November 17, 2025 • 33 mins
Over 50,000 candidates have applied to join the Mamdani administration, highlighting the intense competition for these positions. Meanwhile, questions remain about the feasibility of Zohran’s proposed free bus plan, as financial constraints could undermine its success. Additionally, Zohran’s tendency for double-talk may lead to misunderstandings among the public. Mark takes your calls! Mark interviews author Mark Malkoff. Mark shares his experiences visiting Carson’s hometown and discusses his book, “Love Johnny Carson.” He reveals behind-the-scenes insights into what made Carson one of television’s greatest stars.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's get back to the Mark Simone Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Im w R.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Hello, We'll get to Johnny Carson a little later this hour,
we'll get to Bill Ackman. Mom, Donnie, Well, he spoke
with Jessica Tish again over the weekend. I guess that's
a good sign that they're talking. Hopefully she stays right now.
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Eric Adams is away, he's been in Israel. He had
this terrible shooting, a police officer shot in Brooklyn. Little
crisis occurring. And the good news is you got Randy
Mastro as the first deputy mayor. He was Rudy Giuliani's
first deputy mayor. If you like the way that Giuliani
administration ran, then you like Randy Mastro. And about a
(00:46):
year ago, Eric Adams put him in charge of city Hall.
He's the first deputy mayor. So even with Adams away,
Randy Mastro ran to the hospital to be with the
officer and handle the situation. Police COMMISSIONERCA. Tish is there.
But when you got Mastro, things are under control. That's
why things have been so good for the past year. Now,
(01:09):
what happens when Mom Donnie comes in, Well, that first
deputy mayor will be Dean Fulahan, who comes from the
Deblasio administration. He was Deblasio's chief of staff, first deputy mayor,
in other words, first deputy mayor. So it's going to
look a lot like the Deblasio administration, which was bad,
but we got through it. We got through it. We
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got through eight years of Deblasio. We probably won't have
to get through that much of Mom Donnie. It probably is.
I mean, it's four years, but it might. It could
just be one year. You might get a governor next
year who removes him if things aren't going well. Now,
Donald Trump said he'll meet with Mom. Donnie said, New
York is important. He'll meet with him, He'll talk to him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Mom.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Donnie was asked about meeting with Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I look forward to having a conversation with President Trump
because it's one where I'll make clear if he wants
to work together to deliver on his campaign promises of
cheaper groceries or a lower cost of living, I am
there and I am ready to go. But if he
wants to talk about pursuing a campaign agenda that comes
to the expense of New Yorkers, that is something that
I will fight.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, Well, so what will Trump do when he meets
with him, Well, maybe he'll get through to him on
a couple of things. First, the most important thing is crime.
If you convince him, he's got to get a real
police commissioner and he's got to really take care of crime.
Mom Donnie said, he doesn't want to hire five thousand
more cops. And the problem is will he with you know,
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withdraw cops from a lot of situations not enforce certain things.
Then that's what to Blasio, basically did things start to
get out of control? So that's a problem. But hopefully
Trump gets through to him on that kind of stuff. Now, personally, well,
they got some things in common. Mom, Donnie was a
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little trump like in his campaign and that he was
the total outsider up against these big political machines. And
Trump's case, he was up against the Clinton machine. Mom
Donnie was up against the Cuomo machine and he defeated him.
So they got that, and they've got something in common. Now.
(03:16):
Trump is good at winning people over in private. People
are always surprised in private what a nice man he is. Well,
how he relates to people. He's an incredibly good listener.
It's beyond listening. He looks at you like with radar
and sonar and knows exactly what you're saying. And he's
really good at handling people. But generally the people he
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handles are like him. They're big, successful business people. They're
CEOs or bank presidents, or they're substantial people. That's where
he does best. But he's also been good with the weirdo,
odd ball kookie types, you know, Kim Jong un and others.
He was able to win him over and calm him down.
(03:57):
Zelenski got off to a bad start but eventually developed
a good relationship. So we'll see what he can do
with Mom Donnie if he can get through to him.
Mom Donnie is talking to Tish. He did a Sunday
show where he was asked about keeping her.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I continue to be confident in my decision, but as
soon as there's a public announcement to be made, we'll
be sort of show.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Does she say? I got to think about this.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
More of the conversation, frankly, had to do with what
it looks like to deliver that public.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Safety right now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He is a genius at double talk. You know, Kamala
would do this word salad and was pretty obvious. You
know what the ell she was talking about, just like
a babbling yo yo. But mom, Donnie, the double talk
is very good. Now what did he just say? It
was asked her, are you going to keep her? Did
he give a yes or no?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I continue to be confident in my decision.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But okay, think of it. I continue to be confident
in my decision. What does that mean? I continue? You
could just say, well, my decision is to keep her.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But he says.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm confident in my decision. That adds an element to it.
Then he adds a third layer. I continue to be
confident in my decision. Now he just said three things
without saying anything.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I continue to be confident in my decision.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
But as soon as there's a public announcement to be made,
we'll be sure to show.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Does she say, as soon as there's a public announcement
to be made, we'll be sure to share it. Well, obviously,
if it's a public announcement, you'll share it.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
He was asked about Putin. I don't know what Putin
has to do anything.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I believe this is a city of international law, and
being a city of international law means looking to uphold
international law, and that means upholding the warrants from the
International Criminal Court, whether they're for Benjamin Ninia or Vladimir Putin.
I think that that's critically important to showcase our values.
And unlike Donald Trump, I'm someone who looks to exist
within the confines of the laws that we have, So
I will look to exhaust every legal possibility, not to
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create my own laws.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Now, I guess they're talking about arresting Putin if he
comes to town, or arresting that yah who No, he
said again, this is all bubble talk.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I believe this is a city of international law.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
First, so it's not. It's not a city of international law.
We don't use international law here. We don't even recognize
it here in New York City. And if he ever
tries us, he'll be taken to court and lose immediately.
It's a city of city, state and US law. We
don't acknowledge international law. And by the way, that court
that put out the indictment against Natanya is not recognized
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as any sort of a legitimate court. It's the World
Court of whatever, but we don't even recognize it. So
he's absolutely wrong. He's threatened Nettya, who's supposed to come
here next year for that annual UN summit. He'll speak
at that as he always does. Will Mamdani a tempt
to arrest him.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
We are a global city, But I also think what
New Yorkers are looking for is consistency in the way
in which we talk about our values and follow through
on them. And that's why I think these warrants from
the International Criminal Court, they are worth fully exploring every
legal possibility to actually follow through on.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Again, the World Criminal Court not recognized by anybody, it's
just a joke. If he does come to New York,
President Trump has said he will have him escorted by
milli terry federal troops FBI. He will protect him from
being arrested. Alan Dershwitz said he will stand by his
side the entire visit to New York and be his lawyer.
What about Trump sending in the National Guard, and.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So we will have a unified front myself the Governor
of the Attorney General in showcasing that any attempts to
deploy the National Guard here in New York City, it's
not an attack on an individual politician like myself.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
It's an attack on the city.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Now a unified front.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Think of this army, so we will have a unified front. Myself,
the governor of the Attorney General.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
All right, now, myself, he's like a dumb kid, a
thirty four year old kid. The governor is a total
coward who runs and hides it the sign of any trouble.
