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This is a podcast from wor.Here again is Larry Minty with the WOOR
Saturday Morning Show. Good morning,and welcome to Saturday Morning. Coming up
on today's show, was it anendorsement or wasn't it? We'll talk with
USA National political correspondent David Jackson,who wrote an article titled making sense of
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Nicky Haley's kind of sort of Trumpendorsement. We'll ask him if Haley has
a place in the Trump administration.And did you know there's another move by
Texas to secede from the Union andpart of Oregon wants to secede from that
state. There are more moves tosecede now than at any time since the
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Civil War era. We'll talk withNBC correspondent Erin Reale, who has been
covering it all. But first,a look back at the week that was.
The week started with shocking video ofP Diddy beating his former girlfriend and
Cassie and then dragging her down ahotel hallway. The Statute of Limitations has
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expired on that crime, but PDiddy released a video apologizing and I made
no excuses. My behavior on thatvideo is inexcusable. I take full responsibility
for my ashes in that video.P Diddy, whose birth name is Sean
Combs, is facing a federal investigationon sex trafficking and several abuse lawsuits from
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other past girlfriends. In two words, he's finished. And what about that
key to the city that Mayor Adamsgave Didty last year? Is the mayor
going to take it back? There'sa process, there's a panel. They're
going to look over it. They'regonna make a recommendation to me. We're
going to take the next steps.That was a big story this week.
But the whole thing is silly.The key to the city is symbolic.
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It's fake. You don't need toget it back. You just announce that
you're rescinding it, mister mayor,or just do nothing. Seriously, who
really cares? The investigation continues intosuspected serial killer Rex Huerman. Investigators were
back at his home this week.I mean, they keep on finding new
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evidence. I hope this leads tothe rest of the girls being found.
I mean, I can't believe thatthey're still looking What else could they possibly
be looking for at this point.Hureman is charged with killing four women,
but is a suspect in several othermurders and helicopter crash killed Iranian President Abrahim
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Raisi and US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austinquickly came to the podium and said,
we had nothing to do with it. The United States had no part to
play in that crash, and sothat's a fact plane in something. There
were reports in Iran that the UnitedStates was somehow involved in the crash that
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happened in the mountains in thick fog, but they always blame the US for
everything. And the International Criminal Courtgot some headlines by issuing an arrest warrant
for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natyahoo forwar crimes. President Biden's response, we
reject the ICC's application for rest warrantsagainst Israel as leading. Whatever these warrants
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may imply, there's no criminals betweenIsrael and a'mas. In truth, the
International Criminal Court has been a jokesince its inception. It is a judicial
entity that claims international power and hasno enforcement arm. They issue warrants and
seemingly never have trials, and well, well, well guess who's going to
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vote for Donald Trump for president?Former Trump opponent Nikki Haley. Trump has
not been perfect on these policies.I have made that clear many times,
but Biden has been a catastrophe,so I will be voting for Trump.
This was bound to happen. Ipromise you that Ambassador Haley's staff has been
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negotiating for a role with the Trumpadministration. It won't be for vice president,
but I'm not sure she even wantsthat. She wants secretary of State.
Expect Trump and Haley to appear onstage together, either at or right
before the Republican National Convention, andthis will make you feel good about having
to pay the congestion pricing expected thisyear. The MTA is losing seven hundred
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million dollars a year on those whorefuse to pay their fares for buses and
trains. MTA chair Jano Lieber blamesthe pandemic. What happened seems to have
happened is people got out of thehabit of paying during COVID, when we
close the front door to protect thebus operators, let everybody get on the
back and not pay, right,that's it. Of course, it's not
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the fact that you don't enforce thefair laws or prosecute anyone. Yeah,
it must be the pandemic from fouryears ago. Just stop get your act
together and stop shaking down your customers. That's why I'm so glad that New
Jersey Congressman Josh Gottdheimer and New JerseyCongressman Anthony Diesposito are introducing legislation to get
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a look at the MTA's books.We want transparency, we want accountability and
accessibility. Good for the congressmen,and it's embarrassing that the MTA has been
able to continue to hike prices wayup with little accountability. And for the
first time in eight years, DonaldTrump campaigned in the Bronx. I'm here
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tonight to declare that we are goingto turn New York City around, and
we are going to turn it aroundvery, very quickly. Recent polls have
shown Trump within striking distance of JoeBiden in this very blue state of New
York and winning substantially more black andLatino voters than he won in twenty twenty.
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And it's Fleet Week in New YorkCity. Folks in the city to
learn about what their CEA service,sailors, marines and coastcarmer are doing around
the world every day to protect ourfreedom. It's an education campaign, it's
an engagement campaign. And hopefully itbuilt some excitement. That's Admiral Daryl Caudle,
one of over twenty three hundred sailorsand servicemen and women in the city
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this week. Welcome to New Yorkand thank you for keeping us safe.
Still to come. Now that NickiHaley has said she's going to vote for
Trump, what's next? Was thatan endorsement? And will Haley be part
of the Trump administration? We'll askDavid Jackson, national political correspondent for USA
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Today. That's next. Here againis Larry Minty with the WR Saturday Morning
Show. This week, former Republicanpresidential candidate Nicky Haley announced publicly that she's
going to vote for Donald Trump forpresident, but she seemed to fall short
of endorsing Trump and said he's goingto have to work hard to win over
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her voters. What is Haley anglingfor? Let's talk with David Jackson,
national political correspondent for USA Today,who wrote an article titled making sense of
Nicky Haley's kind of sort of Trumpendorsement. David, thanks so much for
joining us. I know you wrotetwo articles about Nicky Haley announcing she was
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going to vote for Trump for USAToday. But as I said, I
love the headline that topped one ofthe articles making sense of Nicky Haley's kind
of sort of Trump endorsement, Somake sense of it for us. Well,
there's some question as to whether itwas even an endorsement or not,
including a debate within the Trump campaignabout what she did. But basically the
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way she handled it was she announcedshe was going to vote for Trump,
but she stressed that she still feltthe same way she did when she withdrew
from the race, and that isthat Trump has to persuade her voters that
he is worthy of the job,and she's not going to really particularly help
him with that. All she saidwas she's going to vote for Trump because
Biden is so bad, but it'sup to him to get the rest of
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her voters. So, David,if it wasn't an endorsement, do you
think one's coming. Will you seeTrump and Haley arms raised hands together on
a stage either before or after theRepublican Convention or doing well, that's a
good question, but I'm thinking probablynot. I don't think we'll see a
whole heck of a lot of NickyHaley, at least on the stump for
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Trump this fall. I think we'llsee her more giving policy speeches like the
one she gave the other day,because there's just a lot of friction between
those two. There's a lot offriction between their staffs. I think they've
been tried and set up a meetingbetween the two principles ever since Haley pulled
out, but there's really been nointerest in it. Trump has yet to
call Haley or vice versa. SoI just think there's a lot of bad
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feelings left over from the primary.So no, I don't think we'll see
Haley on the stump for Trump thisfall, and I'm not sure we'll see
her at the convention. That's oneof the big questions we'd have going into
that July meeting in Milwaukee. Wouldn'tthat really hurt her with the Republican Party
and wouldn't it hurt her political future? Well, there had been damaged even
worse if she hadn't said anything aboutTrump. I mean, she was under
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a lot of pressure to say somethingabout the the nominee in waiting, and
as you mentioned, she's very interestedin running for preisdent herself in twenty twenty
eight. It would be hard todo that as an anti Trump person regardless
of what happens. So in someways she had to make peace with at
least with the Trump voters, soshe decided to go this route. I
don't think this requires an appearance atthe convention necessarily, and in fact,
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I'm not sure Trump even wants herat the convention, So I don't really
think that that has anything to dowith her future. I think she's already
done what she has to do inorder to be viable for twenty twenty eight.
