Democratic pollster Stefan Hankin talks about the Democrats, Israel and the Jews.

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country. Stephen Hanklin joins his founderand president of Lincoln Park Strategies. He
spent nearly two decades of experience inmarket research and data analytics and communication strategy,
public invenion polling, and he workedfor groups like America's Promise City of
Los Angeles. But he also waspart of the polling team that helped Barack

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Obama become the forty fourth president ofthe United States. He's on research and
more twenty five different countries. Hehelped over five hundred companies. But he
also has another company, which iscalled Trendness of Research. He's working,
i believe with some ANTIBDS groups andalso with Tel Aviv in an institution there.
So Stephan, welcome to the program. Thank you for joining us,

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Thanks for having me. Great tobe here. Thank you. How'd you
get involved in and postering and politics? It works to hand in hand a
lot of times being a pulster inpolitics. Yeah, I mean completely just
fell into it, uh backwards,wasn't wasn't really on my radar, And
then through a series of events thatmoved me from a family business in the

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Boston area which was commercial contracting,and then down to DC for the home
Builders Association, where where they taughtme statistics and other market research methods,
and then it took off from there. So didn't see this on the horizon,
but as you know, life happens. Fam Now, as far as
you can see, has a DemocraticParty change. It seems to be going

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more radical, more left wing than, let's say, than it used to
under the times of Bill Clinton.Even when it comes to Israel, you
find the rank and file of Democratsdone not as supportive as Israel as they
used to be. The numbers pulleddifferently than a use. So you've seen
the polls, I'm sure. Yeah, so I think I don't think the
party as a whole has shifted allthat much. And when you look at
the data and sort of some ofthese measurements are a little um, you

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know, you got taken with alittle grain assault right. But when they
look at sort of how liberal toconservative the Democrat you know what Democrats are
supporting and passing versus Republicans. Youknow, Republicans have defined definitively move further
right. Um. And then asas a whole, Democrats really haven't moved
all that much over the last coupleof decades. Um. Now that being

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said, you know, they're definitelylouder voices on the further left, um.
You know. And and then thatgets attention both from you know,
just that's what a lot of mediaoutlets like to like to show. But
then also because that's what the Republicanstalk about. Right, So you have
a handful of um, more liberalmembers of Congress who are very outspoken about

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a lot of issues, get alot of airtime, are treated as the
boogey men and women by Republicans,so they get a lot of attention.
But when you look at you know, so the leadership and the bills that
are getting passed, you know,the ship isn't massive. Um. Now
you know what we what we areseeing in a lot of our data is
that you know, the staunch supportfor Israel is weakening, um. And

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again more on the further left.Um. And that's uh. You know
what I would argue from a personalstandpoint, you know, a misguided connection
with the plight of the Palestinian people. And I'm not saying that, you
know, the Palestine people are notimportant, UM, but it's it's it's
taken a full like just anti Israel. So that but that's not that's not

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just the left. That seems themore of the rank and fall of fire.
So correctly, I believe it's fortynine percent line more with the Palestinians
versus thirty eight percent with the Israelis. So that's a shift from what it
used to me. And that's notthe left wing part of the word.
That's the rank can fall democrats.And I'm not sure if the study you're
referring to exactly, but yeah,but you know, But and then the

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other challenge that's happening, right isis the net and Yahoo government or the
various governments over the last decade orso UM is being viewed as out of
touch or are pushing in an innerdirection that UM, a lot of a
lot of Democrats are not comfortable with, especially with housing in the West Bank
and and things like that. Sonot defending the opinions, but that that

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is where the erosion UM, I'llsay, seems to be happening. UM.
And it's unfortunate and I and Ithink the you know, from again
my opinion here right that the stateof Israel is better served when both Republicans
and Democrats are are supporting the government. UM. And you know, I
wish there was uh not this notthis movement happening UM and a little bit

(12:39):
more of an olive branch uh tosome Democratic leaders and not just net and
yahoo um focusing on the Republican leadership. Well, I think that's maybe a
bit of misnomer. I think you'rereferring to when Barack Obama was president.
You helped elect them with some ofthe work that you did, but there
was a narrative that the Prime Ministerwas snubbed by President brock O. Palmer

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kept him healing and and yes,and then he went and he went to
the Republican members of Congress when theyinvited him in to speak. But that
was then. I think Israel islooking to work with both sides of the
aisle. But the problem basically isis that there's been a shift in democratic
politics and looking even President Joe Biden, he's supported of Israel, but some
of his statements lately people have takenumbrage with visa of the Israel interfering with

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Israeli's elected the decision. Remember theNataniel government whether you like it or not,
is duly elected by the people ofIsrael who waited white margins. Like
in America, Republican don't like thefact that Joe Biden is president, but
he still won, right, soyou have to look at that, and
that was the majority of the peoplehave spoken. So you can be critical.

