Alan Dershowitz on the newest Trump indictment

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an Orys a treat to have HarvardlowProfessor murders Alan ave Dershwiz. I guess
one of the few people in theradio industry where allan Avey right, but

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you and Joe Piscobo calls me becausehe comes from you know, New Jersey,
where Abvio is a common name.My mother claims I was the first
hobby and then everybody I was namedAbby in nineteen thirty eight. I'm turning
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titain l oh sha REPI I gottalain it. Wow. But that's perfect
for you because that's what you dealwith justice and dealing with judges. Right.
So this was said Dick to do. Yeah. Right. It's an
important principle in the partial. Soyou've written fifty two books, the latest
Want The latest one was called GetTrump and asiph from being prophetic when you

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were born that you're born in thepartia of dealing with judges. You wrote
this book months ago, and whatyou wrote about came to fruition. Right,
everything has come true. Mark Levincalled me the Jewish Nostradamis lawyer because
my predictions have all been right.Not because I'm smarter than CNN, but

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because CNN makes predictions based on theirwishful thinking. I make it based on
my sixty years of experience without anypartisan influence. So in your opinion,
will he be convicted? Will yougo to jail? He will not go
to jail. He'll be convicted andthe convictions will be reversed on appeal.
He'll be convicted in New York onthis Mickey mouse, horrible case that makes

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no sense at all, neither asa matter of law or fact. But
it'll be reversed on appeal. He'llbe convicted in Washington, it will be
reversed on appeal. They'll be therehung jury or an acquittal in Florida,
and probably be convicted and reversed onappeal in Georgia as well, although it's
surely to tell whether the case willactually be tried and Georgio will be sent

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to the federal courts. We'll waitand see about that. Now, of
all the cases, the all depundancyto think that the Georgia case is the
most serious your opinion, well,it's the most serious in the sense that
it has the mandatory prison term,but it's one of the weakest. When
you use rico or conspiracy, it'susually assigned that you don't have a strong

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case. A lot of people arepraising this case as novel, creative,
imaginative. Those are the three wordsyou never want to hear use. If
you're prosecuting the man who is runningfor president against the incumbent. You want
the case to be solid, fullof precedent, you know. Thomas Jefferson

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once put it very well, hesaid, for a criminal statue to be
valid, it has to be soclear that a reasonable man, if he
reads it while running while running,has to be able to understand it.
Well, I have to tell you, I've read this indictment while sitting and

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I'm not sure I understand that.I think the best way to explain this
indictment is this. Let's assume,hypothetically, you know, I'm going to
use the Talmudic method or what somepeople call the Socratic method. Assume for
purposes of this argument, that Trumpwas right about Georgia, that in fact
there were mis outing of the votesand there were fifteen thousand accounted votes,

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and he ends up winning Georgia asthe result of all of his protests.
People would be praising him for it. So the question is was he right
or wrong? But that's not thecriminal law question. The criminal law question
is did he believe he was right? If he believed that the election was
stolen, If he believed it wasunfair, and he did these very same

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acts, they are not criminal becausea crime, particularly conspiracy and rico,
are crimes of the mind. Youhave to agree, you have to intend,
you have to believe, and that'swhy it's going to be quite difficult
to prove it now. Of course, in the county where it's being charged,
Fulton County, it's three to oneRepublicans over Democrats, and so it

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may be a little easier to provethan it would be, say in West
Virginia, where it's the reverse.So location, location, location is everything,
not only in real estate, butit is as well in criminal trials.
So here, he believed that hethat the election was stolen, and
that's what they're going to have toprove that. If he believed it,

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or if he knew it that itwasn't stolen, and he went and said
it anyway, is that really whatit couldn't boiled down to? I think
so let me give you an example. I believed that I still believe that
the Florida election was stolen from AlGore in two thousand. Remember that after
the count he was five hundred andsixty seven votes or something like that behind.

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I think that was a stolen election. I thought so at the time.
I think so now, and Itook action accordingly. You know,
I challenged you might remember the butterflyballot in Palm Beach County. We challenged
the hanging chairs. We sought toput up slates of electors. Professor Lawrence
Tribe suggested that we lobbied the Secretaryof State and others to have a recount.

