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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, and welcome to what's going on? A show
about making a difference in our lives and our communities.
I'm Lorraine Ballad Morrow. Today we'll hear from Keisha Jordan,
President and CEO of the Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia, about
how families can apply for scholarships that open doors to safe,
high quality K through eight schools, with a priority deadline
coming up November fifteenth. In our special segment, CEOs you
(00:23):
Should Know, iHeartMedia Division President Paul Corvino chats with Yin
Wu Ronnie, CEO Milk PEP, the organization behind the iconic
Got Milk campaign, about how they're reimagining a classic message
for a new generation. But first, we're talking about gun
violence today and the progress Philadelphia has made in reducing it.
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Joining us is Mensa Dean Philadelphia staff writer for The Trace.
He is a Pulitzer Prize finalist and award winning journalist
who has spent years covering the issue of justice, corruption,
and community safety. He's going to talk to us about
The Trace and also about an upcoming event, a conversation
about this issue that's facing us in that America's gun
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violence crisis. Mancie you've been reporting on gun violence in
Philadelphia for so many years, we've seen a historic decline
in shootings. What are some of the factors driving this
drop and what do you think has changed on the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, hello, Lauren, and thank you for having me. Well,
there are many factors involved in the drop in gun
violence in Philadelphia in recent years. As many of your
viewers know, we hit a record high of homicides in
Philadelphia back in twenty twenty one. There were five hundred
and sixty two homicides. Ever since then, the numbers have
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been going down steadily. In recent years, they've been going
down dramatically. City officials, state officials, and national officials have
identified a handful of reasons why.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That is.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Among them, returned to normalstly after the COVID upheaval. Schools
were shut down, after school programs, business is, there were
a lot of idle people. Unfortunately, you know, idle mind
is the devil's workshop, And so as we got back
to normalcy, those gun numbers started to go down. In
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addition to that, the city invested millions upon millions of
dollars in prevention efforts on the police side and the
community side. On the police side Operation Pinpoint, where they
used data to figure out where to send officers reinforcement officers,
and they sent extra officers to the high crimes police districts,
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the twenty second, twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and thirty ninth districts.
They also implemented more community police beats that was started
by Mayor Parker. Some three hundred more officers were sent
out to community business corridors, communities you away from center
city to get more officers just out circulating amongst the people.
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And they also had engaged existing community groups who are
working for decades in these communities in some cases, and
they funded these groups to do more grassroots prevention work
with the young people to stop them from getting involved
in gun violence. One program that specialized in this that
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the city stood up is called Group Violence Intervention. They
got that program going. It's a program that's all over
the country. The model is and so Philadelphia had that
before and then reintroduced it under Americ Henny and it's
been going, you know, continue to buy Mayor Parker. And
what they do is they send a team of people
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to individuals who have been identified as likely to get
themselves in trouble. And before they do that, they visit
them at home, where they meet people in group settings
and they give them alternatives to continuing in crime. That
program has been so successful, according to city officials, that
they started a juvenile group violenced intervention program as well.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It sounds like there are strategies that are beginning to work,
and we're also seeing also a return to somewhat of
normalcy after the COVID pandemic, which certainly had a huge
impact on everybody's well being. Now, The Trace is the
nation's only newsroom dedicated exclusively to reporting on gun violence.
And you have an event called the Safer Together Forum
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on Tuesday, November eighteenth at WHYY Studios. What can attendees
expect and why is this event so timely right now
for Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The Safer Together Forum is the first time The Trace
has done this in Philadelphia. It will be November eighteenth
from to seven thirty pm. It will be held at
the WHYY Studios. It will be a form where there
will be a lot of speeches of workshops featuring policymakers, academics,
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community people who are engaged in by prevention, people on
the front lines, people on the policy side, people on
the grassroots side. Some of the featured people who will
be there a Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania, Austin Davis. Adam Gear,
Philadelphia's first director of Public Safety, will also be there.