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But the fact is, I thinkyou want to work on both sides
of the island, and it's moredifficult because the democratic priorities, the leadership
you're right is still support a visral, but the rank and filet changing.
That's what's concerning to me. I'mlooking at the numbers and you have seen
some of the numbers. Yeah,now you know. And then the other
thing that also, you know,concerns me is sort of I mean,
I'll say, well, you know, Israel will take the support of the

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Republicans, but I always, youknow, it's always feels for quite the
wrong reasons, especially when people comeout and they're like, oh, we
need to support the UM, youknow, the the Israeli so that um
you know, once they have theland from the Sea of Galilee to uh
to the Mediterranean, then Jesus willcome back into Earth. And about the
Christian evangelicals. Okay, uh likethat one. I mean, like you

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know, as LBJ said, youknow, I'd rather have people in the
tent pissing out than outside the tenthfists again, Um, but it always
feels a little precarious to to saythe least. And you know, as
somebody who's half Jewish. Um,you know my dad, my dad's Jewish.
Uh, you know it's uh.I appreciate the support for Israel,
but you know, again, justthe comfort level isn't quite well. I

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think that has changed initially when theevangelical Christians um started the long So remember
it wasn't always the case. WhenJimmy Carter was president, it was different.
You've seen post Jimmy Carter with theMigelican Christians have embraced Israel in a
stronger way than they ever had previously. And yes, there were concerns about
missionary activity, about if they wantto missionize to the Jews and what their

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old Mongolas and looking for the endof days. So then we understand that.
But the fact is or Israel needsas many allies as it can.
And by the way, at leastof the elephant in the room, Donald
J. Trump has probably been oneof the most supportive presidents of Israel.
I know people are torn about him, and there's this polarizing in American politics.
But the facts on the ground are, if you want to be objective,

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is that he has done a lotin Israel, moving the embassy and
dealing with Iran and dealing with Unruhand lots of other issues that are important
issues in the Abrahamic Accords. Sohe's been the most supportive of Israel,
perhaps almost any other president. Sowhether you like him or not, those
are the facts on the ground.I'm not a negotiator, I'm not you
know, I'm not fully involved inMiddle East politics, right, but I

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think the not refuting what you're saying, right, But I think the pushback
on some of this is it's like, you know, if if you're on
the side of look, a twostate solution is ultimately the goal here,
right. I think some of thethe moves of Trump weren't necessarily helpful towards
that. But I think, youknow, but to your point, the

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I think with when you know,when Trump was in the White House,
there was sort of i'll call itno question really of of what the US
would do of someone attacked Israel.I don't believe there's much of of a
question of what Biden would do.Maybe some some people might might disagree with
that, um And you know,again, a lot of that just comes
back to the you know, whereis the leadership of the Democratic Party right

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now? And for I can't thinkof anyone who's in a leadership position,
UM who you know would not bedefending you know, Israel if if there
was any h outside attacks, No, I think they will. I mean,
but the question of level of supportingsome of the criticism you find level
of Israel now you didn't see duringthe Trump administration dealing with judicial reform,

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And the question is how much doesany country want to interfere with the politics
of another country. Just like youknow you pointed out that Democrats were upset
when Prime Inston you got involved inpolitics and was invited by the Republicans to
address Congress and not created some badfeelings with Democrats. On the other hand,
when the President of the United Statestells Israel to clean up its act

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or judicial reform not to do certainthings, they feel the same way,
like you're interfering with issues in ourcountry. It has to work both ways.
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And I think you know,
the other big piece of this isyou know that you know, when push
comes to shop right, I mean, I think the US, I certainly

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hope RIGHT will always be a strongsupporter of Israel. It's closest ally in
the Middle East. And you know, the I would love to see a
less adversarial positioning, um, youknow, between the net and Yahoo government
and and and and the bid theadministration. I think that's a little bit
of a two way street. Uhas well. Um, but uh,

