Passage To Profit Embracing Your Flaws on the Journey Success with Kristina Mand-Lahkhaini

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Episode Transcript

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It makes sense to the kid drugonsin the eye in the department of spiritual
therapy. I do it all.Why do you want to write the book?
What's the story and what prevents youfrom writing it. I'm Richard Gerhart
and I'm Elizabeth Gearhart. You justheard some snippets from our show. We
had amazing people on listen for therest of it. Want of Patton your
invention? The chance is near.You've given it part, now get it

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in gear It's Passage to Profit withRichard and Elizabeth Gearhart. I'm Richard Gerhart,
founder of Gearhart Law, a firmspecializing in patents, trademarks, and
copyrights. I'm Elizabeth Gearhart, notan attorney, but I work at your
Heart Law doing the marketing and Ihave my own startups. Welcome the Passage
to Profit everyone, the road toentrepreneurship where we talk with startups small businesses

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and discuss the intellectual property that helpsthem flourish. We have somebody who's been
here once before. It's the amazingChristina Mandlachiani and she's the co founder of
mind Belly and also has a newbook coming out, Becoming Flowsome. And
I'm really looking forward to speaking withher again because she has done so many
amazing things and has so many amazingprograms. Yes, if only our flaws

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could make us awesome. One alsoreturning to Passage to Profit is Tisa Harstir
with the Angel Campaign. And Tisais a medium who really gets in touch
with the other side, and Ijust can't wait to talk to her again
because what she does is amazing.And then we have Lee Barnathan, who
is a ghost writer. No,he does not write for ghosts, but

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he has like incredible stories about peoplehe's done books for, So can't wait
to dig into that. I'm reallylooking forward to speaking with all of our
guests. They're all sort of highminded, aren't they. We have a
high minded program coming up for you. But before we get to our distinguished
guests, well, I'll talk alittle bit about trademarks. And I guess
the lesson today on IP in theNews is you can file a trademark,

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but that doesn't mean that you're goingto get one. So everybody or most
people who follow football are familiar withthe Washington football team story. A long
time ago, they were known bythe Washington Redskins, and of course many
people objected to the use of theterm Redskins because they felt it was derogatory

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to Native Americans. So there wasa huge intellectual property trademark controversy around that
and eventually though, that kind ofwent away because they changed their name to
the Washington football team. Now they'vedecided to rebrand themselves and they're calling themselves
the Commanders, right, so theypicked that name, they filed their trademark

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application at the US Trademark Office andguess what, they're having trouble getting the
trademark. So after all of thattrouble, they're finding it difficult to actually
get a trademark on the name thatthey wanted. So the lesson is that
it's not always easy. You don'tjust fire a trademark. Sometimes you have
to work to get it. Andso they're in the process of doing that

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now. So you mean the USPTI won't change the rules for the football
teams. Has a lot of swayin this country, but I don't think
that they're going to do that.So there are two rejections. So when
the Trademark Office doesn't like your trademark, they rejected, and one rejected is
for the Commander Classic, which isa football game between the Navy and the

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Army and they call it the CommanderClassic, and they've had a trademark since
twenty twenty. And then there's anotherguy out there, Martin McCarthy. And
Martin, when he heard that theWashington football team was going to be filing
trademarks, he filed a bunch oftrademarks with the word Commander in them,
just hoping that they would pick oneof those and then they would have to

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pay him money. I thought hesaid he was going to gift them to
them. Well that's what he saidwhen he filed them back like two three
years ago. But we'll see whatactually happens. Anyway, the moral of
the story is you don't necessarily geta trademark when you file it. The
Commanders are going to have to dealwith these rejections at the patent office.
Their attorney says that they're very confident, but you never know what's going to

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happen. And it would be areal shame if, after all the branding
that the Commanders have done, thewebsite, the merch that they've put out,
if the trademarkets denied, because thenthey're going to be in a pretty
tough spot. Anyway, that's ipin the news for today. I'd like
to ask our distinguished panel Christina,tell us what you think about this controversy.
You know, as I was listeningto that, I thought, actually

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like the Washington football team quite wellbecause it's so clear, until I remember
that I'm European, so maybe whatI mean by football is very different.
And you know, if we weretalking about trademarks internationally, that might have
been the tough word. But inmy opinion, since they already had to
rebrand and maybe not so much damageit's going to be done if they had
to rebrand again. Yeah, Ithink that people are sort of used to

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them rebranding now, so we'll seewhat happens. I think that the attorney's
probably new already about these other marksthat were out there, because usually you
do a search first and you findout what the lay of the land is,
and when you're picking marks, especiallymarks like the commanders, they're very
kind of well known terms and soyou almost always expect that there are going

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to be obstacles and part of thejob of their attorneys is to clear those.
Pizza tell us what you think aboutthis controversy. Well, I could
see how there could be a lotof confusion with continuously changing your name and
rebranding. That could cause a lotof confusion. Yeah, I mean on
the back of the jerseys they couldhave a question mark, right and Lee,

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what are your thoughts on all ofthis. I'm of the opinion that
the trademark should be denied because theword commander is a common word, and
I don't believe you should give trademarksto common words. Contrast that with pat
Riley's trademark of three peat. Nowthat's a word that isn't a real word.
He created that. He got thetrademark for that. But commander,

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sorry, that's a rank. That'sa term that's used in the navy.
So I don't believe that they shouldbe granted a trademark. And by the
way, the Commander cup, Ialways thought it was called the Army Navy
Game. Well, now they haveto have merchandise to sell, so now
it's the Commander Classic. I guess, oh, Commander Classic. I still
know it is the Army Navy Game. I think people do sometimes get generic
words as add ons and correct meif I'm wrong, because they're filed in

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certain classifications, like if you werea commander in the Navy, you probably
wouldn't be printing up T shirts withyour brand on, so that might be
one way they wiggle around it.That's exactly right. There's different classifications.
If you use the word commanders,say for computers, no, there's not
necessarily a connection to the rank ora person who's a commander, so you
might be able to get a trademarkon that word. On the other hand,

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if you are literally a commander andyou're trying to get a trademark on
something related to your status, thenit probably won't happen. So anyway,
all good points and we appreciate yourparticipation. Now time to go to our
distinguished guest, Christina man Lucky Annie, who I mentioned, is the co
founder of Mind Valley, and she'salso written a book, Becoming Flosome.