The Attorney General is a sleeve ball who's under indictment,
who may be in jail by the time this even
comes up. Let me see about arrest.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I've said time and again this is a city of.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
International same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well here he's on k hulk.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things he wants.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
To do, these free buses. He has no power to
make the buses free. The Mayor of New York has
no control over the buses. It's all state. It's the
MTA that runs them. And Hochel has said, you can't
make the buses free. Can't take be a massive loss
of revenue, so you'd have to come up with some
other revenue.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things, we
would embrace them by all means, because the most important
thing is funding these things. And I think with the
governor there's a clear alignment of the importance of delivering
on universal childcare and on affordability agenda. And now the
work begins even before we've been sworn in on lining
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out when, how, But we always know it's for who,
which is New Yorkers.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
See, if you're not saying anything, if you're not going
to answer, if you're going to double talk, the secret
is to do it fast. If you said, well, I
I know it sounds like you're not answering. But if
you talk very quickly and you're not really answering, and
you said, well, it's a matter of how, when and how,
and if you took it a mile a minute your salad,
you know what you're talking about, even if you don't.
But we'll see. This is not gonna be easy getting
(09:03):
through Mom Donnie. But but we got through Deblasio. It
was pretty much the same thing. Deblasio thought socialism was
better Deblasio same thing with the affordability. But remember Deblasio's
whole campaign was about two New York's. There's two New
York's one for the rich, one for so.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The only difference is de Plasio didn't really hate all
those rich people. In fact, he did them favor after
whatever they needed, he did it for him. So I
don't know about Mom Donnie. I don't know if he's
that bribeable or that persuadable. But we'll see. He's got
a team in place. He's got a bunch of people
that are on the transition team. He has one guy
(09:45):
on the transition team just got caught with the most
horrible antisemitic remarks. But listen, that's no shock. This is
what you expect from these Mom Donnie people. You got
a little of that from the Deblasio team as well. Now,
another thing is this transition team of Mom Donnie's has
been raising money and apparently they're up to about a
(10:06):
million dollars already. They've raised about one million dollars. Now.
They say it's a smaller donations. Average donation is seventy
five dollars, but that's a lot of money. What do
they do with the transition money? Who knows they pay
for themselves. They just spend it on themselves. It's kind
of ridiculous, but good for Mom Donnie. Yeah, the donation came.
(10:29):
The money came from seven thousand donors, averaging seventy three
dollars per donor. So the other people only got Elena Leopold.
She's the director. The whole transition team is female. I
don't know what that means, but she's she's pretty bad.
(10:51):
They got Lena Kahan, who's co chair of the transition team.
She was a longtime Obama Biden person owned for her
tough anti trust stance, in other words, harassing businesses. She
has a history of going after major companies and trying
to bust them up, anti trust. So that's not good.
(11:13):
The transition team says more than fifty thousand people five
zero fifty thousand candidates have applied to work for his administration.
They have one of those resume portals. They've gotten fifty
thousand applications. They'll be going through fifty thousand. Well, it's
say they got like six weeks to get through this,
and we'll see Bill Maher on Friday night begging, begging
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Democrats to get away from this socialism, this nonsense. Mars said,
did you watch his victory speech? Well, if you didn't
see it, he said don't worry. You're going to see
it in every attack ad for the next two years.
Republicans will be using that Mamdani speech in every campaign
ad against the Democrats. He said, democratic socialism is like
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a dating profile. Looks great until you actually meet up
in the real world. You know, Bernie Sanders, his single
pair healthcare sounded great, but it totally collapsed when you
try it. He did it in Vermont. It totally collapsed. Bernie.
AOC Momdonnie, they're not Democrats. They'll be the first to
tell you. They're democratic socialists. It's a different thing, and
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Democrats should stay the hell away from it. Hunter Biden
goes nuts on this podcast, ranting and raving and yelling
and screaming. It's really met. You know, Miranda Devine wrote
the definitive book about the laptop and about the Big
Guy and the Biden corruptions. He really went after her.
He called her ugly, hideous, looking, a whore. This is
(12:43):
Hunter Biden's worse Obviously, she's a very fine person then
very attractive. You know, you can call people ugly, but
when they're making a living on television, people looking at
close ups of their face, I don't think they nobody's going.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
To buy that.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
They're so ugly. But it's a good it's a compliment
to Miranda that he couldn't find anything wrong in the
book to point out, he couldn't be specific about anything
she got wrong, and he couldn't find any legitimate attack
on her, so he had to just go nuts. He
also said Democrats need to turn the temperature up. Turn
(13:17):
the temperature up. How could they get any angrier than
they already are? How could they get any matter? How
could they yell and scream about Trump anymore? How could
they have more Trump arrangement syndrome than they have now?
So yeah, socialism, listen, it's failed everywhere. Trying socialism is
to be like betting on the New York Jets to win.
(13:38):
It's not a good idea. It's never going to happen. Hey,
Bill Ackman, the hedge fund Billionaire's a nice guy, Bill Ackman.
So he posted something. He's a little too busy on
Twitter and all that stuff, But he said, I hear
from many young men they find it difficult to meet
young women in a public setting. You know, younger younger
people are so busy on online meeting. You know, the
(14:00):
go to online dating apps, and that's how they meet that.
They have no idea how you could meet somebody in person,
So he said, young men are always asking me. They
have so much trouble meeting in person. I thought I
would share a few words that I used in my
youth to meet someone that I found compelling. So Ackman
goes on to say if he wanted to meet somebody,
he would walk up to her and say may I
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meet you before engaging further in conversation. He says, I
almost never gotten no. It inevitably worked, he said, I
think the combination of proper grammar and politeness was the
key to its effectiveness. Give it a try. May I
meet you? Well, the way this turned out, Ackman has
(14:43):
been ridiculed all weekend online. He's getting just tarred and
feathered online. In fact, all you see are may I
meet you memes, just ridiculing poor Bill Ackman. It's actually
he's got a good point there, may I meet you?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I kind of get it. I mean he's got a
point there. But politeness, most guys aren't very polite or gentlemanly,
just be very polite. Proper grammar that can be very
I don't know if i'd go and would you say
that to somebody? He says, it's not just dating. He
uses it in business situations.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Let me go out in the hall and try this
with somebody. May I meet you?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It sounds pretty lame to me. It sounds very lame.
But Ackman getting trashed all over the place for it. Hey,
we'll take some calls in a minute. We'll get to
Johnny Carson coming up, but we'll get to the phones next.
Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten is
the number. Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten, mister.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
New York, he's on the case the Mark Simone Show
on seven tenor.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Hey, we'll pick some calls. Eight hundred three to two
one zero seven ten is the number the Bill Ackman
pickup line, May I meet you? Well? Jacqueline carl just
said if a guy walked up to her and said that,
she'd think there was something wrong with him and would run.
So he's onto something with the politeness and the good grammar,
(16:13):
So maybe come up with a variation of it. Excuse me,
I'm sorry to interrupt. May I just say hello? Still
sounds lame? I don't try something like that. Let's go
to Paul in beth Page. Paul, how you doing.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
I'm doing great, Mark, good morning. I wanted to ask
you about Mondani with this free transit with the buses
and stuff. Let's just say hypothetically, he tells Tish that
don't enforce it, like you enforced spitting in the subway.
Then he's getting his wish, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, you could do that right now. Half the people
don't pay the subway or the buses. Half the people
jump the turnstile or just get out and don't pay.
