Swing It & Ding It: Episode 191

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swing and ding it. Yeah,you know, just guess it's gonna go
out there and try to swing itand ding it. All right, Hello
and welcome to Swing It and dingIt and iHeartMedia podcast. This is Moose
So along with Harry Mays, Danielleand Vienna, Matt News and the great
ESPN Caddy Michael Collins excited for thisshow. Today, we're gonna be talking

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birds, We're gonna be talking Phillycourses. We're gonna be talking about it
at all, There's no doubt aboutit. We will be talking about the
line when we see the line withDrafting Sportsbook. Towards the end of the
program, we're gonna talking about golftravel a little bit with our friends from
All Access GT and of course ComcastBusiness and our golf out and coming up.
We have so much to get into, but Michael welcome to swing it
and ding it. Man. Thankyou. I am sorry that it's taking

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me this long to come on showand be with y'all, but it's been
I've been wanting to come on fora while. It has been on like
four times. Bring that up.We're going to do our radio so later.
And he's already gonna be giving megrief about that. You know,
the guy comes up to the areaone month a year, you know,
a week in December and plays golfin the freezing cold up here, and
he thinks he's a Philly guy andhe's a Mets fan. He's like,

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come on, I know, likeboo bro, come on, man,
Yeah, that's exactly right. Butyou know, we want to get into
it all. A term that weuse on this show, Michael is golf
journey. Right. We talked toa lot of people about their golf journey
and how they got into the game, and yours was the traditional way.
Right. Grew up on a countryclub, right, you know, college
scholarship, played d one golf,just a normal just right. You hear

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it everything else. Your story intothe game of golf is one of the
most interesting, and we'd love tohear it you know, and you know
how many emails I get from collegekids now, you know, see me
on ESPN and they're like, I'ma journalism student and how do I I'm
a journalism student in my second orthird year in college, and how do
I do it? Don't have whatyou're asking me for, Like, I

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never went to college and failed highschool English. So you try to follow
my path, you're gonna end uplike, Hey, didn't you want to
be on ESPN? Yeah, welcometo Walmart. You want a carter or
a basket? Don't follow me.Me and SBT talk about it all the
time. Yeah. I mean,I grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and
never got into golf, And itwasn't until I was in I was probably
twenty two twenty. I was doingstand up comedy full time, and another

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stand up comedian was like, heyman, you gotta learn how to golf.
And he used to watch it onTV's name was Lee Shaeffer, and
I would make fun of him mercilessly, you gotta learn how to golf,
and I'd be like, for whatcause I don't have a sleep disorder?
Like you do? What you puttinggolf on you? Got Narcolepsi or something
on a Saturday. No, yougot to learn golfers and everything. I
was like, okay, whatever,But then he goes, hey, man,

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call a comedy club and tell himthat you're playing golf in the area
and see if they let you geton stage. And call another club and
just ask them to do five minutesand see which club let you on stage.
And I called one club. Iwas like, oh, my name's
Michael Collins and just started doing standup comedy. Was hoping I come do
five minutes and they were like,nah, send the tape, send us
a video or something, and Iwas like whatever. And then I called

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another club and I was like,hey, my name's Michael Collins. I'm
playing golf nearby. And I sawy'all had a comedy club and the guy
was like, yeah, sure whereyou playing? You got room for another
and I was like, oh,snap, at work. Oh. So
I called Lee and was like,Yo, you gotta teach me at freaking
work. I can't believe this.And so he took me out to this
part three pitching putt with when Akron, Pennsylvania that was like two dollars and

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fifty cent just outside Litits and effortpapers by Lancaster, and after we were
done, he was like, whatdo you think? And I was like,
I got five more, bro,I'm be here for a minute.
I was hugged from jump right andso next thing I know, like I'm
taking trying to find where I canget golf clubs at and now where where
are the golf courses? And soit turns out in nineteen ninety eight,

