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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In Broncos country tonight. But do it all right, Nick
Ferguson's actually he's here with you. We're efforting the cosmidor
from the athletic here just a feuel.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
But uh, as we are sitting.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Next week, we'll have draft coverage here on KOA. There'll
be a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Some of that maybe
over maybe over on k how if we have Rockies games,
But we are expected to have full draft coverage myself, Nick, Ryan,
Dave Logan, Rick Lewis actually years, all of us going
to be handling the draft, the entire the entirety of
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the draft like we do every year, and it's gonna
be a lot of fun. I know, it's a it
can be a bit of a slog. It can be
a bit the time you get to that third day.
By the time you get to that third day of
coverage and you've been on the air for for a while,
the third you can get a little.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Loopy in the afternoon on that Saturday loopy.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's interesting how you characterize and described it as loopy.
It's it's sense of repetitive exhaustion.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You kinda I mean it, you know, you wouldn't think
that talking would just be exhausting.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Uh, but you know, you get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You start with all the previews on Thursday and you
start like three and you're done eleven.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Then the next day three and you're done at like
eleven pm.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And then the worst one, though, is because you got
the eleven pm turnaround on Friday, and then you gotta
be back down there at the valley. I think at
like nine or ten am in the morning. Maybe it's
earlier than that. I don't I don't really know. I'd
never noticed the day off, but you got to be
back there the next morning on the quick turnaround.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then because you're doing rounds four through seven and
there's it's half the draft in one day.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's just it's just it is a marathon.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think I know what it is because here's the
thing in the first round, and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I wouldn't have it any other Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The league does a great job of stretching, right, stretching.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You have to beat the first round. Pay everybody knows
who they're taking a number one, and they still.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Use the whole clock.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
They use it because the idea you have to milk
that first round and you have to admit when you
look at the draft itself, it's one of the better
dramatic shows than any other professional league around. So they
do a great job of stretching it out, drawing it out,
because most teams actually know by this stage of the
game who they're selecting. Like the team, like I think
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it is it Tennessee on the clock first, right, Tennessee's
on the clock first.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Do they need the entire three or four minutes to
make their selectionsteen minutes?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean there are fifteen minutes, and they'll make them
use you know why, because the.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
NFL wants to sell the commercial I.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Sell the commercials, baby, which you know helps us out
to But well, well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, because once you get into that back that day three,
you exhausted because not just of talking, but now you're
you're really digging into crates with certain prospects because at
that point there's not a lot of information out there
about them.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah. I mean the first time I had seen a
picture of Nick R.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Julio last year after he was drafted by the Broncos,
and I was like that that mustache and mullet combination, uh,
feathered and lethal.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It was like the taker.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I was here, made me get him on the
phone for the interview right after he gets picked, and
I'm like trying to talk to you about He's like, ah,
I shaped it off, and I'm like, yeah, what are
we doing? It's good?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Can't wait?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Come to this both Common Spirit Health Hotline.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Put Laura, I'm already got marbles in my mouth and
bring on Nick Cosminor from the Athletic.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Nick, how you do, buddy, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
It was that guard Julo that you were referencing.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, that mustache and mullet combination was feathered
and lethal.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah yeah, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
And it's just like, Fuddy, you had to have given us.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
At least like rookie mini camp with that thing. You know,
we deserved at least a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I did.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I felt I felt cheated, bamboozle, swindled, and I let
him know in no uncertain terms and he did not
even care in the slightest So uh good?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Have you good? Have you on board here?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Man? You were on the call, the pre draft call,
I believe early with uh with Daniel Jeremiah today?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I tell you DJ got stammina man.
He just like he'll go for two.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Hours without ever like a single change in tone or
any any betrayal of exhaustion. He's an impressive dude in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What all did he have to say about the the
Bronco situation? Because what I saw on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Largely echoes kind of what I've been talking about since February.
And you know, I had everybody in their mother on
Twitter screaming at me. They were going they had a
wide receiver, this, that.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
And the other.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
But it looks like, yeah, he seemed pretty convinced that
maybe running back or tight end was or trade back,
we're kind of the options.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Yeah, and I think that, you know, Ben, you've known
this too, Like it seems like as this has gone on,
like we all knew that the running back position was
their number one position of.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Need emerging from free agency.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Right there, they still need a lot there in essentially
every aspect, Like they need a more consistent runner, they
need more pass catching juice out of the backfield, they need,
you know, somebody to replace Davonte Williams.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Is kind of like your key pass protecting third down,
you know, to keep bo Nicks clean.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
And so the idea that that they would fill that
with a first round pick. I mean, there's just a
lot of logic to that.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
And as this has gone along, yeah, I think guys.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Like like DJ and others are saying, not only is
that a need, but but the talent is going to
be there for them, you know, whether that is sitting
at twenty and getting a guy like Amari and Hampton,
you know, maybe the opportunity. He thinks Travon Henderson being
a good fit there if all it checks out well,
you know, medically and.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Everything else, because of his ability.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
More so than other guys in this class to be able.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
To step in right away and play on third down
given his blocking ability.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
So yeah, that was kind of that was kind of his.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Read on the situation with where Denver is. But he's
just you know, intrigued.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
I think by the idea that if you're if you're Cleveland,
if you're in New York and you're not taking the
quarterback of one of those first one of those early picks,
then you know, hey, Denver at twenty, getting ahead of
Pittsburgh or anybody else who might be trying to get
up there, you know, could be the landing spot. If
you're really willing to go do that, you know, to
me in New York just because of who they've got,
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you know, kind of going to do what they did
at the quarterback position this offseason and knowing that that
that regime obviously, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Kind of on the hot seat they need to win now.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Be a little more surprised from them.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Cleveland makes a little more sense to me. But but
either way that that was kind of a takeaway from
from Daniel Jeremiah in terms of kind.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Of what he's really intrigued by with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Big As a former defensive player coach in this league,
I like to lean heavily on the defensive side of
the ball. And when we go back to that pre
draft press conference earlier in the week, listening to Sean Payton,
he was asked about bow knicks, but I think it
was three times he mentioned defense, and it's something I've
talked to Ben about as far as the way that
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you help a quarterback rookie your veteran is on the
defensive side of the ball. Based on how many times
that Sean Payton mentioned the fact of how you help
bo Is on the defensive side of the ball, did
you think there's a possibility that this draft could be
helped heavy tilted towards defense for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I don't know about heavy tilted just because of like
where where their their needs are. I mean, when you're
talking about the defense that is bringing back every every
player along the defensive front that that that played for
you last year, I mean they had sixty three sacks.
I think they only lose what two and a half
of those in free agency with Cody Barton going somewhere else.
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So well, I certainly think they.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Are going to add defensive.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Depth, and I understand what Sean Sean Payton is saying,
you have I think more of you have more ground
to make up in terms of, say, you know, running
back or even still the tight end position of getting
that group even even better and having that be the
thing that lifts you because you're absolutely right now as
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you know, like as a quarterback, if you're if your
defense is getting the ball back quickly, you know, and
doing a lot of the things that Denver did like
last year, you know, that's going to help you a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
And and so but I think that the.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Reality is that they're they need to continue adding young
depths on the defensive line and all those things. But
I just I just think when you talk about heavily tilted,
I see it being more offensive, just because like the
ground from where they need to go offensively versus what
they need to keep adding defensively, I think it kilts
more to the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Ty and the cosmier from the athletic nick.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know, the idea of the Broncos trading back off
twenty for a team that maybe looking at a quarterback slide,
and that slide, obviously, I think all people would understand
that would be shud or standers. Do you think that
that's something that's that's realistic because we look at this thing.