In drivers, they don't enforce that now. So the people
that want to ride for free or riding for free
free busses, it's just a gimmick. If you had a
major massive affordability crisis the bus prices, that's that's not
going to solve it, obviously. It's just a little gimmicky thing.
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Let's go to Cheryl in Monmouth County. Cheryl, how you doing?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Good boy?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
How are you? I listened to you all the time.
I love you on couslo and everything.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I'm calling Now, let me ask you a personal question.
If you lived in Connecticut, you'd say I'm from this town.
I'm from Westport, I'm from.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh Okay, Danby.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But New Jersey people they identify themselves by the county.
Why is that? I don't know, I'm from Bergen County.
Why don't they just say what town they're in?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You know, I did it because I didn't want too
much information out.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We think we're following.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
No, no, no, no, no, whatever, it's not it's not important anyway.
This is what is important, and I feel passionate about it.
Go ahead. And I thought, gee, maybe I'm sitting in
my car and I'm listening to you and I'm saying,
let me do it. Okay, go ahead this Mahamdami. We're
going to talk about all the things that he's saying
(18:05):
that are silly, anti American. And the thing is, I
did a research and from my education, I remember a lot,
and I attempted to notify a last Stephonic and President Trump.
Now I'm calling you, and I know you're connected. I
(18:28):
know what's the point And okay, nineteen n we don't
have time. Nineteen forty, Emma Goldman.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We got to tell me the point. Tell me the point.
What's the point.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The point is there's president for deporting him.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, there is a committee working on that. They're going
over his application more.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Listen Eisenhower nineteen.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We understand all this. You can you can deport all
the people you want. Yeah, Eisenhower ran Operation Wetback. They
used buses, planes, trains. They deported about a million peace
people in a year. But they are looking at mom, Donnie,
if you lied in any way on his citizenship application,
his visa, anything, and there's a couple of people looking
at that looking to get him revoke his citizenship. That's possible.
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They're also looking at foreign campaign donations. They keep saying
they're looking. So far they've come up with nothing, and
it's getting a little late. But they're looking at that.
If they can find he accepted foreign money knowingly, they
can still remove him, believe it or not. Let's go
to Chipper and Stony Point. Chipper, how you doing, Hi, Mark,
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I just got I just like to know for your three.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh you can't pick three favorite it's impossibly recorded. No,
you can't think he couldn't do it. You know, when
I used to do the Sinatra Show, every great singer
in the world was a guest and I asked everyone
to pick their favorite Sinatra song. They never got the
same answer twice. There's a million, it's too bad albums.
We Small Hours of the Morning. I don't have favorites,
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but his two best albums we Small Hours of the
Morning and Only the Lonely, Those are the two. If
you got to start somewhere, start with those two albums.
And obviously, I mean it's incredible body of work. One
hundred albums recorded, fourteen hundred songs. That's not the most albums,
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by the way. The most Elefantcherald one hundred and sixty
six albums, but the all time record was Bing Crosby
two hundred albums over his career. Let's go to Richard
and Bay Shore. Richard. How you doing.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
I'm doing well, Mark. You know, Kansas City had free buses,
but now they've gone back to charging fares, and the
bus drivers were all for it. Because last you're like
thirty some other of them were assaulted when they had
a fair. It almost never happened. They had to hire
guards in Kansas City, and then they had to hire
armed guards, which court them millions of dollars. There's the
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whole thing, you know, And I obviously, Yes, the homeless, the drunks,
the druggies, they use the bus as as their hangout.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, we know it doesn't work. It never works. It's
never worked anywhere. It's free stuff and affordability crisis. There
is one. It seems to only be in the Blue
cities where they have this affordability crisis. But one of
the reasons it's so expensive to live in New York.
It's like the greatest city in the world. It's really expensive.
You know, if you go to a west Chester you know, Scarsdale. Oh,
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it's really expensive to live there. But you ever see
what it looks like. It's beautiful Mount Vernon not so expensive,
but you see what it looks like. It doesn't look
like Scarsdale. You have that everywhere. Go to that coffee
shop on the corner, not that expensive, but they walk
a block away and go into Tiffany's. Wooh, there's an
affordability crisis in there. But that's because it's good stuff. Hey,
(21:55):
when we come back, we'll get to Johnny Carson. The
Ultimate Definitive Book on Johnny Carson is out. We'll talk
to the author next on seven to ten. Wor get
Mark on demand by setting a preset for his podcast
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Now back to Mark Simone.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
On wor Well.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We love Johnny Carson, the greatest talk show host ever.
And there's a book out, a brand new book, the
Definitive Book on Johnny Carson, the Ultimate Book. There's been
some bad books, and this is the book on Johnny Carson.
It's out, it's already a bestseller. I urge you to
get the book. Hey, by the way, be a great
Christmas present for somebody. The book's called Love Johnny Carson.
(22:38):
You can get it on Amazon. It's a great book,
Love Johnny Carson. It's the real story, the whole story.
And it's by Mark Malkoff, who does the Carson podcast,
which has been on for Years's got a lot of
big devoted listeners. You should listen to that, to the
Carson Podcast. But the author of the new book, Love
Johnny Carson, Mark Malcoff.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
How you doing, Ark, I'm doing great. Nice to talk
to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Hey. It's a You've been on a book tour all
over the place promoting it. But you just went to
Johnny Carson's hometown, right, tell us about that.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I was in Norfolk Nebraska. They flew me out there.
I thought it was called Norfolk. They say Norfolk, but
I was in Johnny Carson's boyhood home. The owner invited
me over there and just to be in that space
and see where Johnny slept with his brother Dick, and
it was unbelievable. They had me sign autographed the living
room wall with other visitors. The Smothers brothers have been there,
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Paul Riser, and they have a local museum, the Elkhorn
Valley Museum, with Johnny's awards as Emmy's costumes like art
Fernon Blabby And it was unbelievable just to be at
this place that made and shape Johnny Carson.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, when you stand there in the middle of Nebraska,
the Great Midwest, you realize how far this guy came
and what a journey he took.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
He did, I mean when he was seventeen, when he
graduated high school at seventeen, the first thing he did
was hitchhike to Los Angeles and he bought a star
map to the and went to Jack Benny's home and
waved it outside to see if Ben would come out,
which he didn't. But yeah, Johnny always had these ambitions
but Nebraska definitely shaped him, and just to be back
(24:19):
there and to talk to people that had Johnny's teacher,
Fay Gordon, who turned when she turned one hundred years old.
And then I think early the mid nineties, Johnny returned
back to Nebraska for her one hundred birthday. But I
talked to people that were older that had Johnny's teacher,
and Johnny, of course over there is like, I mean,
he's an icon to us, but back there, I mean
(24:39):
he's royalty and rightfully so. I mean he's donated so
much money and helped out with so many good causes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Now, there was a guy that gave his first big
radio job in Nebraska, and as you point out, he
was so nice that guy. For the rest of his life.
He always helped the guy and met with him, right.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, Meryl Wurkhoven was his name, and he was in
Omaha and he got johnny Is really big first job
in radio and Omaha and Johnny kept in touch with
him for decades, would invite him to the Tonight show.