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you know, and and I thinkthe other you know part of this that
um, you know, I thinkDemocrats need to I'll say broadly be you
know, cognizant of or aware ofRight. It's it's if we're bringing it
back to US politics, it's ait's an important voting block, um you
know. And uh, And anykind of decreasing any kind of divisions you

(18:38):
know, within the Jewish community isultimately in the interests of the Democratic Party
because you know, for most ofour our polling and most of our research
not not but I think most Jewishvoters are closer more closely aligned with the
Democratic Party when it comes to domesticissues. And uh than than the Republican

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Party. But you know, forvoters, for Jewish voters who are,
if not exclusively, but very veryfocused on the perceived connection between Israel,
the government of Israel, and thegovernment of the US. It creates an
opening for Republicans to start driving abus room. Steve Stephen Hacken is our
guest founder president of Lincoln Strategies,and he's worked with the former President Barack

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Obama helped him become the forty fourthPresident of the United States. As part
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and he's worked with the former PresidentBarack Obama, helped him become the
forty fourth president of the United States. Is part of his polling team.
He works at five hundred fortune companies. He also has another division called trenden
See Research. And it's well towork with a group with Antibbs and also
with a group in Israel in TelAviv. I understand you also worked on
Corey Burker's campaign for president right.I did see its twenty twenty primary campaign

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that unfortunately didn't come to U tofruition, but it was a great team
to work with. Is he goingto run again? He's still young enough,
still still young enough. Um,I, it wouldn't surprise me.
That's not based on any you know, discussions, any any actual knowledge.
That's just me, you know,sort of guessing. But um, you
know, very very charismatic young umhas has a great message, I mean

(24:36):
biased obviously since I worked with him. But I think a lot of his
um ideas baby bonds being one ofthe big ones is just um. You
know, he has very interesting approachesto solving a lot of the problems that
are society faces. I think beforethe Iran A vote to ratify the agreement
with Iran and Congress, I thinkhe had a better relation with the Jewish
community. Fact, he spoke withRobi Schmoli Botech and you had a learning

(25:00):
session with him where you learned theBible portion I think every week for a
period of time. Um, didyou do any polling his numbers with the
Jewish community when he ran Nothing thatI remember off the top of my head
that was specific. I mean,you know, we were very focused on
the early States. Um, soobviously Iowa, South Carolina, New Hampshire
and not that no Jewish people livedthere, but you know, not the

(25:23):
hotbed of large Jewish voter numbers.Um. But yeah, but nothing,
nothing jumping in mind that we didanything that was like specific, Hey,
let's break out Jewish voters and dosome research in that within that community.
Now, when you were part ofthe polling team to help Barack Obama become
the president the United States, whatis some of the work that you did

(25:44):
then, was any focused on lookingat the Jewish community and how we did
polling wise in that area. Yeah. So the so the group I was
working with, we were placed incharge of the Southern States, UM,
so you know South Carolina. Butthen you know, moving forward from those
in two I was in eight UMfrom basically North Carolina down. UM.
So again you know, not thearea that that we were focused on.

(26:07):
UM. But now obviously we're goingback a few years here. But you
know, I am Uh it wouldshock me if uh you know, especially
like you know, the team thatwas dealing more with uh Northeast California,
UM, you know, places whereyou have larger Jewish communities, UM,
that they weren't doing uh work inthere. Um but uh. But but

(26:27):
the team I was on UM thatthat was not part of our purview.
And then also worked on the capand trade UH program that they were developing.
UM. And again that was justthat was more nationwide, not any
specific groups that we're looking at.And you plan, you're you're hoping to
get involved in a presidential campaign nownot working for the Biden campaign, Uh,
that that I know of. Imean, if they call. I

(26:48):
will definitely, Uh, i'll pay, I'll fake, I'll take the phone
call. Um. But uh,you know, I mean, it's it's
it's it's something that we're tracking though, um of you know, seeing how
voters are feeling about what's likely tohappen in uh and when a vote,
what do you find? What doyou vote? As? Are people that
don't see be excited about either JoeBiden or Donald Trump? Yeah? No,

(27:08):
And I think it mean it's interesting. So one of the one of
the and this is with our ourtrendency platform that we we do think we
ask questions a little differently. Sowe're not asking people who they vote for,
but we ask people who they thinkis gonna win? UM. And
you know what we saw over thelast month or so, and we're tracking
this on a daily basis, isthat you know, for the last month,

