Full Show Podcast: 26 June 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 26th of June 2025 - should we be doing more to be self-sufficient as a nation for all sorts of reasons, including the threat of war and a nuclear winter?

Then referee abuse - what's behind the rise in antisocial behaviour on the sidelines?

And then our Afternoons duo finally got to a subject they'd been wanting to talk about hoarding, with some great calls about hoarders.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (00:19):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Are you great new Zellers And welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show Podcast number one five three for Thursday,
the twenty sixth of June twenty twenty five. What a
fantastic show it was today, terrifying Graham chat about nuclear war. Yeah,
but a surprising amount of people don't think that there
is a high risk of it, and that kind of
maybe that's a naive of them, I think so, but

(00:41):
the fact, but I'm willing to hang my hat on
that and say, sure, maybe they won't be. Yeah, but
if there is one in the Northern Hemisphere, by all accounts,
not great for.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
US, no, but better than other countries. But soon. Yeah,
it's a year apart from the apart from the fact.
And you mentioned this during the era, and I'm not
going to give much away, but there was an element
you mentioned there that there's not too much we can
do do about if a nuclear war happens, We're in
for hell of a time.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, And I'm annoyed because the last chat of the
show was on hoarders, and there was so many good calls.
We could have done that for a lot longer. Maybe
we bring hoarders back at some point as a chat
because it's a serious issue, and you know, a lot
of people wanted to share their stories of members of
their family that are suffering from hoarding, both the hoarders

(01:30):
and the family members of the hoarders, and of course
ref abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, that was a great chat, A lot of good
stories there.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I don't know why. I like people, wait five seconds,
we'll tell them what we're going to talk about. Well,
what we need to remember to do is tell people
what we didn't talk about, what.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Didn't we talk about. I think we put it all
on the line.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
A tease, got a very unpopular text from someone, Yes,
and then I abused the texture and got some abuse
for abusing the texture. So I think that's something to
look forward to if you listen to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, abuse inception right, download, subscribe, give us a review.
All that good stuff. You're just drinking your man shake there.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, it is a bit of man shake. Give the taste.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Keek love you, big stories, the issues, the big trends,
and everything in between Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (02:17):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday's show. Really really
good to have your company as always. Get a mets
yead a Tyler.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Good everyone, thanks for so much for tuning in today. Hey,
you before you were talking about whether you should let
a trade into your house, right, Yeah, well you're away, yes,
and look so many, so many people are tix in
saying God, I'm a trade just about to jump on
a roof. But I personally don't have a problem working
on customer sites when they are not around. I protect

(02:46):
myself by taking before and after photos of the work,
and I let them know when I arrive and leave.
So Tom, there you go. He's running a full target
operation on himself to make sure you kin't accuse him.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, you can trust that trading term, that's for sure. Yeah,
a lot of people going back to target. It ruins
the trust of trades as a.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
PARTI it's better when you're not there. The job takes
longer when you want to talk to us or look
over our shoulder and see what we're doing. Yeah, it
was just one person, one person on target, and let's
admit you needed to do a target on target because
they were doing really weird things to catch people.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Out when they they certainly were.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I talked to someone who was done for they made
a slight altercation on a water heater that turned that
no one would never happen and no one would ever
see in the Slammers person, it.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Was a messive honey trap sometimes as well, let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Wow, yeah, I mean obviously you don't want people sniffing
your your undergarments.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
No, no, absolutely, we all remember that, fella and don't
don't don't do that as a tradio. I think we
all know that.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I mean, you can sniff mine if you want, tradies,
I mean, if the job gets done and the toilet
gets fixed, and to get that done and get you
through the door and out an expedient time, then I
say you go. You're welcome to my boxer shorts.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's a hell of an offer. But before we go
on to our menu, was there something that you wanted
to to raise about what was going on in your household?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Look, no, no, I won't bother with that.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay, well that one we'll hold on to that one.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
No, I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
No, No, that's a hell of a tease.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
All ready to share everything in my life. Okay, well
that was just for you, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We'll consider that one and maybe come back to it,
or maybe not to today's show. What a tease? After
three o'clock nineteen complaints were made in one year about
a home surrounded by hoarded goods before it caught fire
at the at the weekend. So neighbors to this particular home,
they say they've been hounding the council for years about
this particular hoarder, saying it was an accident waiting to happen.

(04:36):
But we want to take it wider than that. We
want to talk to you. If you're a hoard yourself.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Why, yeah, that's right. Do you know a hoarder? Are
you a hoarder? Were you a hoarder? And if so,
how did you stop or if you knew a hoarder
and they've stopped, how did you stop them? Because it
seems it's very very hard hoarders become almost that they
become emotionally connected to the objects, and you know, we've
watched those hoarder shows and it's just very hard. You
can have the whole family working, working to try and

(05:03):
help these people, and they just can't remove those newspapers.
They care about them. I think they of five things warders.
But I'd like to hear from hoarders and get your
emotional state and why you keep things when it's making
your life and your family's life so difficult. I mean,
you know, what damage have you seen from hoarder personalities
and for them personally and for their families. It does,

(05:26):
it can, It can be a terrible, terrible, unhealthy, stressful,
horrible thing. Hoarding absolutely yeah, and shameful. People get shamed
that it becomes shameful. And you know, if you've got
holding parents in a house, then the kids don't want
to bring their friends around. You know, people don't get
invited around because they're embarrassed about the state of the house.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
There's a lot of layers to this. If you're a
hoarder or you've got a hoarder and your family love
to hear from you. After three o'clock. After two o'clock
hoar to Fennel a company. Rugby Union chief executive Corey
can It says he is drawing a line in the
sand by cannon All, Rugby matches this weekend after referee
was so seriously abused he had to be escorted to
his car over safety fairs. This particular rugby club has

(06:07):
been making a lot of always about referee abuse over
the past couple of months and this is the line
they've said, it's gone too far and this particular incident
was very serious and no more rugby this weekend because
of that.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, so have you seen ref abuses? They are more
refurbuse than they used to be. Do parents need to
step up and look if there's a reverse ref abuse?
Should this just be the standard that you know? It's
a blanket punishment. So is that the only way to
stop it? All the rugby stops and following weekend is
that what needs to.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Happen sends a message, that's for sure. That is after
two o'clock. But keen on your stories and what you
see on the sidelines of rugby fields and sport fields
across the country after two o'clock. But right now, let's
have a look at this report. So it looked at
how New Zealand would be impacted by five hundred nuclear
bombs being detonated in the Northern Hemisphere in twenty twenty five.
As you can imagine, the findings were pretty terrifying, so

(07:01):
there would be deaths, illnesses, issues with fuel, and many
other things. There are recommendations in the report about what
we can do to strengthen our resilience in a world
that does feel more predictable right now. But the question
we want to put to you right now was, if
you do think that that scenario is a real possibility,
do we need to be more to be do more

(07:21):
to be self sufficient in New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So do you think that nuclear conflict is likely? Does
our government think that it's likely a nuclear conflict? If so,
should New Zealand, as you say, Tyler, be doing more
to prepare for one? Are we prepared at all? We
import so much? You know, what do you think of
the main risks for New Zealand? What do you think
that we should stockpile or sort out or strengthen to

(07:45):
face a Northern hemisphere nuclear apocalypse? Yeah, the want of
a better world that's unlikely to be missiles focused towards
US or targeting US. I don't think anyone would bother.
But that's not where the pain stops. And look, you
know people that grew up in the eighties and nineties
sort have seen those shows like The Day After Tomorrow, Yes,

(08:08):
red Cheepers and you know the talks of nuclear winters.
But is it a real possibility they have that doom
to stay clock that keeps moving closer and closer to midnight,
but they can't get in any closer. Really, they've sort
of got a ride from there and back by being
just sticking so close to midnight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Really keen to
get your thoughts on this. There's clear, it's clear we've
got some advantages here in New Zealand. But what should
we be looking at and making ourselves more resilient going forward?
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean there's plenty there.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Or do you think it's just hype and that that
we're less like a nuclear a nuclear conflict is just
not very likely at all and it's just news organizations
trying to scare you into clicking on their stories.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do you
think this is a possibility? Are you doing anything in
your life to make yourselves more resilient? And what you
want to do? Anything? And your life to make yourself
more resilient, and should our government and us where and
what areas should we be looking at to make ourselves
more resilient? Really keen to get your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
There will be a full nuclear strike on the z
BE studio if you keep saying anythink instead of anything.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
The text machines just lit up, absolutely furious again, So apologies,
but it's going to keep happening in forty past one.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks, it'd.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Be sixteen past one. So we're talking about a report
that looked at how New Zealand would be impacted by
five hundred nuclear bombs being denonated in the Northern Hemisphere
in twenty twenty five. As you can imagine, the findings
pretty grim, but there are recommendations in the report about
what we can do to strengthen our resilience in a
world that does feel more unpredictable right now. So the

(09:55):
questions we've got for you as do you think it
is a real possibility, and if yes, what do we
need to do to be more self sufficient? And what
are our main risks in your eyes? Our eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call now, I
just want to pull the text up. Where is it, Jake?
And now Tyler has to learn to say the word nuclear.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
That is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm not saying nuclear. I'm saying new clear nuclear. It's
like it's not a relation of drat killer.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
No, I am not saying nuclear.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
They always come through, I reckon, these are your family
members and your mates who are texting this through now,
just to give me a hard time.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Not setting my family new clear, new clear.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
But we're getting some great tics coming through this. One
says guys. If there was a nuclear war in the
northern hemisphere, New Zealand should just turn off the lights
and pretend we all left defeat.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Defeata Throb, Well, that's one of the things to worry about,
and that you know, you may survive the nuclear war.
Maybe we stop pile enough, Maybe we work out a
way to run our you know, our energy supplies through
hydro it no, it doesn't sound very likely. Maybe we
could keep our agriculture going. But then what do we
do about the cruise ships full of refugees that turn up,

(11:10):
or you know, refugees from from different militaries just turning up.
You know, could we even defend ourselves? Say, if someone's
country has been completely smashed up by nuclear weapons and
they happen to be out at sea.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Ye hey, hey, ellen's a good spot.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Should should we all go to New Zealand and start again?
And then a very good point? And you get a
couple of different navies turning up on our shores, and
what do we do about that?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
One hundred percent? Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is
the number to call James. You're skeptical that in nuclear
war would ever happen?

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yes, I am, Yes, I think that nuclear bombs have
always been as deterrent and I think, ye know, they'll
stay that way. The responsibility of the person who who

(12:02):
is tasked with pushing the button is just too huge.
I can't think anyone other than a complete madman would
seriously consider it.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
What about I mean, but that's the thing. There could
be a complete mad person. What about people with extreme
religious beliefs, extreme religious doctrine, doctrines that believe that, say,
for example, for a profit to appear, I'm just making
this up, just spitballing you need to annihilate another country.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
Yeah, okay, fair enough if he was the sole person responsible.
But surely these leaders, regardless of who they are, have
other people around them who they consult with and who
advise them. So that means that all of those people
who around them are also complete madmen.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
So Russia has made veiled nuclear threats during the Ukraine War.
Do you think that that is just rattling sabers? You
don't think there's that they would ever? They would ever
if push came to the shove, you know, new parts
of Europe.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
No, I don't think so. I think Putin is a
lot smarter than anyone gives them credit for.