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I love the title of that somuch and it's so good to have you
back. Christina. Thank you forjoining us and tell us a little bit
about becoming FlowSOM. Thank you forhaving me again. And as you we're
discussing this issue with that IP,I thought I was actually lucky to pick
such a word for my book becauseit wasn't grabbed yet Yeah, it's an
unusual word, and I actually thoughtthat it was pretty clear. So how

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it happened. And you know,when you write a book, you first
write a book and then you comeup with the title for that. Well,
at least that's a classical way ofdoing it. I actually found the
word somewhere on the internet after thebook manuscript was ready, and when I
saw it, it just clicked intoplace. I was trying to find the
perfect title until I saw this word, and this word kind of made it

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all clear to me. But asI have been talking about it, I
realized that a lot of people don'tunderstand what it means, or misunderstand it
or misread it. So people haveasked me about being flawless or the pressures
of always being awesome, So Ithink the conversation is maybe a little unusual.
So the book is about in essence, about the fact that we are
imperfect, and rather than being ashamedof our imperfections or shrinking from them,

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it makes sense to look your dragonsin the eye and see how you can
turn your imperfections in your flaws tobecome your big assess. It's that's a
wonderful idea. So how do peopledo that. It's a process. You
see, we get to this pointin our life, wherever we are,
we will have probably different points inour life thinking along the same patterns.
And one of the patterns that wehave as a society in general is that,

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you know, we have to improveourselves. And by improving, we
mean we have to take things wellwhich we're bad at and start working on
them. So we never even allowthe or permit the thought that those things
that I think my weaknesses may beactually turned from being my curses to becoming
my blessings. And it's a process. It requires a whole bunch of skills

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and some practice and some training,because the first step you have to be
courageous to face your dragons, toface your darkness, to face your dark
side or your weakness, your imperfections. Tolerance for personal perfections is very different
in people. There are people whoare quite happy to recognize the imperfections,
and then there are loads of usperfectionists. We might recognize our imperfections,

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but we would never, for thelove of life show them to the world.
So we'd rather present our polished facadeof the world, and then that
those who don't even believe that theyhave any flaws imperfections. So that's the
first step. But then from therethe whole journey begins because there are so
many reasons why we wouldn't face thosedragons, and then if we do a

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lot of people are attempted to slaythe dragons. But that's not what I
talk about. So, yeah,it's a process, it's a journey.
It's interesting to so who defines whatis a flaw? I knew these people,
I knew this couple. This womanfilled every single silence with words like
she never stopped talking ever, andher husband never taught. And you can
like which one has the flaw?I mean, I know they should probably

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meet in the middle somewhere, Butdo you recognize the flaw if you talk
too much to recognize it's a flaw, if you don't talk at all,
or is what if I'm reacting tothe other, Well, that's definitely true
because even if we look on theopposite side of that, humans, we
generally have this tendency to want tobe a better version of ourselves. So
there is a picture of what itmeans to be the best version of me
or the perfect version of me,and that is also very different from person

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to person. For some people it'smaybe muster, if some people it's success
in another way, So the samewith all the flaws. You know,
some people define perfectionism as their flaw. Well, I think for a lot
of people, for perfectionism is morelike a badge of honor rather than a
flaw. Now, the question,which is probably a little bit more controversial,
is where do you draw the linebetween accepting your flaws and refusing to

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grow, evolve and become better.And that's the fear that a lot of
people say the same, Do Ihave to accept all my flaws? What
if I don't move? If Ieat junk? You know, the typical
culprits. It's very important to understandthe difference between our destructive patterns or say
damaging behaviors versus intrinsic parts that wehave. So a very simple surface example

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would be smoking is more of adestructive pattern or bad behavior, destructive behavior,
whereas addictive personality maybe just your typeof personality that you can't cure yourself
from that you can learn to livewith that or deal with that. Interesting
just to understand that additive personality maybe a slippery, slow, because on

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one side of the spectrum of addictionsis let's say alcohol or smoking or whatever
it is drugs. On the otherside of that is actually meditation, yoga,
exercising, sports work. So theseare expressions of in essence addictable personality.
A lot of us are that Ido have that for sure. I
get very easily dragged into things whereyou know, the lines blur. So

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there is a difference between you workingon your patterns and your behaviors and your
habits which you can change definitely.That's what personal growth industry is about,
versus trying to slay a part ofyou which is integral, which makes you
what you are. So what doyou think are the origins of perfectionism?
Why do people think that that isbeing perfect is like the best thing?

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Well, I think I think thereare so many perfectionists in the world that
I wouldn't be able to say foreveryone, And I'm sure there are different
paths that we get to that.In my case, for example, I
identify as perfectionists. I was bornin Soviet Union and an incredibly idealistic society,
and actually grew up in Soviet Union, so that society is was expecting
perfection on many levels. I studiedreally well. I actually got a whole

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bunch of metals when I finished school. I'm the only child of my parents,
I'm ambitious, so all things thatled me eventually to the situation where
perfection was the only possible goal.And the problem with perfectionism is not really
the high bar, because high baris actually cool, it's not bad.
But the problem with perfectionism is thatanything less than perfect is considered a failure.

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And that means that if you're numberone, it's cool, but if
you're number three, you're a failure, and that would be also half the
problem. The real problem is thatperfectionists have really low tolerance for failure.
It's so painful to fail, sorather than failing, what we do is
that we try to stay comfortably successful. My theory is that if you can
increase your tolerance towards failure to what'syour personal imperfections, it's so much easier

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to truly go out and challenge yourselfand achieve things in the world. What's
so funny because Apple Computers. SteveJobs, what I've heard and read about
him, he was such a perfectionistright, and he wore the same clouse
every day, so that was onelast decision he had to make right.
Everything had to be perfect. Buthe actually drove everybody around him crazy.
He drove them so crazy that theyfired him from his own company, and

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then the lack of leadership in hisstyle didn't work, so they had to
bring him back. So it's perfectionismcertainly served a purpose. But I think
perfectionism is great. Like I lovegoing to someone's house where everything's perfect and
they do the perfect dinner. Imean, that's just like list to me.
But in some cases it can betaken a little too far, fe
because other people aren't going to meetup to your expectations no matter what.

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Right. You know, there's thiswonderful saying that you're not happy because everything
is perfect. Everything becomes perfect whenyou're happy. And this is one of
the paradigms that perfectionists have, whichthey don't understand that their happiness doesn't depend
on perfection. It's really hard tobe in the vicinity of perfectionists. I'm
a perfectionistand and I know that I'ma really tough person to be around because

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the thing is that our relationship withthe world is a reflection of our relationship
with ourselves. So when I saythat perfectionists have low tolerance of failure or
personal imperfections, that is true totheir world. So it's really hard for
perfectionist to see someone not trying onehundred and twenty percent for the perfection.