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I'm performing in hilton Head, SouthCarolina the week that the tournament is there,
and the kid I went to highschool with was an assistant pro at
Nicholas's course. INDI go run downthere and he's like, oh, man,
I got his tickets to go tothe tournament on Tuesday. And I
was like, I don't think theyplay on Tuesday, bro, They're only
on TV. This is nineteen ninetyeight. So I was like, they
only play on Saturday and Sunday,dude, that's what I see them on

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TV. And he was like,no, we'll go to the practice round.
And I was like, okay,bro, we're gonna go watch golf
practice go on. That's the stupidestthing I've ever heard. But we go
there and we walk in and there'sa practice putting green, which at the
time was elevated. So we walkup and this dude just stops. Punny
comes over. It's like, yo, hey, how you doing. Long

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time no seeing all. I waslike, uh yeah, okay, and
he was like, are you doingshows? And I go yeah, and
he was like, this is great. We got to hook up. It's
been too long. We gotta gettogether, man, we gotta get in
comic come to the show. Okay, cool? Great, and he walks
away and my friend is like,you know, Billy Andre. I'm like,
I've never seen that guy before inmy life. It turns out he
thought I was Darius Rutger. Hethought it was Hoody from Hoody and the

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Blowfish cause it's ninety eight crack rearview mirror just blown up. They knew
each other. So my first nicknameon tour later that week, everybody's called
me little Hoody, Little Moody's first, and all the guys on PGA Tour
Champions still call me little Hoodie.So I meet another golfer, Omar Arresti,
who ends up coming to the showTuesday night with his brother. He

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gives me clubhouse badges. I'm therefor the whole week. By the end
of the week, it's fifty playersand one hundred caddies have been to the
show. So I start booking comedywherever the tour is gonna be. So
now on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, caddiesare like, yo, you want a
caddy carried a bag this today?And I yeah, not thinking I'm thirty
five five pounds and We're gonna walkseven miles like I'm just a shirt,
but now for the caddy to havea day off. But it was like,

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yeah, I was inside the ropesand it was cool, and like
all these guys I'm hanging out within the daytime on the golf course and
at night, whatever we talked abouton the golf course, I would take
the stage. And so then oneday Robert Gamez called me up and was
like, hey, man, whatare you doing next week? And I
was like, I just gotta frightone show Friday and one show Saturday.

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And he was like, can't cancelit? And I was like why,
and I got let me. Canwe curse on here? We can play?
All right? Cool? He goes, I'm playing like and my caddy
quit and I need to remember tohave fun on the golf course again.
And I was like, okay.He goes, I got this rehab start
on Nike Tour. Come caddy forme. And I was like, and
that was now corn Ferry Tour,but at time it was Nike Tour.

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And he was like, and Igo, all right, cool, why
not what I was like, Icancel my gig. So that's how it
started. We get there. Thecourse was underwater. No practice this round
Tuesday. The pro am got washedout on Wednesday. We weren't even allowed
to like step on the course.They gave us a cart on Wednesday and
said we could drive around and lookat the course and couldn't hit a shot.

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So I'm in the cart with himand I'm like, yup, that
looks like a golf course. SoThursday, first round, part five,
we on the tea box. Igot the bib on and it's for real.
I had no idea what I'm doing. So he comes over and takes
the head cover on the driver andhe looks at me. He goes and
then he looks, hey, don'thit it in the sandtrack down there,

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right, Because I don't know howto rape like a pro who and he's
like, and I'm like, whydid you look at me like that?
You know, he gonna hit itright there in the bunker and he slams
the driver back in the bag andI was like, bro, I told
you not to hear it, andhe was like, you can't say that,
and I was like, what doyou mean now? You telling me
what to say? And then wegot down there and I was like,

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what are you gonna do? Hegoes, I'm gonna hit it in the
front bunker, in front this ispart five, Get up and down and
nike it and make birdie. AndI was like, fool, I just
told you don't get it, evensaying because I don't know how to rap,
I'm telling you hit it in thatfront greenside bunker. And I'm gonna
tell this whole tournament that seria illegalimmigrant and you're not even allowed to be
in this country. And he laughedand he was like you ain't doing nothing,

