Passage To Profit Two Scientists Race to Save Our Vanishing Microbes

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No'm Elizabeth Gerhart, not an attorneythat I have a couple of startups that
I do the marketing for your HeartLaw. Welcome to Passage to Profit Everyone,

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the show that's all about entrepreneurship,small businesses and the intellectual property that
helps them flourish. We have anamazing show for you. Two guests who
have been participants in an Emmy nominatedfilm called The Invisible Extinction. It's a
documentary about the microbiome. So joiningus our Marty Blazer, director of Advanced

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Biotechnology and Medicine at Rutgers University,and Maria Gloria Domingas Bello, who's also
a professor at the Department of Biochemistryand Microbiology at Rutgers University. And we
really look forward to talking with themabout the important information that they have about
the human microbio And then we're goingto switch gears a little because you know,
we like to mix it up onthis show. And we're gonna have

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leteas Rialfi with tent. If youwondered what people are doing with AI,
listen closely. And then we haveJasmine Mitchell with Jay Carmel's. Wow,
she's a baker. Go to hersite. You're gonna get hungry anyway.
You can hardly wait. Hungry,I can't wait. But before that,
we have IP in the news.And what is on IP in the news

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today? Time to partey. Fordhad a patent application published. It's not
a patent yeah, because they haveto fight for it at the patent office,
but they have an application published.So this is the Ford Motor Company.
Ford Motor Company where people can hookup all their car radios together and
make surround sound out in the parkinglot somewhere. Let me guess they're gonna
put all their car radios together andlisten to Passage of Profits. It was

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surround sound, Yeah, why not? But obviously this is intended to provide
entertainment for tailgates, for parties andall sorts of other things. And it
is pretty interesting that the technology allowsfor that. Now, right, It
is the other thing I think isthat car speakers have gotten so good that
it's like having a great speaker andit just happens to be in your car.

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So well, that was my nextquestion. I mean, I remember
car speakers in the doors of thecar, and they weren't very powerful and
they weren't very loud. You know, maybe now the technology is better that
we can handle these kinds of things. Well, they covered a lot of
bases. So whatever this app is, or however it's going to be controlled,
can unroll the window or open thedoor. There can be a control

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car. I guess there would haveto be a control car, right the
host So interesting technology coming down theroad. So, Kenya, what do
you think about this? It remindsme of like what they've been doing with
smart homes, but now they're justgoing to create smart cars that do all
this extra stuff at the I guessprobably sound of your voice or click of
a button. So I think it'sinnovative and moving in the right direction.

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You could see this going another stepfurther perhaps and actually having other types of
communication between automobiles, such as you'renot driving fast enough, step on the
gas and get going. So mataaswhat is your take on this? Yeah,
I agree with Kenny. I thinkthat the locks a very interesting use
cases. And also you're talking aboutthe sound systems not being too powerful,

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but maybe here is a good excusefor folk stream vast more on the systems.
And I imagine if you have aparking lot four cars playing the same
song in a concert or something,it can't be interesting. I think he
can't create some nice experiences, veryinteresting comments. I guess yeah, if
you were at a Giant's game ora professional sporting event for example, or

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a Rutgers football game, everybody couldhave the game on in their car and
listening to it at the same time, and it would definitely be an interesting
experience. If you could get thebattle of the cars, you could give
a dance party new meaning, youknow, try to get the cars on
a parking lot doing the cha chaw, a timego line for cars. That's

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an interesting comment, Gloria, doyou have any thoughts on this? You
know, for people who will spendlong hours seeing the cars, it could
be a fun thing to do andto look forward to. I think so,
and Jasmine, what are your comments. I think it's innovative, like
Kenyan was saying, because when wego tailgating. Everyone brings out their speakers,

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intents, and it's a lot ofequipment and now we know it's downsizing
everything. How can we make thingseasier for people? What is more conscious?
You know of what we're doing.So if you don't have to bring
a big speaker and be the houseDJ and everybody could connect, that is
amazing. That does bring to mindif Ford has the patent on it,

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what about other car companies would theybe able to use this technology? I
guess they'd have to get a license. So if they have the patent and
only Ford Cars have it, Idon't think it'll be as useful as potentially
it could be. So I guessthe takeaway lesson is that technology consistently evolves,
and patents at least give the innovatorsthe control over the technology, and

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so hopefully Ford will if they wantto implement this and it becomes popular,
then hopefully they'll be able to licensethem to other companies. Now onto our
featured guests, Marty and Gloria,who we introduced at the beginning of the
show. Welcome to Passage to Profit. So tell us a little bit about
your documentary, The Invisible Extinction.The invisible extinction is about the microbiome.

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The microbiome is all the microbes thatlive in and on the human body,
and that are our partners for life, and there are partners that help give
us health, they train our immunity, they're good for digestion, and there's
been just an explosion of knowledge aboutthis in the last twenty years. But
we are both of us. Ourwork has really concerned us that we are

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losing the microbes that our grandparents hadand their grandparents had, the ancestral microbes.
That's why it's called an extinction.The number of years ago I wrote
a book called Missing Microbes, whichtalks about this idea that we've lost our
ancestral microbes. And the problem thereis not just that we've lost it,
but we think that that's what's fuelingthe diseases that are really bothering us these

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days, which is obesity and asthmaand autism and a number of other food
allergies, etc. So this iswhere our work has been going. But
Gloria has a solution. What wesee is that with urbanization, as traditional
societies become urban and adopt modern lifestyleswith a lot of antimicrobials and medicine and

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hygiene and processed food and c sectionsand antibiotics. We observe that there is
an associated loss in diversity, sowe immediately thought the whole world is urbanizing.
We have to run and preserve thesebiodiversity because by the time we know

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how to use, how to restore, we won't have it. So moving
forward, the initiative of the MicrobiotaVault, which is to preserve microbes from
all humanity, from all cultures.Not only from the human body, it
expands to also environments and fermented foods, so that we can then do science

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and understand why are they important,what's their function, why are they healthy?
And how can we restore. Ifwe don't do that now, we
won't have this biodiversity in a decade. That is really fascinating. I have
to say, we watched a documentarylast night. I thought it was excellent,
honestly, and anybody listening if youwant to see what the vault looks