Well do you really believe that,because I would think that she would
have to be at the convention,and I think it helps Trump end her
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if they can mend fences somehow,or at least give appearances of mending fences.
But it's incredible that you think maybenot, maybe not. I know
a lot of people close to Trumphave said the same thing to him,
and some of some Republican donors havesaid the same thing to Haley, that
they need to try to figure outa way to get together, and as
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who knows what the future holes,we could well see them together sometime down
the line. But you know,Trump had a meeting. Trump had a
meeting with Ron DeSantis, who wasin a similar situation at Haley. He
had a meeting, but it wasall private a couple of weeks ago in
Florida's And there's no indication that theSantis is going to be at the convention
or speak at the convention, ofcourse, or campaign for Trump. It's
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all been doing. He's been doingprivate work with funs. So it's really
a frosty It's a tricky It's atricky line to navigate because Trump is mad
at both of those people who ranagainst them, and of course the two
people who did run against them aremad at Trump because of all the attacks
that he made on them. Soit's a fine line to walk. We're
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talking with David Jackson, who coversnational politics in the White House for USA
Today. You're, actually, Davidjust kind of shocking me because I always
thought there was some negotiations going onbehind the scene, and I thought this
was the first step in the twoof them getting together. I always believe
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that she's never going to be vicepresident, but I thought she would want
secretary of State. But you don'tsee her in a Trump cabinet at all,
and I don't know how she cansurvive those four years out of the
public spotlight and then expect to runfor president. Well that's a good question,
I mean, and like I couldbe wrong for this. I mean,
I'm certain she'd love to be Secretaryof State. I wonder though,
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if she thinks that's in the cards, given the personal relationship that she has
with Trump and the two sides havetalked to each other. And also,
I want to make it clear,I'm not sure Haley will speak at the
convention. I do expect her toshow up because she is a Republican and
she has future designs. So thequestion is will she have a speaking role
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at the convention and how prominent mightthat speaking role be. But in terms
of serving with the Trump administration,I just don't know. I just don't
see it at the cards right now. Of course, that could all change
depending on how the campaign unfolds.But I think it's important to remember that
what I've been told by people whoare supportive of Haley is that she wants
to position herself as the I toldyou so candidate. So whereas if Trump
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loses this general election, she'll bein a position to say, see,
this is what happened when you nominatedhim, or even if he wins the
election and struggles during his second term, she'll also be in a position to
say I told you so. Sothere's a lot of questions. Is that
whether it would help or her herto actually join the Trump campaign or the
Trump administration if it happens. Yeah, I think you're right about her not
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speaking at the convention unless she endorsesTrump. He's not going to let her
speak without an endorsement, So Ithink you're absolutely right about that. Let
me ask you about one of thethings, because we are in New York
City. Did Donald Trump rally inthe Bronx What did you think of that?
You know, that was planned lastweek at a time when we thought
that the jury would be out deliberatingthe verdict. And I think that they
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scheduled that event because they knew thatTrump was going to have to be in
New York anyway, because they expectedthe jury to be deliberating, and I
think some people saw that it's possiblythe first post verdict event. Well,
the judge delayed the final arguments inthe trial, so all of that went
away. Trump's schedule court schedule totallychanged this week, so but he was
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still left with the committed event inthe Bronx, but it was more convenient
for him to campaign in New YorkCity. I don't think it's any more
complicated than that. He was goingto be stuck there for the trial.
So all along they'd been sticking upevent for him to do in New York
easy travel. You know, hevisited a bodega I guess in Harlem about
a month ago, and then theycooked up this event in the Bronx and
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it was an economic hit, alot of economic problems in that part of
the city. So it all foldedtogether for him. But I don't think
it means too much in the longrun, because I think he's going to
really struggle to take New York Statein the general election. Oh no,
absolutely, But I was surprised atthe crowd. There were a lot of
Hispanics and blacks, and as weknow from the polls, he's making some
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inroads there. It was also astar comparison between him and then that President
Biden press conferences meeting with the Presidentof Kenya. There's this theory out there
that President Biden could be replaced beforethe convention, especially if he has an
awful debate next month. Do youthink that's possible at all, and the
Democrats might have an open convention.No now, none less, there's a
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health issue involving the president. Nowhe's going to be nominated. I mean,
all things being equally, he's goingto be nominated regardless of what happens
in Atlanta. David, thank youso much for your time. Hoope you
have a great holiday weekend, youtoo, sir, Thank you very much.
David Jackson, national political correspondent forUSA Today. Still to come on
Saturday morning. Why does everyone wantto secede? All of this sudden?
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More states, counties, and citiesare talking about seceding, more than any
time since the Civil War. What'sgoing on? We'll talk with correspondent Aaron
Real who has been covering this storyfor NBC, and I'll have some final
words on the growing number of oldschool Liberals and Democrats who are disenchanted with
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the president. That's still to come. Here's Larry Minting with more of the
WR Saturday Morning Show. Texas isagain taking a vote to secede from the
Union. The eastern half of Oregonwants to secede and join the state of
Idaho, and of course Staten Islandhas been talking about seceding from New York
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City. For what is going onand is all that even possible? Correspondent
Erin Real, who has been coveringall of this for NBC, joins us
Hi. Erin, good to talkto you again. There's probably some people
that don't wake up every morning likewe do that early, so they don't
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realize Erin is on every weekday morningon the first morning News, which comes
on before Len and Michael, andshe always has fascinating topics. This week
the topic was, as I explained, just a couple of moments ago,
secession seceeding from a state seceding fromthe country. And there's lots of different
types. Let's start with the onethat's in the news now. Erin.