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We were wrong, but we allbelieved we were right, and nobody
suggests that we did anything wrong.Indeed, I wrote a book about it,
called Supreme Injustice, which was abest seller and very positively reviewed by
the New York Times. So,you know, you can't make something a
crime based on an honest mistake.And if Trump's belief in his winning was

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an honest mistake, he wins thecase. If, on the other hand,
they can prove me und a reasonabledoubt, it would be hard to
do that. He actually knew hehad lost the election, but Jess lied
about it to himself. But speakingabout lying, you know, it's ironic
that this case, which is allabout lying, begins with a lie from
the prosecutor. Remember the prosecutor lookedat in the eye of the television camera

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and said, I'm going to trythis case in six months, these nineteen
defendants within ninety five page rico indictment, I'm going to try it in six
months. She knew she was lyingthere's no case in the history of law
as complicated as this one that hasever been tried within six months. If

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it's tried within a year, she'llbe lucky. Every single one of the
defendants will make motions, motions tosever from each other, Their lawyers will
make motions, Their lawyers will havetrouble agreeing on dates for the trial,
because when you have forty lawyers withschedules, it's very, very difficult.
So this case will take a long, long, long time to try.

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But why would a prosecutor begin acase involving lying with a blatant lying.
She knew she couldn't try this caseto six months, So what's the purpose
then? What's the reason? Politicalof purpose? She wants to try to
get this case, try to beforethe election because she knows she might lose
an appeal, But she doesn't careif she loses an appeal as long as

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it impacts the election. Now,the problem for these prosecutors, it's so
far these indictments have been impacting theelection favorably to Donald Trump, at least
among Republicans. Even among general voters, He's in a tie with Biden.
Ella. Remember I'm a liberal Democrat. I don't vote the Donald Trump.
I vote against him. I wanthim to lose the election. But I

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care much more about the constitution andabout the rule of law than I do
about any particular election or any particularcandidate. Now do you see anything anybody
orchestrating all this, because there havebeen those that have pointed out that every
time these indictments come down and seeafter there's some negative story Aboudy the Biden,
about Hunter Biden, and they proveit every single time. Do you

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see that there's some collusion, there'ssomebody orchestrating to make sure all these things
happen to get the Biden family outof the news and put Donald Trump back
on the spot line. I don'tthink you need collusion. I think all
of the prosecutors have the same goal, essentially to get Trump. That's why
I entitled my book Get Trump,to try to prevent him from running.

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They want to deny ask the rightto vote. You may want to vote
for him, I want to voteagainst them. That doesn't matter. Each
of us has a constitutional right tocast the ballot, and no prosecutor,
no judge, no jura has theright to take that away from us.
And so you know, these prosecutions, all four of them, do constitute
election interference, even if they're notintended as election In deference, the effect

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is to prevent Donald Trump from campaigning. They're claiming this case will go in
January, February, March, April, just lead up to the convention and
then the New York case, andyou know he's going to be sitting in
court day after day because unlike acivil case, in a criminal trial,
you have to actually sit in thecourtroom and be there, so he won't

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be able to really campaign very heavilyif he has to deal with the lawyers.
Is not just sitting in court,just dealing with the lawyers and lawsuits
and conferring with them. This takestime, and energy is Sapp's energy.
So in effect, even if thetrials is pushed off, there's still a
lot of work that he has todo in between. There's no question about
that. And that's why if you'regonna try a president, if you're gonna

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put a presidential candidate, the manwho's running against the incumbent president and trial,
you better have the strongest case imaginable. It certainly should meet the Richard
Nixon standard. Where it was obviousthat he had erace tapes, he had
bribe witnesses, and everybody agreed heshould be impeached or prosecuted, even Republicans

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and many centurists did. But todaywe don't have that consensus today, Independence,
some Democrats and many Republicans think thesecases don't warrant prosecuting the president.
You know, I was interesting.I was on a TV show just recently
and somebody asked me about the indictment, and I said, it's a very