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like, watch a documentary because theyshow it there and it's really impressive.
Let's take a few steps backwards,so the microbiome is correct me if I'm
wrong here, but the microbiome isa film of microbes that covers the body
on the outside and also exists inthe gut. And these microbes. There's
a huge variety of microbes, right, and they all sort of have different

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functions, and everybody sort of hasa different microbiome system, and they interact
with your body in a way thatit influences, you know, certain types
of physiology. Your gut interacts withyour brain, and your brain interacts with
the guts. So it's all veryinteractive. And so while these microbiomes have

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been known for a long time,I think it's just relatively new, right
that we understand how much they interactwith our physiology. Is that correct?
Yeah? I mean you by theway you summarize it very well, the
extent of the microbomb that in general, you know, if you're flying at
thirty five thousand feet, all ofour microbombs look about the sin but if
you go close up, they're quitedifferent. Everybody's microbiome is like a fingerprint.

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They have the same functions. Soif there is a lot of redundancy
Marty's microbes that are doing one function, I may have another set of microbes
doing the same function, and that'swhat makes us unique, you know.
But the functions have to be accomplishedby somebody, and we think that if
we lose diversity and we compromise functions, that's when there is a problem.

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That's when disease happens. You hada very interesting section in the documentary where
you went to Venezuela, which iswhere Glory is from. And by going
back to people who are living morein nature, they actually have healthier microbiome
systems than we do in the UnitedStates. And so you've been studying those
for a long time. What aresome of the conclusions that you've drawn from

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that. I have to say thatpeople that survive to adulthood in the jungle
are very healthy. These are survivors. It's not about idealizing their life or
their lifestyle. Is very hard tolive without medicine. You break a leg,
you're dead. One in ten mothersor babies die in labor. I
mean, it's terrible. You cansee how important than medicine is. So

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therefore when we go there, allyoung adults and adults are in great shape
because they are survivors and we wantto study their microbiome. And also they
are interested because they understand that theirkids or grandkids will be transcultating and that's
unavoidable. They have already started saying, I want the young people in my

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community to go and do medicine ornursing, So that's coming, and we
want to understand what have we lostfrom that lifestyle that should be preserved,
how to preserve the high diversity thatthey have, what components in the diet
are important, and then also understandthe genesis the theology of our diseases.

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What are the factors in the microbiotathat are at risk to develop allergies or
asthma or IBD inflammatory conditions. Isour interest because we need to stop the
current trend, but it's in theirinterest also because they don't want their descendants
to have those diseases. One thingI found fascinating a new documentary was the

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child who had severe autism and youactually gave him the microbiomes, gave him
treatments where the microbiomes were put intohis body to replace what he didn't have,
and you could see there were shortsnippets, so it was kind of
hard to tell, but you couldsee that his behavior seemed to improve with
the introduction of the biome to hisbody. Have you followed up with him

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to see how much progress he's made. I have to go back a couple
of steps. The first thing isto say just to remind you that the
name of the documentary is The InvisibleExtinction, So we want people to know
that it's not our film. Itwas made by two independent filmmakers, Steve
Lawrence and Sarah Shank and they prettymuch follow our work and the work of
other scientists. And that work broughtus to Beijing where we spoke with a

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doctor who was treating patients with autism. The treatment, which is called fecal
transplant and it's being used transplants beingused in the United States for certain diseases
as well, is experimental. Butin the case that was in the film,
as selected by the filmmakers, thatchild seemed to have done very well.

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So I said before, we're ata scientific frontier. It's a new
field. We're learning things. Weneed to learn. Who's going to benefit
from fecal transplant and who's not,so work in progress. Also in the
film, you see, for example, the case of the obese woman who
is also participating in a clinical trialfor fecal transplant from a lean person.

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You can see in the documentary thatthe study did not reach statistical significance,
But when the scientists see responders andnon responders, that's not a negative result.
If fifty percent of the people respond, it's amazing. So you need
to pursue why do people respond,and then eventually you can predict if somebody

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will respond or not to the treatment. Nature doesn't unlock all her secrets.
Takes a lot of work and alot of time developing things to really understand
the complex biology. So, Kenya, do you have a question or comment?
I do. You had mentioned someof the factors when it comes to
food, and I wanted to seeif you could share some of that because
I had heard on the radio yesterdaythat even French fries here in the United

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States have nineteen ingredients in them,as opposed to Europe where there's only three
ingredients. So I was hoping youcould elaborate a little bit on where food
is concerned and all this. Well, food has a big influence on the
microbomb. We think that it's actuallyimportant to eat a variety of different foods,
and generally that means a plant baseddiet. Every plant is different.

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Food is basically a bunch of chemicals, and the chemicals in an apple and
an orange are quite different, butthe chemicals and a piece of cake and
a piece of bread are actually quitesimilar. So the more you can diversify
your diet, the better it isfor your microbomb because they're eating that too,
and our microbiama is diverse and wewant to keep that diversity. And

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with the fries and many other things, I mean, the issue that makes
food and healthy is excessive processing andputting chemicals. And so the more natural
food is food should be cooked minimallyprocessed. You could ferment, that's also
a process, but you are notadding stuff. And because the industry benefits

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in being able to preserve food,they can food they put preservants there,
which are antimicrobials, and then whenyou eat that, you're eating the preservants.
You're eating all the stuff. Foodindustry discovered what humans crave for,
and this is really evolutionarily wired.We crave for the things that our ancestors

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didn't find in abundance. We cravefor fat. Our ancestors when hunting,
and the animals are very lean.The same thing with the current they hunter
gatherers. They eat very lean.We create for salt. Salt is there
if you are near the oceans,and we create for sugar because sugar,

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you know, the sweetest thing youcan find in nature is honey, which
is very very scarce. And theyrest are fruits, and fruits are highly
diluted sugars, and they are fructoes. And so the industry discover that we
all love that. Everybody loves thatthose three things, which in excess are
extremely unhealthy, and then they putthat on the food, and everybody loves

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that. So the only way tocontrol that is to accept that you like
it. You know, this ishuman, is wire evolutionary probably, and
then control it, you know,and you know, control that. I'm
going to eat a hamburger with thesefries that have nineteen ingredients, you know,