They'd go out to dinner at Johnny's one of Johnny's favorite,
the Palm in La And then when this gentleman Merrill,
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who worked in radio.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
For something like thirty years in Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
When his car broke down driving out to La Johnny
surprised him with a new car, a new Buick. And
when Johnny presented this to Merril Workoven, they both started crying.
I mean their daughter, his daughter, Melanie Workoven, was telling
me the story about being there. And yeah, Johnny had
very close friends, which I talked about in the book,
(25:40):
which to the media, you know, they said he was
cold and aloof But the people I talked to, the
four hundred people, I mean, you knew Johnny Carson, you
met him, they told me that he was not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah. Well, he said, when you go to work, it's
called work. It's not fun. You got to be very
business like and you got to be a little cold
when you go to work. You're not there to have fun.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
And he would, Yeah, he would protect his energy too,
because he was He would only get there a couple
hours before the show because he didn't want to waste
his energy on a show day.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No lunches with people. I mean, for.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Most of his career he was doing at least ninety minutes,
if not an hour and forty five. And he was
just always exhausted, so he had to protect his energy,
which to hear the stories was just it's been unbelievable.
I mean, Bob Yucker was somebody that I talked to
on the Carson podcast for an hour. He was telling
me that the first time he went on the show
in like nineteen sixty nine, Johnny did not believe afterwards
(26:33):
that he was a real major league baseball player. He
thought he was so funny that he had to be
a comedian that was lying about being a major league
baseball player. And Johnny's staff had to show him articles
and just to hear those stories. I mean, Uker told
me they never used the pre interview. Uker, Buddy Hackett,
Don Rickles no pre interviews. I mean, he was effortless.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah. Hey, now everybody should get this book. You're gonna
love this book. It's just one fascinating chapter and story
after another. It's called Love Johnny Carson. Brand new book
by Mark Malkoff called Love Johnny Carson. Go order it now.
They taped the show every night, but in thirty years
did they ever stop a tape. They just never stopped
for any reason. Did they Very few times?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
The one time I remember is Dela Reese had a
stroke at an ant brain aneurysm. They stopped that almost never.
I think it was I think John Davidson kicked a
speaker and the something happened and they had to cancel
a taping. But Johnny liked to keep in the mistakes.
The mistakes were all part of the show. Like well,
for example, when Robert Guler John Davidson forgot the words
(27:38):
to a song, Johnny wouldn't let them stop tape. He said, no,
you're gonna get it, You're gonna figure it out. And
the audience loved it. And you know, it just made
these famous celebrities more endearing to the audience. But I
have to say, I want to tell people in the
New York City area one thing I do want to mention,
and you were just there, and I was there just
a day ago, is the Paley Center at fifty second
(27:59):
Street in New York's has Johnny Carson's actual desk chair.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The couch.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
It's unbelievable to sit there, and you can actually sit
in Johnny's chair from the set. But I know you
were there. I saw the photo, which is tremendous. But
every opportunity when I'm in Midtown. I try to stop
by the Paley Center.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, it's a wonderful place. If you check my Instagram,
you see a picture of me sitting in the Carson desk.
But it's over there at the Paley Center, which is
a wonderful museum on fifty second Street. Hey, there's things
that Johnny Carson did with traditions on the Tonight Show.
They're all gone now. They don't do them anymore, Like
having a guest host or a sidekick sitting next to you,
or a new comedian stand up comedian. How come that
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all went away? They don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
I feel like the panel was the best part when
you would have these people like I don't know, Don
Rickles or Glenn Campbell and they start getting at it,
and there was just so much fun with those traditions.
I don't know why the shows have just deviated so
much from what worked. It doesn't make any sense to
me about that tradition. Yeah, it's just it's different. I mean,
(29:06):
I do like the fact that all the late night
hosts still talk about Johnny Carson with reverence, yet it's
not the same. I mean, I love and I hear
from people all across America that miss Johnny that go
to the official Johnny YouTube channel, and there's over a
million subs people that have subscribed to this YouTube channel,
and it's just amazing just to look at that body
of work.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But yeah, I really do wish they would have kept
some of those traditions.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well, you should also start listening to the Carson podcast.
Mark Malcoff did with like six hundred episodes of it
with every.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
We did a lot, and we have new episodes coming up.
Ed Shaughnessy, who's the drummer. We have his son I
talked to. I talked to a bunch of other people
that I wasn't able to get on the podcast. So
we're doing new episodes and we're gonna be doing some
events around the country. I was just in Chicago at
their Museum of Broadcasts and Communications. They have a late
night exhibit some Carson and Letterman items. So yeah, it's
(29:58):
been just incredible people miss Johnny. I thought Mark, I
really thought, like when talking to you, when we first
started talking and stuff, he didn't realize how many people
that around the country just missed Johnny as much as us.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
But they are all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, that's why I should get the book Love Johnny Carson,
big new, wonderful book about Johnny Carson, the real story,
and it'd be a great Christmas present. It's called Love
Johnny Carson. Now, I always preferred the New York Tonight
Show years. There was something better about it. But Carson
had a lot of trouble in New York, right, women drinking,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah, he would talk about on The Tonight Show with
his struggle with alcohol. That was always a thing he
talked about. He would say he would have one more
drink than he should and he would turn into Attila
the Hunt. So he definitely had some tough times. Jillie's
and Ed McMahon would babysit him and make sure he
would get home. And he got in some trouble and
Frank Sinatra one time had to save his life.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I talk about that in the book. But I agree.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
I think the New York years with you know, Jimmy
Breslin and just I think that it was just such
a more en comt classy show, sophisticated show. I did
like when they during those first ten years when they
go out to Hollywood, because it would go off the
rails with you know, people like George Goebel and Dean Martin.
But I definitely think those first ten years from the
clips that I've seen, I think that those are stellar,
(31:16):
and those really hold up the footage that does exist.
Not a lot of it does, but when I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, So it's a wonderful book. I'm telling you get
the book. You'll really love it. It's everything you ever
want to know about I knew everything there was to
know about Johnny Carson, but I could read this book
and find out fifty thousand things I didn't know. It's
got everything about Johnny Carson.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean Ed Eames.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
I mean I'm in but for at Beverly Hill is
sitting down with Ed Eames. He's in his nineties telling
me about he didn't know how to throw a tomahawk.
And I'm getting the actual story from the man himself,
the most famous Carson clip of all times. So we
put all the stories in. Talk to everyone that went
on the show, Johnny's staff, and I have to say,
I've heard from a lot of people that knew Johnny
and people at the Tonight show, and they open so
(32:00):
complimentary about me getting the story right, which I'm grateful
to hear. And you know, I've been, you know, working
on this for years and you've been such a great
support in helping me with the books.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I mean, you know so much about Late Night and Carson.
I didn't know. So I'm grateful to you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, everybody, get the book. Order it today. Order it now.
It's called Love Johnny Carson. It's on Amazon. It'd be
a good Christmas present too. Love Johnny Carson is the book.
Go order it and listen to the Carson Podcast. Start listening.
Mark Malkoff, thanks for being with us. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Talk so thank you so much. Marca's the pleasure, take care,
Thank you, sure, thanks.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming up at noon
today right here on seven ten wor Mark.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Someimo the issues you really care about on seven ten wor.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well, we're out of time, but don't go away. Buck
and Clay are next with an excellent show. I'll be
back tomorrow ten to noon or remember you can listen anytime.
