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How American Jews are fair? And how are we doing?
How are we surviving as a people? These are all
important initials. How many American Jews are they? We'll talk
about that. Our guests is an expert. First of all,
we last had him on in the capacity of dealing
with the Middle East, where he's an expert at Israel
and this Arab neighbors.
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He was in the Reagan administration.
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He was Assistant Secretary of State, he handled relations with
Israel's a deputy National security advisor the George W.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Bush administration.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
But now he is chairman of Tikvah, which is an
organization that's doing a lot with Jewish identity Jewish politics.
He's written four books, as latest is called If You
Will It, Rebuilding Jewish Peoplehood for the twenty fir a century.
Elliot Abrams is our guest, the graduate of Harvard College
Harvard Law School. His other book, I think we had
him on Faith or Fear, How Jews can survive in
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a Christian America.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 14 (08:19):
Thank you, it's been a while. I'm glad to do it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Thank you. I know you more from dealing with Israel
and now dealing internally, and your fascinating book deals with
the challenges American Jews has and how American Jews can
really survive in America. We're into marriage, assimilation and culturation
is eating at the fabric of American Jews. Tell us
how many American Jews are there? Because I like the
(08:42):
number six million. I think you're right about seven million.
I've seen people write less.
Speaker 14 (08:46):
What number are You're right the Pew study, which is
the biggest study, he says seven and a half million,
But I don't think seven point five million is right.
The great Israeli demographer Sergio Della Pergol at the Hebrew
University says six point three million. I think that's a
lot closer. So six a little over six is probably
the best will do.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, American Jews have been assimilating in and culturating for
a while into marrying AB's Irish Rose was a movie
going back, right, You all say Bridget and Burney, which
had controversy where you had Jews and non Jews marrying.
You have this series on Netflix where you have a rabbi.
I'm not sure he's considered conservative reform, but he ducks
being a rabbi, which he loves so much, to be
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with a non Jewish woman.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So you see all these signs and trends.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I know, look, magazine did an article and what was
the number of years ago is the vanishing American Jew?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They disappeared the Jew is still here, but to what degree?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Because I think our assimilation is really changing because today
you have, for example, I think maybe during COVID a
lot change because instead of going to synagogue in the
non orthodox world, you can zoom.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I think places still zoom.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And if I can zoom, aga zoom to any congregation
in America, I don't have to zoom to my local synagogue.
Speaker 14 (10:01):
I think the numbers are bad. Let me say that
there's a lot of let's call it fraying at the
edges or erosion. Here's an example. There's two point four
million children in America growing up in a home with
two Jewish parents or one Jewish parent. Of them, half
half are being raised exclusively as Jews. The other half
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are being raised as nothing or as Christians and Jews
or as Christians half. So no, we're not going to
lose one hundred percent of those. We're going to lose
a lot of those. So I think there are a
lot of ways of looking at the numbers. But if
you ask Jews, American Jews, how important is it to
you that your grandchildren be Jewish? Fewer than half say
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it's very important to me. And if it's not important
to you. You know you're not going to do much
about it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You're absolutely gork I was in Poland a number of
years ago. It was a trip to going to the
name of the city would come to me, and a
lot of people came there. It was you know, it
was Plaza, pleaded the Chief envoy of Israel. But allow
was there. In other words, they were they're dedicating Uh.
It was a city which I had thirty three percent Jews.
And I met a young man, I think from Sweden,
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handsome young man, and I said, why are you here
from me? Goes, well, his father is here, his grandfather
who they're connecting to his past. His grandfather came from
the town, survivor of the Holocaust, and he's here. And
I had to a conversation with him and I go,
will you marry a Jewish woman? He goes absolutely not.
I go, why not? It's not important to my parents,
It's not important to me. So I said them, forgive
me for asking this question. You're here to connect to
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your Jewish past. You have no Jewish future, say sort
of admitted to me. And I told him. I try
to tell him there attractive young ladies in Israel. He
should maybe check out Israel. I don't win impact that
I had. But that's you hit it on the head.
If it's not important to your parents that you marry
Jewish and be Jewish, why should they be Jewish?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
So how do you get around that? Elliott?
Speaker 14 (11:52):
Well, what I say in the book is if you
don't care, you don't care. I mean, you can't persuade
someone who is simply not interested us to assimilate. But
what if you care? What if you're a parent or
a grandparent non Orthodox? Now we're talking. If you're a parent,
you're a grandparent, you're a philanthropist, you got a foundation,
or you're at a Jewish organization? What can be done
that works? And I say in the book there are
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three things we can get into it. One of them
is better Jewish education. One of them is Jewish summer camp,
which is actually very important. And the third is time
in Israel. And the more the better. And that works
because you know, my grandparents, for example, were born in Europe.
They were immigrants, so I was raised around people speaking
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Yiddish in a Jewish neighborhood. That's not what happens to
kids today. You know, everybody moved to the suburbs. That's
for World War two, and people don't live in that
kind of immersive, dense Jewish experience. You have to create it.
You have to intentionally create it. It's not automatic anymore.
And where do you create it? In a Jewish school,
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in a Jewish camp and by going to Israel. I
give you one number that I think will surprise you
and the listener. You know what percentage of American Jews
have been to Israel once after twenty years of birthright?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Very small amount, but thirteen percent.
Speaker 14 (13:13):
Fewer than half. And this is a really bad number.
If you compare Canadian Jews, Australian Jews, British Juice, French juice.
In those countries it's eighty ninety percent.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So the number again in the United States.
Speaker 14 (13:28):
Birthright, counting all the tens of thousands who been. So
what it tells us, I think is if you care,
you have to do something. You can't sit and watch.
It is not automatic anymore. You have to create that
sense of Jewish identity.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Can I recommend well, I know birthright is important, it's
really aimed for college, because I think it's already too late.
They should be starting in high school. Now, what about
having the funds from the philanthropists and from the federations
that every child turns bar or bought mitzvah, they sponsor
a trip to Israel for the family, because.
Speaker 14 (14:04):
A lot of synagogus and federations do that where they say,
you know, will we'll give or at least they make
a contribution. Money has a lot to do with all
of this, because there's a lot of Jewish families they're
not rich, that would like to go to Israel, but
it's expensive to take the whole family, or they like
to send the kids to camp for a couple of months.
You know how expensive that can be. There are programs
(14:26):
that try to do this, but I'm with you. I
mean these team tours of Israel that for high school
kids very very important because you know what, there have
been studies now of news on college campuses after October seventh,
and there's a kind of myth that you know, everybody,
every Jewish student has waked up and they're now all activists.
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Not true. What's true is the kids who get to
college with a strong Jewish background become more active, more identified.
Did you get to college with nothing, have nothing, and
they don't change overright, So you know you're right in
suggesting they're going to get to college with some Jewish idea.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I'm talking birthright for high school kids. That are
about why it should be not just done individual, it
should be on a national level. There should be the
priority of all the Jewish organizations to make sure you're
having a bar mitzvah. Because what happened with the Burns
is the beginning in the end of Jewish education. For
the shows I intrew ed Asnu passed away recently. You know,
(15:31):
he grew au porthodox. I don't if you're aware that. No,
he had bar mitza. So I chatted with him and
he and when I spoke the we didn't even know
what Knico was. He was so removed from Judaism. I go,
do you remember anything for your Barmitzrik goes absolutely not.
