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August 15, 2024 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
About the kwait caught a spirit off hotline and bring
on our good buddy, Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael
on Twitter. Good to hear from you again, my friend.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I haven't seen it since we had coffee. Yeah, it's
been a minute, been a minute. I hope you guys
are doing well. Been enjoying the show so far tonight?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, Broncos country has been enjoying
the preseason thus far. Bow Nix looks like something that's
going to be something. I know you have been very
bullish on bow You h compared him, maybe not not
uh stride for stride, but compared him favorably to Drew
Brees at times. And you know, I think that BA

(00:38):
is Sean Payton's muse. I mean we saw Sean kind
of getting his bag on that second drive. He started
running things that we was like, well wait a minute,
we haven't seen that before. They look catered to bow Nicks.
Everything there is indicating that this is going to be
his starting quarterback, whether that's week one, whether that's week whatever.
But what did you get out of that first preseason game?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, my general rule ben preseason football, and I'm sure
not everybody's going to agree with me on this. But
when I'm watching quarterbacks who are either established an elite
or they're projected to eventually play at a high level,
when I see them play well as Bo did, it's
certainly a bonus. When I see them struggle, especially if

(01:18):
they're young, I don't hold it against them so much
because training camp in preseason is when we're supposed to
be fining pits and we're supposed to be making mistakes.
So when you see a quarterback like Bo play as
sharp as he did in Indianapolis, it's a bonus. On
the flip side of that, quarterbacks who are either backups
or not anybody who's projected to be a starter, when
they play well in the way that Dak Wilson did,

(01:40):
I don't read too much into that. You're looking at
a lot of Manilla looks, and while it's always better
to play well in the struggle, I don't read too
much into it. And if backups are struggling, then that's
more of a cause for concerns. So I don't think
we're at the point where we need to crown Bonix.
I'm in full agreement with you. He's going to be
the eventual long time starter. Whether that happens six days

(02:04):
from now, whether it happens week one, week four, remains
to be seen. But that's really all that camp and
training camp is about here. It's facilitating that process seeing
him grow within the system. So you couldn't ask for
a much better start than what we saw versus Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well coming this game, I mean there's always overreactions and
people look at things and look at stories as far
as a guy in that performing well to say well
he needs to step it up. How do you look
at it when it comes to interceptions that are thrown
in practice opposed to the interceptions are thrown in games.

(02:43):
Is this something that the fan base should be somewhat,
I guess concerned with if it happens.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't think so. I mean, Peyton Manning's your twenty
eight interceptions as a rookie in nineteen ninety eight, and
by year two he was arguably the best quarterback in football.
At worst, he was the second best quarterback fotball. So
I look at training camp and the preseason is an
extension of camp as the opportunity to learn what you
can do. You want to sharpen those strings, right, But
it's also an opportunity to test your limits so that

(03:12):
you learn what not to do. So when I think
quarterbacks picked off in camp, I don't overreact to that.
And when I think quarterbacks are picks in the preseason,
which all three of our quarterbacks should have been zero interceptions.
The one that Jared Stidham shrew was very much at
Trevor Lawrence twenty twenty three kind of intersection where it's
bobbled off the guy's hands should have been a completion.

(03:33):
So it's a very clean football game. I'm not concerned
about seeing those mistakes in camp or in the preseason.
So far, as for what we've seen in preseason action,
it's been pretty sharp from all three.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Talker Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter disparity
of opinion if you looked at it. I retweeted several
different film breakdowns of boat Knicks preseason, one from Pro
Football Focus, one Tim Jenkins, one from jto Solo, one
from Chase Danner. I don't know you had a chance
to see any of the four and what were your
thoughts on them.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I've seen two of the four and Kim and I
know he's been on KOA and he's a friend of
the network and he's one of my personal favorites. If I
had to pick my top three, I would say Tim Jenkins.
You can follow him Tim Jenkins Elite or t Jenkins
Elite on Twitter or All Things to Be on YouTube. JT. O.
Sullivan at the QB School and Kurt Warner's study Ball