Get the podcast. See you tomorrow on seven to ten
wor
Let's get back to the Mark Simone Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Im w R.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Hello, We'll get to Johnny Carson a little later this hour,
we'll get to Bill Ackman. Mom, Donnie, Well, he spoke
with Jessica Tish again over the weekend. I guess that's
a good sign that they're talking. Hopefully she stays right now.
(00:26):
Eric Adams is away, he's been in Israel. He had
this terrible shooting, a police officer shot in Brooklyn. Little
crisis occurring. And the good news is you got Randy
Mastro as the first deputy mayor. He was Rudy Giuliani's
first deputy mayor. If you like the way that Giuliani
administration ran, then you like Randy Mastro. And about a
(00:46):
year ago, Eric Adams put him in charge of city Hall.
He's the first deputy mayor. So even with Adams away,
Randy Mastro ran to the hospital to be with the
officer and handle the situation. Police COMMISSIONERCA. Tish is there.
But when you got Mastro, things are under control. That's
why things have been so good for the past year. Now,
(01:09):
what happens when Mom Donnie comes in, Well, that first
deputy mayor will be Dean Fulahan, who comes from the
Deblasio administration. He was Deblasio's chief of staff, first deputy mayor,
in other words, first deputy mayor. So it's going to
look a lot like the Deblasio administration, which was bad,
but we got through it. We got through it. We
(01:31):
got through eight years of Deblasio. We probably won't have
to get through that much of Mom Donnie. It probably is.
I mean, it's four years, but it might. It could
just be one year. You might get a governor next
year who removes him if things aren't going well. Now,
Donald Trump said he'll meet with Mom. Donnie said, New
York is important. He'll meet with him, He'll talk to him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Mom.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Donnie was asked about meeting with Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I look forward to having a conversation with President Trump
because it's one where I'll make clear if he wants
to work together to deliver on his campaign promises of
cheaper groceries or a lower cost of living, I am
there and I am ready to go. But if he
wants to talk about pursuing a campaign agenda that comes
to the expense of New Yorkers, that is something that
I will fight.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, Well, so what will Trump do when he meets
with him, Well, maybe he'll get through to him on
a couple of things. First, the most important thing is crime.
If you convince him, he's got to get a real
police commissioner and he's got to really take care of crime.
Mom Donnie said, he doesn't want to hire five thousand
more cops. And the problem is will he with you know,
(02:35):
withdraw cops from a lot of situations not enforce certain things.
Then that's what to Blasio, basically did things start to
get out of control? So that's a problem. But hopefully
Trump gets through to him on that kind of stuff. Now, personally, well,
they got some things in common. Mom, Donnie was a
(02:56):
little trump like in his campaign and that he was
the total outsider up against these big political machines. And
Trump's case, he was up against the Clinton machine. Mom
Donnie was up against the Cuomo machine and he defeated him.
So they got that, and they've got something in common. Now.
(03:16):
Trump is good at winning people over in private. People
are always surprised in private what a nice man he is. Well,
how he relates to people. He's an incredibly good listener.
It's beyond listening. He looks at you like with radar
and sonar and knows exactly what you're saying. And he's
really good at handling people. But generally the people he
(03:37):
handles are like him. They're big, successful business people. They're
CEOs or bank presidents, or they're substantial people. That's where
he does best. But he's also been good with the weirdo,
odd ball kookie types, you know, Kim Jong un and others.
He was able to win him over and calm him down.
(03:57):
Zelenski got off to a bad start but eventually developed
a good relationship. So we'll see what he can do
with Mom Donnie if he can get through to him.
Mom Donnie is talking to Tish. He did a Sunday
show where he was asked about keeping her.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I continue to be confident in my decision, but as
soon as there's a public announcement to be made, we'll
be sort of show.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Does she say? I got to think about this.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
More of the conversation, frankly, had to do with what
it looks like to deliver that public.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Safety right now.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He is a genius at double talk. You know, Kamala
would do this word salad and was pretty obvious. You
know what the ell she was talking about, just like
a babbling yo yo. But mom, Donnie, the double talk
is very good. Now what did he just say? It
was asked her, are you going to keep her? Did
he give a yes or no?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
I continue to be confident in my decision.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But okay, think of it. I continue to be confident
in my decision. What does that mean? I continue? You
could just say, well, my decision is to keep her.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
But he says.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I'm confident in my decision. That adds an element to it.
Then he adds a third layer. I continue to be
confident in my decision. Now he just said three things
without saying anything.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Will she stay in that office?
Speaker 6 (05:15):
I continue to be confident in my decision.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
But as soon as there's a public announcement to be made,
we'll be sure to show.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Does she say, as soon as there's a public announcement
to be made, we'll be sure to share it. Well, obviously,
if it's a public announcement, you'll share it.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
He was asked about Putin. I don't know what Putin
has to do anything.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I believe this is a city of international law, and
being a city of international law means looking to uphold
international law, and that means upholding the warrants from the
International Criminal Court, whether they're for Benjamin Ninia or Vladimir Putin.
I think that that's critically important to showcase our values.
And unlike Donald Trump, I'm someone who looks to exist
within the confines of the laws that we have, So
I will look to exhaust every legal possibility, not to
(05:53):
create my own laws.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Now, I guess they're talking about arresting Putin if he
comes to town, or arresting that yah who No, he
said again, this is all bubble talk.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I believe this is a city of international law.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
First, so it's not. It's not a city of international law.
We don't use international law here. We don't even recognize
it here in New York City. And if he ever
tries us, he'll be taken to court and lose immediately.
It's a city of city, state and US law. We
don't acknowledge international law. And by the way, that court
that put out the indictment against Natanya is not recognized
(06:22):
as any sort of a legitimate court. It's the World
Court of whatever, but we don't even recognize it. So
he's absolutely wrong. He's threatened Nettya, who's supposed to come
here next year for that annual UN summit. He'll speak
at that as he always does. Will Mamdani a tempt
to arrest him.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
We are a global city, But I also think what
New Yorkers are looking for is consistency in the way
in which we talk about our values and follow through
on them. And that's why I think these warrants from
the International Criminal Court, they are worth fully exploring every
legal possibility to actually follow through on.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Again, the World Criminal Court not recognized by anybody, it's
just a joke. If he does come to New York,
President Trump has said he will have him escorted by
milli terry federal troops FBI. He will protect him from
being arrested. Alan Dershwitz said he will stand by his
side the entire visit to New York and be his lawyer.
What about Trump sending in the National Guard, and.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So we will have a unified front myself the Governor
of the Attorney General in showcasing that any attempts to
deploy the National Guard here in New York City, it's
not an attack on an individual politician like myself.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
It's an attack on the city.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Now a unified front.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Think of this army, so we will have a unified front. Myself,
the governor of the Attorney General.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
All right, now, myself, he's like a dumb kid, a
thirty four year old kid. The governor is a total
coward who runs and hides it the sign of any trouble.
