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Passage to Profit everyone, the Roadto entrepreneurship where we talk with startups small
businesses and discuss the intellectual property thathelps them flourish. We have on our
show just an amazing. Guess I'mso looking forward to speaking with her.

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She's Sonya Satra, who is actuallya famous actress who appeared on Guiding Light
and One Life to Live and nowshe's entering a new phase where she's a
fitness author and a motivator and we'regoing to hear all about her new program.
And then we have Phil Toussant whohas Ecopreneur Media, which is a
really cool way to help the worldso that your grandkids have a place to

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live. I'm not going to sayanymore right now. And then we have
Mami Bio and TJ Shat with vitalivy infusion. It's amazing, so you
want to hear what they have tosay. And it's not just infusions,
it's vital infusions. These guys areway ahead of it, so they're way
ahead of the curve. But beforewe get to our distinguished guests, now
it's time for IP in the Newsand we're going to be talking about Katie

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Perry and the song that was populara while ago. It was called dark
Horse and it really made it tothe top of the charts. But guess
what she's getting sued for copyright infringementand actually the case got resolved. But
it's really interesting because the people whosued her only sued her for like four
notes in the song, which Ihappened to think, even as an intellectual

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property rowyer is a little on theoutrageous side. Right, They used copyright
law. They got an award fortwo point eight million, but then it
went back to court, because youknow, once you get a court resolution,
it's never resolved, and keep goingback and the case that never ends.
The court said, no, youknow, we changed our minds,
so they said allowing a copyright overthis material would essentially mount to allowing an

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improper monopoly over two note pitch sequencesor even the minor scale itself. In
the article where we learned about this, they talked about an ostenato, which
I guess is this really short sequenceof notes that appeared in the song.
I didn't even know what an ostinatowas. I had to look it up
and I listened to the Katy Perrysong and I didn't hear any ostinatos because

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I mean, it was so fast. I guess I just compled missed it.
Well, And since we're talking aboutcopyright, I do have to say
that we did get this article talkingabout this from the Things dot com and
it was by Astro Longi, publishedSeptember eighteen, twenty twenty three. But
I also want to say she putsin here Katie and Orlando Bloom, I
guess get sued a lot. Sothey were recently sued by a man who
claims he sold them their Santa Barbarahome while he was medicated. Well,

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this could be a comment for vitalivy infusions. So we'll get back to
them and the other part of this. And I guess there's now people who
are trying to blacklist the song darkHorse because made reference to the serial killer
Jeffrey Dahmer, and so they aredown on the song for that reason.
So that's pretty gross. I guessthe moral of the story is, if

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you're a famous person, you justbetter plan to get sued for just about
anything. Can you imagine her lawyers. I mean, I'm sure they're keeping
very busy. Anyway, It's Richard'sRoundtable, and I'd like to ask our
distinguished guests what they think about allof this. Sonya, welcome to the
show. What's your opinion on allof this? Copyright infringement? Sounds like
people are very sue crazy. Imean, I used to play an instrument

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years ago, and I don't knowwhat in us to not always see it,
But four notes seems a bit extreme. I mean, they don't have
ownership on all the notes on theplanet, and I've got to imagine four
notes have been put together somewhere sometimes, So that sounds a little heavy handed.
Yeah, And to two point eightmillion dollars for four notes, I

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mean that's like a lot of moneyfor notes. That's like less almost a
million dollars per note, right,So isn't there supposed to be a percentage
that is copied out of the entiresong in order for it to be infringement?
Well that's a really great point.I didn't actually read the case itself,
but two point eight on a verypopular song could be the result of
a royalty, which is what you'resaying. She may have had a royalty

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of five percent awarded against her andthat could add up to two point eight
million dollars depending on how well thesong did financially. So it's possible that
that's how they got to the number. How about the percentage of content for
the entire song? Are there ruleswith that because I thought there were it's
interesting damages and copyright cases. Theycan really be based on a lot of
different factors, and usually each sitewill have an expert that testifies about how

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much the damages should be, andso you could calculate it on any way
that makes sense. Lots of timescopyright infringement comes down to more than four
notes, so you know, maybea good expert argument could be made.
On the other side, there's sucha small piece, it's really not worth
a full five percent. I thinkthe question is, though, how much

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can you copy without getting in trouble? Right? Is that what you're trying
as So when had one said itwas like seven to ten percent, anything
over that and you're in trouble.I don't know. It was random numbers.
You're the expert. I'm curious.But sometimes people say that and that
that may not be a bad wayto think about it. The test for
copyright infringement is substantial similarity, andthat's really a very subjective standard. You

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can put that in front of abunch of different people and they would all
come to a different conclusion. Butthat's the legal test. Are the music
lyrics? Are the songs? Arethe film pieces. Are they substantially similar?
And people look at it and theysay yes it is or no it's
not. And it really just kindof comes down to that. Anyway,
Phil, what do you have tosay about this? Yeah, you know,
I come from a very interesting generationof gen z, so that right

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there kind of speaks for itself.You know. The biggest thing that I
kind of see when it comes tothese things is like anybody getting canceled.
Now, there's this huge cancel culturethat you deal with, and you know,
seeing like really just anything from likenineties hip hop to you know,
movies that I grew up watching.It's like, oh, you know,
everybody's kind of against this and that, and like they just want to cancel
this. It's honestly crazy, andit can get a little out of hands

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sometimes for sure. That's really true. I mean, you know, there's
all sorts of saying the society hasright. So there's the lawsuit part,
but then there's also the social part, right, which can play a big
role. And so as I mentioned, you know, dark Horse people are
objecting because of Jeffrey Dahmer and thatcan also have consequences. So good point.
What about our team here from vitalIV infusion. So welcome to the

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show. What do you think aboutall of this? I think they're taking
it to the next level. Ithink that social media, Twitter things is
almost like a small fire that justexplodes with certain topics. So some of
the outrage is to continue the cloutof the topic, not necessarily to just

