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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. You'll find out with Pete and the poel
Cold I'm Peter Leonard.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And I'm the poet Goal.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
She seems surprised by that. And we're on the having
a discussion about the political implications of our recent national elections.
And before we get to our various perspectives, which and
we'll hold Brian Doyle forming a service administrator of family Services.
(00:24):
It's in the clovelle, a Vassar student and poblic goal.
Before we get to all those people, we're going to
go to public goal for her poem.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Short and Sweet. Some of the regular listeners may know
this one, this will be new for the for the
new listeners. It's called one Land. We were always making
up stories about us and them, Them and us lives
appear distant, some divided by fences, not quite within reach, misunderstood.
Are we losing sight? We exist on one land.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And it's importantly it's called America. From a seed to
shining sea. And one of the things that happened in
this last election is young people got a chance to vote,
and first time voters, and the demographics was such that
since twenty sixteen, a lots of older people died and
(01:23):
younger people were coming in, and the expectation was the
younger people would be very much in favor of the Democrats,
which wound up not being true. But we have a
young voter with us today, a young woman, Sinney Covell,
and so you give us a sense of what your
perspective was on the election and the way young people
(01:45):
might have reacted to it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So I was personally really devastated and shocked. I think
I have a lot of media that I look at
that is very democratic, and therefore my perspective on the
outcome of this election was very skewed. I listened to
the podcast The Daily, and they had one really optimistic
(02:07):
episode in favor of Harris, and I took that and
I ran, I sprinted, I went so far in the
direction of she's winning, he's not. I woke up on
Wednesday morning completely devastated, and I went to my first
class and everyone was in shambles. We all voted for
(02:28):
the very first time in a presidential election, and my
professor's first thought of comfort was to tell us that
this was our fault. That you know, it is up
to us to lead our country into the future, and
this time we failed. But next time, we won't. And
(02:48):
you know, I found that both really unsettling and kind
of you know, him just putting all of that blame
on us, because first of all, a lot of my
friends didn't vote, and it really affected me. I struggled
to talk to them. I was talking with their parents,
and their parents were angry at them, you know, like
(03:08):
watching their text with their moms, you know, their mom
screaming at them, like you, how could you do this
to your country? And you know, because the young people
do feel like this country's destiny in the senses, in
our hands, because everyone, all the other generations are telling
us that. And it is this weird kind of power
dynamic of what do we do now, how do we
(03:29):
actually make effective change? And one one statistic that I
did want to bring up that really struck me was
how most of Trump's voters were white women, and historically
white women struggle to vote democratically, that's always been a
common theme. But black women we always vote democratically. And
(03:52):
I looked around in the room at my first class
of the day on Wednesday, and all of the white
women in my class had expressed that their other white
women friends from home were voting for Trump. And this
is places like Massachusetts, like California, places you wouldn't necessarily
(04:13):
expect to have friends from home that are Republican. And
it made me realize, I don't understand where my country's going.
I thought I knew a lot more about politics than
I do, and clearly we have a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So you learned something about humility, you learned something about
where you get your information from, and you were encouraged
by your teacher too. You might have been dumped on.
Hey man, we lasted up. You fix it, which is
sort of bullyish. But I also want to parenthetically mention
(04:53):
although most students in faculty ADVASSA are Democrats, there's still
a conservative, a very strong conservative presence.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
At Faster one fifty vote Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, well, but the vehement and their faculty members there.
So it's not like VASTA is uh, you know, without
a conservative perspective, a goal are you're going to say something.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah no to your to your point of a lot
of white women voted for I think something I read
to fifty two percent of white women were expected to
vote for Trump, and that was up there with Latin
men also, you know, fifty four percent of Latin men
voting voting for Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And the Latin men they voted only fifty four percent
or fifty six percent, and it was up fourteen points
from the last time from Biden. And Latino men are explicit,
you know, not every single one, but there's a way
of talking about sexism, which is they're more comfortable than
(06:02):
we are. As familiar middle class person who you know,
were to say, hey, man, women shouldn't be ruling, you know,
whereas the Latin men where ecusemore comes from, are comfortable
with that. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I said to an acquaintance of mine who's Latin from Mexico,
and I said, you know, he said, well go, you know,
a lot of us are gonna wind up voting for
Trump no matter you know what you say. And I said,
but let's think about the sweeps. I said, don't you
think that you're going to get swept up when they come?
I said, they're going to be some major errors made.