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once a month, and enjoy that, but not make it a routine
because it's really toxic. Low fiber. We don't like high fiber food unless
you know how healthy it is,or you develop the taste. Maybe it's
we are not training our kids enoughto like fibers in different natural fruits and

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vegetables. Well, I think,Gloria, that you said something that's extremely
important. All of it was extremelyimportant, But one thing that really hit
home for me was people will say, don't eat processed foods are bad for
you, and you're like, okay, how are they bad for me?
Well, they're just bad for you, just don't eat them. You actually
give the reason scientific reason why,because they're bad for your biome, and

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your biome in your gut controls alot of what happens with your body,
so it people could maybe actually makethat correlation, maybe it would be more
motivation to eat more healthful right.And also the way your body absorbs the
soluble sugars of an orange. Ifyou squeeze the orange and the orange use
only you are spiking your insulin veryrapidly. If you eat the whole orange

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that has fiber, it also slowsdown and your insulin PIK is slower.
And it's the natural way we havealways eaten fruits, the entire fruit.
The other thing, to go backto what Gloria said, manufacturers put in
preservance to increase shelf life in thestore, but these are antibacterial, and

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no one ever thought what happens whenwe eat an antibacterial what's it doing to
our bacteria that wasn't on the radaruntil recently. That's a really interesting point.
I do want to shift the discussiona little bit now because one of
the topics that we haven't covered isthe role of antibiotics and how they influence
the health of the microbiome. Ithink a large piece of your work has

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been really focused on how antibiotics canbe harmful for the microbiome. Did you
explain that a little bit more forour audience. Yeah, And I'll just
mention that the reason that the filmmakerscame to see us is that about ten
years ago I published a book calledMissing Microbes, How the overuse of antibiotics
is fueling our modern plagues. Thattitle tells you something. So antibiotics came

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into medical practice about eighty years ago, and they were miraculous. The health
professions and the public have kind offallen in love with antibiotics because they're so
great, and so we've been usingthem more and more and more in tremendous
amounts. The average child in theUS gets three courses of antibotics by the
time they're too and ten courses bythe time they're ten. That's the average

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child and we're now understanding that antiboticshave cost because they're disrupting the microbiome,
and it's especially important in early life. That's when everything is forming. That's
when the babies are forming their immunity, they're forming their metabolism, the brain
is developing, and the microboma isthe partner in this and antibotics are disrubed.

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So yes, that's a big partof what we do is trying to
understand how our antibotics doing this andhow can we count that. One of
the counters, of course, isto use less antibotics, and everybody knows
that we're overusing antibots, but manypeople don't want to pull the trigger.
We definitely want to explore this topicbecause I think it's so important that people

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understand this. Marty Blazer, directorof Advanced Biotechnology and Medicine at Rutgers University,
and Maria Gloria Dominezbello, who's alsoa professor at the Department of Biochemistry
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and two incredible guests. These peopleare cutting edge researchers in human health and

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they are finding out things that weneeded to know yours in tales following us.
Yeah, Martie Laser and Maria GloriaDominga's bellow here. They're from Wreckers.
They're doing research on the human biome. And if you missed our first
part of the conversation with the podcastis out tomorrow. This is important information,
I think for everybody. Absolutely,absolutely, and we're going to go

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to Kenya for the next question.Sure. So before we went to break,
Marty was talking about the correlation betweenmicrobiome and the antibiotic. Yes,
so does the same thing apply tovaccines, Like, is there a similar
correlation in terms of their effects onthe microbiome versus how it plays out with
antibiotics. That's a good question,but the answer is that they're quite different.

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Vaccines are specific. There for onething, there for covid, there
for influenza. Antibiotics are broad.You're taken antibiotic to treat one infection,
but that antibotic is getting all throughyour body, is carried in your blood
and it's affecting the populations of bacteriathat live in your body, and the
antibiotics have a lot of collateral damage. That's one of the big lessons that

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we've learned in recent years. Again, this wasn't on the radar. Nobody
ever thought about this. But everytime you're take an antibiotic, you're having
an effect on your microbiome. It'sespecially important in young kids, but actually
it's important at all ages. That'sinteresting because you would think that the microbiome
would just repopulate after the antibiotic isout of the system, right, that,

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because they're little bugs and bacteria,they would just multiply and reach their
previous state. But you're saying that'snot the case. So when you're taking
antibiotic, the bacterial numbers go down, and then when you stop the antibotic,
as you say, they come backup, but the composition changes.
It's not exactly the same as itwas before. So if you have billions

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of a particular microbe, it'll beback. But what have you only had
thousands or hundreds of them, someof them would disappear, and from glorious
work and my work is more andmore evidence that microbes are disappearing. That's
why they called the film the InvisibleExtinction, because organisms are going extent.
It's ecology in action. Really,It's like imagine you have a forest and

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you have a fire, and thenwhen the forest is recovering from the fire,
you have another fire. It slowsdown and that's when you start seeing
extinctions. The compounded effect of oneimpact after another leads to extinctions. And
if you've waited enough for the wholeecosystem to recover, you gain resilience and

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the ecosystem can then stand another impact. But our impacts are very is one
after another, very successive, andespecially in children that are children are the
good example of a forming, maturingecosystem. If you impact it, it
turns back to when mature and ifyou multiple times impacted again, it really

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cannot complete, you know, tobecome a mature, resilient ecosyst. So
let's just take this a step further. Okay, Let's say you do have
a compromised microbiome system, possibly becauseyou've had too many antibiotics. What are
the consequences of that? What arethe medical consequences of that? We did
a study with the doctors at theMail Clinic a few years ago. The

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Mail Clinic is located in Olmsted County, Minnesota. It's a very stable population.
They've been studying this population for yearsand they have very good medical records
there. So we studied all thekids born in Olmsted County for about a
ten year period, and they hadrecords on who was exposed to antibotics and
who wasn't, And they also hadrecords on health outcomes, which kids got

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asthma, who got eczema, whodeveloped obesity, who developed ADHD. So
we look at ten different conditions andfor eight of the ten, getting antibotics
in the first two years of lifewas significantly associated with increased risk of eight
of these diseases. That's astounding.That's simply taking something that is supposed to