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It's really hard for perfectionists to tolerateany kind of imperfection in their environment,
and that's really tough on our lovedones. So Christie, what motivated you
to write this book? Well,I'm a writer, and writers right,
I think you're sing and dance itis done. That's my way of self
expression. You know. I didn'ttry to book about becoming flawsome. I've

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just sat down to write a bookand as I was writing it, I
figured out where I angle. Sothat was my case and maybe that's my
artistic background, but very often selfof expression happens in that same way.
I used to do art when Iwas a child, and I remember we
had those annual appraisals, so allour teachers would look at our art pieces

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and say what they think about them. And it was so exciting because I
would just create art and then atthe end of the year I'd find out
what actually wanted to say with thathard because all those critics so are the
things that were subconscious to me.So I think that book was in a
way similar to Journey. It's veryunconventional, it's very different from regular nonfiction
books. So maybe it's a littlecliche, but I just channeled something out

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of myself onto the paper. Passageto the profit is about entrepreneurs and entrepreneurism.
Do you see any connection between perfectionismand entrepreneurism and what can entrepreneurs do
if they are perfectionists? You know, perfectionism is not really a diagnosis,
so it's a little hard to say. You know who is perfectionist who is
not, and a lot of peopleassociated with that. Now I have been

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in business for twenty years, soI consider myself entrepreneur perfectionist entrepreneurs, But
a lot of entrepreneurs that I know, at least on the surface, they
don't look anything back perfectionists. Ithink, considering that entrepreneurship is in essence
creativity and risk taking. There isno space for perfectionists. Perfection is about
you know, it's about crofts.You can do perfect crofts if you do

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ought. There has to be spaceforever for the stroke of genius, which
doesn't happen in the Hamsters wheel.So I think if you are a perfectionist
entrepreneur, it's really good to facethe truth and to put the systems in
place to prevent perfectionists from stopping you. Well, that's really true, because
you're not going to find perfectionism fromthe other people that you have to work

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with. Well, I mean inthe legal profession, and perfectionism is sort
of ther rigor. I mean,it's really expected if you write a brief
and file it with the coordinate ashypographical errors or spelling errors or anything,
you would definitely be judged by othersin the profession in not a positive light.
I'm not saying that that's necessarily healthyor the people who are involved in

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it. Eventually, you train yourselfright to be careful and to avoid those
kinds of mistakes. But it isa kind of perfect actionism, you know,
I would actually suggest, because perfectionismis a personal and ittreat in essence,
but I would actually suggest maybe lookat it as you know, attention
to detail, being meticulous, beingimpeccable, having high expectations of let's say
comfort, or this kind of approachbecause it is important which words we use,

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and perfections is that kind of harnesson you which doesn't let you express
yourself fully. So I am absolutelyfor high standards, for high bar for
being attentive to details. But wealso can't tie our happiness to perfection because
that's never going to happen. Soyou're seeing a distinction between high standards and
perfectionism. Yes, and so isperfectionism then more of an attitude? Is

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it more of a frame of mind? There's always a question why do you
need that perfection? Is that soyou feel better? Or there is an
actual logical reason why something has tobe perfect. If you are sending something
out in the space, then probablycalculations have to be perfect A lot of
times. The problem with fectionists wedon't know the boundaries. So one thing,

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Okay, I might expect centers outof my work, but then I
would expect my children perfect and everythingthey do, the decisions, their choices,
their studies. That's a lot ofpressure. So how can somebody who
suspects themselves of being a perfectionist ormaybe as a perfectionist as a certain area,
how can they identify sort of thebehaviors that they're engaging and that are

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counterproductive, and then what can theydo about it? You know? Actually,
in my book, I don't talkabout perfectionists so much. Perfectionism is
just this one flaw, or I'llcall them dragons, which is very easy
to admit. People usually have noshame in saying, oh, I'm perfectionist,
even if it does prevent them fromdoing certain things. In my studies
are much I go much deeper intothe dark side of human of human essence,

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and I invite people to talk aboutother flaws and imperfections that they have.
For men, for example, theversion of perfectionism is being strong,
being perceived as strong and successful asyou know, as the guy who has
it all together, and that's aslightly different conversation from perfectionist per se.
So the question that I want peopleto ask is what are those things that

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make you shrink or make you feelless than worthy right now? Can you
look them in the eye, canyou face them? Can you admit that
you have it? And what doyou do? What is your choice to
do with them? I do believethat people usually know the truth inside.
The problem with us is that we'renot taught to listen to ourselves, which
is one thing, but also trustourselves. The paradigm in which we live

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is that people are lazy and stupid, and if you believe in that,
then obviously, whenever you have anykind of hunch, you say no,
no, no, no, thatcan't be true. You know, if
I'm told that I have to workhard to achieve success and I have to
work on my weaknesses and I reallysuffer from that, then that's because I'm
lazy and stupid, not because somewhereinside me there is a truth which I
refuse to listen to. So theconversation has to start with well, if

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we go a few steps back,then obviously everything has to start with the
habit of awaren because awareness opens youreyes to the reality. Then we need
some very basic skills in emotional intelligence, because you are going to uncover things
which are unpleasant, and we needto know how to deal with painful emotions,
and we normally are not very goodat that. And then we go
into heavy duty work, which isbeing honest with yourself. And that's not

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as straightforward as it seems. Thehardest thing for us to admit is that
we actually live in an illusion.And what I've noticed because I've thought that
for years that the more delusional peopleare, the less they're willing to admit
that they sometimes lie to themselves,that sometimes they don't know the truth and
sometimes they are wrong. And that'sjust the beginning of the journey. You

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definitely need kindness so that you don'teat yourself alife in that process. Kindness
and compassion, and you need courage. And as I keep saying, it's
the journey, it's a journey.It's a journey because it is you know,
new habits, new patterns, needsome time to be impressed. Is
that what you do at mind Valley. At mind Valley, I'm a found
and I'm an entrepreneur in mind valuecontext and I used to do a lot

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of marketing for a long time.Mind Value is probably the world's biggest online
platform for personal growth and transformation education. So we work with some of the
world's best teachers in that field.So anything which is not taught in academic
institutions but important for life be itsrelationships, you know, spirituality, intuition,
even and I became an author graduallyhaving worked in that industry for a

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long time. That's great. Morepassage profit and our guest Christina man Blaciani.
Right after this, I Merchured yourHeart founder of Your Heart Law.
We specialize in patents, trademarks andcopyrights. You can find out more and
learn more about trademarks dot com.We love working with entrepreneurs and helping their
businesses grow. And here's our client, Rickie to tell it like it is.

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Hi. I'm Ricky Frano, founderand CEO of Prime six. We
manufacture high performing, clean and sustainablefuels like charcoal and logs. We've been
working with your Heartlofts since beginning,really and they've helped us figure out the
trademarks, the patents, everything thathas to do with product development and how
to protect our inventions. And we'reextremely grateful for the wonderful team that has

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been supporting our business since day.Want thank you, Rickie. To learn
more about trademarks, go to learnmore about trademarks dot com and download our
free Entrepreneurs Guide to Trademarks, orbook a free consultation with me to discuss
your patent and trademark needs. That'slearn more about trademarks dot com for your
free booklet about trademarks and a freeconsultation. No back to passage to profit

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once again. Richard and Elizabeth Gearhart. We have with us Christina man Blaciani
talking about her new book, BecomingFlosom Right, And I think one of
the premises is that just by acknowledgingour flaws, we become happier, we
become sort of more in touch withour authentic self, right, I mean
that's really the purpose of this,right, And by being closer to authentic

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self than we can cope better withlife challenges and appreciate ourselves more. Is
that right? Well, definitely youwill feel happier, and it's so much
easier to live your life if youdon't have to pretend to be anything.
But my favorite illustration of the resultsof reading my book, for example,
would be from a movie X Men. I hope you guys have seen it.