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It's called the Idaho Movement. Explainwhat that is. Yes, so there
are tens of thousands of rural andconservative eastern Oregon residents. They're very frustrated
with their liberal urban neighbors to thewest and they want to move. They
want to move to Idahl. It'scalled the Greater Idaho Movement, as you
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mentioned, and the shift would actuallymove Oregon's two hundred miles that it borders
on the west with Idaho to Idaho, they would become a part of it.
This secession effort, particularly it alignswith the conservative farmers there, the
ranchers, the logging communities. They'remuch more like minded to their neighbors in
the east, which is why theywant to do this. It's a ballot
initiative and it's just the latest inthis very long line of efforts that many
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states have gone through. Most haveamounted to no more than bumper stickers and
slogans. But we had the stateof Jefferson, which was a proposal in
northern California. You had Vermont,you had Texas, Northern Colorado wanted to
become a part of Wyoming. Thelist goes on and on, and what
they all have in common is thatthey all failed. And one of the
reasons that they fail is because,like, let's take Oregon. If you
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look at a map and you lookat where they're talking about, it's half
of Oregon. Ye, yes,yes, And listen. It's really interesting
because if you're asking, like,legally, can a state succeede? Short
answer, no, no, itcannot. The United States Constitution does not
allow states to secede from the unions. There is a path for which a
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state can become a member of theUnion. But in eighteen sixty nine there
was a Supreme Court case. Itwas Texas versus White and it ruled that
no state can secede. And thenin two thousand and six, Supreme Court
Justice Anton Scalia said that the CivilWar settled any constitutional issues regarding the right
to secede, that being that thereare no constitutional rights to secede, and
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the point being that if you wantto do this, you're going to find
yourself in mountains of trouble because frankly, it's an active war against the United
States. So this is why it'snever really been successful. And then beyond
that, the bigger question, ifyou talk to constitutional scholars, it's,
oh, well, can you actuallyhave a state that absorbs with another?
And the reason this has never happenedlike you have with the Idaho and Oregon
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situation is because logistically it's a nightmare. And beyond that, if you really
look at the numbers, most peopledon't want to do it. Well,
it's because, like, for instance, let's take Oregon. Let's stay with
Oregon for a second. Even thoughit's a huge land mass of the state,
it's not a populated area, allthe population is against the Pacific Coast.
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So if this goes to a referendum, it goes to a vote,
they're going to lose. But let'sjust say they win. Let's just say
one of these states win. Let'ssay it's a big blue city in the
middle of a red state and theywant to secede. Even then, it's
difficult to do. Even then,there are are in some things they have
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to go through that make it impossible, right close to impossible, which is
why you've never seen it done.And also, listen, most people,
in spite of the fact that youknow that it's a loud minority the clamor
for this, if you look atit statistically, most of those residents you'd
prefer to move yourself and move theborders. It's just easier. And yes,
people like do they sort themselves intolike minded communities. There's no question
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that there's self segregation. Listen,we saw it with recent migrations following the
pandemic, where people moved to Texasand to Florida. We saw it in
the fifties and sixties with white flight. And now you're even having representatives like
Marjorie Taylor Green, She said,we need a national divorce, we need
to separate red and blue states.Many would say that it's a profoundly un
American statement, that that's not thepoint, and actually the Constitution would say
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that it's not an American either.But the idea that you know, scholars
who really study secession efforts, ifyou look at places like the former USSR,
they see that these US based movementsare pretty lightweight stuff. Now,
all of that said, they doacknowledge that it's gaining creeping momentum. People
talk about this more and more,particularly in times of strife and particularly coming
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out of the pandemic. Is thislikely to happen? There's a reason we've
never seen it happen. Now.Can the Constitution be amended? Yep,
that's the whole point. It's aliving, breathing body. There was prohibition
and then there was not. Thingscan be amended. But it doesn't mean
that it's easy or that most peoplewant it. Right now, let's just
take Oregon for a second. I'llstay with that, and I want to
move on. I specifically want totalk about Staten Island because that's of interest
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to the people that are listening inthe New York area. But in Oregon,
you know, they're not talking aboutleaving the union, so it's not
it's not a constitutional matter. Butthey still would have to get a approval
from both Oregon and Idaho the legislatures, and then it would go to Congress,
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so they would have to get approvalfrom three different bodies to make this
happen, no matter what the referendumdoes. So exactly, yeah, that's
really that's really difficult. That bringsus to Staten Island. So here we
have Staten Island that keeps trying toleave the city and can't. What do
you make of that? And willthey ever be able to do that?
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So listen, I don't know thedeep, deep specific of how this referendum
is going in Staten Island. Andwe know it's been clamored about for it,
Like I'm forty years old and I'vebeen hearing about it since as long
as I can recover, So thishas always been something. There's also been
discussions in upstate New York that thatwants to seceed from its downstate neighbors.
Now, the interesting part about StatenIsland is that it wants to secede from
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the city of New York more sothan like the state of New York.
There's some people that want different things, and a lot of this comes down
to like people meeting at Starbucks andgetting excited having most people vote on this,
and if you look at the numbers, the polling numbers, again and
again, most people don't want it. There is a large minority that do,
and they are entitled to their opinionand they're entitled to move the ball
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forward as much as they want.But there's reasons why we vote here and
why you know, if you're doinga vote a majority vote, most in
a district don't want it. Theylive there for a reason. And again,
it's much easier to move yourself inthe borders. But the staten island
one, I believe, if thisis the most recent iteration of it,
they want to leave New York City, not this of New York. Right,
and again you were as your pointon nineteen forty nine, nineteen eighty
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nine, nineteen ninety three. They'vedone this, They've tried several times.
The closest they got arin was innineteen ninety three when the referendum passed with
sixty five percent of the vote.But they you know, then it has
to be passed by the city counciland the state Assembly, and so it's
a democratic state. They're not lettingthe Republican borough do what they want.