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be to just be so happy,is just to stay relevant with it.
So the people who sued Katie Perry, they were a band called Joyful Noise,
right, and so who's to saythat they didn't do this just so
they could get some publish Okay,right. I mean it's kind of like
they're like, let me hear theoriginal. So TJ, what do you
think. I think it's takes awayfrom the artist. I think it's just

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like if I'm a new, upand coming artist, I would be freaked
out out of my mind if I'mgoing to be suited for everything I put
out or I think artists in generalshould just have this freedom of exploring and
doing things without some of these backlashesand things to that extent. Yeah,
I mean, do you really thinkthat Katy Perry listened to this song from
Joyful Noise and said, I'm goingto copy these four notes and put it

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in my new song. I meanthat just doesn't you know you could you
could see it if somebody like deliberatelycopies, but you know that doesn't seem
like it's likely here ken you,I don't know. I feel very differently
than everybody else in the room.I think working in this business. I
think the whole AI situation that's happeningnow where people can borrow people's voices,
and I do think there's certain circumstanceswhere people do listen to certain songs and

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they're inspired and they're like, oh, just borrow those few notes and no
one will pay attention. What Ithink is impressive about her legal team or
whoever's legal team this was that suither, as they were able to prove
their case. I think it's greatthat she or the people who were suing
her were able to protect their intellectualproperty and their creativity. I also think
I feel the way same way aboutmy voice, Like if I hear my

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voice somewhere according to AI rules now, like I can't even protect my voice.
I hear songs all the time byDrake that are remade using his likeness
in his voice. It's like,there's no protection in that space when it
comes to the use of your voice, but there's protection when it comes to
musical notes. So it's kind ofa little bit of a disparity in the
world of creativity, and I'm justwondering, I don't know how that's going

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to be navigated in the future,and like how you, as a media
person or something like that, canbe protected in terms of people using your
voice or likeness. You know,that's a really good point because back in
the eighteen hundreds, when people wrotesymphonies or they did folk music, there
wasn't as much dissemination of the musicas there is now now On the Internet,

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anybody can create anything really really fast, and it gets out there really
really fast, and it's really hardto keep up with because even if you're
well meaning, it's hard to keepit straight what you heard versus what you're
doing now. I would imagine fora lot of musicians that's kind of a
challenge. And there's just so manysources out there that didn't used to exist.
Yeah, so how do you keepup with all that? And now

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you've got AI in on top ofit makes it even trickier. I'll say
one more thing too about that song. So that song was also remade for
fitness class use, so I teachcycling, and that has been in some
of the playlists that I've seen.So not only did Katie Perry make money
off of the original use of itor creativity of it, but she also
made use of it in other placeswith these other companies that are doing remakes

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of it. So I don't know. I'm for the people if they were
able to prove their case and shedid borrow it. I also have some
discernment in my spirit about that song. So it's interesting to hear that it
was about Jeffrey Dahmer because then Ilistened tom like, it sounds pretty dark.
So now that I hear that it'sabout him, I'm like, that
makes perfect sense. Definitely is dark. I mean it's called dark Horse,
yeah, right, is definitely darkanyway. I guess the moral of the

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story is if you've become which andfamous, you can be sued multiple times
for just about anything. And Iguess that just kind of goes with the
territory, right, But we havehere a famous actress. We're very ready
to be I can defend you.I promise to defend you. So anyway,
Sonya Satra has been a TV actresson Guiding Light and One Life to

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Live and we all know those names. And now she's also a fitness thought
leader and author. She has anew book out that's called what If It
Were Easy? That's a great questionto ask, what if it were easy?
And so tell us a little bitabout the book. I know that
you have a special term that you'reusing for it called motor size. Did

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I say that correctly? Did?All right? And so tell us about
motorizing and your book. Motor Sizeis really a hybrid of coaching and exercise,
and it's gosh, it's had abit of an evolution from my acting
days all the way to the timeI came up with it. Was at
the gym. I was on atreadmill and I was just running and you

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know, they've got the big giantTVs playing lots of news and negative stories,
and I was like, Wow,this doesn't seem like a great thing
to be doing while I'm working out. It's really bringing me down. And
I thought, wouldn't it be greatto just have a vision board or to
be doing something to use all thesemindset tools that I had used in the
past. I knew they were effective, but it wasn't necessarily doing all of

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the time. And that was thebeginning of wouldn't it be cool if I
could just be efficient and effective?I was a new mom, you know,
looking to save time. I coulddo exercise and mindset all at the
same time. And that was reallythe day I came up with motor size.
Originally motivational exercise, Now I reallylook at it more as manifestation through

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movement, because it's quite amazing thethings that come up for people during classes
and even right after classes or coachingsessions. I think there's really something to
this. In fact disclosure here wewere talking before the show. I already
signed up for a sale. I'mnot gonna walk while we do it.
And I do think that it isimportant when you're moving especially. I've heard

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this from different sources. What goesinto your brain while you're moving, Well,
there's a lot that happens in yourbrain and your body. People often
refer to the endorphins, right,we know all those good feeling chemicals,
the adrenaline, the serotonin, thedopamine, all those feel good things.
But there's also we now know growththat happens, so something called BDNF is

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released and that creates new brain cells. So there's actually a whole new growth
process happening, and when you connectit to emotion, you can actually create
new neural pathways. Thoughts are likepaths, right If you're on a path
and the one that most people walkis going to be tramped down. But
if you're trying to start something new, create new habits, you know,

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it's a little more like bushwhacking.So we need to tamp down that one,
so that becomes the new neural pathway. And that's a lot of what's
happening in this movement. Because yourbrain is open, it's more creative,
it's more focused, you can makebetter decisions. It taps the motivation center
of your brain. So all ofthis is happening, and it's also more

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susceptible because it's quite open to what'scoming in. So it is a good
time to really think about things orto focus on something that's more positive as
opposed to being bombarded with negative thoughts. I do wholeheartedly feel like when you're
doing movement, whatever you're thinking aboutor doing goes deeper into your brain.

