Swing It & Ding It: Episode 147

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Episode Transcript

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and ding it. Yeah, youknow, just uh guess it's gonna go
out there and trying to swing itand dang it. All right, Hello
and welcome to Swing It and DingIt and iHeartMedia podcast. This is Moose
along with Mays and Matthews. WhereMatthews and Mays as Harriet has just said,
and we are joined by former Europeantour player, Latin tour player Corn

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Ferry tour player, now PGA Tourplayer Tanoa. Welcome to it. Pretty
good at for there, Yeah,thank you, Thank you. A lot
of a lot of sleepless hours lastnight trying to fort but you got it
right, and you got it.Obviously, we want to get into many
different things, but I think wereally should start with the feeling of getting

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your PGA tour card right. Imentioned briefly your history and where you played,
but can you describe to us meremortals, what that felt like the
second you got that card and justrealizing the years of hard work that went
into getting to that point. Yeah, it's um. I never I never

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evolved. It was always my dreamto be in the PA Tour. So
in the way there, I playedmany places. I played obviously, as
you said, in Europe Challenge TourEuropean Tour back in the day now it
is DP, played in well Asiathrough you know Europe, but also played
SO Tour. I played in SouthAmerica and then I played Conferry. I

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played many places, many many tours. But yeah, I finally got it.
And funny enough, I thought itwas going to be very emotional.
I'm a very emotional person when Iwhen I you know, achieved it my
work goals, and then I thinkabout all the hard work, as you
said, and all the people involvedbehind it, because I'm a very familiar
person and they've been with me,um, you know, always supporting me,

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and I have a very solid groupof people around me that you know,
it's more than family, and andyou know it's not only you know,
all the word that I've did,but all the word that they dine
and all the sacrifices they go throughto to help me achieve. And it's
also that you know, they helpedme achieve my dream, you know.
But um, and that was great. I mean I lived it very in

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a positive way. I was verycalm. Um. When I hit the
last part, I remember being likethree footer and I didn't even think I
was going to meet it, youknow, I just stood there and uh
and I just took you know,didn't even take much time. I was
like, you know, I'm preparedfor this and to be part and made
it and and it was it wasgreat. I mean for a second,

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I was very aphoric, but allof a sudden, I'm like them,
you know, I made it andI'm gonna I'm gonna enjoy every million of
it. So that that that celebrationthere, that UM Cards celebration we did
there in the on the on theeighteenth s Green of Victoria and and everything
after that was was amazing, welloverwhelming because we didn't have much time between

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you know, getting in my case, getting my card and playing the next
first event, you know, inNAPA, I had like five minutes off
and then I had to fly dothe PGA tour. I don't know,
it's like a weekend where they tellyou all about the tour and you know,
it goes through like I don't knowhow it is, like a workshop
or something, but it's uh yeah. Other than that, it was it

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was awesome, you know, butyeah, I didn't have much time to
to sink in before I was standingin the first day and nap and and
and plane. So yeah, weknow another guy that had a similar situation.
Yeah, I think Dandy was likeDandy was going through that like pretty
might as same as as as Brannanright all the way there. Remember her

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being a little of tournaments and andand going through that. So I think
she knows very well what we're talkingabout. Just a little idea absolutely,
But Tano, like you were justsaying, I've met you. We were
talking about it last week, umLatin. I don't know how many years
ago. Moos just asked you kindof about your journey um and getting your

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card um, talk a little bitabout your approach. You kind of said
that you're just trying to have funwhile you're out there, talk about the
tour, talk about how it isas a rookie, and kind of just
let the audience know what it's beenlike a rookie season compared to maybe the
other tours or or just you knowbeing there as a rookie, right yeah,
Yeah, for me, it's differentthis time because when I was a
rookie in Europe, I was nineteentwenty years old, so I was living

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a totally different part of my lifeand I was much more in my tour.
Although you know, I got therevery well prepared that I took two
years where I didn't go to college, but I took two years where I
all I do. Was I preparedto be like a professional golfer. I
had a trainer, I was Iwas working with a mental coach. I

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was putting a lot of hours.I was representing my country, playing tournaments
abroad. The last summer I playedin I played the summer of in America,
I played New sumitur probably links,I played a lot of tournaments,
so I felt like I was reallyprepared for it. When I got my
tour card in Europe, I waslike, you know, I did well
right away, you know, Itook it. I took it really but

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results right away, and I thinkthat was great. But at the same
time, I didn't feel like arookie right away, you know, I
felt like, you know, Iwas belonging and I was playing Europe and
I was it. But but then, you know, through the years after
that, it was tough for mebecause I was there, I moved to
Europe, I was alone. Iwas twenty two years old, twenty one

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years old. Um, and Ithink it just for one for once.
I learned a lot through that periodthat the person who would like to,
you know, do things when Idon't feel comfortable and you know, make
changes in my life, and Idon't. I don't wait too much because
for me, it's like life istoo short to to be waiting. And
so I made decisions and in thosedecisions, maybe you know, go out

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of the path. And I thinkwhen I came back to Argentina to you
know, I got out of Europeand and I got in a different path
just to get to know myself better. It was for me, golf and
life was pretty much the same thing, you know, And I think that's
that's a problem when you start likedefining yourself by your results in the golf

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course or you know, how otherpeople see you or how you know you
play it's like, well, you'recompletely you're completely in the wrong path,
you know, because actually, nogolf it's a very difficult sport um our
career. It's although it's also whenyou were doing well and you know,
all the things that you can achieveby playing the golf is the sacrifice and

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all the you know, the everythingthat is behind it is actually not very
pretty and it's very very hard,you know, especially for the human mind,
because you know, once one dayyou can perform so well and the
next day it's like maybe the worstday of of of of your life in
the golf course and you're like,why what happened? You know, I
just played my best golf uest todayand today I feel like it sacked.