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So it's failed, and it's goingto fail every time. But it's coming
up again. That brings us toTexas. Texas is talking again this year
about trying to secede from the Union, and I what do you make of
that? They know they can't dothat. Well, they can, but
they'd be declaring more on the USdepending on how far they get it,
unless there is an amendment written intothe constitution. So there's like order of
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operations here. And I'm not aconstitutional scholar, and if you have a
profound, keen interest in this,it would be interesting to talk to one
who has had a lot of I'mjust reporting on the data that we know
is true and on the facts ofthe case as we've seen them thus far.
And what we know is that Texasefforts. Make no mistake, Texas
haceeded from Mexico once and we wentto war over it, you know,
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and Mexico lost, and then wehave Texas. Texas has always done this.
But there is a reason it neverreally comes to fruition. And while
a lot of people in Texas WANTAE, if you look at the polling numbers,
again, most don't. It isa large minority, and it is
it's not insignificant. It's about likesome say that it's a third. Depending
on where you are, it's evenhigher. But it's probably not going to
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work. Also, Texas does getfederal dollars, and you think you want
something until you're there. Look atBrexit. I always use that as an
example. Like, right after Brexithappened in Great Britain, the number one
Google thing was what is Brexit?And you're like, you, guys,
you should have figured this out.Beoplere are voting the idea of being like,
there's a lot that comes from this, many much good, much very
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very bad, and you're entitled toas a citizen move BALLID initiatives forward.
But it the reason that this happenedhasn't happened thus far is because it's very
difficult, and it would, ultimately, depending on how far it went,
be a declaration of war against theUnited States, and Texas has looked around
and been like, maybe we don'twant it that bad. See here's the
problem. I have Aaron and wecan wrap this up with this. You
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know, as you know, there'sa political divide in this country, and
that keeps getting wider, and itseems to keep getting angrier. I believe
these calls for secession are purely political, but as and I think Marjorie Taylor
Green represents a lot of people inthis country who are angry about the way
things are going or the way theirstates are going. Is that a legitimate
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concern that there are people out therethat say, yes, we're going to
separate. You talked about this asecond ago. You know that that's another
civil war. We're far from that, right. It's a big question.
You just asked. I want tomake everyone feel good. I'd like to
think so, yes, but Idon't know, and I don't have a
crystal ball, And it is noquestion that things are simmering. I think
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that the pandemic really brought a lotof this to the forefront because you were
able to see how much power stateshave over the citizen's rights. And that's
why you saw all of these flightto different states. And we even had
ray Dally a Bridgewater had a Bridgewater, the private equity firm and investment firm.
He said, that he thinks civilwar is possible, but then he
also caveated it with like, oh, but civil war in the sense that
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people will move, no guns,they'll move to places they want. Yet
you could always do that. Youcould always move to a state that aligns
with your interests. Do I thinka civil war is imminent? No?
Do I think every single empire that'sever existed, as far as we have
the historical records, has fallen.Yes, so it's not impossible. But
I would not sit here on radiobroadcast to X amount of people and say,
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Yep, it's no. I don'tknow. No one does either.
Do I think it's politically hot outthere? For sure? Do I think
this election is bumming people out?Yep, but I don't know when and
if it will happen. Really well, said, thank you so much,
Aaron Reel, I got. I'mglad I had more time to talk to
you about this. Thanks so much. Have a great Memorial Day weekend.
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Likewise, Larry NBC correspondent Aaron Real, who you can hear every morning on
the first morning news anchored by yourstruly now more of the wor Saturday Morning
Show and Larry Minty welcome back andnow some final thoughts. A lot is
being made about recent polls that JoeBiden is losing support among Democrats. The
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truth is that Democratic voters never reallywanted Biden as president. The party has
always wanted him and propped him up. And some tough news this afternoon for
President Joe Biden from inside his ownparty. Seventy five percent of Democrats say
they want someone other than Biden toget the twenty twenty four nomination, But
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the Democratic Party ignored what the voterswanted and stuck with Biden, an elderly
man who has trouble putting words together. See if you can make out what
he is saying here during his speechto Moorhouse College last week. After I
signed the Pack Pack Act into law, I hand at the pen that I
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signed it with an addition, themost personal is responsible for the legislation.
In many ways, It's sad there'sno real excitement among Democrats about the Biden
campaign because they feel as if he'sbeing forced on them. Biden has a
difficult time filling a conference room,while Trump can pack a beach in Wildwood,
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New Jersey with one hundred thousand people. I love New Jersey and I'm
thrilled to be back right here inthe Garden State. Even for long time
progressive Democrats, it's hard not tonotice the difference when you see Trump speak
for over an hour in Wildwood flawlessly. He's almost the same age as Biden.
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But Biden presents as old, yeah, ancient. He does not look
old. No, it doesn't.He does not present as old. Yeah.
I mean he's like kiss. Heputs on the wig and the face
paint and it's nineteen seventy six allover again. It's not the party anymore
of old school liberals like Bill Maher, and that's why Democratic operatives won him
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so much. Biden is a vesselthey can use to change America into a
woke experiment where the border is open, criminals are victims, and most importantly,
the US Treasury is their ATM.A two trillion dollar COVID relief bill
that had a small percentage of moneyfor actual COVID relief, and a trillion
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dollar infrastructure bill with a small percentagefor actual infrastructure projects. You can call
it a number of things. Buildback broke, build back bs, Biden's
bankruptcy blueprint, Bernie's budget, bailout. But it doesn't matter what you call
it, because it is still absolutecrap Florida Congresswoman Kat Chemick. But that's
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not to say that the Democrats won'tdump Biden if they think he can't win,
and it's sure starting to look thatway. Consider the June twenty seventh
debate on CNN as an audition forBiden to keep his job. It's interesting
they've chosen the first one to bein June, which is really early,
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and some people have speculated, isare they doing that in case he fails?
There's plenty of time to have anso called open convention and have a
new kendidate. That's Jim Kennedy,former senior advisor to President Bill Clinton.
Yes, the Democratic Party got whatthey wanted from Biden, and now that
they may not be able to usehim anymore, it might be time for
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a new puppet. That wraps upSaturday Morning for this week. Thanks so
much for listening. I'll be backon Monday with Len Berman and Michael Riedle
in the morning from six to ten, right after the first morning News.