The Attorney General is a sleeve ball who's under indictment,
who may be in jail by the time this even
comes up. Let me see about arrest.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I've said time and again this is a city of.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
International same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Well here he's on k hulk.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things he wants.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
To do, these free buses. He has no power to
make the buses free. The Mayor of New York has
no control over the buses. It's all state. It's the
MTA that runs them. And Hochel has said, you can't
make the buses free. Can't take be a massive loss
of revenue, so you'd have to come up with some
other revenue.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I've also said that if there are additional or alternate
revenue sources that would pay for the same things, we
would embrace them by all means, because the most important
thing is funding these things. And I think with the
governor there's a clear alignment of the importance of delivering
on universal childcare and on affordability agenda. And now the
work begins even before we've been sworn in on lining
(08:36):
out when, how, But we always know it's for who,
which is New Yorkers.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
See, if you're not saying anything, if you're not going
to answer, if you're going to double talk, the secret
is to do it fast. If you said, well, I
I know it sounds like you're not answering. But if
you talk very quickly and you're not really answering, and
you said, well, it's a matter of how, when and how,
and if you took it a mile a minute your salad,
you know what you're talking about, even if you don't.
But we'll see. This is not gonna be easy getting
(09:03):
through Mom Donnie. But but we got through Deblasio. It
was pretty much the same thing. Deblasio thought socialism was
better Deblasio same thing with the affordability. But remember Deblasio's
whole campaign was about two New York's. There's two New
York's one for the rich, one for so.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
The only difference is de Plasio didn't really hate all
those rich people. In fact, he did them favor after
whatever they needed, he did it for him. So I
don't know about Mom Donnie. I don't know if he's
that bribeable or that persuadable. But we'll see. He's got
a team in place. He's got a bunch of people
that are on the transition team. He has one guy
(09:45):
on the transition team just got caught with the most
horrible antisemitic remarks. But listen, that's no shock. This is
what you expect from these Mom Donnie people. You got
a little of that from the Deblasio team as well. Now,
another thing is this transition team of Mom Donnie's has
been raising money and apparently they're up to about a
(10:06):
million dollars already. They've raised about one million dollars. Now.
They say it's a smaller donations. Average donation is seventy
five dollars, but that's a lot of money. What do
they do with the transition money? Who knows they pay
for themselves. They just spend it on themselves. It's kind
of ridiculous, but good for Mom Donnie. Yeah, the donation came.
(10:29):
The money came from seven thousand donors, averaging seventy three
dollars per donor. So the other people only got Elena Leopold.
She's the director. The whole transition team is female. I
don't know what that means, but she's she's pretty bad.
(10:51):
They got Lena Kahan, who's co chair of the transition team.
She was a longtime Obama Biden person owned for her
tough anti trust stance, in other words, harassing businesses. She
has a history of going after major companies and trying
to bust them up, anti trust. So that's not good.
(11:13):
The transition team says more than fifty thousand people five
zero fifty thousand candidates have applied to work for his administration.
They have one of those resume portals. They've gotten fifty
thousand applications. They'll be going through fifty thousand. Well, it's
say they got like six weeks to get through this,
and we'll see Bill Maher on Friday night begging, begging
(11:38):
Democrats to get away from this socialism, this nonsense. Mars said,
did you watch his victory speech? Well, if you didn't
see it, he said don't worry. You're going to see
it in every attack ad for the next two years.
Republicans will be using that Mamdani speech in every campaign
ad against the Democrats. He said, democratic socialism is like
(11:58):
a dating profile. Looks great until you actually meet up
in the real world. You know, Bernie Sanders, his single
pair healthcare sounded great, but it totally collapsed when you
try it. He did it in Vermont. It totally collapsed. Bernie.
AOC Momdonnie, they're not Democrats. They'll be the first to
tell you. They're democratic socialists. It's a different thing, and
(12:19):
Democrats should stay the hell away from it. Hunter Biden
goes nuts on this podcast, ranting and raving and yelling
and screaming. It's really met. You know, Miranda Devine wrote
the definitive book about the laptop and about the Big
Guy and the Biden corruptions. He really went after her.
He called her ugly, hideous, looking, a whore. This is
(12:43):
Hunter Biden's worse Obviously, she's a very fine person then
very attractive. You know, you can call people ugly, but
when they're making a living on television, people looking at
close ups of their face, I don't think they nobody's going.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
To buy that.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
They're so ugly. But it's a good it's a compliment
to Miranda that he couldn't find anything wrong in the
book to point out, he couldn't be specific about anything
she got wrong, and he couldn't find any legitimate attack
on her, so he had to just go nuts. He
also said Democrats need to turn the temperature up. Turn
(13:17):
the temperature up. How could they get any angrier than
they already are? How could they get any matter? How
could they yell and scream about Trump anymore? How could
they have more Trump arrangement syndrome than they have now?
So yeah, socialism, listen, it's failed everywhere. Trying socialism is
to be like betting on the New York Jets to win.
(13:38):
It's not a good idea. It's never going to happen. Hey,
Bill Ackman, the hedge fund Billionaire's a nice guy, Bill Ackman.
So he posted something. He's a little too busy on
Twitter and all that stuff, But he said, I hear
from many young men they find it difficult to meet
young women in a public setting. You know, younger younger
people are so busy on online meeting. You know, the
(14:00):
go to online dating apps, and that's how they meet that.
They have no idea how you could meet somebody in person,
So he said, young men are always asking me. They
have so much trouble meeting in person. I thought I
would share a few words that I used in my
youth to meet someone that I found compelling. So Ackman
goes on to say if he wanted to meet somebody,
he would walk up to her and say may I
(14:21):
meet you before engaging further in conversation. He says, I
almost never gotten no. It inevitably worked, he said, I
think the combination of proper grammar and politeness was the
key to its effectiveness. Give it a try. May I
meet you? Well, the way this turned out, Ackman has
(14:43):
been ridiculed all weekend online. He's getting just tarred and
feathered online. In fact, all you see are may I
meet you memes, just ridiculing poor Bill Ackman. It's actually
he's got a good point there, may I meet you?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I kind of get it. I mean he's got a
point there. But politeness, most guys aren't very polite or gentlemanly,
just be very polite. Proper grammar that can be very
I don't know if i'd go and would you say
that to somebody? He says, it's not just dating. He
uses it in business situations.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Let me go out in the hall and try this
with somebody. May I meet you?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It sounds pretty lame to me. It sounds very lame.
But Ackman getting trashed all over the place for it. Hey,
we'll take some calls in a minute. We'll get to
Johnny Carson coming up, but we'll get to the phones next.
Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten is
the number. Eight hundred three to two one zero seven ten, mister.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
New York, he's on the case the Mark Simone Show
on seven tenor.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Hey, we'll pick some calls. Eight hundred three to two
one zero seven ten is the number the Bill Ackman
pickup line, May I meet you? Well? Jacqueline carl just
said if a guy walked up to her and said that,
she'd think there was something wrong with him and would run.
So he's onto something with the politeness and the good grammar,
(16:13):
So maybe come up with a variation of it. Excuse me,
I'm sorry to interrupt. May I just say hello? Still
sounds lame? I don't try something like that. Let's go
to Paul in beth Page. Paul, how you doing.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
I'm doing great, Mark, good morning. I wanted to ask
you about Mondani with this free transit with the buses
and stuff. Let's just say hypothetically, he tells Tish that
don't enforce it, like you enforced spitting in the subway.
Then he's getting his wish, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, you could do that right now. Half the people
don't pay the subway or the buses. Half the people
jump the turnstile or just get out and don't pay.
In drivers, they don't enforce that now. So the people
that want to ride for free or riding for free
free busses, it's just a gimmick. If you had a
major massive affordability crisis the bus prices, that's that's not
going to solve it, obviously. It's just a little gimmicky thing.