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You know, I can't play thesports so um so in that way,
you know, it's I feel likewhen I went back to t Argentina,
I started working on that, youknow, getting to know myself better and
trying to be more myself out herewhen I play. Not only when I
play, but how I take itwhen I'm not playing well, or how
I'm enjoying being on tour, youknow. And and for me this year

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was great. It was a lotof I think I grew a lot in
my game. Um, I thinkI just realize how obviously this guy's well
word prepare. But it's not aboutmore about my swing or my golf.
It's more about learning to play thegolf course is in a different way,

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you know, about the tactics,about my strategy, using my my strongest
part of my game, and andyou know, and maybe don't, um,
don't stress too much. I usedto do a lot when I was
in the tournaments. Now I doless. I prepare, you know,
I prepare better when I'm the weeksoff, but when in the tournaments,

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I just focus on do my prepbut not to worry about my swing or
how I'm hitting it, because Iknow that I you know, if I
if I don't think too much aboutmy my you know, my my swing
and stuff like that, I juststart to flow and and and start playing
better. You know. It's justmore about for me what I want to
do, you know, every singleday, have a game plan. And

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yes, so far, I meanthis year was it was all about that,
you know, just my game wasstronger in terms of like now that
I know how to play with mystrength and now I know myself better playing
and and this course is some ofthem. You know, you need to
really really be aware of, yeknow, the tactics, you know,

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how to play. The golf coursein Conferry was a little bit more about,
you know, try to keep itas far as you can and then
you know you're you can be moreaggressive from the even from the raff or
if you meet in the wrong places. But the Pigit Tour is much more
unforgiving in that part, and thatwas a great for me. Also,
hit it on the head when yousaid you play great golf one tournament and

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the next, it's like, whatthe heck? That kind of resonates with
our audience, but maybe so justwhole by whole, But sorry about that.
Go ahead here, well, yeah, Tona, tell us about golf
in your home country and know howpopular is it and how did you get
introduced to the game. So yeah, so I got in rous my my
dad back in the day. Obviouslyhe didn't turn pro. It wasn't very

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like turning proye wasn't the thing,you know, it wasn't. It was
more like an amateur event. Andthen and then pros were you know guys
that in Argentina was more of thepeople that were you know, caddies and
and guys that didn't have much ofthe chance to play golf if it wasn't
for you know, trying to makesome backs playing golf. So, um,

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my dad played a lot. Hewas he was always a really good
golfer. I think he got twoplus one. So and I share that
love for the game with him.And I grew up next to the golf
course, so for me it waseasy to just cross the cross the defense
and then just go out there andplay. Um. And then as I
think it became a really really thepopular sport more so than ever when Cabrera

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start winning the majors, you know, when he won the Masters and the
US Open. I think that's whenit was a big boom in golf as
well. You know, I thinkit's for us. Having two majors in
a couple of years was unbelievable forArgentina. Um, it's obviously when the
visions, so that was you know, a long time ago, and I

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think the the you know, thechannels to be able to leave that and
to go through that wasn't wasn't there, you know, I was back in
a long time ago. So thenews didn't travel very very fast, and
and although yeah, Argentina had likea open you know winner, I don't
think it was much of a factorto to influence the golf in in our

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country. But now with Cabrera andyou know, you know, a million
a Rigio and all, you know, the guys that I've been doing really
well, DeMeo, you know,they've been doing really very well. And
then it's been it's been seen allover the world and for us, I
think he grew a lot. They'rebuilding a lot of golf courses now in
Argentina. But you can compare golf, you know, with as you called

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you college soccer, because for forUS football, I think we call it
it's by far the most amazing andpopular sports. So you're never gonna,
you know, be able to competewith go with golf and soccer. But
but it's going, it's growing,and it's tough because of the economy in
the country, so sometimes it's thatmakes it tough for people to play golf.

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But other than that, I thinkit's a lot of people that love
watching and follow golf, so it'sgreat, tremendous, tremendous. Now you're
living in the Florida area. Willyou be heading down to Miami to see
MESSI play for Inter Miami. Yeah, I think, I think so eventually
he'll do it. It's great tosee Messy, I mean, and as

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you can see the first too muchis like it is now he's he's just
like a kid in the canister,you know. It's like having fun,
you know, laughing and having agreat time with the guys. And I
think this is gonna and I thinkit's attactive, but it's gonna help the
MLS in big time. Now.A lot of guys are coming also from
from Barcelona, I think in Yesterday'scoming and some other guy. So it's

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gonna become a really really big team, I think, intern and eventually it's
gonna make the other teams become better. So I think it's a tactic building
up to the World Cup in infour years time, I think. And
it's gonna be awesome to watch andbeing able to be in the country that
they're playing the World Cup. Ithink it's going to be my first World
Cup to watch life, So it'sgonna be great. So, Tana,

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last week we were in Lake Tahoeand just before you John Donna is telling
the guys that the entire week,both fuck all your Caddy and myself kept
saying we wanted to see a bear. One of the two of us ended
up seeing a bear. Tell usa little bit about that story. That
was crazy. I remember being thereon the phone and he's telling me about

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this this bear in his house,and I'm like a tripping to something that
I thought he was joking, rightfor some reason. Yeah, he was
in housed alone in the in thelike in the lower part of the house
and there was a bear in thein the kitchen. I don't know how
he got in, but he didn'teven know he was alone in the house,
and the guys all the sudden startlike messaging him saying like, look