Speaker 8 (13:25):
And yeah, he he would he.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
I think he probably loves Russia too much to do that,
because he would just unleash, you know, the inferno on
his own country by doing that.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So, putting your skepticism of that scenario aside, James, you
clearly must recognize that while we have in our advantages
in an unpredictable world where we fall down short on
some areas, is there you know something that we do
in New Zealand that we should be stockpiling or doing
better to protect ourselves in the event of of a
scenario like this.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
No, I think the opposite. I think we spend too
much money on defense as it is, and Judith Collins
saying that we need to go up to two percent
into our GDP is just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
So you think what percentage chants do you think? Do
you think there's absolutely no chance of a nuclear conflict
like has been described here with five hundred nuclear bombs
and a hypothetical twenty twenty five situation, you think you get.

Speaker 7 (14:25):
The five hundred numbers from by the way, that's just bizarre.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Well, no, that's just that's this is this is the
example from the study. So so it's just an example, right.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, it's a scenario.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's Anario scenario that they've come up with. So yeah,
whatever it is. So and the and then they're from
five hundred nuclear bombs have worked out the effects on
on on New Zealand. So I guess they have to
have a number and they've got their calculation. But it's
it's a it's a higher than zero percented chants, would
you agree, James?

Speaker 7 (14:55):
For New Zealand you mean or for Hesphere?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, this is a this is an example of five
hundred nuclear bombs in a northern hemisphere conflict, so you
know nothing, and the and the effect would have on
New Zealand in terms of our isolation in the world.

Speaker 7 (15:11):
Historically, if you look at World War Two and then
nuclear bombs there, it stopped it too, didn't it. Obviously
there's a whole lot more now worldwide. But I think
when people see the effect of a nuclear a nuclear bomb,
especially the ones I have now, which would like x

(15:33):
to the power of one hundred times stronger than that
to be in World War Two, when people see the
effect that has of of that happening, you know that.
I think that that the chances of any more than
maybe one one way and one the other way, that'd

(15:53):
be about it.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, what about you know, mistakes, miscalculations, you know, accidents.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, well you can never discount that.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean, I mean that there's a there's a
chance that you just have an absolutely insane person who
doesn't know what's going on, that's working in a bunker,
fires one off, you know, before anyone can say that
that was just a mistake and apologize and then everything's
gone off. I mean, that seems like a possibility James.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
There have to be safeguards in place. I mean, you know,
you have the what is it two levels of authentication
these days for just being able to get in your
own bank account. Now, I think they'd probably have a
few more levels than that for the finger on the
red button.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I think if you call James, yeah, I mean I
find it comforting. I mean I wish I could live
in a world that James lives and where you don't
think that's a serious concern.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
I don't live in that world. I live in the
world where I look at what's happening between India and Pakistan,
and you've got two nuclear powers that are right beside
each other, that hate each other. You've got the China
Taiwan situation, you know, the whole NATO, the Russias situation
before you get into Iran in Israel.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, it's a very very unpredictable world. And I envy
james skepticism. But when you talk about these black Swan events,
that the unpredictable events that carry significant impact, that feels
like that's the world we're in at the moment, that
you don't know who could get a hold of some
of these weapons. Sometimes what we've seen in Iran at

(17:33):
the moment, and that idea that it might not be
who you think it is that sets off these chain
of events. That's the Black Swan event. And to you know,
to prepare for something like that me is.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Not a silly idea, Yeah, exactly, because we need to
prepare for potential catastrophes.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Earthquakes seem to happen in New Zealand quite a lot,
so it makes sense to prepare for them. So I
guess it's a you're deciding what percentage of resources to
what likelihood of this catastrophe fee happening, and what actually
effects and damages that would do to New Zealand if
it did. You've got asteroids that can potentially hit the Earth,
you know, yep, that's something, but we think that's less likely,

(18:11):
so maybe we don't. Would I would personally think that
a five hundred bomb Northern Hemisphere nuclear conflict is more
likely than us getting hit by an astroid.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I would agree with that. Yeah, oh on one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Love to get your thoughts though, what,
if anything, should we be doing better to make ourselves
more resilient in the event of one of these scenarios.
It is twenty five past.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
One, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic
asking breakfast, So.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Here we go again.

Speaker 9 (18:40):
The Finance Minister's written smalling another letter to the supermarket's
food stuffs has played guilty as I'm sure you're aware
of a couple of breaches of an accurate pricing wilverthsus
facing apparently similar charges Nicola Willis as.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Well as are you the Finance minister who cried wolf.

Speaker 10 (18:53):
No, I have the same basic expectation that every key
shopper has, which is some pretty basic things you have
to do under the law as a retailer. One is
make sure that the prices that you say on the
shelf are the prices that pay at the till. And
the fact that they are pleading guilty are not meeting
there's pricing obligations. To me, just isn't good enough and
I shouldn't have to point it out.

Speaker 9 (19:13):
Make back Monday from six am, the mic asking breakfast
with a Vida News talk za'd be.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Very good afternoon. So we're talking about a report that
looked into what would happen to New Zealand in the
event of five hundred nuclear bombs being detonated in the
northern hemisphere, so it painted a pretty grim picture. As
you can imagine. It was expected to cost the country
around one trillion dollars. There were many recommendations in this
report about what we can or could do to strengthen
our resilience in a world that does feel a lot

(19:41):
more unpredictable these days. But what are the main risks
for New Zealand in your eyes? Oh one hundred and
eighteen eighty duncan, welcome to show your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (19:50):
With five hundred bombs going off, how far south will
the electromagnetic pulse reach?

Speaker 7 (19:56):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, miss.

Speaker 11 (19:58):
This country is based on electronics Cviillian Great electronics are
particularly vulnerable to electromagnetic pulse. And once people and get food,
well want the machinery to bring the food.

Speaker 12 (20:11):
To the people's.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Failed.

Speaker 11 (20:15):
We're going to have mass starvation. We're going to lose
our water, We're going to lose our sewerage. Everything we
take for granted gone zero. Notice there's another thing. If
anyone's curious about electromagnetic pulse pulses and their effects, have
we looked at an author called force Chin. He's got

(20:37):
a book One second after one month later and one
year later.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
You can you can just before, just before we go on,
can you explain what you mean by the electromagnetic pulse.

Speaker 11 (20:50):
The electro magnetic pulse fries electronics and kill them dead.
So anything that's got an electronic controller in it, which
is practically everything these days.

Speaker 10 (21:01):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Is that why when you see in those you know,
and war movies, not you know, nuclear apocalyptic movies, people
jump in their car. In their car just won't go.

Speaker 11 (21:10):
Yes, if you have a pacemaker and electromagnetic pulse hits
you drop dead. Your pacemaker regulates the electrical impulses in
your heart and your natural one has failed, so they
add an electronic one. The electronics are fried by the
electromagnetic pulse.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
Bang, you're dead.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
Your hearing aids same thing, so does.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
That electric pulse. You know, so you've got five hundred
bombs they go off, they're all firing off. This electromagnetic pulse.
Does that rock through and might blow out a few things.
But then after it's gone through, can you you know,
if you can you fix your your your whatever electronics
you need to and get them back online.

Speaker 11 (21:54):
No, if the electronics are alive when the electromagnetic pulse hits.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
It's dead.

Speaker 13 (21:59):
That's it.

Speaker 11 (21:59):
You've got to replace it and as then sort of
recycle it, bury it, whatever. But it's no good to
you after it's been fried.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
So how do you protect against that, Duncan? What do
you do to build resilience in that sort of network?

Speaker 11 (22:16):
I'm not sure about. I've only a reason to discover that.
So I'm still beginning to look at things.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well, I'll just reach out what they said in the
report on digital communications, So they said nearly all of
New Zealand's digital communications and transferring of data goes via
submarine fiber optic cables, and if these are severed, some
of the services they provide, like internet connectivity and cloud
computing services, a lot of that is controlled in the
US and therefore potentially more at risk. And they also

(22:42):
mentioned to your point, satellite networks might be harmed by
electromagnetic pulses, which would impact GPS and Internet services. So yeah,
that is a bit of a worry.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
Next thing, if anybody goes out there and prepares this
guy force Chen made the point papers will think in
terms of weeks of a month. How many have asked
the question what happens next?

Speaker 14 (23:05):
Year.

Speaker 11 (23:06):
What happens in five years? Just about guarantee anybody who's
got a generator set to ensure they've got their own power,
there's enough fuel for a month, and have they got
a fuel for next year or the year after. I
don't think many people do.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean, and I mean absolutely. And you know,
you talk about electronics, what about fuel? We import all
our fuel, We import all our aviation fuel, our diesel,
our petrol. So your electronics are down, and then you
pretty quickly won't run out of the very things you
need to keep food production going. So you know, how

(23:44):
much food have you stored will better be enough to
last all the nuclear window goes away, because pretty soon
we're not going to be able to, you know, bring
even fertilizer into the country. Duncan excuse me.

Speaker 11 (23:56):
Next point is especially had what you just said is this,
every classic vehicle pre electronic suddenly becomes worth killing people
over all. Right, You're going to have a load of
trouble going on there as theeves try to get the
few remaining classic working vehicles and steal them for their uses,

(24:17):
or your people would be playing desperate and then then
they'll steal the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well that's the thing, society, civil order breaking down where
it's got to be a major thing because you go
back to the digital thoat of things as well, dunking
visa master card. That sounds pretty tried, but visa MasterCard,
all that stuff goes down.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
Well you I had a warning of it when Gabriel
hit Grisbane.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, and same after the youthquakes in christ You know
when all those systems went down and cash was king
and nobody had any cash. How quickly things started to
go a bit sideways and trying to get food, trying
to get goods. Yeah, happens very very quickly.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
Yeah, because just there there won't be enough classic vehicles
around to get the food. Even if you're resurrected every
old truck next star truck, there's not enough practice to
who actually plant the food and harvest it.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, but beach beach holiday houses will be ransacked for
their cool old tractors exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Duncan, thank you very much. You've done a very deep
dive into that, but really keen to get your thoughts on, oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty what parts of New
Zealand society are vulnerable that need to be strengthened in
the event of one of these unpredictable international events are
like the one this report has proposed.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
The sex says, stop it. This is scare mongering and
crazy speculative assumptions. Yeah, but you have to look at risks.
That's what you have to do as a country and
a people, and go We're asking two questions. One, do
you think it's likely? Secondly, if you think it's likely,
what will be the effects on our country? And thirdly,
if you think it's likely, and you've listed the effects

(25:59):
that will have on our country, then should we be preparing?
Exactly nicely said, and I think it's a problem to
ask the question. I think it's probably a pretty good
question to be asking.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Bang on Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
a number to call up to you your thoughts on this.
Twenty five to two.

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Speaker 2 (27:31):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we're talking about this
report at paints a scenario or what would happen to
New Zealand in the event of five hundred nuclear bombs
being detonated in the northern hemisphere this year, and the
findings are pretty grim. A lot of recommendations in the
report about what we can or could do to strengthen
our resilience. But what do you think, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty, it looks.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Like an emp that we were talking about for might
not blast us too badly down here at twenty five
miles up. This analysis says the area of the Earth
service within the line of sight of the blast, and
I guess this depends on the strength of bas An
E one pulse would have a radius about four hundred
and forty miles. So, you know, this is five hundred nukes.