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There is this character, Mystique,and she's dark blue, like very
alien looking with the red hair.But most of the movie she moves around
as this young, beautiful woman.And there is this one dialogue she has
with her friend Slash Nemesis where hetells her, while you're trying to look
like you do this blonde, beautifulwoman, like, while you're trying to
be something, someone else, you'retaking away very necessary attention from the things

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that truly matter that could save yourlife. And at that, I think,
what is the much more important resultof working with your darkness. It's
not that you will feel better andhappier. It actually gives you the power.
It's an empowering shift. It givesyou the fortitude to believe in yourself
confidence. I guess right. Weare all stronger, so were most powerful
and our most valuable to the worldwhen we can embrace ourselves the way we

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are and stop devorating that important attentionfrom things which matter to just holding up
facades and being liked or you know, being pleasant to others. How do
you embrace who you are? Youhave to revisit all those experiences in your
life which are uncomfortable and try torefrain them. And here I need to

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make a step back again. Thereis this one very fails saying that we
love that what doesn't kill you makesyou stronger. And why I say it
fails because we see more examples ofthat not being true than it being true.
Because if what didn't kill us madeus stronger, we'd be surrounded by
a lot of beautiful, strong individualsin reality. What doesn't kill you can
sky, you can traumatize, youcan wound, you can make you less

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of yourself, but can make youbuild thicker, higher walls. So your
experiences only lead to transformation if they'recoupled with proper strain work or proper ideas,
and of course support support from yourenvironment. So very often those things
that make a shrink they make ashrink because some very unpleasant emotions and comfortable

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emotions are tied to those experiences.And very often even the most painful experience,
if you reframe it, or ifyou look at it from the point
of view, what does it tellme about me? About my values,
for example, or about the thingsthat I have in my life? And
I'm not talking about potting on roasttinted glasses, but just looking at your
painful experiences from the point of view, what does it teach you about you

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and your values and your essence thathelps you understand them in a very different
way. So embracing your flaws isnot just saying, oh, whatever,
I love myself like I am now, it's actually seeing the value in the
things that make you shrink. Verysimple, superficial, not super painful.
Example, I have a bizarre accent, but which I've been criticized a lot.

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I've had people walked off the room, out of the room when I
speak because they don't understand my accent. Now for me to embrace my accent
and to stop feeling ashamed and tryingto put on something else, I needed
to realize that it comes from mypast, well, from my life.
From the past in my life andmy past life, my peculiar background,

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which actually also gives me the wayI see the world, my belief system,
you know, my understanding of theworld. So there is value in
it, and that is, Iguess the tricky part to actually reframe your
experience and see the value rather thanjust superficially try to convince yourself that you'll
find yourself the way you are.Just start taking your life as it comes

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with a dose of introspection. Youknow, when things happen when you're not
happy with yourself, just slow downand ask what's going on? Why do
I feel this way? What doesit tell me about me and about my
values? Do you recommend any kindof journaling or any type of way of
recording your parts part of this journal. There are a lot of skills that

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you would need, especially if you'rea newtub personal growth. One of them
is the awareness, because it allstarts with awareness. I could go on
along talk about that. I wouldalso recommend journaling, especially journaling when it
comes to your feelings, emotions,experiences in life. You know your thoughts,
so rather than just journal about theevent, but how did you experience
your day? Because that brings togethertwo things. First of all, journaling

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is it's proven by research that ithelps you process painful, traumatic emotions.
The second thing is that if youjournal in an very introspective way, like
what happened to me? Why didI feel the way I felt? Why
did I think the way I thought? It adds the habit of that introspection
that I keep talking about because Ido believe that your relationship with the world
is the reflection of your relationship withyourself. So if you want to improve

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that relationship outwards, you should beasking yourself why am I feeling the way
I do? And just one littleword of advice on top of that,
try to do it with curiosity ratherthan judgment. Makes a huge difference.
One of the wonderful teachers and writers, Susan David She says discomfort is the
price of admission to meaningful life,and not everything is there for a reason.

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In fact, saying that everything happensfor a reason is also a slippery
slow So, for example, mymom two years ago lost her sister to
COVID. It is a painful experiencewhich doesn't have anything to make you think
that you know it's for a reason, it's for the better, it's not.
But it is the moment to begrateful for the fact that you've had
this person in your life, butthe experiences that you've had with that person,

(29:29):
it's just that reminder that whenever youknow, if we have pain,
that means we've had meaning, we'vehad love, we've had something that mattered
to us. So not every experienceis going to make you feel better,
but every experience is a chance foryou to see your life the way it's
unfolding, and what's beautiful in itor what was beautiful in it. Another
example was when a year ago awar started on our borders. I live

(29:51):
in Estonia. I'm in Estonia rightnow. I was scared. Everybody in
my country was scared. We wereso scared it was hard to live.
There was huge anxiety until one momentrealize that there is no certainty in life.
The only thing I have is thispresent moment. So sometimes these experiences,
which are painful, are reminded forus to save what we have,
what we haven't lost yet. That'sreally profound. I think you're right,

(30:12):
and I don't like it when somebodyelse tries to put their vision of perfectionism
on me. And I feel likesome things that about me that people think
are flaws, I don't consider flaws. Usually when people have any problems with
you, it's more about them thanabout you. And that kind of brings
us to the topic of self love. So you talk about self love in
your book, can you explain inyour opinion what self love is? You

(30:34):
know, when it comes to selflove, it's another dangerous toffy because if
I talk about that in very shortterms, it will be superficial and it's
understood the same way like you know, embracing your flaws. Does that mean
maybe I'm imperfect? But just youknow, I take myself take me too.
No, it's much deeper. Whatthe same thing that self love.
Self love for me is about yourrelationship with yourself, and when it comes

(30:56):
to any kind of relationship in lifeour golden and it is love. You
know, we're supposed to love ourpartners, our friends, our children.
We are supposed to love ourselves too, unconditionally, if possible, effortlessly.
That's again something which we as asociety don't understand very often. We mistake
self love for selfishness, for selfobsession, for indulgence, which all are

(31:19):
distortions of self love and come fromthe lack of it rather than the abundance
of that. So I think theeasiest example would be I usually have a
glass of water with me when Ispeak, but today I am left it
somewhere. An easiest example would bea glass of water. You know,
a glass is the vest of wateris love. So self love is the
water which is in the glass.If your glass is full, you can't

(31:40):
pour anything from outside. Usually whenpeople need love of their environment, you
know, admiration, love me,take care of me, make me feel
special, is because they can't giveit to themselves. That's why you can
pour more water in that glass,so we start sucking up love from outside.
So for me, self love isabout healthy relationship with yourself. It
is like any relationship. It's commitment. It's awareness, it's being present,

(32:02):
it's being willing to love yourself theway you are real, imperfect, before
you become perfect. There is researchthat says that eighty five percent of contemporary
adults have low self esteem. Selfesteem is, in essence, well one
of the symptoms of the lack ofself slub and self respect. Now,

