FULL SHOW: Is there a secret in the Epstein case? Trump could be playing the Dems.

Democrats continue to highlight alleged connections between President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, raising questions about the nature and extent of their relationship. Meanwhile, Zohran Mamdani met with NYPD Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch to discuss the potential of her staying on as his administration begins in January 2026. Mark interviews journalist Liz Peek. Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani is expected to meet with President Trump soon to discuss the future of NYC - a conversation that could help ease tensions between them. There is speculation about whether Governor Kathy Hochul will lose a reelection bid due to pressure from Mamdani's progressive policies. Over 50,000 candidates have applied to join the Mamdani administration, highlighting the intense competition for these positions. Meanwhile, questions remain about the feasibility of Zohran’s proposed free bus plan, as financial constraints could undermine its success. Additionally, Zohran’s tendency for double-talk may lead to misunderstandings among the public. Mark interviews author Mark Malkoff. Mark shares his experiences visiting Carson’s hometown and discusses his book, “Love Johnny Carson.” He reveals behind-the-scenes insights into what made Carson one of television’s greatest stars.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fly from Midtown Manhattan. Here comes the Mark Simone Show
on seven.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
On Oh it's cold out there. We'll get to Johnny
Carson coming up. We'll get to Epstein, We'll get to
Bill Ackman, We'll get to we'll give you all the
latest on Mom Donnie, everything you need to know, where
there is to know right now. We'll get to Hunter Biden.
We'll get to affordability and a whole lot more. Lots
to talk about today, A freezing cold. This is the

(00:30):
first well we had one last week, but this is
another one of those winter days today. So I come
into our beautiful, magnificent iHeart headquarters, which is floor after
floor after floor after floor of studio's office. But on
our sixth floor here, the first thing I see is
that Christmas tree. Why is there a Christmas tree? It's

(00:51):
not even Thanksgiving yet. It's not just here. They're all
over the place, these Christmas trees. It's starting earlier and
earlier and earlier, and it's gotta stop. It's got to stop.
I told you last week about that condominium place in
Florida where they made residents take down the Christmas decorations,
told them they're not allowed to put them up till

(01:12):
after Thanksgiving. Their rule is one holiday at a time,
and it makes sense. So President Trump, let me just
explain this Epstein stuff. This has been going on for
quite a while now. Donald Trump has nothing to do
with Epstein. There's no Epstein connection with Donald Trump. There's
nothing there. But he has been brilliantly playing the Democrats,

(01:37):
letting them build it up and build it up. If
you're watching the Sunday shows, it was all about Trump Epstein,
Trump Epstein. He's letting this build and build and build
and build. So it'll end up when they're all released,
all these files, it'll be another example of Democrats totally
misleading the public, totally conning them about something. Now, the

(01:57):
Epstein situation is pretty simple. He made himself a lot
of money, showed up in Florida Palm Beach, and being
a zillionaire, suddenly started hanging out at mar A Lago
and there he was all over mar Alago. This is
back in the good old and they were talking twenty
something years ago, maybe twenty five years ago. And anytime
anybody with a lot of money starts spending it at

(02:22):
mar A Lago and throwing parties there or back when
Trump owned the plaza, if somebody spent a fortune throwing
an incredible gallot in the ballroom, Trump would always show up.
And you'll notice even now if you follow all this
stuff on Instagram, when there's a big, big wedding or
an event at Mar A Lago where they rent the ballroom,
Trump will show up. He'll show up and wander through

(02:42):
the crowd tail ever. So that's how he met Epstein,
That's how I got to know him. Epstein had lots
of women and fun and celebrities, so Trump started hanging
out with him whenever he was at Mar A Lago
or there'd be a party in there. It was just
at parties, nothing else. A couple of times Epstein came
up to Trump's office showing off to some women that
he could bring him up there. Not underage, not under age,

(03:02):
perfectly appropriate, age appropriate women. And that was the relationship. Well,
then a couple of things happened at mar A Lago.
Epstein started hiring some people away from mar Alago mar
A Lago's staff members, so Trump told him to cut
it out, and he didn't. Also, at one point, Epstein

(03:23):
went after I think she was fifteen, a girl that
worked in the locker room. It was actually the daughter
of a member. It got back to Trump, and Trump
immediately banned Epstein from mar Alago. This is twenty something
years ago. Banned him. It's actually twenty four, twenty one
years ago. Banned him from mar Alago forever, never spoke
to him again, cut off all ties with the guy. Now,

(03:45):
as far as these young young girls, that was Epstein's preference,
that's what Epstein liked, these young young girls. So it
was him. There's rumor that Prince Andrew also liked that
and got involved. But all these people hanging around with Epstein,
it wasn't about young girls for them. They were not pedophiles.
That was Epstein. But if you went to and I
was at a few Epstein things, if you went to

(04:06):
Epstein's parties, there were women all over the place, but
all ages, all ages, not young girls. He had a
lot of his young girls working for him as Massuse's
and if you go to the party, they'd be checking
the coats and that kind of stuff. But Trump has
no worries at all about Epstein. It's going to be
nothing in those files that's going to bother Trump. And
he knows that so that's why he's been stringing Democrats along.

(04:30):
He's now last night called for Republican release all the files,
and at some point you'll see it. All, all the
files will come out.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
The problem is, this is the only problem Trump might have.
There might be some big, big donors of his, the
friends of his, that are in the files, but if
it's in the files, it's not going to be young girls.
It's going to be them at these parties, maybe cheating
on their wife, that sort of stuff. That's like a
Bill Gates kind of situation. One has already come out.
Larry Summers, Treasury Secretary to Bill Clinton, President of Harvard,

(05:01):
very prestigious guy, a very married guy. But he was
carrying on with women, not young girls, older women. And
the emails have already emerged from the Epstein estate. They
found the emails where Larry Summers is and I don't
know why you would put this in writing, but these
guys put it in writing. He's emailing back and forth

(05:22):
about this woman that woman, and she won't see him anymore,
and they're talking about they're talking about his dating life,
and he's turning to Epstein for advice on how to
get this woman back. This is a married guy, So
that kind of stuff will come out. That's the worst
of it. But nobody Trump's has no Epstein problem at all.
Once it's all released, you'll see that one of the

(05:43):
people at Epstein hired away from Marlago was this infamous woman,
Virginia Giuffrey, who worked at mar A Lago in the Spa.
It was Gallaine Maxwell that recruited her way into Epstein world.
She eventually killed. She committed suicide not that long ago.

