Rabbi Aaron Rakeffet-Rothkopf discussing Orthodoxy

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SOBBI. Aaron mckeffat Rokoff, welcomeback. Good to have you on the
air with us again. Thank you, Thank you a pleasure to speak with
you. I know that you're closewith the rough Selivaick and you talk about
that and some interesting personalities. SoI was just curious because we live in

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an age today where we have alot more polarization than year has gone by.
Even there existed. I mean,I remember reading in Brussels you had
Rabbi Arthur Cohne. One year hewas head of the Aguda, the next
year he was head of Misrachi.You won't find that today. But you
had certain relationships from different movements.And I'm thinking about the v Selivateick and

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even Professor Sauliebman had the Jewish IologicalSummer. They had a connection. There
was a relationship that were related,correct, they were related by marriage and
they had a relationship and ongoing relationship. They were very different. Well,
you have to understand that Professor showLeidman may have been the greatest buckie of

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the twentieth century. He was afirst cousin to the Hazonich. Their mothers
were sisters and the one kind ProfessorLiebmann wrote to the Hazonish about asas they
were looking for, and the Hazonishwrote back playfully, but this is what
he said. You're asking me.You're the greater buckie. And the Professor

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Lehman had a photographic memory. Ican tell you that Baron Liechtenstein took a
class that he was teaching when you'reready was a Russa shivrin in Yu in
the sixties, so this has tobe mid sixties, and it was a
class of college kids, and hetook them to meet Professor Leetman and he

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told him in advance, you canask him any question you want for calla
torakula, and he will lanswer youas if he just looked at it one
minute before where you asked him.And I taught students who were part of
that group, and they said theywere just blown away. It was just
as Rabaron said, but there wasa big difference between the two. The

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rev was a classic com with thisin the vein of with waning and scholarship
chum and all that kum innovated.Professor Lieberman was more of a scientific scholar,
although I have to tell you thescientific world never accepted him fully.

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They always looked upon him as moreYeshivish than scholarship. And that's the fact.
Nanette at Stanger was his professor atHebrew Youth, also a great comic
Hackam, but scientific. He wouldnot allow a Professor Lieberman to continue for

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a doctorate at Hebrew. There's awhole movie in Israel about this episode,
not by these names, but everyoneknew who they were talking about, and
I think it was called footnotes up. I believe in English he was called
footnotes. And as a result,Rep Show never had a doctor and he
had a master's from Hebrew News,but he had something like thirty honorary doctorates.

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Now, his approach was a mergerof traditional and scientific. He knew
Greek and Latin, and all theseGreek and Latin words meant that show up
in the rabbinic literature. He wasan absolute expert in telling you what the
word meant and begin the background.And he was one of a kind.

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His coseptak shuka. You any comment, Hussam recognizes, it's the finest commentary
under Colsefta to establish what the propertext, meeting and content is. There's
no pilpile there. But you know, the Tosseptic text was not studied as

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widely as the Gamarrah and therefore morecorruption corrept in which was not corrected.
Professor Leibman's dosseta kashuta any koma kossumin the world. Who really wants to
understand tossept the mass jun says,Unfortunately he could not complete it in his
lifetime. And I don't believe there'sanyone alive today on his level but this

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who could complete it. But thiswas the difference between the Rough and Professor
Leeveman, two different approaches. Nowthere were they were related, but perhaps
we can go over because he wasa big own Professor Leverman, had he
end up with the seminar, whichwas a cityl of the conservative movement.
Why did the Entrepreneurship University. Thespeculation that doctor Belkin felt he was still

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competitive in some of the science disciplines, that he was sort of specialist and
they didn't want competition. Perhaps youcan elaborate. No, I don't believe
that to be true. I thinkplain and simple professor leave them and was
interviewed by the Jerusalem Post. Iwas in the seventies. I've been living
in Israel fifty years now, soI remember in the seventies there was an

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article in the Jerusalem Post where theyasked him this very question, what are
you doing at the seminary? Andhe answered rosso answered, look, everyone
knows I'm Orthodox, but no onecould give me the working conditions that the
seminary did. In other words,he gave two classes a week and the

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rest of his time he was inhis study and working working on the p
sector. And I think that's anaccurate assessment. Why you could not give
him those conditions. There was BernardRebel Graduate School has been a very small
school when he arrived at Burnard Rebel. Yet Burnard that he was alive.