(32:22):
a lot of entrepreneurs make a hugemistake thinking that they don't have time for
bad, fluffy stuff because I havebusiness on my hands, art, my
revenue is more important, isn't iteconomic crisis more important? So we very
often think that we have problems inbusiness. In reality, what happens is
that we have problems in our privatelife which translate or project onto our business.
And your well being or your relationshipwith yourself is primary and maybe if

(32:47):
you remember yourself back I do notknow ten, fifteen, twenty years ago,
when you were starting your first business, you were this bright eyed person.
Nothing, nothing would take you offthe track because you actually felt good
about what you were doing a lotof us business people what we do,
and we do a huge mistake.We let ourselves get so sucked into our

(33:07):
mundane problems without realizing that our wellbeing is actually the foundation of our ability
to deal with those problems. Thereare no big problems, there are small
you. So in business this isreally a crucial skill because business is about
failing. Yes, we do makemoney by what by making mistakes, by
failing over and over again. Ifyou are afraid of failure, if you

(33:29):
think that you do need to deserveyour love by accomplishments. There are so
many consequences of not loving yourself inbusiness. It's the impostive syndrome. It's
the feeling that your success it isphony, is not real, it's not
sustainable, it's overworking, it's burningout. It's all from thinking that you
do not deserve your own self loveand respect. People say in the past

(33:50):
that, well, the amount ofmoney you make is a reflection of your
worth. I don't agree with that. I agree it's a simplest thing saying.
It is definitely reflecting how much valueyou're capable of offering to the world,
where they're also willing to pay forit. Obviously, it's not quite
true, because our children give ussuch amazing value. Our loved ones do,
so it is a little bit simplistic, and it's reflective of our consumerist

(34:15):
society obsessed with achievements. I agreewith you, it's not true in business.
Yes, you do need to valuewhat you have to give to the
world, and I would only applythat thing in the situations where people are
afraid to ask for money for whatevervalue they are offering. But attaching yourself
to that idea is dangerous. Andsince we are on that, you know,

(34:37):
twenty years in personal growth and transformationtold me one thing there are no
absolutes in life. There is nofun size. If it's all that,
there are no recipes. Christina manBlakiani the co founder of mind Belly and
also has a new book coming out, Becoming Philosophy More Passage Profit. Right
after this, Hi, I leastto ask LEAs the inventors founder CEO in

(34:59):
present of inventing a tow Z.I've been inventing products for over thirty eight
years, hundreds of products later anddozens of patents. I help people develop
products and put them on the marketfrom concept to fruition. I bring them
to some of the top shopping networksin the world QBC, HSN, E,
Vineline and retail stores. Have youever said to yourself, someone should

(35:22):
invent that thing. Well, Isay, why not make it you.
If you want to know how todevelop a product from concept to fruition the
right way, contact me Lisa Ascalis, the Inventress. Go to inventing atoz
dot Com inventing a too z dotCom. Email me Lisa at inventing a
too z dot Com. Treat yourselfto a day shop full of networking,

(35:44):
education, music, shopping and fun. Go to my website Inventing atoz dot
Com. Passage to Profit continues withRichard and Elizabeth Gearhart. We just had
an amazing discussion with Christina Mandlaciani becomingawesome and lots of really great information,
a lot of things to think abouttoo. So well, I think she's

(36:06):
absolutely right. The only way youcan really be a success in life is
if you really work on yourself andcare about yourself and see yourself or who
you are. And that's a continuingjourney because I've been at it a long
time. Onto Elizabeth and her projects. Get us up to date. Okay,
So I have a couple of thingsgoing on. One is Blue Streak

(36:28):
Directory and Blue Streak Directory unleashes thepower of video for small businesses. It's
a directory of small businesses using video, and I haven't done a soft launch
yet. I kind of played aroundwith it during COVID, but it was
in a totally different form than itis now. So I'm not going to
say a lot about it other thanI'm working on it. I'm making strategic
partnerships, which is very cool.That will be a lot of help.

(36:50):
So I continue to work on thatand I'm pretty excited. I'm gonna go
out networking more and I'm going totalk to people about it when i'm networking.
Have a couple of events coming up, so it's going to be fun.
My other project is something I'm doingwith Danielle Woolly. It started from
a sick kitten and I went fromVette to Vette to Vete over eight or
nine months. So while I wasgoing through this, Richard made the suggestion

(37:14):
He said, why don't you reachout to a community, And I said,
I know those Facebook communities, butthat doesn't seem the right place.
So I said, well, maybeI'll start a podcast. The universe was
with me because the next day ata conference, I met Danielle Woolley and
I had kind of known her,and I suggested it to Danielle and she
said, why work with cat rescues? That sounds like fun. Why don't
we do a podcast together? Well, little did I know at the time

(37:36):
that Danielle is incredibly tech savvy andwas able to do a lot of stuff.
So we'll kind of split the work. So we have the podcast called
The Jersey Podcasts. We hit fivehundred downloads. We started it late last
year, at the very end ofDecember, we've hit five hundred downloads.
Now we have people come on andtalk about their cats and we're just having
a blast. It's so much fun. But we're also building this community where

(37:59):
we want to embrace people of alltypes and ignore their flaws as much as
we can, to Christina's point.So those are my two projects that I'm
moving forward. So enough about me. Now, I want to go to
our next guest. We have hadher on the show before. Tisa Harster
is a certified medium. I meanthat she went through a scientific process and

(38:22):
she is the real thing. AndI'm just so excited to have her back
because the last time we had gotinto such great conversations. So welcome Tisa.
Hi, thank you for having meagain. Yeah, so you have
the Angel campaign, So why don'tyou tell our audience who didn't hear the
show, you're wrong before what you'redoing. I do a lot of different
kinds of things. As you mentioned, I'm a certified medium, so I

(38:44):
do help people connect with past lovedones. But I'm also a life coach
and spiritual therapist and motivational speaker,public speaker. I actually do a lot
of that all over the United States, and I'll have certain topics to ending
on what my hosts are looking for. That kind of flows with the topic

(39:05):
of their conference. And so theAngel campaign is just about like bringing peace,
bringing light, bringing healing, bringinglove, whatever really people seek me
out for, because I see peoplefrom every walk of life, every hierarchy,
every religion, every background possible,and they all have unique reasons for
contacting me. In the department ofspiritual therapy, I do it all.