(04:25):
at QB Confidential. I mean, all of them are tremendous
and I got to see certainly hands breakdown of those
debut and my takeaway from that is him and I
have a lot of the same observations. You know, what
we would like to see for going to the tape,
because that's part of what we do is you need
to settle into the pocket, don't overlook your open receivers,

(04:46):
don't run towards the pressure. And that's going to require
some patients in the pocket. Even though they were plays
like his first completion to sudden where yeah, he's making
something happen out of structure, but perhaps overlooking something that
might have been a little bit or open or easy
along way. So anybody, whether you're a young quarterback looking
to sharpen your craft or you're just an NFL fan

(05:07):
looking to understand more of the nuance and what goes
into the quarterback position, definitely recommend giving kim Zy Cubans
whether day to follow.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
For sure, if Jared Stidham is the Week one started
up in Seattle, does that say more about Stidham or
more about bow Nicks and not being prepared to take
over the road right in Week one?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would say neither, because in the case of Sidham,
he has a full season under his belt, which is
a tremendous advantage when you're looking at the kind of
system that Sean runs. So if for any reason, Jared
Stidham is the Week one starter, I don't read much
into that at all, because given the probability that we're
not likely as much as I would love for us

(05:52):
to be a Super Bowl contender this season, I think
a big part of the identity of this season he
is getting bo acclimated to Shawn system and not, as
Ben has said, We're not going to throw him in
there for the sake of throwing him in there. Anybody
can do that. We've seen a lot of potentially good quarterbacks,
Tim Couch, David Carr, Josh Rosen. Just off the top

(06:13):
of my head who had the potential, I feel to
be really good quarterbacks, but maybe never got a realistic
shot at doing so. Perhaps they were thrown into earlier,
they were in a situation that wasn't ideal. So for
any reason, Sean feels that Jarrett is a little bit
more prepared to take over the rains week one. It's
just a placeholder position. So for me, it doesn't matter

(06:33):
at all whether Bo is the starter week one, week four,
even towards the end of the season. It's all about
getting him acclimated to the system.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
A lot of conversation about Zach Wilson lately and whether
or not Zach can be the QB two, whether or
not the Broncos carry three quarterbacks this year, Sean Payton
the only head coach in the modern area.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think they carried four that I remember.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Any chance that Zach Wilson even starts for the Broncos
or ends up as the the backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Realistically, I don't see that happening. Zach Wilson I put
in a similar bracket to justin Fields, where he has
the greatest raw physical talent of any quarterback in our room.
I don't think anybody would argue that point, but I
believe that one of the primary responsibilities of a QB
two is understanding the system with great depth and to

(07:23):
have the preparation so that if you're called into the
line of duty, you can execute that system. We just
moved on from the best version, or at least one
of the best versions, perhaps not his prime of seeing
a quarterback who can play san lant football and lean
into those great physical skills in Russell Wilson. The difference
between a Russell Wilson of Patrick Mahomes versus say a

(07:47):
Zach Wilson or Justin Fields is that Russell has elite
processing speed and pass accuracy, where the pass accuracy for
Zack and for quarterbacks like Justin Fields is all over
the place. So even if we give them credit as
they deserve for their dual threat capabilities, they're just not
the kind of quarterbacks who are tailored to step into
that QB two position, because we're not going to keep

(08:09):
somebody on the bench who's just going to play backyard
sandlot football without the ability to process information quicker or
pass with greater accuracy. So I think he's the kind
of guy that if you want to take a Gamble
as a QB two perhaps for lost or outside of
Denver that doesn't have as much depth as the position. Sure,
he was the number two overall pick for a reason,
but I don't see him being QB two and Denver whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
All Right, Ran, I'm gonna puts you on the spot
with the question that some may feel is ridiculous, but
I don't believe that it is. When it comes to
Bone Nakes and all the broncos of the two quarterbacks
Statum and Zach Wilson, you're putting more stuff from an
evaluation standpoint on what you see in the joint practices