(17:09):
Let's go to Cheryl in Monmouth County. Cheryl, how you doing?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Good boy?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
How are you? I listened to you all the time.
I love you on couslo and everything.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I'm calling Now, let me ask you a personal question.
If you lived in Connecticut, you'd say I'm from this town.
I'm from Westport, I'm from.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh Okay, Danby.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But New Jersey people they identify themselves by the county.
Why is that? I don't know, I'm from Bergen County.
Why don't they just say what town they're in?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
You know, I did it because I didn't want too
much information out.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We think we're following.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
No, no, no, no, no, whatever, it's not it's not important anyway.
This is what is important, and I feel passionate about it.
Go ahead. And I thought, gee, maybe I'm sitting in
my car and I'm listening to you and I'm saying,
let me do it. Okay, go ahead this Mahamdami. We're
going to talk about all the things that he's saying
(18:05):
that are silly, anti American. And the thing is, I
did a research and from my education, I remember a lot,
and I attempted to notify a last Stephonic and President Trump.
Now I'm calling you, and I know you're connected. I
(18:28):
know what's the point And okay, nineteen n we don't
have time. Nineteen forty, Emma Goldman.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We got to tell me the point. Tell me the point.
What's the point.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
The point is there's president for deporting him.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, there is a committee working on that. They're going
over his application more.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Listen Eisenhower nineteen.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We understand all this. You can you can deport all
the people you want. Yeah, Eisenhower ran Operation Wetback. They
used buses, planes, trains. They deported about a million peace
people in a year. But they are looking at mom, Donnie,
if you lied in any way on his citizenship application,
his visa, anything, and there's a couple of people looking
at that looking to get him revoke his citizenship. That's possible.
(19:13):
They're also looking at foreign campaign donations. They keep saying
they're looking. So far they've come up with nothing, and
it's getting a little late. But they're looking at that.
If they can find he accepted foreign money knowingly, they
can still remove him, believe it or not. Let's go
to Chipper and Stony Point. Chipper, how you doing, Hi, Mark,
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I just got I just like to know for your three.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh you can't pick three favorite it's impossibly recorded. No,
you can't think he couldn't do it. You know, when
I used to do the Sinatra Show, every great singer
in the world was a guest and I asked everyone
to pick their favorite Sinatra song. They never got the
same answer twice. There's a million, it's too bad albums.
We Small Hours of the Morning. I don't have favorites,
(20:03):
but his two best albums we Small Hours of the
Morning and Only the Lonely, Those are the two. If
you got to start somewhere, start with those two albums.
And obviously, I mean it's incredible body of work. One
hundred albums recorded, fourteen hundred songs. That's not the most albums,
(20:23):
by the way. The most Elefantcherald one hundred and sixty
six albums, but the all time record was Bing Crosby
two hundred albums over his career. Let's go to Richard
and Bay Shore. Richard. How you doing.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
I'm doing well, Mark. You know, Kansas City had free buses,
but now they've gone back to charging fares, and the
bus drivers were all for it. Because last you're like
thirty some other of them were assaulted when they had
a fair. It almost never happened. They had to hire
guards in Kansas City, and then they had to hire
armed guards, which court them millions of dollars. There's the
(21:00):
whole thing, you know, And I obviously, Yes, the homeless, the drunks,
the druggies, they use the bus as as their hangout.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, we know it doesn't work. It never works. It's
never worked anywhere. It's free stuff and affordability crisis. There
is one. It seems to only be in the Blue
cities where they have this affordability crisis. But one of
the reasons it's so expensive to live in New York.
It's like the greatest city in the world. It's really expensive.
You know, if you go to a west Chester you know, Scarsdale. Oh,
(21:31):
it's really expensive to live there. But you ever see
what it looks like. It's beautiful Mount Vernon not so expensive,
but you see what it looks like. It doesn't look
like Scarsdale. You have that everywhere. Go to that coffee
shop on the corner, not that expensive, but they walk
a block away and go into Tiffany's. Wooh, there's an
affordability crisis in there. But that's because it's good stuff. Hey,
(21:55):
when we come back, we'll get to Johnny Carson. The
Ultimate Definitive Book on Johnny Carson is out. We'll talk
to the author next on seven to ten. Wor get
Mark on demand by setting a preset for his podcast
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Now back to Mark Simone.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
On wor Well.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We love Johnny Carson, the greatest talk show host ever.
And there's a book out, a brand new book, the
Definitive Book on Johnny Carson, the Ultimate Book. There's been
some bad books, and this is the book on Johnny Carson.
It's out, it's already a bestseller. I urge you to
get the book. Hey, by the way, be a great
Christmas present for somebody. The book's called Love Johnny Carson.
(22:38):
You can get it on Amazon. It's a great book,
Love Johnny Carson. It's the real story, the whole story.
And it's by Mark Malkoff, who does the Carson podcast,
which has been on for Years's got a lot of
big devoted listeners. You should listen to that, to the
Carson Podcast. But the author of the new book, Love
Johnny Carson, Mark Malcoff.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
How you doing, Ark, I'm doing great. Nice to talk
to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Hey. It's a You've been on a book tour all
over the place promoting it. But you just went to
Johnny Carson's hometown, right, tell us about that.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I was in Norfolk Nebraska. They flew me out there.
I thought it was called Norfolk. They say Norfolk, but
I was in Johnny Carson's boyhood home. The owner invited
me over there and just to be in that space
and see where Johnny slept with his brother Dick, and
it was unbelievable. They had me sign autographed the living
room wall with other visitors. The Smothers brothers have been there,
(23:35):
Paul Riser, and they have a local museum, the Elkhorn
Valley Museum, with Johnny's awards as Emmy's costumes like art
Fernon Blabby And it was unbelievable just to be at
this place that made and shape Johnny Carson.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, when you stand there in the middle of Nebraska,
the Great Midwest, you realize how far this guy came
and what a journey he took.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
He did, I mean when he was seventeen, when he
graduated high school at seventeen, the first thing he did
was hitchhike to Los Angeles and he bought a star
map to the and went to Jack Benny's home and
waved it outside to see if Ben would come out,
which he didn't. But yeah, Johnny always had these ambitions
but Nebraska definitely shaped him, and just to be back
(24:19):
there and to talk to people that had Johnny's teacher,
Fay Gordon, who turned when she turned one hundred years old.
And then I think early the mid nineties, Johnny returned
back to Nebraska for her one hundred birthday. But I
talked to people that were older that had Johnny's teacher,
and Johnny, of course over there is like, I mean,
he's an icon to us, but back there, I mean
(24:39):
he's royalty and rightfully so. I mean he's donated so
much money and helped out with so many good causes.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Now, there was a guy that gave his first big
radio job in Nebraska, and as you point out, he
was so nice that guy. For the rest of his life.
He always helped the guy and met with him, right.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, Meryl Wurkhoven was his name, and he was in
Omaha and he got johnny Is really big first job
in radio and Omaha and Johnny kept in touch with
him for decades, would invite him to the Tonight show.
They'd go out to dinner at Johnny's one of Johnny's favorite,
the Palm in La And then when this gentleman Merrill,
(25:16):
who worked in radio.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
For something like thirty years in Nebraska.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
When his car broke down driving out to La Johnny
surprised him with a new car, a new Buick. And
when Johnny presented this to Merril Workoven, they both started crying.