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and jumped down with the three andhe hits it and he's posing as
it went right in the bunker,like he called his shot and then looked
at me man, and I waslike, yo, hey, he's not
even legal. He's not supposed tobe here, and then I looked around
to the other two golfers and caddiesand they're like, what the hell is
going on here? What is this? And I was like, oh,

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snap, I forgot this. Otherdudes, but we had so much fun.
By the end of the week.Other dudes were like, yo,
man, here's my phone number.Call me when you got a week off
on comedy because I got to rememberhow to have fun again on the golf
and that's how my daddy stuff started. It was crazy. And then for
like the media stuff, I wascaddy for Omar your restie. We're at

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the Byron Nelson and this dude comesup to me and goes, hey,
man, I know you do standup comedy and you're out here caddying and
stuff, but how would you feellike on an off week, maybe try
to do play by play? AndI was like, word, who are
you with? Golf channel, ABC, CBS, NBC And he was like,
no, XM radio And I waslike, golf on the radio?

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Come on, man, it's hardenough to watch Paint Drive. You think
people are gonna listen to Paint Driveoff on the radio? Come on,
I do. So he that's thething, and he was like, this
is why we think you'd be goodat it. And I was like,
you know what, why not?And then right before I did my first
one, I called my best friendat the time and I was like,
yo, man, I don't knowwhat am I gonna How do I do

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this? Bro? What am Igonna do? Jose Diz And Jose tells
me, he goes, hey,man, pretend like we're on the phone
and just tell me from the phonelike everything that you see what's happening to
act like we're just on the phonetogether. And I was like, all
right, cool. And it turnsout the head of ESPN and Fox Sports
at the time closet golf maniacs listento golf on the radio. The next

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thing I know, I was gettingmessages on Twitter from ESPN and got a
call from the dude at Fox Sports. This is like Forrest Gump, Bro,
it's unbeelling you. It's the craziest. And literally, when I went
and did the ESPN interview, theycalled the car wash. You gotta go
up there. It's an eight hourday. You do nine interviews, but

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the first interviews with the top dude, and this dude like I'm sitting there
like my first interview. I'm lookingaround like, man, come on,
this ain't there's no way, like, so we walk into his office like
he comes out of his got thecorner office and stuff. And he comes
out and of course, and everybodyI look around, everybody's like on their
piece. And Q's like, oh, the big boss got to act like
I'm really working there. And hetakes me in the office off serious,

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and he closed the door and he'slike, man, I'm so excited you're
here. And I'm looking around atthe corners of his office and he's like,
is everything okay? And I waslike, man, I'm looking for
cameras because if Ashton Kutcher comes inhere, it tells me. And he
laughed and he was like, no, man, this is You're not punk.
This is real. And I waslike no, seriously, like come
on man, like I'm at ESPNheadquarters for a job interview, like I

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was just doing stand up comedy andlike caddying on the PGA tour. Now
you're telling me I can work forlike the one the spot, Like seriously,
this is real. And he waslike, yeah, we thought one
of our writers is leaving and wethought we want to try something different,
and I was like, well,you're getting something different because I stayed in
school English and I still type withtwo fingers, like because I used to

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make fun of kids in typing classand now karmas bite me and the ass
because you're gonna hire me as awriter. It's amazing A very traditional journey,
yeah, which is why Like,and I've spoken a bunch of times
in some college journalism schools, likeI hear you. I live in Gainesville,
so I spoken at UF you know, all the time, And I
tell that's what I tell kids Iloosten man and even little kids. When

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I speak to children, same thing. Do not be afraid to say,
yeah, why not? Because youjust never know when opportunity is going to
open the door that you weren't expecting, like in a direction you never thought
you were gonna go, but youtry something to be like, who knows
if I like it cool, ifI don't like it, whatever, at
least I tried it. It's kindof like vegetables a little bit right where

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it's like look, Brussels sprots lookeddisgusting, and then you taste it and
it's you know when they grill broiledwith special and you're like that looked disgusting
and it was delicious. And that'skind of like how my life journey has
been. It's been amazing. Istill tell my mom too. At some
point, an alarm clock's gonna gooff and like I'm gonna be thirteen,
You're gonna be like, get upand go to school. I knew this