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make you healthier and better is actuallymaking you sicker. It's an unintended consequence.
Nobody ever thought about this. Theantibiotic was to treat the infection.
Nobody thought about the collateral effects exceptyou know. Farmers discover that if they
give antibiotics from early life, theyget bigger animals. That's why farmers were

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using antibiotics. Antibiotics are obisogenic growthpromoters. So they noticed that effect,
which was good for their profit,and they started using antibiotics as well as
hormones and other things. Most ofthese practices are now banned because they are
not healthy. It's a boomeram thatis returning to us with consequences that are

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related to diseases that are actually incurable. The sad thing is that we are
trading infections that are cute for diseasesthat are chronic and have no cure.
You can leave ABASE, you canleave celiac, you can leave with taype
one diabetes, but you are nothealthy. So how can we stop this
and prevent it? When we needantibiotics or a c section which has exactly

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the same effects, we need torestore because we are not giving up medicine,
and you know, we need touse what we have to save lives,
and then we need to think howdo we avoid the collateral damage.
One thing that was a little terrifyingin the documentary was that there was a
woman who had gotten c DIFF andfor people that don't know, it gives

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you terrible diarrhea, and her daughter, who was obese, gave her a
vehical transplant and she became obese afterthat. I thought that was very telling,
but very scary. It's a scarystory. It's one case. And
the thing about CIF is that cDIF can be a lethal infection. It's
estimated that somewhere between twenty and thirtythousand people each year die in the United

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States because of c DIF. Sowe're not talking about a couple of trips
to the bathroom. It's a seriousinfection. And in fact, a clinical
trial was done treating CEDIFF with theconventional therapy with antibiotics or treating it with
fecal transplant, and in fact theyhad to stop the trial because the fecal
transplant was so much better it wasunethical to proceed, and so that's become

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a very standard therapy for this veryparticular intestinal infection. But when you get
one, the donors are very wellscreened. They are nautobes, they are
healthy people, and their good dietsand exercise. They know they control their
lives because they are donating microbiome.But the fecal transplant is undefined. It's

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not a manufactured product like a drugthat you buy, and there have been
cases with bad results from the fecaltransplant, so it's a good step.
It's important therapy for some people.There's now development of giving people cocktails a
very specific bacteria to try to dothe same thing in something that is very
well defined that could be used asa drug. So when it comes to

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the fecal transplant, is it similarto what they do with cows with like
healthy cow women, where they takeit from the cows and testines and then
they give it to the other animalsso that they get into a healthier state.
Yes, in humans, doctors callit the north root or the south
root. And still you know,again, if you're dying for close tredium
deficial infection, you better have one, even if it's yucky, because you

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know it can save your life andthe relief is immediate. I don't think
anybody really tasted it goes in andpills or goes into the south root,
So it's the thought is unplanned.But again it's equality. Imagine in your
garden you have a fire, andthen your neighbor's garden that was as beautiful
as yours, you transplant it.You plant all the plants again your garden,

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will you know, immediately acquire thatcommunity and grow healthy. I have
a friend who's head seated. Sherecently was on antibiotic. After antibiotic and
supposedly she doesn't have it anymore,but she still has the symptoms and she
did think about the fecal transplant.I'm going to really bug her to get
that now because it's not completely goingaway. It's been five or six months,

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and she thinks she got it fromeating underdone hamburger that was old.
Actually, seediff comes mostly from peopletaking antibiotics. Even a single course of
antibotics. CEFF can be living inyour body. You take antibiotics and it
kills many organisms, but then seediff blooms, it grows up. It's
like a weed. If you destroythe equal systems, see thiefs can overgrow.

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I think a point that you've madein the past is that the number
of antibiotics prescribed far exceeds the numberthat need to be prescribed, mostly because
of cultural issues. Because we thoughtthat antibiotics were sort of a side effect
free drug. We've been taking antibioticsand using them at a much higher medical

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rate than is really necessary. Letme give you some facts. In the
US, if we're using for onehundred people, there are about seventy five
antibotic courses a year for every onehundred people, seventy five courses. In
Sweden, the comparable number is aboutthirty courses. So Swedish doctors are treating
their patients with about forty percent ofthe antibotics that US doctors are treating,

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and there are no big epidemics inSweden. The Swedes are doing just fine.
And that's the first fact. Thesecond fact is that in the United
States there's tremendous geographic variation in antiboticuse, and many of the states in
the Deep South the antibotic use percapita is double that of states on the
West Coast, but there is notdouble the rate of serious bacterial infections.

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This reflects differences in the practice ofmedicine and the culture of medicine. There's
tremendous variation among doctors in how theyprescribe antibotics. One point that Gloria makes,
which is really important, is replacement. But the other thing is that
we have to cut down the useof antibox waus. They are not free,
They are not free of side effects, and we're learning more and more

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about the side effects. So ifI'm a patient and I have an infection,
is there something I can say tomy physician who may just reflexively prescribe
antibiotics, But I could say,well, I've heard these can also have
negative long term effects on the microbiome. Is this the only treatment or is
this really necessary at this time?You make your doctor think twice. And

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that's a good thing. I mean, it's one of the reasons that we
worked with the filmmakers to make TheInvisible Extinction, to bring this out to
the public so that the public understandsthis. There are many infections that are
not treatable by antibotics. Viral infections, which are very common, are not
treatable by antibotics. And one ofthe problems is that people come to the
doctor and say, please give mean antibotic. I want an antibotic.