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Like I've heard that so many times, and I have to say I was
a good student in school and Igot pretty good grades, but I would
take notes with my hand during everyclassic, copious amounts of notes, and
that really helped me learn the material. There's a lot of science behind that
taking notes, and I do thinkthere is something about the physicality of it.
And you know, we really aredesigned to move, and therefore every

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system in our body has a rewardsystem for it, and so that's part
of your brain. Your nervous system. It locks in muscle memory and thoughts,
and so we want to try toshift and lock in positive thoughts and
nervous system things. Your immune systemis up. It's huge for mental health.
I mean the studies around walking orexercising to depression. There are some

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countries, even New Zealand and Australia, who goes so far as to say
that you might be depressed because you'renot moving, and they will make exercise
be the first line of defense beforethey'll hand out medication. So I'm not
suggesting, I'm not a doctor,you should get off medication if you're on
it, just if you do strugglewith anxiety or depression. Definitely adding movement

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will help. So we have timefor one more question before we go to
break, but I know Kenya's gotto have a comment here. Yeah,
I was just crazy, what isthe content like? And like do you
have? You always had a fitnessbackground, so I would say I started
mindset first. I always worked out. I was very active in fitness.
But once I came up with thisidea, I got all the certifications for

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the fitness and combine the two.But I think it was driven by the
mindset first, because I was reallylooking at this to propel my mindset and
to help achieve goals. Our specialguest Sonya Satra, who is talking about
motor size and she's got a brandnew book, What If It were Easy?
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Richard and Elizabeth Gearhart our special guestSonya Satra, who is talking about
motor size, and she's got abrand new book, What If It Were

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Easy. What If It Were Easyis really teaching the concept of motor size,
So it's telling people, it guidesthem through that step by step process.
And in the book, I dowhat I call a modi minute,
so it's one exercise with one mindsetjust to give people a taste of what
that's like. And there are videosso you can queue our code to the
actual live video and try it out. So it takes you through that step

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by step process around a goal,and it's any goal. It doesn't have
to be a fitness goal. It'sa lot of people use it for business,
for relationships. And then the secondhalf of the book is kind of
the superpowers that you need to achievea goal, so things like courage or
persistence, or patience or maybe alittle daring. That also has a Modi
minute and also lots of coaching andtips and tricks on how you can achieve

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that. So is that like avisualization where you're visualizing yourself or are you
repeating phrases that are optimized for improvingwhat you want to improve? So it's
really a combination of all of them. So I always look at it as
three major tools that are in here. So the first is visualization, which
is super powerful, so really visualizingyourself achieving the goal. We do though,

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be do have right step into whatdoes that look like? What does
it feel like? Allow yourself todream because so often that's hard for bolts
like you put on the breaks beforeyou even get started, and so it's
just a process. That's also wherewhat if it were easy started to come?
But I can circle back to that. So we open that up and
you visualize what that feels like.Then we step back into what do you

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have? It's one of my favoritequestions because I find when you have a
challenge or a goal or something thatfeels hard, people always look at all
of the things they don't have,right, all of the challenges. I
don't have time, I don't havemoney of this, and I'm that I'm
not good enough all of that stuff, and then we'll go to what do
you need? What's stopping you?We'll burn a little of that. Then

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we'll look at action steps and we'llvisualize ourselves taking those action steps. That
is so powerful because we don't knowwhat we have. We don't and we
don't know what we know that otherpeople maybe want to know. I mean,
right, I'm not sure. No. I was at a meeting and
I mentioned this show and somebody askedme, I want to pick your brain

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on how to start a podcast.It was like, I'm not sure,
I'm the expert, and someone said, are you kidding me? You do
too, you know a lot,right, right, So I'm giving a
presentation on it at the same meeting, and I didn't even know I knew
that, right, So I thinkthat's really powerful what you're doing. Yeah,
it's So that's the one question Ithink people totally jump over and it

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changes everything because we'll go to tryto come up with action items from a
place of lack of feeling like I'mnot quite there, I don't have what
I need, I'm not in aposition, or I'm not good enough,
or I don't know anything right,when you know a ton of things,
so when you actually look at whatyou know, it opens up the world,
and it will open up ideas,it opens up energy, it opens

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up a lot. And so that'sa really important part of the process.
So it's using questions like those questionsare great because our brains are sort of
like Google. It will answer prettymuch what we ask. So if we
ask why not getting anything done?Or why do I suck at this?
You know it will answer. It'sgoing to go through the recesses of your
brain and figure it out for you. But if you ask, how can

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I do this, or what's onething that I can do to make this
happen. Then all of a suddenit starts finding those answers too, So
the powerful questions, the visualization,and then we do some affirmations too,
which I like to put to boxingbecause I love boxing. I have a
question. When I work out.Occasionally my mind wanders right and so I'm

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not sure I can stay focused whileI'm working out, especially if there's music
or some I'm trying to count situps or whatever. How do you handle
those situations. That's why it helpsto have somebody guide you. It really
makes a difference. So whether it'sa class situation or a one on one
situation, it really does because ourminds naturally wander, that's what they do,

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and so this is just helping topull it back. Once you get
used to the process and you knowit really well, it's easier to slip
into people clients I've had who've doneit for a long time, they know
it, they go right into it. But in the beginning it does help
to have somebody guide you and topull out those pieces too, because sometimes
you'll be asked what do you haveand you're like, uh uh right,

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and I'm like, I know yougot something. So the name of the
book is what if it were easy? And how did you come up with
the title. So, just asI had become a coach, my husband
was a television producer and he hadwhat they call a first look deal and
so he was basically paid for ideas. And we were living here and the
company that had hired him called himback to LA and we figured it was

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a formality he was going to gosign the next deal. We just had
a baby, so we went toLA to sign this new contract and sitting
at the bottom of a parking garageand sunset boulevard with the baby sleeping,
and he comes out and he's white. I was like, what happened.
He's like I was fired. I'mlike, oh, no, I can't.