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Was I called the graduate school Ibelieve of Semitic Studies or something similar,
and they could not make this offerto him. He was in Israel,
head of the Harry Ficial Institute,but there too he did not have the
proper financial status that allowed him todevote most of his time to research.

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He came to America, and Ihave to say there was a tremendous controversy.
He completed with his father law ofMayor Berlin. He's going to the
seminary, he's giving the seminary yisand and he did not desist. He
went to the seminary. We'll leaveit for others to judge. But I

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only say this to my students whommaledict him. That he was so poor.
They say in the twenties in Israel, when he came in Aliyap with
the slob k yeshiva, that theysay his wife died because they couldn't afford
to go to a good doctor.So animla madolo, it's not that I
agree. In my own life,I was offered I can tell your stories

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in nearly sixties heavy money to takea conservative stugger. Someone heard me speak
a big rabbi and the conservative movementthat was the father of his father bottom.
In other words, I was mourningand eulogizing the generation that was then

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in its eighties, and he hadthe children in their fifties. And after
that, after I spoke, hecame over to me and on the spot
I turned down. He said tome. I asked him, does what
having a pizza? And he saidwhat are you a masochist? You have
a wife, you have children,et cetera. So I'm not saying I
agree, but you have to understandwhere a show was coming from. On

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the other hand, COO's mind,that he was alive, the seminary remained
a lot better than it is today. Yes, you know, with the
ordination of women and God adversity,what happens afterwards with the gays Coles Monday,
he was alive, it was,I would say, but not Mattai

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Jam moved to Otoskainam. I'm quotingthe Meads about an Ayaharn and they were
waiting for him to die. Theminute he died, you know what happened,
and the almost the entire comative facultyleft on us. And today it's
a seminary that there's basically no differentthan he Reunion College in Cincinnati. But

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this was Robshaw. He was there. He raised the number of Communism who
mamish amid Hahamim and Sadik, andone of them I doubled with the many
years until his death. In yewShalam, Professor Dovas Lachnik, who resigned
when they decided to ordained women afterhis Rebbie die and they were so close

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that the Repsholo had no children andhis life pre deceased them. It was
Professor Zlotnik who was the administrator ofhis estate. Interestingly, a large sum
of money was given to Habbad byProfessor Leibman, so he who have a
Libbach first cousin of the Ami houndedof Slabata Mahone Henry Fisher, the Tosetic

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Shita. But on the ground hesaw what Kabad was accomplishing, and I
believe this was publicized among the Kabadwebsites. They might even have been a
check or they showed the actual instructions. I remember seeing it in either Professor
Leibman's handwriting or those Lachmik's handwriting,and dogs Latnik himself raised they du shaham

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native Eret with one of his daughtersdoing it. Talk to it on Bari
Lan on furniture in the Rabbinic period, and you could see the influencer of
show Lieberman with Greek and Latin wordson how the furniture was described and coming
up with theories, comparing it toother sources at that time what the furniture

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looked like. And this is huhMachisrael. It's not the rubbs Porte,
but this is Professor Leegan. Nowyou mentioned that Professor Lieberman contribute to Habat.
He's not the only conservative rabbi inthat time. Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg,
who I knew when he passed away. I believe his library was donated to
Habad. That a whole big ceremony. Too interesting. Well, Professor Liebman,

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you used to a conservative. Heeveryone knew he was Orthodox. In
other words, he there was neverany innovation on his part. It is
said about Louis Finkelstein, Professor LouisFinkelstein, by the way his father whispered,
Chiman Finkelstein, you're to pay asha rug, who was well known
throughout the United States. It wassaid that from the moment that Lieberman,

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Professor Liebman came to the seminary,Professor Swinkelstein believed in God and worshiped Professor
Lieberman, and he became he becamethe Finkelstein. He was the post sake
Aferum. And I'll tell you aninteresting incident that I remember actually living it