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So it's going to be again an all day affair
where people who are interested in learning what's going on
in Philadelphia with regard to public safety, what's working, and
what's coming down the pike, and people who have their
own community programs. People who want to get involved in
the community should certainly check this out. Just trying to
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build on the momentum that's out there. You know, gun
violence is down, and we at the Trace are trying
to always figure out why that is, what's working and
amplify what's working for the public good.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
If people want more information about this event, but also
if they'd like to follow the Trace, which is a
wonderful website that provide it's very in depth information about
the whole issue of gun violence and violence in general,
how do they find out more?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Just go to thetrace dot org. That's the tr Ace
dot org and you just go to the search engine
and type in safer together all the information should pop
up for you on that. If you even go to
Google and just type in the Trace Safer together, looking
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forward to convening people who are interested in keeping Philadelpia safe.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Fantastic appreciate all the work that The Trace does. It
is once again the only newsroom dedicated to exclusively reporting
on gun violence and the solutions to prevent it. We
were joined by Mensa Dean, Philadelphia, staff writer for The Trace,
a Pulitzer Prize finalist, award winning journalist who spent many
years covering issues of justice, corruption and community safety. Mensa,
(06:58):
thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Thank you, Loran.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
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Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper
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Diapers and toys are everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (08:11):
A great education can change everything, but for many Philadelphia families,
financial barriers make that dream harder to reach. The Children's
Scholarship Fund Philadelphia is helping bridge that gap by providing
thousands of scholarships so children can attend safe, quality K
through eight tuition based schools. Joining us right now is
Keishy Jordan, President and CEO of the Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia.
(08:35):
She's going to share how families can apply for scholarships
for the twenty twenty six twenty seven school year and
learn more about upcoming opportunities. So Keisha. For listeners who
may not be familiar, what is the Children's Scholarship Fund
Philadelphia and how does it help families across the city.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Sure. Thank you so much, Lorraine for talking to me
today and giving me a chance to talk about our
scholarships with your listeners. Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia is a
twenty four year old kindergarten through eighth grade private school
scholarship program. We are the largest kindergarten through eighth grade
focused private school scholarship program in Pennsylvania, and we specifically
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focus on families in Philadelphia. So we provide scholarships of
up to thirty three hundred dollars per student for up
to three students in a family, and the family can
then use those scholarships to attend pretty much any private
school in the Philadelphia region that they choose.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
You've expanded the scholarships reach to more than sixty five
hundred students, which is incredible growth. What's driving the success
and why is access to tuition based schools so important?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
So, Lorraine, I have some even updated data for you
because we are just now reassessing how many students we're
serving this year, and we are seeing this year in
eighty seve six percent retention rate, meaning eighty six percent
of students are returning year over year. We've never seen
anything like it, so we are now actually newly you're
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one of the first to hear, serving over sixty eight
hundred students this year. So you know, why is that
growth happening? Why is there that need? We're still trying
to understand that, but what I can say is that
we still have so many families every year applying for scholarships,
more than we can give out, and so, you know,
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I think there's still a need. Families tell us that
what they want is quality, equality, academic program, they want safety. Interestingly,
we see families looking for religion or religious values in
a school that they're choosing, and so we've made sure
that we do everything we can as CSFP to make
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the scholarships possible for family. So since twenty twenty two
when we launched the Breaking Barriers campaign, we've now guaranteed
every scholarship through eighth grade, So no matter what year
a student enters, they're going to receive that scholarship through
eighth grade without having to reapply. So that gives families
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the confidence that once they're in our program, they can
stay at their partner's school. And that's so important because
all the achievement data says the longer the student is
in their partner school, the more likely they are to
be proficient in math and reading and graduate high school
on time and get into the high school of their
choice and go to college or whatever their famili's dreams
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are for them. So that's been an important piece of
our growth, I believe, is sticking by families through eighth grade,
providing the help with how to select your child's school,
other resources, giving camp scholarships to our families, having a
parent leadership program. I think what we're seeing is that
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families are looking for exactly this type of help and
so an organization that's going to be there for them,
and we just are really grateful to be able to
be that resource for our families.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
And I think the other secret sauce for the children's
scholarship in Philadelphia is that it's not simply that you're
giving money to these families, but you're really engaging the
parents and the community the village around that child. And
I think that one of the markers for success is
parental involvement.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Right, Yes, for sure, the more a parent is involved
with their child's school, the more likely their child is
to be successful. And we just recently conducted a study
and learned that the families who receive CSFP scholarships tend
to be more resource meaning finding the resources. They are
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families who are out there looking for things. They spend
more hours than the national average searching for a school
for their child. So you're absolutely right. A family that
engaged doing their homework, partnering with an organization like ours
is getting the opportunity to see success for their child
through scholarships.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
There is an important priority deadline on November fifteenth. Why
is that date so crucial for families hoping to receive
a scholarship?