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at this bearing house. Um,no, panny, we're trying to see
how, you know. And forluckily he had a he had a door
I think it's the garage door,and he could exit. But and then
he had to call the rangers.And there were like two hours were you
know, the panting and the youknow, the bear was there breaking everything

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trying to find food. Um.Yeah, I think it's people love,
you know what, watching the wildlifeand everything. But I think it's really
scary because these guys, the guydon't think about people like you know,
friendly. They just want to killyou, you know. And yeah,
that was like, I'm very respectfulof that. So I would love to
see a bear from far away.But when the guys saying like they have

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it bearing inside the house, I'mlike, wow, I mean, and
it broke everything, scratched all theall the rich door and like everything.
He was looking for food and youcan find anything. So do say.
You know, in America, ifa bear goes in your house, as
a man, you're obligated to wrestlethat bear. Yeah, sorry, I

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should have you got your tour cardin your materials. I should have been
in there. I apologize they missedthat at Rookie Camp. I didn't prepare
for that. But I mean,I'm more I'm used to, you know,
the gators with gators I can findnow, I prepare myself the three
years leaving in Florida, I'm thinkingI'm ready with that. Not so much
not so much backyard. Oh yeah, we were on iote watch during the

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during our last podcast, but youknow, yeah, talking about some of
those things right here. Um,what what are a thing or two.
Maybe maybe let's start with food andthen just something else that you love about
living in America, and then alsoyou miss like crazy from home in Argentina.
Right, um, yeah, Sofor me, what I love about

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here is going to you know,fresh markets and plassen like that, where
I can find really good quality food. I think in Argentina it's getting better,
but still when you go to thegrosser stores, you don't find as
much as you find here in theStates, which for me is great.
I love cooking, so I tryand go out as less impossible, unless

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it's something that I never cook,which is sushi usually, or you know,
or a nice steake of you know, a nice really thick steak.
I like going to really good placewhere you can have one, because that's
the thing I meets a lot inmy In my home country, we need
a lot of barbecues. You know, we grill, and although here I
grill, it's different, you know, it's the whole. For me,

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it's when I go home, it'sthe whole, like tradition where on Sundays
it's our day where we have theyou know, the barbecue day, and
in at noon so we cap andwith my father at around eleven o'clock to
o'clock, we put some music on, we put the fire, we build
a fire with we would usually becausetakes better and it takes the process takes
around two hours when you know,you put the the wood on and the

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would start making the you know thehow they call it the charcoal. It's
not charcoal, but it's you know, you put underneath. And then the
media started doing it very slowly.There's different cards. It takes less than
others. But um, we putyou know, put potatoes in the in
the oven and with the salads andand we have the whole family gets together
and it's like a you know,by the end, we finished at la

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round three thirty eating, you know, so it's been like a three hour
process where you know, from fromwhen we start the fire until we finished
eating and we have desserts and everything. So now I'm high. Yeah,
yeah, it sounds like fun forall of us. Last week a little
bit, yes, it was alittle bit um And for me it's all

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about that, you know, it'sfor me sharing that because in Argentina,
because we are very like um Latinpeople like Italians and Spanish descendants, so
we're very like family oriented, likevery big, big about people and our
dinner stick forever and we stay afteryou know, dinner and or lunch and
we we took for hours. Andthat's the way we do it in around.

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And that's why I like to do, you know, I like to
good for a lot of people liketo enjoy, you know, the experience
of the meal and talking and havingfun. That's for me, it's very
That's what I miss about Argentina andtried to do it when I'm on tour.
You know, it sounds like Moose'splace on a Sunday. I was
gonna Taitana. We'll have to bringup the Philly and you can teach Moose

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how to cook the Argentinian way.We had we needed some Argentinan cuts,
but we can find that in thebutcher, no problem. Yeah, yeah,
we could take care of that.Well. We don't want to keep
you too long. We know you'repreparing. Um. I would just like
to hear from you as you're preparingfor the tournament. What can you tell
us about I know you probably havegotten out, you've played around maybe a
pro am. What do you seethis week for TPC twin Cities? I

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think it's gonna be. I thinkit's gonna be a low scoring week.
I think it usually it is inbetween fifteen and nineteen hundred twenty under.
Yeah, I think it's been rainingtoday, so I think because I was
thinking if it doesn't rain and it'shot as well, and it's and it's
it might get you know, trickywith the firm greens. But if it's

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you know, today rain, Ithink stormy out there as the closest practice
facilities. So um, I thinkit's if it's not very firm, I
think it's going to play obviously alittle easier because it's going to be to
stop the ball in the greens,which I think the greens are very tricky
part of the course. Um,where it's very they're very slope and they're

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running you know, away from yousometimes and and the rough around the greens
is pretty thick. So um,I think that's that's going to be the
defensive the golf course. But titterGreen is the great golf course. Also,
I was watching on TV a coupleof times. This is my first
time playing here, um, andit's and it's fine. I mean,
you have a little bit of everything. I think they have a one hole
that put up on a couple ofdays where you can hear into the green.

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There's a couple of like ritual Partfive, a couple of long ones.
But I think the secret is goingto be Yeah, the accurrency is
going to be important, but alsojust being the right part of the greens,
because greens are tricky and can bevery slopey and if they're gonna be
fat, So definitely in the lookup for you know, being the right

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part of the green and I havingyou know, most most of the uphill
paths that you can get. Youknow, that's right. Well, listen,
we wish you the best of luckthis week and for the rest of
the season here and the rest ofyour career. We appreciate some time and
hopefully we'll get to speak to youagain after you hold up a trophy in
one of these tournaments and get yourfirst win on the PGA Tour. But
awesome having you on and continued success. Thank you so much, guys.