(06:38):
And he cited someone in New Poults that that was
swept up at the time. And I remember this, Uh,
he worked at a restaurant and how he was caught up, detained,
held and then ultimately released because everyone galvanized around it
and advocated and did what needed to be done to
get him to release. But it was his position was
(06:59):
so nonchalant in our conversation, Uh, my friend and that
he said, well, you know, I mean, you know, we'll
go through that. We'll go through that, but it'll work
out in the end. And I said, it doesn't work
out in the end for everyone. It's not just some
little inconvenience.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The position was if his paperwork is right, then then
it'll come back. And I said not everybody comes back, No,
most people don't.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And that was his Brian mentioned last week on the
other show one of the promises was we're gonna have
mas deportation right. And math doesn't mean we're going to
consider every individual case on its merits. It means, come on, man,
you uh, we're getting little rid of people who are
(07:45):
or even look like they're from Central America.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's the cover.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's the cover. That's that's the cover.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You know, it's it's not not only are we going
to quote unquote get rid of these people, but we'll
sweep up everybody else and between. You know, once again,
if you're listening to finding out with Pete in the
Poet Gold. I'm Peter Len and I'm the Poet Gold.
And we're here with Brian Dole and Sidney Covell, who
was our intern, was in the conversation earlier, but right
(08:13):
now we're going to continue the conversation with former CEO
of Family Services, Inc.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So Brian, let's go back to your general impressions, which
you were so ARTICU a little about last week and
what you might be thinking also on maybe the racial
issue in terms of fifty three percent of white women
voting for Trumpell Latino men changing in such a dramatic
number from the Biden vote.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Again, I spoke of a lot of underlying reasons, and
there were I think certainly strains of racism in there,
but not everybody voted for pardon me sexism, sexism, No, absolutely,
those are all there. And you know, again when we
talk about implicit biases, those are not conscious decisions that
(09:06):
people made, but those were there. But also there were
others too.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
President Biden's handling of immigration in the border was not
what it should have been. I think immigration reform has
long been an issue that has eluded many presidents and
many Senates and congressmen. But I think what Biden did
(09:36):
and didn't do did not help there, and that was
fuel on the fire in terms of people's sentiments around
around you know, immigration, the issue of inflation. While I
think he and others failed to point out that inflation
was something that engulfed the whole world, you know, post
(09:58):
pandemic because of suppor life chain issues, et cetera, et cetera.
The government did spend significant amount of money on relief
for people, spent a lot of money on infrastructure that
was way overdue that Trump had promised in his first
term to spend on he never did. And yet when
Biden did and contributed i'm sure to inflation that you know,
(10:23):
he got hit with that. So I think there are
many things that transpire during the administrative, the Biden administration
that was very, very problematic to many people, and so
they wanted somebody to shake things up, and you know,
and and but maybe not shake things up too much. No,
(10:45):
he's not really going to do all that stuff. But
I think we see now, yes he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Look at his appointments and to think that he okay,
to your point, you know, for anyone thinking that he
wouldn't do all this stuff. This is a person who
what what word do I want to use? Peter sort
of instigated January sixth, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
He planned and encourage and executed it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So so to think that that this person won't, you know,
do mass deportation is I don't know, just I think
a little absurd, you know, to think that he wouldn't
do some of the things that he he says he's
going to do, you know, get rid of the federal government,
you know, get rid of the Department of Education, and
you know, at least try to, you know, get rid
of Affordable Care Act, where there are so many people
(11:35):
on the Affordable Care Act and when they wake up
one day and find out, especially if they cast the
vote that way, that it's gone, well, you know, that's
that's what you voted for.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, it is, you know. And as as far as
January sixth goes, you know, look at what happened immediately
following January sixth, and how much condemnation came toward Trump
for that, and yet little by little people bowed down
to him, kissed the ring, and it was swept away.
(12:04):
And you know, we're not expected to remember that and no,
it wasn't really an insurrection. It was these people are
being held improperly and they're going to be pardon now
because they were patriots and we bought it as a country.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And you know the part where you claim to win
an election that you didn't win and then you act
on it and you get people act in concert with you.