Then he starts saying borhoi shamhamvoa, and you know, but
to him, that was the beginning of the end of Judaism.
Practically for many American Jews, if they have a bar mitza,
(15:53):
that's it.
Speaker 14 (15:54):
Yeah, and you know we have this model, We've had
it for I don't know since World War Two. Certainly
that Jurish education is done in the synagogue. And you know,
if you think of it, why would it be true
that every senatologue in America has a terrific Hebrew school.
They don't. A lot of them are not very good
Hebrew schools. That's part of the problem that we've you know,
(16:15):
this is all diffuse. It's all done in synagogues, and
many many are second rate.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, and even that turns off more kids than turns
them on, unfortunately, from what I've heard. So what do
we do about it?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Because education is really the key, and the Orthodox community
you have, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
A strong stress and the tuition is high, but parents
make sacrifice for their education. In the non Orthodox world,
parents are not willing to make that sacrifice. I spoke
to a parent and they said, why don't you send
your kid to y Achieva? Well, it's expense like it,
but you're spending so much money on this vacation of
that vacation, isn't your kids education worth something? Say look
(16:52):
at me? And he said I was right. So yes,
it has to be a priority of parents. But perhaps
we should be investing in having scholarship where kids can go,
especially when the public schools today are really a wasteland
with drugs and wokeness, et cetera. So it's a good opera.
I know Tikas has a school in Manhattan. We just
started just what you're capitalizing on this, right.
Speaker 14 (17:13):
Right, We just started school just down September called Emmett
Classical Academy. Look, there are experiments with this. There's one
in Toronto, for example, to try to get the price
down and to talk with the families and give them
a price cap that is, you have two kids, you
have three kids, you will never be paying more than
this amount. In Washington State, in Seattle, there's a foundation,
(17:36):
Samus Foundation that said will subsidize. And of course if
not every kid is going to go to Jewish day school,
but more would if there was help. Or as the
guy in Toronto put it, for Orthodox Jews, the demand
is in elastic everybody goes. But for non Orthodox Jews
it's very elastic demand. And if you help with the finances,
(18:00):
you are going to get more gigs going Emmett that
we started in Manhattan. You know, we're getting kids from
these fancy private schools that where the parents have decided,
you know, they can't go there anymore. It's so woke,
it's so andy Semitic, it's so andy Israel that they
want the kids to come out. But there need to
be alternatives, there need to be opportunities. That's what we're
(18:22):
trying to create.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As we were talking, I had into it a father
and Israeli father in his school. I've got which part
of the country that Hitler on the wall as being
a hero, and he was incensed over it, and they said,
why are you sending your kid to such a school?
Why did it send it to a Jewish school. I
think his parents would have liked to do that. But
you have the belief that they're going to send them
to a public school despite all this anti semitism and
well the wokeness that exists. Hitler was a hero on
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the wall in this particular school. Wow, you can't make
some of the stuff up that exists out there. Elliot
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Elliot Abrams our guests that he's written a fascinating book,
if you will it Rebuilding Jewish People with the twenty
first century. He was a Deputy National Security Advisor in
George W. Bush administration. He's the chairman of the Tick
for Fund. I want you to put on the Israel
hat because in your book what I found amazing. I
would have thought that after the creation of the State
of Israel and other pivotal moments in Israel, that American
(24:17):
Jews become more Israel oriented, more Zionistic. And you write
that the polls show that Israel has not been a
priority even after the creation of the state. Only a
certain times that ebbs where they come more Zionistic than
it goes back to where they're either apathetic or non
Zionist or anti Zionists.
Speaker 14 (24:34):
Yeah, it's what happens. I mean, for example, when Israel
was being created. There was a burst of enthusiasm to
get it done nineteen forty eight, and then you know,
it just ebbs away. It comes back in nineteen sixty seven,
nineteen seventy three with the wars. If you look at
Israel bonds for Temple sixty seven, it goes up, you know, amazingly,
and then it comes down. This is not going to
(24:56):
save us. I see people today saying, you know, October
seven everything for American Jews. Well, I don't think so.
I think again, it's another one of these moments. The
question is what's going to be Where will we be
in one, two, three, five, ten years from now? And
I don't think again, it's not automatic. We've got to
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do things that create that link to Israel, and nothing
is better. You can teach it, but nothing is better
than visiting. There's just no substitute for being there. And again,
Jews from all over the world do it much more
frequently than we do. We are the worst major diaspora
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community when it comes to visiting Israel and spending time
in Israel. So I don't expect this terrible moment of
October seventh last year, or even the anti Semitism that
we're seeing on campuses. To really transform the American Jewish community.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
We have to do it.
Speaker 14 (25:57):
We can't say, you know, israel It or antisemitism will
do it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
We have When you say who is the WI, the
wei is.
Speaker 14 (26:06):
The organized Jewish community, but the we is also parents
and grandparents. It's it's the parents and grandparents who got
to make that decision. For example them, that's right. Well
for some, for some, I think they think this is
just gonna happen because we have a good you know,
we have a good Jewish family. Well then you ask people, well,
(26:27):
but what what are you doing about education? What are
you doing about summer camp? Well, they go to camp
Jewish camp. Well, no, they've got to make these decisions.
And as you were saying, it's there's a question of
priorities here. What are you what are you spending your
money on. I talk to people who've just taken their
kids to France, They've just taken their kids to Camp Kun,
(26:48):
They've just taken their you know, go to Israel. Go
to Israel, junior, you're abroad, don't go to Scotland, don't
go to Geneva. Go to Israel. And that's not even
more expensive. Because the kids are often going anyway. So
this is for donors, it's for philanthropists, but the first
responsibility is the parents and grandparents.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
No, I agree with you, but the problem is we
live in such a woke society. Listen.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I did a show prior to the past of a
holiday where parents who are pro Israel went to workshop
how to deal with the kids that coming from colleges
that are anti Israel.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You have that problem too.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm sure
it's bigger than we want to acknowledge. Yes, they're people
from October seventh who become more committed. There are also
people who have become more pro Hamas, pro Palestinian pro
Ceasfire Group.
Speaker 14 (27:35):
True, although those kids, mostly we're talking statistics, are kids
who do not have this kind of strong Jewish background.
But you just mentioned college, and there's one other thing
to say. You're you know, as a community, we wanted
to go to the most prestigious fifty or one hundred
colleges in America.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But you went to Harvard.
Speaker 14 (27:52):
I did. And when I went to Harvard, you know,
it was about a third Jewish, and now it's not
even half that same for the whole IVY League. So
I think you've got to be thinking again. You get
back to parents, don't look for the prestige. Don't send
your kid to a campus that's a battleground of anti Semitism.
Think about the places that want Jews that are helping
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defend yours. One example the University of Florida. There are
more Jews in the University of Florida than any other
college in America. And you may remember what happened when
these demonstrations started. The president Van ben Sas said, we
don't do daycare. We don't do daycare. This is a university.
You know what the rules are, you've all had them,
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violate them, you're out. So parents need to be thinking
as you were saying, about what's going on in those
colleges and selecting not on the basis of somebody's idea
of prestige, but what will the experience be for your
child when it comes to being a Jew and being
pro Isroe.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I have a daughter and son in law and Harvard
and they feel the anthemis and my daughter became an
activist in Barnard because of the anti sevens speaking outs
but not everybody can be an activist, some of them
hide their Jewishness because of what's going on too, and
that's part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Doing You mentioned something else in.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The book, We need strong committed Jews a because we
have to be part of our religion, but also for
Israel needs that support. We've been relying very heavily on
Christian support for Israel. They're much greater, the evangelical Christians
are larger numbers. But what concerns me and you touch
on in a book, according to the studies, is that
a lot of these Christian younger generation are coming back
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anti Israel woke.