Speaker 5 (13:18):
So that is our priority deadline. So we will pull
a lottery in December and then again in March, and
so in order to receive a scholarship in December, which
is the most in demand time, it's important that we
have as many families as want to be in the
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lottery registered by November fifteenth. So you know, there's still
a chance to receive a scholarship after November fifteenth, but
the best chance is to apply before then.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And what that.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Does, Lorraine, is to help families to start the application
process because applications for private schools do start now for
the next school year. It also gives families the best
chance of applying for financial aid and other scholarships. So
it really is the starting early gives families the ability
to jump start the process and know that they're going
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into this journey with CSFP by their side and a
scholarship that they can utilize to be able to make
the private school possible.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And I think it should be pointed out that your
application process is pretty simple when you think about applications
in general. You know a lot of times there are
several pages and you have to fill out a million blanks.
But the cf Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia application is pretty
user friendly.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Thank you. I think so too. It's really just contact information.
It's free. It just takes a few minutes, and so
you know, it is in a family's best interest if
they even think that they might want to consider private
school for next year, especially if they have a younger
child entering kindergarten in our first grade for the first time.
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It is it only takes a few minutes to do
the application.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Fantastic. So, finally, how can the community support CSFs? I
keep stumbling over that, how finally, how can the community
support the Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia's mission and where can
families find out more information or connect with you online?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, so for families, the very best way to connect
with us is through our website CSF Philadelphia dot org.
You can click on scholarships. There's a button to apply. Also,
there's a lot of great information there. There is, there
are resources, there are other scholarship programs, there's a list
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of schools. There is a tool that families can use
to search for a school using whatever criteria they want.
So that's really the best resource. We also have live
chat that is there on the website for any questions
and for the general community. You know, there's lots of
ways to get involved.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
We are an.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Organization that raises millions of dollars every year and gives
it back out as scholarships, so you know, donations are
very much needed, and on our website of course is
a donation button or there's contact information. We're also, you know,
often looking for volunteers. We have a great event in
which volunteers get to call the families who win the
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lottery and give them that great news that they're going
to receive a scholarship. Through eighth grade, which is a
very joyful occasion I've had, and we have other events
and lots of ways that we invite the community to
get involved. And you know, lastly, I would say to
spread the word please. You know, exposure for us is
really important, both for the general community as well as
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for parents, So please share and our website is the
best resource to do that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Fantastic And I know those phone calls must be so
much fun for the volunteers because of the shouts of joy.
It must be amazing, must be yes, really.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Funny you were invited, Lorraine. It would be lovely to
have you on a team. Companies use it as a
team building events. They bring a team and we serve
dinner and they get together. So oh would love to
see you there.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
What a great idea. I may take you up on that.
I thank you so much. The Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia
is bridging that gap, providing thousands of scholarships so children
can attend safe, quality K through eight tuition based schools.
Keisha Jordan, President and CEO of the Children's Scholarship Fund Philadelphia,
thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Thanks for having me, Lorrain.
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Speaker 3 (18:06):
This is CEOs you Should Know. It is Paul Corvino,
Division President of iHeartMedia with another episode of CEOs you
Should Know. Today, I'm joined by Yin Wound Ronnie, the
CEO of Milk PEP, the organization behind milk processing and
education initiatives and famously known for the iconic got Milk campaign.
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Welcome Yin, Thanks so much for having me before we
get started, and we learned about your journey and how
you eventually became the CEO of this renowned organization. What
I'd like to do is a quick Q and a
rapid fire question which gets the mouth moving the brain work.
Are you ready to go have some fun?