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It's pleasure for me to be ableto enjoy a little bit of time with
you. And yeah, let's doit in the future. Do it.
Let's take a quick break and we'llbe right back all right, welcome back
to Swing It and thing it awesometalking to Tana PGA tour rookie. Um,
he just love hearing about the waythat you know, and we have

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obviously a very unique look with Danielleon the podcast, but just hearing about
you know, people think that it'sjust overnight and these guys have success,
but the grind that goes into thisand the mental side of the game.
And he touched on a little bitlike that's the area he focuses on.
And you can tell he's got apretty good head on his shoulder, so
you could see him having a longcareer out there on tour. And he's

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an older, older guy out thereon tour compared a lot of the younger
guys. So like he said,like when he first got on the European
Tour, a little younger lifestyle isa little different, maybe you know,
partying a little bit more or goingout and now it's like okay, now
he kind of you know, thematuration process helps a lot, not even
with like the course management, butjust like you were just saying this,
the mental aspect of it, anduh, you know, talking to him

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last week, he's he's worked reallyhard on that and you can just see
him being freer in his game.It's pretty cool to watch. Yan made
the cut last week, and Itook something from his mindset. He's just
basically don't overthink it. When hethinks too much about the you know,
his swing and things like that,that's when he doesn't plays as well.
So yeah, you know, yougotta stop thinking. Just go out.

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There's a there's a great story.I forgot to get into it with him,
but there was a tournament where hewas waiting to get in if somebody
was out, and he was literallyit was like he thought he was out,
but he was just on the puttinggreen. It was like two minutes
before the tournament. He got tocall, hey, you're on the tee
in two minutes and he had basicallyhad a tea off in his trainers,
not even his golf shoes, andhad to change his shoes mid round.
So talk about just like not worryingabout things and getting going that talk about

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coming in hot. Yeah, andthat happens more than you guys think.
I mean, it's silly, buteven for the proem. He was first
alternate last week, so he wasstanding around waiting like Okay, this is
going like, am I going toget to play eighteen today? Or am
I going to be trying to figureout how to practice today? Like this
happens all the time, and especiallyfor guys who are trying to Monday in
or are Because Tana Brandon finished earlierlike or higher in the top twenty five,

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Tono didn't lock up his card untillater, so that's why he was
saying he had literally like a weekto get out to NAPA and to prepare.
So a bunch of those guys,fortunately Knas played well, but some
of the other guys who finished inthe bottom that twenty five week after week,
they're waiting and hoping to you know, I think like wait for guys
like you know that are in thetop ten to hopefully not commit that next

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week to open up another spot.It's it's watching that wait list hourly refresh
refrish Man unbelievable. So, guys, the champion golfer of the year,
just as we all picked, ofcourse, was one seventy five to one
Brian Harmon. I mean, whatan interesting Open championship. And I know

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people have different thoughts on it,but and you know, there's a lot
being said about you know, himbeing rooted against but like you're over there,
you're American. You know, it'sthe Open Championship, and I think
of most people were probably rooting againsthim just because they wanted to see a
better tournament and more guys in contention. But he was not going to let
that happen. Harry. He wason fire. He talked about his putting
status, about fifty eight for fiftynine inside ten to ten feet. He's

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thirty six years old. His lastwin was in twenty seventeen. He goes
thirteen under for a six stroke winwith some big guys behind him chasing him.
Yeah, no doubt about it.I mean, Brian Harmon was not
concerned, nor should he have been, with our drama. I mean,
I mean seriously, I mean,but he bogie two of the first five
holes and you're thinking, oh,maybe this might mean might be teetering here

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he put it. He put histee shot into the gorse bush on the
left side of the par five fifthhole, and you're thinking, oh,
oh, he takes it unplayable,manages to scrape out of bogey and then
steps to the tee on the paththree sixth hole and pipes one to thirteen
feet eight inches. That was thetournament. That's where you're like, all

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right, I'm plus two early onthe weather's bad. You know, guys
are ahead of me. Barrory's makingbirdies. Barrory birdie three of his first
five holes, I think five,five or six. Everybody got excited and
you're like, somebody's gonna make arun at me. And he steps up
to that tea one hundred and ninetyfive yards shot and puts it inside fourteen
feet. Cameron Young put it toseven feet in his groups. So both

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of those guys bogey fit the fifthand came back and birdied the sixth,
and then he birdied seven and thatwas all she wrote. I mean,
and it just didn't look back.It's interesting to because people on Twitter were
saying, a left he's gonna havetrouble in this win today. I even
said, a guy that stands overthere and waggles his club for twenty five
minutes in driving rain is could bean issue. Nothing was an issue for

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this guy. It didn't bother him. Seven gloves hanging on his umbrella and
he just went out there with hislaptop, putter head cover and just smoked
everybody. So I've always referred toit looks like a skillet on the end
of a fishing pole, that putterman. But I'll tell you you said
fifty eight out of fifty nine,think about that ten feet and in he
missed one in fifty nine on thosegreens. Yeah, we're not talking about

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like you know, he doesn't playthose weekend and right. Yeah, they're
slowly different, totally different animal.And it's interesting, right, he misses
the cut at the Masters and thePJA Championship. He was forty second at
the US Open, so and nowhe's going and playing over there. I
mean, what he accomplished is prettyimpressive. I was going to be on
a Ryder Cup team very very yeah, right, like yeah, I would.
I would want that guy with thatmentality and that ability to put.