Speaker 14 (29:28):
It's absolutely right. I mean, if you look at young
Evangelicals not as supportive of Israel as their parents, young
Democrats not as supportive, Young Jews not as supportive. So
you got to build this. I mean, this is very
important for Israel because their pillars of support in the
United States seem to be weakening. The way to strengthen them,
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in large part is to make sure the Jewish community
at least remains strong and dedicated.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, you have a birthright for Christians, I believe too,
don't we.
Speaker 14 (29:58):
There is called the Pelos that runs these programs very
important for young evangelicals.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Exactly, but we have to do a lot more for Jews.
Who's funding the birthright for Christians is that Christian groups,
Jewish groups.
Speaker 14 (30:11):
Jewish groups. I believe, yeah, And it's a good investment
because you know, there are more Christians than Jews in America.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Hard to believe sometimes, but it's true, very hard, very
hard to very hard to believe too. But I think
we're at a crossroads because the pace is moved a lot,
a lot now, more so than the years past, because
of the Internet and people like you said, there is
no Jewish neighbors. Even if you grew up in a
conservative reform household, you chances all you lived in the
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you can do through zoom in the part of it.
So it's hard to reverse. It's hard to even reach
out to the American Jews.
Speaker 14 (30:50):
It's a great thing in one way, right, I mean
the greatness of America. You can assimilate, you're free, you
can live in the whole society. But for a small minority,
and we're not much more than two percent of the population,
it can be very corrosive because we just we lose people.
We lose a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
No, we certainly do.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But the Orthodox community is growing because that's becoming stronger
and more solidified. The education is better than it was,
and in fact, a lot of people would send their
kid to an Orthodox school because the secular studies are
someone that we're up to par with some of the
high end schools in the secular society.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
And the Orthodox, of course, because they need to be
able to walk to Synegague. They do live in this
kind of dance Jewish community that the rest of American
Jews don't live.
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Our guest is Elliott Abrams is fascinating.
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The book is called if You Will It Rebuilding the
Jewish People for the twenty first Century. His chairman of
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The book is called If You Will, Rebuilding the Jewish
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ticket fund here in New York City, a board member
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to the Ivy League School. So if you had to
do it over today, would you still go to Harvard?
Would you go to a different school?
Speaker 14 (37:39):
I'd go to the Harvard of the years when I
went in the sixties, I don't think I would send
a child today.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
It's a different environment. Now, let me ask you this question.
The Orthodox community, thank are that the rate of intermarriages,
similationion color is low because there's a commitment to Judaism.
Can you build a Jewish identity in America just on
Israel justin going to summer camp. Don't you need a
more immersion for it to really work, because it doesn't
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seem to work unless you have a stronger commitment than
just even going to Israel.
Speaker 14 (38:11):
Well, this is a really great question. That is, let's say,
what's the role of Judaism? That is, can Jews survive
in America outside the Orthodox community. My answer to that is,
I think so. I'm not downplaying the religious element. And
after all, who are the non Orthodox Jews who may
become more religious. They are the rest of the community.
(38:34):
They're kind of the reserve army of Jews who might
become more religious. But I think it is possible to
build Jewish identity if you use those building blocks. Your
kids are educated, your kids go to summer camp where
they are surrounded by Jews, and they see role models
Jewish councilors. Israeli is often coming to these camps. I
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mean Israel. Think of a college, who's nineteen. What are
they doing?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
In the US?
Speaker 14 (39:04):
You worry about exams, you worry about whether you're going
to win Ultimate Frisbee or not. Go to Israel and
meet your equals there who are nineteen. You know where
they are. They're in Gaza, They're in Lebanon, fighting for
their country, risking their life for their country. That is
I think the most life changing experience for young American Jews.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
But here's the problem with questions to sustainability. And let's
be honest, the conservative movement, which in the fifties was
so strong, has imploded. The reform movement again has changed.
You don't even have to be Jewish to be part
of the reform movement. It's a whole change of religious as.
Synagogues don't have the same value that they have. So yes,
you're going to Stress summer camp. I'm believer there should
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be a stronger Jewish, non Jewish, non Orthodox Jewish education.
There should be, but that requires lots of money and
giving scholarships and helping people and educating the whole people,
and only those who are going to go have a
stronger commitment. To begin with, the vast majority of American
Jews are not really that interested, unfortunately.
Speaker 14 (40:01):
Many or not. If you look at the Jewish community,
let's pick a your twenty fifty, it's going to be
more Orthodox because we will have had more erosion. But
the Orthodox birth rate is good. It's better than replacement.
If you look at the American Jewish community today, it's
about teen percent Orthodox, but look at the five year olds,
that's more like fifteen percent Orthodox because they're staying Jewish
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and they're having children. So that's gonna happen. It's going
to be the Orthodox will be a larger portion of
the American Jewish community. But for the Jews who care
for thinking, how do I do this? I'm not Orthodox.
You can't argue, you know, you can't say to a parent,
here's what you gotta do, you gotta be Orthodox. It
just doesn't work as a formula. There are things you
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can do. And those Jewish kids who go to college
and end up being activists, they're not all Orthodox, but
they're kids who who say, well, in my family, it
was important my family, we have Friday night dinner together Shabbah,
and my family belong to a synagogue. My parents took
me to Israel, we went to a Jewish summer camp.
Those are the building blocks and if you care, that's
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what you got to do.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh, I agree, Well, listen, we need to do something.
Both of the education.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Summer camp I think is a great way because it's
not as expensive as education, So to both of the
summer camps, it's a great thing. The question that I
just had about sustainability for the next generation is to
come and listen. You have plenty of people that grew
up in strong Jewish households. Appearance may not have been
worth fact, but committed to Israel, to Judaism, and how
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many of them have assimilated in the culture and not
active a lot?
Speaker 14 (41:35):
And you know, and of course intermarriage plays a large
role for non orthodox Jews. The intermarriage raised in the seventies.
Now it's over seventy percent. And we know what the
impact is, you know on Jewish continuity. It hurts. I'm
not going about conversions, now that's a different story. I'm
talking about households where there are true religions that you know,
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very often confuses the kid and very often leads to
a much weaker Jewish identity.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well, I think you're writing your book that the kids
who have a Jewish and Christian parent tended to be
mostly not Jewish. They don't follow in the religion. That's
just the number show.
Speaker 14 (42:14):
Yeah, it's what the number show.
Speaker 13 (42:15):
Again.
Speaker 14 (42:16):
Parents can do something about that. But there's no way
of overlooking what the intermarriage rate has been doing to
the American Jewish community. It's been very corrosive.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Now, part of the problem is is that you had
the erosion of the conservative movement, of the reform movement.
How big of a factor is RaBaD Rabbat to a
certain degree has rivaled conservative and reform camera Outside of
New York City, most of their membership or or ones
that ordinell we go to a conservative reform temple.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
How have they changing the American Jewish landscape.