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creative and novel indictment. And that'sthe last thing you want in a case
where you're prosecuting man running for president. You don't want a novel, creative
indictment. You want a simple,basic indictment that is conventional. I put
it very dramatically. I said thatprosecutors should be C students, not A
students. They should be the onesgive the routine answer and nothing new,

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nothing creative. You know, whenthey're taking an exam, they can get
the A plus. But when they'rewriting an indictment, it should be a
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You're listening to Talk Line with ZevBrenner, America's premier Jewish broadcast on the
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Lord Professor Emeritus Alan Nave Derschus's fiftysecond book is called Get Trump Any to
exactly what is happening now? Youmentioned a few moments ago, Allen that

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you know you're a Democrat and youwould like to see Trump defeated. So
if there will be election, helltoday, donald Trump versus Joe Biden,
I guess you would vote for JoeBiden. Correct. I would. I
would do it with some reluctants.The reason I would vote Democrat is because
I support a woman's right to choosewithin a certain period of time, gay

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rights. I support separation of churchand state. I support reasonable environmental control,
reasonable gun control, and I supportSupreme Court appointments that protect civil liberties.
And so the Democrats are better onthose issues. On the issue of
Israel, obviously, Trump was excellent. I worked with him closely. I

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worked with Ivy Burke Owoods. Iworked with Derek Kushner. I worked on
the peace processes in the Middle East, and I know what a great job,
but they did. I nominated threeof them for the Nobel Peace Prize.
I nominated David Friedman and av Burke, Owoods and Jared Cushner. They
didn't get it, but they deservedit, and so did Donald Trump deserve
it for what he did. Butyou know, when you vote, you

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vote on a totality of circumstances.Since nineteen sixty, when I voted for
John F. Kennedy, I've nevervoted for a president who I thought was
perfect or anything near perfect. Iusually vote for the lesser of the two
evils with a slightly better alternative.And here I'm not thrilled with either candidate
running for president. Although they're youngerthan i am. I'm turning eighty five

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next week, Happy birthday, Thankyou, they're a little too old to
run the country, and I wouldlike to see younger people in charge of
critical decision making. So I'm notenthusiastic of Addie to candidate. But here's
the thing, though, and Iunderstand what you're saying about. You like
some of the platforms the Democratic Party, But what happening is though, an

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erosion of civil rights. And you'refor rule of law and order, and
here you see the Democratic legislators,and you see what's going on with all
these indictments, and the rule oflaw is being thrown out, and civil
rights and attorney client privilege has beentrampled upon. So how could you still
stay at Democrat when these major majorrights? This is what your whole career

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is about sedec, sedectur with justices, pursue and justice. It's just the
opposite of what's happening. I agree, but I think the Republicans would do
just as bad they have. Look, some Republicans are now calling for the
impeachment of Joe Biden. He hasn'tcommitted any impeachable offenses. Both sides are
trying to weaponize the criminal justice system. There are people on both parties that
are distorting civil liberties. I remainwithin the Democratic Party to try to get

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them to marginalize the people on thehard left, the woke anti Israel people,
and the people who deny civiliberties.My next book, which I'm finished
with that it isn't published yet,is called the New McCarthyism, and it's
about how what's going on today,particularly from the Democrats, is worse than
what the Republicans did during the OldMcCarthy ism. Because the new mccarthyites are

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young and their college students, andthey're going to be our future leaders.
So I am very concerned about theDemocratic Party, but I'm concerned as well
about the Republican Party. Right,they're concerned. But the fact is,
though, is that when it comesto rule of law and what's happening with
this using the justice system in apartisan way, and the Department of Justice
especially so that I think has beentaken to a degree with the Republicans haven't

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taken it. Well, They've takenit to a degree in a different way.
I mean, the evangelicals who Ilove on Israel would deny civil liberties
when it affects their religious practices,and you know, they're very right wing
in many respects, they would deny. Some of them would deny a sixteen
year old girl who was raped theopportunity to have an abortion two weeks after