It's just really and anybody in the Republican Party who
is still a member in good standing has to say
they think that Trump won the twenty twenty election or
else they don't get promoted in his thing. That's just
(12:44):
a lie, and that's disgraceful, and he'll do anything in
the January sixth thing proves it. And Brian, you have
points about worldwide inflation. Not only was your worldwide inflation
the United States the inflationary can down quicker and more
profoundly than any other nation in the world. And so
(13:05):
you know, the question, what did Biden do? What policy
did he have that made inflation go up to fourteen
percent in Britain? The answer is nothing. I mean, you know,
you know who knows what makes the inflation go up
or down. But Biden did not cause it, but it
did come down. I don't know what. We might have
(13:26):
just gotten lucky. But blaming inflation is belogning. And the
immigration thing, but Trump, we could have solved that problem
in February, and Trump said, no, it would be better
to run against the problem than solve it. That's blogny, too, Peter.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Fear blinds us to such, you know, flagrant facts, and
the fear that people have had about losing their country
to immigrants, to cultural changes that they just don't understand,
(14:04):
to people being asked to examine our history in light
of what it really has been. And you know Howard
Zinn used to be demonized, and by some he is
still demonized. But he told many truths that this country
was not ready to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And not everybody knows how it's in it. He wrote.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The real history of the United States, and people, yeah,
thank you. And you know, he bared the many sins
that we have had. And yet people do not want
to think of this country as having committed sins, and
yet we have, and each one of us have committed sins.
And this is not about you know, trying to blame
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this person or tell that white person that he's bad,
but rather collectively take a look at who we are,
who we have been, and how we can do better.
And yet there was not uh uh, there was not
an allowance for that. And as a matter of fact,
that was uh, you know, terribly distorted, and and it
(15:14):
was taken advantage of by Donald Trump and the people
who have followed him.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right, absolutely definitely tapped into individual xenophobia and and and
something that you hit the nail on the head about
which I speak about often and sort of addresses a
little bit in my next book. But the individual fear,
how how it becomes a collective monster, so to speak,
when when you're dealing with the country and not not
(15:40):
not having the willingness to address your own personal fears
and its impact on the community. You know, the community
could be your family even y, you know, because then
that extends out you teach a child how to hate, right.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But also when you talk about fear, of fear is
one thing choosing fear in other words, when you choose
to go on a roller coaster, you're choosing to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But you have to be conscious though the fact that
that you're making that choice in that in that choice
to choose fear, and part of I think not addressing
that is because you haven't addressed your own fear, and
that made that connection.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I had your point. My point was that if you
choose to go on the roller coaster, fear is fun
and and the fun of being afraid and blaming others
is something like some of our citizens engaging.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And once again, if you're just tuning in, you're listening
to finding out with Pete and the Poet Goals. I'm
Peter Leon and I'm the Poet Goal and we're continuing
our conversation from last week with Brian Doyle, former CEO
of Family Services, Inc. And you may have heard earlier
that Sidney Covell was here, was our assistant from Vassar College.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And we also a poet goal. Is it being very
expressive because I don't feel restrained and we're well. Were
joined by Uncle Mike Hansen, who I'm sure has a perspective.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
He's throw.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, wait, George met the recent political change of the
election here, Donald Trump was re elected. Oh, and you
have a perspective on that you might be easer to share.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I'm not sure what angle you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Your general impression.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Well, the election occurred and and it'll be certified in Congress,
I assume, and he is going to be the president
and doesn't really matter what we think because he is
going to be the president. Got to pray to God
that he is going to do the best he can
for the country. I don't know how to put in
any other perspective. I think this whole process has been
let go for so long now that it's so out
(17:49):
of whack. This campaign was horrible far as offencer. The
issues were really never discussed. It was it was I
hate you, you hate me campaign, and and and I
don't think anybody anybody benefit from it, to be honest
with you. And the implication I noticed the most was
because of the way the presidential election went, the Congress
(18:11):
and the Senate followed, I think anyway, So it completely
changed the fabric in Washington. As of it's already different,
but as of January twentieth, it's going to be a
whole different playing field there.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
He is threatening.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
To use executive orders to be able to fire one
hundreds and hundreds of employees that have been there forever
because he's deemed that they're against them, and.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
That's a dangerous thing. Executive orders.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
I don't like executive orders I think that that's not
supposed to happen. There's supposed to be checks and balances.
You can't have one guy, whether it's Obama or Biden
or Trump in the office just deciding one day, you
know what, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I'm going to write an executive order and you're all
going to about by it. What happened to the Czechs
and balances?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, he wants to run at Mike as a business
as his business right, and in his business there were
no checks and balances.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
And lately you've seen in the past few days the
big uproar over his cabinet that he's choosing. But still
even the cabinet that he's choosing, you know, how did
the other cabinet worked? If they don't agree with him,
he fires them. You know, you all the people I've
(19:31):
been around, wealthy people, especially i've been, they always tell
me they're never the smartest person in the room. They
surround themselves with the smartest people they can and they
listen to them.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
That's the difference. He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
If you don't, you know, tow the line with what
he is proposing as far as his policies, you're fired.