Speaker 14 (42:48):
It's a very interesting question, and I think there needs
to be more There need to be more studies of it. Chris,
they have another magic ingredient, which is no dudes and
stop a lot of families when they look at the
you know what a synagogue costs. I think part of
it is that they're there for people who need it
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very occasionally, like I'm traveling and I have to say
Scottish for my father. So you go to Caban and
they're there for people who are seeking, you know, who
find a conservative or reform synagogue not meaningful enough to them.
They're on a lot of campuses now and they're all
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over the country. In a way, it's you know, really
it's miraculous if you think of where they started at
the end of World War Two, with basically nothing, and
if you ask any of the experts back then, they
would have told you it's hopeless. They're going to disappear,
and Orthodoxy is going to disappear in this country. So
it's been a miraculous change. But I think the question
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is who reaches out to Caban. That is, the college
student for example, who goes there, has to want to
go there.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Well, they get they reach out to people have these
misfic tanks and they go, are you Jewish to put
on filling and they they're known for that, and they
actually go with there. They're not just waiting for you
to come to them. It's not with Mantam'll come to
Mohammahamma go to the mountains. So to speak, and they
go to them, They go to the people.
Speaker 14 (44:15):
I think one of the things that works, and it
makes BOD work is they're so welcoming, they're not judgmental,
they want to help. And I gave a lecture so
some years ago at Harvard and then they said, then
we'll do a lunch for the students who come Jewish students.
And I said, we're going to do that at the
Hillel House and they said, no, We're going to do
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it a kabat. Everybody feels comfortable there. So they've really
achieved something remarkable on so many campuses in the US.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
So you optimistic or pessimistic about the saving of American jury.
Speaker 14 (44:48):
I think we're going to be a smaller community, but
I think we're going to be we can be a
vibrant community. So I'm mostly optimistic.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Because you have people such as Doug M. Hoffley, first gentleman.
He talks about his being Jewish as his fronment, yet
his kids are not technically Jewish, and they support the
Palestinians and they support come Us.
Speaker 14 (45:08):
We've seen that some of in some very good families,
and I think there are a lot of Jewish parents
wondering what did I do wrong? But if you look
at the statistic, it's no mystery. How do we have
a college kid with a good attitude toward Judias and
Jewishness in Israel? There are these obvious building blocks, and
that's what you have to do. Well.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think you hit on the head. You see, just
growing up in a Jewish household. You have to have
something concrete. That's what a Judaic thought, that's a Jewish philosophy.
It's not enough to say I'm going to do unless
you take concrete action. As great as your intentions are
on your Kipper or Russia Shana to be a different person,
unless you take steps to do it, ain't going to happen.
Speaker 14 (45:47):
Yep, not in this country. There's great open society. If
you don't do it, if you don't work on it,
if you don't intentionally build your kid's Jewish identity, it's
going to disappear.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
So let me ask us. I know you're the chairman
tick for Fun. Is there any movement? And this should
be a wake up quote, but I think the Jewish
community is sleeping at the wheels as far as making
any changes. So how do we shake things up that
there should be a national consensus, a national movement among
Jews of all backgrounds. I don't care if you're religious,
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not religious, to save Judaism in America, to make a
stronger committed jew.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
How do we get this off the ground?
Speaker 14 (46:25):
Well, part of it is just families. That is, don't
wait for the Jewish Community Council, don't wait for the
you know, national organizations. Think about what's happening in your
own family. Are you doing what you ought to be doing?
Speaker 15 (46:39):
Then?
Speaker 14 (46:39):
I think it's it's people getting together. I mean, we
open Tika opened this new school in Manhattan, and we've
had inquiries from parents in Washington, d c. In other
parts of the country in the South saying how do.
Speaker 13 (46:52):
We do that?
Speaker 14 (46:53):
We don't like the offerings here. Our school MT is
not an Orthodox day school, it's a Jewish day school
and a lot of parents have asked us about that too.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Well, how you get around that?
Speaker 12 (47:04):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I believe you have some Orthodox students too. Correct.
Speaker 14 (47:06):
We have you know, obviously kosher food, and we have
mourning services which are voluntary. But I'll tell you what
we don't do and many Orthodox schools do. If you
say we're Jewish family and we want to send our kids.
We don't send investigators. We don't ask you what do
you mean you're Jewish? Who's Jewish? How are they Jewish?
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What do you practice in the home? We say, great,
send the children and we'll teach them and will help
you build a better Jewish identity.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
So you don't ask them if they're Jewish.
Speaker 14 (47:38):
We don't ask them about, for example, who converted. If
it's the mother, let's say what who converted you? We
don't ask that question.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
We expect standards that they have to be Jewish, but
you're not going to check us in.
Speaker 14 (47:50):
We don't have Jewish Christian students, but we don't ask
you know, what's the status of the conversion, and which
parent is Jewish? Assuming one is and one isn't. And
most of the kids you know are classically Jewish and
a latic sense, but others are not. Some some have
come from Orthodox day schools, some from the fancy private schools,
some from the very good public schools like stuiveisant and
(48:13):
they want more Jewish content. But you said something before,
that's very important. They've got to be very good schools.
Parents are not going to send their children to a
second rate Jewish school. They want it to be as
good as the best private schools, and we can do
that in the Jewish community. We can do that, and
that's what we're trying to start with with this program.
(48:36):
And we're working with the University of Florida to inject
i'd say more Jewish content in their honors programs because
there's no reason why that can it be a mecca
for Jewish students.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Well, are they promoting themselves to Jewish students. You have
to want to appeal to them. Are they doing this homework?
Speaker 14 (48:54):
Yep. And we're going to be helping them in dealing
with Jewish day schools for example the country that where
the students may not be thinking of University of Florida,
they should be thinking about it.
Speaker 13 (49:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Here's the interesting thing. Schools such as Columbia Born or
at NYU don't really want the same amount of Jewish
students that they had in the past. They used to
be strongholds of Jewish students, including Orthodox students. Today they
wanted in the name of diversification, they want to get
people from around the country.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Guess what that means less Jews from New York.
Speaker 14 (49:25):
Absolutely, it's way down I mean in every Ivy League school,
which again in the in the sixties. I'd say the
fifties were third Jewish, They're ten percent Jewish, they're twelve
percent Jewish. It's it's on the way down. And of
course for the Jewish war there it is a much
less welcoming experience than it was a generation or Truigo Elliott.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
What was your.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Most shocking revelation doing research.
Speaker 14 (49:52):
For your book Shocking Revolution?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
What was on that caught you by surprise or you
didn't anticipate when you wrote the book and you discovered
it while you're doing the research.
Speaker 14 (50:01):
How much a Jewish college student's reaction to the college
and to the anti Semitism and the wokeism is actually
dependent on what they get to the campus with. It's
not what happens on campus, it's what they arrive with.
It's their background and their upbringing.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Ellie Abras, what is your next book going to be?
Speaker 14 (50:23):
Oh? God, I don't know. Give me a few years man.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Anyway, The book is called if You Will It Rebuilding
Jewish People for the twenty first Century's written by Elie Abras,
a sherman of tip of Fund. It's great to have
you back again. I know well last time we discussed
the Middle East and politics. But this is also very
important because in order to have a strong is when
we'd have strong American Jews that is supportive of Israel.
And unfortunately we have to do our homework where we're
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How American Jews are fair? And how are we doing?