You know, this is a draft that sort of is
fat in that second the fourth round. You know, if
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you're sitting there multiplying ticks in there, they would seem
advantageous to the to the Broncos. But do you think
it's a realistic scenario.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
I'm big on historical context, especially like any kind of
relatively refent history, and we just have so much of
it from a draft perspective.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Of Sean Payton, guys, and he doesn't do that. He
doesn't trade back in the.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
First round, certainly not out of the first round, right Like,
anytime he has made a trade.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
In the first round, it has always been to go up,
whether that.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Was you know, going up seven spots from twenty seven
to twenty to get Brandon Cooks, whether that was trading
back into the first round in twenty eleven giving up
a future first to go up.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And get mark Ingram.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
You don't find these examples of him going from twenty
out of the first round.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I just don't see that.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Being viable because we haven't we haven't seen it. It's
sort of the same thing too, you know, all this
talk you hear about, you know, well why don't they
just you know, if Ashton genty is the guy that
puts them over the top, why not trade up and
get them again historical context, there has not been a
trade in the first round where a team moved up
during the draft to select a running back since twenty fifteen,
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and that was the Chargers going two spots from.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Seventeen to fifteen to draft Melvin Gordon. It's just not
the kind of the modern.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Landscape of the positional value and how teams like sort
of view it.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, you can draft one in.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The first round, but giving up major assets in order
to draft a guy at a very fungible position. It's
just not how you build good, solid like depth of
premium spots.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So again, I do I think it's impossible.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
No, it's just hard for me to bet on something
that doesn't have the historical context to it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
All right, let's remove the historical context to it and
put Nick Cosmider on the clock. I want you to
act as though you are the GM for the Denver Broncos.
So put your GM head on and tell me, sitting
at twenty with this talent out there in conversations about
running back so on and so forth, what is it
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that you would do? Would you stay pat and what
player would you take? And if you would move back, well,
what player would you take moving?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
If it was me and it was twenty and he
was available, I would draft to Marion Hampton.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
And I know that might not be like the funnest thing,
just based on the.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Fact that you've heard that name over and over again,
but I just I mean, man, this guy he ran
for fifteen hundred yards last year and has.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
Done it almost identical stats the last two seasons, including
last year when obviously everybody in that conference was loading
up against him with Drake Maygon knowing that he was
the focal point of what.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
They were trying to do offensively and still being able
to have the success that he that he had. I
like his build, you know, I kind of like the
style that he runs with. Is he a perfect player
at that position? No, But you draft him in the
first round and then you go get you know, any
number of guys in maybe the fourth or fifth round
that can then feel that, like you know, Darren Sproles
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type role, right like Dale Jeremiah mentioned, guys like Jayden
Blue out of Texas for Shard Smith.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Out of SMU, who we know that they have spent
time with.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
It certainly does not have to be a one back
answer for them.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I think they'll address it more than once.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
But that's where I go.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I just think it's it's a bit your biggest need,
it's a match, and I think I don't think you're
wasting the opportunity cost by taking a running back, because again,
as we as we've discussed, there's not twenty guys with
first round grades on their board. You know, our guy
Dame Brugler, thirteen guys with true first round grades in
his rankings, and it just seems like, you know, then
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you you talk to more people I believe than I do,
just in terms of like their boards. But I don't
think you're having a lot of teams to have more
than fifteen seventeen guys. So it's not as if you're
just giving up a blue chip opportunity to draft the
pass rusher or a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
With those kind of grades. Well, for all those.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Reasons, I just think it would make a lot of
sense if he is there for Hampton to be their guy.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I love it is. That is absolutely the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, that has been my bang the table pick
since back in December now, but I would love it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Nick Ferguson wants to go a little bit different direction with.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It, but you know, I'm hoping I can put my
hands together with a big w and throw a tang.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Maybe donors, let's.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Make this fun.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
I mean and really, and it's just like and hey like,
if they do something else, well you know we'll be
interested in the explanations and and what it can do and.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Go from there.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
I just I like, look, I just think Sean Dayton
knows what he wants, Like He's gone two years now
without having anything resembling like a true stud in the backfield.
Like I think he's he's getting the quarterback with his
obviously number one priority went out and got the tight end.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Two years of not having that was long enough.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I just think he's gonna ultimately feel the same way
about the running back.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey, Nick, you brought up Richard Submid that SMU, which
I think would be a valuable pickup for that Darren
Sprose type of row.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But what do you what do you think about this?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Because to me, if you throw Spros in there, you
got to think Pierre Thomas who played for Peyton, who
was an undrafted guy.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
What about Trevor Etn fitting that.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Row from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
He's about five nine and that's a smaller guy, but
also he can get missing the guy that second level explosiveness.
Would you be willing And if the Broncos did you
pick up a guy like Trevor et M would that
suffice to in that particular role for you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
I think I think he's another guy probably in that range.
He's maybe somebody that would come a little bit earlier,
because I think teams are going to see him also
as somebody who brings you a fair amount of juice
as a runner, and so for that reason, I think
he might be a guy where if I'm going first
round with with Hampton, I'm probably not touching the position
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again until you know, maybe I trade back in the
fourth a little bit and then pick up a fifth
and then maybe that's the that's the pick that I
use on. You know, whether it's it's it's Jayden Blue
or you know Smith or Scataboo or or Kataboo is
going to be in the same you know, kind of
third round area.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
But no, I like the overall concept of it.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I certainly do like. And if for whatever reason the
value just becomes too good that somebody that falls to
them in both the first and second and they don't
end up going back going with the running back in
those first year rounds, I'd be surprised.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
But that's when I it would to kind of makes some.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Sense with a guy like gets the end, who I
think will.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Probably go in the top seventy five pix or so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
All right, Nick, last question here, real quick, Nick Cosmeti
from the Athletic.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who's somebody not the first round?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Who's somebody you'd love to see this team wind up
with later in the draft. Who's one of your guys
that you're secretly hoping that they come away with.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Well, it's kind of funny because I, you know, obviously
with who I think that they probably should and will
take in the first round, being Hampton. I really like
Dylan Sampson. And the reason is that the running back
out of Tennessee. The reason is is because there's just
there's something where he's not like a jaw dropping athlete,
but he just has a level of compete that he
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runs with that's really impressive. And he's a guy that
just sort of seems to sniff the goal line, you know,
thirty five touchdowns the last three years, you know, just
in that mold of a guy who knows how to
like make winning football plays.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
And the story's cool too, right, He wor six at
Tennessee because of Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
He wanted to play running back as a little key because.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You know, I grew up in the in the Baton
Rouge area and idolized Reggie Bush, which you know, if
that's coming to the league now, like Reggie Bush was
their small childhood idol. That's making me feel real old,
but but nonetheless be a cool be a cool story,
you know. There and then of course as an Arizona
steak guy. You know, I'm just real for camp scattaboy.