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and hearing it. I was akid at the time, but I already
was in you know, advanced inYeshiva Salanta, and I already had the
rebelim from Shankai was perhaps seventh gradeis forty seven forty eight, so Knik
at time Professor Swinkelstein brought gifts forthe students. What were the gifts,

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time clocks for their rooms and thedormitory on shabbists, and at that same
time the Rabbinical Assembly with its Committeeon Jewish Law, and they does with
the very question of electricity on shabbistsand the accepted opinion. I don't know
if you realize the seminary, theirrabbinic body had a different approach. It's

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not like kalaka. If you've learnedas sssors on Headrin, there's always a
final decision. We don't allow threedifferent decisions to hover over us if debate
and Poskin debate and postka. Butthey had a different approach altogether. If
there were twenty three rabbis on theCommittee of Jewish Law, if three rabbis

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issued an opinion, if you couldfollow it. In other words, let's
take jump of Shaney. There wasone opinion, you must observe them to
Shaney another opinion. Only if you'dhave a Cahila with a minion, I'm
and that Shaney. If not,you don't have to establish it. Another
opinion, abolish it altogether. Wehave a calendar, et cetera, et

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cetera. You had your choice.The same thing with stumb Janum. There
were three different opinions. You canuse anyone wine can never be traced for
sacramental purposes. Only use wine witha hat shot manechevits is when you're making
Kiddish. Outside of that gallo brothersis fine. The third opinion was and

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the rub had a rolland by theway, influencing Rabbi Rayton, who was
on the committee. And the thirdopinion was that this is a eazera to
keep the Jews and Gentiles apart.And it has nothing to do with whether
the wine is Kosha not Kosha.We cannot use non Kosha wine, et
cetera. So the same thing wouldhappen at any question. And with electricity,

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there was one which becomes the dumband opinion that you can use it
on shas electricity. You all,I believe you know the children Tradition and
Change, edited by Waxman, whowas I believe he was Mordecai He was
the son of Mayo Waxman of Heview. He would theological college what we call

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today's Skokie. His father wrote massivework, I mean Hebrew literature, and
he was was a big tom withCosimon Erasia Mayam and his sonat He was
a big conservative rabiapple the island.And in tradition and change they write about
driving on shabist of famous responsor orresponsum and singular, and they say,

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simply cost didn't exist at the timeof Montantola. Therefore kent the USA knew
the same thing with electricity. Sohere Professor Finkelstein is giving them a gift
of time clocks and bobsman at thesame time come committedly the matter electricity on
shoppists. So all right, theseare tidbits out of the past, but

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it bears no relevance today. Theseminary is a different in the actually become
reform light. Well, I wouldn'teven use the word light. Let's put
it this way. The head ofthe Hebrew Union College, Crash, is
a plane that he's piloting on shoppistsmorning when every Jews should be in show
here in Kreasata. I mean,it's beyond comprehension. They have a graduation

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and some American author gives a speechto the graduates that all Jews should intermarry
and displayed all over the world.And by the way, their presidents.
And there was no president already.He killed himself in the crash, but
the past president the islands and defendedthe speaker. It's beyond comprehension. The

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conservative movement today is one step awayfrom permitting celebrating into marriage. They came
up with a celebration. You callthe the jew the man who's Jewish furnaliyah
and up comes with him the guyhe's about to marry, or vice versa

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in the temple. And this hasofficial approvement. So I wouldn't even use
the word light. Why do youhave two institutions? It's very simple.
Why do we have so many shoes? Once you have an organization of building
a minion, it's high. Nosay about smooth. So it continues.