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she became pregnant. I can't livewith that. I can't accept that.
But you're right, Democrats have thingsthat are in different ways very bad as
well. But you know I havean open mind. I made one mistake
recently. I shouldn't have voted forBarack Obama the second time around. He
talked me into it. He calledme into the Oval office. He promised

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me he would have Israel's back.I didn't realize he meant to paint the
target on so I ran can dropa bomb on it, and I wish
I hadn't voted for him. Thesecond time. I wish I had voted
for Mitt Romney. But I'm gonnawait and see what this election holds.
But at the moment, I'm stickingwith my Democratic principles, and I'm going
to try my best to keep peoplelike Elan o'mair and AOC and other radicals,

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even from my own state, ElizabethWarren marginalized in the Democratic Party.
I would not vote to the Democratsif Elizabeth Warren got the nomination, or
if Bernie Sanders got the nomination,or if anybody who was anti Israel got
the nomination, that would be forme. If Elizabeth Warren or Bernie sander
Worth to run against Donald Trump,that means we'd vote for Donald Trump without

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without a moment's hesitation. Yeah,talk to me, Hunter Biden. Because
it seems that there's a different standardof justice. That plea bargain, that
plea agreement smelled to the high heavens, and the judge unraveled it. But
how could a prosecute even enter intosuch an agreement where you just absolve them
from past crimes. It just seemedlike a whitewash, and it was unraveled

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by a judge. It was Ipredicted it that the plea bargain would not
be accepted. The reason is becausewe don't know what the plea bargain was.
We don't know whether it entailed futurecrimes or not. Prosecution said no,
the defense said yes. If itwas only for filling out a false
report on gun ownership and for failingtimely to pay taxes which you ultimately paid,

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then the bargain was fine. Butit was done without investigating Barisma and
the payments that were made on behalfof other foreign countries, then it was
really a whitewash and a sweetheart deal. And that's why appointing this guy,
David Weiss to be the special counselwas a serious, serious mistake. Hey,
it's unlawful. You have to beoutside the government, not inside the
government. He's inside the government.And second, you don't appoint the guy

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who made that deal, because he'sgoing to try to justify that deal,
both consciously and unconsciously, and tocreate a sense that, oh my god,
it wasn't so bad after all.If they find smoking guns now,
which they didn't find previously, itwill look terrible for Weiss. So he
would be exactly the wrong person.So how can they get away with that.
It's against the statue. Are you'renot allowed to points life and within

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the government Congress can hold them toit. You should have hearings. I've
urged that in which Garland is asubpoena, in which Weiss is subpoena,
and let them justify how they couldmake that appointment in light of all the
circumstances. What Garland would say,as well, he's done it for five

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years, so he knows all thefacts, and there's the law. It's
just saving it's a time. Youknow, that's exactly the wrong reason for
doing it. The five years resultedin this slap on the wrist. But
I want to understand Garland said originallythat David White said all the powers to
do what he needed to do,and then all of a sudden he says,
I'm giving you the power to doso you're absolutely right, You're absolutely
right. And of course there werewhistleblowers who said that Wei said no,

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he didn't have the power. Hecouldn't get any cooperation from the US attorneys
in California and in Washington, DC. So I think the judge should call
and I think the House should callthese folks before them and to testify what
did he actually do, what didWeiss do, what did he investigate?
He's gonna say, well, it'san ongoing investigation. I can't talk,

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yo, No Congress can make youtalk. This is a constitutional power that
Congress has to serve as a checkand balance on the excesses of the executive
branch, and this sounds like anexcess of the executive branch forgiving. But
I don't think it's going to happen. I think he's gonna get away with
this. I think Congress will lookinto it. I agree with you.