(06:05):
But she did a million interviews with law enforcement, US Attorney, FBI,
all that sort of stuff, and she wrote a book
and in all the interviews and in the books, she
made it clear nothing ever happened with Donald Trump. In fact,
she said he was a very nice man and always
a total gentleman with her. And remember she had worked
for him too. So the US Attorney here in New York,

(06:27):
good guy Jay Clayton, he's been told to oversee an
investigation and to look into Democrats because a lot of
Democrats are going to have a problem. Now you know
who was really tangled up with Epstein or the banks.
Nothing to do with sex, but JP Morgan, Chase and
these other banks were really really close with Epstein, working

(06:47):
hard with him. The reason they did that Epstein had
billions of dollars that he was working with and he
had to put it somewhere, so they wanted it in
their bank because they can make a fortune having his
billions in their banks. So JP Morgan chasing. The other
banks were very nice to Epstein, and these are the
same banks that d banked Donald Trump threw him out,

(07:10):
refused to take his business. And if you're a major corporation,
you can't exist without banks. You have to have banks
for everything. So that was just disgusting the way they
d banked. It wasn't just Trump, other conservative companies. So
they deserve everything they're getting with this Epstein stuff. Now,
who else will have a problem? A lot of celebrities,

(07:30):
George Stephanopolis will have a big problem, George Sloppadopolis, Katie Couric,
These are some of the celebrities that were at Epstein's
house having dinner with them. You know, when you see
the ABC Sunday Morning Show this week make a big
deal out of Epstein, they failed to mention George Stepanopolos
at Epstein's house having dinner with him. Now when asked

(07:51):
about it. Stephanopoulois gives you this ridiculous explanation. I didn't
know who he was. I had no idea who he was.
I had no idea who he was. I should have
done my due diligence. Is Stephanopoulos's quote, Well, the guy's
a news broadcaster, host of a news show, supposedly a

(08:12):
journalist and a newsman. They didn't know Jeffrey Epstein was. Now,
this is after Epstein was convicted of being a pedophile.
This was trafficking the minors for prostitution. Epstein was already
convicted and had gone to prison for it. George Stephanoppos,
But I had no idea he was. I should have
looked into it. Well, I knew who he was. You

(08:33):
probably knew who he was. You probably read about it,
the guy in Florida that got convicted. Of course, you
read about this guy's a professional newsman on a network,
claiming you didn't know about it. There is this clip
running around the internet right now of Katie Couric. She's
on with what's the Bravo guy's name, Andy Andy Cohen.
She's on the Bravo show, and good for Andy Cohney

(08:54):
said the hell were you doing at Jeffrey Epstein's house
having dinner with him? So she said, well, I didn't
know who he was. I probably shouldn't. Remember she was
the anchor of the CBS Evening News, that's one of
the top news jobs in the world. And she didn't
know who Jeffrey Epstein was. This is after he was
in prison, this is after he'd been convicted, after he

(09:15):
went to jail. I didn't know who he was. I
guess I should have invested. First of all, who goes
to anybody's house and you don't know who they are?
Have you ever been to a house had had dinner
with somebody and when you're leaving, who is it?

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I have no idea who the guy is. I just say,
you having dinner in his house? Yeah, I don't know
who he is. Even if somehow you were that stupid,
that ignorant that you didn't know who he was after
spending the evening at his house, wouldn't you then have
some idea who he was? So Katie Kirk didn't. I
should have checked. Now she uses the excuse that Prince

(09:51):
Andrew was going to be at the dinner and that
Megan Markle and Prince Harry were going to become a big,
big story, was a big Royal waves. She said, I
felt I should get to know Prince Andrew. He could
help me get the exclusive. It doesn't work that way.
You just you don't need to go to somebody's house
and you can start working the story without that. So

(10:14):
a lot of people like Stephanopoulos, Katie Kirk are going
to have a big, big Epstein problem. You know, there's
a woman in Congress, Stacey Plasket, She's a Democrat. Now
there's a lot of files being released from the Epstein estate,
and this Epstein would text like crazy with people. But

(10:34):
apparently this Democrat congresswoman is texting back and forth with Epstein.
And it's during the hearings. You remember they had hearings
on Trump. Was it Michael Cohen or something? It was
Michael Cohen. There were these hearings going on and they're
asking questions, you know, they take turns each congress person
on the committee. Well, they're about to come to the
Stacey Plasket and in the during the hearings, she's texting Epstein,

(10:59):
who's watching it live on TV? What should I ask him?
You've been watching the testimony. What did they leave out?
What should I? And Epstein is texting her questions to
ask and at one point the witness is talking and
he mentions Rona. So this dumb congresswoman texts Epstein is
what's Rona? Is that an acronym for something? And Epstein

(11:20):
text back, No, that's Rona, his assistant, his chief of staff,
and he said, Rona is the keeper of the secrets.
Dig into Rona. This is this congress woman during the hearings,
contexting with Epstein. So these democrats were very, very very
close to Epstein. Rona, by the way, is Rona graft
Who's the nicest woman, the most decent, honest. There was

(11:43):
nothing bad there, So I don't know what Epstein was
talking about. And the other thing, if you start reading
through the emails, Epstein had nothing to do with Trump
after two thousand and four, nothing, no connect for twenty years.
He didn't know Trump at all, but a lot of
these people think he still did. So you see these
very very powerful, big people are texting and emailing Epstein

(12:04):
right up until the end during the first Trump term.
I'm going to Washington to meet with the present. What
should I say or a meeting with this official in
the White House, and Epstein is texting back as if
he's connected to Trump, which he wasn't at that point,
giving advice, well he likes this, he doesn't like this,
or don't see Jared, make sure you see this person.

(12:25):
Epstein didn't know anything. He was just conning these people
like crazy. Now here's another important point to remember. The
Biden administration had these Epstein files for four years. The
Biden administration looked through, carefully inspected everything in the Epstein
files for four years. They couldn't find anything that would

(12:47):
hurt Trump. They were looking for it because they wanted
to hurt Trump. They wanted to arrest him, prosecute him,
do whatever they could to stop him. They looked through
the files. They couldn't find anything in there that would
That's why you never heard about the Epstein files for
the whole four years of Biden. There was nothing in
there that hurt Trump. And this is the way this

(13:08):
all works. Look at these democrats yelling and screaming, the
demanding we must see the Epstein files. Well, how come
you didn't say word for four years? How come you
didn't want to see him? In twenty twenty four. Why
didn't want to see him in twenty twenty three? How
come in twenty twenty two you never asked to see him?
Twenty twenty one, you never mentioned it. It's the same

(13:29):
thing with the media. You know, you hear about this
is the affordability crisis. Affordability crisis. Inflation under Biden hit
nine percent, It averaged five percent, but it hit nine percent.
None of these people, the same Democrats, the same media,
never mentioned affordability. It never came up for check for
four years, never mentioned it at nine percent. Now it's

(13:52):
two point five percent. That's all they can talk about,
the affordability crisis. Two point five percent. Try. Trump was
about Epstein last night.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
They're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the tremendous
success that we're having as a party.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah, Actually, the Epstein's stuff, you could also call
it operation change the subject. That's what it's all about.
It sounds good, it sounds but again Trump has been
setting them up and brilliantly. Hey, President Trump said he
will meet with Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie said he will
meet with Trump. Looks like the meeting will take place

(14:28):
in Washington, d C. We'll get into it in detail
a little later. Also, Mom Donnie has talked with Jessica
Tish again. They spoke over the weekend. Hopefully she'll stay.
The fire commissioners great guy, Robert Tucker, he has already
quit and left, but he's got a huge business he
can go back to, and I don't think he wants

