Ken interviews brand and digital specialist Fisher.

Fisher explains how you may soon carry your driver’s license and passport digitally on your phone, and how other countries are piloting digital identification as an alternative to physical documents.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now more of the marximone Show on seven to ten
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Had a good Friday to you seven ten wore the
Voice of New York and whether it's this morning is
a man who's on a TV show that I get
to do each day on the streaming channel on New Jersey.
Brand and digital specialist and strategist Fisher, who can be
found on X and threads with user name at Fisher
and through his website Fisher dot Media to talk about

(00:29):
digital ID and how iPhone users can add a digital
version of their passport to their iPhones and then, in
a very different version of the story, how the EU
and UK are requiring citizens there to have a very
different and much more potentially dangerous version of digital ID.
Good morning to you, Fisher, Good morning.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
A lot of pressure there, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Have too high a bar for you. So let's let's
let's talk about the practical and safe use of digital IDA.
And that's the Apple version. Apple has his really cool
feature now a digital ID for wallet.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, and Google has the same. And with both Apple
Wallet and Google Wallet, you can now load your passport
your your United States passport into this wallet and if
you've used Apple Pay, and if you're in the city,
you've used it probably on the subway rider buses with
omni So it's really easy, really simple. You double click
a button on the side of your watch or your phone,

(01:24):
you tap to pay. The idea is the same thing.
And what's great about this and it's you know, New
York has its driver's license in an app. At this point,
New Jersey's pass legislation to have their driver's license mobile,
Connecticut and Pennsylvania is still up in the air as
to where that is. Having your passport allows you to
go through the airport using an ID where you can

(01:46):
tap and if you've been to an airport lately, you
have your regular lines, you have your TSA pre check lines,
you have your clear you have all that, but there's
a digital ID line and normally they do facial recognition
and some people don't like that. They don't want the
government to take your picture, even though that they're deleted afterwards.
It's just verification. But now having your passport in your phone,
and most people have a passport in one way or another,

(02:09):
you can use that digital ID even if you don't
have a you're in a state New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania
that does not have a digital driver's license, so it's
really convenient. It's also a convenient backup right of you know,
say you're traveling and you lost it, you get to
a checkpoint, the airport, whatever, you could begin that process
of easily easily or easier verifying your identification. So it

(02:34):
really opens up now having it on Apple on the
iPhone and your Apple Watch, and having it in your
Google wallet, of being able to have a standard identification
that you can use at all these airports. And then
eventually what comes down the line is the ability to
verify your identity on your phone or your age. So
say you're ordering from Uber Eats and you need to

(02:56):
want to order a bottle of wine for Thanksgiving dinner
and you need to verify your age, you would be
able to do that eventually digitally. So again, you know,
I know what we're going to go into, but having
a digital version of your driver's license or a digital
version of your passport isn't as scary as what might

(03:16):
be going on in other countries where they're doing national
digital ideas.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Let me just remind folks, you're listening to seven ten
wore the Voice of New York Ken Rosotto and from
Mark Simone on a Friday, and we are speaking to Fisher,
who is a brand and digital strategist. We're talking about
having your passport now on your iPhone or your Android.
I found myself the other day. I had driven from
Jersey to visit folks in Westchester, and while I was

(03:40):
halfway there, I realized, oh my god, I left my
wallet at home. But I remembered I have my driver's
license in my phone, so at least rather than turning
around and going home, I just continued on my way.
And I also have a credit card on my phone,
so I could tap and use that, but being fifty eight,
like I still had a panic attack not having my wallet. Now.
We talked about this is the positive right when you

(04:01):
use your you have your license on your phone. In
New York, New Jersey, all they can do is have
access when I say they police or whatever if you've
gotten stopped, they only have access to the info on
your license with a tap.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Correct. Correct. So what happens is and eventually as this
becomes a standard right and digital IDs begin to roll
out across the state, right now, only twelve states and
Puerto Rico have a driver's license vailable in your Apple wallets.
Some other states, like I said, New York, Oklahoma, they
have their own app. But eventually what will happen is
you go to We'll start easy. You go to a