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I think he'd be a great teammatefor anybody. You could put him.
You could match him with anybody onthat squad and he'd be he'd be a
great teammate. I think putting absolutelyincredible. I saw a staff from Justin
Ray on Twitter in different ways toget it done. Percentage of strokes gained
to come from putting by each ofthe four men's majors in twenty twenty three.
John Ram at the Masters twelve pointthree percent, Brooks at PGA twenty

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two percent, Wyndham Clark of theUS Open forty two, Brian Harmon sixty
two point one percent strokes gain fromputting in SEEZ, I'm with you here.
I want him, I want himteam. But you know how how
how popular that Odyssey putter got afterRicky Fowler. And when one is anybody
going out and buying that Brian HarmonPotter, I don't even want to find

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that's gonna be Harry's Christmas present lookslike like, honestly, it looks like
a drone. It's crazy, it'scrazy, but hey it works. Just
put a shaft on this right right, And then you know, obviously some
other very interesting storylines U the Ttwo's right. You have Strappa who's been
playing really, really well, JasonDay, Harry who you were all over

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and said he was gonna do well, Tom Kim, who were also over.
Also. Tom Kim has a Gradeone tear in his ankle during the
tournament and still comes up with aT two tremendous. I mean, the
guys on his team told him tosuck it up. That's something I would
say, And we talked about Wejust talked about Emiliano Grillo as as Tano

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said at T six, along withRory Sharma, who is a big story
uh, Cam Young and then MatthewJordan with a T tan. I mean
that was kind of the real other, really great storyline his home course.
All the memory were there, andhe just performed really really well. Bertie's
on eighteen to get into a topten. Yeah, top ten which gets
him in next year at Troon,which is really cool for him. But
yeah, and this the Chebanker Sharma. I needed Sharma with Shaffle and Scheffler.

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I needed that threesome going off onSunday. That would have been really
good for the alliteration three times fast. Yeah. I mean, you know,
so all the majors are done right. You have John Ram, you
have Brooks Keepka, you have WyndhamClark, you have Brian Harmon. We
are we are through major season.We are heading to the playoffs. Um,

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what do you out of out ofthose four, who do you think
had the most impressive performance? Ohwow? Um, I mean just from
the stats I read, I wouldsay Brian Harmon, I mean sixty two
point one percent, and then youjust said, yeah, like that is
incredibly impressive. Brooks. I didn'tthink Brooks in ram Wren a surprise,

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so I'd say Harmon one, Wyndhamtwo and then T three for her.
Ram and Broth I like it.Yeah, I agree with you. And
only two hundred and sixty days tillthe Masters. That's it. But who's
got any other any other big takeawaysfrom the Open Championship that you know,
the weather came in which one Sunday, which is cool, but you know
any anything else that really stood outto you? Well, it was cool,

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But I tell you, I don'tlike watching golf with rain on the
camera lens, you know. Imean some of those places where you couldn't
even really see what was going onand it was kind of more of a
nuisance kind of a rain rather thanone of those, you know, like
downpour types of things. I preferredSaturday, when the weather was really really
laid down and those guys were justfiring at everything and making birdies, you

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know, left and right. Ireally liked Saturdays. I don't know if
I'd like to play that golf coursewith the members you tee off on three.
Their third hole for the championship isyour first hole and it's got in
course out of bounds all down theright side. I'm like, are you
serious? Yeah? What about thosehole bunkers too? Oh yeah, oh

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I'd have been in. I'd havebeen in forty of those well through a
gorse bush too. Right. Keepingit on broadcast coverage and watching though,
I do have to give some justificationto Brad because he we saw on his
social so many disgruntled comments like ofcourse you're only showing Rory or you're only
showing this or that. But theyhave to use what's called the World Feed,
so it's not NBC's production, sothey really have no idea. It

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would be like us three up hereand all of a sudden, like they
have the whole coverage that they're assignedto, but the World Feed will just
throw somebody up part of me,and that's who they have to cover.
So they didn't have control over sayinglike hey, you know this is our
leader, or here's like an incredibleshot, let's skip to this. It
was on the World Feed, soa lot of people and if Rory's in
the Open champions it's going to becovered, right, Yeah, especially five

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holes right rom had mentioned it,right and who oh homa Holme I mentioned
it like playing with him over thereis impossible. Soon as he hits,
everyone's moving and you have hit yourshot, you know, yeah, showing.
Yeah, he did best finishing andfinishing and a major Yeah, along
with Fleetwood and Matthew Jordan. Yeah. I don't think it was anything about

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Brian Harmon. It was just thatit wasn't Rory McElroy or Tommy fleet those
those fans wanted to see one ofthose two guys in the mix at the
end, and my guy Fleetwood justI wanted a new driver. I started
Thursday and Friday hot, I'm like, all right, I'm thirty in my
Draft Kings, let's go. Andthen the weekend Stu King and Stu King

(31:36):
and Coop get the win and theDraftKings contest. Good for this Stu uh
Stu Levic is the carpet King.He's a member at the nineteen twelve Club
and he does really well and thehe lives on the top of that leaderboard.
He lives, he does, buthe's clean, no good at the
one and done. He's down nearme in the one and done pool.
But but you could say us,oh, I'm down there keeping come but