(27:29):
we've just seen Trump's numbers go wayup of people feeling that whether they're
going to support him or not,that he's the one who's gone and he's
a democratic, he's about democratic.This is everyone. Yeah, so this
is Republicans. And we also askDemocrats like, hey, who do you
think is gonna win? UM?And then you know what we also and
then we also ask about the generalelection, and you know, Biden people
thought Biden had a better chance ofwinning back in May, and then Trump

(27:53):
spikes and then now it's like prettymuch a dead heat between the two.
So similar patterns to what you knowjust came out in the New York Times
UM polling over the last week.We just you know, we happen to
release it two weeks ago or threeweeks ago, so that the New York
Times. That's pretty good. Okay, yeah, there, you know,
we try and have you found thatthe indictments of Donald Trump has that helped

(28:18):
them? Even with Democratic voters wherethey perceive him that he's gonna win,
Has that made any difference? Ithink it is it has made Democratic voters
feel that he's likely to win,more likely to win the GOP nomination,
not necessary not really win in November. UM. And you know, I
think you have this very I mean, it is definitively helping him right now

(28:44):
within the GOP uh to get theGOP nomination, right. I don't think
any of this is helping him,um in the general election, because you
know, for voters who voted forBiden in twenty twenty or younger voters.
You know that the younger voters arethe ones who who are least i'll call
it infralls with with Biden. Andyou know, now I think the concern

(29:07):
there and you know, covey outof you know, we're over a year
out from this election, but Ithink the concern there is not that they're
going to start voting going and votingfor Trump, but that they're going to
stay home. And so Democrats real, you know, their job over the
next twelve fourteen months, sixteen months, what what are we at sixteen months
is you know, just to makesure that all, like as many voters

(29:32):
turn out as humanly possible that aregoing to vote for Biden. Just make
the argument of like, look,staying home get you another four years of
Trump, assuming that he's the nominee, which seems likely right now. Uh.
And we saw what that looked like, right. So you know,
if you're in support of of women'srights, if you're in support of gay
rights, if you're in support ofprotecting the environment, all you know,

(29:53):
the laundry list. You know,whether you love Biden or not, you
need to get out there and vote. But will people be motivated enough by
that, well, the hatred ofTrump, because nobody, let's be honest,
the less time around, Biden wasthe least the mccraggor people one of
the people thought was going to beand the winning the primary. Okay,

(30:14):
people didn't vote for him as muchas they voted against Donald Trump. That's
how I view it. Maybe yournumbers would show differently this time around.
That's probably fatigue even with Joe Bidenbecause of inflation is very high. That's
certainly a factor I believe and youprobably know best, is that people vote
with their pocketbooks, with their economicsituations. So if they're going to be
in a worse situation they work fouryears ago, they want to give anybody

(30:37):
a chance because they want to getout of this morass. Yeah, I
mean the thing you know, andthen now some of this the White House
has to be a little careful,right because right now there's a very strong
economic argument for Joe Biden. Right, like, inflation is not down to
two percent, but you know,we're down in like the four to three
to four percent based on the lastthing we're now seeing that economic economists are

(30:59):
saying that you know, the recessionof recession is very unlikely to happen.
You know, the job's numbers continueto be good, you know, I
mean I think the numbers came outtoday and it's just like under two hundred
thousand jobs created, which sure maybehigher would be better unemployment. Unemployment is
low. Uh So you know,like if if that continues, then you
know, like they need to beout there sort of being cheerleaders for for

(31:22):
what's going on. And especially ifyou look at other countries around the world,
We've we've went this storm much betterthan than most countries, so that
you know, if people are feelingbuying into the good economy, it's going
to be good for Biden. Toyour point, if they're feeling by next
November, if they're feeling that,you know, their dollars not going far,
economy is not good, it's goingto be tough. I don't think

(31:42):
the average person feels that things arebetter. They feel that things are worse
from economic point to view, right, I mean for right now, that's
totally true, and we see thatin numbers, right, But then this
is where the cheerleading comes in,right, So it's you know it,
well, let me ask this quthis cheerleading work from a from a pulse's
point of view, if people ifthey everybody's saying it's great, and the

(32:04):
inflation is down and the people seehigher numbers of the pump and the paying
more at the supermarket when they seetheir money is going less than it used
to go. I think that's thebiggest indicate. No matter what the cheerleading
is, people look at what's happeningon the table No. One percent and
then you know, this is wherethe balance comes in, right, because
you can't be you can't go inand and be viewed is out of touch.