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I don't think the judge will lookinto it. I think the judge will
accept the deal as modified. Nowthe issue is whether or not the judge
even has to accept it. Thelawyers, very good lawyers by the way,
for Hunter Biden, are saying,well, the Justice Department and we
have made a deal already on thegun charge, and the judge doesn't have
to be involved in that. That'sgoing to be an interesting question for the

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judge to resolve. What do youthink the position is legally? I think
legally legally, once the judge hasbeen involved like this, it's hard to
the judge to get out of it. I think she has to pass on
it and the Justice Department won't agreeto it at this point. But the
Biden lawyers are saying that it's alreadyassigned deal. But the signed deal was

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based under on different circumstances in adifferent process. It wasn't a package deal.
It's it was all or nothing,really right, And I think they'll
I think the I think that theBiden lawyers will lose. That's my fiction.
Have you been in touch with DonaldTrump? No, that's with them
since basically since I represented him along long time ago. After that,

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I did try to get some particularlysome older Jewish prisoners who had gotten seventy
five year sentences and things like that. I tried very hard to get some
of them commutations, and I succeededin some cases, and earlier Roboshkan was
earlier. But there were a fewother cases involving one guy who was offered

(31:32):
a seven year sentence, turned itdown, went to trial, I was
convicted and got a seventy five yearswow uh, And we got that commuted
to time served, to the amountof time he actually served. So that
was the last time I was intouch with Donald Trump. That was probably
in January of twenty twenty one.But you know, I'm not a friend,

(31:53):
I'm out a supporter. I'm notpart of his his group. The
time before that, I went tothe Baumeister for dinner with some people from
some of the MRAC countries. Ican't do too much detail in order to
try to influence them toward peace withIsrael, and I was happy to play

(32:15):
that role, but he didn't reachout to it to have you represent him
in carent proceedings with the pick.I had lots of requests to have me
represent him, but I have arule that I represent somebody only once.
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(32:37):
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your host. Helenav Derschwitz is ourguest. Talk to me Martha's Vineyard and
pass Brock. As you mentioned me, they shun you because you represented Donald
Trump and you speak your mind.Has that changed? Has it gotten better
than summer? It's gotten much worse? Much much work? How could be
much worse now. They've gone torestaurants and threatened if the restaurants served me,

(37:49):
they won't patronize them. They've warnedpeople if they talk to me,
they'll be canceled. The library refusedto carry my books, refused to allow
me to speak. I threatened tosue them. Finally they allowed me to
speak, limiting it to twenty fivepeople. And the book fair, which
is supposed to be for Martha's Vineyardauthors, and I'm probably the author who's

(38:12):
written more books than anybody on Martha'sVineyard, they banned me, banned my
books. The synagogue banned me.The synagogue the Hebrew Center at Martha's Vineyard,
which is worse than Temple Immanual.The two together are some of the
most anti Israel in many ways antiJewish institutions in the world. Of both
Temple Immanuel in New York and theHebrew Center in Martha's Vineyard have banned me,

(38:36):
and instead they have Peter Binhart speaking, who denies the right of Israel
to exist. No Schuel should everdo anything like that. They should be
ashamed of themselves. So if you'rea member of Temple Emmanual protests or don't
go there. And if you're amember of the Hebrew Center, the same
thing. So what did we do? Obviously, two Jews, three opinions,
one Jew, two shuls. Webuilt a second shoel on Martha's Vineyard,

(39:00):
those who started it Habad. Wehad four hundred people wow at a
Jewish culture festival the other night,and tonight there was an event. The
other night there was an event withNaftali Bennett. It's become an incredibly thriving
place on Schabists. I get toread from the Torah for my bar,
Missfisho of Tim. We have aminion and it's been it's been wonderful,

(39:24):
and they're very pro Israel, andthey allow pro Israel speakers to speak,
unlike the Hebrew Center, which basicallybans pro Israel speakers. So otherwise I
was gonna say, why are youstill in Martha's Vineyard? But I guess
you have the Habad minion, sothat makes it easier and possible for you
to stay there fifty three years.I'm not leaving the vineyard. I came

(39:45):
here to defend Ted Kennedy, aDemocrat. I defended Bill Clinton, a
Democrat. I defended Alan krast At, a Democrat. I defended al Gore,
a Democrat, But as soon asI defended the constitutional rights of Donald
Trump, nobody in the vineyard,particularly in chill Mark, which is,
you know, an extremely left wing, intolerant place. I mean that they

(40:10):
accept no descent, no point ofview different from their own, and so
I just ignore them. They've madelife very difficult for my wife and my
children. People who my wife haveknown fears, people who got helped their
kids get into college, kept thekids out of trouble, went down of
the police station to defend their childrenwhen they got in trouble, never with

(40:31):
a fee. Represented one guy's fatherwhen he had a problem. They all
cut me off and canceled me completely. I have to tell you, it's
the best thing that they've happened tome, to see the most boring people.
It was always the one way relationship. I was always giving to them
and they weren't giving to me.So now I don't have to deal with
them. I don't have tolerant I'mthe only thing that I object to.