(14:50):
anything to do with Mom Donnie. Jessica Tish will see
if she stays. Well, there's a lot of Mom Donnie stuff.
We'll get into it a little later. Lots to talk
about and we'll take some next. Eight hundred three two
one zero seven ten is the number eight hundred three
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Speaker 1 (15:09):
If you're listening to Mark on the iHeartRadio app, save
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the Mark Simone Show on wo r oh no.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
There's more of that Christmas stuff. Well, you gotta be honest.
We have to admit next week at Thanksgiving. Next week
is Thanksgiving. Anyway, Let's take some calls. Let's go to
uh D in Miami. D How you.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Doing, Hello, Yes, good morning, sure, Yes, I have a
question I'd like to ask you, sir, Go ahead, What
do you think will happen if Africa was cut off
is uranium export to the United States in the Western world.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, that could affect my iPhone battery. That would be something.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Would be terrible. That's what I think. I think the
African county A you're gonna start, you know, to do
because if this man going to continue in this spot, what.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Are we talking about Trump? Of course, sir, oh well.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
But also remember also remember for a minute, please no,
I also remember at the same time, it would be
the end of the African economy since that's what they
do for a living is sell us uranium and without
that they'd go broke pretty fast. So let's go to
Bob and newer Shelle. Bob, how you doing. Wait a minute, Bobby,

(16:27):
are there? Nope, we lost them. Let's uh, we got them.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm sorry. I know you're a big Blue Bloods fan.
My wife's got me watching and I got a bit.
It's a good show, and I understand that you have
to suspend reality to a certain degree for these kind
of shows. But what would you in your opinion, would
you say a more unrealistic one of the Reagans being
involved in the biggest case of the city every week,
or Danny Reagan have nothing but smoking hot partners and
his wife not having a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, these are very good questions. I love Blue Bloods.
I still watch it and reruns. Every Wednesday is a
blue Blood marathon. I'd love Blue Bloods. It's the most
unrealistic cop show ever. First of all, Len carry You
plays Tom Selick's father. These two guys are the same age.
There's like a one year age between these two guys.

(17:15):
Makes no sense at all. There's all kinds of technical
things like the police commissioner does not wear a uniform,
which Tom Sellick does at times in the show. Also,
Danny Reagan every week is involved in a massive gunfire,
massive shootout every week. I've asked three commissioners has there
ever been a cop that's in a shootout every week?

(17:38):
And they all said if there was, I'd pull him
off the street immediately. We'd never be able to do that. Also, well,
we could go on and on. It's very unrealistic, but
despite that, it's a great show. You know, Like, if
you want to go back and watch NYPD Blue, NYPD
Blue is probably the most realistic cop show. And I
started watching Boston Blue, the spin off with Danny Reagan.

(17:59):
I gotta admit it's pretty good. They it's it's very,
very different from Blue Bloods. They've kept a couple of
factors there, a couple of little things, but it's very
different and it's a great show. Let's go to Mike
and Florida.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Mike, how you doing, good morning, Mark, Yes, Mike, I
was laughing when you were talking about that Florida h
O Way that was putting up the that's crackdown on
the Christmas decorations. I live in one of these so
called active fifty five communities and it's either over just
over fifty five or active unless you consider majong a

(18:33):
contact sport. But they can't wait and put up those
stinking Christmas decorations. The irony is they're all asleep by
six o'clock that they don't even get to see the
lights lit up. And they're the most decrepit looking things
that they've been in the back of their garage. You
know that they lived in Michigan and they dragged down
here and I'm gonna put you know, and they're follow

(18:55):
liying like there's little kids around, and it's it's so
pathetic against Christmas. It's great, but it's the forced joy
is like ludicrous. You can't wait to put them up.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
There's a lot of pathetic things about Florida. The most
pathetic is when you people in Florida try to celebrate Christmas.
It doesn't look right. Palm trees and Christmas don't go together.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
No, not at all.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
It's eighty five degrees and if allow lie, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It doesn't work all right, Mike, thanks for calling. You know,
it's better to live in one of these condo communities
or something like that, because, uh, you know, everything's taken
care of. You've got your own house, you got to
find your own plumber, you got to find your own
people to fix it. It's so much easier in a condo,
one of those complexes, one of those communities. But then

(19:40):
you got the board. You know, it's always little old
ladies with nothing to do who go on this board
and then run around on patrol enforcing every little rule.
Let's go to Dave in Chicago.

Speaker 8 (19:51):
Dave, how you doing, good morning, Mark, I'm joining very well,
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Mark.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
I'm just beginning to read Love Johnny Carson by Mark Malcolm.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh, it's the definitive book on Johnny Carson. It's the
greatest book ever in Johnny Carson just came out. We'll
have the author on in the next hour. Go ahead,
thank you.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
I noticed you've been quoted numerous times in the book.
I flipped through it quickly. But I have a question,
if I may. It says you had said that the
Midwest is very important to the Tonight Show and that's
what Johnny believes. Could you please explain? And lastly, Mark,
my second question is did Johnny's guest hosts follow that policy?

Speaker 7 (20:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
A couple of things about the Midwest. One a great analyst,
show business analyst showed that all the great talk show
hosts were from the Midwest, Johnny Carson, David Letterman, all
these sorts. You could go down the whole list. But
the guests, we're all from New York. All the great

(20:55):
comedians are from Brooklyn or you know, New Jersey, or
they were all local New York. But in their own
city they couldn't be the host. It was always the Midwesterner.
They had to be the host of the show. And
Johnny Carson, one of the valuable lessons he taught people,
he told me about this. He always taught this lesson
the battle is won in the Central time zone. It's

(21:17):
a very important rule. Don't try to appeal to like
elite New York or La or Beverly Hills. Always try
to appeal to the middle. And hey, we don't have
much time, but let's go to Vincent in Brooklyn. Vincent,
how you doing.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
I'm doing good, mak good morning matter Mark. I hope
us Jessicatish does not take the job with Zora Mundani
finish out her term. She's doing a great job. She
does have a business to go back to. And let
Zora Mandani's diz that were on his political posts. He

(21:52):
just had his first name, zorn. Well, let the letter
z become the new scholet letter. Let him hang by
his own pitad. And another thing, Kathy Hkle is thinking
about flip flopping on the corporate taxes so Mandamie could
have his free daycare. Don't do it, stupid, Hoco. You

(22:13):
could attract Jersey business to New York. They're paying eleven
point nine, we're charging seven point nine. If she had
any sense of any brains in her head, she could
use that as a selling point to draw the corporate
headquary brains.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's backbones. She has no backbone. She's afraid of getting primary.

Speaker 9 (22:36):
Well, that's what Michael Goodwin's article talked about. She doesn't
have any backbone. But please, mistache, do not take the job.
Let it go to Let let disease for Zoran become
the new Scarlet letter. You like Trump business, when you plan,
you come back and then you could wipe the floor

(22:57):
with him.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
All right, Vincent, great call, Hey, when we come back.
Michael Goodman's not here this week, but we'll talk to
the brilliant calumnist Liz Peak. We'll talk about Mom Donnie
and hoakl and all that next on seven to ten WR.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He's more Mark, He's so Mark Simone show on SEVENTENR.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well Liz Peak brilliant column list, you know, besides her column,
besides all the TV. You can also check out her websites.
One of the best news sites with all sorts of
great stories every day. Lizpeak dot com, lizpeak dot com.
Check it out, Liz Peak.

Speaker 10 (23:33):
How you doing, good morning, I'm terrific. Thank you. How
about you?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm good. Let's see President Trump says he will meet
with Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie says he'll go to Washington
meet with him. How do you think that would go.

Speaker 11 (23:48):
Look, I think that's actually a good idea on both
of their parts.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
To have New York City basically.

Speaker 11 (23:54):
Be orphaned or estranged from the mothership, the federal mothership doesn't.

Speaker 10 (23:59):
Really help anybody, right.