And I can go find somebody else, and there's hundreds
that want to be part of that. So he's got
an endless list. So my perspective, Peter, is we voted,
that's the result. And unfortunately, even though we have the
(20:07):
right to vote, a lot of people don't vote intelligently,
they don't think about their vote, and this is what
we end up with. But the reality is when that
presidency is certified by Congress, he's a president.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
For four years. That's something I really want to emphasize
that nobody is questioning that. You know, in the last election,
nobody will question I think, okay, because Democrats actually believe
in elections, and so the Democrats believe that Donald Trump
won the election and he's going to be treated with
(20:40):
the respects and the power that he earned. And one
of the things I have might say, you want to say,
no thing.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I want to tell you is we did the election
night coverage. I can tell you at a quarter to twelve, Georgia,
South Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin had been going all night
long counting votes, and they stopped at ninety fo and
they stopped for an hour, and they were all at
one and a half two percent difference. She could have
very well. Camela could have very well won that election
(21:09):
had they gone the other way. There was a lot
of votes left in each state, enough to make the difference.
So we went off the air at midnight not knowing
what was going to happen, and by the time I
got home and turned the television out again, Trump was president.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But he was president. One of the quick demographic things
I want to point to is that Donald Trump got
seventy four million votes, Kamala Harris got seventy million. He
won by four million votes, first time he ever won
the popular vote. Joe Biden got eighty four million votes.
(21:45):
So my question is where are the fourteen million Democrats
who voted for Biden who did not vote for Harris.
They set out, Yeah, they sat out, but that's a
huge thing. So Trump maintained his thing almost he was
like half a million were votes in the last time.
But he maintained this thing. And the Democrats sunk, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And some of them set out over over over Gaza.
And I think what they failed to understand is I
get it, you know the political position, truly I do.
But what they failed to understand that bye bye by
sitting out. Now you have really no one to negotiate with.
You know, no one's going to listen to the other
sides of the conversation. You know, at least Vice President
(22:30):
Harris uh was always opening to listening, hearing the voice,
you know, reaching out and saying, well, well, come on
board and let's see how we can you know, do
some things better, at least in that conversation.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
So if if I was a Democrat and part of
the Democratic Party, I would be really upset because it
was handled so badly. The whole mess with pulling Joe
Biden out at the end, and I understand he was
compromised maybe upstairs.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
But not only doing it the way they did it.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I believe, and I swear that I said it when
we did the coverage, that if she had picked Shapiro
from Pennsylvania as her running mate, she would have beat
Donald Trump without in question.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think there's a lot of people who believe that,
and I happened to be that. There's a lot of
merit to that argument.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
So who made that decision?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Did she make that by I don't know how that
was made, but whoever made it that, I think that's
where they lost the election.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Well, she and her she took some advice from people,
and it may well have been the wrong advice. But
you know, if you're in charge, you're paid to take
the right advice.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, you're always going to throw a curveball or a fastball.
And if you throw a fast ball after that and
they if they hit it out of the park. Man,
I should have known a curve ball. But everyone uses
the best judgment they have. And that was a pretty
drastic that was I suspect that's right.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And I really believe if she had taken.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Shapiro, Yeah, that's that's a remarkable observation. You may well
be right, Mike, You may well be right. I just
want to pick up on one thing that Mike said,
and for me, I'll close for me after this. You
said pray to God, and you know that's the euphimism
that we all use. But I think it's very important
(24:17):
now to do that because I think we're in big
trouble and I think we do have to pray to God.
I also think we have to have hope, we have
to inspire one another, help each other get through this,
and also keep our eyes open and be vigilant and
not just check out of the whole process. As discussing
as it may be, we have to hang in there.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And one quick question. Has he appointed Kennedy to anything yet?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Not yet? Not yet?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh okay, all right. On a lighter note, you know,
I wasn't really not for Kennedy, you know, but as
far as when it comes to the food industry, I
can have him go in and shake some things up. Sure, yeah,
you know, I've sort of like kind of looked forward
to that, you know, if you can get in here
and shake them because there's a lot of crap and food,
and I think they're anticipating it because the cough medicine
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people just pulled a whole bunch of stuff. They could
have pulled this some time ago, but now they're pulling
stuff off the market.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Cool. Affected I'm going to actually interrupt you. It's just
something I never do. And I want to say, we're
not going to be Brian Doyle's notion. You said, pray
to God. Let's pray to God. I want to say
amen to that. Brian. Thank you you and Mike both
bringing that perspective.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Once again finding out with Pete and the poel Go.