(40:52):
I don't care about the cocktail partiesand the dinners. I care about being
banned by the library, by thebook Fair, by the Community Center,
by the Hebrew Center. Those placesare public institutions and they shouldn't be engaged
in cancel culture. Yeah, theYiddish expression a numbersness can get takers,
not a giver, which I guessis what you're saying. But let me

(41:13):
ask you. I'm sure it bothersyou that people you've had relationship with twenty
thirty years or more, all ofa sudden because of political situation you're defending
Donald Trump have cut you off insuch a mean and nasty way. What
is it with people today? Whycan't they have tolerance of people who have
other opinions or do things which theydon't like. Isn't that the way it
used to be? What happened tous? It used to be that way,

(41:37):
and it still is that way inmany places. Many of the people
that I associate with, who Idisagree with on issues still maintain a friendship
with me. But there's this onecrowd of people in chill Mark, particularly
most of them Hollywood people, mostof them extraordinarily stupid and ignorant, and

(42:00):
they can't tell the difference between representingsomebody and supporting them, And so you
know, it hasn't affected me.It's affected my family and affected my children,
but it hasn't affected me. Butthere are a bunch of bullies and
a life goes on, and Ilived by my principles. I've always lived
by my principles and I'm not goingto change them for a bunch of Hollywood

(42:22):
people. For example, there wasa big event not so long ago,
the Jewish Democrats of Martha's Vineyard.Now, who do you associate with a
Jewish Democrat on Martha's Vineyard more thanme? Of course I didn't get invited.
And guess what word never got mentionedin a two and a half hour
event for the Jewish Democrats of Martha'sVineyard. There was one word that was

(42:44):
never mentioned. Let me guess JewishIsrael. Israel was the one word that
was never ever mentioned. And twonights ago they had Kamela Harris, and
of course I wasn't invited. Itsaved me a lot of money. I
would have had a gave, youknow, twenty five hundred dollars to Kamela
Harris to attend the event, butI wasn't invited. So I give that

(43:05):
money now to Hatsala and to cameraand to other Jewish organizations that I strongly
support because there's a change, thoughnot just regarding you, the American Civil
Liberties Union and listen, you meanthe ACLU, the Anti Civil Liberties Union.
Yes, they used to right,They used to be different American.

(43:25):
They used to represent anybody, whetherit was Nazis marching and skulkie or other
unpopular cause. I may not agreewith all the cause they supported, but
they supported everybody to have a representation. Today they will only represent people that
they like. It's a change,and not a good one. There's a
new organization called Fire Freedom Foundation forIndividual Rights of Expression, founded by my

(43:49):
friend Harvey Sivilglaite and Alan Cores,and they're taking up some of the slack
from the ACOU. But they're asmall, poor organization. The ASUS made
a fortune from becoming a get organization. Their only goal is to get Trump.
They'll do anything to get Trump,no matter what constitutional rights have to
be violated if it's for purposes ofgetting Trump. The ACLU is on their

(44:10):
side. Now, just shifting beforewe close out is I've done some program
with some prominent lawyers who have statedthat a Hasidic Jew an Orthodox Jew,
goes into a courtroom a federal courtand cannot really get a fair trial.
They should cut a plea agreement becausejuries a bias. There's a lot of
anti Semitism out there. I wantto get your perspective about that. Well.