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Just very interested to see where.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
He ultimately lands and what he becomes. You know, he's
a guy that that I have my eye on.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
So yeah, yeah, I guess this really just is all
about running backs shirt right now.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Hey, I'm with you on that. I certainly certainly appreciate. Yeah,
we were feeling old earlier when I told Nick that
are you Godala the second.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
In that category?
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Okay, Wettt Blood Junior has committed to North Carolina, like
made me feel ald just saying Nick, well, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Look forward to.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Seeing you around watching him.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, don't you just feel like you were watching blunt.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Uh slug the dude the boys stake. It's like, doesn't
I feel like the other day.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It was like yesterday, like what happened? But anyway, Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Look forward to catch up with you at the draft
next week. That causbutter from the athletic We'll come back
in an NFL six pack. I feel like we've got
marbles in my mouth or something. It's been one of
those days. Like you ever ever go trying to talk
to your bosson every time you go in there, you're
like you're saying something, but you're not communicating effectively what
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it is you're trying to communicate.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Oh, I know what that is.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Nobody translates to zach seekers that's the job Moran's indro.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I see what you did there, slipping that one
back here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I have no idea what it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I have a great communicator, Like I actually am a
really good communicator. I only do this for a living.
When I got in there, we're like.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You you can't say, on one hand, hey man, I'm
a great communicator, but you go in Tabra's office and
you get the mumble mouth.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah that was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like I had a mouthful of marbles.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm just sitting there like I'm wow. You know, yeah,
it was. It was fantastic. Five six six zeros text
line over that. Just get the NFL six pack. It's
time for the NFL sick pad.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I'm gonna trade the last beer.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Insight and insight information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
I know.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Six the top six NFL headline.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
What w e EI that's in Boston for people that
don't know, uh we I s. Paul Fitzgerald has reported
that if Abdul Carter somehow slides all the way to
the fourth pick, that the New England Patriots would trade
back with the Philadelphia Eagles for a package that would
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include a J. Brown and a few first round picks
and would allow Philly to draft the star pass rusher
out of ten state. That seems pretty far fetched. So, Ben,
is there any chance at all of this happening?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I'm curious what.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Do you guys think they that this would make the
Eagles better or worse over the next three years.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, I know Philly and Wheeling deal and how he
has some some screw cooking that they want to do.
I don't believe that this has any chance of coming
to fruition. And Abdul Carter could be gone as soon
as two, as two.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Won't be there after three, So I don't really know
what to what to say about that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So yeah, I mean, this is all moot points.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's fun to speculate about stuff, but at the end
of the day, throwing stuff at a wall that you
have no chance of ever happening, so you can't be
proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There's certainly one way to do this. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't know that the Eagles would would necessarily trade
all that. I don't But what I will say is
how Rosman certainly been open for business before. So if
he identifies Abdul Carter with that kind of grade, wouldn't
surprise me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You know, this time of years, so many wow, crazy
things come out, and with the purpose of how can
we throw the dogs off the sind We're going to
show him with the left hand is doing is thick
of our right hand in their pocket. That's what kind
of this seems like it is somewhat of a politic.
I mean, I don't think Philly, even though coming off
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of a Super Bowl, would it's himpt something this agreesous.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
If it does happen, we can revisit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And Almos said, well, this is the crazy thing I've
ever seen, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Yeah, it would be unprecedented to my knowledge for a
team to trade all the way from thirty two up
to four. I don't know if any team's ever taken
a leap that large. Yeah, that's that's a pretty big job.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
In the other side of this is the uh, the
AJ Brown component, you know, I mean, I get it.
There's history there because Ray bull back with Tennessee and
he was upset when they got rid of AJ Brown
and all that kind of stuff. I don't know, and
to me, that just seems a little too too convenient,
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you know, like kind of thing. It just feels like
one of those convenient rumors that's that's sort of made up,
and I don't really know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Who next up for you?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Here?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Another draft rumor.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
After you're initially accepting his invite to attend the twenty
twenty five NFL draft live in Green Bay, Jackson, Dart
has since decided to stay at home for the big
night and watch it from his couch. Do you think
that this indicates that Dart's stock might not be as
high as we once thought and he's trying to avoid
that painful long wait in the green room, or does
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it have.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nothing to do with this stock whatsoever? Well, I mean,
maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The trick with these things are you get your name
out there on the initial list, and then you decide
to stay home and nobody remembers that, right, they just
saw your name on the initial list and your name
got no. Well, maybe we have to see him in
the first road. Maybe there are teams that think that,
and I think there's a couple of Michael Williams is
the bigger one.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
To me, that's the guy to go to the top
ten of this draft, and he stay at home.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't think that it has anything to do with that.
I think it's just the pr shell game. I think
his representation was like, yeah, well, totally attend so.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
That press release gets put out.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then everybody thinks of him as a first or second rounder,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you pull
your name off that you sit home because you realize
you're you're probably borderline there and you don't want to
be the guy that camera's focused on all night while
you're waiting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, this is one of those situations where I don't
think dark or is Cam is one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Obviously they've done workouts, these spokes.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And spoken to teams, but you're not getting as much
a claim as we're hearing about Cam War. Even in
the Broncos presser George Payton said to himself there's probably
two good type to get the quarterbacks in this draft,
but two to three guys, but only one guy is
perceived to being a top.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Guy, so that may be Camp.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that means everyone else will have to wait and
to either late in the first or the top of
the of the second round. And I think it's best
when you're I'm sure, be home around your people, right
because no one wants to sit in the green room
like Aaron Rodgers did. No one wants to sit in
the green room like Gino Smith did, just so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
So just be with your people.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
If something happens unsurprisingly, celebrate. If not, guess what you're
at home. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
With Start possibly going in the first round. Still, then
by your guys' answer, where do you think dart watch starts?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
I imagine with Shador we're starting to wonder if he's
going to go off the board at pick two. Where
are we gonna start watching for that Jackson dart bulletin?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, I mean you started the Steelers, you know, for
for all of it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Honestly, the Broncos at twenty, not the team, but the
draft slot is really where you're doing it because the
Steelers are there at twenty one, So that's where you're
starting to look for Shador, That's where you start to
look for Jackson Dart. I don't believe mill Rose in
the conversation yet at that point. I think he's, you know,
he's a Day two guy, Tyler Shulgan other Day two guy.
But you know, Dart and Sugar guys these Saints want.
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Could the Saints trade back in for those kinds of things?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Could the Steelers move up for Shad or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
There's there's a lot of interesting permutations to all that,
but I think Dart watch really starts at twenty whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
The Steelers twenty one, and with.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
The Broncos interested in trading back, do you think they
could do where we saw the Bears and Niners do
back in twenty seventeen. That kind of just one spots
while maybe they've scared the Steelers into thinking someone else
is coming to get their guy. Or do you think
Steelers are saying at twenty one and they'll see which
quarterback falls.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I think the Steelers are staying at twenty one. I
don't think they're moving. What was the rest of that question?