(28:14):
Always feels so grim to say yukes. It seems so flippant,
pretty depressing idea. But five hundred nukes going off then,
and even if they're you know, high altitude, then that
might not affect New Zealand. Yeah, I mean a long
way await, it will affect us and that all the
electronics that we connect with overseas will be knocked out. Yeah,

(28:35):
so it would be pretty hard to go on Amazon
and use your credit card.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
H it certainly would do. Yeah, there's a great text
here after good afternoon, guys. I was born in nineteen
forty two, so I have lived under the threat of
nuclear disaster most of my life. Is nuclear winter still
a thing. I've just simply given up stressing about it.
If it happens, it happens. Our visitors coming, so brought
a pack of toilet rolls.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Just to make sure.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Does that count?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
From Jenny, it sounds like that great movie, one of
the grass movies ever made, Doctor Strangelove, or How I
Learned to Stop worrying and love the bomb situation. Well,
they are saying that the nuclear winter here in the
studio would be a various thing. Said the temperatures were
dropped by four degrees and trigger and nuclear winter. So
this is interesting. So you know this is going to

(29:17):
sound pretty I don't know how Look I felt okay
with this. For New Zealand, twenty two thousand dead on,
one hundred and ninety five thousand injured or sick, twenty
five billion in asset losses, thirty one percent of land
ecosystems damage, two hundred and forty billion hit to a
GDP that's with five hundred five hundred bomb nuclear conflict

(29:39):
in the northern Hemisphere. Yeah, I'll take twenty two thousand dead.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, it's bad, but we can maybe recover from that
that a five million, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Mean it means that. I mean I think it might
get worse over time, as our food infrastructure collapses and
society disintegrates, and we all turn on each other and
rusty boats from around the world of armed mutants turn up,
or the entire the entire navies of major companies go. Oh,
our country is not in a good shape. Let's go
down to New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, why that might

(30:09):
change things. I don't think I'm lasting to that point.
I'm long gone before that happens. Oh eight one hundred
the six is, Yes, EMP kills you your fuel injected car,
My old landrove will be fine. I'll have lots of
free gas to siphon out of your abandoned recks. Don't
need internet, reload my own AMMO live way up in
the hills, firewood to keep warm, and coock on horse
for transport. May issue was thousands of you city people

(30:30):
desperate and invading my space to steal and kill me
for my stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
This is it's yeah, well good Text. Tho O eight
one hundred eighty to eighty is the number to call.
We've got full lines. If you can't get through, keep trying.
It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I got to say, you know, good for you, Warret, Yeah,
good for you, Wret.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm coming to your place.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. It is a
quarter to two and we're talking about a report that
was presented recently that shows what would happen in the
event of five hundred nuclear weapons detonated in the Northern
Hemisphere and what we need to do here in New
Zealand to strengthen our resilience.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
This Texas Theirs Again. A lot of people are saying
this Fowlers, stop this alarmist rubbish. This will never happen. Well,
the New Zealand Catastrophe Resilience Project in their study they
think it's it is a possibility, and they've done a
lot more research into it than you have, dear Text,
or we have, and they say that we should start
preparing because look, a fuel crisis because all our petrol,

(31:31):
diesel and jet fuel are imported. So if there's a
huge nuclear war over seas, then what are we going
to do about that? You know, renewable electricity output would
fall as sunlight and wind and rainfall decline. Road, rail,
sea and air transport would be crippled by fuel and
parts shortages. Coastal shipping fleets would fail. Food production could
fall by sixty one percent in New Zealand, yet inputs

(31:54):
such a seed, fertilizer and diesel are imported, risking shortages.
There's the submarine cables and satellite connection that we that
we that we operate with the rest of the world.
I think it's worth talking about, even if it's a
one percent charts.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah, But the idea that we somehow buriate heids in
the sanders, that's never going to happen and we don't
need to do anything about it. Clearly, these are authors
who are highly esteemed academics and they've spent their careers
working on this stuff. In their report, they recommended a
recommended recommendation was for the government to prioritize the development
of the strategy to prepare for these global catastrophes, and.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I pushed back on the accusation that we're fear mongering
or exaggerating. I mean, look at this text here from
Nico kill all the dogs after a nuclear war. You
don't want zombie dogs, ravaging babies and cats. Wow. Yeah,
So I pushed back on the accusations that there's any
ever do that, Shane, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
Hi.

Speaker 16 (32:52):
Now, I read a really interesting book written by someone
hype in the American government about three or four months ago,
called nuclear war a scenario, and they basically say it
the most likely would be it starts in North Korea
because North Korea absolutely hates America, and so in this

(33:12):
particular scenario, they send over a couple of ICBMs, which
only take twenty minutes to get to the States. Now,
the States have a policy of so.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
What was that was that intercontinental ballistic missiles?

Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go sow.

Speaker 16 (33:28):
The States have very little power to shoot them down.
But it also said that America has a launch on
warning scenario where because the times are so short, you
have to launch your nukes now to get back to
North Korea, those nukes have to fly over over Russia.

(33:50):
And their radar systems are as sophisticated, and they get confused,
and then they launch an attack on the United States.
But there's which basically means total world distruction. But if
there's already evidence that the North Koreans have got a

(34:11):
satellite in space which is maneuverable that could launch an
EMP three hundred miles above North America, which would wipe
out their entire electricity grid, which would reduce America's population
by ninety percent within one month. Because there's five hundred
million guns and three hundred million people and they basically

(34:33):
are now fighting over scarce resources and killing each other.
Plus the fact that you don't have without the technology,
you've got no food or water or anything else. So
it just becomes an apocalypse social unrest, and so that
would affect the entire world.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, what do you think that effect would be on
New Zealand? Do you think we could isolate ourselves become
self sufficient?

Speaker 7 (35:00):
You know?

Speaker 16 (35:00):
And well, I already am like I'm off Gred. I've
been off Gred for twenty five years. I've got generator,
I've got We've got enough animals in the in the
planet or in New Zealand for us to survive food wise,
easy to get water. We could have vegetables and grara

(35:22):
own stuff. But there could be a nuclear winter, which
will basically make everything die because all the all the
plants die, then the animals starve, and then we've got
nothing to eat. So it's a we just have to
hope this never happens. But when you get lunatics like

(35:42):
the leader of North Korea, I won't mention any names.
They they're very unstable.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, Or I would argue religious fanatics that are in
charge of countries such as Iran.

Speaker 16 (35:56):
Well that's true because if you're a martyr, if you
die in the you know, during the war, well then
you get rewarded exactly.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
And it sounds like you've got some pretty you know,
you've got a decent situation where you are. So could
you just send me your GPS coordinates and I'll see
I think, if things go down, I'll see you. I'll
come up. I'll get some groceries and come and see you.

Speaker 16 (36:22):
Yeah, you're invited, but but i'll eve them saying you
my PIN number, because it won't be any use.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
It'll be a real pain in the r show. I'm
telling you, you don't know what you've done here.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Thank you you call shame.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
It is nine to two back very shortly with more
of your calls. But one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to get your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, I mean this is you know, an important question
that we need to ask in New Zealand because of
our importing all our fuel situation, you know, and we
have to import process full now because we don't even
have the oil refinery anymore, but so we have to
have our fuel. So is this this Texas says asking
what his generator runs on, because that's you know, And
how many poster of Boclet movies does the main resource

(37:03):
everyone's finding for become oil?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, it's a massive weakness of New Zealand, that's for sure.
Nine to two.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons
news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
B news Dogs. There'd b six to two Andrew, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (37:23):
I'm very well.

Speaker 7 (37:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 17 (37:24):
I'll add to this cheery conversation, don't mind.

Speaker 7 (37:27):
Thank you inspired me to go out and buy.

Speaker 17 (37:29):
Some analog bicycles and because my late model, my late
late model Sabari might become a chicken coop.

Speaker 15 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (37:36):
But anyway, Hey, talking about close calls, the Cuban missile
crisis of nineteen sixty two was the world's closest call
during the Cold War, and you guys might know something
about that, but it's the story of the submarine that
got me was the fact that a one of the
officers on the submarine, Acupov, refused to launch their weapons
when they when they thought that the submarine was under

(37:59):
attack because the Americans were busy dropping depth charges on
it and they assumed that they that World War II
had broken out. So the officer, Akipov was his name,
refused to tune the key because the top three of them,
thank goodness, to watch the nuclear weapons. And he's was
credited as the man that saved the world during the
Cuban Missile crisis. So that's how close it can come.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, And that's the black Swan event that I was
talking about a little bit earlier, that those are the
unpredictable events that carry significant impact that right now might
be hard to predict. But that's the whole point on
that one event I.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Find it's so odd that so many people are texting
through and saying there's absolutely no chance of it happening.
We've got very very close before, and so all the
authors of the study are really saying is well, they're
asking for a Parliamentary Commissioner for Extreme Risks to look
into it, and maybe we do a little bit of
work and prep of how we might react under this
kind of situation, because you know, for me, one of

(38:57):
the big things is just all the boats that would
turn up from navies whose countries had gone down. I
don't even know if we could protect ourselves from a
cruise ship that was how it's I don't think so.

Speaker 17 (39:07):
I think I think the amount of refugees that all
rock up here will just completely overwhelm it. Well must
and swamp us. Yeah, and that's a scary. That's scary.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yep, certainly is. Andrew will let you say your sabara
and go buy some analog pikes. Thank you very much
for giving us a call. Plenty of texts coming through
on nine two nine two, but ken to have a
chat with you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call, News, sport and weather. Is
on its way. Really great to get your I have
your company this afternoon. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.
Very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Talking with you all afternoon it's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons US Talks.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
They'd be good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the
show now, this is going to be a great discussion.
Orda Fenawa Company Rugby Union chief executive Corey Kennedy says
he's drawing the line in the sand by cannon or
rugby matches this weekend after referee was so seriously abused
he had to be escorted to his car over safety fears.
We're going to play a little bit of what he

(40:11):
said to Darcy water Grave last night very shortly. But
that's what we want to have a chat about, is
abuse against referees up and down the country. It's got
so bad in this part of the country and for
this rugby club that they've said no to any rugby
this weekend. And they've been banging on about this for
the last couple of months. It has been quite significant
in Houta Fenawa.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Is there more abuse now, because that's the assumption that
there's more abuse of reefs around the country at the
moment of So why have you seen ref abuse? Do
parents need to step up? As you know, if there
is one parent abusing the ref sure that you know,
the rugby district can you shut things down? You know,
the rugby local rugby union can shut things down. But

(40:53):
are parents stepping up and raining in the people that
are abusing refs?

Speaker 8 (40:57):
You know?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
And look, should that just be the blanket situation? If
there is serious abuse and a referee who's volunteering their
time has to be led to a car or I'm
not sure what the threshold should be. Any kind of
threatening behavior might be the threshold. Then that just means
all the rugby union in that area just shuts down

(41:21):
all rugby for the next weekend. So it's just a
blanket sort of for a want of a better word.
Considering the last hours chat, it's the nuclear solution. Yeah, yeah,
you shut it all down and then and then there's
a huge surely social cost or for anyone that behaves
like that, because you are responsible for the whole next week,

(41:42):
every game, every junior rugby game, every game of every
level being shut down the next week.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
But at this point I can't see any other option
then to having that sort of option, you know the
scenario where the reff has to make that call, and
that's tough for the ref to say. The abuse has
got so bad, I'm blind my whistle and the game
is all over. But what do you say, Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, here's a little bit about
what a finnerwork company. Rugby Union chief executive Corey Kennet
said to Darcy Watergrave last night.

Speaker 18 (42:06):
The abuse was from multi poor layers. We're talking about
people that are at games, spectators, players, team team management,
to the point that at the end of the game,
the referee, the end of the good individuals, good public individuals.