(39:29):
Wow, So what is spiritual therapy. Here's a good example. It's the
best way to maybe explain this.So let's say I have somebody that reaches
out that's struggling with addiction issues orsuicidal thoughts. I help them spiritually get
themselves to a healthy place. Becausesometimes psychological therapy or counseling or it's not

(39:49):
helping them like there's spiritual or energeticblocks that could come from childhood traumas or
an abusive relationship is something that emotionallyaffected them so deeply it's just like embedded
in them spiritually and it cannot getpast it. Spiritual therapy is helping the
wounds of the soul, not themind. I believe in good therapy counseling,

(40:15):
but sometimes people carry wounds in theirsoul that they need help with.
Absolutely, because I do think thatthere are different levels. I think there's
the mind. I think there's thespirit. I think there's the psyche,
and I think all those things canbe affected in ways we don't understand,
like from one more little right,You're absolutely right, and I have had
clients right to me, and Ihave testimonials that have said, like,

(40:37):
I've been seeing my therapist for sevenyears and feel more enlightened after five sessions
because we're doing her therapist and meare doing two different jobs, working with
two different parts of that being.Christina, do you have a question or
comment for Tissa. I think it'sa wonderful way to approach approach to wounds
from different aspect because I'm so muchin my I really appreciate when you know,

(41:01):
when there are people who can workwith the things which are my shortcomings.
So yeah, I think it's it'sa really valid approach to healing of
wounds. I appreciate that. Ienjoyed it. Tell me a little bit
about your spirituality, I guess,and how that kind of interacts with the
patients that you work with. SoI am a non denominational Saved Christian.

(41:22):
The ability I have I was bornthis way. I didn't learn it somewhere,
and I've always had this connection toHeaven I would call it. And
that's what I work with how Iwork. So let's say somebody comes to
see me. It's almost like I'mbeing shown. I can just see it.
It's like you're watching a movie ofand receiving memories that aren't yours,

(41:43):
and I know they're not mine.I know it's about the person I'm sitting
with. Obviously, I tell themwhat I'm receiving, and I'm receiving it
from source, and then I justkind of am the medium, the go
between. It's hard to explain becauseno two readings or sittings are the same.
I do sessions on people all overthe world. Can you explain a
little bit what the certification was.Yes. So it's a series of tests

(42:06):
for six weeks and they're pretty difficult. It's five tests a week for six
weeks, and if you don't passone of these tests, you don't move
on. You're immediately disqualified. Sothere's no room for error. And these
tests are kind of like remote viewing. They'll give you a remote viewing test
and ask you to describe objects orplaces you haven't been, and then whatever
you say is fact checked on thespot. They already know what they're asking.

(42:30):
They had me listen to tapes ofvoices all reading the same script,
so like I had five people ona audio and they read a story to
me, and then I would haveto read that person based just on their
voice. Wow, So they didn'tlike all tell me a different story.
Another test was black and white picturesfrom maybe the eighteen hundreds of people that

(42:54):
they would tell me like a informationthat they wanted specifically about them, Like
hold the picture up and say,how did this individual pass away. They're
pretty difficult, only eight mediums ayear even pass it. As what I
was told. I enrolled myself inthis not because I needed to because nobody
could tell me if I had thisor not. I know I have it.

(43:15):
I just think medium has been verytaboo throughout time. What I do
has been seen as taboo, andI think people that maybe are seeking out
spiritual healing or peace really don't knowwho they can trust. So I really
did this for other people, tolet other people know I would be a
safe choice if they hired me orsought me out right. Do you have

(43:37):
any experiences with any people that reallyimpacted you or a state in your mind
or that you would want to talkabout that were really intense. Yeah,
I just had a somebody like that. The other day, I was working
event at Gaza in Courtlane where Ilive. At Gaza Ranches, pretty big
deal where I'm from, just becausethat's where a lot of celebrities live,

(43:59):
you know, Mark Walls there,everyone's there. Everybody's there, and they
host these events that I read at. And a lady, a tennis player,
lady who's never seen a medium.She sat down in front of me
and she said, I don't reallyknow if I believe in any of this,
but I'm here, and I said, I feel a father here for
you, and he keeps saying Junebug, and she said that that's the name

(44:22):
he called her. Her whole lifewas Junebug. And then I had told
her that something about his birthday wascoming up, and she said, it's
tomorrow his birthday was so things likethat where she sat down not a believer
and walked away a believer. BecauseI'm of evidential medium, so I can
provide evidence that people just couldn't knowthose things without knowing you. So do

(44:45):
they ask you questions for messages?They can't, they're loved ones that have
passed her. They can ask meif somebody's contacting me, I'm you know,
obviously I asked them what type ofreading they want, because I give
many different types, like back tothe spiritual therapy is that has nothing to
do with loved ones on the otherside. That has to do with your

(45:06):
soul, and I can help youin a heavenly way with that. So
it just depends. And sometimes alot of people see me for both,
like they initially become a client ofmine to connect somebody on the other side,
and then lo and behold, they'relike, you know, I'm having
this health issue or I have apoor relationship with my daughter and I can't
figure out what's going on between us. Things like that. So a lot

(45:27):
of my life coaching clients bleed over, Wow. How much of what happens
to us do you think is attributableto the spiritual part of ourselves? Do
you feel like the soul of predominatesover our biology? For example? To
a degree? I think we havefree will, and our free will is
not violated spiritually A lot. Sometimesyou just have difficult experiences and there's no

(45:52):
real reason why. In my lineof work, there usually is some sort
of soul contract or soul lesson oursole agreement to have that experience. Nothing
in these lives are really new tous, and that's where deja vu comes
in for people. That's what dejavu is. It's the sole recollection of
what it already knew before it washere. So then when it's playing out
in physical time, you're like,hey, I feel like I've been here.

(46:15):
That's more of a remembrance of whatyou already knew you signed up for.
That's interesting. I know this womannamed Heidi Rome and she's written a
book too. She has a veryseverely autistic son, so that he can't
even talk but he told her allyou have to do is love me,
which is a really healing message forparents or anybody who's trying to help somebody

(46:36):
who's suffering. But he also toldher that he knew he was coming into
this, that he chose it,but he didn't know it was going to
be so hard. I have workedwith people in coma's families have brought me
in for people that our life supportor commas or don't have the ability to
speak, and I've helped in thatway. I relay a message like you

(46:57):
just said, and they're all differentmessages. You're all right those kind of
hardships martyrs, if you will alot of time, the soul does incarnate
into that body with the understanding thatthat's its path already. I'm trying to
help people realize that self care andsoulcare are not the same things. You
know, we are not superhumans.We need both soul care and self care

(47:20):
to have fulfilling lives. And selfcare is about self like getting your nails
done or taking a bubble bath,where soul care is about connection, connection
to your interviewing. And I thinkit's the most overlooked part of self care.
People can find you at the angelcampaign dot com. Is that the
best place or my Instagram? TisaHarster, Well, thank you, Tisa.