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It was just unimaginable that that wasgonna happen. He's just like,
what are we gonna do? Wejust had a new baby. We got
this in New York, we haddad. It's impossible. And we started
brainstorming from a place of lack oflike, oh my gosh, panic not
a good resourceful place. You coulddo this or this or this. And
he's like, no, I can, it's impossible. And he had this

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idea that a million dollars somehow isgoing to set him free. And so
he's like, it's impossible to earna million dollars in this business. And
I was like, well, somebody'sdone it, so it's not impossible.
And he's like, no, it'simpossible. This is a disaster. What
are we going to do? Andmy new coaching brain was like, uh,
well, what if it were easy? And he just looked at me
like, you know, it's noteasy. You know you were in this

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business. And I was like,well, what if it were easy,
what would you do? And thenhe kind of stopped. He's like,
well, if it were easy,I'd start my own company. And that
had not been any of the thingson our brainstorming list and I was like
really, So then we started tofigure that out. Next day he started
a company. One year later,he made a million dollars. A great

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story. I love that. That'samazing. What if it were easy?
You just don't know. It opensup It gives you permission to really go
for what you want. I lovethat because I guess when I first saw
the title, I thought, well, we're gonna make all of these things
easy for you. But it's reallya mindset. It's really a way of

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looking at things and removing barriers towhere you want to go and what you
want to be as true. Soin terms of like the transformation process of
like the people and the folks thatyou work with through your program, what
has that been like and is therelike any case studies you can share on
like what successes look like for someof the folks that you've worked with.
Share So, I actually do workwith a lot of entrepreneurs. I love

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working with entrepreneurs because I think everythingimpact It's a lifestyle really, right,
so everything your health, your relationships, your work, and so I think
they gravitate very much to this kindof a process knowing that everything impacts everything
and within that well, one myhusband did become one of my first best
clients and he ended up selling hiscompany for eight figures and he does motorize

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every day. But I've also hadother clients come up with brand new business
ideas, other brand new business strategiesthat they've implemented that has made them easily
six figures. I've had people Iwas telling you even that's when it started
with the manifestation. Somebody walked outof a conference where I was doing motor
size and they were like, Igot a client five minutes after I left.

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I can't believe it, you know, And so increase of clients.
And then on the other side,I've had people on hell things. I
had a client who lost three hundredpounds. That was a lot star businesses
also deal with chronic illnesses and overcomesome of the things that's to them in
that and pursue what they really wantedfall in love, find love, fix

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relationships, fix family relationships. Sothat's great. Yeah, there's kind of
been a lot actually, and Ireally love how you're doing two positive things
at once, right, you're exercisingyour body and exercising your mind, right,
and exactly normally we just do oneaat of time, right, so
it seems like it's super efficient.How long does a workout typically take.

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I think a sweet spot is somewherebetween forty five minutes to an hour.
It depends a little what you're doingtoo. If you're doing a cardio or
a spin or something like that,an hour is probably sufficient. If you're
walking, sometimes you can go alittle more. It's amazing though this was
a byproduct I didn't expect was peoplewho don't like exercise actually come and say

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they like it because they're not thinkingabout reps or how much longer they have
to do it. They're thinking aboutsomething that they really love. So the
mindset is feeding the body. Thebody is feeding the mind, and it
really energizes you in a kind ofunexpected but very excellent way. I agree
with what you're saying in that.In the past, I've worked with trainers
and part of their tricks are totalk to you while you're working out,

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so you're not actually thinking about whatyou're doing. You're listening to them,
and all of a sudden you're donewith the set and you're like, well
that went fast, right, Whereasif you're struggling through it yourself, it's
a whole different story, exactly,like you know. And that's and I
always say, you feel what youfocus on, right, So if you're
focusing on how much you hate liftingor how many more reps you have,

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you're going to feel more tired.There's a great study actually with cyclists.
I love this one. It wasthey took pro cyclists and they had them
cycled to capacity, and then theyhad them come back. They rested,
came back and did it again,only this time they did positive self talk
and affirmations and they went eighteen percentfurther. That much. That's a lot.

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That's a significant amount just by shiftingyour mindset. Yeah, you move
your mind to move your life becauseit does tap some of the motivation center
and because you start to get intrue alignment, things do tend to happen
faster. Does that mean it's astraight line to nirvana? Probably not right.
We all have our little obstacles,but I find that the obstacles become

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shorter and you get through them muchmuch faster and much easier. So do
people typically continue working with you fora long time because they're finding new stuff
all the time. I do.Actually. Yeah. Our special guest Sonya
Satra, who is talking about motorsize, and she's got a brand new
book, what If It Were Easy? Where can people find your book and

(28:41):
where can they find out more aboutmotorizing Soniasatra dot com. If you want
to get the book, you couldgo to what If It Were Easy dot
com. It's also available at bookstoresand I'm also on social media. That's
great. Well, thanks for joiningus. We'll be back with more Passage
to Profit right after this Hi.I'm Lisa Askles, the Inventress, founder,

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CEO, and President of Inventing ato Z. I've been inventing products
for over thirty eight years, hundredsof products later and dozens of patents.
I help people develop products and putthem on the market from concept to fruition.
I bring them to some of thetop shopping networks in the world QBC,
hsn Evinelin and retail stores. Haveyou ever said to yourself, someone

(29:26):
should invent that thing, Well,I say, why not make it you.
If you want to know how todevelop a product from concept to fruition
the right way, contact me LisaAskals, the Inventress. Go to inventing
atoz dot com inventing atz dot com. Email me Lisa at inventing adz dot
com. Treat yourself to a daychock full of networking, education, music,

(29:51):
shopping and fun. Go to mywebsite inventing atoz dot com. Passage
to Profit continues with Richard and ElizabethHard. It's on to Kenya Gibson.
Time for Power Move. Kenya forPower Move. This week we are going
to be talking about Marcus Smith.So. Marcus is an NFL veteran.
He is a mental health advocate.He's a father and he is a man