(42:27):
We're so concerned about the referee safety that he was
escorted to his car. This is a nationwide epidemic and
what we've had since we made our statement is is
innumerable amount of calls telling us, hey, this is happening
in our space, This is happening, that is happening. Some
people that go to the games have just lost their

(42:49):
their their standards, their respect, their you know, just their
humanity to what these people are trying to do, these individuals,
to these volunteers. The time they've given up, you know,
their service, just genuine service.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
So is he right? He says this is a nationwide problem.
They've been having a particular problem in in a word,
but many people who have been down to sports games
at all levels would have seen the abuse on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Who doesn't know that that's not something you can do.
Everyone knows that you're an absolute piece of crap if
you behave like that, absolute piece of crap. I mean,
what are there just a bunch of messed up people
turning up that are forgetting where they are, You're drunk,
you're on p What is it? Because surely every parent

(43:35):
and every coach knows that that for sport in New
Zealand to continue at the lower levels, grassroots levels, it
needs refs that volunteer to do it.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Where do you draw the line though, because there'd be
a lot of people on the sideline's parents, passionate pearance
and they might scream out, oh, come on, ref and
whether you're don't see that as abuse or not, but
then it starts to escalate, right and as you say,
the people on the sidelines who may be having a
few beers. I've certainly seen that down it's sports fields
where they do have a few beers and they get
in a bit rowdy, and that's when you starts to

(44:06):
rack up.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Nothing wrong with heavy a few beers, what you watch
the game. I'm not against that as long as you
don't then go crazy. But you know, anacdontally I've heard
there is there has been a few. There's some meth
issues going around in some of the more rural areas
when it comes to this kind of thing, or just
to throw the other side of this out, have people
just got too precious? And if it doesn't get physical,
does it really matter? Is it just words? And who cares?

(44:30):
As long as you know, as long as as long
as you know. Is there a line where it's okay
to yell your opinion at the reef if you think
that they're wrong or is it just no you just
accept what the ref says you You just you don't
even give any feedback, you know? Is that the line?
Or is the line a bit of yelling but no intimidation?

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah? Really keen on your views on oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. What are you seeing down outside the
sports fields when it comes to yelling at the reef
and where is the line between giving some what might
be considered somewhat polite feedback versus no noise at all. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten is the number to call.
It is twelve past two.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It is a quarter past two, and we're talking about abuse,
abuse directed towards referees on the sports fields. Quarterfenewa company
rugby union, has decided to can all rugby matches this
weekend after a referee was so seriously abused they say
he had to be escorted to his car over safety fare.
So keen to get your experiences on the football fields.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I just said to Tyler in the break. It's interesting
because of cross most of society, people seem to be
getting more and more polite and more easily offended. Like
I couldn't just scream and abuse you, Tyler if you
did something wrong that I disagreed without that you going
to HR. Yeah. So in one area of the world,
the office and on site, people seem to be becoming

(46:07):
more chill. Yes, but it would appear that on the
sidelines of rugby and league games. People are getting more
and more agros. It's interesting the six is fellow hasn't
fellows hasn't p used increased significantly in the last year.
That might alone explain increased verbal abuse.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, good point, Matts. How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 13 (46:26):
Yeah, good mate, not too bad. So firstly, I've sort
of refereed all grades except for Super Rugby upwards and
done it for a number of years now, and I
accept the level of magoosa. I would accept is basically
if they oh, come on, rare, if that's a sort

(46:46):
of stuff that was where's it's holding lines that sort
of stuff. But it's once it gets personal or starts
to get threatening as we draw the line. And I've
noticed in the last three or four years that's where
it's sort of going to now. But last year I
had one that was extremely bad where if I ordered
to try the team that got scored against two has

(47:08):
come over threatening to kill me, trying to charge me,
and they were getting tackled by their own teammates, and
their wives came on trying to stop them and trying
to get to me. And there's a couple of people
on the sideline there got my fatality. They're going to
put it on Facebook and they'll get me eventually, and

(47:29):
so I called the game off. I got esquartered off
the field and as I didn't even really get changed
to hop from my motorbike and we began, they pushed
me off my motorbike and try to follow me on
the road. So it went to judiciary and the union
involved didn't even turn up at the judiciary to support me.

(47:53):
And the guy had he had been carried pretty much
every year, got red card for violence and punching and
stuff like that. He got three weeks for that. So
as a consequence, I had no longer referee and pretty
much don't even follow rugby. Exit for my own boy,
I'll go and watch this game, but other than never,

(48:14):
don't even watch rugby.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Now that must feel That would make me extremely angry, Matt,
because you're doing something because you love the game. You're
giving back to the community, You're putting yourself out there.
You don't need to be there, You're putting yourself out there,
and that's the way you get treated, even if the
decision is wrong. You know you're doing your very best.

(48:38):
It seems absolutely insane that was only three week ban.

Speaker 13 (48:42):
And the worst thing was it was caught on camera,
the whole because someone videod the whole game, so the
whole thing was caught on camera and sent to the union.
And yes, and abuse didn't just stop there, even in
the even in the judicial hearing. I was copying them
there from from the player and his club captain.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
What a mum.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
And all that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
What an absolute loser that player is, What an absolute loser?
That just makes that makes me angry. What what level
was this at, Matt? This was senior level, senior level.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
The wrong person left the game of rugby, Matt, We're
going to say, and we can all see that. But
the fact that the local association didn't turn up so
effectively is that part of the problem that sometimes these
associations are protecting these players when they've been absolute dirt baggs.

Speaker 13 (49:40):
Yes, I think so. And that was the threat. Thereat
threat was one thing, but not getting a support from
my union and my fears was the worst part of it,
and which has made made my decision to quit. That
was the worst, the worst part of it. And because

(50:01):
at the start of the year they said they're going
to stemp down on sideline abuse and get rid of it.
And then that happened, and it was like it wasn't
the first occasion during the year that someone had been threatened,
and very similar circumstances are not quite as bad, but
nothing happened there. But yeah, and I do find two

(50:26):
also parents on the sideline at kids games probably amongst
the worst of the abuses towards referees. And I sort
of think we might need to go to where some
side basketball goes is where you're only allowed to clap,
you're not allowed to yell out because the kids are
trying to play a game. And you'll notice that if

(50:49):
the parents start yelling out, the kids start getting out
of control, and then it's harder for the referee there too.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
But you're absolutely rubbish parent. I mean, part of the
reason why your kids are playing sport is to teach
them sportsmanship and teach them how to behave. I mean
that's a big part of it, you know, teamwork and
how you behave in the wild, society, fairness, all those
kind of things. So if you're a parent and you're
taking your kid along and you're acting like a complete
dickhead like that, then you're just a rubbish parent.

Speaker 13 (51:18):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's right, and then taking the wins
with the losses and also taking you know, like, yeah,
from a referees point of view, you're out there, there's
one person out there. If you haven't got as, you're
out there by yourself. You've got thirty players on the field,
and it just takes one person to run in front
of you and you've missed a knock on.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah. And do you think do you think that might
be part of it, Matt, that people watch sport at
home and there's so much video officiating going on, and
we go right down to the minutie that you that
people think that that refs are able to get the
exact answer. Do you think that might be part of
it that people are bringing this this sort of unrealistic
expectation on what a ref can do to the game.

Speaker 19 (52:00):
Yeah, absolutely they do. Here there because they see them
going up to the TV.

Speaker 13 (52:04):
They see the TV official.

Speaker 19 (52:06):
Coming in and saying, no, this foil play behind We're
in a club game. You may have referre as if
you're lucky, but most often you don't and you can't
see what's behind you. And also when they watch it,
on TV too. Now, Unfortunately there's more and more.

Speaker 13 (52:26):
They want the game to flow for.

Speaker 19 (52:28):
TV audience, so there is stuff that is not picked
up purposely so that the game can flow, and they're
not blowing the whistle too often.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Now, Matt as haven't been involved in TV games.

Speaker 13 (52:39):
I know that's a fact because we told that before
we go out there.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Now, Matt as a referee that's left the game because
of this. Do you think that what Hirafenawa Capiti Rugby
Unions has done canceling all matches on June twenty eighth
due to the serious referee abuse? Do you do you
support that? And do you think that that is the
kind of thing that might stamp out this kind of behavior.

Speaker 13 (53:00):
I see what they're doing, but it's sort of you're
punishing the majority for the minority. I would have been
more inclined to think that the two teams involved, or
if it was just one team involved, take them out
of the competition for the season all of their teams.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Thank you so much for your call, Matt and those insights.
It makes my blood boil.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, it does make you anger. Hearing Matt's story and
the fact that he can't even watch rugby anymore because
of how he is treated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you were reffing
sports games? Did you have to leave as well because
of the abuse that you've faced. Really keen to get
your views. And if you're appearing on the sideline and
you see some other idiot pear at screaming abuse, what
do you do?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Or if you're appearing on the sideline and you think
it's a good idea to be screaming abuse at the
reef yep, then I'd be interested to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Come on in I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call twenty three past.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Two Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on News Talk zby.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Twenty six past two, and we're talking about referee abuse.
This is on the back of horror Fenoa carpety rug union.
I've canceled all rugby games this weekend after a referee
was so seriously abused They say he had to be
escorted to his car over safety fears. Really keen to
hear your experiences on the sidelines. What are you seeing
if you have been a referee, is the abuse getting worse?

Speaker 10 (54:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Call Kate, Welcome to the show. You've been a ref
for thirty years?

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Yes, yes, I have referee football women and men's and
I don't believe it's got worse. I think it's always
been there and what horror for ir have done. I
frutly agree with people really really need to know that
you have You've got to have a referee. You've got
to have a referee because if you think it's bad
they're tracking one individual because of decisions, try playing again

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without one exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, do you think that so that's your referee football?
Do you think football fans and players or football parents
and supporters he's better than the rugby or league? No,
you don't know.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
I think they're I think they're all the stay right
because I.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Mean there's I mean there's less of a physical element
to it, though you don't think that. Maybe people, I
know more get up by the fact people are smashing
people on field, that that that creates a more aggressive atmosphere.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
I've got friends who are rugby referees and you know,
talked to them and you know I don't believe so
obviously everybody's experience is different. Yeah, you know my experiences.
You know, I've been threatened. I had a guy help
me down with just you know, a few inches from
my face and I said, I looked up at him

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and I said, you'll never play again.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And what did he say to that?

Speaker 8 (55:59):
Well, I sent him off. I didn't care what he said.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Did he play again? I hope not.

Speaker 12 (56:04):
Well.

Speaker 8 (56:04):
I think he was stayed for a while. He didn't
actual physically hit me. But I told you what. There
have been occasions since football where referee has been struck
and they have been banned for life.

Speaker 16 (56:17):
Whoever did it good?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
But clearly an incident like that, Kate, that is not
okay at any level. And the very fact that that
can happen to someone like you, refereeing, going out of
your way, volunteering for something that you love, and you're
still doing it thirty years later, that to me is
insentive anymore.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
I'm seventy five now I'm not doing it anymore.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Well, yes, yes, sound forty cages, sound very chipper, But
thank you. But you know, just just hearing you speaking
and say, that's just the way it is and take
my head off to you for the what you've given
to your community. But it shouldn't be that's the way
it is.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Yeah, that's it. What does it take does it take
for every sporting code have to shut down for a
whole week so no one can play?

Speaker 7 (57:02):
What?