How are we surviving as a people? These are all
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about that. Our guests is an expert. First of all,
we last had him on in the capacity of dealing
with the Middle East, where he's an expert at Israel
and this Arab neighbors.
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He was in the Reagan administration.
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He's written four books, as latest is called If You
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Elliot Abrams is our guest, the graduate of Harvard College
Harvard Law School. His other book, I think we had
him on Faith or Fear, How Jews can survive in
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a Christian America.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Welcome back to the program.
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Thank you, it's been a while. I'm glad to do it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Thank you. I know you more from dealing with Israel
and now dealing internally, and your fascinating book deals with
the challenges American Jews has and how American Jews can
really survive in America. We're into marriage, assimilation and culturation
is eating at the fabric of American Jews. Tell us
how many American Jews are there? Because I like the
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number six million. I think you're right about seven million.
I've seen people write less.
Speaker 14 (08:46):
What number are You're right the Pew study, which is
the biggest study, he says seven and a half million,
But I don't think seven point five million is right.
The great Israeli demographer Sergio Della Pergol at the Hebrew
University says six point three million. I think that's a
lot closer. So six a little over six is probably
the best will do.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, American Jews have been assimilating in and culturating for
a while into marrying AB's Irish Rose was a movie
going back, right, You all say Bridget and Burney, which
had controversy where you had Jews and non Jews marrying.
You have this series on Netflix where you have a rabbi.
I'm not sure he's considered conservative reform, but he ducks
being a rabbi, which he loves so much, to be
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with a non Jewish woman.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So you see all these signs and trends.
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I know, look, magazine did an article and what was
the number of years ago is the vanishing American Jew?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
They disappeared the Jew is still here, but to what degree?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Because I think our assimilation is really changing because today
you have, for example, I think maybe during COVID a
lot change because instead of going to synagogue in the
non orthodox world, you can zoom.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I think places still zoom.
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And if I can zoom, aga zoom to any congregation
in America, I don't have to zoom to my local synagogue.
Speaker 14 (10:01):
I think the numbers are bad. Let me say that
there's a lot of let's call it fraying at the
edges or erosion. Here's an example. There's two point four
million children in America growing up in a home with
two Jewish parents or one Jewish parent. Of them, half
half are being raised exclusively as Jews. The other half
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are being raised as nothing or as Christians and Jews
or as Christians half. So no, we're not going to
lose one hundred percent of those. We're going to lose
a lot of those. So I think there are a
lot of ways of looking at the numbers. But if
you ask Jews, American Jews, how important is it to
you that your grandchildren be Jewish? Fewer than half say
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it's very important to me. And if it's not important
to you. You know you're not going to do much
about it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You're absolutely gork I was in Poland a number of
years ago. It was a trip to going to the
name of the city would come to me, and a
lot of people came there. It was you know, it
was Plaza, pleaded the Chief envoy of Israel. But allow
was there. In other words, they were they're dedicating Uh.
It was a city which I had thirty three percent Jews.
And I met a young man, I think from Sweden,
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handsome young man, and I said, why are you here
from me? Goes, well, his father is here, his grandfather
who they're connecting to his past. His grandfather came from
the town, survivor of the Holocaust, and he's here. And
I had to a conversation with him and I go,
will you marry a Jewish woman? He goes absolutely not.
I go, why not? It's not important to my parents,
It's not important to me. So I said them, forgive
me for asking this question. You're here to connect to
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your Jewish past. You have no Jewish future, say sort
of admitted to me. And I told him. I try
to tell him there attractive young ladies in Israel. He
should maybe check out Israel. I don't win impact that
I had. But that's you hit it on the head.
If it's not important to your parents that you marry
Jewish and be Jewish, why should they be Jewish?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
So how do you get around that? Elliott?
Speaker 14 (11:52):
Well, what I say in the book is if you
don't care, you don't care. I mean, you can't persuade
someone who is simply not interested us to assimilate. But
what if you care? What if you're a parent or
a grandparent non Orthodox? Now we're talking. If you're a parent,
you're a grandparent, you're a philanthropist, you got a foundation,
or you're at a Jewish organization? What can be done
that works? And I say in the book there are
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three things we can get into it. One of them
is better Jewish education. One of them is Jewish summer camp,
which is actually very important. And the third is time
in Israel. And the more the better. And that works
because you know, my grandparents, for example, were born in Europe.
They were immigrants, so I was raised around people speaking
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Yiddish in a Jewish neighborhood. That's not what happens to
kids today. You know, everybody moved to the suburbs. That's
for World War two, and people don't live in that
kind of immersive, dense Jewish experience. You have to create it.
You have to intentionally create it. It's not automatic anymore.
And where do you create it? In a Jewish school,
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in a Jewish camp and by going to Israel. I
give you one number that I think will surprise you
and the listener. You know what percentage of American Jews
have been to Israel once after twenty years of birthright?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Very small amount, but thirteen percent.
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Fewer than half. And this is a really bad number.
If you compare Canadian Jews, Australian Jews, British Juice, French juice.
In those countries it's eighty ninety percent.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So the number again in the United States.
Speaker 14 (13:28):
Birthright, counting all the tens of thousands who been. So
what it tells us, I think is if you care,
you have to do something. You can't sit and watch.
It is not automatic anymore. You have to create that
sense of Jewish identity.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Can I recommend well, I know birthright is important, it's
really aimed for college, because I think it's already too late.
They should be starting in high school. Now, what about
having the funds from the philanthropists and from the federations
that every child turns bar or bought mitzvah, they sponsor
a trip to Israel for the family, because.
Speaker 14 (14:04):
A lot of synagogus and federations do that where they say,
you know, will we'll give or at least they make
a contribution. Money has a lot to do with all
of this, because there's a lot of Jewish families they're
not rich, that would like to go to Israel, but
it's expensive to take the whole family, or they like
to send the kids to camp for a couple of months.
You know how expensive that can be. There are programs
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that try to do this, but I'm with you. I
mean these team tours of Israel that for high school
kids very very important because you know what, there have
been studies now of news on college campuses after October seventh,
and there's a kind of myth that you know, everybody,
every Jewish student has waked up and they're now all activists.
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Not true. What's true is the kids who get to
college with a strong Jewish background become more active, more identified.
Did you get to college with nothing, have nothing, and
they don't change overright, So you know you're right in
suggesting they're going to get to college with some Jewish idea.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I'm talking birthright for high school kids. That are
about why it should be not just done individual, it
should be on a national level. There should be the
priority of all the Jewish organizations to make sure you're
having a bar mitzvah. Because what happened with the Burns
is the beginning in the end of Jewish education. For
the shows I intrew ed Asnu passed away recently. You know,
(15:31):
he grew au porthodox. I don't if you're aware that. No,
he had bar mitza. So I chatted with him and
he and when I spoke the we didn't even know
what Knico was. He was so removed from Judaism. I go,
do you remember anything for your Barmitzrik goes absolutely not.
Then he starts saying borhoi shamhamvoa, and you know, but
to him, that was the beginning of the end of Judaism.
Practically for many American Jews, if they have a bar mitza,
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that's it.
Speaker 14 (15:54):
Yeah, and you know we have this model, We've had
it for I don't know since World War Two. Certainly
that Jurish education is done in the synagogue. And you know,
if you think of it, why would it be true
that every senatologue in America has a terrific Hebrew school.