I mean their daughter, his daughter, Melanie Workoven, was telling
me the story about being there. And yeah, Johnny had
very close friends, which I talked about in the book,
(25:40):
which to the media, you know, they said he was
cold and aloof But the people I talked to, the
four hundred people, I mean, you knew Johnny Carson, you
met him, they told me that he was not like that.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah. Well, he said, when you go to work, it's
called work. It's not fun. You got to be very
business like and you got to be a little cold
when you go to work. You're not there to have fun.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
And he would, Yeah, he would protect his energy too,
because he was He would only get there a couple
hours before the show because he didn't want to waste
his energy on a show day.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No lunches with people. I mean, for.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Most of his career he was doing at least ninety minutes,
if not an hour and forty five. And he was
just always exhausted, so he had to protect his energy,
which to hear the stories was just it's been unbelievable.
I mean, Bob Yucker was somebody that I talked to
on the Carson podcast for an hour. He was telling
me that the first time he went on the show
in like nineteen sixty nine, Johnny did not believe afterwards
(26:33):
that he was a real major league baseball player. He
thought he was so funny that he had to be
a comedian that was lying about being a major league
baseball player. And Johnny's staff had to show him articles
and just to hear those stories. I mean, Uker told
me they never used the pre interview. Uker, Buddy Hackett,
Don Rickles no pre interviews. I mean, he was effortless.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah. Hey, now everybody should get this book. You're gonna
love this book. It's just one fascinating chapter and story
after another. It's called Love Johnny Carson. Brand new book
by Mark Malkoff called Love Johnny Carson. Go order it now.
They taped the show every night, but in thirty years
did they ever stop a tape. They just never stopped
for any reason. Did they Very few times?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
The one time I remember is Dela Reese had a
stroke at an ant brain aneurysm. They stopped that almost never.
I think it was I think John Davidson kicked a
speaker and the something happened and they had to cancel
a taping. But Johnny liked to keep in the mistakes.
The mistakes were all part of the show. Like well,
for example, when Robert Guler John Davidson forgot the words
(27:38):
to a song, Johnny wouldn't let them stop tape. He said, no,
you're gonna get it, You're gonna figure it out. And
the audience loved it. And you know, it just made
these famous celebrities more endearing to the audience. But I
have to say, I want to tell people in the
New York City area one thing I do want to mention,
and you were just there, and I was there just
a day ago, is the Paley Center at fifty second
(27:59):
Street in New York's has Johnny Carson's actual desk chair.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The couch.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
It's unbelievable to sit there, and you can actually sit
in Johnny's chair from the set. But I know you
were there. I saw the photo, which is tremendous. But
every opportunity when I'm in Midtown. I try to stop
by the Paley Center.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, it's a wonderful place. If you check my Instagram,
you see a picture of me sitting in the Carson desk.
But it's over there at the Paley Center, which is
a wonderful museum on fifty second Street. Hey, there's things
that Johnny Carson did with traditions on the Tonight Show.
They're all gone now. They don't do them anymore, Like
having a guest host or a sidekick sitting next to you,
or a new comedian stand up comedian. How come that
(28:39):
all went away? They don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
I feel like the panel was the best part when
you would have these people like I don't know, Don
Rickles or Glenn Campbell and they start getting at it,
and there was just so much fun with those traditions.
I don't know why the shows have just deviated so
much from what worked. It doesn't make any sense to
me about that tradition. Yeah, it's just it's different. I mean,
(29:06):
I do like the fact that all the late night
hosts still talk about Johnny Carson with reverence, yet it's
not the same. I mean, I love and I hear
from people all across America that miss Johnny that go
to the official Johnny YouTube channel, and there's over a
million subs people that have subscribed to this YouTube channel,
and it's just amazing just to look at that body
of work.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But yeah, I really do wish they would have kept
some of those traditions.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well, you should also start listening to the Carson podcast.
Mark Malcoff did with like six hundred episodes of it
with every.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
We did a lot, and we have new episodes coming up.
Ed Shaughnessy, who's the drummer. We have his son I
talked to. I talked to a bunch of other people
that I wasn't able to get on the podcast. So
we're doing new episodes and we're gonna be doing some
events around the country. I was just in Chicago at
their Museum of Broadcasts and Communications. They have a late
night exhibit some Carson and Letterman items. So yeah, it's
(29:58):
been just incredible people miss Johnny. I thought Mark, I
really thought, like when talking to you, when we first
started talking and stuff, he didn't realize how many people
that around the country just missed Johnny as much as us.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
But they are all over the place.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, that's why I should get the book Love Johnny Carson,
big new, wonderful book about Johnny Carson, the real story,
and it'd be a great Christmas present. It's called Love
Johnny Carson. Now, I always preferred the New York Tonight
Show years. There was something better about it. But Carson
had a lot of trouble in New York, right, women drinking,
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah, he would talk about on The Tonight Show with
his struggle with alcohol. That was always a thing he
talked about. He would say he would have one more
drink than he should and he would turn into Attila
the Hunt. So he definitely had some tough times. Jillie's
and Ed McMahon would babysit him and make sure he
would get home. And he got in some trouble and
Frank Sinatra one time had to save his life.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I talk about that in the book. But I agree.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
I think the New York years with you know, Jimmy
Breslin and just I think that it was just such
a more en comt classy show, sophisticated show. I did
like when they during those first ten years when they
go out to Hollywood, because it would go off the
rails with you know, people like George Goebel and Dean Martin.
But I definitely think those first ten years from the
clips that I've seen, I think that those are stellar,
(31:16):
and those really hold up the footage that does exist.
Not a lot of it does, but when I've seen it.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, So it's a wonderful book. I'm telling you get
the book. You'll really love it. It's everything you ever
want to know about I knew everything there was to
know about Johnny Carson, but I could read this book
and find out fifty thousand things I didn't know. It's
got everything about Johnny Carson.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean Ed Eames.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
I mean I'm in but for at Beverly Hill is
sitting down with Ed Eames. He's in his nineties telling
me about he didn't know how to throw a tomahawk.
And I'm getting the actual story from the man himself,
the most famous Carson clip of all times. So we
put all the stories in. Talk to everyone that went
on the show, Johnny's staff, and I have to say,
I've heard from a lot of people that knew Johnny
and people at the Tonight show, and they open so
(32:00):
complimentary about me getting the story right, which I'm grateful
to hear. And you know, I've been, you know, working
on this for years and you've been such a great
support in helping me with the books.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I mean, you know so much about Late Night and Carson.
I didn't know. So I'm grateful to you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, everybody, get the book. Order it today. Order it now.
It's called Love Johnny Carson. It's on Amazon. It'd be
a good Christmas present too. Love Johnny Carson is the book.
Go order it and listen to the Carson Podcast. Start listening.
Mark Malkoff, thanks for being with us. We'll talk again soon.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Talk so thank you so much. Marca's the pleasure, take care,
Thank you, sure, thanks.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming up at noon
today right here on seven ten wor Mark.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Someimo the issues you really care about on seven ten wor.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Well, we're out of time, but don't go away. Buck
and Clay are next with an excellent show. I'll be
back tomorrow ten to noon or remember you can listen anytime.
Get the podcast. See you tomorrow on seven to ten
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