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Some doctors react and they say,okay, sure, I'm happy to give
you the antibotic. They have troubleresisting the patients. So we have to
change the dialogue. The doctor's antiboticshave cost. We have to instruct the
patients antibotics have costs. Just hearingthis now makes me are aware if I
have another infection in the future,it might be worth it just to take
a couple of aspirin and you know, stick it out, as opposed to

(32:07):
threatening or after doctor. You know, how long can I wait and see
if it goes away because you alsoyou want the antibiotic if it's needed,
right, if it's needed, Socan we wait twenty four hours and see
how Because a lot of things justgo away, the immune system works and
resolves them. So for serious infections, antibiotics are extremely important. But most

(32:29):
infections that people go to the doctorfor or miles and most of these mild
infections go away by themselves. Andso if you take an antibiotic and you
get better, you'd say, oh, that's great, that antibotic may be
well, but we know that mostof these will get better by themselves.
All tidis in children, in babies, most of them are caused by viruses,
So the ear infections, the earinfection, so you know, can

(32:52):
you wait and how long can wewait before giving the baby? Antibiotics for
babies is crucial because that's in youare causing the biggest damage to the microbiome.
That's much touring, right. Youtalk about that in the documentary.
My son had terrible ear infections andI was able to get him the tubes
in his ears at thirteen months.That was as soon as they would do

(33:14):
it. Because he was on anantibiotic almost all the time. And if
he wasn't, he was just inmisery. But the problem was they weren't
a long term solution for him becauseit kept coming back. That's another problem.
So we have very important research needs. We need better diagnostics so we
can tell which child has a viralinfection and doesn't need an antibiotic, and

(33:35):
which child has a back chair infection. That's a really important research need.
This is amazing information and we're soglad that you made the time in your
busy schedules to join us for ourprogram. We really hope our listeners will
take this information to heart and putit into action, because this is one
of those things where all of uscan participate in solving the problem just by

(33:58):
being a little bit more did withour physicians, and hopefully physicians who are
listening will also, if they haven'tgotten the message yet, will hopefully also
think a little bit about how theyprescribe medication. I would encourage everyone listening
to this to go online and findthe Invisible Extinction dot com documentaries starring these
two wonderful people. It's very interestingand you'll be glad that you watched it,

(34:21):
and especially if you're going to havekids or grandkids, and this is
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them as healthy as possible. MartyBlazer and Maria Gloria Domingus Bellow, both
from Rutgers University, leading cutting edgeresearchers in the human microbiome. Really important
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who is going to be talking aboutpower Moves. So for Power Moves
Today, I actually wanted to giveit to Nicki Minaj. She recently was

(35:53):
in the news for being innovative andbranching off to start her own record label,
which it's not a new thing,but for a female entrepreneur, there's
not a lot of female owned recordlabels in the industry. So her first
artist that she signed was Ice Spice, which many of you may not know
who I Spices, But it's abig deal going on in music right now,

(36:15):
especially as a female entrepreneur, thatshe's creating a space for other creators
and artists to make room and nothaving only one label option available to them.
So I wanted to give her apower Move today. Well that's great.
Anybody who starts their own business hasto have a lot of current,
so shout out to her for sure. And also now it's time for our

(36:35):
delightful co host Elizabeth Gerhardt, who'sgoing to be talking about her projects.
Yes. So for those of youwho've heard this before and those of you
who haven't, I have a startupcalled Blue Streak Directory. It's a video
directory of small businesses online, andI've been working on it for a while.
It's gone through many different iterations,but I'm getting closer to being able
to do a soft launch and populateit with business owners. I'm pretty excited

(36:59):
about it. I have a websitedesigner working on it, and I actually
found a site that had a reviewspage. It looked very much like what
I want to do, so thatwas exciting too. And then for all
you cat lovers out there and doglovers too, actually, I started a
podcast with Danielle Woolley called The JerseyPod Cats because they're in New Jersey where
we have people come on the showand we talk about cats and it's just

(37:22):
a blast. We're going to monetizeit eventually, we hope, but right
now we're just having a lot offun with it and meeting a lot of
really interesting people. So that's keepingme busy these days. That's great.
So now I get to introduce ournext speaker, matthais Ralfi with Tent Tent
dot Ai really interesting use of AI. So matthais, please tell us all

(37:42):
about what you're doing. So theconfounder and CEO of tent We help brands
and tech companies and bad insurance introductproducts. I think about abnb or Uber,
you as a customer don't even haveto think about insurance. But every
time use on the services, thereis insurance in place. So if you
stay in an ibnb and God forbidthe place, catch fire or somebody that

(38:07):
kid break the TV or something,knmbnb has worked to with with a lot
of insurers to kind of make surethat you are protected there. So as
into what we do to help thosebrands, the companies like Airbnb create that
same experience for their users. WhatI find fascinating is the AI component.

(38:29):
What is the AI actually do thatyou want to do otherwise? What we
do is that you know those companiesnow we can help them use AI to
help price those insurance products, protectionproducts better, to adjust claims faster,
so the users can get paid alot faster than they otherwise. So AI
is really building on top of allthis kind of vast amount of data that

(38:51):
companies and brands have that can beused for insurance use cases and Again,
what we're hoping here is that insurancebecomes a feature, becomes like a background
product. You always have protection evenif you don't have to think about it.
So that's really interesting though, thatis that that the AI engine is
going out and gathering information about otherpast claims and past situations, and then

(39:15):
they're using that to resolve claims andyou can do that much more quickly than
it was done before. Is thatessentially what you're doing. That's absolutely the
case. And I think there's onemore component of that is that that data
that is there is actually create helpingcompanies create new products that were not there

(39:36):
before, so they can protect fromsome risks that their customers have and they
are going unprotected right now. Sogoing back to their BnB example, suppose
their BnB didn't offer any protection.So whatever there's an issue you as the
gas, you are on the hookfor potentially tens of thousands of dollars and
that can sometimes break the bank,depending on how much savings you have,

(39:58):
and it can be a big problemin your life. So that data that
AI elements help even create new productslike this one that we're not in the
market before. So folks are protectivethat they need. The fact is is
that a lot of these businesses wouldn'texist if there weren't some sort of insurance
that spread the risk, right,Because that's what insurance really does, is

(40:20):
it spreads the risk over a largepopulation, and in that way it makes
certain types of businesses possible. SoAI is such a popular topic. Now,
we've heard Bill Gates talk about it, We've heard Elon Must talk about
it. You are very involved withit. Do you have any special opinions
about the long term implications of artificialintelligence? Yeah? So the long term

(40:43):
is going to change everything, right, a little bit like life before and
after computers, like it really changeswhat you can do. I as a
founder, have an optimistic view ofthe world and my view and AI that
I see the AI is going toenable people to do things that they're not
capable today. Going back to computers, right, folks could be better and
what they do they can produce more, The economy can produce more. We