They don't. A lot of them are not very good
Hebrew schools. That's part of the problem that we've you know,
(16:15):
this is all diffuse. It's all done in synagogues, and
many many are second rate.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Right, and even that turns off more kids than turns
them on, unfortunately, from what I've heard. So what do
we do about it?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Because education is really the key, and the Orthodox community
you have, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
A strong stress and the tuition is high, but parents
make sacrifice for their education. In the non Orthodox world,
parents are not willing to make that sacrifice. I spoke
to a parent and they said, why don't you send
your kid to y Achieva? Well, it's expense like it,
but you're spending so much money on this vacation of
that vacation, isn't your kids education worth something? Say look
(16:52):
at me? And he said I was right. So yes,
it has to be a priority of parents. But perhaps
we should be investing in having scholarship where kids can go,
especially when the public schools today are really a wasteland
with drugs and wokeness, et cetera. So it's a good opera.
I know Tikas has a school in Manhattan. We just
started just what you're capitalizing on this, right.
Speaker 14 (17:13):
Right, We just started school just down September called Emmett
Classical Academy. Look, there are experiments with this. There's one
in Toronto, for example, to try to get the price
down and to talk with the families and give them
a price cap that is, you have two kids, you
have three kids, you will never be paying more than
this amount. In Washington State, in Seattle, there's a foundation,
(17:36):
Samus Foundation that said will subsidize. And of course if
not every kid is going to go to Jewish day school,
but more would if there was help. Or as the
guy in Toronto put it, for Orthodox Jews, the demand
is in elastic everybody goes. But for non Orthodox Jews
it's very elastic demand. And if you help with the finances,
(18:00):
you are going to get more gigs going Emmett that
we started in Manhattan. You know, we're getting kids from
these fancy private schools that where the parents have decided,
you know, they can't go there anymore. It's so woke,
it's so andy Semitic, it's so andy Israel that they
want the kids to come out. But there need to
be alternatives, there need to be opportunities. That's what we're
(18:22):
trying to create.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
As we were talking, I had into it a father
and Israeli father in his school. I've got which part
of the country that Hitler on the wall as being
a hero, and he was incensed over it, and they said,
why are you sending your kid to such a school?
Why did it send it to a Jewish school. I
think his parents would have liked to do that. But
you have the belief that they're going to send them
to a public school despite all this anti semitism and
well the wokeness that exists. Hitler was a hero on
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the wall in this particular school. Wow, you can't make
some of the stuff up that exists out there. Elliot
abrams our guests that he's written a fascinating book, if
you will it Rebuilding Jewish People for the twenty first century.
He was a Deputy National Security Advisor and George W.
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Speaker 3 (23:55):
Elliot Abrams our guests that he's written a fascinating book,
if you will it Rebuilding Jewish People with the twenty
first century. He was a Deputy National Security Advisor in
George W. Bush administration. He's the chairman of the Tick
for Fund. I want you to put on the Israel
hat because in your book what I found amazing. I
would have thought that after the creation of the State
of Israel and other pivotal moments in Israel, that American
(24:17):
Jews become more Israel oriented, more Zionistic. And you write
that the polls show that Israel has not been a
priority even after the creation of the state. Only a
certain times that ebbs where they come more Zionistic than
it goes back to where they're either apathetic or non
Zionist or anti Zionists.
Speaker 14 (24:34):
Yeah, it's what happens. I mean, for example, when Israel
was being created. There was a burst of enthusiasm to
get it done nineteen forty eight, and then you know,
it just ebbs away. It comes back in nineteen sixty seven,
nineteen seventy three with the wars. If you look at
Israel bonds for Temple sixty seven, it goes up, you know, amazingly,
and then it comes down. This is not going to
(24:56):
save us. I see people today saying, you know, October
seven everything for American Jews. Well, I don't think so.
I think again, it's another one of these moments. The
question is what's going to be Where will we be
in one, two, three, five, ten years from now? And
I don't think again, it's not automatic. We've got to
(25:16):
do things that create that link to Israel, and nothing
is better. You can teach it, but nothing is better
than visiting. There's just no substitute for being there. And again,
Jews from all over the world do it much more
frequently than we do. We are the worst major diaspora
(25:36):
community when it comes to visiting Israel and spending time
in Israel. So I don't expect this terrible moment of
October seventh last year, or even the anti Semitism that
we're seeing on campuses. To really transform the American Jewish community.
Speaker 13 (25:56):
We have to do it.
Speaker 14 (25:57):
We can't say, you know, israel It or antisemitism will
do it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
We have When you say who is the WI, the
wei is.
Speaker 14 (26:06):
The organized Jewish community, but the we is also parents
and grandparents. It's it's the parents and grandparents who got
to make that decision. For example them, that's right. Well
for some, for some, I think they think this is
just gonna happen because we have a good you know,
we have a good Jewish family. Well then you ask people, well,
(26:27):
but what what are you doing about education? What are
you doing about summer camp? Well, they go to camp
Jewish camp. Well, no, they've got to make these decisions.
And as you were saying, it's there's a question of
priorities here. What are you what are you spending your
money on. I talk to people who've just taken their
kids to France, They've just taken their kids to Camp Kun,
(26:48):
They've just taken their you know, go to Israel. Go
to Israel, junior, you're abroad, don't go to Scotland, don't
go to Geneva. Go to Israel. And that's not even
more expensive. Because the kids are often going anyway. So
this is for donors, it's for philanthropists, but the first
responsibility is the parents and grandparents.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
No, I agree with you, but the problem is we
live in such a woke society. Listen.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I did a show prior to the past of a
holiday where parents who are pro Israel went to workshop
how to deal with the kids that coming from colleges
that are anti Israel.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You have that problem too.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm sure
it's bigger than we want to acknowledge. Yes, they're people
from October seventh who become more committed. There are also
people who have become more pro Hamas, pro Palestinian pro
Ceasfire Group.
Speaker 14 (27:35):
True, although those kids, mostly we're talking statistics, are kids
who do not have this kind of strong Jewish background.
But you just mentioned college, and there's one other thing
to say. You're you know, as a community, we wanted
to go to the most prestigious fifty or one hundred
colleges in America.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But you went to Harvard.
Speaker 14 (27:52):
I did. And when I went to Harvard, you know,
it was about a third Jewish, and now it's not
even half that same for the whole IVY League. So
I think you've got to be thinking again. You get
back to parents, don't look for the prestige. Don't send
your kid to a campus that's a battleground of anti Semitism.
Think about the places that want Jews that are helping
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defend yours. One example the University of Florida. There are
more Jews in the University of Florida than any other
college in America. And you may remember what happened when
these demonstrations started. The president Van ben Sas said, we
don't do daycare. We don't do daycare. This is a university.
You know what the rules are, you've all had them,
(28:33):
violate them, you're out. So parents need to be thinking
as you were saying, about what's going on in those
colleges and selecting not on the basis of somebody's idea
of prestige, but what will the experience be for your
child when it comes to being a Jew and being
pro Isroe.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I have a daughter and son in law and Harvard
and they feel the anthemis and my daughter became an
activist in Barnard because of the anti sevens speaking outs
but not everybody can be an activist, some of them
hide their Jewishness because of what's going on too, and
that's part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Doing You mentioned something else in.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The book, We need strong committed Jews a because we
have to be part of our religion, but also for
Israel needs that support. We've been relying very heavily on
Christian support for Israel. They're much greater, the evangelical Christians
are larger numbers. But what concerns me and you touch
on in a book, according to the studies, is that
a lot of these Christian younger generation are coming back
(29:26):
anti Israel woke.