(47:42):
That was really a great segment.I really appreciate that. Thank you.
Yeah. So now we're on toour next presenter, Lee Barnathon,
who is a ghost writer, andit looks like he's written some pretty intense
stuff for people, so welcomely.Tell us about what you do. Well.
I start arted in newspaper journalism andI loved it. I did it

(48:04):
for sixteen and a half years,but as you know, that industry died
and I moved on to technical writing, but it wasn't nearly as creative and
didn't give me the same joy thatI got from journalism. And then I
started striking out on my own asa general copywriter, writing websites and speeches
and resumes and blogs, and Icame across the law of diminishing returns because
being all things to all people didn'tgive me the same rewards as I got

(48:28):
when I was a journalist. Andthen, while I was self employed,
a Philadelphia area school teacher asked meto ghost write his book. He had
this story about how he had amysterious heart ailment that put him in a
coma for sixteen days, at whichtime his family was basically being told say
goodbye to him, get his affairsin order, but instead he woke up
and he recovered fast enough to startthe next semester. His coma began in

(48:52):
May, and he started the nextSeptember. That I thought was a great
story, but it allowed me todo all of the investigative work I loved
when I was doing journalism, andwriting long form stories was always something that
I really like to do. Andwhen I was done, the emotional reward
of helping this guy held his storyoutweighed anything else I ever did, and

(49:14):
it made me realize this is whyI went into journalism in the first place,
to get at deeper truths and tellcompelling, memorable stories. That's great.
So what types of stories do youwork on? What types of projects
do you ghost write for? Ifocus on memoirs and business books and expository

(49:34):
essays. I don't really do fiction, even though I have edited fiction.
I spend more time again from journalismnonfiction. How do you find your clients
or how do your clients find you? There are a wide variety of ways
I do a lot of outreach bothon LinkedIn my blog and cold outreach,
where I identify people who need ghostwriters. For example, all you people who

(49:58):
are public speakers, a book increasesyour value. If you're an adjunct professor,
a book increases your value. Andif you've written a business book,
you might have fans and people whoare really interested in what you've written and
they want to know how did youget to where you are now? With
these great insights that you provided inyour business book, you can tell your

(50:21):
story in the form of a memoir, and I reach people through just me
querying them to find out are youinterested? Do you have this on your
radar? Have you considered writing abook? Eighty one percent of people think
they have a book in them,and yet ninety seven percent of people who
start a book never finish it.How do you work with somebody who has

(50:44):
a memoir? What is the processof working with them? Why? It's
a long process, But I startwith a screening interview and I have to
ask this person three key questions.Why do you want to write the book,
what's the story? And what preventsyou from writing it? And those
answers will help me determine if Iwant to work with them because I want
to work with people who have uniquestories to tell. I will turn down

(51:07):
certain people because their story doesn't speakto me. I don't see the benefit
of investing so much time to telltheir story. Sometimes they don't have a
good reason to write a book,and so I'll reject them for that reason.
But what prevents them from writing it? Usually it's because they're not a
writer. They don't think they havewhat it takes to be a writer,
they don't feel like they have thetime to invest or. They're just afraid

(51:30):
that they can't do it themselves.What are some of the reasons people give
for wanting a book that you kindof mesh with? Most people want to
write a book because they have astory that they just have to tell.
They think it's that important. Theythink that, you know, if they
don't get out of their head,they're going to regret it because it's going
to help a lot of people.And they know, deep in their soul

(51:51):
if people could just tap into theirwisdom, their lives would change for the
better. Interesting, Christina, doyou have a question or comment? Yeah?
That's Tally. I mean, yeah, we are in very similar business,
right, I have a question whatdo you do with stories which have
not had the time to digest forthe personnelity. What I'm asking this question

(52:12):
is the one of the top booksin Estonia last year was a book,
a memoir by a young man wholost his wife to cancer. And I
got this book as a gift.I tend to treat it, but it
was really well. I understand thevalue for him of expressing his self experiences,
but as a reader, I feltit was very, very raw,

(52:34):
and I would have enjoyed getting alittle bit more closure to that story.
So do you help your writers oryour sourced material to come to some kind
of palatable conclusion with their book ordo take take what they have to give?
It depends. Sometimes the story hasa logical conclusion, but sometimes it

(52:55):
hasn't ended yet, so the storyends with where they are are now.
I mean, for example, theproject that I'm working on now does have
a logical conclusion because this already happened. The woman married a psychopath, a
nonviolent psychopath who engaged in securities fraud, got arrested sur five years and he

(53:17):
had a girlfriend living a double lifeon the side. Well, she found
out, she divorced him, butbecause she engaged in this fraud while they
were still married. The state ofArizona came after her for the one point
four million dollars he built out ofinvestors. She doesn't have the money,
so she's suffering from PTSD because wellshe's gas light for tow many years and

(53:37):
she finds out he's got a squeezeon the side, so she has no
money to fight the state, representsherself eventually wins, gets the judgment overturn,
goes one step further and gets thelaw changed. Now that's a logical
ending because it's all happened. Butif you've watched movies and books are the
same way sometimes, you know,if this story and had a conclusion yet,

(54:00):
we would say, well, I'mstill suffering from PTSD, but I
got my judgment overturned. What's goingto happen next? Well, I don't
know. I'm going to keep workingI PTSD and that's the end. To
me, it sounds and I ofcourse didn't read the book or sing it,
but to me, it sounds likethe book may have needed a little
bit more editing, made more finetuning of who the audience was, who's

(54:21):
the target market for this book?To be able to get a clearer sense
of its effectiveness and how it couldhave been more effective. We definitely all
have stories, but sometimes you needsome closure to your experience and it's not
a spheological conclusion, but at leastcoming to pieces with that. So that's
why I'm asking, Because you're theperson who screens some of the authors and

(54:42):
says your story's worth telling. That'strue. I'm looking for the unique,
the memorable, the compelling, theinteresting, the difference. So where do
people sell their books? Do theysell them on Amazon? Do they make
hard copies out of them? Arethey digital that is at work once they
have the book from you. Theanswer is yes, they can do it
on Amazon. They can and throughAmazon, it can be done onto a
kindle, or it can be ahard copy. I mean, Christina,

(55:05):
your book is going to come outin various formats as I saw on Amazon.
People can have literary agents pushing thebook and can be published through one
of the Big five publishers, whichthen ends up in bookstores. Do people
ever just want to do the bookjust to have for like their families so
they can hand it down to theirkids and grandkids. Yeah. That Philadelphia

(55:25):
School teacher that I mentioned. Henever published his book. It's a family
history. It's it's on his desk, but it's nice to have it all
written out. How do you actuallywork with the people and get the story
out of them? I start byasking a lot of open ended questions,
you know, the ones that startwith who, what, where, when,
how, why, which is whata journalist does. But from those

(55:47):
questions comes the information that I neednow to your point, Sometimes they do
provide me with information, but there'sa lot of time that we spend developing
the outline line of the book,and that will cover all of the highlights,
and then we'll go back through theoutline and interview even more than I

(56:07):
did for the outline, and thatwill also require me sometimes have to talk
to other people to help flesh outthe story. You know, the author
has a viewpoint. Well, ifit's a memoir, if you don't get
other people involved, you end uphaving an unreliable narrator, and in a
nonfiction book, that's not a goodidea. What's your favorite story, I

(56:29):
mean, who's been your favorite client? It's the current one. Everybody I
speak to and I say, theyall have their mouths open. They go,
oh my god. They say,Wow, what a great story.
I can't wait to read it,and I tell them I can't wait to
finish writing it because we're still inthe writing process. Well that's great.
I would agree with you. Youcertainly fought my attention with that one,
but I'm glad that everything worked outfor in the end. Right. Be