(41:07):
can do videos, music, consumeall of that in a way that there
was not possible before the computers.In a way I think AI is going
to be the same. I thinkthere will be certain types of day to
day activities that are going to bea lot easier when we have AI,
so that it was going to enableand free up time to do other kind
of more sophisticated work, and folkswould adapt and they would evolve as they

(41:30):
have been doing with all the technicalchanges that happened before. Ahi, I
think you're right. I think peopleare using it more in everyday life because
I went to a webinar put onby Meetup about chat GPT that when I
signed up there are five thousand peoplesigned up. At the time I went
to it, there are about eighteenthousand people there learning how to use chat

(41:51):
GPT, and our daughters using itto do meal planning. So I think
the more it comes into the mainstream, I think you're right, it's going
to be like before and after.I want to go back to something that
Gloria said in the documentary that wewere just talking about the Invisible extinction.
She said at the end, withmedicine, we're sort of cheating nature,
and there's a price that you payfor doing that, and I think AI

(42:14):
has sort of falls into the samecategory. We're sort of cheating on productivity,
but there's a price to pay becauseI spend so much time like learning
passwords and trying to avoid being hackedby another account. And I think overall,
the productivity gains are probably worth it, But it's not as clear as
you would think it is, right, because every time you take a technical

(42:35):
advance, there's a price to payfor that. Well, I think it's
taking over the world. Well that'swhat everybody's I think, jokes apart.
I agree, right, And Ithink it's the same way that now what
eighty years after antibiotics were evented,that we are just as starting to know
the side effects. I think it'sthe same with any new technology, including
AI, right, And I dothink that you're absolutely right. Now there's

(42:59):
a hype, the hype is goingto die down, as it does with
any new technology. Then we willsee the technology is not as ready as
we thought. Think about self drivingcars, Like for the last ten years,
we'll be hearing that by now selfdrive cars would be taking the road
and we will not be driving anymore, like how many self driving cars are
actually out. So it takes alot longer to go through those technology changes

(43:22):
than people in space. And butthen when it comes to the cost of
AI, you're absolutely right. Ithink there'll be coast, there'll be side
effect. Think about when use casessocial media. Social media, like we
thought it was all good right beingconnected to friends, being but then we
saw the effects on elections, onfreed on on the kind of fake news

(43:43):
and things like that. So yeah, in a few years we'll know the
reality is that nobody knows exactly whatit is side effect. Today, I
preach my students in the classroom aboutchatipity and we do exercises because people are
using it for the car then theywant to know something you instead of Google
is faster chap an essay written aboutit, but there are many mistakes.

(44:08):
I think with time it will getbetter because then the information can be corrected.
Then if you ask again, itcomes back with the correct answer.
But it will take time. AndI think instead of having the typical reaction
that we saw with you know,teachers and professors when Wikipedia started, it

(44:30):
was like, Dan, don't useWikipedia. It's not true. You know,
we have to face it is hereand it's here to stay. So
let's use it. And you willsee that it's not perfect, but that
it tells you good also correct things. So the message I want to convey
to the student is don't be closeto the idea because this may have come

(44:50):
to stay. But be aware youhave to curate and check facts, don't
believe everything it says. It's agreat point, and I think it goes
back to you. In the future, assignments would change, right, writing
an assets, summarizing a topic willno longer be enough because anybody can do
that with chat DPT. Now theassignment will be focused in kind of more

(45:12):
complex analysis and crossing disciplines and thingsthat we're not focusing today, or true
focusing on the basis or write anessay in chat GPT and your assignment is
to find the errors, what isincorrect. I've always kind of wondered,
as we have these new tools,like the Internet and like chat GPT,

(45:34):
from an educational standpoint, is thatbetter for students or worse? Because I
grew up in an era where youhad to do rote memorization of all sorts
of things, and I like tothink that that education served me well.
But now if I don't have todo all of those things, is my
barying functions suffering? Is am Ilosing cognitive skills? Because I don't think

(45:57):
so. I think these are toolsare enabling tools. You know, we
could never have gotten to the moonwithout computers. We couldn't have an airline.
Imagine an airline industry without computers.AI is like the next step of
that, but it leads us toa problem like when all the Southwest flights
were grounded because the computer system.So we're more vulnerable in a way.

(46:20):
Computers are AI too. This isjust the next generation of AI. So
your feeling is is that human intelligenceis a constant and that we just have
tools, and that the process bywhich we learn and think maybe changes,
but it's still going to be affective. Yeah, and if you think about
six Jobs has a famous code thatcomputers are the bicycle of the mind,

(46:42):
we'll want to say that AI isthe airplane of the mind. Right.
It's like it can bring human mindto even the next level when everything is
working appropriately. So, Machas,what led you to develop this AI product
for the insurance industry. My formeremployer is a company called to Row.
They are in the peer to peercar sharing space, so you can basically

(47:04):
rent car from individuals, your neighbors, somebody in a different city. And
Touro had to invent their own insuranceproducts. So cars are illegal on the
world without insurance, and if youare making money out of your car,
your insurance doesn't cover. So tourinvented their own kind of whole insurance a
product to exist. And I wasone of the early employees and I spent

(47:25):
a lot of my time working onthat insurance product. And I saw how
hard it was for a toua whichis not on the insurance business, to
figure all of this without help.And we saw the on the e side,
the power of using analytics, usingAI to mind all the data that
Touros had inside. So we connectthe dots micro founder and I and then

(47:47):
we decided to start tint which nowbringing the same technology tour Us to really
now every company out there. It'sreally great to see somebody using AI for
real world applications. I mean,it's been so esoteric Telle. Now,
where can we learn more about yourcompany? You can go to tent dot
ai, which is our website,or you can find me or us on

(48:08):
LinkedIn as well. Okay, sonow we are on to our next percenter,
jas with Mitchell with Jay Carmels andher website is absolutely yummy, So
tell us what you're doing, JasmineI create all things desserts, from custom
cakes to gourmet cakes and desserts traditionaland all things sweets. It kind of

(48:30):
fell in my lap. One timeI was on maternity leave and my daughter,
I always say it, she wasa unicorn baby, didn't I cry,
slept through the night. And I'ma person that's very active and my
brain is always going. And Idecided to make a cake one day that
my aunt gave me a recipe andit was terrible. And from that moment