Speaker 14 (29:28):
It's absolutely right. I mean, if you look at young
Evangelicals not as supportive of Israel as their parents, young
Democrats not as supportive, Young Jews not as supportive. So
you got to build this. I mean, this is very
important for Israel because their pillars of support in the
United States seem to be weakening. The way to strengthen them,
(29:49):
in large part is to make sure the Jewish community
at least remains strong and dedicated.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Well, you have a birthright for Christians, I believe too,
don't we.
Speaker 14 (29:58):
There is called the Pelos that runs these programs very
important for young evangelicals.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Exactly, but we have to do a lot more for Jews.
Who's funding the birthright for Christians is that Christian groups,
Jewish groups.
Speaker 14 (30:11):
Jewish groups. I believe, yeah, And it's a good investment
because you know, there are more Christians than Jews in America.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Hard to believe sometimes, but it's true, very hard, very
hard to very hard to believe too. But I think
we're at a crossroads because the pace is moved a lot,
a lot now, more so than the years past, because
of the Internet and people like you said, there is
no Jewish neighbors. Even if you grew up in a
conservative reform household, you chances all you lived in the
(30:40):
Jewish area, Jewish stores. Now you can live anywhere, and
you can do through zoom in the part of it.
So it's hard to reverse. It's hard to even reach
out to the American Jews.
Speaker 14 (30:50):
It's a great thing in one way, right, I mean
the greatness of America. You can assimilate, you're free, you
can live in the whole society. But for a small minority,
and we're not much more than two percent of the population,
it can be very corrosive because we just we lose people.
We lose a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
No, we certainly do.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
But the Orthodox community is growing because that's becoming stronger
and more solidified. The education is better than it was,
and in fact, a lot of people would send their
kid to an Orthodox school because the secular studies are
someone that we're up to par with some of the
high end schools in the secular society.
Speaker 14 (31:26):
And the Orthodox, of course, because they need to be
able to walk to Synegague. They do live in this
kind of dance Jewish community that the rest of American
Jews don't live.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Our guest is Elliott Abrams is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
The book is called if You Will It Rebuilding the
Jewish People for the twenty first Century. His chairman of
a ticket fund here in New York City, a board
member of the Jewish People Policy Institute in Jerusalem.
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Would you go to a different school?
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I'd go to the Harvard of the years when I
went in the sixties, I don't think I would send
a child today.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
It's a different environment. Now, let me ask you this question.
The Orthodox community, thank are that the rate of intermarriages,
similationion color is low because there's a commitment to Judaism.
Can you build a Jewish identity in America just on
Israel justin going to summer camp. Don't you need a
more immersion for it to really work, because it doesn't
(38:06):
seem to work unless you have a stronger commitment than
just even going to Israel.
Speaker 14 (38:11):
Well, this is a really great question. That is, let's say,
what's the role of Judaism? That is, can Jews survive
in America outside the Orthodox community. My answer to that is,
I think so. I'm not downplaying the religious element. And
after all, who are the non Orthodox Jews who may
become more religious. They are the rest of the community.
(38:34):
They're kind of the reserve army of Jews who might
become more religious. But I think it is possible to
build Jewish identity if you use those building blocks. Your
kids are educated, your kids go to summer camp where
they are surrounded by Jews, and they see role models
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(39:00):
mean Israel. Think of a college, who's nineteen. What are
they doing?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
In the US?
Speaker 14 (39:04):
You worry about exams, you worry about whether you're going
to win Ultimate Frisbee or not. Go to Israel and
meet your equals there who are nineteen. You know where
they are. They're in Gaza, They're in Lebanon, fighting for
their country, risking their life for their country. That is
I think the most life changing experience for young American Jews.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
But here's the problem with questions to sustainability. And let's
be honest, the conservative movement, which in the fifties was
so strong, has imploded. The reform movement again has changed.
You don't even have to be Jewish to be part
of the reform movement. It's a whole change of religious as.
Synagogues don't have the same value that they have. So yes,
you're going to Stress summer camp. I'm believer there should
(39:45):
be a stronger Jewish, non Jewish, non Orthodox Jewish education.
There should be, but that requires lots of money and
giving scholarships and helping people and educating the whole people,
and only those who are going to go have a
stronger commitment. To begin with, the vast majority of American
Jews are not really that interested, unfortunately.
Speaker 14 (40:01):
Many or not. If you look at the Jewish community,
let's pick a your twenty fifty, it's going to be
more Orthodox because we will have had more erosion. But
the Orthodox birth rate is good. It's better than replacement.
If you look at the American Jewish community today, it's
about teen percent Orthodox, but look at the five year olds,
that's more like fifteen percent Orthodox because they're staying Jewish
(40:22):
and they're having children. So that's gonna happen. It's going
to be the Orthodox will be a larger portion of
the American Jewish community. But for the Jews who care
for thinking, how do I do this? I'm not Orthodox.
You can't argue, you know, you can't say to a parent,
here's what you gotta do, you gotta be Orthodox. It
just doesn't work as a formula. There are things you
(40:42):
can do. And those Jewish kids who go to college
and end up being activists, they're not all Orthodox, but
they're kids who who say, well, in my family, it
was important my family, we have Friday night dinner together Shabbah,
and my family belong to a synagogue. My parents took
me to Israel, we went to a Jewish summer camp.
Those are the building blocks and if you care, that's
(41:05):
what you got to do.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh, I agree, Well, listen, we need to do something.
Both of the education.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Summer camp I think is a great way because it's
not as expensive as education, So to both of the
summer camps, it's a great thing. The question that I
just had about sustainability for the next generation is to
come and listen. You have plenty of people that grew
up in strong Jewish households. Appearance may not have been
worth fact, but committed to Israel, to Judaism, and how
(41:31):
many of them have assimilated in the culture and not
active a lot?
Speaker 14 (41:35):
And you know, and of course intermarriage plays a large
role for non orthodox Jews. The intermarriage raised in the seventies.
Now it's over seventy percent. And we know what the
impact is, you know on Jewish continuity. It hurts. I'm
not going about conversions, now that's a different story. I'm
talking about households where there are true religions that you know,
(41:58):
very often confuses the kid and very often leads to
a much weaker Jewish identity.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well, I think you're writing your book that the kids
who have a Jewish and Christian parent tended to be
mostly not Jewish. They don't follow in the religion. That's
just the number show.
Speaker 14 (42:14):
Yeah, it's what the number show.
Speaker 13 (42:15):
Again.
Speaker 14 (42:16):
Parents can do something about that. But there's no way
of overlooking what the intermarriage rate has been doing to
the American Jewish community. It's been very corrosive.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Now, part of the problem is is that you had
the erosion of the conservative movement, of the reform movement.
How big of a factor is RaBaD Rabbat to a
certain degree has rivaled conservative and reform camera Outside of
New York City, most of their membership or or ones
that ordinell we go to a conservative reform temple.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
How have they changing the American Jewish landscape.