Enjoy your weekend, and please rememberthe real meaning of Memorial Day. Men
and women died for our freedom.The least we can do is take a
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day to memorialize them properly. Thishas been a podcast from wor
This is a podcast from wor.Here again is Larry Minty with the WOOR
Saturday Morning Show. Good morning,and welcome to Saturday Morning. Coming up
on today's show, was it anendorsement or wasn't it? We'll talk with
USA National political correspondent David Jackson,who wrote an article titled making sense of
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Nicky Haley's kind of sort of Trumpendorsement. We'll ask him if Haley has
a place in the Trump administration.And did you know there's another move by
Texas to secede from the Union andpart of Oregon wants to secede from that
state. There are more moves tosecede now than at any time since the
(00:44):
Civil War era. We'll talk withNBC correspondent Erin Reale, who has been
covering it all. But first,a look back at the week that was.
The week started with shocking video ofP Diddy beating his former girlfriend and
Cassie and then dragging her down ahotel hallway. The Statute of Limitations has
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expired on that crime, but PDiddy released a video apologizing and I made
no excuses. My behavior on thatvideo is inexcusable. I take full responsibility
for my ashes in that video.P Diddy, whose birth name is Sean
Combs, is facing a federal investigationon sex trafficking and several abuse lawsuits from
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other past girlfriends. In two words, he's finished. And what about that
key to the city that Mayor Adamsgave Didty last year? Is the mayor
going to take it back? There'sa process, there's a panel. They're
going to look over it. They'regonna make a recommendation to me. We're
going to take the next steps.That was a big story this week.
But the whole thing is silly.The key to the city is symbolic.
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It's fake. You don't need toget it back. You just announce that
you're rescinding it, mister mayor,or just do nothing. Seriously, who
really cares? The investigation continues intosuspected serial killer Rex Huerman. Investigators were
back at his home this week.I mean, they keep on finding new
(02:15):
evidence. I hope this leads tothe rest of the girls being found.
I mean, I can't believe thatthey're still looking What else could they possibly
be looking for at this point.Hureman is charged with killing four women,
but is a suspect in several othermurders and helicopter crash killed Iranian President Abrahim
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Raisi and US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austinquickly came to the podium and said,
we had nothing to do with it. The United States had no part to
play in that crash, and sothat's a fact plane in something. There
were reports in Iran that the UnitedStates was somehow involved in the crash that
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happened in the mountains in thick fog, but they always blame the US for
everything. And the International Criminal Courtgot some headlines by issuing an arrest warrant
for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Natyahoo forwar crimes. President Biden's response, we
reject the ICC's application for rest warrantsagainst Israel as leading. Whatever these warrants
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may imply, there's no criminals betweenIsrael and a'mas. In truth, the
International Criminal Court has been a jokesince its inception. It is a judicial
entity that claims international power and hasno enforcement arm. They issue warrants and
seemingly never have trials, and well, well, well guess who's going to
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vote for Donald Trump for president?Former Trump opponent Nikki Haley. Trump has
not been perfect on these policies.I have made that clear many times,
but Biden has been a catastrophe,so I will be voting for Trump.
This was bound to happen. Ipromise you that Ambassador Haley's staff has been
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negotiating for a role with the Trumpadministration. It won't be for vice president,
but I'm not sure she even wantsthat. She wants secretary of State.
Expect Trump and Haley to appear onstage together, either at or right
before the Republican National Convention, andthis will make you feel good about having
to pay the congestion pricing expected thisyear. The MTA is losing seven hundred
(04:40):
million dollars a year on those whorefuse to pay their fares for buses and
trains. MTA chair Jano Lieber blamesthe pandemic. What happened seems to have
happened is people got out of thehabit of paying during COVID, when we
close the front door to protect thebus operators, let everybody get on the
back and not pay, right,that's it. Of course, it's not
(05:03):
the fact that you don't enforce thefair laws or prosecute anyone. Yeah,
it must be the pandemic from fouryears ago. Just stop get your act
together and stop shaking down your customers. That's why I'm so glad that New
Jersey Congressman Josh Gottdheimer and New JerseyCongressman Anthony Diesposito are introducing legislation to get
(05:29):
a look at the MTA's books.We want transparency, we want accountability and
accessibility. Good for the congressmen,and it's embarrassing that the MTA has been
able to continue to hike prices wayup with little accountability. And for the
first time in eight years, DonaldTrump campaigned in the Bronx. I'm here
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tonight to declare that we are goingto turn New York City around, and
we are going to turn it aroundvery, very quickly. Recent polls have
shown Trump within striking distance of JoeBiden in this very blue state of New
York and winning substantially more black andLatino voters than he won in twenty twenty.
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And it's Fleet Week in New YorkCity. Folks in the city to
learn about what their CEA service,sailors, marines and coastcarmer are doing around
the world every day to protect ourfreedom. It's an education campaign, it's
an engagement campaign. And hopefully itbuilt some excitement. That's Admiral Daryl Caudle,
one of over twenty three hundred sailorsand servicemen and women in the city
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this week. Welcome to New Yorkand thank you for keeping us safe.
Still to come. Now that NickiHaley has said she's going to vote for
Trump, what's next? Was thatan endorsement? And will Haley be part
of the Trump administration? We'll askDavid Jackson, national political correspondent for USA
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Today. That's next. Here againis Larry Minty with the WR Saturday Morning
Show. This week, former Republicanpresidential candidate Nicky Haley announced publicly that she's
going to vote for Donald Trump forpresident, but she seemed to fall short
of endorsing Trump and said he's goingto have to work hard to win over
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her voters. What is Haley anglingfor? Let's talk with David Jackson,
national political correspondent for USA Today,who wrote an article titled making sense of
Nicky Haley's kind of sort of Trumpendorsement. David, thanks so much for
joining us. I know you wrotetwo articles about Nicky Haley announcing she was
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going to vote for Trump for USAToday. But as I said, I
love the headline that topped one ofthe articles making sense of Nicky Haley's kind
of sort of Trump endorsement, Somake sense of it for us. Well,
there's some question as to whether itwas even an endorsement or not,
including a debate within the Trump campaignabout what she did. But basically the
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way she handled it was she announcedshe was going to vote for Trump,
but she stressed that she still feltthe same way she did when she withdrew
from the race, and that isthat Trump has to persuade her voters that
he is worthy of the job,and she's not going to really particularly help
him with that. All she saidwas she's going to vote for Trump because
Biden is so bad, but it'sup to him to get the rest of
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her voters. So, David,if it wasn't an endorsement, do you
think one's coming. Will you seeTrump and Haley arms raised hands together on
a stage either before or after theRepublican Convention or doing well, that's a
good question, but I'm thinking probablynot. I don't think we'll see a
whole heck of a lot of NickyHaley, at least on the stump for
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Trump this fall. I think we'llsee her more giving policy speeches like the
one she gave the other day,because there's just a lot of friction between
those two. There's a lot offriction between their staffs. I think they've
been tried and set up a meetingbetween the two principles ever since Haley pulled
out, but there's really been nointerest in it. Trump has yet to
call Haley or vice versa. SoI just think there's a lot of bad
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feelings left over from the primary.So no, I don't think we'll see
Haley on the stump for Trump thisfall, and I'm not sure we'll see
her at the convention. That's oneof the big questions we'd have going into
that July meeting in Milwaukee. Wouldn'tthat really hurt her with the Republican Party
and wouldn't it hurt her political future? Well, there had been damaged even
worse if she hadn't said anything aboutTrump. I mean, she was under
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a lot of pressure to say somethingabout the the nominee in waiting, and
as you mentioned, she's very interestedin running for preisdent herself in twenty twenty
eight. It would be hard todo that as an anti Trump person regardless
of what happens. So in someways she had to make peace with at
least with the Trump voters, soshe decided to go this route. I
don't think this requires an appearance atthe convention necessarily, and in fact,
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I'm not sure Trump even wants herat the convention, So I don't really
think that that has anything to dowith her future. I think she's already
done what she has to do inorder to be viable for twenty twenty eight.