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, Skier Beach vacation beach from Singapore. Beatles are stones,
Oh Beatles.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
But that's a hard one.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Tom Brady and Michael Jordan, Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I don't do sports. Oh kind of neither, sadly.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
How about Sean Connery or Daniel Craig.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Oh my, these are hard ones.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Give you a Craig to go in your milk, cookies
or donuts.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
It's both an option for cookies.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I guess if I had to pick that is that
is a tough choice.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
That is a tough choice of anything is fine in
my book.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. So what drew
you to the company. What was it about Milk PEP
that said, yeah, that's an organization I'd like to work for.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
I mean, first and foremost. In the recruiting process, I
was lucky to meet several board members, many of whom
I still work with today. And I did not know
a lot about agriculture or dairy. But these were like
good human beings, like who believed in a wholesome product
that was nutritious, affordable, accessible, and so I was just
really drawn to the culture of the people that I met.
Was part one, Part two. Frankly, the challenge seems kind
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of impossible. You know, milk had been in some slight
decline and then a steep of the client for decades,
and it just seemed like, how do you help make
a difference doing that? And as my husband would say,
I impossible challenges. I love to run into the fire.
Because I kept saying to him, I can't take this
job because it's impossible. He said, well, that's why you
should take the job, because you love heart thorning problems.
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You know got milk obviously, as you said in the beginning,
is one of the most iconic campaigns in the world
in the US, and so as an advertising door student,
you know, advocate to be able to be part of
that legacy and heritage obviously was also interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
What is the function? What is the goal of milk PEP?
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean PEP stands for process or education program.
But really our charter is very singular. It's meant to
increase the per capital consumption of dairy milk fluid milk
basically only that, not all the other forms of dairy.
Because it had been experiencing a long decline, the industry
got together and worked in Congress to create basically a
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congressional charter. Whether they're assessed or taxed on the milk
that is processed creating basically a war chest for US
to spend on advertising and promotion to encourage America to
drink more milk.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
And how are you measured your success?
Speaker 7 (21:04):
You know, basically on how much milk is processed, and
that's how a budget is created. For every hundred weight
of gallon twenty CENTSUS assess creating a war chats of
about eighty million dollars, and success US is having Americans
drink more milk.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
And I think I so recently that milk is making
a comeback. It is, and I guess you've got a
lot to do with that.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
Yes, I mean, milpep definitely played a role. I think
we are very focused on sentiment and attitude and upper
funnel things, but frankly, the whole industry contributed to it.
Twenty twenty four was the first time that milk has
grown in fifteen years. But a lot of things went right.
But I think we are very pleased with the changing
sort of popular narrative about milk because when I walked
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in the door. You might remember five years ago, all
the headlines in major pubs were pretty negative. You know,
Jerry was taking a lot of heat. Environmental issues, oats, oat,
and almond and all the alternative milks were kind of
grabbing the headlines. I'm proud to report that this this cycle,
the last couple of years, we've seen a much more balanced.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Upon what turns it around.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
I mean, I think probably Milt Pep's investment and cultural
relevance helped. I think it's a little bit of trends.
As you know, cycles common cycles go. Frankly, the rise
of whole milk has been very helpful. You know, fat
went from being an enemy to a positive, so trends.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
There was a lot of misinformation about milk, yes.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I mean there still is.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I mean there are definitely are parts of the population
that reject milk for reasons that always not always is
based in science. I think the industry has done a
better job of organizing itself to get some of the
more scientific truths out there. But honestly, this sounds like
a cop out from an advertising.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Person, but some of it is just the vibe. Like milk.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Pep really tried to invest in that balance between fact
and perception and to bring interesting celebrities back to bear
to do interesting great, interesting platforms and properties that just
made milk seem more contemporary. More relevant, more part of
today's cultural narrative.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So how do you reach the market? Yeah, I know
you have a lot of events that you have. You've
got these marathons or running events. Tell us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Yeah, we have a pretty i would say, robust of
omni channel plan, you know, a very big investment and
always on digital online video CTV, all the normal pieces.