Speaker 14 (42:48):
It's a very interesting question, and I think there needs
to be more There need to be more studies of it. Chris,
they have another magic ingredient, which is no dudes and
stop a lot of families when they look at the
you know what a synagogue costs. I think part of
it is that they're there for people who need it
(43:09):
very occasionally, like I'm traveling and I have to say
Scottish for my father. So you go to Caban and
they're there for people who are seeking, you know, who
find a conservative or reform synagogue not meaningful enough to them.
They're on a lot of campuses now and they're all
(43:31):
over the country. In a way, it's you know, really
it's miraculous if you think of where they started at
the end of World War Two, with basically nothing, and
if you ask any of the experts back then, they
would have told you it's hopeless. They're going to disappear,
and Orthodoxy is going to disappear in this country. So
it's been a miraculous change. But I think the question
(43:52):
is who reaches out to Caban. That is, the college
student for example, who goes there, has to want to
go there.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Well, they get they reach out to people have these
misfic tanks and they go, are you Jewish to put
on filling and they they're known for that, and they
actually go with there. They're not just waiting for you
to come to them. It's not with Mantam'll come to
Mohammahamma go to the mountains. So to speak, and they
go to them, They go to the people.
Speaker 14 (44:15):
I think one of the things that works, and it
makes BOD work is they're so welcoming, they're not judgmental,
they want to help. And I gave a lecture so
some years ago at Harvard and then they said, then
we'll do a lunch for the students who come Jewish students.
And I said, we're going to do that at the
Hillel House and they said, no, We're going to do
(44:36):
it a kabat. Everybody feels comfortable there. So they've really
achieved something remarkable on so many campuses in the US.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
So you optimistic or pessimistic about the saving of American jury.
Speaker 14 (44:48):
I think we're going to be a smaller community, but
I think we're going to be we can be a
vibrant community. So I'm mostly optimistic.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Because you have people such as Doug M. Hoffley, first gentleman.
He talks about his being Jewish as his fronment, yet
his kids are not technically Jewish, and they support the
Palestinians and they support come Us.
Speaker 14 (45:08):
We've seen that some of in some very good families,
and I think there are a lot of Jewish parents
wondering what did I do wrong? But if you look
at the statistic, it's no mystery. How do we have
a college kid with a good attitude toward Judias and
Jewishness in Israel? There are these obvious building blocks, and
that's what you have to do. Well.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think you hit on the head. You see, just
growing up in a Jewish household. You have to have
something concrete. That's what a Judaic thought, that's a Jewish philosophy.
It's not enough to say I'm going to do unless
you take concrete action. As great as your intentions are
on your Kipper or Russia Shana to be a different person,
unless you take steps to do it, ain't going to happen.
Speaker 14 (45:47):
Yep, not in this country. There's great open society. If
you don't do it, if you don't work on it,
if you don't intentionally build your kid's Jewish identity, it's
going to disappear.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
So let me ask us. I know you're the chairman
tick for Fun. Is there any movement? And this should
be a wake up quote, but I think the Jewish
community is sleeping at the wheels as far as making
any changes. So how do we shake things up that
there should be a national consensus, a national movement among
Jews of all backgrounds. I don't care if you're religious,
(46:18):
not religious, to save Judaism in America, to make a
stronger committed jew.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
How do we get this off the ground?
Speaker 14 (46:25):
Well, part of it is just families. That is, don't
wait for the Jewish Community Council, don't wait for the
you know, national organizations. Think about what's happening in your
own family. Are you doing what you ought to be doing?
Speaker 15 (46:39):
Then?
Speaker 14 (46:39):
I think it's it's people getting together. I mean, we
open Tika opened this new school in Manhattan, and we've
had inquiries from parents in Washington, d c. In other
parts of the country in the South saying how do.
Speaker 13 (46:52):
We do that?
Speaker 14 (46:53):
We don't like the offerings here. Our school MT is
not an Orthodox day school, it's a Jewish day school
and a lot of parents have asked us about that too.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Well, how you get around that?
Speaker 12 (47:04):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
I believe you have some Orthodox students too. Correct.
Speaker 14 (47:06):
We have you know, obviously kosher food, and we have
mourning services which are voluntary. But I'll tell you what
we don't do and many Orthodox schools do. If you
say we're Jewish family and we want to send our kids.
We don't send investigators. We don't ask you what do
you mean you're Jewish? Who's Jewish? How are they Jewish?
(47:27):
What do you practice in the home? We say, great,
send the children and we'll teach them and will help
you build a better Jewish identity.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
So you don't ask them if they're Jewish.
Speaker 14 (47:38):
We don't ask them about, for example, who converted. If
it's the mother, let's say what who converted you? We
don't ask that question.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
We expect standards that they have to be Jewish, but
you're not going to check us in.
Speaker 14 (47:50):
We don't have Jewish Christian students, but we don't ask
you know, what's the status of the conversion, and which
parent is Jewish? Assuming one is and one isn't. And
most of the kids you know are classically Jewish and
a latic sense, but others are not. Some some have
come from Orthodox day schools, some from the fancy private schools,
some from the very good public schools like stuiveisant and
(48:13):
they want more Jewish content. But you said something before,
that's very important. They've got to be very good schools.
Parents are not going to send their children to a
second rate Jewish school. They want it to be as
good as the best private schools, and we can do
that in the Jewish community. We can do that, and
that's what we're trying to start with with this program.
(48:36):
And we're working with the University of Florida to inject
i'd say more Jewish content in their honors programs because
there's no reason why that can it be a mecca
for Jewish students.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Well, are they promoting themselves to Jewish students. You have
to want to appeal to them. Are they doing this homework?
Speaker 14 (48:54):
Yep. And we're going to be helping them in dealing
with Jewish day schools for example the country that where
the students may not be thinking of University of Florida,
they should be thinking about it.
Speaker 13 (49:07):
Now.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Here's the interesting thing. Schools such as Columbia Born or
at NYU don't really want the same amount of Jewish
students that they had in the past. They used to
be strongholds of Jewish students, including Orthodox students. Today they
wanted in the name of diversification, they want to get
people from around the country.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Guess what that means less Jews from New York.
Speaker 14 (49:25):
Absolutely, it's way down I mean in every Ivy League school,
which again in the in the sixties. I'd say the
fifties were third Jewish, They're ten percent Jewish, they're twelve
percent Jewish. It's it's on the way down. And of
course for the Jewish war there it is a much
less welcoming experience than it was a generation or Truigo Elliott.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
What was your.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Most shocking revelation doing research.
Speaker 14 (49:52):
For your book Shocking Revolution?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
What was on that caught you by surprise or you
didn't anticipate when you wrote the book and you discovered
it while you're doing the research.
Speaker 14 (50:01):
How much a Jewish college student's reaction to the college
and to the anti Semitism and the wokeism is actually
dependent on what they get to the campus with. It's
not what happens on campus, it's what they arrive with.
It's their background and their upbringing.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
Ellie Abras, what is your next book going to be?
Speaker 14 (50:23):
Oh? God, I don't know. Give me a few years man.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Anyway, The book is called if You Will It Rebuilding
Jewish People for the twenty first Century's written by Elie Abras,
a sherman of tip of Fund. It's great to have
you back again. I know well last time we discussed
the Middle East and politics. But this is also very
important because in order to have a strong is when
we'd have strong American Jews that is supportive of Israel.
And unfortunately we have to do our homework where we're
(50:47):
falling way way behind where we should be.
Speaker 14 (50:50):
We are, Thanks Eev, it's been great to be on
with you again.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Thank you.
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