Speaker 11 (24:02):
I can't imagine that mom, Donnie and Donald Trump will
have much in common or much common ground, let's put
it that way.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
But I think it's a good idea.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
And look, it's one of the first things that this
radical thirty four year old anti Semite has said. That
makes them sound like a slightly normal person. So that's
very welcome.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Right, Yeah, they do have something in common. They're both
were these outsiders who came in and just crushed these
political dynasties and beat them. Do you think you know
Trump could be good one on one sometimes?

Speaker 10 (24:38):
Yes he can, Yes he can.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
But Mark, yes, I've seen this idea before that they
have in common that they're outsiders.

Speaker 10 (24:45):
Let's remember that Donald.

Speaker 11 (24:46):
Trump had decades of actual work experience, actually built things,
created wealth, and in the process, let's face that, worked
with a lot of city governments and municips and state
governments in trying to get various projects underway, get them completed,
et cetera. Mam Donnie has zero experience of any value whatsoever.

(25:11):
All he has is a big smile and you know,
a resume as a community activist.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I don't put.

Speaker 10 (25:18):
Them in the same boat at all.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, you know, no, it sounds perfect. You know, there's
a lot of other mom Donni's out there getting ready
to go. And there's a couple of other cities where
they got a Mom Donnie type, somebody with no work experience,
lives in their parents' basement running and Bill Mahra so
a Friday night, is warning the Democrats stop with this stuff.
But where are the elder Democrats, the party elders, where

(25:42):
are they on this?

Speaker 10 (25:43):
It's it's astounding, isn't it. You know.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
We had Julian Epstein on the Democrats strategists this morning
on Mornings with Maria and as he said, Trump occupies
the middle. Now that's what that's what's making Democrats crazy.
That is why they have gone so far to the left.
And I've said this for months.

Speaker 12 (26:03):
I mean, if Trump is in the middle on.

Speaker 11 (26:07):
Taxes, regulation, energy policy, immigration, gender issues, et.

Speaker 12 (26:12):
Cetera, where does that leave the Democrats?

Speaker 11 (26:15):
It either leaves them basically working with Trump, which they
refuse to do because they've conjured up such hatred of
this president that they cannot be seen as.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
Collaborators, if you will, Or.

Speaker 11 (26:28):
It drives some extreme left policies, which again, and that's
what I've stein said too. It may work in New York,
it may work in Seattle or San Francisco, They're not
going to work in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, these states where Frankly,
house seats are up for grabs in purple districts. I mean,

(26:51):
are they really in those parts of the country, Are
they going to want to elect a socialist?

Speaker 10 (26:55):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah. Even in Kathy Hokel, she'said, you'd assume she's the
middle of the road type, and she's the governor that's
bigger than the mayor. How does she get so intimidated
by this Ma'm donnie that she seems to want to
go along with his nonsense.

Speaker 10 (27:12):
It's it's just it's not just Kathy Hokeel.

Speaker 11 (27:15):
It's every New York Democrat right now is being primaried
by someone on the left, and that includes Kathy Hochele,
her lieutenant Governor Antonio Delgado, who no one's ever heard of.
May end up giving her a real fight because Mam
Donnie likes him. They've you know, they've been campaigning together,

(27:36):
and he's far left, like Mam Donnie. Kathy Hochel is
in a terrible position because idiotically she gave von Donnie
her endorsement, so she basically alienated all moderate Democrats in
her party. And now if she basically says, well, I
endorsed him, but I'm not going to really go along
with any of.

Speaker 12 (27:55):
His program, what does that make her out to be?

Speaker 10 (27:58):
What makes her out to.

Speaker 11 (27:59):
Be a completely insincere political animal, which is exactly what
she is, So she will blow with the wind.

Speaker 10 (28:08):
She is a terrible governor, and.

Speaker 12 (28:10):
Frankly, I think Eliephonic.

Speaker 11 (28:12):
Has a very good chance of beating her if she's
the candidate.

Speaker 12 (28:16):
I'm not sure she will be the candidate, but we'll see.

Speaker 10 (28:18):
I mean, she doesn't.

Speaker 11 (28:21):
Have a backbone mark and right now you need some
senior Democrats with backbones who are moderates, who can call
out a socialist for being bad for the.

Speaker 12 (28:30):
Country, frankly, like Bill Maher's doing.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
I mean, who would have funk it.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
He's the guy that's saying to a pretty big audience,
socialism doesn't work.

Speaker 13 (28:39):
This is what he just said over the.

Speaker 11 (28:40):
Weekend, I guess or Friday. Socialism doesn't work. It has
failed every place that's been tried. Look at Venezuela, formerly
one of the richest countries on Earth, now one of
the poorest in South America. You know, just common sense, folks,
and history things that apparently are not in great support
on the left.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Right. Now, Hey, Liz Pick, if you're watching the Sunday shows,
oh you hear about is this affordability crisis? What an
affordability crisis? How come during Biden when inflation was nine percent,
never heard a word about this affordability crisis? Why? Now?

Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yeah, it's rich, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
I think Democrats fastened on this only after Mom Donnie
did so kudos to him for giving them sort of
a lifeline here. And yeah, things are expensive, mainly because
they went up eighty seven percent of the increase in
prices over the last five years came under Joe Biden.
And yet to your point, that was mostly ignored by

(29:37):
the mainstream media.

Speaker 10 (29:39):
But it is pretty rich.

Speaker 11 (29:40):
Because if you look at the top ten cities in
terms of cost of living. They are all run and
have been run for decades by Democrats. Democrats brand mark
is high cost, high taxes, high regulatory burdens, high union
labor costs.

Speaker 10 (29:58):
You name it.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
They are imposing enormously high costs on the general public
and have for a decade or more. And then you
add on to this layer of green energy, which.

Speaker 12 (30:10):
Is also expensive, and you know, you have a.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
Recipe for extremely inflated cost of living and to try
and tag that on Republicans where we are talking lower taxes,
lower regulation, fewer impediments to building, which by the way,
means better building costs because time.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
Is money and construction.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
You know, it is just astounding that they have been
able to hijack this issue.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
We can't let that stand.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Very good point. Yeah, the affordability crisis seems to only
be taking place in blue cities and states. So yeah, well, yes,
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Free subscription went how often? See I'm an affordability issue
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Speaker 10 (31:20):
With us, Thank you, Mark for having me. Always just
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(32:05):
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Speaker 1 (32:26):
Wo Let's get back to the Mark Simone Show on WOR.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
We'll get to Johnny Carson a little later this hour,
we'll get to Bill Ackman, Mom, Donnie Well. He spoke
with Jessica Tish again over the weekend. I guess that's
a good sign that they're talking. Hopefully she stays. You
got right now. Eric Adams is away. He's been in Israel.

(32:56):
He had this terrible shooting, a police officer shot in Brooklyn.
Little crisis occurring. And the good news is you got
Randy Mastro as the first deputy mayor. He was Rudy
Giuliani's first deputy mayor. If you like the way that
Juliani administration ran, then you like Randy Mastro. And about
a year ago Eric Adams put him in charge of

(33:17):
city Hall. He's the first deputy mayor. So even with
Adams away, Randy Mastro ran to the hospital to be
with the officer and handle the situation. Police Commissioner Jessica
Tish is there. But when you got Mastro, things that are
under control. That's why things have been so good for
the past year. Now, what happens when Mamdani comes in, Well,

(33:39):
that first deputy mayor will be Dean Fulahan, who comes
from the Deblasio administration. He was Deblasio's chief of staff,
first deputy mayor in other words, first deputy mayor. So
it's going to look a lot like a Deblasio administration,
which was bad, but we got through it. We got
through it. We got through eight years of the Blasio.