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he too, oh man. Buta tremendous Open championship, a great major
season, a lot of shake upin the ryder cuff standings because of these
majors, with a Windham Clark,with Brian Harmon, Rock of guys Sepstraka,
right, so interesting to see howhow this gets done. And then
also we have no I'm sorry ahead, Horrey, you another no, that's
no. And then we still havelike JT his week, you know,

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he missed the cut and heads homeearly, you know, sort of mumbling
to himself, I'm sure on thejet flight home he shot eighty two on
Friday, and just I mean,I think he put up well. He
had. He got some bad lucktoo, ended up in those pot bunkers
where he had to go out sideways. Did you see that on I think
it was Thursday where he got it. He went to eighteen and he put

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it in the middle pot bunker,right up against the edge. So was
Rory. Rory got his out andand actually made a par I believe on
the whole miraculously. But JT.I think put up like an eight or
a nine on that hole that day. Yeah, that was brutal. I
kind of like, let me phrasethis correctly. I was gonna say I
like that he's not playing well rightnow, but that's not exactly what I

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mean. I like that how transparentand vulnerable JT's been with you know,
look it sucks. It's I'm nottrying to play well. We heard Donna
say it earlier, like you canplay really well one day and you're like,
let's go, and then the nextday you're like, what is happening?
And like you were just saying,Harry his luck. When you're not
playing well, it seems like,Okay, the golf gods are against me.
Of course my ball's rolling into youknow, the drain coverage. Of

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course my ball is in the bunker. I got that break, I took
that bounce. So I think it'sgood. I mean a lot of the
guys are talking like JT is sucha great player, he's just not playing
good golf right now. And heput on his story earlier that in what
was it two thousand and nine,he got a sponsors exemption into the Windham.
Look at him, such a littlekid right there, and then he'll

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be playing in that next week.But it just goes to show, you
know, talking to Tano earlier,all the stories of all the guys we
have on here their journey and howit is. I mean, it's a
roller coaster. Us sitting on thecouch or you know, watching from home.
It's such a different story. Youguys will even text me and be
like, what happened on this hold? I'm like, you see a shot,
Tracer's not even close. You're like, actually, it took the worst

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possible balancing, got the worst break. This happened, But you just see,
you know, a four or fiveon the card and it's like,
what's going on? But I think, you know, for such a high
caliber player such as JT to bestruggling a little bit, it makes the
rest of us realize that it's kindof a grind out there. Well,
yeah, we've seen this with JordanSpieth and Ricky Fowler you know, a
while, and they came back,and uh, you know, I would

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expect the same from JT. Idon't know if it's going to happen this
week. I mean, he's playingthis week and next week because he's got
to get inside the top seventy andright now I think he's seventy fifth in
the FedEx Cup, so you know, one good week gets him in,
you know, but playing think aboutthe decision, you know for the Ryder
Cup captain, like, if he'snot going to qualify, so do you

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put him in as a captain's pickover a guy like Harmon or you know
some of these other younger guys thatare playing really well. It's going to
be controversial either way. We willwait and see. We talked about the
FedEx Cup points and that leads usto our next the alternate event and the
often mispronounced actually batilla. Of course, twenty one year old gets his first

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PGA Tour win. We talked aboutbears, we talked about coyotes and tahoe,
but there was a twenty one yearold who got his first PGA Tour
win over Patrick Rodgers in a playoff, and guys, once again, the
fairway divot debate fires up, becausethat's exactly what happened to Patrick Rodgers and
he flubbed his shot coming out ofit. And where do you guys stand

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on that? Danielle, Let's startwith you. I mean, I think
if your ball falls into into adivot and you especially in a playoff position.
I mean, but we have tokeep it you know, um what
I'm losing the word to keep consistentoff the board. You can't just say

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in a playoff, but no,I think there should be really if your
ball falls into that, then youshould be able to get a drop to
the side. I mean, ifit falls into a dream coverage or sprinklerhead
or something else, you get youget to take a drop, Like why
not? Yeah? I agree ifyou find the fair way, you know,
and you're in a divot, youknow, especially if it's not a

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divot where they actually tried to fixthe divot, and which happens you know
on our golf courses where where youplay. We're not on the PGA Tour
with officials walking around and and caddieswho can do that kind of stuff.
So you'll you'll ball go into adivot and you're like, man, I
hit the fairway. Now I gotto play with this. Like Paul Casey
got screwed in the Players Championship acouple of two years ago. I think

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it was where he hit it intoa like where the ball a ball mark
really wasn't a divot. It waswhere the ball went into a soft to
the soft fairway and knocked the grassup and his ball was stuck in there.
He had to play his shot fromthere. I mean, that's to
me, that's that's too much.Like you said, Harry, you placed
it right in the fair way.Yeah, man, you did what you're

(37:04):
supposed to do. And just becausesomebody else either didn't fix the divot or
you know, whatever happened, youhave to take you know, I think
the only reason why there hasn't beenany action is just because of how it's
discretionary. Like, you know,is it an inch little divot? Right?
Is it a giant? Like?How do you define where your ball's
lying? And if you're having ago at that point, you just have
to go lift clean in place?Right, because I think there would be

(37:28):
tons of it would slow the gamedown probably, Hey, this is lying
here, well, it's kind ofnot in a divots, right, you
know, I think it would justit's so hard to define that, and
I think that's why there's never beenany action on it. And some of
these guys will call Roules officials overfor for anything. Yeah, yeah,
but I'm standing in a divot exactly, Yeah, right, my stance is

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unstable now, right, right.But we talked about we opened up with
this tournament talking about the FedEx Cuppoints and it's interesting because this is an
alternative event actually, but it doesnot get any X Cup points and so
he's been sitting it. He's sittingat ninety two. He would have been
at fifty two if it was afull a full um you know points.
So but you know, he getshis membership through twenty twenty four. He's