(56:52):
kind of hard to read, though, because we've all had people in our
lives that are at least a littlebit that way and some a whole lot
that way, And like, Ithink i'd get pretty mad reading that book.
Well, she knows exactly who shewants to read that book, the
people who have been married to thesekinds of psychopaths. She's got her target
audience down, you know. Shewants to write this book and so these

(57:15):
other people will read it and say, oh, that's me. I can
overcome this too, or I alreadyhave. So she knows exactly what she's
doing and who she's writing for.That was really interesting. So, Lee,
are you taking clients now? Iam Lee Barnathan dot com, l
E B A r N A th A n dot com, but also

(57:37):
find me on LinkedIn search the samename Lee Barnathan I'm there and I'm ready
to talk to people. And don'tI sound like a salesman right now?
And we're all salespeople if we havebusinesses. So yes, you do.
But that's a good thing. It'snot a flot. I can take three
clients a year. I have one. I got room for two. Come

(57:58):
on, guys, you know youthe story to tell. You know you
want to do it. You knowyou want to tell them, and you
may not realize this that there isa world of difference between having the story
in your head and getting it downon paper, two different skill sets.
Absolutely, So we'll be back withmore passage profit and our guest Christina Mondlaciani

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right after this. I'm Richard Garhartof Gerhart Law. We specialize in patents,
trademarks and copyrights. We love workingwith entrepreneurs and here's our client,
Anya, to tell you what it'slike working with us. Anya. Hi,
I'm Anya, the founder of HappyBond, and we've been with Gerhart
Law for about six years. They'vefollowed our whole patent and trademark journey and

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were extremely happy that we had themat our site, especially because our product
is a pet collagen that has nowtwo patents. Thanks to them for the
joint of the pets and a newdog food that is extremely new and has
a process that is protected through theirhelp. We really have to thank them
for guiding us through the whole processand as a start up, made it

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possible for us to do that.Thank you, Anya So. To learn
more about patents, go to learnmore about patents dot com and download our
free entrepreneur's guide depends. That's learnmore about patents dot com. It's Passage
to Profit. Now it's time forNoah's retrospective. Noah Fleischmann is our producer

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here at Passage to Profit, andhe just has a way of putting his
best memories in perspective. I gotso scared when I was watching this great
movie on the Internet last night.Wasn't the movie that was scary, It
was what happened during the movie.While I was watching it, My Internet
started to act up, so thepicture started buffering a little bit. The
computer screen began to freeze up.I couldn't believe how scared I got.
What if my computer dies? Whatif I never have internet again? Turns

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out everything was fine, but itreally bothered me. How upset I suddenly
got You know, when I wasa kid, the TV was pretty important
in our home too, but myfolks knew how to take it in stride.
I'll never forget the night I wasfour years old. We were seated
around the television watching McLeod with DennisWeaver one night, and suddenly the picture
went completely black tube trouble. Wehad sound, but no picture. My
aunt, my mother, my uncle. These were not quiet people by nature,

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but there they were, seated silentlyaround this television with no picture.
I was just sitting there waiting forsomeone to say something. It was fascinating.
Finally my aunt reluctantly muttered, shouldn'tthere be a picture? Well,
we got the TV fixed and thecomputer came back and everything was fine.
As a friend of mine reminds me, worry never changed the outcome. You
just deal with it and you moveon. Now I can get back to

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watching that great movie on the Internetabout these people during the depression whose radio
broke. I'll never know how theysurvived. Now more with Richard and Elizabeth,
Passage to Profit, and we arewinding down here, it is time
for Question of the Week. Andso Elizabeth, what is our question for
our guests. Our question is who'syour favorite rock star? And we're going

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to start with Tissa. So Tisa. They're very concerned during the break that
somebody else might say it. Somereason decided to put her first, So
Tisa. Please. Elvis Presley,he's my favorite just because he had a
lot of highs and lows in hiscareers and he still gave a thousand percent.
Just good looking, good performer,good style, and really good music.

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I think, what's not to love? Favorite rock star? Well,
I wouldn't have stold him that forsure. I actually like rather indie music
and classical music, so I'm notsure if I can produce a rockstar name.
But if you have to have anAmerican name, it would be Iron
and Wine. It's a band ofthe history or the man the big history.

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Who was there Iron and Wine,I would say, and in Wine
Okay, I haven't heard of thoughnow I have. I said I like
indie. See it tells us somethingabout everybody. Lee Barnaton, who's your
favorite rock star? Bruce Springsteen.I've only seen him twenty five times,
including coming up in this December,and I'm looking very forward to this last

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go around. Wow, Well,the boss I have no Jersey. Gotta
gotta love the boss, that's forsure. Mine is the Beatles, I
mean, the greatest band of alltime. I first heard him when I
was under twelve years old and theystill sound good. I am going to
say Grace Slick because I love JeffersonAirplane and I love that they became Jefferson

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Starship. And she had a lotof great energy and a great voice.
Anyway, amazing episode and really lotsof things of the mind. I think,
you know, we have spirituality,we have understanding ourselves, and we
have telling our stories. So right, also related, right, So let
me go through the websites one moretime. Our guest was Christina Monolakiani and

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you can find her at christinamon dotcom, k r I stiamad dot com,
ormind Valley dot com and she hasa book called Becoming Fossil would you
can buy and if you haven't hada chance to check out mine Valley dot
com. They have some amazing programs. There really lots of oppertunit tunities for

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self growth and self development. Theproblem is there are so many good programs
you don't know which ones to pick. Then we had Jisa Harster who's a
certified medium with the Angel Campaign andyou can find the Angel campaign dot com
and she works with a lot ofcelebrities and she's really the real deal with
what she does. So you canask her about spiritual healing and all sorts

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of different things whatever comes to mindwhen you're walking with her. She's really
amazing. You're something of a mindreader too, because you always know what
I'm going to say and what Ido before I do it. Well,
do it either that or I'm becomingpretty predictable. I thought that she's becoming
predictable. And then we had LeeBarnathan, who is a ghost writer who
really is looking for interesting stories,helping people get what's in their head on

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the paper in a very captivating,fascinating way, and you can find him
at Lee Barnathan dot com, lE. B A R nata n dot
com. He is taking clients,so if you have a story in you
that you can't put on paper,Paulie, So before we go, I'd
like to thank the Passage to Profitteam, Noah Fleischman, our producer,

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Alicia Morrissey, our program director.Our podcasts can be found tomorrow anywhere you
find your podcast. Just look forthe passage to profit show and don't forget
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information on this program is believed tobe correct, never take a legal step
without checking with your legal professional first. Gear Heart Law is here for your

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patent, trademark and copyright needs.You can find us at gureheartlaw dot com
and contact us for a free consultation. Take care of everybody, Thanks for
listening, and we'll be back nextweek