(34:01):
We probably won't have to get through that much of
Mom Donnie. It probably is. I mean it's four years,
but it might. It could just be one year. You
might get a governor next year who removes him if
things aren't going well. Now, Donald Trump said he'll meet
with Mom. Donnie said New York is important. He'll meet
with him, He'll talk to him. Mom. Donnie was asked

(34:22):
about meeting with Trump.

Speaker 14 (34:23):
I look forward to having a conversation with President Trump
because it's one where I'll make clear if he wants
to work together to deliver on his campaign promises of
cheaper groceries or a lower cost of living. I am
there and I am ready to go. But if he
wants to talk about pursuing a campaign agenda that comes
to the expense of New Yorkers, that is something that
I will find.

Speaker 9 (34:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, so what will Trump do when he meets with him. Well,
maybe he'll get through to him on a couple of things. First,
the most important thing is crime. If you convince him,
he's got to get a real police commissioner and he's
got to really take care of crime. Mom Donnie has
said he doesn't want to hire five thousand more cops.
The problem is will he with with you know, withdraw

(35:03):
cops from a lot of situations not enforced certain things.
Then that's what t Blasio basically did. Things started to
get out of control. So that's a problem. But hopefully
Trump gets through to him on that kind of stuff. Now, personally, well,
they got some things in common. Mom Donnie was a

(35:23):
little trump like in his campaign and that he was
the total outsider up against these big political machines. And
Trump's case, he was up against the Clinton machine. Mom
Donnie was up against the Cuomo machine, and he defeated him.
So they got that and they've got something in common. Now.

(35:44):
Trump is good at winning people over in private. People
are always surprised in private what a nice man he is,
well how he relates to people. He's an incredibly good listener.
It's beyond listening. He looks at you, like with radar
and sonar and knows exactly what you're saying. And he's
really good at handling people. But generally the people he

(36:04):
handles are like him. They're big, successful business people. They're
CEOs or bank presidents, or they're substantial people. That's where
he does best. But he's also been good with the weirdo,
oddball kookie types, you know, Kim Jong un and others.
He was able to win him over and calm him down.

(36:25):
Zelenski got off to a bad start, but eventually he
developed a good relationship. So we'll see what he can
do with Mom Donnie if he can get through to him.
Mom Donnie is talking to Tish. He did a Sunday
show where he was asked about keeping her. Will she
stay in that office?

Speaker 14 (36:42):
I continue to be confident in my decision, but as
soon as there's a public announcement to be made, we'll
be sure.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Of does she say, I got to think about this.

Speaker 14 (36:49):
More of the conversation, frankly, had to do with what
it looks like to deliver that public safe.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Now, he is a genius at double talk. You know,
Kamala would do this word salad and was pretty obvious
you know what she was talking about, just like a
babbling yo yo. But mom, donnie, the double talk is
very good.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
What did he just say? He was asked her, are
you going to keep her? Did he give a yes
or no? Will she stay in that office?

Speaker 14 (37:14):
I continue to be confident in my decision.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
But okay, think of it.

Speaker 15 (37:17):
It.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I continue to be confident in my decision. What does
that mean I continue? You could just say, well, my
decision is to keep her, But he says I'm confident
in my decision. That adds an element to it. Then
he adds a third layer. I continue to be confident
in my decision. Now he just said three things without

(37:40):
saying anything. Will she stay in that office?

Speaker 14 (37:42):
I continue to be confident in my decision. But as
soon as there's a public announcement to be made, we'll
be Does she.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Say, as soon as there's a public announcement to be made,
we'll be sure to share it. Well, obviously, if it's
a public announcement, you'll share it. He was asked about Putin.
I don't know what Putin has to do anything.

Speaker 14 (38:00):
This is a city of international law, and being a
city of international law means looking to uphold international law,
and that means upholding the warrants from the International Criminal Court,
whether they're for Benjamin Netna or Vladimir Putin. I think
that that's critically important to showcase our values. And unlike
Donald Trump, I'm someone who looks to exist within the
confines of the laws that we have, so I will
look to exhaust every legal possibility, not to create my

(38:21):
own laws.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Now, I guess they're talking about arresting Putin if he
comes to town, or arresting thatt Ya who know, No,
he's again, this is all double tok.

Speaker 14 (38:28):
I believe this is a city of international law.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
First all, it's not. It's not a city of international law.
We don't use international law here. We don't even recognize
it here in New York City. And if he ever
tries this, he'll be taken to court and lose immediately.
It's a city of city, state and US law. We
don't acknowledge international law. By the way, that court that
put out the indictment against Nataneo is not recognized as

(38:50):
any sort of a legitimate court. It's the World Court
of whatever, but we don't even recognize it. So he's
absolutely wrong. He's threatened net Ya, who's supposed to come
here next year for that annual UN summit. He'll speak
at that as he always does, will ma'mdani attempt to
arrest him.

Speaker 14 (39:06):
We are a global city, But I also think what
New Yorkers are looking for is consistency in the way
in which we talk about our values and follow through
on them. And that's why I think these warrants from
the International Criminal Court they are worth fully exploring every
legal possibility to actually follow through on.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Again, the World Criminal Court not recognized by anybody, it's
just a joke. If he does come to New York,
President Trump has said he will have him escorted by
military federal troops FBI, he will protect him from being arrested.
Alan Dershwitz said he will stand by his side the
entire visit to New York and be his lawyer. What
about Trump setting in the National Guard and so.

Speaker 14 (39:40):
We will have a unified front myself, the Governor of
the Attorney General, in showcasing that any attempts to deploy
the National Guard here in New York City, it's not
an attack on an individual politician like myself.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's an attack on the city.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Now, a unified front. Think of this army, so we will.

Speaker 14 (39:55):
Have a unified front. Myself, the governor of the Attorney General.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
All right, now, myself, he's like a dumb kid, a
thirty four year old kid. The governor is a total
coward who runs and hides it the sign of any trouble.
The Attorney General is a slee's ball who's under indictment,
who may be in jail by the time this even
comes up. Let me see there a better arrest.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
I've said time and again this is a city of
international same thing.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well here he's on.

Speaker 14 (40:22):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, he wants to do these free buses. He has
no power to make the buses free. The Mayor of
New York has no control over the buses. It's all state.
It's the MTA that runs them. And Hochel has said
you can't make the buses free, can't take be a
massive loss of revenue, so he'd have to come up
with some other revenue.