Speaker 9 (24:12):
I'm Sorry, that was it just kind of do you
think they could try and poach that Broncos pick A
twenty like we saw the Niners Bears thing there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh, I don't think that's I don't think that. I
think the Steelers are content to stay where they are
let the draft come to them. They've always been that
kind of organization that doesn't need to doesn't need to
do that, and.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
There's a reason why they've been really successful and only
had three head coaches in the team's tenure.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Think about that three.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
That is one of the crazier NFL stats, especially with
how quickly those guys get rotated nowadays the Raiders talking
about the team that's seen a lot of head coaches.
Raiders offensive tackle Colton Miller has been absent from the
start of voluntary workouts as he holds out in hopes
of scoring a contract extension from the Las Vegas Raiders.
With a new regime calling the shots, do you think
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Colton Miller is still part of the Raiders' long term plans?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I do, And I think all the rumors about the
Raiders taking Membo or an offensive lineman that all of
a sudden just started immediately after Colton Miller wanted a
new new contract are real, real convenient. I do believe
the Raiders should draft Chante. I do believe that Colton
Miller is in their plans. I just think they're at
a maximum leverage point right now and they're.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You know, they're playing their hand the way it's help
And it's interesting because remember it used to be hold
counts as they'll be seeing with Colton Miller. I mean
now things that reverse to the hold in. So I'm
the type of player that I would hold in. I
would go, I would show up, but I wouldn't do
a damn thing, so you can't find me. You can't
say that I didn't show up, because I did.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think sometimes in these cases, holding in is better
than holding out.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
With the Raiders being in.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The new situation that they're in, they're trying to turn
the corner. You want to make sure that you keep
quality linemen. So there may be something here where Miller
gets what he wants.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
By the way, to go back to your earlier question
about the largest trade ups ever, just trade up into
the first round was the Dallas Cowboys in nineteen ninety,
moving from forty seventh to eighteenth that's the largest jump.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
It's twenty nine right about the same one more than
than the high twenty ninth spots on the Eagles.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, Roughly the largest trade within the first round of
a team moving up was the twenty sixteen NFL Draft
the La Rams moving up fourteen spots to number one
to get Jared Gouff.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That makes sense.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
And then I wonder if the Eagles are in that
conversation too with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
But that just took multiple trade to them to do
it and eventually climb up there.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I like your guys's points about the Raiders. Keep in
Gortonilla right.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Or Raiders GM John spy Tech said he believes in
taking running backs high in the draft today and that's
the primary goal. However, despite you know, whatever positional value
beliefs is, they want to add elite players to the
Raiders roster. Nothing too surprising there. But how confident are
you now that Ashton Gent is going.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
To the Raiders?
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Where do you think this could all be an elaborate
smoke screen from Dagas.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I hate that term so much because that's the thing,
like if you've had good intel for.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
A long time and then people are.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like, no, it's actually not It's all the smoke screen,
and then it happens, and then nervous people are never
found again. You know, I think Chanty's going to the Raiders.
I do, I just do. I mean, unless the Jags
just decide to snake him at five. I thought about
the Patriots a little bit. You know, they've they've shown
a propensity. Mike Frable has to take a running back before.
But I don't think you can pass on the offensive lineman.
You need there to protect tradement. Greg may So, I
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suspect that the the Pats are gonna take Campbell, and
I still think the Jacks take Mason Graham. But I
love the idea of leaking out that you'd take Chanty
at five to see if you can get the Raiders
to come up one spot.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like the what the Niners did with.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The Bears with Trubisky had no competition for that, they
still got extra draft picks out of it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
This is where it seems once again, try to use
the Jedi mind trick, and as you know, if you're
a fan of Star Wars, it only works on the
weak minded. So there's a lot of Austin things out possibilities,
players of interest and hope that you would get a
team to make a move to probably jump up. And
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we know all of this is great now, for once
teams get on the clock, we're gonna see panics set in.
Teams are gonna make poor decisions. But for me, I
think all rows points to Ashton Genzy going to the Raiders.
If he's not, then because of the relationship with Chip Kelly,
then I can see one of the Ohio State running.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Backs being in that position.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Five Pray White has rejoined the Buffalo Bills to fan
favorite cornerback previously known as tra Davius, on a two
year deal that will potentially have him starting at cornerback
as the Bills have a big void at the position.
Do you think Trey White will make a big difference
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for the Bills this season as they look to finally
get that Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Win or do you think he's a little two over
the hu to make a major difference.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well, all the good news he is they play a
cover too Aaron Buffalo, so you can you know, if
you're a corner and you've lost a step, you could
still kind of play that low zone a little bit better.
Tredy's a good i'll tackle, He's a willing tackle at
the corner position. He's certainly got an eye for the ball.
So I think that having him in that locker room
is a good thing. I think happened out there's a
good thing. May not be the guy that he once was,
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you know, in terms of him being at his best
and he's prime, but you know, I think he's an
add to the locker room. I think it's beneficial and
I don't know if he's the piece that puts them
over the top necessarily. I think the offensive side of
the balls where they need to they need to know
if they need to add something.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, for me, he is a welcome addition back to
the team. You can celebrate that, but this is not
a move that's going to really put them over the top.
And you know, years ago, Davie's wife was one of
the premier corners in the league. And think about what
we saw last season when the Buffalo Bill's hosted the
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Baltimore Raths to Davie's White was a member of the
Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And now he gets a chance to return.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It's a great story, right, he can finish his career,
then that's probably what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But this is this is not going to be a
move that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You go, oh wow, I mean, this really changes things
for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Six.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Kukinikua said today that he believes the forty nine Ers
Super Bowl window will close done over if they choose
to pay brock Purty the fifty million dollars a year
that he's demanding this offseason. Do you agree with the
KUPA that giving party that major extension would jeopardize their
chances of competing at the highest levels. And you know,
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before we even get to the party contract, how much
danger is San Francisco's Super Bowl window already in?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, I don't think he meant for his comments to
be taken the way they were.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What I will say is it's a no no.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
For a guy to be talking about another guy's pocket,
you know, like in the end, Pokenakuda need to be talking
about rock parties pockets. So you know, I don't know
that I necessarily disagree with him, but as a player,
I certainly wouldn't be wouldn't be talking about another player's
negotiating leverage publicly. It's gonna be tough for San Francisco
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to field a team paying a quarterback that much money. Yeah,
it's gonna be. It makes it tougher you pay a quarterback.
It makes it tougher to field a great all around team.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It does. So I agree with his sentiments. I just
wouldn't have done it. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean today's athletes are entirely different. I mean Booking
the Corps was right to give his own opinion. And
if you give all the money to one particular player's
gonna hurt you. We saw what happened with No Devo Samuel,
So you gave it all of it to Rod Purty,
John and Kyle gonna have to be really I guess
specific as far as what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, you gotta be out of the draft. Froncos country
like back of this
In Broncos country tonight. But do it all right, Nick
Ferguson's actually he's here with you. We're efforting the cosmidor
from the athletic here just a feuel.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
But uh, as we are sitting.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Next week, we'll have draft coverage here on KOA. There'll
be a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Some of that maybe
over maybe over on k how if we have Rockies games,
But we are expected to have full draft coverage myself, Nick, Ryan,
Dave Logan, Rick Lewis actually years, all of us going
to be handling the draft, the entire the entirety of
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the draft like we do every year, and it's gonna
be a lot of fun. I know, it's a it
can be a bit of a slog. It can be
a bit the time you get to that third day.