Well do you really believe that,because I would think that she would
have to be at the convention,and I think it helps Trump end her
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if they can mend fences somehow,or at least give appearances of mending fences.
But it's incredible that you think maybenot, maybe not. I know
a lot of people close to Trumphave said the same thing to him,
and some of some Republican donors havesaid the same thing to Haley, that
they need to try to figure outa way to get together, and as
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who knows what the future holes,we could well see them together sometime down
the line. But you know,Trump had a meeting. Trump had a
meeting with Ron DeSantis, who wasin a similar situation at Haley. He
had a meeting, but it wasall private a couple of weeks ago in
Florida's And there's no indication that theSantis is going to be at the convention
or speak at the convention, ofcourse, or campaign for Trump. It's
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all been doing. He's been doingprivate work with funs. So it's really
a frosty It's a tricky It's atricky line to navigate because Trump is mad
at both of those people who ranagainst them, and of course the two
people who did run against them aremad at Trump because of all the attacks
that he made on them. Soit's a fine line to walk. We're
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talking with David Jackson, who coversnational politics in the White House for USA
Today. You're, actually, Davidjust kind of shocking me because I always
thought there was some negotiations going onbehind the scene, and I thought this
was the first step in the twoof them getting together. I always believe
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that she's never going to be vicepresident, but I thought she would want
secretary of State. But you don'tsee her in a Trump cabinet at all,
and I don't know how she cansurvive those four years out of the
public spotlight and then expect to runfor president. Well that's a good question,
I mean, and like I couldbe wrong for this. I mean,
I'm certain she'd love to be Secretaryof State. I wonder though,
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if she thinks that's in the cards, given the personal relationship that she has
with Trump and the two sides havetalked to each other. And also,
I want to make it clear,I'm not sure Haley will speak at the
convention. I do expect her toshow up because she is a Republican and
she has future designs. So thequestion is will she have a speaking role
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at the convention and how prominent mightthat speaking role be. But in terms
of serving with the Trump administration,I just don't know. I just don't
see it at the cards right now. Of course, that could all change
depending on how the campaign unfolds.But I think it's important to remember that
what I've been told by people whoare supportive of Haley is that she wants
to position herself as the I toldyou so candidate. So whereas if Trump
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loses this general election, she'll bein a position to say, see,
this is what happened when you nominatedhim, or even if he wins the
election and struggles during his second term, she'll also be in a position to
say I told you so. Sothere's a lot of questions. Is that
whether it would help or her herto actually join the Trump campaign or the
Trump administration if it happens. Yeah, I think you're right about her not
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speaking at the convention unless she endorsesTrump. He's not going to let her
speak without an endorsement, So Ithink you're absolutely right about that. Let
me ask you about one of thethings, because we are in New York
City. Did Donald Trump rally inthe Bronx What did you think of that?
You know, that was planned lastweek at a time when we thought
that the jury would be out deliberatingthe verdict. And I think that they
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scheduled that event because they knew thatTrump was going to have to be in
New York anyway, because they expectedthe jury to be deliberating, and I
think some people saw that it's possiblythe first post verdict event. Well,
the judge delayed the final arguments inthe trial, so all of that went
away. Trump's schedule court schedule totallychanged this week, so but he was
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still left with the committed event inthe Bronx, but it was more convenient
for him to campaign in New YorkCity. I don't think it's any more
complicated than that. He was goingto be stuck there for the trial.
So all along they'd been sticking upevent for him to do in New York
easy travel. You know, hevisited a bodega I guess in Harlem about
a month ago, and then theycooked up this event in the Bronx and
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it was an economic hit, alot of economic problems in that part of
the city. So it all foldedtogether for him. But I don't think
it means too much in the longrun, because I think he's going to
really struggle to take New York Statein the general election. Oh no,
absolutely, But I was surprised atthe crowd. There were a lot of
Hispanics and blacks, and as weknow from the polls, he's making some
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inroads there. It was also astar comparison between him and then that President
Biden press conferences meeting with the Presidentof Kenya. There's this theory out there
that President Biden could be replaced beforethe convention, especially if he has an
awful debate next month. Do youthink that's possible at all, and the
Democrats might have an open convention.No now, none less, there's a
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health issue involving the president. Nowhe's going to be nominated. I mean,
all things being equally, he's goingto be nominated regardless of what happens
in Atlanta. David, thank youso much for your time. Hoope you
have a great holiday weekend, youtoo, sir, Thank you very much.
David Jackson, national political correspondent forUSA Today. Still to come on
Saturday morning. Why does everyone wantto secede? All of this sudden?
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More states, counties, and citiesare talking about seceding, more than any
time since the Civil War. What'sgoing on? We'll talk with correspondent Aaron
Real who has been covering this storyfor NBC, and I'll have some final
words on the growing number of oldschool Liberals and Democrats who are disenchanted with
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the president. That's still to come. Here's Larry Minting with more of the
WR Saturday Morning Show. Texas isagain taking a vote to secede from the
Union. The eastern half of Oregonwants to secede and join the state of
Idaho, and of course Staten Islandhas been talking about seceding from New York
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City. For what is going onand is all that even possible? Correspondent
Erin Real, who has been coveringall of this for NBC, joins us
Hi. Erin, good to talkto you again. There's probably some people
that don't wake up every morning likewe do that early, so they don't
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realize Erin is on every weekday morningon the first morning News, which comes
on before Len and Michael, andshe always has fascinating topics. This week
the topic was, as I explained, just a couple of moments ago,
secession seceeding from a state seceding fromthe country. And there's lots of different
types. Let's start with the onethat's in the news now. Erin.