Speaker 14 (40:43):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things, we
would embrace them by all means, because the most important
thing is funding these things. And I think with the
governor there's a clear alignment of the importance of delivering
on universal childcare and on affordability agenda. How the work
begins even before we've been sworn in on lining out when, how,

(41:04):
but we always know it's for who, which is New Yorkers.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
See, if you're not saying anything, if you're not going
to answer, if you're going to double talk, the secret
is to do it fast. If you said, well, I
I don't you know, it sounds like you're not answering.
But if you talk very quickly and you're not really answering,
and you said, well, it's a matter of how, when
and high, and if you took it a mile a
minute your salad, you know what you're talking about, even
if you don't. But we'll see this is not going

(41:30):
to be easy getting through mom, Donnie. But but we
got through Deblasio. It was pretty much the same thing.
Deblasio thought socialism was better. Deblasio same thing with the affordability.
But remember Deblasio's whole campaign was about two New York's.
There's two New York's, one for the rich, one for so.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
The only difference is Diplasio didn't really hate all those
rich people. In fact, he did them favor after whatever
they needed, he did.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
It for him.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
So I don't know about my I don't know if
he's that bribeable or that persuadable. But we'll see. He's
got a team in place. He's got a bunch of
people that are on the transition team. He has one
guy and the transition team just got caught with the
most horrible antisemitic remarks. But listen, that's no shock. This

(42:21):
is what you expect from these Mom Donnie people. You
got a little of that from the Doblasio team as well. Now,
another thing is this transition team of Mom Donnie's has
been raising money and apparently they're up to about a
million dollars already. They've raised about one million dollars now.
They say it's a smaller donations average donation is seventy

(42:42):
five dollars. But that's a lot of money. What do
they do with the transition money? Who knows? They pay
for themselves. They just spend it on themselves. It's kind
of ridiculous, but good for mom, Donnie. Yeah, the donation came.
The money came from seven thousand donors, averaging seventy three
dollars per donor. So the other people on he got

(43:06):
Elena Leopold, she's the director. The whole transition team is female.
I don't know what that means, but she's she's pretty bad.
They got Lena Kahan, who's co chair of the transition team.
She was a longtime Obama Biden person. She's known for

(43:27):
her tough anti trust stance, in other words, harassing businesses.
She has a history of going after major companies and
trying to bust them up anti trust. So that's not good.
The transition team says more than fifty thousand people five
zero fifty thousand candidates have applied to work for his administration.

(43:51):
They have one of those resume portals. They've gotten fifty
thousand applications. They'll be going through fifty thousand. Well, that's
way they got like six weeks to get to get
through this, and we'll see Bill Maher on Friday night begging,
begging Democrats to get away from this socialism, this nonsense.
Mars said, did you watch his victory speech. Well, if

(44:13):
you didn't see it, he said, don't worry, you're going
to see it in every attack ad for the next
two years. Republicans will be using that, Mam Donnie's speech
in every campaign ad against the Democrats. He said, Democratic
socialism is like a dating profile. Looks great until you
actually meet up in the real world. You know, Bernie Sanders,
his single pair of healthcare sounded great, but it totally

(44:36):
collapsed when you try it. He did it in Vermont.
It totally collapsed, Bernie AOC, Mam Donnie. They're not Democrats.
They'll be the first to tell you they're democratic socialists.
It's a different thing, and Democrats should stay the hell
away from it. Hunter Biden goes nuts on this podcast,
ranting and raving and yelling and screaming, he's really met me.

(45:00):
Miranda Devine wrote the definitive book about the laptop and
about the Big Guy and the Biden corruptions. He really
went after her. He called her ugly, hideous looking a whore.
This is Hunter Biden's worse. Obviously, she's a very fine
person and very attractive. You know, you can call people ugly,
but when they're making a living on television, people looking

(45:20):
at close ups of their face, I don't think nobody's
going to buy that they're so ugly. But it's a
good it's a compliment to Miranda that he couldn't find
anything wrong in the book to point out, he couldn't
be specific about anything she got wrong, and he couldn't
find any legitimate attack on her, so he had to
just go nuts. He also said Democrats need to turn

(45:42):
the temperature up. Turn the temperature up. How could they
get any angrier than they already are? How could they
get any matter? How could they yell and scream about
Trump anymore? How could they have more Trump Arrangement syndrome
than they have now? So yeah, socialism, listen, it's failed
everywhere trying socialism. That there'd be like betting on the

(46:03):
New York Jets to win. It's not a good idea.
It's never going to happen. Hey, Bill Ackman, the hedge
fund billionaire's a nice guy. Bill Ackman so he posted
something he's a little too busy on Twitter and all
that stuff. But he said, I hear from many young
men they find it difficult to meet young women in
a public setting. You know, younger younger people are so

(46:25):
busy on online meeting. You know, they go to online
dating apps and that's how they meet that. They have
no idea how you could meet somebody in person. So
he said, young men are always asking me they have
so much trouble meeting in person. I thought I would
share a few words that I used in my youth
to meet someone that I found compelling. So Ackman goes
on to say if he wanted to meet somebody, he
would walk up to her and say may I meet

(46:49):
you before engaging further in conversation. He says, I almost
never got to know it inevitably worked, He said, I
think the combination a proper grammar and politeness was the
key to its effectiveness. Give it a try, may I
meet you? Well? Well, the way this turned out, Ackman

(47:10):
has been ridiculed all weekend online. He's getting just tarred
and feathered online. In fact, all you see are may
I meet you memes, just ridiculing poor Bill Ackman. It's
actually he's got a good point there. May I meet you? Yeah,

(47:30):
I kind of get it. I mean he's got a
point there. But politeness, most guys aren't very polite or gentlemanly.
Just be very polite, proper grammar that can be very
I don't know if i'd go and would you say
that to somebody? He says. It's not just dating. He
uses it in business situations.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Let me go out in the hall and try this
to somebody. May I meet you?

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
It sounds pretty lame to me. It sounds very lame.
But Akman getting trashed all over the place for it. Hey,
we'll take some calls in a minute. We'll get to
Johnny Carson coming up, but we'll get to the phones next.
Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten is
the number. Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten,
mister New York.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
He's on the case the Mark Simone show on seven tenor.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Hey, we'll pick some calls. Eight hundred three to two
one zero seven ten is the number the Bill Ackman
pickup line, May I meet you?

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Jacqueline carl just said, if a guy walked up to
her and said that she'd think there was something wrong
with him and would run. So he's onto something with
the politeness and the good grammar. So maybe come up
with a variation of it. Excuse me, I'm sorry to interrupt.
May I just say hello? Still sounds lame. I don't

(48:51):
try something like that. Let's go to Paul in Beth Page. Paul,
how you doing.

Speaker 16 (48:57):
I'm doing great, mar good morning. I want to ask
you about Mondani with this free transit, with the buses
and stuff. Let's just say hypothetically, he tells Tish that
don't enforce it, like you enforced spitting in the subway.
Then he's getting his wish, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, you could do that right now. Half the people
don't pay the subway or the buses. Half the people
jump the turnstile or just get out and don't pay.
In drivers, they don't enforce that now, So the people
that want to ride for free or riding for free
free buses, it's just a gimmick. If you had a
major massive affordability crisis the bus prices, that's not going
to solve it, obviously. It's just a little gimmicky thing.

(49:37):
Let's go to Cheryl in Monmouth County. Cheryl, how you
doing good?

Speaker 17 (49:41):
Mark?

Speaker 12 (49:41):
How are you?

Speaker 13 (49:42):
I listened to you all the time, love you on
Kudlow and everything. I'm calling now let me that's.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
You a personal question. If you lived in Connecticut, you'd say,
I'm from this town, I'm from Westport, I'm from oh Okay, Danvery.
But New Jersey people they identify themselves by the county.
Why is that?

Speaker 9 (50:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Why don't they just say what town they're in?