We thank you for listening today, have a good way.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Thank you, Peter, thank you
Good morning. You'll find out with Pete and the poel
Cold I'm Peter Leonard.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
And I'm the poet Goal.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
She seems surprised by that. And we're on the having
a discussion about the political implications of our recent national elections.
And before we get to our various perspectives, which and
we'll hold Brian Doyle forming a service administrator of family Services.
(00:24):
It's in the clovelle, a Vassar student and poblic goal.
Before we get to all those people, we're going to
go to public goal for her poem.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Short and Sweet. Some of the regular listeners may know
this one, this will be new for the for the
new listeners. It's called one Land. We were always making
up stories about us and them, Them and us lives
appear distant, some divided by fences, not quite within reach, misunderstood.
Are we losing sight? We exist on one land.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And it's importantly it's called America. From a seed to
shining sea. And one of the things that happened in
this last election is young people got a chance to vote,
and first time voters, and the demographics was such that
since twenty sixteen, a lots of older people died and
(01:23):
younger people were coming in, and the expectation was the
younger people would be very much in favor of the Democrats,
which wound up not being true. But we have a
young voter with us today, a young woman, Sinney Covell,
and so you give us a sense of what your
perspective was on the election and the way young people
(01:45):
might have reacted to it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So I was personally really devastated and shocked. I think
I have a lot of media that I look at
that is very democratic, and therefore my perspective on the
outcome of this election was very skewed. I listened to
the podcast The Daily, and they had one really optimistic
(02:07):
episode in favor of Harris, and I took that and
I ran, I sprinted, I went so far in the
direction of she's winning, he's not. I woke up on
Wednesday morning completely devastated, and I went to my first
class and everyone was in shambles. We all voted for
(02:28):
the very first time in a presidential election, and my
professor's first thought of comfort was to tell us that
this was our fault. That you know, it is up
to us to lead our country into the future, and
this time we failed. But next time, we won't. And
(02:48):
you know, I found that both really unsettling and kind
of you know, him just putting all of that blame
on us, because first of all, a lot of my
friends didn't vote, and it really affected me. I struggled
to talk to them. I was talking with their parents,
and their parents were angry at them, you know, like
(03:08):
watching their text with their moms, you know, their mom
screaming at them, like you, how could you do this
to your country? And you know, because the young people
do feel like this country's destiny in the senses, in
our hands, because everyone, all the other generations are telling
us that. And it is this weird kind of power
dynamic of what do we do now, how do we
(03:29):
actually make effective change? And one one statistic that I
did want to bring up that really struck me was
how most of Trump's voters were white women, and historically
white women struggle to vote democratically, that's always been a
common theme. But black women we always vote democratically. And
(03:52):
I looked around in the room at my first class
of the day on Wednesday, and all of the white
women in my class had expressed that their other white
women friends from home were voting for Trump. And this
is places like Massachusetts, like California, places you wouldn't necessarily
(04:13):
expect to have friends from home that are Republican. And
it made me realize, I don't understand where my country's going.
I thought I knew a lot more about politics than
I do, and clearly we have a lot of work
to do.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So you learned something about humility, you learned something about
where you get your information from, and you were encouraged
by your teacher too. You might have been dumped on.
Hey man, we lasted up. You fix it, which is
sort of bullyish. But I also want to parenthetically mention
(04:53):
although most students in faculty ADVASSA are Democrats, there's still
a conservative, a very strong conservative presence.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
At Faster one fifty vote Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, well, but the vehement and their faculty members there.
So it's not like VASTA is uh, you know, without
a conservative perspective, a goal are you're going to say something.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah no to your to your point of a lot
of white women voted for I think something I read
to fifty two percent of white women were expected to
vote for Trump, and that was up there with Latin
men also, you know, fifty four percent of Latin men
voting voting for Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And the Latin men they voted only fifty four percent
or fifty six percent, and it was up fourteen points
from the last time from Biden. And Latino men are explicit,
you know, not every single one, but there's a way
of talking about sexism, which is they're more comfortable than
(06:02):
we are. As familiar middle class person who you know,
were to say, hey, man, women shouldn't be ruling, you know,
whereas the Latin men where ecusemore comes from, are comfortable
with that. You know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I said to an acquaintance of mine who's Latin from Mexico,
and I said, you know, he said, well go, you know,
a lot of us are gonna wind up voting for
Trump no matter you know what you say. And I said,
but let's think about the sweeps. I said, don't you
think that you're going to get swept up when they come?
I said, they're going to be some major errors made.