(08:54):
or the preseason games himself.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, you get a lot more reps in prap this
in the joint practices are a unique opportunity to hone
your skills against an other team. So I say they're
both important. The reality of the preseason, even with bo
getting the starting nod against Green Bay, is it's going
to be a limited number of reps. So I think
they're both important. As far as which one is more
important than the other, I would actually lean a little

(09:19):
bit more towards what's happening in camp, not that I
put much value into camp statistics that I do put
a lot of value into those reps. Nick, you would
know as well as anyone how important it is as
a young player to sharpen your skills against some of
the most talented athletes in the world. So I think
in that camp setting is really going to be where
bo cuts his teeth and sharpens the skill set he's

(09:41):
already developing.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think that for me, we talked a little bit
about interceptions. I want to see a few interceptions here
in this joint practice. I wanted to see, you know,
how Bonix reacts to adversity, how it balances back from it.
We sort of saw that a little bit in the
preseason game where he threw his first pass probably should
have been intercepted, and that first drive was a little shaky,

(10:06):
But then that second drive he came out, you know,
and was just absolutely carving him up.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
There.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Is that your sense of how that went, and would
you like to see a little bit more of that
in practice. I mean, it's weird to sit here and
beg for your quarterback to throw interceptions at this point,
but I kind of want to see it at this
point just because I want to see what comes after.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I'm right on board with you because they said earlier
this is your opportunity to test your limits and to
learn what you can sharpen as far as what you
do well versus what you can't do. And you look
historically at the quarterbacks like Manning through twenty eight interceptions
his rookie year, dre Agrees through a number of picks
early in his career before he crafted his skill set.

(10:46):
This is an opportunity to develop those skills. So if
Boe is throwing interceptions and practice, the idea isn't to
throw to the other guy. The idea is to be
able to test your limits. So if you're playing too
conservative and camp, or you're playing too conservatively in the
preseason because you want to have pretty box score numbers,
that doesn't mean anything at all, Tomate. You need to
be as battle tested as you can be for a

(11:07):
young quarterbacks being roomed for the starting role, so well,
throw as many picks as you need to throw. Just
get out there and test your limits.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Ben and I had this conversation yesterday, and I definitely
want your input because for one reason or another, their
teams that are out there in the NFL. It's thirty
two of them. Some teams are experiencing injuries, some are
noticing that, hey, listen, they don't have valuable depth at
the quarterback position. And the question was, if the Broncos

(11:36):
were called and they had to part ways with one
of the two backup quarterbacks in Jared Stidam and Zach Wilson,
who do you think that the Broncos will be better
off parting ways with and keeping based on the foundation
of having youth, having depth, and also being able to
have a solid person at that backup quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Let that go. And I'm almost answering too fast because
i knew the answer to my question the moment you
started to bargain. You'll let that go, and you cap
Sidham because Sidham's knowledge of the system, his ability to
be able to run it and really live up to
that QB two position of somebody who can come in
and execute it if you look at the way he
did so in the final two games of the regular

(12:22):
season last year. To quote the late great Dennis Green,
he is who we thought he is. And so that's
what Jared has been doing his entire career. And even
though there's going to be some friendly and realistic competition
between the two, I believe that Vote has the ability
to learn a lot more from Sidham than he does
from Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, Ran, we always appreciate it, always enjoy having you on.
How did you enjoy your day out of camp here?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Oh, it was wonderful. I mean to get to see
the last practice before preseason action. I mean, our guys
looked sharp, and I think that was reiterated in live
game time action. So it was a great time to
be there. Looking forward to what's become.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yes us as well, look forward to talk to you
again next week. He's Ryan Michael. Let you Ryan Michael
on Twitter. We appreciate you, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Good guys, have a great night.
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