Speaker 13 (50:05):
You know, I did it because I didn't want too
much information out.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
We think we're following him.

Speaker 13 (50:11):
No, no, no, no, no, whatever, it's not it's not
important anyway. This is what is important, and I feel
passionate about it. And I thought, gee, maybe I'm sitting
in my car and I'm listening to you and I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Let me do it.

Speaker 13 (50:25):
Okayya, this I'm Dami. We're going to talk about all
the things that he's saying that are so anti American.
And the thing is, I did a research and from
my education, I remember a lot and I attempted to

(50:47):
notify a leaf Stephonic and President Trump. Now I'm calling you,
and I know you're connected.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
I know.

Speaker 13 (50:56):
What's the point okay nineteen n I'm the.

Speaker 8 (51:02):
M Goldman.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
We got to tell me the point. Tell me the point.
What's the point.

Speaker 13 (51:07):
The point is there's precedent for deporting him.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Well, there is a committee working on that. They're going
over his application.

Speaker 13 (51:16):
Listen, Eisenhower nineteen We understand all this.

Speaker 14 (51:19):
You can.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
You can deport all the people you want. Yeah. Eisenhower
ran Operation Wetback. They use buses, planes, trains. They deported
about a million people in a year. But they are
looking at mom, Donnie, if you lied in any way
on his citizenship application, his visa, anything, and there's a
couple of people looking at that looking to get him
revoke his citizenship. That's possible. They're also looking at foreign

(51:42):
campaign donations. They keep saying they're looking. So far, they've
come up with nothing and it's getting a little late,
but they're looking at that. If they can find he
accepted foreign money knowingly, they can still remove him. Believe
it or not. Let's go to Chipper and Stony Point. Chipper,
how you.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
Doing, I Mark?

Speaker 4 (52:00):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (52:03):
Every I just got I just like to know your
three secrets.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Oh you can't pick three favorite that's impossibly recorded.

Speaker 10 (52:14):
No, you can't.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
He couldn't do it. You know, when I used to
do the Sinatra Show, every great singer in the world
was a guest, and I asked everyone to pick their
favorite Sinatra song and never got the same answer twice.
There's a million. His two best albums we Small Hours
of the Morning. I don't have favorites, but his two
best albums we Small Hours of the Morning and Only

(52:36):
the Lonely. Those are the two. If you got to
start somewhere, start with those two albums, right and h obviously,
I mean it's incredible body work. One hundred albums recorded,
fourteen hundred songs. That's not the most albums, by the way.
The most elefant Cheryl one hundred and sixty six albums,
but the all time record was Bing Crosby two hundred

(52:58):
albums over his career. Let's go to Richard in Bay Shore. Richard.
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Mark.

Speaker 15 (53:06):
You know, Kansas City had free buses, but now they've
gone back to charging fares, and the bus drivers were
all for it, because unless you're like thirty, some out
of them were assaulted when they had a fair.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
It almost never happened.

Speaker 16 (53:20):
They had to hire.

Speaker 15 (53:21):
Guards in Kansas City, and then they had to hire
armed guards, which costs them millions of dollars. So the
whole thing, you know, and obviously, yes, the homeless, the drunks,
the druggies, they used the bus as as their hangout.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, we know it doesn't work. It never works. It's
never worked anywhere. That's free stuff and affordability crisis. There
is one. It seems to only be in the Blue
cities where they have this affordability crisis. But one of
the reasons it's so expensive to live in New York.
It's like the greatest city in the world. It's really expensive.
You know, if you go to Westchester, you know Scarsdale. Oh,

(53:59):
it's really expensive over but you ever see what it
looks like. It's beautiful Mount Vernon not so expensive, but
you see what it looks like. It doesn't look like Scarsdale.
It's you have that everywhere. Go to that coffee shop
on the corner, not that expensive, but they walk a
block away and go into Tiffany's. Wooh, there's an affordability

(54:19):
crisis in there. But that's because it's good stuff. Hey,
when we come back, we'll get to Johnny Carson. The
Ultimate Definitive Book on Johnny Carson is out. We'll talk
to the author next on seven to ten wor.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
In Mark on Demand by setting a preset for his
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Now back to Mark Simon
on WOR.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Well, we love Johnny Carson, the greatest talk show host ever.
And there's a book out, a brand new book, The
Definitive Book on Johnny Carson, the Ultimate Book. There's been
some bad books of these. This is the book on
Johnny Carson. It's out. It's already a bestseller. I urge
you to get the book, by the way, it'd be
a great Christmas present for somebody. The book's called Love

(55:05):
Johnny Carson. You can get it on Amazon. It's a
great book, Love Johnny Carson. It's the real story, the
whole story, and it's by Mark Malkoff, who does the
Carson Podcast, which has been on for years. Got a
lot of big devoted listeners. You should listen to that too,
the Carson Podcast. But the author of the new book,
Love Johnny Carson, Mark Malkoff, How you.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Doing, Mark, I'm doing great. Nice to talk to you, sir.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Hey, it's a You've been on a book tour all
over the place promoting it, but you just went to
Johnny Carson's hometown, right, tell us about that.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I was in Norfolk, Nebraska. They flew me out there.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
I thought it was called Norfolk, They say Norfolk, But
I was in Johnny Carson's boyhood home.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
The owner invited me over there and just to be
in that space and see where Johnny slept with his
brother Dick, and it was unbelievable. They had me sign
autographed the room wall with other visitors. The Smothers brothers
have been there, Paul Riser, and they have a local museum,
the Elkhorn Valley Museum, with Johnny's awards, his Emmy's costumes,

(56:10):
like art Fernon Blaby, And it was unbelievable just to
be at this place that made and shaped Johnny Carson.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, when you stand there in the middle of Nebraska,
the Great Midwest, you realize how far this guy came
and what a journey he took.

Speaker 17 (56:25):
He did, I mean when he was seventeen, when he
graduated high school at seventeen, the first thing he did
was hitchhike to Los Angeles and he bought a star
map to the and went to Jack Benny's home and
waved it outside to see if Benny would come at
which he didn't. But yeah, Johnny always had these ambitions,
but Nebraska definitely shaped him.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
And just to be back there and.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
To talk to people that had Johnny's teacher, Fay Gordon,
who turned when she turned one hundred years old, and
then I think early the mid nineties, Johnny returned back
to Nebraska for her one hundred birthday. But I talked
to people that were older that had Johnny's teacher, and Johnny,
of course over there is like, I mean, he's an
icon to us, but back there, I mean he's royalty

(57:08):
and rightfully so. I mean he's donated so much money
and helped out with so many good causes.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, there was a guy that gave his first big
radio job in Nebraska, and as you point out, he
was so nice that guy. For the rest of his life.
He always helped the guy and met with him.

Speaker 12 (57:23):
Right.

Speaker 17 (57:23):
Yeah, Meryl Workoven was his name, and he was in Omaha,
and he got Johnny his really big first job in
radio and Omaha, and Johnny kept in touch with him
for decades.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Would invite him to the tonight show.

Speaker 17 (57:37):
They'd go out to dinner at Johnny's one of Johnny's
favorite the Palm in La. And then when this gentleman, Meryll,
who worked in radio for something like thirty years in Nebraska,
when his car broke down driving out to LA Johnny
surprised him with a new car, a new Buick. And
when Johnny presented this to Meryl Workoven, they both started crying.