(32:25):
Right. Oh, like they're justtalking about it good, but it
doesn't feel good that it's it's incremental, right, So this isn't like,
oh, let's just flit the airwavesnext September talking about how great the economy
is. This is like just tryingto work the constant drum beat of getting
the positive numbers out there. Uh. And you know, ideally that sort
of the the opinion of the economystarts catching up with where the numbers currently

(32:49):
currently are. But it but isabsolutely a tough balancing act because you can't
if you're seen out as being outof touch and just talking about something being
good when it's when people feel it'snot it's it just it's not only get
not going to land, but itcould have an I GET of effect.
Our guest is Stephan Hankin. Heis the founder president of Lincoln Park Strategies.
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(37:59):
He's worked with any different corporations,including working with the team that helped
bring Barack Obama to become the fortyfourth president of the United States. He's
led research project in more than twentyfive countries all fifty states, and who
knows, maybe he'll do another presidentialcampaign as well. You never know.
Now here's the question that I hadfor you, and maybe you can clarify

(38:22):
the polling. You know, DonaldTrump believes the election was stolen, at
least so he stated there was asaying that they couldn't prove it in any
courts, so he could have saidit, but there's no actual proof on
the ground. But where pulses haveshown though, and maybe you can clarify
it that had the Hunter Biden laptopstory made it to the general media during
the course of the last election,it could have changed the outcome. I

(38:45):
mean, it's a hypothetical. That'sthat's tough to know. I mean maybe
I'm just saying I've read the storiesand they they said they did polling,
and that's always curious if you've seenit where it had people known about the
laptop, the Hunter Biden laptop,so it could have would have changed their
vote. Yeah, I mean again, like it's really really tough to know,

(39:06):
you know what people would have done. Uh, and you know it
could it have made a difference inyou know, a couple of states maybe,
Um, but you know most ofmost of the states, the number
of people who would have switched basedon you know, that story coming out,
I feel is, you know,wasn't going to be enough to switch,
uh, you know, full results. So but in swing states where

(39:27):
were a few votes made a difference, Um, it it could have.
It could changed. It could have, but you know, but then you're
talking about it would have to havechanged Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, UM,
Wisconsin, right, you know,like all of those would have had
to have shifted to get Trump overthe two hundred and seventy electoral votes.
So it feels not overly likely tome, but again like no way to

(39:50):
prove or disprove um. I guessthe pauls would have been theoretically because people
didn't have the opportunity. So Idid see some paulling. Now, one
of the things that in the Democratat a party is is that even those
leadership that maybe more centrists are takingout a more progressive agenda. And one
of those agenda's green energy. Andone of the things green energy is we
want to go to electric cars.They feel that it's going to be better

(40:13):
for the environment. I know thatyou're not a big proponent of that.
Yeah, I mean so I'll saya proponent of electric vehicles broadly. But
what does not seem to be working? And you know, we did a
bunch of research both nationally and inabout eight different states looking at you know,
do Americans support the mandates or lawsbeing passed to ban the sale of

(40:37):
gas cars. So you know,California passed a law saying that by twenty
I think it's twenty thirty five,no more gas cars can be sold in
California and then other states either becausethey have laws that just automatically tie them
to any emissions changes that California makes, or just on their own wanted to
do it. Started. We sawthis in Delaware, Pence, Inlvania,

(41:00):
UM, Minnesota, Nevada, Ibelieve, UM, where they were talking
about like passing these kinds of kindsof laws. So, uh, New
Jersey was another one, UM.And so we did some research on just
how, you know, how dohow do people who live in these states,
how do they feel about this?And and broadly, people are supportive

(41:20):
of electric vehicles. They feel thatit's very likely. We saw you know,
about sixty sixty five percent, dependingon the state, said that it's
pretty likely that they buy an electricvehicle within the next ten years. But
what we saw there wasn't support forwas this this band this government ban on
the sale of gas vehicles. Andyou know, I think what a lot

(41:42):
of what's behind that is just youknow, a people just really not being
like being told, hey, youknow, making decisions for me, right,
like if I want to do this, great um. But you know,
even though it's sort of it's it'sten years out. It's just like,
look, you know, the market'salready heading in this direction. I
mean most car manufacturers, if notall, have said that they're going to

(42:02):
be fully electric by the middle ofthe twenty thirties. And so there's like,
really people just not feeling the needfor government to sort of overstep here
or put their finger on the scale. Even more so, it's sort of
like, hey, like, letthe market do what the market's doing.
It's not really free a part foryou aren't enough charging, say, you're
a problem with batteries exploding. Sothere are all kinds of issues that before