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No one wants to go out ofbusiness. We're we're gonna by Robber.
But you know, you remind me. I think this is a true story
that I heard, is that someI guess it was a reform Roundber was
driving on Schabis and he was speeding. So the police officer stopsman. He
goes, why are you speeding?Goes, I have to get to synagogue.
So he goes, you're not supposedto be driving on schabis, and
he wrote him a ticket. Truestory, Robbert, I can tell you

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a true story from the coast atthe balco Ra or Rama. He had
to be a Rama's graduate. ButI'm not criticizing Ramas. We have attle
from every your sheep. Anyway,he was the balco Ra in a big
kabat shoe there and there's not aminion Shama shoppist. The rabbit told me
whenever he succeeds, he loses,he makes a fimily from they move away,
either to Brooklyn from LA from theLA it's actually beyond the LA area,

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closer to Mexico. Either to Brooklynor they're going on a yacht.
So he was the balco Ray andhe's driving on shoppists. They pull him
over. He's speeding and the officerswrites out the ticket and asks him to
sign. He says it's shoppist,I can't sign, and he really meant
it. He drives to sit Templeor he drives to Synagone, but he

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will not write on shoppist. Thatwas his religion. And that's a true
story. Wow wow, it remindsme of and then we're gonna reminds me
of a true story of a Jewishgangster who belonged to Murder Incorporated. Who
are Schomer Schabas, didn't kill onSchabas, but killed the rest of the
week. And my question was didhe hold the robin with thom Zaman?
That was my question. Any probablyrobber Eric right that gangster came from Cleeveland.

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eighty one. And now here's yourhost. Welcome back to the program,
mom Zef Brenner. Albert Guess isa rap by historians and that celebrities telling
his life stories, probably Aaron mckevertRokoff. He's lectured on Jewish topics.
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close student of rob of Joseph Barslovachik. You know, the conservative movement has
changed in the United States, It'sbecome reformed. They are those that say
that open Orthodoxy is filling the voidwhat the conservative movement was or used to
be. Do you view that inthe same way that some people are looking
at open Orthodoxy today? I donot use the word open lukodoc see on

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what I've seen. Remember, Ilive in Israel, so we have our
own problems there, different quagmires andthe questions and challenges. But I only
call them neo conservative. I've heardsome of their pronouncements. I actually know
the rabbi who made a chefianu whenthe Supreme Court recognized same sex marriages.

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Now, you tell me how thatcan be justified if we are makbo oh
Mahutschamyam and the Torah and all that'swritten, and you make a chefianu over
Supreme Court decision that same sex marriages. But in fairness, Robert, that's

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not the movement that maybe one individualassociated with them. I wish that were
true. But just yesterday I metwith some of the younger rabbis and committhim
of mine who are now the leadersof the owe you why you created Tora
world, and I was told certainthings about why there was an eruption.

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Now and Rabbi well Pattern happens tobe, a dear student of mine has
left. I don't want to elaboratebecause I don't have the documents in front
of me, But I only hopewhat you say it's true. It's an
individual who doesn't represent the mainstream.But unfortunately so many different issues have come

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up bibical criticism. Could you imaginegoing back? I can tell you something
I knew both Muhamma Leguts and youshay your laghborhoos. I think you know
that they were East and West,Sun and Moon worlds. Upont I had
the privilege of teaching within the comeof the many decades, and I brought

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her into the kolel. I'm theone who brought her into brisk cool And
the only issue she told me inwhich she has her brother agree is that
the biblical criticism the wellhealth and typeis pure anti Semitism. It's to say
to the world, we gave thema I use the contemporary word phony documents,

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phony news, a phony Bible.So other students have come up suddenly
reviving biblical criticism. Then you havemore statements, and it goes on and
on each kind. Someone says,well, he's only an individual. Yeah,
he's only an individual. But Idon't see light with graduates. Why

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you graduates mekas a rather graduates frontof its graduates. I don't see so
many individuals making so many statements thatcause so much heartache to those of us
who believe in to me, butyou know something, We had a rabbit
on this program who is the musmokof Lake where he went to Murashiva.
He had an Orthodox shoal in theUpper West Side of Manhattan, and now

(34:15):
he's with the gay He's the postsake. They gave him a base marriage
for a farm. We had himon this broadcast and he's the post sake
for the gay synagogue in Manhattan.Bet to let me tell you something and
not the curress is born every day, And tell me, did you know
Rabbi doctor David Hartman, this waswhat did you read Washington? He was