Speaker 14 (57:03):
You know?

Speaker 8 (57:03):
Would that bring it tone? Would it?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Well?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I agree with what Cordefenawa has done here by canceling
or rugby. Whether that will make a stick a difference,
that's a different question that that abuse may still happen
out in the community. But what else do you do, Kate,
to say this is not acceptable anymore?

Speaker 20 (57:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Do we do you stop games in the middle and
say it's all over? Or do you cancel the whole weekend?

Speaker 8 (57:27):
I've done that. One player spat in my ear, jeez.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And what was the response was that a male or
female player? Kate?

Speaker 8 (57:35):
That was a male player?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
What kind of male player spits in a female referees ear?
I mean, or anyone?

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Did you that?

Speaker 8 (57:45):
That was the indoor and the management stopped the whole
cop everybody and he said to them, you need to
understand that I can get players every day of the week.
I can't get referees.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yeah, but it is with this the way they're doing it,
with the horror Fenua compedy rugby union. It is a
bit like I know this is probably an extreme example,
but you know the pun of in the village because
some rebels have blown up a bridge, you know, you
know in a military situation where you go in and
you just line up everyone against the wall and shoot them.
Because there's this, I mean across this this rugby union.

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There's a whole lot of people have absolutely nothing to
do with it, and you're going, okay, but I'm well behaved.
Why am I getting punished? Because this is absolute loser
at this other game?

Speaker 8 (58:31):
But if you compare rugby referees and football, if you
watch football, the referee is often surrounded by players. They
don't do that in rugby. So I think as a
general rule of thumb, and I know people have played
the game and they say, you just don't speak to
the referee. And football, you know they still surround the

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referee and give them their opinion.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
How many how many times is how many times as
a decision being overturned you run up scream in the
referee space and he goes, oh yeah, okay, it's not
a penalty, we'll reverse it, discuss.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
No no, no, no, that doesn't happen. They just run
away with their head down.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But kay, I suppose that one of
the reasons why I like what Horde Fenawa has done
is because for people that have done no wrong and
they don't get to play footy at the weekend. Now
there hopefully their anger and discuss is directed towards the
people that did this on this particular game, that abuse
the ref to this level. So then as a community,

(59:36):
as a rugby community in that part of the country,
you wre all together as one to say I'm sick
of these numdies who are threatening referees and they've stopped
the whole week in rugby for everybody. So let's actually
as a community come down on these numties.

Speaker 8 (59:51):
But it has to come from the top. It's not gone.
But the community can't do it, it's too fragmented. It
has to come from the top. So what Hurap and
who are doing will bring it home loud and clear.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Yeah, But when you say coming from the top, when
it can so this situation, shouldn't it come from New
Zealand Rugby that there's a break blanket roll across the
entire country. And look what about this? What about I mean,
you know, budgets are stretch, you know, but but does
it need to get to the situation where there's security.
There's security people there to protect the ref. If that's

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the case, then there just won't happen because you're not
paying the ref. Odd when you're not paying the ref
but you're paying the ref security, it would never work.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
Yeah, that's right. But I mean it is a really
sticky situation. And I think, I know, I wish it
was different, but I think it will all go on forever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, thanks to you call Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah, very interesting. Give reefs tases, Yeah, that would go
a long way. Actually, oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighties the number to call love to hear your
experiences as a reef or as appearent on the sidelines
of sport fields up and down the country. It is
twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Thank you very much, Raylan, And we're talking about abuse
directed towards referees of Fenowa Company Rugby Union. They have
canceled all rugby games this weekend after quite a significant
case of referee abuse to the point where he had
to be escorted to his car over safety fares.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Horo Fena have done the exactly the right things. This
is text. The next time an idiot starts lamb besting
the ref the spectators have a legitimate reason to tell
him or her to shut the heck up, and they
will do that. Cheers Pat. Yeah, I mean that would
be the idea that there's a huge social cost to
pay for it. If you start being an absolute dickhead
like this person was, then you know everyone's going, well,
you're going to take rugby away from everyone if you

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do this. That'd be the idea, Yeah, of it. It
does feel a little bit like lining up the villages
and shooting all of them because the rebels have blown
up a tank, But yeah, I get your analogy. Yeah,
Now you've got to say that generally, the the texts
have been massively in support of horror Fenua Company Rugby
Union and their decision, and also of reefs in general.

(01:03:24):
But this text here which surprised me. If you are
a crap ref, you get what you deserve. Do a
good job, no problems. If you are too soft a
ref and take a bit of abuse, don't do it.
These reefs aren't heroes. They are just trying to move
up to make get famous, to make to get famous,
I guess, make get famous and make money doing international games.

(01:03:48):
I guarantee that was a shit call that got that
reef in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Oh, cheapers, you'd love to be next to that fella
at the sports heal, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Well, that isn't you idiots? Texter. Most refs in this
country are not expecting to become an international ref. They
just love the sport and think that and want to
help out the community and going out and volunteering their
own time so a game can happen. As Kate said before,

(01:04:17):
no referee, no game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah yeah, exactly. If you're a referee, what do you
say to a text like that, because clearly that's a
mentality that is out there in the community.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
But how dumb are you, Texter? So you think that
every ref is trying to become famous?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Reefs are non heroes. Cheepause, that's a hell of a
line for that text to throw out there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I'd like to know what that textter does in their
life to help the community. What an incredible person they
are that they can be saying things like that, Just amazing,
amazing person doing amazing things every day for your community.
Be you're a real hero.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, if you want to respond to that text though,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Paul, welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:04:56):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I'll watch your view.

Speaker 13 (01:05:00):
By Actually.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
I didn't even start reffing until I was in my
forty the ice think eleven years.

Speaker 8 (01:05:12):
Flat.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
For four hundred games, I had two really bad experiences
and the rest of the pretty good.

Speaker 13 (01:05:17):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I mean, you get the odd clown who probably the
vocalizes what he should have kept in his head, but
generally people.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
Are pretty good. So they have one.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
In a very.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
Rural area of the Union, and we've had a head
high tackle. I was right above it. Blue. The whistle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Said leave us, leave us anyway. The boys with in
all Russian, which was good, and that the guy who's
been tackled gets up and needs the other boat right
in the face. So there were only three minutes to go,
and I.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
Said, I really want to have a red card here,
and I thought, oh, Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
So I called out the guy who had made the tackles,
I said, and I'd rest them for years, and I said,
this is what happens when you do stupid crap like that.
There was no need for him to do it, and
I said, right, so pemp to head high tackle back
pen He basically laughed at me because.

Speaker 7 (01:06:15):
He knew what was coming. Called the other guy up.
He said, right, you were tackled high. You heard me,
so leave it. I've got this. You're elective with our play.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So you're going in the bin and the penalty has
been reversed. And he just spared exist and he says,
how would you like it if you got tackled?

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
I would like it at all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
But you have to trust me to arbitrate the game.
It's not your job. And he had again sign here
tattooed up his neck and other kind of lab we're
talking about, and he was carrying on anyway. I said,
so you're in the bin and he turned around and
he said to me, you're dead after the game.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Ballhead wo and he meant it and so I pushed
the game straight away. The captain gave me a false
name for him, and then the manager came on and
he was brilliant and he said, look, they gave me
all the details. Said that guy'll never pay the stub again.

(01:07:14):
He said, please do your showering and out changing rooms.
We want to on air.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
And so I went in, just went in there and
they did the hacker and they were brought it and
you know it wasn't the resting style.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
It was one guyline.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
And they anyway, I stilled in my car the other
day and he got ten weeks, but they kicked him out.

Speaker 7 (01:07:38):
Of the club.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
And then the union also organized. We had a psychiatrist
who was also referee, so they got him to do
some me some calls just at the therapy and make
sure I was okay, which was I really really appreciate it.
The only real negative out of it was the very
next week they appointed.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
Me to the same club.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Oh there was that an It was that there must
have been an Edmund mess up with it, you would.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
Assume that time. And then I had one other and
so that was the scene game. I had one other
in another.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Twelve game that I did and I had the senior
game straight after it. They just wanted to do a
curtain raiser. Referees hate doing two games back to back
because the game you need to be at your physical
best and at the end of the game you're exhausted.

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
Yes, but anyway this game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Are going to care for what I say. But basically
all players have to have them out guard. They had
about four. Luckily, I've been to a game in a
very rural area before, and then you take a whole
lot with there for them. One of them had about
two studs of the boats and I said, look, I'll
let it go to day, but he's got to have
a full set next week.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
Another and he's calling me a little hitler.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
In our union, the coaches must stay in a in
a technical area. They can't come out of it. And
he was coming out.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
Into the game. He abused me. He was telling his
players and head off. He was calling.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
He there was a player got was a twelve year
old an injury at his knee, and I just ran
over to him and said, I fell, you know, like,
is it a contact intry or is it twisted? Done
was just trying to get his vine talking rather than
just crying and this guy ran into off and the
other coach came over and said, hang out, walk up

(01:09:37):
your hand you can.

Speaker 7 (01:09:40):
It was just out the gate. And after the game,
I went to the changing rooms to change my jersey
and a couple of the mothers came out to this
sat day around there he's waiting with a bottle. You know,
all it was solely on him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I've done nothing wrong, So I got a thing about
that and the judiciary. That was the first time and
only time I had to appear it su Normally with
the red card, you ride a.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
Report and and be available by phones.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
I go to Judiciary and he's there, His managers, team
manager and the president were there with him. The three
judiciary panel members said they never said a word of
support for him.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
For him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
And he sort of gave his opinion of it, and
then I gave Barton and their first words to me,
don't let a pissant.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
Like that in your refereeing career. But I've had that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah, oh fair enough.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
And then just as I was walking out, five guys
from the club where I was resting that game, so
they were the home team. They all came in to
support me, which eight o'clock at night are all very time.
I was pretty dan impressed for that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
And the guy got game for twelve months from any
rugby ground in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
Just appalling behavior and he had to have been on drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, well, thank you for sharing those stories, Paul. It
sucks that that happened to you. But one question, when
does it move to the point where it's not a
judiciary and it's not within the world of rugby, but
you just if someone's threatening to kill you, when do
you just call one one one and say, look, this
is this is basically this is a police issue. This
is a death threat.

Speaker 7 (01:11:35):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
I think people get their threats in that area pretty regularly. Yeah,
but yeah, and you know you do it for nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
You've got You've got it for the love of the game.
And and as some wise coach.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Said to me, yeah, the reason we do this is
we're growing good young men and rugby is just a vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's the whole idea of sport exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
And it's so sad that Paul is Paul Is now
said I've had enough of riffing because I can't deal
with that sort of Pavie and no one can blame
him but cheaper. I mean, Paul was there for the
passion and the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Good of the game. What would have been out with
the first death thread?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, me too, exactly thirteen to three back for you, surely.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Very good afternoon. She It is eleven to three, and
we're geting a lot of correspondence from people who have
reffed or got out of the reffing game because of
the abuse of the faced of that you have to
hear from you on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Peter,
you used to ref in the eighties.

Speaker 16 (01:12:46):
Yes through yes, and that time and.

Speaker 19 (01:12:52):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:12:52):
What happened to me? The worst thing was that I
had a senior game. But all this rubbish was even
going on way back then. But I had two teams
and I penalized one team, you know, the hangout free
trip mixing one of the powers that were awarded the penalty.