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of faith, and he was recentlyon My Power Move podcast talking about his
journey through football and athletes and howthey deal with all the inner struggles of
mental health. Talked about some ofthe experiences that some of them have with
suicide and it was just really agreat awareness episode about his story and how
he's helping athletes really push through tothe other side of their full potential and

(30:34):
healing. So you can check outhis full story on My Power Move podcast
and you definitely should do that.Where can we find your Power Move podcast?
So it's basically where you can listento most of your podcasts. You
can check it out on Spotify.You can also go to my Instagram page
which is coach Kenya and there isa link in my bio there if you
want to check it out. Thatsounds great, Elizabeth, Yes, So

(30:57):
for those of you who haven't heardpeople are say it every time. I
have a few different things I'm workingon. One of them is the Jersey
Podcats, and it's a podcast aboutcats with Danielle Wooly and it started because
we had a cat that had thiscondition to was scratching himself. We couldn't

(31:18):
figure out how to help him,and we thought if we start a community,
people would give us ideas. DanielleWooly is fabulous on this podcast with
me. She's hilarious. We're reallyhaving a good time. We interview people
and we download it once a weekand we've just gotten really cool people on
there. But I love talking aboutcats and other things too, so the
Jersey podcats. And then I haveBlue Streak Directory, which is a video

(31:40):
directory of professionals B to B professionalsonline. I'm waiting on the website now
and I was kind of like,what am I going to do with this?
And then I met Sonya and shewas like, I'm going to help
you with this. So we aregoing to meet next week and we're going
to think about this and Passage toProfit. I'm working with some of our
sponsors to see what we can dowith this and see how they want to

(32:01):
be involved. And you know,I just love doing this show. I
learn every single week, I learnat least one new thing, usually more.
And I feel like I'm at thecutting edge of the world today because
of the people that we have onthe show. So that's me, that's
right, And if you want tobe on the show, or if you
want your brand represented on the show, please contact us at the Passage to

(32:22):
Profit show dot com. So onto our next guest, Phil Toussant with
Ecopreneur Ecopreneurmedia dot com and I wentto his website. This is very cool,
Phil, Please tell us what you'redoing. Absolutely. Yeah. So
we are volunteer platform and we workwith students and schools across the country to

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help them really just get their communityservice hours done and you know, really
kind of going back to your pointsonya of you know, motor sizing,
really just getting them outside of theclassroom and getting involved and learning and doing
those types of things. So it'sreally really fun and it has a positive
impact it does. So what kindof projects are they getting involved in?
So there's over fifty different categories thatwe have on our platform, so it

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really ranges from tree planting to beachcleanups to city cleanups, you know,
whatever that may be specifically, andreally just those students can get involved and
really just be a part of thoseprojects and fulfill those hours, get those
kind of things done and feel goodfor doing. So the cool thing about
our platform though, is that youget rewarded for doing so. We give
out points to these students every timethat they're volunteering for every hour, and

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then they can redeem that towards amarketplace that we've built into our tech.
So it's really really interesting. That'sgreat. What motivated you to start this
project? It really kind of goesback to the when I was in college,
I went on an Everglades field tripproject. I never camped in my
life. I had to camp forten days down there, straight up in
the you know, middle of it, and I was like, man,

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this is crazy, Like you know, it was just a surreal experience for
me, but it opened me upto a lot of the climate change kind
of like effects that they were dealingwith, as well as different kinds of
crazy things that I saw firsthand.And I opened my mind and I was
like, I really want to getinvolved in this work. I want to
be a part of the action that'sgoing to be behind changing our world and
making it better. And that's kindof like where all started. At that

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point, I kind of move forwardwith it. Started it off really as
a YouTube channel we were doing atthe time, and at that point it
was just educating people about you know, sustainability, getting involved, learning about
different problems and things that they're reallykind of like removed from at the end
of the day. And then atthat point, it was really kind of
the pandemic crazy time for everybody,and it forced us to kind of pivot

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and we wanted to really just listento our audience see what people wanted,
and people wanted volunteering, so wegave that. That's really great because everybody
wants to do something right, especiallyyoung people who maybe have a little time.
They're looking for community, to bea part of a positive community.
Absolutely, so this is a greatopportunity for them to get involved and meet

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other people and put something on theresume exactly. Yeah, And the really
cool thing about it is that itgoes beyond the classroom. As I mentioned,
there's service learning that comes with that, and you see an uptick with
you know, students just performing inthe classroom because of the fact that they're
getting that exposure and just being ableto go and learn and do different things,
which is really really cool. There'salso just a lot of studies behind

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students being able to outperform other studentsjust based off of doing this work.
Even college students that want to getinvolved and they're looking to get a position
outside of school and really get intothe real world. We've seen that,
you know, just being part ofthese things and doing this work allows you
to excel and stand out amongst yourpeers. So how does the process work.
So there are two sides to yourwebsite, right, the people that

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want volunteers and the people that wantto volunteer exactly. So let's say I'm
looking for somebody to clean up mytown. Yeap, I go to your
website. You go to my website, So you would go on to ecoprenurmedia
dot com. You can sign up, whether you're a municipality or an NGO,
you can go on pretty much makea profile and it's as simple as
kind of an event right where youcould just throw up a project and really
they're just kind of like a landingpage that would be created for your project.