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It's called the Idaho Movement. Explainwhat that is. Yes, so there
are tens of thousands of rural andconservative eastern Oregon residents. They're very frustrated
with their liberal urban neighbors to thewest and they want to move. They
want to move to Idahl. It'scalled the Greater Idaho Movement, as you
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mentioned, and the shift would actuallymove Oregon's two hundred miles that it borders
on the west with Idaho to Idaho, they would become a part of it.
This secession effort, particularly it alignswith the conservative farmers there, the
ranchers, the logging communities. They'remuch more like minded to their neighbors in
the east, which is why theywant to do this. It's a ballot
initiative and it's just the latest inthis very long line of efforts that many
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states have gone through. Most haveamounted to no more than bumper stickers and
slogans. But we had the stateof Jefferson, which was a proposal in
northern California. You had Vermont,you had Texas, Northern Colorado wanted to
become a part of Wyoming. Thelist goes on and on, and what
they all have in common is thatthey all failed. And one of the
reasons that they fail is because,like, let's take Oregon. If you
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look at a map and you lookat where they're talking about, it's half
of Oregon. Ye, yes,yes, And listen. It's really interesting
because if you're asking, like,legally, can a state succeede? Short
answer, no, no, itcannot. The United States Constitution does not
allow states to secede from the unions. There is a path for which a
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state can become a member of theUnion. But in eighteen sixty nine there
was a Supreme Court case. Itwas Texas versus White and it ruled that
no state can secede. And thenin two thousand and six, Supreme Court
Justice Anton Scalia said that the CivilWar settled any constitutional issues regarding the right
to secede, that being that thereare no constitutional rights to secede, and
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the point being that if you wantto do this, you're going to find
yourself in mountains of trouble because frankly, it's an active war against the United
States. So this is why it'snever really been successful. And then beyond
that, the bigger question, ifyou talk to constitutional scholars, it's,
oh, well, can you actuallyhave a state that absorbs with another?
And the reason this has never happenedlike you have with the Idaho and Oregon
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situation is because logistically it's a nightmare. And beyond that, if you really
look at the numbers, most peopledon't want to do it. Well,
it's because, like, for instance, let's take Oregon. Let's stay with
Oregon for a second. Even thoughit's a huge land mass of the state,
it's not a populated area, allthe population is against the Pacific Coast.
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So if this goes to a referendum, it goes to a vote,
they're going to lose. But let'sjust say they win. Let's just say
one of these states win. Let'ssay it's a big blue city in the
middle of a red state and theywant to secede. Even then, it's
difficult to do. Even then,there are are in some things they have
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to go through that make it impossible, right close to impossible, which is
why you've never seen it done.And also, listen, most people,
in spite of the fact that youknow that it's a loud minority the clamor
for this, if you look atit statistically, most of those residents you'd
prefer to move yourself and move theborders. It's just easier. And yes,
people like do they sort themselves intolike minded communities. There's no question
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that there's self segregation. Listen,we saw it with recent migrations following the
pandemic, where people moved to Texasand to Florida. We saw it in
the fifties and sixties with white flight. And now you're even having representatives like
Marjorie Taylor Green, She said,we need a national divorce, we need
to separate red and blue states.Many would say that it's a profoundly un
American statement, that that's not thepoint, and actually the Constitution would say
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that it's not an American either.But the idea that you know, scholars
who really study secession efforts, ifyou look at places like the former USSR,
they see that these US based movementsare pretty lightweight stuff. Now,
all of that said, they doacknowledge that it's gaining creeping momentum. People
talk about this more and more,particularly in times of strife and particularly coming
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out of the pandemic. Is thislikely to happen? There's a reason we've
never seen it happen. Now.Can the Constitution be amended? Yep,
that's the whole point. It's aliving, breathing body. There was prohibition
and then there was not. Thingscan be amended. But it doesn't mean
that it's easy or that most peoplewant it. Right now, let's just
take Oregon for a second. I'llstay with that, and I want to
move on. I specifically want totalk about Staten Island because that's of interest
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to the people that are listening inthe New York area. But in Oregon,
you know, they're not talking aboutleaving the union, so it's not
it's not a constitutional matter. Butthey still would have to get a approval
from both Oregon and Idaho the legislatures, and then it would go to Congress,
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so they would have to get approvalfrom three different bodies to make this
happen, no matter what the referendumdoes. So exactly, yeah, that's
really that's really difficult. That bringsus to Staten Island. So here we
have Staten Island that keeps trying toleave the city and can't. What do
you make of that? And willthey ever be able to do that?
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So listen, I don't know thedeep, deep specific of how this referendum
is going in Staten Island. Andwe know it's been clamored about for it,
Like I'm forty years old and I'vebeen hearing about it since as long
as I can recover, So thishas always been something. There's also been
discussions in upstate New York that thatwants to seceed from its downstate neighbors.
Now, the interesting part about StatenIsland is that it wants to secede from
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the city of New York more sothan like the state of New York.
There's some people that want different things, and a lot of this comes down
to like people meeting at Starbucks andgetting excited having most people vote on this,
and if you look at the numbers, the polling numbers, again and
again, most people don't want it. There is a large minority that do,
and they are entitled to their opinionand they're entitled to move the ball
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forward as much as they want.But there's reasons why we vote here and
why you know, if you're doinga vote a majority vote, most in
a district don't want it. Theylive there for a reason. And again,
it's much easier to move yourself inthe borders. But the staten island
one, I believe, if thisis the most recent iteration of it,
they want to leave New York City, not this of New York. Right,
and again you were as your pointon nineteen forty nine, nineteen eighty
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nine, nineteen ninety three. They'vedone this, They've tried several times.
The closest they got arin was innineteen ninety three when the referendum passed with
sixty five percent of the vote.But they you know, then it has
to be passed by the city counciland the state Assembly, and so it's
a democratic state. They're not lettingthe Republican borough do what they want.