(42:23):
your mandate that really has to beworked out. Yeah, no, absolutely,
and and and people are supportive ofthe infrastructure being built up right,
and you know, also knowing thateven if we just said, hey,
like look, you know, thedata is clear, evs are gonna you
know, are going to be abig help for the environment. Great,
if we want it tomorrow to goto one hundred percent electric vehicle, it's

(42:45):
just not going to work, right. They're just they're not enough charging stations,
they're not enough batteries, they're notenough you know. Like so all
these things have to start getting inplace. And certainly, you know,
people support the government being involved inand you know and Biden along with the
Center Joe mansion from West Virginia andtheir bank agreement. Um, you know
there there was a lot of moneyput aside to building out the charging infrastructure.

(43:07):
So you know, those are thetypes of things that people absolutely support.
Um. But it's but just comingin and saying you can't buy in
a gas vehicle starting in X youknow this year, people do not take
kindly. Can't we bann like inthere are wood brick ovens. Yeah,
I mean the natural gas that're talkingabout it's going to an absurd lens where
they want a band band band?Yeah, I mean what's and you know,

(43:29):
and it's not from a purely marketingstandpoint. It's like, look,
this isn't the way you want tobe doing this, right, So it's
like certainly encouraging making good, gooddecisions. Right. So it's like look
and then you know, and evenwith like the banning of the gas stoves,
it's like, you know, theydid a pretty poor job of talking
about this because you know, typicallyin most places it's it's you know,
it's not banning the gas stove youcurrently have. It's like, hey,

(43:51):
when you start building new apartment buildings, let's get away from natural gas and
let's move to to electric, right, and which doesn't work? Which doesn't
work as well as gas stoves?I can tell you that, yeah,
it does. And like you know, induction ovens, I've I've used some
good ones. Um, it's promising. But yeah, but you know again,
it's it's you're you're you're typically betteroff with the carrot than the stick

(44:14):
when it comes to these things,because people just don't like feeling like they're
being told that I can't do somethingthat I want to do. But if
I come to that conclusion myself,I'm great with it. So why do
elected officials don't pay attention to thepolls and they mandate these things when it
should be done with the carrot approachas opposed to the stick. Yeah,
I mean it's you know, they'rethere's certainly people who feel that the stick

(44:37):
is is you know that in thedata is definitely clear that we need to
be moving quicker than we are whenit comes to trying to reverse or at
least pause or keep climate change ata steady state. Um, So you
know, they're definitely people who areadvocating for stronger moves, and then you
know, and that and quicker moves, right, But then what is ultimately

(44:59):
detrimental, I would argue to theeffort is if you just make this a
red versus blue issue, like justabout everything feels like it is these days,
right, it just means we're justgoing to get stuck in no man's
land of not getting anything done.So I understand the urgency. I understand
that we need to be moving quicker, but we need to be doing this
in a way that people are feelinglike they're the one that controls the decisions,

(45:20):
not the government making the decisions forthem. Well, it's a tough
call. And listen, there alot of Republicans don't believe in the climate
change, right, that's part ofthe issue too. The whole thing move
into green energy and the fact thatthey close cold plants and fracking has been
stopped, and then we now dependedon other governments, and that's part of
the debate in America today. Yeah, I mean, but you know,

(45:43):
I mean the prime example of there'srhetoric and then there's action. Right,
So if you look at Texas,right, Now, I don't think anyone's
gonna charge the leaders of Texas asbeing very liberal humans. But Texas is
also the largest creator of energy throughwhen solar, uh, and you know
and another uh green energy. Right. So, if if I was in

(46:07):
charge of the democratic messaging machine,I'll say then you know, i'd be
out there congratulating Texas on how greata job they're doing on the post' using
I don't think the debate is whether, you know, you shouldn't be using
wind power and solar and all theseother questions. Those should be closing down
nuclear plans, should be closing downcold plans? Should you stop fracting?