By the time you get to that third day of
coverage and you've been on the air for for a while,
the third you can get a little.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Loopy in the afternoon on that Saturday loopy.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's interesting how you characterize and described it as loopy.
It's it's sense of repetitive exhaustion.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
You kinda I mean it, you know, you wouldn't think
that talking would just be exhausting.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Uh, but you know, you get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You start with all the previews on Thursday and you
start like three and you're done eleven.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Then the next day three and you're done at like
eleven pm.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And then the worst one, though, is because you got
the eleven pm turnaround on Friday, and then you gotta
be back down there at the valley. I think at
like nine or ten am in the morning. Maybe it's
earlier than that. I don't I don't really know. I'd
never noticed the day off, but you got to be
back there the next morning on the quick turnaround.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And then because you're doing rounds four through seven and
there's it's half the draft in one day.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's just it's just it is a marathon.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I think I know what it is because here's the
thing in the first round, and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I wouldn't have it any other Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The league does a great job of stretching, right, stretching.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You have to beat the first round. Pay everybody knows
who they're taking a number one, and they still.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Use the whole clock.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
They use it because the idea you have to milk
that first round and you have to admit when you
look at the draft itself, it's one of the better
dramatic shows than any other professional league around. So they
do a great job of stretching it out, drawing it out,
because most teams actually know by this stage of the
game who they're selecting. Like the team, like I think
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it is it Tennessee on the clock first, right, Tennessee's
on the clock first.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Do they need the entire three or four minutes to
make their selectionsteen minutes?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean there are fifteen minutes, and they'll make them
use you know why, because the.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
NFL wants to sell the commercial I.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Sell the commercials, baby, which you know helps us out
to But well, well.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, because once you get into that back that day three,
you exhausted because not just of talking, but now you're
you're really digging into crates with certain prospects because at
that point there's not a lot of information out there
about them.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah. I mean the first time I had seen a
picture of Nick R.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Julio last year after he was drafted by the Broncos,
and I was like that that mustache and mullet combination, uh,
feathered and lethal.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It was like the taker.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I was here, made me get him on the
phone for the interview right after he gets picked, and
I'm like trying to talk to you about He's like, ah,
I shaped it off, and I'm like, yeah, what are
we doing? It's good?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Can't wait?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Come to this both Common Spirit Health Hotline.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Put Laura, I'm already got marbles in my mouth and
bring on Nick Cosminor from the Athletic.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Nick, how you do, buddy, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
It was that guard Julo that you were referencing.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, that mustache and mullet combination was feathered
and lethal.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yeah yeah, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
And it's just like, Fuddy, you had to have given us.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
At least like rookie mini camp with that thing. You know,
we deserved at least a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I did.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I felt I felt cheated, bamboozle, swindled, and I let
him know in no uncertain terms and he did not
even care in the slightest So uh good?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Have you good? Have you on board here?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Man? You were on the call, the pre draft call,
I believe early with uh with Daniel Jeremiah today?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I tell you DJ got stammina man.
He just like he'll go for two.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Hours without ever like a single change in tone or
any any betrayal of exhaustion. He's an impressive dude in
that regard.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What all did he have to say about the the
Bronco situation? Because what I saw on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Largely echoes kind of what I've been talking about since February.
And you know, I had everybody in their mother on
Twitter screaming at me. They were going they had a
wide receiver, this, that.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
And the other.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
But it looks like, yeah, he seemed pretty convinced that
maybe running back or tight end was or trade back,
we're kind of the options.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Yeah, and I think that, you know, Ben, you've known
this too, Like it seems like as this has gone on,
like we all knew that the running back position was
their number one position of.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Need emerging from free agency.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Right there, they still need a lot there in essentially
every aspect, Like they need a more consistent runner, they
need more pass catching juice out of the backfield, they need,
you know, somebody to replace Davonte Williams.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Is kind of like your key pass protecting third down,
you know, to keep bo Nicks clean.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
And so the idea that that they would fill that
with a first round pick. I mean, there's just a
lot of logic to that.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
And as this has gone along, yeah, I think guys.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Like like DJ and others are saying, not only is
that a need, but but the talent is going to
be there for them, you know, whether that is sitting
at twenty and getting a guy like Amari and Hampton,
you know, maybe the opportunity. He thinks Travon Henderson being
a good fit there if all it checks out well,
you know, medically and.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Everything else, because of his ability.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
More so than other guys in this class to be able.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
To step in right away and play on third down
given his blocking ability.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
So yeah, that was kind of that was kind of his.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Read on the situation with where Denver is. But he's
just you know, intrigued.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
I think by the idea that if you're if you're Cleveland,
if you're in New York and you're not taking the
quarterback of one of those first one of those early picks,
then you know, hey, Denver at twenty, getting ahead of
Pittsburgh or anybody else who might be trying to get
up there, you know, could be the landing spot. If
you're really willing to go do that, you know, to
me in New York just because of who they've got,
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you know, kind of going to do what they did
at the quarterback position this offseason and knowing that that
that regime obviously, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Kind of on the hot seat they need to win now.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Be a little more surprised from them.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Cleveland makes a little more sense to me. But but
either way that that was kind of a takeaway from
from Daniel Jeremiah in terms of kind.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Of what he's really intrigued by with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Big As a former defensive player coach in this league,
I like to lean heavily on the defensive side of
the ball. And when we go back to that pre
draft press conference earlier in the week, listening to Sean Payton,
he was asked about bow knicks, but I think it
was three times he mentioned defense, and it's something I've
talked to Ben about as far as the way that
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you help a quarterback rookie your veteran is on the
defensive side of the ball. Based on how many times
that Sean Payton mentioned the fact of how you help
bo Is on the defensive side of the ball, did
you think there's a possibility that this draft could be
helped heavy tilted towards defense for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
I don't know about heavy tilted just because of like
where where their their needs are. I mean, when you're
talking about the defense that is bringing back every every
player along the defensive front that that that played for
you last year, I mean they had sixty three sacks.
I think they only lose what two and a half
of those in free agency with Cody Barton going somewhere else.
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So well, I certainly think they.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Are going to add defensive.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
Depth, and I understand what Sean Sean Payton is saying,
you have I think more of you have more ground
to make up in terms of, say, you know, running
back or even still the tight end position of getting
that group even even better and having that be the
thing that lifts you because you're absolutely right now as
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you know, like as a quarterback, if you're if your
defense is getting the ball back quickly, you know, and
doing a lot of the things that Denver did like
last year, you know, that's going to help you a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
And and so but I think that the.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Reality is that they're they need to continue adding young
depths on the defensive line and all those things. But
I just I just think when you talk about heavily tilted,
I see it being more offensive, just because like the
ground from where they need to go offensively versus what
they need to keep adding defensively, I think it kilts
more to the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Ty and the cosmier from the athletic nick.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You know, the idea of the Broncos trading back off
twenty for a team that maybe looking at a quarterback slide,
and that slide, obviously, I think all people would understand
that would be shud or standers. Do you think that
that's something that's that's realistic because we look at this thing.