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So it's failed, and it's goingto fail every time. But it's coming
up again. That brings us toTexas. Texas is talking again this year
about trying to secede from the Union, and I what do you make of
that? They know they can't dothat. Well, they can, but
they'd be declaring more on the USdepending on how far they get it,
unless there is an amendment written intothe constitution. So there's like order of
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operations here. And I'm not aconstitutional scholar, and if you have a
profound, keen interest in this,it would be interesting to talk to one
who has had a lot of I'mjust reporting on the data that we know
is true and on the facts ofthe case as we've seen them thus far.
And what we know is that Texasefforts. Make no mistake, Texas
haceeded from Mexico once and we wentto war over it, you know,
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and Mexico lost, and then wehave Texas. Texas has always done this.
But there is a reason it neverreally comes to fruition. And while
a lot of people in Texas WANTAE, if you look at the polling numbers,
again, most don't. It isa large minority, and it is
it's not insignificant. It's about likesome say that it's a third. Depending
on where you are, it's evenhigher. But it's probably not going to
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work. Also, Texas does getfederal dollars, and you think you want
something until you're there. Look atBrexit. I always use that as an
example. Like, right after Brexithappened in Great Britain, the number one
Google thing was what is Brexit?And you're like, you, guys,
you should have figured this out.Beoplere are voting the idea of being like,
there's a lot that comes from this, many much good, much very
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very bad, and you're entitled toas a citizen move BALLID initiatives forward.
But it the reason that this happenedhasn't happened thus far is because it's very
difficult, and it would, ultimately, depending on how far it went,
be a declaration of war against theUnited States, and Texas has looked around
and been like, maybe we don'twant it that bad. See here's the
problem. I have Aaron and wecan wrap this up with this. You
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know, as you know, there'sa political divide in this country, and
that keeps getting wider, and itseems to keep getting angrier. I believe
these calls for secession are purely political, but as and I think Marjorie Taylor
Green represents a lot of people inthis country who are angry about the way
things are going or the way theirstates are going. Is that a legitimate
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concern that there are people out therethat say, yes, we're going to
separate. You talked about this asecond ago. You know that that's another
civil war. We're far from that, right. It's a big question.
You just asked. I want tomake everyone feel good. I'd like to
think so, yes, but Idon't know, and I don't have a
crystal ball, And it is noquestion that things are simmering. I think
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that the pandemic really brought a lotof this to the forefront because you were
able to see how much power stateshave over the citizen's rights. And that's
why you saw all of these flightto different states. And we even had
ray Dally a Bridgewater had a Bridgewater, the private equity firm and investment firm.
He said, that he thinks civilwar is possible, but then he
also caveated it with like, oh, but civil war in the sense that
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people will move, no guns,they'll move to places they want. Yet
you could always do that. Youcould always move to a state that aligns
with your interests. Do I thinka civil war is imminent? No?
Do I think every single empire that'sever existed, as far as we have
the historical records, has fallen.Yes, so it's not impossible. But
I would not sit here on radiobroadcast to X amount of people and say,
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Yep, it's no. I don'tknow. No one does either.
Do I think it's politically hot outthere? For sure? Do I think
this election is bumming people out?Yep, but I don't know when and
if it will happen. Really well, said, thank you so much,
Aaron Reel, I got. I'mglad I had more time to talk to
you about this. Thanks so much. Have a great Memorial Day weekend.
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Likewise, Larry NBC correspondent Aaron Real, who you can hear every morning on
the first morning news anchored by yourstruly now more of the wor Saturday Morning
Show and Larry Minty welcome back andnow some final thoughts. A lot is
being made about recent polls that JoeBiden is losing support among Democrats. The
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truth is that Democratic voters never reallywanted Biden as president. The party has
always wanted him and propped him up. And some tough news this afternoon for
President Joe Biden from inside his ownparty. Seventy five percent of Democrats say
they want someone other than Biden toget the twenty twenty four nomination, But
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the Democratic Party ignored what the voterswanted and stuck with Biden, an elderly
man who has trouble putting words together. See if you can make out what
he is saying here during his speechto Moorhouse College last week. After I
signed the Pack Pack Act into law, I hand at the pen that I
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signed it with an addition, themost personal is responsible for the legislation.
In many ways, It's sad there'sno real excitement among Democrats about the Biden
campaign because they feel as if he'sbeing forced on them. Biden has a
difficult time filling a conference room,while Trump can pack a beach in Wildwood,
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New Jersey with one hundred thousand people. I love New Jersey and I'm
thrilled to be back right here inthe Garden State. Even for long time
progressive Democrats, it's hard not tonotice the difference when you see Trump speak
for over an hour in Wildwood flawlessly. He's almost the same age as Biden.
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But Biden presents as old, yeah, ancient. He does not look
old. No, it doesn't.He does not present as old. Yeah.
I mean he's like kiss. Heputs on the wig and the face
paint and it's nineteen seventy six allover again. It's not the party anymore
of old school liberals like Bill Maher, and that's why Democratic operatives won him
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so much. Biden is a vesselthey can use to change America into a
woke experiment where the border is open, criminals are victims, and most importantly,
the US Treasury is their ATM.A two trillion dollar COVID relief bill
that had a small percentage of moneyfor actual COVID relief, and a trillion
(29:41):
dollar infrastructure bill with a small percentagefor actual infrastructure projects. You can call
it a number of things. Buildback broke, build back bs, Biden's
bankruptcy blueprint, Bernie's budget, bailout. But it doesn't matter what you call
it, because it is still absolutecrap Florida Congresswoman Kat Chemick. But that's
(30:04):
not to say that the Democrats won'tdump Biden if they think he can't win,
and it's sure starting to look thatway. Consider the June twenty seventh
debate on CNN as an audition forBiden to keep his job. It's interesting
they've chosen the first one to bein June, which is really early,
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and some people have speculated, isare they doing that in case he fails?
There's plenty of time to have anso called open convention and have a
new kendidate. That's Jim Kennedy,former senior advisor to President Bill Clinton.
Yes, the Democratic Party got whatthey wanted from Biden, and now that
they may not be able to usehim anymore, it might be time for
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a new puppet. That wraps upSaturday Morning for this week. Thanks so
much for listening. I'll be backon Monday with Len Berman and Michael Riedle
in the morning from six to ten, right after the first morning News.
Enjoy your weekend, and please rememberthe real meaning of Memorial Day. Men
and women died for our freedom.The least we can do is take a
(31:10):
day to memorialize them properly. Thishas been a podcast from wor
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