(01:13:15):
He said to me, look out too late, this big
I won't give me nationality because it's still cool, righteous,
But this fellow banged me one and it hit me
in the neck, but it it decked me and starting
to make a long story short. He came up on

(01:13:36):
the Monday night at a judiciary and he got banned
for life. But I understand he went back to the
North Island and changed his name.

Speaker 16 (01:13:46):
But I also and the.

Speaker 14 (01:13:49):
Kenemy Rugby League did not like me doing it. But
I put him on the charge of assault, yes, and
he got fined. I think it's about fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah,
fifteen hundred dollars, something pretty big.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Anyway, Well that is good, I mean banned for life.
That's exactly what you want. Thank you very much better.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
This Texas is our adult sun Reffs has teenage kids
football matches and cops a bit of sideline abuse at times.
I can assure you tech your Texter. He's not after
international honors. He's being a good dad like thousands of
others across New Zealand. That's from Joanne.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Yeah, fantastic, All right, Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is nine
to three. Bag very shortly. You're listening to Matt and
Tyler good afternoon't you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
News Talks HEB. We're going to carry this on for
a bit after three o'clock, so I'd love to hear
your thoughts and experiences on the side of football fields
or sports fields, but also as a referee and man
oh man, we're getting a lot of text coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Yeah, I feel kind of bad about it because you
don't want to put refs off. We need refs out there.
What we need, you know, with the sport always cos
better with billionaires, you know, you look at the We
need some billionaire that just loves loves sport in New
Zealand and goes I'm just going to blanket pay all
the refs in the country and pay security for them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
We need a Foley bell if you're listening, give us
some of that sweet sweet cash for security at our
rugby clubs. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. This is a good text here that
sees guys. I can't believe the stories I'm hearing. It's
just total madness, no wonder people walk away and don't
want to do it. Just crazy. I had no idea
it was this bad. I don't blame the union for

(01:15:37):
taking the action they have. That's from Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Guys. This has turned me off going to games as
the buffied parents and supporters behavior ruined the game in
overall enjoyment for the players. Yeah, I mean it does.
And you know, when there's someone on your team that's
yelling at the ref and yelling at players, it's so
awkward and it makes us so fun for their kid,
you the parent before it even gets to violence. Just

(01:16:03):
some deckhead that won't shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah, it's got to shame those people out of existence.

Speaker 20 (01:16:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
News is on its way, but really keen to get
your views on this as we say, we're going to
carry this on after three o'clock. If you can't get
through on the phone lines, keep trying. Full boards bets
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New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to
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we'll see you on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Your new home are insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Good afternoon to you. Welcome back to the program. Seven
past three, and we were having a great discussion about
referee abuse. Hot Offenowa Company rugby union. They have canceled
all rugby games this weekend after a particularly serious case
of referee abuse. But we're hearing from a lot of
people involved in sports around the country and referees themselves
saying that they've had to deal with abuse for a

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long time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
This text says, I challenged this huge dude and his
wife who were abusing the poor ref at school rugby
match in Parmi versus a hot Offenoit team. By the way,
was told in no uncertain terms where he could stick
my head after ripping it off. Where he would stick
my head after ripping it off. Interesting, his wife was
equally abusive. That's nice. I stood my ground and nothing happened.

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But afterwards, all the other parents from our team who
had disappeared when I challenged the du sidled up to
me and thank me. I was cracking myself while standing
my ground. But there's no room for those types with
their abuse. How about when the child registers, they get
a code of contact which includes their parents. Abuse from
either or on a rear or anyone else gets yellow

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carded and then the red card gets carried off. Yeah,
carried on. It's a good idea red card the parents.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, something needs to happen, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Now we got this text before. That's scored some controversy
some people, So can this TEXTA says, can you read
out that text again and abuse that person? Some more
enjoyed you abusing them? Yep, that was this text before
read that out. Someone else says, Matt, you are telling
people not to abuse people such as refs, and then
you call a text or a dickhead and a muppet
and not a hero. That is a pretty mixed message.

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I don't know. I think it's a bit different. It's
a bit different. A radio host abusing a absolute dickhead.
That texts in right, So this is the text in
case you mix must it?

Speaker 20 (01:19:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
This person said, actually this heads? Can you make that
text a dickhead of the week. So there's mixed reports
on my abuse of this person. But here's the text
that came in on this on this issue. If you
are a crap ref, you get what you deserve. Do
a good job, no problems. If you are too soft
to reft and take a bit of abuse, don't do it.
These reefs aren't heroes. They are just trying to move
up to make get famous and make money doing international games.

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I guarantee that was a shit call and the ref
got that got the ref in trouble got what they deserved.
You are a muppet, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
You can absolutely call that person a dick and then
abuse the abusers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
You're a dickhead and a muppet texture and a knob.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
If you want to ring up and abuse this particular texture,
you're more than welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Yeah. I think that's very different me pointing out the
fact that that person that texts that and is a
complete and utter spoon and an egg and a muppet
and got their eyes for Christmas? Then is that the
saying you say, it's very different from someone that someone
abusing a ref exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I think absolutely you can abuse abusers, surely, But keen
you get your views on this. One hundred and eighty
ten eighty Haiti, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:20:12):
Good things? How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Now? What's your thoughts about referee abuse? Now we know
who you are, Haiti? You've been involved in sport in
Canterbury for some time.

Speaker 21 (01:20:21):
Yeah, yeah, just yeah recently, I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yes, yeah, yeah. So Hadi Stratford, for those listening right now,
was the GM at the Tactics and has been involved
in sport for a long time. So your kids both
play rugby currently, Haiti, what's the level of abuse that
you see on the sidelines of any Yeah, our.

Speaker 21 (01:20:40):
Kids are young, so we're still in that stage where
every match one team does half and the other team
does half. So to be honest, I and all the
years I've been watching my kids play Rapier, I really
actually haven't seen anything bad, which I suppose is a
really great thing, and I do wonder if that's because
sort of like you know, your your coach is doing

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one half and the other coaches doing one half, so
there's a bit more sort of familiarity with it. But
one thing I was going to say is that sort
of one element that's been left out of the chat
quite a lot that I've seen that works really really
well was actually like needs to come from the coach
in terms of setting the culture. So one of the
things my oldest boys coach in his club used to

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do and it was brilliant, and before the start of
every single game, especially the games that were sort of
a bit tighter, he would come down the line to
all the parents and in his like sort of gruff
but kind of funny way, so I don't want to
hear from any of you guys during the game. I
don't want to hear your abuse. Ref and if I
hear anything from you guys, as in our own parents,

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you'll be talking to me at the end of the game.
And it was set in a way that was sort
of like, I'm serious, was kind of joking, but actually like,
you're on this team too, and so I suppose as
a parent, I always thought, well, totally, you know, like
if I'm not going to let him down, and I'm
not going to let the team down because I'm part
of the team. So I feel like coaches could, especially

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in a lot of the chat these referees are saying
about the CTEAM, coaches could do a lot more to
stop behavior, you know, like pool players off the field
and talk to them, stand them down for again themselves.
Why are they waiting until the union does something? Why
not set the culture yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
I wondered though, if some referee. Some coaches, you know,
they're VOLTI volunteering their time as well. They aren't really
an authority figure a lot of them, a lot of
them might potentially be scared themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Do you think that it's not for the other team.

Speaker 21 (01:22:38):
I'm supposed you don't go and sort of speak to
the other team. You're speaking to your own people. So
there's sort of like a level of you know, t
among guys. We're a team, we're all part of it.
And I suppose getting a culture takes a while, doesn't it.
You know, you build the trust up from your parents
and all that kind of thing. I'm not saying it's
the it's the golden nugget, but it's something that I've
seen that works really really well, and I think it's

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something that teams could try if stuff seen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
There's so many amazing coaches out there that you just
feel so incredibly grateful when your kids are on teams
with them, and that if they put it in the
time they take out of their life and the example
they set. I've just felt so incredibly lucky with that
people would take that much time out of their life.
I mean, I've coached teams, but I've got to say
of pretty average coach and maybe a terrible role model.

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But I've just I felt so grateful for coaches that
have stepped up and done that for my kids. You
just can't believe that the difference they've made.

Speaker 21 (01:23:34):
Probably to that note, I think one thing we don't
do very well in New Zealand is actually, like when
you see an example of good referenging. Our kids were
playing down in a Stevens tournament a couple of months ago,
and this one way they had was just brilliant, Like
he was communicated with the kids, he was just he
was just fantastic. And so I went up to the
end of the tournament just mate, like you're really good

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at refereeing. You should keep it up, like doing great jobs.
And the smile on his face was just like awesome,
and the organizer was beside him. So I think people
don't do that enough as well, like when you see
great stuff, like just actually acknowledge it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Haiti for the refs, And I know there's associations and
local associations for volunteer refs, but do you think they
need maybe a bit more power at the judiciary level
when there is bad behavior when there's complaints made about
threats that that association can come in with that support
to potentially you know, have stronger bands or trying you know,

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a bit more teeth on this sort of behavior.

Speaker 21 (01:24:34):
Yeah, I think there's probably a few steps that that
could happen before you get to sort of the severity
of a judiciary. Like, for example, an idea of often
thought about, like you know, in the age of technology
these days, is there any way that unions could have
an internal app with their referees where they rate the
sportsmanship of a particular team week every team they referee

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week in and week out. And let's say it's one
to five, a team gets and fives brilliant ones awful.
Let's see a team gets two ones in a row. Well,
then that then sort of sends an alert to the
union to go, actually, we've got a problem with this
team and we need to go and address it. Because
one of the biggest problems for unions and all sports
across the entire country is they don't have the staff

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to be dealing with these kinds of issues and they're
already volunteer poor, right, So how can we use technology
to kind of help us and give the reefs a
little bit more power as well. So it wouldn't be
something that was sort of open to the public because
that would be an absolute nightmare, but something internal that
could go to the union and sort of be like,
we've actually.

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
Got a problem with this team.

Speaker 21 (01:25:39):
Let's go and talk to them, sit down and have
a beer maybe and kind of talk about the problems
that we're seeing and let's try and fix it before
we just go straight to the judiciary.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Yeah, Haiti, great to chat with you. Thank you very
much for giving us a bus. We're going to play
some messages. It is quarter past three listening to Matt
and Tyler. Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Yet I'm getting a bit of abuse from my abuse
of this text that I'd like to address when we
come back, probably with some more abuse. With that extent,
this is going to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Eighteen pass three. Now, before we went to the break,
you mentioned that you've got some correspondence again on this
one text.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
I mean, do we want to share the text again?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
You got to read it out. You got to read
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
If you are a crap reef, you get what you deserve,
do a good job, no problems. If you are too
soft to ref and take a bit of abuse. Don't
do it. There are refs. These reefs aren't heroes. They
are just trying to move up to make get famous.
I've got every time I've read that out making get
together and make money doing international games. I guarantee that

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was a shit call that got that reef and trouble.
And I laid into that person saying that they were
an idiot and a muppet and stupid and dumb and
a massive example of what's wrong with thinking across the country.
And that's helt fair when it came for that issue.
And this business says, you can't just go abusing Texas

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met you don't know what is happening in their life.
And this person is totally agree with those textings saying
that you should be abusing a text while talking about
people abusing refs. It's hypocritical. You need to grow up
and stop abusing people, even if they are abusing you
or refs. Well, I just want to say to all
those texts, what you've just said is one of the
most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no

(01:27:25):
point in your rambling incoherent text were you even close
to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone
listening to the show is now dumber for having listened
to your text. Okay, and then I'll just leave it at.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
That, Okay, yeah, yeah, nicely said. That's a good place
to leave it. Tanya, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:27:42):
You know, hey, look, I don't support that text that
came in that you read out. I've been watching my
son ref He started repping when he was fifteen up
in Auckland, actually, you know, and he's been repping for
twenty five years. He's still repping now, and we've got
to look after these reefs. I've watched him get abuse,
fat on, people swearing at him, but he's continued on

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for the love of the game. And I just take
my hat off to her. I mean, we're in the
Hawk Spain now, and he was reffing as a fifteen
year old. He went to King's College up there there
and they supported them reffing at that age. And he's
come right through. He's done super rugby. Now he's forty.
He's doing club rugby here in Hawks Bay. He's copped
a lot over the years and I've watched it, and

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you know, I have to walk away sometimes because of
the people on the side. Parents. I've watched them ref
schoolboy rugby right up to Super rugby and they cop
a lot these refs and without the rest there would
be no game. So we've got to look after them.