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From there, volunteers we work withthe schools directly, so high schools,
colleges, universities across the US thatare looking to get their students involved
in things like that, they wouldjust go ahead make a profile and then
from there those students can get involvedand start signing up for those projects.
It's as simple as that great idea. Thank you Kenya. How are you
monetizing the platform? So we chargeschools of fat yearly rate subscription to be

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a part of our platform. Andthen like the other end user, who's
like the student, like, howdoes that work when they come onto the
platform? Do they pay? So, no, the student doesn't pay.
It's all part of the package kindof subscription that the school's paying for essentially
for their students to get access tothat nice So it really allows for the
students to just make a profile,go ahead and get involved and get started.
What's really cool is we're building alsothe technology. We just got an

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investor, so it's been really excitingfor us to kind of like ramp things
up as we have the base platform, but now we're kind of building the
school portal essentially for the students andthe schools be a part of what's really
cool about that is going to allowfor groups to be created and athletic directors
and things like that to get involvedand really be hands on with their students
and especially athletes as well that arelooking to fulfill those hours and build their

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resumes and things. Wow, that'sgreat. Absolutely, it's been so exciting.
We've started partnerships this year. Sowe've had a bunch of municipalities in
Massachusetts, New Jerseys where we kindof started off and we started to build
our team over the summer. Wealso have the YMCA Salvation Army. We've
worked with Camden, New Jersey.It's been really exciting to have a lot
of different municipalities and NGOs you know, starting to be a part of the

(37:35):
platform and expanding with us. Whatwe're doing right now at the moment is
really because of the new investor thatwe had just you know gotten, we're
going to be building the school portalmore in depth and also just more kind
of features for the municipalities for themto be able to get the help that
they need. What's really interesting downthe road is we kind of see it
as a more of the billion dollarplatform kind of like goal is to involve

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brands and that's where they kind ofbecome a part of the marketplace that can
give up rewards that students can earnthrough the points that they get on our
platform. We have a really coolterm that we coin it called it incentivized
activism, essentially allowing for people todo good but get incentivized for it,
so it's a rewarding good behavior essentially. That's excellent. So I'm assuming that

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this is going on a lot ofcollege applications. Absolutely, that's the biggest
thing too. It's allowing for thosekids to build essentially a service resume and
align for them to be able tothen showcase that and say, hey,
this is what I've done, thisis the work that I've helped in local
communities, really collective local impact.The next six months for us is really

(38:36):
just going to be to be ableto not only build the platform, but
make sure we get the right wordout. For example, we're looking at
National Honor Society as like an organizationwe want to work with to be able
to say, we know you guyshave millions of students across the US.
We want to be able to serviceto them and give them this platform essentially
to be able to utilize it.Really just making sure that the team is
core and perfect as can be forus to be able to execute accordingly.

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So most entrepreneurial ventures have some sortof team. What kind of positions do
you have and how do you attractteam members to be part of your team.
The biggest thing that we say withthe entrepreneurs, you work for the
mission, not the company, andthat's extremely important when you're building a company.
You want to make sure that you'rekind of essentially getting people on the
mission and what we're trying to doand the good that we're doing. The

(39:21):
really cool thing about that is peoplebelieve in that mission and they want to
be a part of that and theywant to help grow it. And that's
where we've started to see that alignmentoverall. So when it comes to you
know, myself, my co founderwho's the CEO, and we also have
a design team, we have amarketing team, sales team, development team,
and they're all kind of based indifferent areas. One cool thing is
we've adapted so in the times thatwe live in now, you know,

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there's a lot of remote teams,especially kind of hybrid and things like that,
right, So we've taken that intoaccount and we're like, you know,
we have our developers, some ofthem in Lithuania that are going to
be meeting with us in a coupleof weeks. We have you know,
somebody down in Dallas, Texas.We have people out in California, so
we're really kind of spread, youknow, and just trying to like kind
of really build our team abroad andreally you know, taking that into account

(40:06):
as we're growing. So one ofthe things that you're talking about is the
website that seems to be like sortof the lynchpin of the organization. How
did you find somebody that you hadconfidence in and wanted to hire to kind
of hand over the whole thing tothem, right, Yeah, So I
went through probably three to four differentdevelopers just to find that person, and

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it was actually a connection through mygirlfriend, which was kind of funny.
She was the one that introduced meto the developers that are on my team
now because she was building a platformherself that was oriented around babysitting. From
there, we were able to thenkind of like pick their brain, do
some testing, and then it justworked out. When it comes to our
platform, there's kind of a threesided marketplace essentially of municipalities and NGOs,

(40:50):
schools and students, and then aswell as in the future of the brands,
the brands that can come on andessentially sponsor and be a part of
this, allowing for that tangible kindof impact which is really exciting. It
all intricately works because we did alot of that research and outreach essentially great.
So where do people go to findthis? Absolutely so we're all over
social media ecopreneer Media. You'll findmyself ecopreneur Fill as well on there,

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and then we also have our websiteecopreneermedia dot com. So if you guys
have any questions or want to reachout, if you want to be a
part of this in any way ashape or form, I'm excited to chat
with you. Excellent. Well,thank you very much, Phil Tusson.
That was excellent. Now we areon to our final presenters and we have
Mami Bio and we have Tjshat withvital Iv Infusion. I will say it's

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in our hometown of Chatham, NewJersey. It's an amazing business. Tell
everybody what you guys are doing.Please. So we have an infusion clinic
and Chatham, New Jersey. Soit's where holistic meets medicine. So it's
basically a wellness clinic that we have. We do IVY hydrations, hangover remedies,

(41:58):
IVY vitamins, nad ketamine, andwe do weight loss so array of
different products we have at the clinic, so there are a lot of hangover
people. Does it work like amillion bucks? So TJ, you were

(42:22):
actually giving these infusions at an eventat Themollis Short Hills, but in a
coworking space. People were actually comingin and I got a vitamin infusion when
I was there, and I didfeel better. All the vitamins and supplements
we take via the stores, etcetera, they don't really readily get absorbed
in our GI system. So sayyou take a B complex pill in the
morning, you're probably going to getforty percent of that at best. The

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only thing you may get a higherpercentage is vitamin C, maybe get sixty
percent. But when we infuse itthrough the iv you're bypassing all that acid
in your stomach and you're getting onehundred percent of everything that vitamin should be
doing. So that instant aspect ofthe ivy and the benefits from the vitamin
is why you feel great quickly andlast a little bit longer. So you're

(43:06):
really sticking needles in people, right, So this is intervenous Like when you're
in the hospital, right and youhave a bag hanging over you, and
then there's this tube. We inserta needle in the vein and then we
administer all the either the IVY vitaminsor NAD therapy or weight loss stuff or
even our ketamine goes straight through theintravenous can. We talk about the ketamine

(43:27):
a little bit. I don't knowwhich one of you would like to talk
about it. But it's recently beenlegalized, right like in the last couple
of years. Yeah, ketamine hasbeen utilized since the sixties and seventies,
but in hospital settings for IVY anesthesia. Just recently, in the last four
to five years, FDA approved intrnasaltherapy for treatment resistant depression and suicidal idolation.