You know, this is a draft that sort of is
fat in that second the fourth round. You know, if
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you're sitting there multiplying ticks in there, they would seem
advantageous to the to the Broncos. But do you think
it's a realistic scenario.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
I'm big on historical context, especially like any kind of
relatively refent history, and we just have so much of
it from a draft perspective.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Of Sean Payton, guys, and he doesn't do that. He
doesn't trade back in the.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
First round, certainly not out of the first round, right Like,
anytime he has made a trade.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
In the first round, it has always been to go up,
whether that.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Was you know, going up seven spots from twenty seven
to twenty to get Brandon Cooks, whether that was trading
back into the first round in twenty eleven giving up
a future first to go up.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And get mark Ingram.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
You don't find these examples of him going from twenty
out of the first round.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I just don't see that.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Being viable because we haven't we haven't seen it. It's
sort of the same thing too, you know, all this
talk you hear about, you know, well why don't they
just you know, if Ashton genty is the guy that
puts them over the top, why not trade up and
get them again historical context, there has not been a
trade in the first round where a team moved up
during the draft to select a running back since twenty fifteen,
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and that was the Chargers going two spots from.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Seventeen to fifteen to draft Melvin Gordon. It's just not
the kind of the modern.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
Landscape of the positional value and how teams like sort
of view it.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, you can draft one in.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
The first round, but giving up major assets in order
to draft a guy at a very fungible position. It's
just not how you build good, solid like depth of
premium spots.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So again, I do I think it's impossible.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
No, it's just hard for me to bet on something
that doesn't have the historical context to it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
All right, let's remove the historical context to it and
put Nick Cosmider on the clock. I want you to
act as though you are the GM for the Denver Broncos.
So put your GM head on and tell me, sitting
at twenty with this talent out there in conversations about
running back so on and so forth, what is it
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that you would do? Would you stay pat and what
player would you take? And if you would move back, well,
what player would you take moving?
Speaker 7 (11:02):
If it was me and it was twenty and he
was available, I would draft to Marion Hampton.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
And I know that might not be like the funnest thing,
just based on the.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Fact that you've heard that name over and over again,
but I just I mean, man, this guy he ran
for fifteen hundred yards last year and has.
Speaker 8 (11:17):
Done it almost identical stats the last two seasons, including
last year when obviously everybody in that conference was loading
up against him with Drake Maygon knowing that he was
the focal point of what.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
They were trying to do offensively and still being able
to have the success that he that he had. I
like his build, you know, I kind of like the
style that he runs with. Is he a perfect player
at that position? No, But you draft him in the
first round and then you go get you know, any
number of guys in maybe the fourth or fifth round
that can then feel that, like you know, Darren Sproles
(11:52):
type role, right like Dale Jeremiah mentioned, guys like Jayden
Blue out of Texas for Shard Smith.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Out of SMU, who we know that they have spent
time with.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
It certainly does not have to be a one back
answer for them.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I think they'll address it more than once.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
But that's where I go.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
I just think it's it's a bit your biggest need,
it's a match, and I think I don't think you're
wasting the opportunity cost by taking a running back, because again,
as we as we've discussed, there's not twenty guys with
first round grades on their board. You know, our guy
Dame Brugler, thirteen guys with true first round grades in
his rankings, and it just seems like, you know, then
(12:26):
you you talk to more people I believe than I do,
just in terms of like their boards. But I don't
think you're having a lot of teams to have more
than fifteen seventeen guys. So it's not as if you're
just giving up a blue chip opportunity to draft the
pass rusher or a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
With those kind of grades. Well, for all those.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Reasons, I just think it would make a lot of
sense if he is there for Hampton to be their guy.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I love it is. That is absolutely the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, that has been my bang the table pick
since back in December now, but I would love it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Nick Ferguson wants to go a little bit different direction with.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It, but you know, I'm hoping I can put my
hands together with a big w and throw a tang.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Maybe donors, let's.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Make this fun.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
I mean and really, and it's just like and hey like,
if they do something else, well you know we'll be
interested in the explanations and and what it can do and.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Go from there.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
I just I like, look, I just think Sean Dayton
knows what he wants, Like He's gone two years now
without having anything resembling like a true stud in the backfield.
Like I think he's he's getting the quarterback with his
obviously number one priority went out and got the tight end.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Two years of not having that was long enough.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I just think he's gonna ultimately feel the same way
about the running back.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey, Nick, you brought up Richard Submid that SMU, which
I think would be a valuable pickup for that Darren
Sprose type of row.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
But what do you what do you think about this?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Because to me, if you throw Spros in there, you
got to think Pierre Thomas who played for Peyton, who
was an undrafted guy.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
What about Trevor Etn fitting that.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Row from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
He's about five nine and that's a smaller guy, but
also he can get missing the guy that second level explosiveness.
Would you be willing And if the Broncos did you
pick up a guy like Trevor et M would that
suffice to in that particular role for you?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
I think I think he's another guy probably in that range.
He's maybe somebody that would come a little bit earlier,
because I think teams are going to see him also
as somebody who brings you a fair amount of juice
as a runner, and so for that reason, I think
he might be a guy where if I'm going first
round with with Hampton, I'm probably not touching the position
(14:27):
again until you know, maybe I trade back in the
fourth a little bit and then pick up a fifth
and then maybe that's the that's the pick that I
use on. You know, whether it's it's it's Jayden Blue
or you know Smith or Scataboo or or Kataboo is
going to be in the same you know, kind of
third round area.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
But no, I like the overall concept of it.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
I certainly do like. And if for whatever reason the
value just becomes too good that somebody that falls to
them in both the first and second and they don't
end up going back going with the running back in
those first year rounds, I'd be surprised.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
But that's when I it would to kind of makes some.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Sense with a guy like gets the end, who I
think will.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Probably go in the top seventy five pix or so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
All right, Nick, last question here, real quick, Nick Cosmeti
from the Athletic.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Who's somebody not the first round?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Who's somebody you'd love to see this team wind up
with later in the draft. Who's one of your guys
that you're secretly hoping that they come away with.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Well, it's kind of funny because I, you know, obviously
with who I think that they probably should and will
take in the first round, being Hampton. I really like
Dylan Sampson. And the reason is that the running back
out of Tennessee. The reason is is because there's just
there's something where he's not like a jaw dropping athlete,
but he just has a level of compete that he
(15:40):
runs with that's really impressive. And he's a guy that
just sort of seems to sniff the goal line, you know,
thirty five touchdowns the last three years, you know, just
in that mold of a guy who knows how to
like make winning football plays.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
And the story's cool too, right, He wor six at
Tennessee because of Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
He wanted to play running back as a little key because.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
You know, I grew up in the in the Baton
Rouge area and idolized Reggie Bush, which you know, if
that's coming to the league now, like Reggie Bush was
their small childhood idol. That's making me feel real old,
but but nonetheless be a cool be a cool story,
you know. There and then of course as an Arizona
steak guy. You know, I'm just real for camp scattaboy.