(48:52):
on, I decided, I Amgoing to do anything I can to perfect
this because how are they doing thison TV and on all these shows,
Like if they can do it,I can, And I just started practicing
and next thing, you know,my family started ordering stuff for me,
and then friends started finding out,and then it became a business. Next

(49:14):
thing I knew, I was goingdowntown getting my license and patents and everything,
and I'm like, oh, mygoodness now that I look back at
it, and that was eight yearsago and I'm continuing learning every single day.
Well, congratulations, So what doyou see as the future for your
business? I honestly go back andforth with do I want to have a

(49:35):
storefront that I have to pay overheador is this going great inside a commercial
kitchen? Because I rent in acommercial kitchen right now, and it just
makes it so easy to meet otherpeople because we share a kitchen together.
But that dream is kind of titheringback and forth. But also I would
like to be in other states andteach people because I was a stay at

(49:57):
home mom for a little bit oftime, did not know anything about baking
and decided, let me try thisrecipe. And now I'm teaching people people
home. You know my company andsay hey, can you teach me?
Do you have classes? I justwould learn how to bake a cake or
something simple, and I have aparty coming up. And that's how my
Instagram on social media grew so much, and I started giving recipes and how

(50:22):
to videos for people. People werejust reaching out basically of like I meet
this. The feedback was insane.So then I realized, I'm doing custom
cakes on the weekends, but duringthe week I'm a teacher to people and
just creating their palette and making itbigger. Well, I have to throw
this to our marketing guru, Kenya, Kenya, what do you think?

(50:43):
I think it's great. I'm notas well versed in the baking space.
But I just you mentioned a fewpatents. What if you've got in patent
that you feel comfortable sharing. Myname is strong and a lot of people
don't understand. Get your name patent, get a trademark, because anybody can
have it. Like there's a billionpeople in the world and someone could be
thinking about it. You know,I'm not the only Jasmine, I'm not

(51:07):
the only Jay Carmel in the world. So you want to make sure you
hold tight to that and own whatyou own because somebody could own it in
a blink of an eye and everythingthat you worked hard for it can go
to waste. And I've learned thatwith everything I've learned in a baking community.
And you may say, oh,what baking, that's nothing to get

(51:28):
pat and that's nothing to get trademarked. Yes, what if you come out
with a dessert that someone wants touse. Yes, it's your creative thing,
but somebody could take it that's morepopular than you, and take it
to the next level and now it'stheirs, and you're like, no,
it was me, I promise itwas me that did it first. That's
the same with book. That's thesame with AI. That's the same with

(51:49):
science. What we've been talking aboutall day. Yeah, I mean,
we really appreciate the plug there thatyou gave for an election year. Passionate,
but of course I couldn't agree withyou more and lesson to anyone who's
starting a business is that you wantto first check and make sure that your
trade name is available, and thenyou want to protect it because you're right,

(52:09):
I mean, the cost of doingthat compared to like having to go
through rebranding, you know, andsometimes it's unfortunate, but the world can
be a cruel place, and sometimespeople borrow things that they shouldn't borrow,
and you know, you don't wantto see your investment in your business just
go out the window, right,So having intellectual property can help you protect

(52:30):
that. So are you selling online? Are you shipping to people across the
country? What are you doing it? Right now? And not at the
moment? So my Instagram went skyrocketovernight. I posted a video of this
peach cobbler cake and everybody went crazy, and I was like, can you
ship it here? Can you shipit there? But yes, I'm working

(52:50):
on a commercial kitchen, but it'smyself and my family members. You know,
you start small and then you growinto something big in the future,
maybe walmartsin's all right, and bigstores, you know, take over and
say hey, we want to sellyour product in there. I see that.
I do see that happening in thefuture, and I will not be
opposed to it. What is yourbiggest hurdle right now? What roadblock would

(53:12):
you like to alleviate? I wouldsay what every entrepreneur would say. Yourself,
you know, fear of the unknownand putting yourself out the way.
Every day is a fight of Okay, am I doing it correctly or I'm
not. But being an entrepreneur,you're not doing anything wrong. You have
to take a step by step.Nobody started knowing everything. I learned every

(53:35):
single day that, oh man,I shouldn't have done that. How can
I have a solution to this problem? So I would say I'm my biggest
hurdle because, for instance, we'vetalked about shipping. I could start tomorrow,
but I'm like, oh no,no, no, let me research
it one more good time. ButI have everything, but something else comes
on our plate as an entrepreneur,and that's navigating what's the diority and what

(54:00):
should I go with first, andwhat should I put last? So yes,
me, and I'm honest with thatand transparent. There are no maps
where leaders go right, So rightcan you? Yeah? I was just
gonna ask, have you ever thoughtabout going to a subscription based model on
your ig or any of your socialmedia? Because you give a lot.
I see you have a lot ofrecipes that are up here for free and

(54:22):
they're great, but like, haveyou ever thought of a way to like
maybe monetize it and charge like amonthly fee and then people get like X
amount of recipes per month or somethinglike that. Yes, So I actually
have an ebook coming out on Mondaycalled All Things Cake the Cookbook, so
you can have the life of theparty. That's one way I'm monetizing,
and then I'm also gonna move tosubscriptions. But when you're on Instagram and

(54:45):
your social media context is going big, and even if you're a blogger or
you know, radio or anything likethat, what do you do you build
a community? First, they haveto trust you, they have to know
they have relationship with you. Andif you put out your stuff saying hey
buy me right now, it's likeI could go and just google this recipe

(55:05):
for free So what makes her different? So right now I'm building. Yes,
when you look at my page,I have seventy four thousand followers,
But to me, that's not enough, Like, let me build my relationship.
Let me have everyone get comfortable knowingthat they can trust me, because
right now somebody can go follow mejust for my real and say, oh

(55:27):
that looks good. I just likelooking at good dessert, because they could
look at a video and guarantee youin the comments, what's the recipe?
It's in the caption, sweetheart,like it's right there. Does a read,
but nobody wants to do that.So it's building going in the stories,
building a relationship, showing my husband, showing my kids, showing my
family, showing my kitchen. I'maccessible to you, and with accessibility,

(55:51):
it's building a relationship. You knowthings about me that you may not know
about another bogger that they don't showtheir face. So those are the ways
that right now I'm building that community. So then therefore when the subscription comes,
it's not even a thought I'm goingto subscribe to this because she's given
me stuff that I want. Yeah, well, I say, the community
is there. You had one videothat had one point two million views.