But we also sponsor or have built from the ground
up two major events. We made a commitment to support
female in sports. Milk has been in sports for ten
thousand years. Honestly, MILKPEP has been supporting athletes for the
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thirty years of existence. We made a bigger bet on
females given out business needs. As you can imagine, women
are still the primary shopper, the primary influencer on children.
So we started off actually by hacking the New York
City Marathon. We went on an official sponsor another sports
drink was but we supported all the female runners of
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the twenty twenty two New York City Marathon, created a
great event for them, expos and almost twenty five percent
of those women's signed up, And we were really touched
by the sort of the outprog on support then the
following year we did the same thing at three national races,
twelve local races, and we realized, to my surprise, there
was no full like marathon in the country for just women.
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Lots of five ks, ten ks, half marathons, and so
we sort of opportunity to build a race by women
for women from the ground up. So we launched every
Women's Marathon as it's called in twenty twenty four in Savannah.
We were reprising it in Scottsdale just a few weeks
in November, and it was a huge undertaking. It was
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a year round effort where we were really creating a
community of runners explaining how milk can feel a performance journey,
and the first event was a huge success, so excited
to replicate it this year. Our second major platform is
in e sports, similarly a lot of inequity and competitive gaming,
so we created from the ground up the largest Fortnite
tournament only four female players. Again October of last year,
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focused on women on women, and so the next event
actually is happening as we speak, is kicking off today.
The tournament will be tomorrow as part of TwitchCon. So
we have had many qualifiers and we have one hundred
young women competitive gamers coming to our tournament and trying
to address some of the inequity they face. In fact,
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the top paid female competitive player in America makes as
much money as a five hundredth male player, So the
inequity in esports is probably even worse than in regular sports.
So we're trying to do our part and again positioning
ourselves as the performance strength for gamers with key benefits
like focus, hydration, and recovery, because our position is the
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esports are also sports.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
What would you that's interesting just what you just said
about what's focus, hydration and recovery is what are the
major that what's the major value proposition of milk today?
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Oh my, it's a great question.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
One of the blessings of male If you go to
our website Gonna Need Milk dot com. It has so
many natural benefits. So it's thirteen essential nutrients that create
literally a plathora of like a dozen or so benefit errors.
Having worked in CpG food for a long time, it's
unusual to be able to claim the number of things
we can. Obviously, the protein is a big part of
it right now. So protein creates muscles, it helps kids
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grow to the right height. The balance between the protein,
fat and sugar helps endurance athletes and runners recover after races.
It hydrates better than water, It helps build strong bones.
I mean, it is really like swimming in a benefit
in a sea of wonderful benefit. So, based on the
audience and the platform, we tend to highlight a bunch.
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We have some new research that shows that milk also
contains nutrients that can help with brain health, can help
with depression and anxiety, can help with focus. So it
is almost and I don't say this lightly because I've
been in marketing a long time.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
It's a wonderfood.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
It's like a superfood. It's like the original superfood. It
is all natural, it is not fortified for the most part,
and it's just it is a lot of bang for
the buck. And especially in this environment where I think
affordability is top of mind, it's a huge blessing to
have a product that has this many benefits that you
can surface and frankly, we have the opposite problem of
trying to figureut where to focus our dollars.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Let me ask you if you could talk to your
twenty one year old self, graduating just coming out of
Yale what advice would you give that twenty one year
old on how to eventually wind up in a position
like you're in today.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
I think it's a great question. I mean, my journey
has been a lot about maybe learning to be more confident,
on betting on myself. And I think I was raised
in Asia. You know, I'm a third child.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
I think I spent a.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Long time trying to meet the needs of others and
it's great to be a service oriented I hope I
always will be. On my journey, I've learned to have
more confidence than myself and to bet on my own abilities,
my own intuition, my own decision making.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well, thank you so much. Really enjoyed this conversation. Once again,
we're talking with Yin Wound Ronnie, the CEO of Milk PEP. Again.
That's the organization behind milk processing and Education Initiatives. Again,
they were famously known for the Got Milk campaign. Thank
you so much for joining us. This is Paul Corvino,
Division president of iHeartMedia saying thanks for listening to another
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episode of CEOs you Should Know.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
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Speaker 7 (29:01):
Sam a running
Speaker 6 (29:05):
At some I never running