(16:22):
Just very interested to see where.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
He ultimately lands and what he becomes. You know, he's
a guy that that I have my eye on.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
So yeah, yeah, I guess this really just is all
about running backs shirt right now.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Hey, I'm with you on that. I certainly certainly appreciate. Yeah,
we were feeling old earlier when I told Nick that
are you Godala the second.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
In that category?
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Okay, Wettt Blood Junior has committed to North Carolina, like
made me feel ald just saying Nick, well, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Look forward to.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Seeing you around watching him.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, don't you just feel like you were watching blunt.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Uh slug the dude the boys stake. It's like, doesn't
I feel like the other day.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It was like yesterday, like what happened? But anyway, Yeah,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Look forward to catch up with you at the draft
next week. That causbutter from the athletic We'll come back
in an NFL six pack. I feel like we've got
marbles in my mouth or something. It's been one of
those days. Like you ever ever go trying to talk
to your bosson every time you go in there, you're
like you're saying something, but you're not communicating effectively what
(17:25):
it is you're trying to communicate.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Oh, I know what that is.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Nobody translates to zach seekers that's the job Moran's indro.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I see what you did there, slipping that one
back here.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
I have no idea what it's nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I have a great communicator, Like I actually am a
really good communicator. I only do this for a living.
When I got in there, we're like.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You you can't say, on one hand, hey man, I'm
a great communicator, but you go in Tabra's office and
you get the mumble mouth.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah that was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like I had a mouthful of marbles.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm just sitting there like I'm wow. You know, yeah,
it was. It was fantastic. Five six six zeros text
line over that. Just get the NFL six pack. It's
time for the NFL sick pad.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I'm gonna trade the last beer.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Insight and insight information you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
I know.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Six the top six NFL headline.
Speaker 9 (18:18):
What w e EI that's in Boston for people that
don't know, uh we I s. Paul Fitzgerald has reported
that if Abdul Carter somehow slides all the way to
the fourth pick, that the New England Patriots would trade
back with the Philadelphia Eagles for a package that would
(18:39):
include a J. Brown and a few first round picks
and would allow Philly to draft the star pass rusher
out of ten state. That seems pretty far fetched. So, Ben,
is there any chance at all of this happening?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I'm curious what.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Do you guys think they that this would make the
Eagles better or worse over the next three years.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh, I know Philly and Wheeling deal and how he
has some some screw cooking that they want to do.
I don't believe that this has any chance of coming
to fruition. And Abdul Carter could be gone as soon
as two, as two.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Won't be there after three, So I don't really know
what to what to say about that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So yeah, I mean, this is all moot points.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's fun to speculate about stuff, but at the end
of the day, throwing stuff at a wall that you
have no chance of ever happening, so you can't be
proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
There's certainly one way to do this. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't know that the Eagles would would necessarily trade
all that. I don't But what I will say is
how Rosman certainly been open for business before. So if
he identifies Abdul Carter with that kind of grade, wouldn't
surprise me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You know, this time of years, so many wow, crazy
things come out, and with the purpose of how can
we throw the dogs off the sind We're going to
show him with the left hand is doing is thick
of our right hand in their pocket. That's what kind
of this seems like it is somewhat of a politic.
I mean, I don't think Philly, even though coming off
(20:04):
of a Super Bowl, would it's himpt something this agreesous.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
If it does happen, we can revisit.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And Almos said, well, this is the crazy thing I've
ever seen, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Yeah, it would be unprecedented to my knowledge for a
team to trade all the way from thirty two up
to four. I don't know if any team's ever taken
a leap that large. Yeah, that's that's a pretty big job.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
In the other side of this is the uh, the
AJ Brown component, you know, I mean, I get it.
There's history there because Ray bull back with Tennessee and
he was upset when they got rid of AJ Brown
and all that kind of stuff. I don't know, and
to me, that just seems a little too too convenient,
(20:46):
you know, like kind of thing. It just feels like
one of those convenient rumors that's that's sort of made up,
and I don't really know what to do with that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Who next up for you?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Here?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Another draft rumor.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
After you're initially accepting his invite to attend the twenty
twenty five NFL draft live in Green Bay, Jackson, Dart
has since decided to stay at home for the big
night and watch it from his couch. Do you think
that this indicates that Dart's stock might not be as
high as we once thought and he's trying to avoid
that painful long wait in the green room, or does
(21:21):
it have.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Nothing to do with this stock whatsoever? Well, I mean,
maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The trick with these things are you get your name
out there on the initial list, and then you decide
to stay home and nobody remembers that, right, they just
saw your name on the initial list and your name
got no. Well, maybe we have to see him in
the first road. Maybe there are teams that think that,
and I think there's a couple of Michael Williams is
the bigger one.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
To me, that's the guy to go to the top
ten of this draft, and he stay at home.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't think that it has anything to do with that.
I think it's just the pr shell game. I think
his representation was like, yeah, well, totally attend so.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
That press release gets put out.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then everybody thinks of him as a first or second rounder,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you pull
your name off that you sit home because you realize
you're you're probably borderline there and you don't want to
be the guy that camera's focused on all night while
you're waiting.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Well, this is one of those situations where I don't
think dark or is Cam is one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Obviously they've done workouts, these spokes.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And spoken to teams, but you're not getting as much
a claim as we're hearing about Cam War. Even in
the Broncos presser George Payton said to himself there's probably
two good type to get the quarterbacks in this draft,
but two to three guys, but only one guy is
perceived to being a top.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Guy, so that may be Camp.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that means everyone else will have to wait and
to either late in the first or the top of
the of the second round. And I think it's best
when you're I'm sure, be home around your people, right
because no one wants to sit in the green room
like Aaron Rodgers did. No one wants to sit in
the green room like Gino Smith did, just so embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
So just be with your people.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
If something happens unsurprisingly, celebrate. If not, guess what you're
at home. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
With Start possibly going in the first round. Still, then
by your guys' answer, where do you think dart watch starts?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
I imagine with Shador we're starting to wonder if he's
going to go off the board at pick two. Where
are we gonna start watching for that Jackson dart bulletin?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, I mean you started the Steelers, you know, for
for all of it.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Honestly, the Broncos at twenty, not the team, but the
draft slot is really where you're doing it because the
Steelers are there at twenty one, So that's where you're
starting to look for Shador, That's where you start to
look for Jackson Dart. I don't believe mill Rose in
the conversation yet at that point. I think he's, you know,
he's a Day two guy, Tyler Shulgan other Day two guy.
But you know, Dart and Sugar guys these Saints want.
(23:38):
Could the Saints trade back in for those kinds of things?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Could the Steelers move up for Shad or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
There's there's a lot of interesting permutations to all that,
but I think Dart watch really starts at twenty whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
The Steelers twenty one, and with.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
The Broncos interested in trading back, do you think they
could do where we saw the Bears and Niners do
back in twenty seventeen. That kind of just one spots
while maybe they've scared the Steelers into thinking someone else
is coming to get their guy. Or do you think
Steelers are saying at twenty one and they'll see which
quarterback falls.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I think the Steelers are staying at twenty one. I
don't think they're moving. What was the rest of that question?