(06:38):
And he cited someone in New Poults that that was
swept up at the time. And I remember this, Uh,
he worked at a restaurant and how he was caught up, detained,
held and then ultimately released because everyone galvanized around it
and advocated and did what needed to be done to
get him to release. But it was his position was
(06:59):
so nonchalant in our conversation, Uh, my friend and that
he said, well, you know, I mean, you know, we'll
go through that. We'll go through that, but it'll work
out in the end. And I said, it doesn't work
out in the end for everyone. It's not just some
little inconvenience.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
The position was if his paperwork is right, then then
it'll come back. And I said not everybody comes back, No,
most people don't.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And that was his Brian mentioned last week on the
other show one of the promises was we're gonna have
mas deportation right. And math doesn't mean we're going to
consider every individual case on its merits. It means, come on, man,
you uh, we're getting little rid of people who are
(07:45):
or even look like they're from Central America.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And that's the cover.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's the cover. That's that's the cover.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You know, it's it's not not only are we going
to quote unquote get rid of these people, but we'll
sweep up everybody else and between. You know, once again,
if you're listening to finding out with Pete in the
Poet Gold. I'm Peter Len and I'm the Poet Gold.
And we're here with Brian Dole and Sidney Covell, who
was our intern, was in the conversation earlier, but right
(08:13):
now we're going to continue the conversation with former CEO
of Family Services, Inc.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So Brian, let's go back to your general impressions, which
you were so ARTICU a little about last week and
what you might be thinking also on maybe the racial
issue in terms of fifty three percent of white women
voting for Trumpell Latino men changing in such a dramatic
number from the Biden vote.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Again, I spoke of a lot of underlying reasons, and
there were I think certainly strains of racism in there,
but not everybody voted for pardon me sexism, sexism, No, absolutely,
those are all there. And you know, again when we
talk about implicit biases, those are not conscious decisions that
(09:06):
people made, but those were there. But also there were
others too.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I think.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
President Biden's handling of immigration in the border was not
what it should have been. I think immigration reform has
long been an issue that has eluded many presidents and
many Senates and congressmen. But I think what Biden did
(09:36):
and didn't do did not help there, and that was
fuel on the fire in terms of people's sentiments around
around you know, immigration, the issue of inflation. While I
think he and others failed to point out that inflation
was something that engulfed the whole world, you know, post
(09:58):
pandemic because of suppor life chain issues, et cetera, et cetera.
The government did spend significant amount of money on relief
for people, spent a lot of money on infrastructure that
was way overdue that Trump had promised in his first
term to spend on he never did. And yet when
Biden did and contributed i'm sure to inflation that you know,
(10:23):
he got hit with that. So I think there are
many things that transpire during the administrative, the Biden administration
that was very, very problematic to many people, and so
they wanted somebody to shake things up, and you know,
and and but maybe not shake things up too much. No,
(10:45):
he's not really going to do all that stuff. But
I think we see now, yes he is doing it.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Look at his appointments and to think that he okay,
to your point, you know, for anyone thinking that he
wouldn't do all this stuff. This is a person who
what what word do I want to use? Peter sort
of instigated January sixth, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
He planned and encourage and executed it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So so to think that that this person won't, you know,
do mass deportation is I don't know, just I think
a little absurd, you know, to think that he wouldn't
do some of the things that he he says he's
going to do, you know, get rid of the federal government,
you know, get rid of the Department of Education, and
you know, at least try to, you know, get rid
of Affordable Care Act, where there are so many people
(11:35):
on the Affordable Care Act and when they wake up
one day and find out, especially if they cast the
vote that way, that it's gone, well, you know, that's
that's what you voted for.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, it is, you know. And as as far as
January sixth goes, you know, look at what happened immediately
following January sixth, and how much condemnation came toward Trump
for that, and yet little by little people bowed down
to him, kissed the ring, and it was swept away.
(12:04):
And you know, we're not expected to remember that and no,
it wasn't really an insurrection. It was these people are
being held improperly and they're going to be pardon now
because they were patriots and we bought it as a country.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And you know the part where you claim to win
an election that you didn't win and then you act
on it and you get people act in concert with you.