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was a dream. I knew itwas incredible. Well, you highlighted the
networking aspect and how your your friendlyyou know, just said get into it,
get into it. Yeah, Ididn't have a ton of experience with
golf o when I worked from themat for the Magic Post College, I
was like, yeah, I playedgolf and I did kind of just a
subtle, subtle drop like that,and all of a sudden, I'm you

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know, the b Ops team,I'm going out. They need, you
know, a woman on their teamfor whatever it is. And it's like
everyone's like, not ain't fair.This is the third time this week,
And leaveing the office, I'm like, learn to play. And I tell
people, now, if you likea daughter, if you got to if
you want your daughter to go tocollege for free, because so many little
girls there you go and so manylittle girls like, oh, they all

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want to play soccer, they allwant to play softball, right, but
it's like nah, because of Titlenine, they don't have enough scholarships for
American girls to play golf. Soall of these colleges Division one, two,
and three they have all these foreigngirls that have to come over and
take these scholarships because not enough Americangirls play golf. It's crazy, like

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just learning, I'm gonna change that. I got four so I want them.
I'm playing numbers. Yeah, allyou gotta do is average really,
like you have a seventy average.And if you get into business like yeah,
Danielle, just that's another big hint, like a woman in business who
can play golf? What? Yeah? Yeah, that's what it's crazy like.

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And I'm I talked when I wasdoing my podcast with Matt Barry.
That's one of the things when wepitched at the ESPN, they were like,
man, why golf I go?Because if you went to Aaron Rodgers
and said, hey, we're doingthis football podcast, He's gonna mush you
in the face. Yep, right, You went to Andre Iguodala, you
went to Lebron, you go anyyou name the player in that sport and

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say hey, you want to talkabout your sport, and they're gonna be
like, no, you go toany sport. Like the last time I
checked, Like, Alex Ovechkin isnot picking up his eight buddies and playing
pick up hockey, right, Mike, Mike Trout is not being like,

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yo, you ten dudes want togo play look up baseball? This winner.
No, you know what they alldo, every single one. They
all play golf. They all playit. It's crazy. How like when
I say golf is in everything entertainment, Like you see all these people on
TV and movies and music, youyou name it. All these big industries

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used to own a golf course.Like now you're like, hold up,
is that Jimmy Fallon and Mark Wahlbergon a golf course? Yeah? Yeah,
all them hard ass rappers that you'relike, Yo, this dude did
three years in prison. Well nowhe's wearing foot Joys and some Jordan's with

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spikes on the bottom of him.You're like, wait, what, Well,
Michael, you caddied for so manydifferent players. You mentioned a couple
of them. Omar you Resty,Robert Kamas, you gotta add it in
Daniel Chopra, PGA champion, RichBean, Kevin Streelman, Scott Pearcy,
and there's probably some more. Soobviously that makes you got fired a few
times. Give us your most liaringbecause caddies get fired. Yeah, well

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that's the nature of it too.And one of it's funny, man,
this one dude is so mad atme right now. Right but it's like,
I don't like using names on howI got fired and stuff. But
now this dude, because of no, we're friends though. This is the
thing. Daniel Chopin fired me inthe wildest way ever. He didn't fire

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me himself. He sent his wifeout to fire me. And I was
on a Thursday after the first round. Yeah, we shot six over on
Thursday after Chicago. Now we hadalmost gotten a fight on the golf course
literally at TPC Avenuel back in theday, for it was a buick back
in the day. And literally inthe middle of fair bag, I put
in the fairway, I put thebag down. I was like, dude,

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w you want to go right herein front of everybody's like, what's
going on? Man, what's theproblem? Like I didn't know. He
was livid at me, and Ihad no idea why, and he was
just being he was pissed. Andit turned out later that I found out
he thought he thought that I wasentertaining the other two caddies and players.
But he had taken off like hewas a fast walker, and he was

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a fast player anyway, so hehad taken off and he was like twenty
yards in front of everybody, andI was like five to six yards behind
him, and then fourteen yards infront of the other guys. But he
heard them laughing, and instead ofturning around, he just was like he
was in his headspace. So hewas livid, thinking I'm making these dudes
laugh, right, Because here's thething. He was a rookie, right,