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IV therapy has been off label usefor those aspects for about ten years
or so. Now it's gaining popularity. Now we have IV vitamin therapy,
so we do a multitudal of IVvitamins, so we have vitamin C,
different forms of B vitamins. Wealso do different forms of magnesium therapy,
and then for our athletes and justin general, we do a lot of
amino acid therapy as well. Wedo a combination and curate to the person's

(44:14):
needs. That's sort of our greatestthing is I think we make it more
of a subjective thing to the personand instead of it just being like you
pick off the menu, which youcan do, but we sort of like
to mix and match things for theperson and their lifestyle and their age everything
to that extent. Our most populardrip is the Meyers Cocktail that has a
broad range of IVY vitamins, andsometimes people come in if they lack energy.

(44:37):
You just feel like burnt out,or maybe you come from working out
extensively, or you come from traveling. So a lot of people will google
or look up like IV hydration tobasically replenish yourself. NAD is a new
thing also that's been pretty popular.Sometimes you'll even hear about it with the
Kardashians. What is nad? SoNAD is a natural coenzyme that we have

(45:01):
in our bodies, but it getsdepleted over time from just an aging process,
working out too extensively, not workingout enough, not get enough sunlight
sometimes when you're fatigue and boost yourmetabolism. So like the first day is
like a detox. You might feelfatigued the first day, then you get
that burst of energy afterwards. Icould yeah, yeah, and that is

(45:24):
all natural and it does help withmild anxiety mild depression because it naturally increases
your serotonin levels. What are theI guess, long term benefits of going
on a program with you versus youknow, people taking like psychotropic drugs or
things like that to stay in agood place mentally for us, With the
ketamine, it's more of a controlthing. So when I administer at IV,

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and to that extent, I knowthe exact dosage I'm giving you,
whereas with the psychotropic stuff, thestudies are great, but there's no dosing.
There's still studying everything. As faras IV, I know how much
systemically got absorbed, and then wecan maintain so after a person finishes a
series with us, we keep themon a chronic maintenance aspect as well,

(46:07):
in addition to everything they're doing.But it's for that aspect of things.
And the ketamine is a little differentthan the philocybin or MDMA in terms of
just the receptors that it works on, so it works a little differently than
those aspects. I can say Iknow several people who've done it, including
some people who are very close tome, and the results were really incredible,

(46:28):
and they had tried a lot.One person I know had been depressed
his whole life, and he dida whole series and he's like, it's
a miracle. I am really achanged person. So I think the integration
process after is also important. ButI just I'm a big believer of it.
I've seen the results firsthand numerous times. I will add to that.

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So I had a family member sufferingthrough postpartum that led to major depression,
even suicide ideation. So on theother end, sometimes they feel helpless,
You feel hopeless and helping them,and sometimes the pill form is just not
enough, or it has side effectsof weight gain and different things that turned

(47:15):
you off from even maintaining consistency withit. So that was part of why
we started it, And me andTJ and our other partner, we were
in the front line during COVID withICUs and everything, so we give ketamine
as an anesthetic, you know,during surgeries, So seeing afterwards it helped
a lot. So in terms oflike the affordability factor, like because obviously

(47:37):
the more consistent you are with somethinglike this, the better the results are
going to be. How do peoplewho may have a misconception that this is
not affordable for them fit into whatyou have to offer in terms of the
ketamine therapy. Insurance companies have beenmore and more open to reimbursement. So
when we first opened a year anda half ago to two years ago,
people were getting about fifteen percent reimbursementas far as their whole series. And

(48:00):
now from our patients, we've hadabout almost sixty percent reimbursement and some of
you even have been fully reimbursed.But it's so subjective to the insurance company.
I think our pricing. Our firstmeeting that when we opened was like
it has to be accessible, Likethat's our biggest thing, and if you
can't come to us, there's nopoint of us even considering wellness because how

(48:21):
can someone afford a thousand dollars infusion. So we try to be the most
accessible, and I think even inour communities, and I'll make this point
really quick, like in communities ofcolor especially, it doesn't seem affordable and
it's not really part of our culture. And like one of the things that
I've been working on is just makingsure that we're creating accessibility right when it
comes to mental health resources. SoI love that you have that mindset and

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our biggest thing is that in education, And I think a lot of it's
knowing, because like in our communities, a lot of it's the unknown,
Like they don't know why they feela certain way. They don't know why
they're waking up angry, or whythey're leaning towards alcoholism or drugs or whatever
it may be. It's a levelof understanding. What are your plans for
expansion, because I think that thiscould help a lot of people in a
lot of places. We're ready,we're getting there. We have the office

(49:06):
fully staffed now it's running on itsown with our ability to do the consoles
like remotely and still in office.We're ready to expand we're looking to franchising.
We're looking into all those aspects ofthings and opening different clinics in different
areas. We've advised a few peoplealready. One of our patients, he
was a former VET. He actuallyjust opened his clinic in Tampa and we
assisted and consulted them through the wholeprocess and they're up and running and they're

(49:29):
working with vets hand in hand.Mental health and even hydration or taking vitamins
is such a taboo and sometimes it'sa lot of education, and we do
want broad accessibility, so that's alsowhy we offer the ivy ketamine. We
also are now credited for the vetsbecause they've been on the front line and

(49:50):
then they come back to civilian lifeand need help. But also for those
who don't have the resources for ivyd, I mean, we also have Spravado,
which is covered through insurance, Medicaid, Medicare. So we offer help
broadly and we just want as muchoutreach as we can. Mami Bio and

(50:12):
Tjshaw with the vital ivy Infusion andyou can find them at vitaliv infusion dot
com. They have a nice facilityin Chatham. I think it's a really
good setup they have. And youare listening to Passage to Profit The Road
to Entrepreneurship the Richard and Elizabeth Gearhart, Kenya Gibson and our special guests today,