(34:36):
my role model did I look upto him, who would dream where he
would be later in life? AndI have to tell you that I aunted
with him for perhaps forty good yearsin Israel. We remained friends. I
helped him with sources he would turnto me. I he sent up once
a Shlia to pick up the sourcesfrom him. But David Hartman, do

(35:02):
you know how one of his laterbooks, I think maybe the last one
written by students. You know whereit begins. I was rabbi in Montreal
and a kohen came to me andsaid, Rabbi, I'm getting married to
a convert. Would you perform thewedding? And Hartman and said, not
only when I performed the wedding.That tell all the Kohanim who are marrying

(35:24):
grishak and your rout I would performthe wedding. Personal happiness is more important
than the halacha. No where didHartman learn he also he's a Lakely graduate.
He only comes to why you afterwards. And but what I'm saying is,
yes, Lakewood, why you?We turned out tay in Berlin,

(35:46):
Tayra Vadas, I grew up inAmerica. I can give you names of
graduates and where they wound up,but these were met cho Nika. I'm
using her luckic terminology. Now whenit comes to Covie based crowd, it's

(36:07):
a mute if it's only amote,but it's a meatnyka, all right.
I don't want to say it's therogue. I hope not. I hope.
I think it's hard to generalize becausebecause some of them are the ones
that get the most publicity, arethe ones that you quoted like Robert Schmulyakolevitch
and others, they're they're they're really, they're really out with their own agenda.

(36:29):
But the average one, the rankand falled, I don't believe believes
in one of the things that arebeing said in the names of these individuals.
Just my personal belief. Well Ican tell you is that I'll be
weisby Weisl I know for decades askedme to speak there. This was back
a number of years, and Itold them I'll be asked me in fifty

(36:50):
years from now. I have tosee what happens at this moment in time.
I'm not prepared to give this sheerin COVID. Baktra and my feelings
are exactly the same, except nowgive me forty years. We don't have
to wait to see year of theyears. So here's the ear show though,
because this is a cutting edge towhich the OU and Yu has been
grappling with the role of women inthe Orthodox world. You saw the OU

(37:14):
came out with a statement about womenin leadership roles, and you know the
whole thing, that's what calvery tower. Do you call a rabba? You
got into a problem called moharat.They didn't have a problem. So how
do you see the role of women. It's changed over the course of time,
and how do you see that's inthe Orthodox community dealing with it.
This is an issue that I doubtthe time and again I published on it

(37:35):
to remember Right to Women's for thirtyone years and right now as we speak
in Israel, I don't know ifyou're wire that the gris Kohlil also runs
amid the Shia for women. Inother words, it's the same teachers who
teach both the husbands and the whites. And the teachers get don't do is
Israel rap by Deadman's rep Milla.So they hastened many times to teach.

(38:00):
And I'm older and I tell themI just don't have the energy to play
on more teaching. It's not thetwenty thirty forty years ago when they got
around the clock. This coming year, they're opening my class to women.
It's a going to be listed inthe Midrashia courses, and it'll be declared
a public lecture because we have There'llbe men in the class from the Kolel,

(38:25):
perhaps some women from the Midrashia,and then I have a lot of
outsiders who come in the world.People were abundan retired professors, retired,
some of them world famous. SoI'm well aware of the issue. I've
spoken about it many times. Iactually lectured for wonderful year in my own
I have two different classes in thecool El Sunday ShaSS and play schemshell Apinshire.

(38:46):
But Monday is the world of ourstock in history, and I have
not repeated a lecture since the Collobegan with a formal program in nineteen seventy
eight, which I also played abig role in engendering through mister Grice who
leaned upon me. But Hala calamisa, we can't put the women back in

(39:07):
the kitchen. Only I see myown granddaughters in law, all of them
graduates. The various upa not Isee my grandsons. It's a different world.
My grandsons know how to cook.Each one has a specialty. They
know how to bathe. They workhand in hand. The women all work.
My life is unhappy that women haveto work, that they can't be

(39:28):
full time with the children. Butthis is the reality. Now you have
women who want to become skilled medicalbaptists, the women who become world class
lawyers. So you'll have women whowant to be lum done a yet and
we have to encourage them. Thelaw they learned the better. Now,
what about a woman who wants toexpress herself. It has to be in