(44:32):
I think there is plenty of antiSemitism out there, and every lawyer
has to make the decision about whetherthe plea is client or go to trial.
I've taken hussied them to trial andprevailed. I did have a former
student who was representing somebody wasn't aHustian, and my former student was a
keypa all the time, and heasked me for his advice, my advice

(44:55):
as to whether he should keep akeypa on, and I check with a
couple of rabbis and with other friends, and the advice I gave him was,
look, when you're in front ofthe jury, you're not yourself.
You are representing your client, andyou shouldn't do anything that would in any
way diminish your authority and your abilityto win. So he took us keep

(45:16):
off to make effort. When Ispoke at the French Assembly, I don't
usually wear a keypot, but whenI spoke at the French Assembly in Paris,
I put on a keypot because thereare so many people in France that
were afraid to wear them that Iwanted to symbolically demonstrate that I identify strongly
with my heritage. But I thinkpression of what you did to represent the

(45:38):
custody it might have been years orI think more recent vintage is this thing
that's tougher. And I've heard thisfrom others. No, I know I
agree with you, and therefore I'vesometimes said to prosecute us. Look,
you got to be sure you havea very strong case against the rustic because
you know you have an advantage inthe courtroom and sometimes there can be a

(45:58):
change of venue, or you canselect jurors through vadiers that can be more
helpful. But you're absolutely right.Look, and orthodox Us are not the
only people who are discriminated against,but they are among the people who are
discriminated against, not only by jurorsbut by judges. I remember once I
had a case where I was arguingand my father, who was then probably

(46:22):
seventy retired, came into the courtroomand he wore a hat. My father
didn't He was a salesman, sohe didn't wear Yamica but he wore a
hat all the time. He worehis hat in the courtroom and the judge
screamed at him and said, Sarah, take that hat if you're in a
courtroom. And I stood up andI said, you're honor. Do not
talk to anybody that way. Yourepresent the United States of America. This

(46:44):
happens to be my father, andhe's going to keep his hat on because
that's his religious obligation. The judgebacked away, but judges can be that
way as well. Final question,We'll let you go. You've told this
story numerous times about I think hewent to a Friday and I did it
with Dean Grinswald. In a Friday, I did it was like on Tuesday?
Did Okay? Was it? Butso I did. His wife had

(47:05):
made some roasbeefer on Harvard Harvard,the dean Harvard is my first year.
I was not yet tenured, andI just ate the vegetables. And the
dean called me in and said,you know, you upset my wife.
She works so hard on the roastbeek. Why don't you eat the roast
beef? And I said, well, on kosher and she said, and
the dean said kosher. What that'san anachronism. You know, Jews,

(47:27):
haven't my Jews aren't kosher to eatanything. You could go talk to your
people. So about a few dayslater he saw me in the hall and
he said, so, I said, well, you know, I spoke
to my people, and they said, we've been doing it for three four
thousand years. I think we're goingto keep it up. So I think
I stayed kosher for another several yearsas the result of that encounter uh with

(47:51):
with the Dean. Well, exceptwhen you go to Kabad, right then
you have to have kosher with Cabad. I love the food in Calabad,
I'll tell you. And Martha's Vineyard. One of the reasons that Cobad is
so popular as it has the bestfood of the vineyard. The Cobad revetson
makes kla every Friday. It's thebest cola the video has ever heard of.
So we have. And so theevent we had the other day,

(48:14):
the cultural event, included Jewish foodand it was remarkable. People on the
vineyard had never eaten food like that. We had rugg looking fla and we
had you know, just great,great stuff and everybody loved it. You
have to fight Larry David to cometo Kabat for a child. Yeah,
he wouldn't. He would never gonear anything like that. He's such a
self aiding jew. Helen Alvador stangingfor being here with us, for sharing

(48:37):
with us, and continue your strength. And I admired the fact that it's
still in the Democratic Party despite allthe things we spoke about. But you're
long. We'll see how long thatlasts. It's life is full of changes,
so do I. It was somethingin the offering that you might be
leaving. Oh no no, Butif the Democrats step over certain lines,
they lose meat. What line isthat anti Israel is one of them?

(48:59):
That's the most important one of balland becoming too woke and they have become
too welcome too, and they're notmoving that day as a direction. I'm
still giving them a chance. I'mstill fighting them on that one. Alan,
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