It's just really and anybody in the Republican Party who
is still a member in good standing has to say
they think that Trump won the twenty twenty election or
else they don't get promoted in his thing. That's just
(12:44):
a lie, and that's disgraceful, and he'll do anything in
the January sixth thing proves it. And Brian, you have
points about worldwide inflation. Not only was your worldwide inflation
the United States the inflationary can down quicker and more
profoundly than any other nation in the world. And so
(13:05):
you know, the question, what did Biden do? What policy
did he have that made inflation go up to fourteen
percent in Britain? The answer is nothing. I mean, you know,
you know who knows what makes the inflation go up
or down. But Biden did not cause it, but it
did come down. I don't know what. We might have
(13:26):
just gotten lucky. But blaming inflation is belogning. And the
immigration thing, but Trump, we could have solved that problem
in February, and Trump said, no, it would be better
to run against the problem than solve it. That's blogny, too, Peter.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Fear blinds us to such, you know, flagrant facts, and
the fear that people have had about losing their country
to immigrants, to cultural changes that they just don't understand,
(14:04):
to people being asked to examine our history in light
of what it really has been. And you know Howard
Zinn used to be demonized, and by some he is
still demonized. But he told many truths that this country
was not ready to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And not everybody knows how it's in it. He wrote.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
The real history of the United States, and people, yeah,
thank you. And you know, he bared the many sins
that we have had. And yet people do not want
to think of this country as having committed sins, and
yet we have, and each one of us have committed sins.
And this is not about you know, trying to blame
(14:51):
this person or tell that white person that he's bad,
but rather collectively take a look at who we are,
who we have been, and how we can do better.
And yet there was not uh uh, there was not
an allowance for that. And as a matter of fact,
that was uh, you know, terribly distorted, and and it
(15:14):
was taken advantage of by Donald Trump and the people
who have followed him.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Right, absolutely definitely tapped into individual xenophobia and and and
something that you hit the nail on the head about
which I speak about often and sort of addresses a
little bit in my next book. But the individual fear,
how how it becomes a collective monster, so to speak,
when when you're dealing with the country and not not
(15:40):
not having the willingness to address your own personal fears
and its impact on the community. You know, the community
could be your family even y, you know, because then
that extends out you teach a child how to hate, right.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But also when you talk about fear, of fear is
one thing choosing fear in other words, when you choose
to go on a roller coaster, you're choosing to be afraid.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But you have to be conscious though the fact that
that you're making that choice in that in that choice
to choose fear, and part of I think not addressing
that is because you haven't addressed your own fear, and
that made that connection.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I had your point. My point was that if you
choose to go on the roller coaster, fear is fun
and and the fun of being afraid and blaming others
is something like some of our citizens engaging.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And once again, if you're just tuning in, you're listening
to finding out with Pete and the Poet Goals. I'm
Peter Leon and I'm the Poet Goal and we're continuing
our conversation from last week with Brian Doyle, former CEO
of Family Services, Inc. And you may have heard earlier
that Sidney Covell was here, was our assistant from Vassar College.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And we also a poet goal. Is it being very
expressive because I don't feel restrained and we're well. Were
joined by Uncle Mike Hansen, who I'm sure has a perspective.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
He's throw.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, wait, George met the recent political change of the
election here, Donald Trump was re elected. Oh, and you
have a perspective on that you might be easer to share.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I'm not sure what angle you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Your general impression.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Well, the election occurred and and it'll be certified in Congress,
I assume, and he is going to be the president
and doesn't really matter what we think because he is
going to be the president. Got to pray to God
that he is going to do the best he can
for the country. I don't know how to put in
any other perspective. I think this whole process has been
let go for so long now that it's so out
(17:49):
of whack. This campaign was horrible far as offencer. The
issues were really never discussed. It was it was I
hate you, you hate me campaign, and and and I
don't think anybody anybody benefit from it, to be honest
with you. And the implication I noticed the most was
because of the way the presidential election went, the Congress
(18:11):
and the Senate followed, I think anyway, So it completely
changed the fabric in Washington. As of it's already different,
but as of January twentieth, it's going to be a
whole different playing field there.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
He is threatening.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
To use executive orders to be able to fire one
hundreds and hundreds of employees that have been there forever
because he's deemed that they're against them, and.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
That's a dangerous thing. Executive orders.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
I don't like executive orders I think that that's not
supposed to happen. There's supposed to be checks and balances.
You can't have one guy, whether it's Obama or Biden
or Trump in the office just deciding one day, you
know what, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
I'm going to write an executive order and you're all
going to about by it. What happened to the Czechs
and balances?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, he wants to run at Mike as a business
as his business right, and in his business there were
no checks and balances.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
And lately you've seen in the past few days the
big uproar over his cabinet that he's choosing. But still
even the cabinet that he's choosing, you know, how did
the other cabinet worked? If they don't agree with him,
he fires them. You know, you all the people I've
(19:31):
been around, wealthy people, especially i've been, they always tell
me they're never the smartest person in the room. They
surround themselves with the smartest people they can and they
listen to them.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
That's the difference. He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
If you don't, you know, tow the line with what
he is proposing as far as his policies, you're fired.