Speaker 14 (01:28:40):
And I've just.

Speaker 22 (01:28:40):
Watched it year after year, and even now I've watched
my son. He's a volunteer for the Hawks bay he
drives down to danny Burt, which is two hours away.
They don't get any support until the end of the year.
I think they've been you know, they've given such a
bit of petrol money, but that's it, you know, And
I just take my head off to the referees, you know,

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of the day and just seeing the abuse sy cop
and I think now someone said it on the caller
said our unions have to step up support the referees.
I like the idea of red carding those that play
up on the side, but yeah, I think coaches, managers,
rugby unions and you set it yourself. New Zealand Rugby

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Union have to step up otherwise there won't be a game.
And good on hood of for Noa for doing what
they're doing. And I think we'll be seeing a lot
more of that around the country. Because I mean here
in the Hawk's Bay we had a firearm incident at
one of the games last year. I know we're you
know their firearm views, and I mean that's just ridiculous.

(01:29:47):
We can't let it get out of control.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Well, what a great call to end this subject on again.
I just say good on your son. That is phenomenal
and what he's done has helped so many people over
the years, and you know, helped young people grow up
and learn sports and ship and all that kind of
stuff and without refs that that stuff doesn't happen. So
you should be very very proud and and our nation

(01:30:09):
should be really really thankful to people like your son
that step up and go out of their way and sack.

Speaker 13 (01:30:13):
Flow street time crowd.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah, they're great New Zealanders. Your son's a great New Zealander.
Thank you for calling.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Thanks Daranya. A couple of texts to the break. What
about a dobb and knob website where you can send
any recording of abuse from the sidelines and they get
recarded for the season.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Dobbin Nobin, dobyin Noben, Yeah, Dobin Owen, I like it.
It's got a good ring to it. Dave Dobbin nowen,
Sir Dave Dobbin, nomen.

Speaker 19 (01:30:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I think that's where we'll leave it, because coming up,
we've been talking about this for a couple of days
and we're really keen to chat about it. Hoarders. If
you're a hoarder, you've got a hoarder in your family, why,
why do you do it? And how did you deal
with it? Really keen Teava chat with you on OH
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There's been a lot of
tips come through on hoarders already. We'll get to some
of those very shortly. Twenty three past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
ZB twenty five past three.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Thank you to everybody who called and and text us
on the refrobuse discussion. Really enjoyed that. But this is
going to be a great discussion hoarders. Nineteen complaints were
made in one year about a house surrounded by hoarded
goods before it caught fire at the weekend. So neighbors
have been claiming sorry neighbors and locals have been complaining
about this particular house and yard for the last few years,

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and they say that the council has done nothing to
stop this particular person hoarding various things on their lawn
and sadly it went up in fire. But we want
to take it a bit wider than that and talk
to you about hoarding yourself. If you are a hoarder,
or you've got a hoarder in your family, why.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Yeah, do you know a hoarder? Are you a hoarder?
I'd like to talk to a hoarder, someone that will
admit they are hoarder, or someone who was a hoarder,
and if so, how do you stopped or how did
you stop a friend or a family member, because hoarding
does a lot of damage not just to the person
that's hoarding, but to their family. If you've got parents
that hoard and then the kids are embarrassed to bring

(01:32:11):
people around to their house. I think hoarding isolates people
as well. People to get embarrassed about their house. It's
harder to get into their house, it's hard to find
spaces about you. When you get to the point of
really serious hoarding, like we've seen in those TV shows,
you can't have friends around for dinner. Yeah, there's so
much you can't do and then you know you might
something might happen to you, and then you're your family
and friends are expected to clean up the mess. Yeah,

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but what do you think people called tyler?

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
What do you think it is even at the lower level.
And I think sometimes I'm a borderline hoarder. But there's
just some things that I can't bear to throw away
because I think they will be useful in the future.
Oh no, good, Yeah, we've got a hoarder here. So
we've already talked about bits of wood, and you agree
that bits of wood, you've got to have bits of word.
You can't throw that away because that actually might come

(01:32:58):
in handy. But just in the garage in general, if
I've purchased something and I haven't used the rest of it,
or there's little bits of plastin something. If I've purchased
something and I haven't used the whole lot of it,
then I'll keep it there. If there's little bits of
plastic that have come and packaging cardboard boxes, I really
want to keep ahold of those because they come and useful.

(01:33:19):
I think eventually I've got about twenty boxes just sitting there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Well, we were talking about this earlier in the weekend,
Carrie sent through that great video we should put it
up on our Facebook page. So she sent through this
video of just a father fight a son finally finds
a need for something, a piece of wood that the
father has hoarded for years. It's a great, absolute celebration

(01:33:42):
about it. But you know, you've got to look as
our friends the Buddhist steech. You know, if your positions
own you. Yeah, your positions will start to own you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
You're a minimalist, ye as they would say, mate, you
love chucking things out clean?

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
I love I will keep some bits of wood down
the side of the house.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
We can agree on that. From there. Everything I don't
believe in keeping. I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:34:05):
You know, you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Put together a flat pack and then you know, some
people keep the extra screws, the extra little bit. They'll
keep the allen Keys. Yeah, I've got a full allo
allen Key set. It just grows and grows and grows.
You've just got to cut it off. You've got to
cut the octopus's head off and throw it all out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
The one thing that people think is quite weird is
I haven't chucked out a pair of shoes for probably
fifteen years. So they're just sitting there in a basket now.
And I'll tell you why. It's almost like a Forest
Gump situation. Is I like to think that those shoes
they have been on journeys with me, and I just
couldn't be that. They have stories to tell, those shoes
and I couldn't bear to throw those shoes out. So

(01:34:44):
I get a lot of stick about that, but I
don't care. You know, They've been a part of my
life for a long time. Each and every one of
those pairs of shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
They do not have personalities. They are not sentient, they
don't mean anything. They are inanimate objects. You know, don't
personify inanimate objects. They don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
But some of those shoes, man, they've got stories to tell.
If they could speak, right, keen to hear from you
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're horder,
why are you doing? And if you've got one in
your family, what were they hoarding?

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
And this Texas is from our good friend Mars Matt
Definer hoarder. I'm a trader and I buy tools I
might not ever use, or I can't throw materials away
because it's surprising when you might one day need them. Yeah,
look that's a good point. We'll define a hoarder next.
What we think what a hoarder has? I got to
think about it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Hit headlines with railing coming up, then we'll take your
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Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Thank you very much railing. An apology to you are Raylan,
because I know you're ready to go as the traffic
department that was out of action, So thank you very much.
That is not a problem. We're always here to help Lucky.

Speaker 16 (01:36:56):
We have you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Right, we are talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
I never said anything. I didn't blame you. That was
Tyler that blamed you. I knew that you were in
the right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Mid mea culpa. Thanks, Raylean, I love you. Right, we
are talking about hoarders eighty ten eighties and umber to
call four lines.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
And before the news I promised a definition of what
we mean by hoarding, because it's not just keeping a
few screws, you know, because you might need them later.
Yeah different, It's not having multiple roles of saloitate that
are half finished.

Speaker 8 (01:37:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
What it is is hoarding is might marked by an
overwhelming desire to collect items and an inability to discard
things that may seem useless to such a point that
the collections call stress and start impacting a person's health,
career or relationships there are. It all happens on a spectrum,
you know, from Tyler who can't throw out his shoes,
which is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
That's close to that definition.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
But it's not quite damaging your life yet, is it?

Speaker 15 (01:37:51):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Not yet?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Give it another fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Who you aren't.

Speaker 15 (01:37:55):
First of all, you're not even low lights gone talking, Megan,
get your Bagia on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
The But you're in your army now well Forest as
far as Cump and his love of shoes, Hello, Matt,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Matt.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
Yeah, ayday, guys, Yeah today.

Speaker 12 (01:38:11):
Hey, I've got a.

Speaker 13 (01:38:12):
Mother in law that's a hoarder.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Oh how bad is it, Matt?

Speaker 12 (01:38:18):
I'd say she's a pretty bona fide hoarder. So lovely lady,
of course, But she's been living on her own in
a small house for the better part of forty years,
and over the years she's accumulated all manner of magazines
tell us sorry, newspapers, nick knacks, bits bobs, everything else
that can sort of reach the ceiling. And my partner
and I have spoken to her multiple times about letting

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us come in and help her clean a few things up.
But we've come to the realization that all the stuff
that to us appears to be just junk and rubbish
actually gives her a great deal of comfort, and we
sort of had to come to the just just sort
of accept that. You know, if we were to take
stuff away from her and remove it from her house,
it would actually affect her mental health of it. And

(01:39:00):
so she did allow us once to go in and
clean up her kitchen, which was quite a quite an experience.
There were all manner of things sort of expired up
to about fifteen years, soy sauce and all sorts, so
you don't even want to know about some of the smells.
But everything else will just have to come and accept it, because, yeah,
she just likes having this stuff there and she doesn't

(01:39:21):
want it moved, and if it does get moved, she
gets very upset.

Speaker 7 (01:39:24):
So I guess someone has different reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
Is it affecting her life? Is it damaging her her life?

Speaker 12 (01:39:32):
It is a bit it's a double edged sword, mate,
because as I said, she's been living by herself for
a bitter part of forty years. I think she suffers
from a bit of mild depression. But at the same time,
because of all the stuff that she has in her house,
she's reluctant to have people over, so it is a
bit isolating. But again, when we've tried to approach her
about helping her, she's absolutely staunchly against it. She just

(01:39:54):
wants her things where they are and she doesn't want
anyone to touch it. So it's a bit of an
interesting one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Do you think if you just went in Matt and
she was out or something, and you just cleared everything
out so the house was nice, in pristine, all the
smells were gone, she would have a breakdown, But you think,
I don't know, would she come back? This is what
I wonder. If you just did it, if they're there,
it would hurt. But if you just did it, then

(01:40:21):
once it's gone, she would rebuild her life in her
life would be better. Maybe she'd be twenty four hours
of pain, but you know, months and months and years.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Mate.

Speaker 12 (01:40:31):
Look, we've talked about this, believe me, we certainly have,
and we've been quite close to doing it a couple
of times. But honestly, I think that she's just one
of those people, and maybe a lot of other hoarders
are that they just they're so accustomed to having all
these things. Even though they might really add up to
nothing and mean nothing, they mean something to her. And
so we've decided against it because we think the fallout

(01:40:53):
would be probably worse than what the benefit might be.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Is it genetic as your wife exhibiting any hoarding tendencies.