(39:50):
a halific fashion. A woman cannotbe a rabbi plus the pipe, the
rabbi and fly. She can doa wedding, she can do a get.
She can not the an aide,the kim dabba. It's not rudaba.
This is the vahashem zuhalaha. SoI view these women. I've come
out with this more than once.Everyone laughs at me, either a titled

(40:14):
to laugh. We have had somany standers in the rabbinic centrist, right
wingers, left wingers. I wouldasser officially any rabbi meeting with a woman
on an ongoing basis, to cancelhaa visa the divorce, to prepare of

(40:36):
the gatu shoes that are big.You'll have a woman on staff who is
I call it a rabbinic adviser anda spiritual adviser. The rabbis the rabbinic
advice, and you're gonna have awoman on staff who is the spiritual advice

(40:57):
Yoatsalaha. I think it's a fatJulius achievement. The first two were both
my students. And I'll tell youwhy more women observed parents today than ever
before, because they're very comfortable speakingto a woman, not to a man,
about these delicate feminine problems. AndI can tell you what Tommy dove

(41:22):
mine. I know her as asdemons. She zukerman Zuka birth today she
married a combat of mine. Herfirst name is Dna Tina Cone. Was
there a muz Brand study would meanMiklala Sadekiya soto Lum a medical doctor,
and she wrote an article in traditiondealing with the certain effect of cancer and

(41:46):
women in Mikva No love in theworld, good Doll said. The Goodlum
could have written an article like that, so I don't see any problem whatsoever
when I eat your home. Whoare my summahan? Your wife, she's
the post second, she's the Mashhia, the famous Chubber Rebmaisha with Chicago with

(42:09):
with Rebison Zemba taking over hashkaarector.Her husband died Kamel Kosha and where summit
were? You also know these manthe Renaissance, there were women who had
kabala and she thought dout they couldn'tdo gasa physically they can, but we

(42:30):
have documents showing so there's no problemwith allowing women to express themselves on a
spiritual level, but it has tobe within the context of hamaka. Let
me tell you a story that Ilaughed at and have a lot of naha
barakshiki Bandi. What about women speakingduring the dobunum, I have absolutely forbidden.

(42:53):
So in my son of Wahu andmy son were president of the shulready
many years ju shalim and he runsto shoe my children up there about Corey's
hasanim Bausatla. It's a beautiful shoewith a lot of famous people. Dobin

(43:14):
dance. He had the Supreme Court, those that dot and many doctors from
Shara exetic. So a lady startedin she wants to speak. So my
son Will asked me, how doI feel about her speaking right after governing?
So I told him, all right, maybe it's different than speaking during

(43:36):
governing, but aim dot tem oja, what you have to do is break
up the Kiddish and twenty minutes laterreassembled. That's what I told my son.
By the way, the shoe voteis at ninety nine to one.
They don't want women speaking to officerthis morning. There's a lot of people
they're you know, old kind frompeople know, despite the fact they're in

(43:58):
the Supreme Court and the and wealthybusinesspeople and bankers, but the Yiddish kite
is what their father and grandfather practiced. Fine. About a year ago,
there's an interview with sd Liftenstein,Ra Barron's daughter s d Rosenberg of it.
I know it's SD Liftenstein. Isaw STI grow up. You all
know. She heads up a seminaryin Mikdalo's. She's she's a rat.

(44:24):
I'll call up and father said,follows in her family's traditions. So they
asked her, how do you feelabout a woman speaking during governing? She
said no, no, that thatwould interfere with the concept of dovining and
separation of sexes and all that.The rubb explained why we need him with

(44:45):
Sizza, but she said after dobbiningfine, But she said, my father
didn't agree with me, and shecalled for a barren. She asked him
and he said, after dovining youbreak, you may kiddish. Maybe twenty
minutes later you'd come back and thewoman can speak. Oh I saw I

(45:07):
saw that interview in the curry shown. I was walking on the ceiling with
joy Borashekivanti on a listening zacd subbecRock. But you know something, you
know the fact that the woman wouldspeak at Ollenshaw. May it not have
been the norm twenty some years agogoing to Alaka was certainly out of anybody's