(50:35):
Sonya Satra. We will be rightback. I'm Richard Gearhart of Gearhart
Law. We specialize in patents,trademarks and copyrights. We love working with
entrepreneurs and here's our client, Anya, to tell you what it's like working
with us. Anya. Hi,I'm Anya the founder of Happy Bond and
we've been with Gearhart Law for aboutsix years they followed our whole patent and

(50:55):
trademark journey and be extremely happy thatwe had them at our side, especially
because our product is a pet collagenthat has now two patents thanks to them
for the joint of the pets anda new dog food that is extremely new
and has a process that is protectedthrough their help. We really have to
thank them for guiding us through thewhole process and as a startup, made

(51:19):
it possible for us to do that. Thank you, Anya So. To
learn more about patents, go tolearn more about patents dot com and download
our free entrepreneurs Guide to Patents.That's learn more about patents dot com.
It's Passage to Profit. Now it'stime for Noah's retrospective. Noah Fleischmann is
our producer here at Passage to Profit, and he just has a way of

(51:39):
putting his best memories in perspective.Can you imagine a world without call or
ID? That was the world Igrew up in. Either you sat by
the phone all day and waited forit to ring and pounced when it did,
or you stayed out of the houseall day to avoid the call you
didn't want. Well, one day, my mother got nailed. It was
about eight o'clock on a Saturday morning. My mother and I had just moved

(51:59):
into our brand apartment and nobody wasawake. The phone woke us up.
Who could it be? My motherpicked up and turns out it was her
old friend from high school thirty yearsearlier. She hadn't spoken to this woman
in years, but she calls upand says, Hey, I got your
number from a friend and I'm intown. You want to get together.
Well, my mom's just kind ofwaking up. Her hair's a mess,
and she's in her night clothes,and she says to her, Oh,

(52:20):
you know, I would love to, but it turns out I have plans
today and I was just on myway out the door. Well, they
parted kindly and hung up, andI broke up into an explosion of laughter.
My mother didn't know what hit me. I explained to her what I
was laughing at the sight of herin her bedclothes with her hair a mess,
saying I was just on my wayout the door. And we both
laughed together for at least a goodfive minutes. It was a wonderful mother

(52:43):
and son bonding moment, and itwas made possible by a little less technology
now more with Richard and Elizabeth Passageto Profit. What a great show.
I really had an absolutely fantastic timequestion, and I think we should do
the group question. Okay, soI had, but I can still say
we had a great show. Ohwe're still having a great show. We
still have And if you want tohear the whole show from the beginning,

(53:06):
if you're just turning in. Now, what does our audience do? They
go to Passage to Profit show podcastwherever they find their podcasts. Excellent,
So it will be out tomorrow.So I am going to start with Sonya
Satra. Sonyasatra dot com is herwebsite. The question today is what has
had the biggest impact on your business? I think, at the end of

(53:27):
the day, in both businesses,even as an actress and now with what
I do, it is relationship building. Genuine relationship building, so taking the
time, getting to know people,listening a lot, and being willing to
pay things forward or do things,you know, just to help. I
think that that, at the endof the day, has probably had the

(53:49):
greatest impact. Excellent, Very interesting, yes, because you know today we're
all about social media and reaching asmany people as we can, but sometimes
we forget to actually have real relationshipswith real people because we spend so much
time trying to connect with a lotof people. Yeah, I really value
the relationships I have. Yeah,Phil Toussot Ecopreneurmedia dot Com. What has

(54:13):
had the biggest impact on your business? I would say kind of similar to
Sonia's answer, going back to whatI explained earlier of building a team and
surrounding yourself with the right people.I saw that like, once I found
the right advisors and mentors and teammembers to kind of fill the gaps that
I was missing in my weaknesses,we were able to ten x just everything
that we did. That's probably thebiggest thing that has helped ecopreneur exceed and

(54:37):
grow. Now, absolutely I agree, and that's what investors look for as
the team right one hundred percent.Maybe Bio and Tjshaw with Vitaliv Infusion vitaliv
Infusion dot Com. What has hadthe biggest impact on your business? The
biggest impact has been outreach and education. Also with the ketamine aspect of mental

(54:59):
health, is is seeing that processand developing those patient relations That's excellent.
Kenya Gibson, coach Kenya are MediaMaven. I would say COVID has had
the biggest impact positively and negatively,especially on our business. Our business has
changed all the way, like wedo nothing like we used to do it
before. Everything is a much moreinteractive experience. And I will say,

(55:22):
even personally with the things that I'mworking on in the wellness space, it's
just given me a different scope anda creative lens, and it's like really
pushed me past limitations I thought werethere. COVID was tough, but it
was impactful in that it pushed everybodypast what they thought they could or could
not do. And if you wereable to survive COVID, especially as an
entrepreneur and a creative, you havea lot to look forward to. I

(55:45):
agree, Richard Gearhart gear Heart law, patents, trademarks, copyrights and great
legal advice. Well, thank you. I think all of the new thinking
that has been taking place over theyears about how people can start their own
businesses and become entrepreneurs has really madea huge impact in our business because that's

(56:06):
what we do. We support entrepreneurswith intellectual property services. Just the thought
that you can start your own thingand be successful and you have the tools
and you have the access that youdidn't have before. Has made a huge
difference in our business. I agree. I think for me with the things
I'm working on, people are important. They can make or break your business
quite honestly. But the technology,Like five years ago when we started this,

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hardly anybody was doing podcasts. Imean, luckily we had Kenya to
lead us through, and now everybody'sdoing them. And I just started another
podcast less than a year ago withDanielle Wooley, And there's no way five
years ago we could have done thatwith the tools that were available. Now
you have pod Match, Now youhave buzz Sprout, you have Libson if
you want to do video podcasts.I mean, it's just unbelievable the technology

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that allows entrepreneurs to kind of putthings together themselves to test it. Yeah,
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