(57:58):
I mean their daughter, his daughter, Melanieu Werkovien, was telling
me the story about being there, and yeah, Johnny had
very close friends, which I talked about in the book,
which to the media, you know, they said he was
cold and a loof But the people I talked to,
the four hundred people, I mean, you knew Johnny Carson,
you met him, they told me that.

Speaker 16 (58:17):
He was not like that.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Well, he said, when you go to work, it's called work.
It's not fun. You got to be very business like
and you got to be a little cold when you
go to work. You're not there to have fun.

Speaker 16 (58:27):
He would.

Speaker 17 (58:28):
Yeah, he would protect his energy too, because he was
You would only get there a couple hours before the
show because he didn't want to waste his energy on
a show day, no lunches with people. I mean, for
most of his career he was doing at least ninety minutes,
if not an hour and forty five, and he was
just always exhausted, so he had to protect his energy.
But to hear the stories was just it's been unbelievable.

(58:50):
I mean, Bob Yucker was somebody that I talked to
on the Carson podcast for an hour. He was telling
me that the first time he went on the show
in like nineteen sixty nine, Johnny did not believe afterwards,
that he was a real major league baseball player. He
thought he was so funny that he had to be
a comedian that was lying about being a major league
baseball player. And Johnny staff had to show him articles

(59:12):
and just to hear those stories, I mean, Ker told
me they never used the pre interview youger, Buddy Hackett,
Don Rickles, no pre interviews.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I mean, he was effortless.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah. Hey, now everybody should get this book. You're gonna
love this book. It's just one fascinating chapter and story
after another. It's called Love Johnny Carson. Brand new book
by Mark Malkoff called Love Johnny Carson. Go order it now.
They taped the show every night, But in thirty years,
did they ever stop a tape? They just never stopped
for any reason.

Speaker 17 (59:41):
Did they very few times. The one time I remember
is Dela Reese had a stroke at an brain aneurysm.
They stopped that almost never. I think it was I
think John Davidson kicked a speaker and the something happened
and they had to cancel a taping.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
But Johnny liked to in the mistakes. The mistakes were
all part of the show.

Speaker 17 (01:00:02):
Like well, for example, when Robert Gouleer John Davidson forgot
the words to a song, Johnny wouldn't let them stop tape.
He said, no, you're gonna get it. You're gonna figure
it out. And the audience loved it, and you know,
it just made these famous celebrities more endearing to the audience.
But I have to say, I want to tell people
in the New York City area one thing I do
want to mention, and you were just there and I

(01:00:23):
was there just a day ago, is the Paley Center
at fifty second Street in New York City has Johnny
Carson's actual desk chair the couch. It's unbelievable. To sit there,
and you can actually sit in Johnny's chair from the step.
But I know you were there. I saw the photo,
which is tremendous. But every opportunity when I'm in Midtown,

(01:00:43):
I try to stop by the Paley Center.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, it's a wonderful place. If you check my Instagram,
you see a picture of me sitting in the Carson desk,
But it's over there at the Paley Center, which is
a wonderful museum on fifty second Street. Hey, there's things
that Johnny Carson did it with traditions on the Tonight Shop.
They're all gone now. They don't do them anymore, like
having a guest host or a sidekick sitting next to you,
or a new comedians stand up comedian Newston. How come

(01:01:07):
that all went away? They don't do that anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:01:09):
I feel like the panel was the best part when
you would have these people like I don't know, Don
Rickles or Glenn Campbell and they start getting added and
there was just so much fun with those traditions. I
don't know why the shows have have just deviated so
much from what worked. It doesn't make any sense to
me about that tradition. Yeah, it's just it's different. I mean,

(01:01:34):
I do like the fact that all the late night
hosts still talk about Johnny Carson with reverence, yet it's
not the same. I mean, I love and I hear
from people all across America that miss Johnny that go
to the official Johnny YouTube channel, and there's over a
million subs people that have subscribed to this YouTube channel,
and it's just amazing just to look at that body
of work. But yeah, I really do wish they would

(01:01:55):
have kept some of those traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well, you should also start listening to the Carson podcast.
Mark Malcoff did with like six hundred episodes of it
with every.

Speaker 17 (01:02:04):
We did a lot, and we have new episodes coming up.
Ed Shaughnessy, who's the drummer. We have his son I
talked to. I talked to a bunch of other people
that I wasn't able to get on the podcast. So
we're doing new episodes and we're going to be doing some.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Events around the country.

Speaker 17 (01:02:18):
I was just in Chicago at their Museum of Broadcasts
and Communications. They have a Late Night exhibit some Carson
and Letterman items. So yeah, it's been just incredible just
people miss Johnny. I thought, Mark, I really thought, like
when talking to you, when we first started talking and stuff,
I didn't realize how many people that around the country
just missed Johnny as much as us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
But they are all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Yeah, that's why I should get the book Love Johnny Carson,
big new, wonderful book about Johnny Carson, the real story,
and it'd be a great Christmas present. It's called Love
Johnny Carson. Now, I always preferred the New York Tonight
Show years. There was something better about it. But Carson
had a lot of trouble in New York, right, women drinking,
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:02:58):
Yeah, he would talk about on the two I Show
with his struggle with alcohol. That was always a thing
he talked about. He would say he would have one
more drink than he's should he would turn into Attila
the Hunt. So he definitely had some tough times. Jillie's
and Ed McMahon would babysit him and make sure he
would get home. And he got in some trouble in
Frank Sinatra one time had to save his life there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I talk about that in the book, but I agree.

Speaker 17 (01:03:22):
I think the New York years with you know, Jimmy
Breslin and just I think that it was just such
a more intimate, classy show, sophisticated show. I did like
when they during those first ten years when they go
out to Hollywood, because it would go off the rails
with you know, people like George Goebel and Dean Martin.
But I definitely think those first ten years from the
clips that I've seen, I think that those are stellar,

(01:03:44):
and those really hold up the footage that does exist.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Not a lot of it does, but when I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah, So it's a one of a book. I'm telling
you get the book. You'll really love it. It's everything
you ever want to know. But I knew everything there
was to know about Johnny Carson, but I could read
this book and find out fifty thousand things I didn't know.
It's got everything about Johnny Carson.

Speaker 17 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I mean Ed Eames. I mean I'm in for
at Beverly Hill is sitting down with Ed Eames. He's
in his nineties telling me about he didn't know how
to throw a tomahawk. And I'm getting the actual story
from the man himself, the most famous Carson Club of
all times. So we put all the stories in talk
to everyone that went on the show, Johnny's staff, and
I have to say I've heard from a lot of
people that knew Johnny and people at the tonight show,

(01:04:26):
and they have all been so complimentary about me getting
the story right, which I'm grateful to hear. And you know,
I've been, you know, working on this for years and
you've been such a great support in helping me in
with the books.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
I mean, you know so much about Late Night and Carson.
I didn't know, So I'm grateful to you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Well, everybody, get the book. Order it today. Order it now.
It's called Love Johnny Carson. It's on Amazon. It'd be
a good Christmas present too. Love Johnny Carson is the book.
Go order it and listen to the Carson Podcast. Start listening.
Mark Malkoff, thanks for being with us. We'll talk again soon,
talk so thank you so much. Mark as the pleasure here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Thanks. Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming up at
noon today right here on seven ten, woir.

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