Speaker 12 (01:41:03):
Minor tendencies which I'm trying to keep.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
In checks, get on top of it one, because I
think you do have to live it in the bud
because in my experience with hoarders, it becomes almost like
the stuff. They personify it. As I was saying before,
they feel they feel throwing it out. It's like throwing
out It's like you know, when you're a kid and
you think a teddy bear is real, and so if
your parents took your parents took the teddy bear off

(01:41:27):
you and throw it the rubbish, it would be like
they were taking a real entity off you, a real person,
if you will. And I think they do that with
newspapers and even toilet rolls.

Speaker 12 (01:41:38):
Oh absolutely, Look, I mean yeah, without going into too
much detail, you know, some of the really kind of pointless.
You know, like items that you find for some reason,
like I say, bring her a great deal of comfort
knowing that they are there. So whether she's personified them
or she puts extra value on them, not sure, but
I think that's the root of why she does it.
It just gives her comfort, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Oh, well, good luck with that. I mean, it's the
thing that you have to spend your time worrying about
and what you should do about it is kind of
even though it's not making a heavy toll on you,
that does weigh on family members' minds. So there is
Oh it does. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for
your call, Matt. Thanks for sharing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
But it seems like Matt's picked the right balance there
of if it brings her comfort and if they clean
it all up and make the house smell beautiful and
the mother in law has a breakdown, yeah, then the easiest,
the path of least resistance is just let a hoard,
Just let it keep the newspaper.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
But it can be unhealthy. It can be a fire risk,
and it isolates people. People can't come around to the house.
There is a serious risk of it. If there's bad smells,
it can be stuff that's rotting there. You know, there
can be a bad side to it. It's not just
they love their stuff. Yeah, it shrinks their world. Speaking
of which, shrinking the world, I'm annoyed at you, Tyler,
because I made quite a good joke for and you

(01:42:53):
didn't even notice it. Will laugh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Tell me again, I see it. This happens often, folks.
This is my day and life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
I'll share it next. Okay, I'm feeling emotionally under pressure
for you're not laughing at my joke.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
It's twenty to four, your home of afternoon talk, Mad
Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty news Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Be seventeen to four.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
Okay, I'm sitting it's basically workplace of bullying. Bullying. You're
not laughing at my jokes?

Speaker 16 (01:43:24):
Title?

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Yeah, I know you've put on a note with HR.
So I've got a meeting after the show to talk
about this.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Okay, So I'll have to deliver my joke again. Yeah, right,
here we go, and if you don't laughs time, then
I'm taking it upstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
Okay, you were talking about your shoes, yes, and I said,
don't personify your shoes, Tyler. They don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Well, see the reason I didn't laugh and it went
over my head. That's quite a lad joke, you know.
There's there's there's some elements to that joke, and it
was quite clever.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Yeah, because they don't like it means that I'm personifying
it's a real crack up. Welcome to the show, Greg.

Speaker 7 (01:43:59):
Yeah, I don't know if you remember. I'm handing in
a run around it. And I was employed one day
by the children to go round to the months and
the mum was about eighty to try and, in their words,
clean some stuff out. And I went into this house
and the foire was immaculate in the kitchen and the
lounge was an accident. And I talked to him and
she was really upset that the kids have employed me

(01:44:22):
to sort of help clean some stuff out, you know,
and she was it was obviously a massive problem in
the family, you know, and she wouldn't talk to the
kids anymore. But I sort of couldn't really understand what
was going on. I said, okay, well let's let's have
a quick look around the house and we'll start to
want to clean some stuff out. And the first bedroom
I couldn't open the door because it was piled to

(01:44:45):
the ceiling of stuff that she's been collected. And then
the next bedroom piled to the ceilings, a third bedroom.
And this is a really nice house in Lower Heart
I'm not going to say exactly where, but multimillion dollar house.
She she there was obviously a serious musical problem. I
felt so sorry for her, but it was it was

(01:45:06):
a real fire hazard. The lounge under the lounge, the
garret would have been about six meters like eight meters,
so the burg almost a triple sized garage. And that
was except for the little walkways around where you could walk,
was full to the ceiling of stuff. I pulled out
fifteen brand new toasters in their boxes.

Speaker 8 (01:45:29):
Woh, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:45:31):
You know there was a massive pile of soft toys
that she was buying things with her brand kids, and
all her grandkids were sort of fifteen to twenty five
years old, I found from that, you know, but she's
still buying soft toys to.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
The It was one, one, two toasters. Sure, how do
you get up to fifteen toasters without around toaster? Seven?

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
Going?

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
We've already got another sex you know, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:45:55):
Almost All the stuff that I saw was brand new,
you know, it was on special. Yeah, and so she'd
see a bargain. Yeah, well that's a cheap closer. I'm
buying that. And then she just put it on the
pile somewhere and they were talk together, all just scattered
all through this garret. There was a there was a
brand new barbecue, and the and the guest one that
had expired fifteen years before. But the barbieul had never

(01:46:17):
been used. Wow, And I said, you can't. You can't
keep this full guest bottom here. It's it's a bomb,
you know, it's never been used. It's good. We'll sell it,
will sell it, you know. And I did my best
for about three or four hours when outside, had a
quick cup of coffee in the van, and while I
was so, I've been throwing stuff in a skip that
the kids had organized. And when I went came back,

(01:46:38):
she was in the skip throwing stuff back out into
the garrete.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Oh god, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:46:43):
Yeah it was and it was obviously a massive problem
for the family. So I did the best I could. Yeah,
this this and obviously something.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
And yeah, not quite right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
It's a sort of some kind of sort of almost
suicidal empathy you have that you your empathy gets just
spread around all these objects that you need to keep.
So yeah, I think you and then your identity gets
attached to them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
It's it's a super MPF path almost, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
But what do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
I mean, I feel for But the weird thing is
that often so your your love of these objects and
you need to keep these objects pushes your family away,
the real people. It's crazy. Yeah, crazy situation. I had this,
you know. The sale thing's an interesting one. I had
someone in my life who turned up with a toilet
that that was they bought for one dollar and it

(01:47:35):
was just on our deck and there's a toilet and
I was like, there was I got it? Why because
it's a dollar? And I was like, but we don't
need a toilet. That is a good toilet, and it's
a good deal. But if you don't need a toilet,
then it's not a good deal because now you've got
a toilet sitting here on your deck that you didn't need.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
If you know what I'm saying, I'd buy a toilet
for a dollar. Go on, how often do you see
a toilet for a dollar? Maybe this is more about
me right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you ought to say to
teach you more than welcome. Nine to nine two are
you a hoarder? Or do you have a hoarder and
your family love to hear from you?

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
It is thirteen to four.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
The big stories are big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Talk zed B. We are talking about hoarders now. Just
before we carry on with some more phone calls. You
mentioned before the joke that I Missmat and it was
very layered joke and very clever, but a text that
just came through, and oh we've had so many, but
I've just lost it.

Speaker 7 (01:48:30):
Here it is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
It's Tracy Tyler. I know you're paying if you If
I don't laugh for acknowledge knowledge Matt's shit jokes, he
throws a tanty and that is from none other than
your Tracy, Matt my partner.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Yeah, she texted you that. Yeah, that's the betrayal. That's
also not true. All my jokes are absolute crack up.
But there's never a situation where people aren't laughing at them.
This Texas says, my mother and UK won't throw anything away.
Her garden she had was full, so she got another one.
She now has nine chids. We've told her to start downsizing,

(01:49:02):
but she laughs and says it will be our problem.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
I like his style.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
She's not only hoarding stuff, she's hoarding stuff to put
the stuff in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
At his next level day, Dave.

Speaker 20 (01:49:15):
Hello there.

Speaker 23 (01:49:16):
Yes, my mum's a hoarder. We had to move her
out of a family home and bring us to a
retirement place. But for example, you know the hearing aid
batches that you have in your hearing aids. We found
probably too jugsful of over I don't know how many
years you've been keeping them. You know, the cable tires
and the twist you have any bread and all that

(01:49:37):
sort of thing. Donuts, I found over a bucket and
a half. Wow, check books that go back to in
the sixties. I found twenty five passports. You know, it's
just sort of yeah, she just just doesn't get rid
of anything. So cost a lot of money get it
atle sorted out in the end. But yeah, we got
to We've got a company and called Elderly As Sisters

(01:49:58):
that where they called him awkor yeah, but they came in,
but they did a lot of stuff. It was like
it was just here was like forty thousand there, but
that included a lot of stuff outside, Like there was
seven there were seven vanloads of stuff outside that had
to be removed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
You know, did you know this about your mother before
you had to sort of clean that stuff up or
you had no idea?

Speaker 23 (01:50:18):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, she's she's a widow. So
you know there were magazine poles that everywhere. You couldn't
get anywhere, you know. So we've been saying it for
some time. You know, you've got to downsize, man, You've
got to downsize. Then she has had a week and
we've then brought things forward to either hand to go
up there and speed things up. So but yeah, just

(01:50:39):
and of course, you know, anything she wants to go
to a market or a second hand shop, she comes
back with a bag full of stuff. You know, can't
help herself.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's it seems to be see now nearly
everyone that's that we've heard this hoarding has been older woman,
hasn't it? But is that because the men that are
hoarding think that they're just holding useful stuff like wood
and corrugated and nailed.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
That's exactly what's happened. But how do you I mean,
I can see the difficulty in shedding to your parents
or your mother about having a hoarding problem. I wouldn't
know where to start with that conversation. It would be
incredibly difficult. And as a previous caller Matt said with
his mother in law, sometimes the path of least resistance,
if it gives them comfort.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
That can be you know, a decision, but it can
be a health risk. Fire risk, can isolate them from people.
They get a shamed to bring people around the house.
So it does have a result. I think you need
to tyler as a potential hoarder. You do the five
second test regularly. You pick things up and you go.
If you can't justify having it in five seconds, you
have to throw it out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Well, my shoes are easy. They've all got a story.
And I've told you that we got time for one
more caller. Yeah, Phil, you reckon. You're a bit of
a hoarder yourself.

Speaker 13 (01:51:53):
Sure sure, just got it.

Speaker 20 (01:51:56):
Yes, sorry, Matt. That Joe kind of went over my
head as well. I'm not the smartest man in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
So sorry, I don't know what that says about me. Well,
but anyway, carry.

Speaker 20 (01:52:05):
Home mate, But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd have to say
I'm a bit of a hoarder, and for for me,
it's some of it to do with I'm big on recycling,
and I just hate the idea of just throwing something
in the landfall with rather than trying to recycle it

(01:52:26):
or you know, get it broken down and like electronics
and get the parts recycled and just everything. Like even
just so I'll hang on to a lot of rubbish
because I keep thinking I'm going try and find a
way to recycle it. But then of course it starts
building up with a big pile and that sort of thing,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, so it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Slippery soap there. Film, Yes, so run out of time.
We could talk about hoarding for ages. There's so many
calls coming through in phones, so sorry to film.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Yeah, we might have to bring that back because we've
had thousands of text and the phone lines you couldn't
get through.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
But that and also the thing is, Tyler, you can't
throw out shoes because shoes have soles.

Speaker 14 (01:53:03):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
I laughed at that one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Yeah, anyway, I saw that one of a text, Hey,
I thank you so much all your great us for
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(01:53:24):
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But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this song
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Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Dobbin Dave Dobbin Oh, because we were talking about abusive
referees and someone said dobb a dobbin hobbin dobbin nicely.

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