(38:13):
into Century Charles Swab players in PJAChampionships. So it's a huge win either
way. But you know, itis what it is. It was an
alternative event, so you know that'swhat happens. Nice moment with the girlfriend.
Yeah, yeah, who was noton the back on the back,
I'll tell you Oxay, it's good. He has that hairstyle because you turn
him sideways, you don't see him. He is. He is a skinny

(38:36):
dude, man, He really reallyis. He really is. So Harry,
I know you're you're you're gonna playsome golf in a different location.
I think. Over the next coupleof days, UM I had an incredible
lesson with John DeMarco from the LegacyClub. UM I've seen Steve Saki over
there. We're so lucky to havetwo guys like that and other guys that
worked there too. I don't wantto discount any of them that just do
an incredible job. But I haveto get myself together, Harry, because

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I have a pretty good stretch comingup. I have Bethpage Black with green
in a couple of weeks. Ihave Due Process again coming up with my
buddy Andrew Girardi. I'm playing withour friend John Clark in the Ed Snyder
Youth Hockey Foundation over at Saint David'son Seven's right by my house. How's

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that course? Yeah, that's nice. I've never played it, but I've
seen I've been by it many times. It's right a mile from my house.
And then later in Augusta, Ihave my favorite rounds of the year
up in Lake George, where Greenymakes his annual appearance on the podcast playing
when we play the Sagamore and TakondaRoga. So how about you? How
are you playing some golf up there? Well, I'm not playing Beth Page
Black, but I'm playing Shanna Cossa, which is the Donald Ross course.

(39:44):
It's a municipal course. Right herein Groton, Connecticut, where I am,
and actually the sixteenth and seventeenth holeyou can see from my sister's house.
It's a really nice old school designand they keep it in really good
shape. And every time we comeup here we get make sure we get
at least one or two rounds in. I just noticed, Harry, you
don't have the golf course background.No, because I don't have my green

(40:08):
screen with me. I don't travelwith the green screen. I love it.
I love it. Guys. Youknow that winners never cheat, cheaters
never win, right, And therewas a story this week that of course
Ryan French Um Monday q Info,who covers all of this stuff incredibly well,

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had this story first. And thenyou know you have Justin Dodan,
who is who basically just erase theseven and put a five, And like,
I mean, how how that stickswith you forever? Right? They
talked about VJA, saying it happeneda million years ago, not even on
a PGA tour. I mean,yeah, I mean, there's so much
at stake here, and you know, I could see why someone would do

(40:52):
it, but the game of golfis built on trust and honesty and just
to see something like this. Imean, he owned it, but he
owned it after he was of course, just a crazy story honestly, so
if anyone doesn't know the full story. Literally, his playing partner had signed
his scorecard and then he let mesee that to make the cut because his

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number was on the cut, changedit to get into the cut. And
then they saw that he was playingin the field and they were like,
wait, what he didn't make thecut? Yeah, Papa, yeah wow.
And then he was like, I'msorry, yeah, I embarrassed my
family, like I messed up.But like you said, like you're apologizing
after the fact, like yeah wow. So so he erased a seven put

(41:39):
a five in order to make thecut. Yeah, after his teammate had
signed the card, and he waslike, hey let me see that car.
A lot that happens loud, Heylet me see the car. Let
me compare and make sure we're good. And then he erased it and through
a through a finsky in there toget a double cheat. And I think
that the you know, the playingpartners were like they realized it right away.
They're like, you know, justjust a wild story. It happens

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every now and then. And Ithink the more it's talked about. Hopefully,
the less it will happen, becauselike you can't get away with anything
these days, right, everything's onthe time, right, Like you can't
get away with that even if whywould you watch Canada? Yeah exactly?
I mean and then now now everytime, like if you draw him,
like if he's in your group upcoming, you're gonna want to be like,

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oh, oh, did you reallyfind your ball? Like right right?
Was your ball actually in the divot? Exactly? And that's why we can't
have the divot rules of cheaters.It'scoes of cheaters, Harry, people who
don't cheat, and people who doan incredible job and save people money.
And she'll set sell Chevys for less, as our friend Joe Perry says over

(42:45):
there and Dante, uh. Ofcourse our friends mal Chevy, and we
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But I don't know, Moose.I still think it's because of that motto
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we take a look ahead at thethree M Open in Minneapolis TPC Twin Cities.
Tony Feene now defending previous winners here, Cam Champ, Matthew Wolf,
Tony Feene. Now it's wide open, right, so you feel like this
is a bomber's course. Three ofthe four were one hundred to one,
So I would take a look atsome value, even though some of the
top of the board guys look great. But you know, looking forward to

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this tournament, there's a lot atstake when you get this this. We
talked about the FedEx Cup points,right, Guys that are on the bubble,
guys are gonna have to make orrun at it. But this should
be an interesting one. There's somegood guys in the field. Yeah,
there's eleven of the top fifty inthis field. And we mentioned JT.
He's here for one reason, onereason alone, to get as many points
as he can to jump inside thetop seven. He doesn't want to miss
the playoffs. So there's a lotat steak here. And I think it's

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a pretty good field, better fieldthan I can remember this being in the
last couple of years. It's apar seventy one seventy four hundred plus yards.
Arnold Palmer design for this TPC TwinCities. And this looks like,
Danielle, you can attest to this. This looks like you took a golf
course out of West Palm Beach andput it in Minnesota. It looks like