(45:28):
vocabulary. But times are changed.So today you may have a woman speak
at the after the kiddish. Butas things progress, you're probably going to
see that's going to change over thecourse of time as well. I don't
believe that would change. I thinkat a time of dobbining, go why
didn't you go into Borough Flickman's workon the sanctity of the synagogue, where

(45:49):
the rough testifying why we need separationduring prayer, and basically if she speaks
right after the dobtin, there's aton of gun men. A woman is
a woman, a man is aman. I don't want to be alive
when that is not true, oryou and I wouldn't be here. It's

(46:09):
an open commerans and had been anumb I don't have to elaborate breashem.
There's the feminine mystique that attracts themale species out ton. But all right,
but you know I'm saying things arechanging. In fact, a lot
of Orthodox Sheuls are grapping with transgender. In fact, Uber Hirschwine Reb and

(46:31):
Rubber Aaron Glat have spoken about thehalachos, the Jewish law, dealing with
how synagogues Orthodox Jewels have to dealwith transgender, where they sit, what
they wear, et cetera. Thisis a whole new thing which I don't
think was dealt with in times goneby. All of halas of Muddin times
was not dealt with times come by. We now have the mobiles that take

(46:53):
you to Hulan. Shap issips areintapable of walking, so we now have
a micro phones. You know thatso much microphone is very different than the
microphone that existed in the nineteen fortiesand nineteen fifties when there was the big
muck waked whether or not you canuse a microphone. You have rubbed leaving.

(47:15):
He was a brother in law toSimka Khalidi the Sacristcord. He was
a brother law and rabb by NathanDrayson and by zeb Rason, and he
was matre microphone. He contacted whetherthe waves. He has all diagrams in
his sugar and the rubb asset.That was the first thing, the rubb
But today it's a different microphone altogether. So the postal will take care of

(47:39):
it all I can care. Hewas. I've been teaching Tora biz Rat
Sham. In a few weeks time, I start my sixtieth year of teaching
Tora. And I've had some problemswith gays, but I can think of
four cases, and I can tellyou three and I have were helped by

(48:00):
therapy three and my reparative therapy therapythat helped them overcome their gay tendencies.
They married and raised families were coveredwith sell. Because there was a group
called Jonah, a New Jersey thatwas bigg into reparative therapy. Beware that
it made is really present and theywere put out of business, and they

(48:21):
claim that it doesn't work. Andthere was a whole study. I can
tell you aid that the mana thatI saw it work before my eyes.
I understand all statistics show do theresearch that not more than two percent of
the animal kingdom and the human kingdomare going with these type of tendencies.

(48:44):
It's a challenge to be overcome.But nowadays you have I don't know what
percent that you're coming out of thecloset. Many for sociological reasons. It's
easier economic reasons, mental reasons,psychological reasons. And if we take a
lenient attitude where Missieli day are veryupshoot, don't kamshmah oh. And I

(49:07):
saw people helped the fourth case,I'm not certain. Pause after his life
divorced him. He did not remarried, so I don't know, but I
do know he helped someone who hadgay tendencies get married. I remember Rabbi
Sheinberg. He was an avay lookedand Rafuchs Sheinberg. We know him as

(49:30):
the bout it sits it the rubbermother stuff. He told him you have
to go to the wedding. You'remore than a father to him because you
enabled him to go further, takethe step and get married. But my
town himself never remarried, never veryreal, remained very very close into today.
It's a family that I was hada great influence on in nineteen seventy

(49:54):
and ultimately every one of the familycame in Aliyah and I'd only go further
fact, classic story. If youknow the literature why people are gay,
he was a classic example. Andall female overbearing families, the youngest,
et cetera, et ceter At times, Okay, I don't want to be

(50:15):
well, I'm fortunately out of time. I want to thank you for by
Aaron mccovert Rukoff, noted scholar oflecturer, rabbi, historian, Internet celebrity.
You're going to be speaking, Ibelieve in queens this weekend, correct
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I'm gonna deal with in destiny whippingto Binyon Rabbi Shalovechick on personal and national
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