And I can go find somebody else, and there's hundreds
that want to be part of that. So he's got
an endless list. So my perspective, Peter, is we voted,
that's the result. And unfortunately, even though we have the
(20:07):
right to vote, a lot of people don't vote intelligently,
they don't think about their vote, and this is what
we end up with. But the reality is when that
presidency is certified by Congress, he's a president.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
For four years. That's something I really want to emphasize
that nobody is questioning that. You know, in the last election,
nobody will question I think, okay, because Democrats actually believe
in elections, and so the Democrats believe that Donald Trump
won the election and he's going to be treated with
(20:40):
the respects and the power that he earned. And one
of the things I have might say, you want to say,
no thing.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I want to tell you is we did the election
night coverage. I can tell you at a quarter to twelve, Georgia,
South Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin had been going all night
long counting votes, and they stopped at ninety fo and
they stopped for an hour, and they were all at
one and a half two percent difference. She could have
very well. Camela could have very well won that election
(21:09):
had they gone the other way. There was a lot
of votes left in each state, enough to make the difference.
So we went off the air at midnight not knowing
what was going to happen, and by the time I
got home and turned the television out again, Trump was president.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But he was president. One of the quick demographic things
I want to point to is that Donald Trump got
seventy four million votes, Kamala Harris got seventy million. He
won by four million votes, first time he ever won
the popular vote. Joe Biden got eighty four million votes.
(21:45):
So my question is where are the fourteen million Democrats
who voted for Biden who did not vote for Harris.
They set out, Yeah, they sat out, but that's a
huge thing. So Trump maintained his thing almost he was
like half a million were votes in the last time.
But he maintained this thing. And the Democrats sunk, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And some of them set out over over over Gaza.
And I think what they failed to understand is I
get it, you know the political position, truly I do.
But what they failed to understand that bye bye by
sitting out. Now you have really no one to negotiate with.
You know, no one's going to listen to the other
sides of the conversation. You know, at least Vice President
(22:30):
Harris uh was always opening to listening, hearing the voice,
you know, reaching out and saying, well, well, come on
board and let's see how we can you know, do
some things better, at least in that conversation.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
So if if I was a Democrat and part of
the Democratic Party, I would be really upset because it
was handled so badly. The whole mess with pulling Joe
Biden out at the end, and I understand he was
compromised maybe upstairs.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
But not only doing it the way they did it.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I believe, and I swear that I said it when
we did the coverage, that if she had picked Shapiro
from Pennsylvania as her running mate, she would have beat
Donald Trump without in question.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I think there's a lot of people who believe that,
and I happened to be that. There's a lot of
merit to that argument.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
So who made that decision?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (23:17):
Did she make that by I don't know how that
was made, but whoever made it that, I think that's
where they lost the election.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Well, she and her she took some advice from people,
and it may well have been the wrong advice. But
you know, if you're in charge, you're paid to take
the right advice.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, you're always going to throw a curveball or a fastball.
And if you throw a fast ball after that and
they if they hit it out of the park. Man,
I should have known a curve ball. But everyone uses
the best judgment they have. And that was a pretty
drastic that was I suspect that's right.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And I really believe if she had taken.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Shapiro, Yeah, that's that's a remarkable observation. You may well
be right, Mike, You may well be right. I just
want to pick up on one thing that Mike said,
and for me, I'll close for me after this. You
said pray to God, and you know that's the euphimism
that we all use. But I think it's very important
(24:17):
now to do that because I think we're in big
trouble and I think we do have to pray to God.
I also think we have to have hope, we have
to inspire one another, help each other get through this,
and also keep our eyes open and be vigilant and
not just check out of the whole process. As discussing
as it may be, we have to hang in there.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And one quick question. Has he appointed Kennedy to anything yet?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Not yet? Not yet?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh okay, all right. On a lighter note, you know,
I wasn't really not for Kennedy, you know, but as
far as when it comes to the food industry, I
can have him go in and shake some things up. Sure, yeah,
you know, I've sort of like kind of looked forward
to that, you know, if you can get in here
and shake them because there's a lot of crap and food,
and I think they're anticipating it because the cough medicine
(25:07):
people just pulled a whole bunch of stuff. They could
have pulled this some time ago, but now they're pulling
stuff off the market.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Cool. Affected I'm going to actually interrupt you. It's just
something I never do. And I want to say, we're
not going to be Brian Doyle's notion. You said, pray
to God. Let's pray to God. I want to say
amen to that. Brian. Thank you you and Mike both
bringing that perspective.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Once again finding out with Pete and the poel Go.
We thank you for listening today, have a good way.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Thank you, Peter, thank you
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