(56:14):
Yes, and you were saying,and you're asking how I did it,
and I'm just gonna be honest,don't overthink anything. And I'm an overthinker
when it comes to things. Butevery single video that has went viral,
I posted that in a rush,and I could say that, you know,
in other videos where I strategically wroteout a script and said, Okay,

(56:35):
this is what I'm gonna do first, this is what I'm going to
talk about. This is that itdidn't go anywhere, and I'm like,
what, what's going on? Butyou could see the authenticity in it and
being honest in it. And whenI saw that video, I was rushing
on a plane and I was like, I need to put something really quick,
because social media makes you think thatyou have to be there twenty four
seven right, And I'm like,oh, I didn't post anything thing.

(56:57):
Let me hurry up, Let mehurry up. And I went on plane
and when I came off the plane, her phone was going crazy. I'm
like, what is going on?The video went viral and I was like,
I didn't even do anything. Ithink Kenya is right, I think
maybe close. So we had stueMcLaren on he's a subscription guru, and
he said that he had this womanwho makes balloon animals was able to grow

(57:21):
a big subscription base and make likeone hundred twenty thousand dollars a month showing
people balloon animals. Like seriously,So I'm kind of following Stu because I
want to do a subscription model withmy business too. If people are drawn
to you and your product to thatdegree, I mean you've got something special
there. Oh thank you. Youcan follow me on Instagram at Jake Carmel
is j C A R M E. L. And my website is Jay

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it's time for Elizabeth question what areyou looking forward to this summer? And

(01:00:22):
we'll start with you Mattas, whatare you looking forward to? Looking forward
to normal traveling when you can goto places when you don't have restrictions,
you can feel that we are fullyback to normal. I know it's going
to be crowded, but even that, it's part of traveling. So I'm
looking forward to them. My parentslive in Brazil, so I'm going down

(01:00:42):
there visit them in July, soI'm really looking forward to them. Nice.
What about you, Jasmin, whatare you looking forward to? I'm
going to Italy and Rome and Greeceand Pompeii and I'm am so excited.
I cannot wait. My bag isalready packed. That's jo I'm jealousy.
Are you going for business or areyou going for pleasure? For pleasure?

(01:01:05):
My family it's like nine of usand we always go for a big trip
once a year, so that's wherewe're going this time. We have a
different place every single year, ahuge place. So yeah. We went
to Mexico last year, so awesome. That's great. We made a promise
that when we went to Mexico thatwe were going to do the Seven Wonders
of the World. So now we'vealready planned out, like the next seven

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years. I'm excited about it.Do they make you cook? Yes?
We get together every single Sunday andmy mom's like, you didn't make any
dessert. I'm like, this ismy rest day. No, I did
not. I never really thought aboutit, but I guess if you make
desserts for a living, you wanta day off every once in a while.
Right, anytime I want to ask, I'm like, are you kidding

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me? But okay, Kenya,what about you? What are you looking
forward to this summer traveling? Iactually want a trip to the Bahamas,
so I'm really excited about that.My husband doesn't want to go, so
I might take Naya and it mightbe a girl's trip, but I'm definitely
going, and no later than August, which is my birthday month. I
was so glad that spring got herefinally, and it's been kind of an

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early spring. We had a mildwinter in New Jersey, really not too
much to complain about, but Iwas just so glad when the weather warmed
up. We went through daylight savingstime, and now I get to spend
some time out on the deck.We have a lightly wooded backyard, so
really looking forward to just spending sometime outside. I have a small sailboat

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that used to be on a lake, but last year we moved it from
the lake to the ocean, andso I'm going to have the opportunity to
actually sail in the ocean now.So I'm not going with them. I'm
not a swimmer, so right,so that's the downside, but it'll be
a different environment. The lake Iwas at didn't have a lot of wind,

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which was really bad if you're asailor. But being out on the
ocean, there will be wind andI'm looking forward to zipping across the bay
in my sailboat. Well, Iwas just looking forward to the warm weather.
We're not supposed to have, likethat killer heat the summer, were
supposed to have like a normal summer. World will just be nice and warm.
But we do get the most deliciouspeaches here in New Jersey. So

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after hearing about Jasmine's recipe, sothat's why he's going crazy about the peach
cobbler. Okay, yeah, thatis what I'm looking very wild. Yeah,
that peach cobbler the summer with thesedelicious Jersey peaches. So that sounds
good. So now it is timeto do a review. We had Martin
J. Blazer, MD, MariaGloria Dominga's bellow and they are working on

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the human biome. There from Wreckersand they were stars of a documentary and
you can find it online at theInvisible Extinction dot com. It was nominated
for Academy Award by the Way Right. And in that they talk about a
vault of microbiomes that they are afraidyou are going to disappear. There's also
a website microbiota vault dot com,so m I c r O Biota vault

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dot com that you can go toif you want to find out more about
that. It's really pretty interesting.They show it in the documentary. And
then we had Mattais Realfi with TintTint t i nt dot ai is his
website and he is helping small businessesreally get the insurance they need behind the
scenes using AI. It's really interestingwhat he's doing. You know, you

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always kind of wonder what do realpeople use AI for that really know what
it does. And here's the perfectexample, right, and it's on something
that you wouldn't necessarily associate with AIright out of the box, but after
talking about it with him, itmakes a lot of sense, so check
it out on his website and youknow, see if it'll apply to your
business. And then we had bakerExtraordinaire Jasmine Mitchell with Jay Carmels and her

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website is j C A R Me ls dot com Jcarmels dot com.
But look for her on Instagram becausethat's where you can really learn a lot.
And she's Jay Carmel. That thes on Instagram, and I'm going
to go look for the host.Go get the peach cobbler pound kake recipe.
Find Richard at Gearheartlaw dot com gE A R h A r T

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