Speaker 9 (24:12):
I'm Sorry, that was it just kind of do you
think they could try and poach that Broncos pick A
twenty like we saw the Niners Bears thing there.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh, I don't think that's I don't think that. I
think the Steelers are content to stay where they are
let the draft come to them. They've always been that
kind of organization that doesn't need to doesn't need to
do that, and.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
There's a reason why they've been really successful and only
had three head coaches in the team's tenure.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Think about that three.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
That is one of the crazier NFL stats, especially with
how quickly those guys get rotated nowadays the Raiders talking
about the team that's seen a lot of head coaches.
Raiders offensive tackle Colton Miller has been absent from the
start of voluntary workouts as he holds out in hopes
of scoring a contract extension from the Las Vegas Raiders.
With a new regime calling the shots, do you think
(24:58):
Colton Miller is still part of the Raiders' long term plans?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I do, And I think all the rumors about the
Raiders taking Membo or an offensive lineman that all of
a sudden just started immediately after Colton Miller wanted a
new new contract are real, real convenient. I do believe
the Raiders should draft Chante. I do believe that Colton
Miller is in their plans. I just think they're at
a maximum leverage point right now and they're.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
You know, they're playing their hand the way it's help
And it's interesting because remember it used to be hold
counts as they'll be seeing with Colton Miller. I mean
now things that reverse to the hold in. So I'm
the type of player that I would hold in. I
would go, I would show up, but I wouldn't do
a damn thing, so you can't find me. You can't
say that I didn't show up, because I did.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think sometimes in these cases, holding in is better
than holding out.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
With the Raiders being in.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
The new situation that they're in, they're trying to turn
the corner. You want to make sure that you keep
quality linemen. So there may be something here where Miller
gets what he wants.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
By the way, to go back to your earlier question
about the largest trade ups ever, just trade up into
the first round was the Dallas Cowboys in nineteen ninety,
moving from forty seventh to eighteenth that's the largest jump.
Speaker 9 (26:06):
It's twenty nine right about the same one more than
than the high twenty ninth spots on the Eagles.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, Roughly the largest trade within the first round of
a team moving up was the twenty sixteen NFL Draft
the La Rams moving up fourteen spots to number one
to get Jared Gouff.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That makes sense.
Speaker 9 (26:25):
And then I wonder if the Eagles are in that
conversation too with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
But that just took multiple trade to them to do
it and eventually climb up there.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I like your guys's points about the Raiders. Keep in
Gortonilla right.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
Or Raiders GM John spy Tech said he believes in
taking running backs high in the draft today and that's
the primary goal. However, despite you know, whatever positional value
beliefs is, they want to add elite players to the
Raiders roster. Nothing too surprising there. But how confident are
you now that Ashton Gent is going.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
To the Raiders?
Speaker 9 (27:00):
Where do you think this could all be an elaborate
smoke screen from Dagas.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I hate that term so much because that's the thing,
like if you've had good intel for.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
A long time and then people are.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Like, no, it's actually not It's all the smoke screen,
and then it happens, and then nervous people are never
found again. You know, I think Chanty's going to the Raiders.
I do, I just do. I mean, unless the Jags
just decide to snake him at five. I thought about
the Patriots a little bit. You know, they've they've shown
a propensity. Mike Frable has to take a running back before.
But I don't think you can pass on the offensive lineman.
You need there to protect tradement. Greg may So, I
(27:31):
suspect that the the Pats are gonna take Campbell, and
I still think the Jacks take Mason Graham. But I
love the idea of leaking out that you'd take Chanty
at five to see if you can get the Raiders
to come up one spot.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like the what the Niners did with.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The Bears with Trubisky had no competition for that, they
still got extra draft picks out of it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
This is where it seems once again, try to use
the Jedi mind trick, and as you know, if you're
a fan of Star Wars, it only works on the
weak minded. So there's a lot of Austin things out possibilities,
players of interest and hope that you would get a
team to make a move to probably jump up. And
(28:10):
we know all of this is great now, for once
teams get on the clock, we're gonna see panics set in.
Teams are gonna make poor decisions. But for me, I
think all rows points to Ashton Genzy going to the Raiders.
If he's not, then because of the relationship with Chip Kelly,
then I can see one of the Ohio State running.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Backs being in that position.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
Five Pray White has rejoined the Buffalo Bills to fan
favorite cornerback previously known as tra Davius, on a two
year deal that will potentially have him starting at cornerback
as the Bills have a big void at the position.
Do you think Trey White will make a big difference
(28:54):
for the Bills this season as they look to finally
get that Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Win or do you think he's a little two over
the hu to make a major difference.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well, all the good news he is they play a
cover too Aaron Buffalo, so you can you know, if
you're a corner and you've lost a step, you could
still kind of play that low zone a little bit better.
Tredy's a good i'll tackle, He's a willing tackle at
the corner position. He's certainly got an eye for the ball.
So I think that having him in that locker room
is a good thing. I think happened out there's a
good thing. May not be the guy that he once was,
(29:22):
you know, in terms of him being at his best
and he's prime, but you know, I think he's an
add to the locker room. I think it's beneficial and
I don't know if he's the piece that puts them
over the top necessarily. I think the offensive side of
the balls where they need to they need to know
if they need to add something.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, for me, he is a welcome addition back to
the team. You can celebrate that, but this is not
a move that's going to really put them over the top.
And you know, years ago, Davie's wife was one of
the premier corners in the league. And think about what
we saw last season when the Buffalo Bill's hosted the
(29:56):
Baltimore Raths to Davie's White was a member of the
Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And now he gets a chance to return.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
It's a great story, right, he can finish his career,
then that's probably what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But this is this is not going to be a
move that.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You go, oh wow, I mean, this really changes things
for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Six.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Kukinikua said today that he believes the forty nine Ers
Super Bowl window will close done over if they choose
to pay brock Purty the fifty million dollars a year
that he's demanding this offseason. Do you agree with the
KUPA that giving party that major extension would jeopardize their
chances of competing at the highest levels. And you know,
(30:42):
before we even get to the party contract, how much
danger is San Francisco's Super Bowl window already in?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, I don't think he meant for his comments to
be taken the way they were.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
What I will say is it's a no no.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
For a guy to be talking about another guy's pocket,
you know, like in the end, Pokenakuda need to be talking
about rock parties pockets. So you know, I don't know
that I necessarily disagree with him, but as a player,
I certainly wouldn't be wouldn't be talking about another player's
negotiating leverage publicly. It's gonna be tough for San Francisco
(31:15):
to field a team paying a quarterback that much money. Yeah,
it's gonna be. It makes it tougher you pay a quarterback.
It makes it tougher to field a great all around team.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It does. So I agree with his sentiments. I just
wouldn't have done it. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I mean today's athletes are entirely different. I mean Booking
the Corps was right to give his own opinion. And
if you give all the money to one particular player's
gonna hurt you. We saw what happened with No Devo Samuel,
So you gave it all of it to Rod Purty,
John and Kyle gonna have to be really I guess
specific as far as what they do.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, you gotta be out of the draft. Froncos country
like back of this
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