(46:27):
Should we you know, stop thepipeline? These are the issues that are
But as far as the other thingsare concerned, I think everybody is fine
with it, but not to beexclusively that right, No, and and
but I think you know it again, it's it's it's it's the marketing of
how you're selling it. Right.So if the Democrats are out there saying,
hey, we should follow Texas's lead, it's very hard for Republicans to

(46:49):
fight back against doing what Texas isdoing. The Texas but text is not
shutting down the oil with not shuttingdown cold production and when they're doing the
the alternative energy. Yeah, butI mean, but that's direction they're heading
in, right Like, I mean, well, they haven't closed anything yet,
you know, you're saying, wellwith the problem is is that it
should be done more balanced. Ifyou want natural energy, good, do

(47:10):
it, but don't close down theother don't close down the nuclei penance,
don't close down everything else. Andthen energy prices go up until they could
close with everything, which is apoint we say, okay, well now
it's an abundant, it's an expensiveso now we don't need the other forints.
The problem is is they're closing downthese places before the alternative energy is
effective and an abundance, right andsimilar to right, like, we can't

(47:34):
just put the switch and go tofull green tomorrow, right. The infrastructure
just isn't there, The capabilities aren'tthere, and you know, going back
with the eeds, right like,I mean one of the big things and
I know this is happening, butit probably needs to happen at a higher
level of research into the batteries andthe storage. Right. So one of
the big challenges with green energy isit's not always there. So we need

(47:59):
to find a way to be ableto capture the energy, the energy that's
being created so that it can beused sort of quote unquote on demand,
right, And you know, butthat also goes into the electric vehicles of
having better batteries and can can wecome up with a battery that doesn't require
you know, all the all thesedifferent rarer So that's why they should that's
why they shouldn't mandate the full conversionto all these issues worked out right now

(48:22):
and you know, and again nowand also not a energy expert, right,
so a little out of my lanehere, but I think it is
disingenuous for the if you're if you'rearguing for green energy, I think it's
disingenuous to be arguing against nuclear andyou know, and it's it is.
It's not giving off emissions. Iunderstand that, you know, with the

(48:44):
uranium that their challenges of what todo with that once the rods they're you
know, used up. But obviouslynuclear is hurting from you know, a
couple bad accidents, uh, youknow, Japan and obviously uh in Russia
back and whenever that was nineteen eighties. Um, but you know, Chernobyl
Chernobyl, thank you. You know, not not great pr for the for

(49:06):
the for the nuclear energy, butbut for right now it is you know,
it's an we need it right likethat. That is one of the
answers. And I think it isjust ingenuous to be like, I'm for
green energy, but I'm against nuclear. We need both of these things in
order to make it all happen.Have been polling about this issue where we're
people where are people thinking? Yeah, I mean, now this is going

(49:28):
back a handful of years, butwe did some polling in Georgia around uh,
the nuclear plant that just came online. Um, and now I'm going
to totally forget the name of theplant, but within the last couple of
weeks it's the first new nuclear reactorto go online in the US in like
something like thirty or forty years,um. And in general, I mean,

(49:51):
you know, people are somewhat concernedabout it. But but but in
broader terms, uh, voters inGeorgia were behind heading in this direction,
you know, and balancing the potentialissues with the fact that a lot of
energy can be created cleanly, atleast when it comes to emissions standpoint.

(50:13):
So you know, I think there'sif the arguments can be made of like
why this is important and you knowwhat this actually can do and do it
in a way that's not putting outemissions, people will get behind it.
There's always going to be concerned aboutwhat if there's a moutdown, but you
know it's if it's built right andrun correctly, it's safe. Stephen Hankin,

(50:35):
founder president of Lincoln Park Strategies.He's worked over two decades and market
research and datalytics and polling and communicationstrategy also help who's part of the team.
Helpful luck Elect Barack Obama, theforty fourth President United States, Thank
you for being with us. BeforeI let you go, just quickly,
what are you doing in Israel?So we're working with the Tel Aviv Heats,
which is a professional rugby team,obviously based on televise. Um and

(51:00):
I thought you're referring to some ofthe alternative energies. No, no,
yeah, you would think, butnope, that that's just a coincidence right
there. Um and uh, soyou know, for I don't know how
many rugby fans listen to this program, but the uh, the World Cup
is is coming up. Um thisthis fall in in France. UM.

(51:21):
And while you know that those arenational teams and uh, but you know,
the the team in Israel is isproviding sort of this unique opportunity to
both you know, start spreading thegame out uh internationally, but also to
highlight Jewish athletes and UM. Youknow, so there's there's just uh,

(51:43):
there's just a lot of interesting thingsgoing on, both with the sport and
the club itself. UM. Andthey play in a division with they're considered
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Um, but showing a lot ofpromise and you know we're trying to

(52:04):
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