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a Florida golf course. There's twentyseven water hazards on fifteen of the holes.
Moose and Danielle, that's a lotof water. Arnold Palmer likes a
lot of water. Is designs parfour. Scoring is going to be at
a premium and bogie avoidance obviously,because you're gonna make a lot of birdies,
you've got to avoid the bogie's toughpar threes and really tough par fives

(44:57):
on this golf course, some ofthe toughest par fives that face all season
on the PGA Tour. And there'sa hole here. Tom Lehman, of
course, Minnesota's own Tom Lehman,British Open champion of the past, did
some consulting on this golf course andchange some things on the seventh hole,
and they now call it Tom's Thumb. It's a three hundred and eighty one

(45:21):
yard par four that can be reachedwith a long, accurate t shot about
some guys will take it conservative andthen you got gonna have an approach of
inside one hundred yards. So watchout for the seventh hole. Should be
some action there, but I'm lookingforward to this one. Bring a lot
of balls. We call this newsegment for now until we rename it the
Course of Course with Harry Mays,because nobody breaks down the golf course quite

(45:44):
like Harry does weekend and week out, and I think so often the golf
course is the biggest storyline, orone of the biggest storylines. So to
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Has It's going to be a bigdeal. And of course strokes gained approach
as it is every week. Yeahyeah, big gourdons. You're here in
that same kind of sentiment. Daniellefrom from the players with of course like
this where guys can kind of letit rip out there, I mean kind
of depending on which player you're talkingto and what their approaches and how they
need to play heading into playoffs.So I think it's a little bit more

(46:28):
pressure, like you guys already mentionedthese next two tournaments and trying to sneak
into playoffs if you can or maintainyour card or you know, just continually
get more points. So I thinkthat's more of the strategy in learning to
adapt to the course. As Tanawas saying, this week and next week
is as much as others. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
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Mays, Let's continue to see theline. What do you like in this
one? Yeah, you know,kind of hot on my matchups. I
won three of four last week,including Brian Harmon over Keegan Bradley. But
I don't any any matchups that stoodout to me this week, So I'm

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just gonna go with that. Havetwo, I'll help you. Oh you
do, Okay, all right,we'll get we'll get to those. But
sep Straka stands out to me.I mean, this guy right now is
one of the hottest players on thetour. He's got a win and a
runner up in his last two starts, he's plus twenty two hundred. I
think that's pretty good value for aguy who's coming in here, you know,
hitting the ball the way he is, and he won the Honda last

(48:39):
year. To me, this isthe Honda Golf very a lot of similarities
to that golf course, you know, coming up here to Minnesota, I
think I don't think water is gonna, you know, play into his his
fear at all. And he wasfifth this year at the Honda. So
I'm I'm looking a little course correlationhere and gonna take Sep Straka plus twenty
two hundred win at Lucas Glover Isall three straight top sixes. Just don't

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watch him try to hit a fourfoot put that matters. But he was
seventh in the three m back intwenty nineteen. I'm gonna take him in
a top ten plus four fifty forLucas hitting the ball great. JT.
Posting is another guy. Was fortyfirst last week, sixth at the Scottish
Open, and sixth at the JohnDeere a couple of weeks ago. He
finished eleventh here last year. I'lltake him plus two ten in a top

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twenty. And our buddy Eric Coletop thirty at plus money plus one thirty
for Eric Cole, Oh yeah,oh yeah. I like a lot of
those plays, Harry. I couldsee Cam Young getting his first win here.
I don't know if I want totake him as as the top of
the leaderboard guy at plus sixteen hundred. I do like posting and I don't
hate that number at forty five hundredHitecki. Also, you know DECKI and

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Sunjay are very popular this week.Also Gary Woodland's getting a lot of love
this week. But for me,there's there's a couple other guys we talked
about me Emiliano Grigo two top fiveshere, that's what I'm taking him my
one and done actually, and alsoAdam Hadwin. It was a T six
and a T four at this tournament, so I think those guys could could
rise to the top. I likeEric Cole, pretty big number even if

(50:13):
you take him to win. Butthe two matchups, I'm taking Cam Davis
plus one twenty over Aaron Rye andEric Cole plus one oh five over JJ
Spawn two plus money matchups that Ifeel like it could make some moves,
and I'm taking the Brandon Matthews ina top twenty at plus two thousand.
Let's get it going. There,you go, let's go, let's go,
Danielle, No, no fantasy contestthis week, but anyone jumping out

(50:36):
at you to get the w Honestly, I got home. I took a
ridiculous flight from Reno to Dallas,had an hour layover that you know,
in similar Wes Patterson fashion, gotdelayed two hours, so I traveled for
about ten hours on Sunday at inthe time change, and then getting back

(50:59):
into the office, I haven't eventhought about who's standing out to me.
The sweet Brendan's birthday is tomorrow,so I'll let him know that the team's
rooting for him this week for hisbirthday and for a top twenty. You
said, always yeah, twenty twenty. Yeah, team baby, Yeah,
always rooting, always rooting for him. Well, thank you guys. It

(51:20):
was a lot of fun. Nextweek, we're finally getting to talk to
Ben Dwan from Cobb's Creek. Dyingto know um directly from Ben, what
is happening over there, what's thetimeline, how things are progressing? Biggest
story probably in Philadelphia golf Um thatkind of ebbs and flows with the with
the economy and everything else going on, but when Tiger Woods Foundation gets involved,
it makes it even a bigger story. So looking forward to talk to

(51:40):
Ben next week. Absolutely, andfor everybody listening, if you have interest
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