(04:36):
bar or a restaurant and again need to verify ID
whether you're to get in or at the bar. You
would just tap your ID to a reader and it
would only give the information needed. So if your pictures
say that you're over twenty one whatever, that is right.
If you get pulled over by an officer, you they
would have a reader on them. I know there's a
lot of skepticism of well, don't hand your the police

(04:59):
officer your phone. Absolutely, don't hand anybody your phone. But
what they will eventually have is just a reader, probably
a small little you know, reader on their vest or
on a clipboard or something, and you'll just tap. It'll
only show the information that they need.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Obviously, as a police officer, they will probably have your picture,
date of birth, you know, driver's license class, you know
whether you can drive an eighteen wheel or motorcycle, et cetera.
There'll probably be some information and when you go to TSA,
same thing. When you tap your phone, it'll give the
information needed to verify. You know, it's a real ID,
your again, your picture, your name, all of that, right

(05:33):
to match your ticket. So yes, it is a permission based,
you know, kind of identification. So you you only show
the information that that because we had.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Talked about that in the best is. My fear was, oh,
you hand your officer the phone and now he could
go through and he'll find something. Well, what's that and
you say that can't happen. You do not hand them
the phone. It's just a tap. They would have a reader,
just like restaurants have a reader when you go to peg.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Right, yeah, and it's right that or some I'm not
as familiar with the with Google as I am Apple,
because as you know, I'm an Apple fanboy, but I
have Express Transit, so I tap when I go to
the subway. But sometimes you have to double tap, you know,
or double click on the side of your phone and
then tap that way, depending on how you have your
phone set up. It's the same thing. And when you

(06:18):
go to TSA with your passport on your iOS or
Google device, Android device, same thing, you would double tap
or double click your phone, it would show the ID,
you tap it to their reader and then you wait
for you know, to verify, and then you walk through TSA.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
And we have two minutes left. So I'm just giving
your heads up on that. You are listening to seven
ten w R the Voice of New York kens In
from Mark on a Friday with Fisher who is a
digital strategist, and Fisher talk about the difference between the
digital ID we're talking about here in the US and
now the digital ID which gives me the creeps, the
big brother version that they have in the EU and
in UK exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So in Britain they are doing a mandatory digital ID
system by twenty twenty nine. There's saying it's to combat
illegal working and deter migrants, but it's going to serve
as your proof of right to work. It's going to
eventually be a way that you can get insurance, buy
a house, renting property, opening a bank account, all of that.
And as you know you might have heard in China

(07:15):
they use they have social credits, right, so if you
do something or say something, you can be restricted from
gaining access to something. That's what Britain's going down the path.
To is you may not be able to ride the tube,
or you may not be able to take a plane
because you wouldn't be able to get through you know,
their version of TSA. It is going down a path
of big brother and that again is in the UK.

(07:37):
It is not the same as digital driver's license or
your passport on your phone that we have here in
the United States.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Something that something tells me the mom Donnis of the
world wish it could go that way though.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I would, Yes, I'm sure it would, but it would
be in England. It's more like you're on a college
campus and you have your idea and you tap it
to go everywhere and get into everything. It's that same
premise compared to what we have here in the United States,
which is not that.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, and then your ID gets stolen in Britain and
then you your screw.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, and if that's right, and we talked about that,
if that's a way for you to access your bank
account and that ID accesses everything, if that does get
you know, hacked in some way in Britain, that can
cause a lot of problems because that's one ID for
everything that's bad.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
All right, Well, I love talking to you all. The time,
because you are the man in the no brand and
digital strategist Fisher, who can be found on x on
threads with user name at Fisher and through his website
Fisher dot Media, which by the way, I have checked out.
It's very cool. Thank you for coming on this morning. Fisher.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Thanks talk to Lark.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
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