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and I was on USA Network ona show called PGA Tour Sunday.
So I was like, the caddywas more famous than the player, and
he's not was not He was notokay with that. It's not an okay
thing. What the wife say?She just came out here. So so
so this is at Avinel. Wehave this little we're banging heads where we

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thought we were going to be reallygreat together, and after about five weeks
it was like, oh, Nah'ssaying it's not going to be this,
ain't it? You know what I'msaying, And that's a relationship. It
just ain't it. So Chicago wasthat was it? We up there were
playing cog Hill number two, shootsix over in the first round and like
we're not really talking or nothing likethat, and like my wife was with

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me, Like Celia was there too, and we were all kind of had
been traveling together. And so meand Celia in the parking lot and then
out comes his wife, Samantha,and she was just like, look,
we're gonna go in a different direction. And I was like, where's okay?
Cool? Like your boy not comingout of here. She was like,

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I'm a caddy for and tomorrow we'llpay you for the week. But
we're done. And I was like, okay, cool. And it was
like you knew it was coming.So it wasn't you know, it wasn't.
It wasn't a shocking news or anythinglike that. It was the Golfer
County relationship. It's almost like,because I'm seeing they have to break up,

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I call it a breakup because abreak up and he's like, you
know, they're talking about it andthey're contemplating it, and I'm like,
this is literally like why I wentthrough in my high school in college,
Like it is like I'm not interestedanymore. It's kind of not working out.
I'm making me happy, he's notgiving he's not giving me what I
needed thing or whatnot, you know, or like that. But for me,

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it was just like, dude,I don't understand, Like if I'm
nobody's rooting. This is the hardthing for players in caddies vote well,
not caddy. It's one of thehardest things, is like understanding the relationship
between a player and a caddy isone thing. Caddies are extremely loyal people
because no one's rooting harder for theplayer than the guy on the bag,

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because my paycheck is depending on youplaying well. So no one wants you
to play better than me, Noone, you know, because I need
you to play well because it's we'rea team, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's a whole so but youknow, when things aren't going really
well, you know, and changeshave to be made. It's it happens
out there. Or like if personalitiesyou think are going to be great together

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aren't great together, then it becomesa strain on it and as a caddy,
what makes people ask all the time, like, you know what makes
a great caddy. Well, whatI think makes a great caddy is you
don't caddy the same for same people, right, So like Omar YORESTI didn't
need the same stuff that Daniel Choperneeded. Kevin Streman didn't need the same

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stuff that Scott Piercy needed. SoI'm not gonna talk to those guys in
the same manner. I'm not gonnasay the same things to those dudes in
those situations. Some guys, youknow, sometimes if I needed to say
something to Shreman, if I wasin the same position with Piercy, I
wouldn't say nothing. Some guys needdifferent things, and that's what really makes

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a really good caddy. So itwas like knowing. It's knowing the right
thing to say at the right timeand sometimes knowing when to not say anything
when your instincts or other people's instinctswould tell them, Hey, this is
the time the guy needs to pickup and it's like, nah, this
is actually the time where he needsa boot in the ass and let it

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be mad, Like let him sitin that seething anger for a second to
get it out, you know,and so knowing those moments, and that's
why I fell in love with caddying. It's why. It was that psychology
of the game that that made mereally love and understand the nuances of top

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level golf and what makes these guysand these teams now of dudes this good
because you know, you think aboutback when I started caddying, like in
the late nineties, and you thinkabout the guys in the eighties and the
nineties. You never heard players inthe eighties in the nineties say we right.
Ever, it would show us keepup and shut up. That's it.

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It was me. It was allabout me, and even the best
caddies in the world that were outthere at the time, and the guys
that were really doing it as abusiness, their players weren't talking about them
at all, where nowadays, ifyou're a guy who thinks you're gonna go
out there, you're gonna do itall your own, you ain't gonna last
long on the PGA tour. Well, it's interesting too because of your background,

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right in comedy, where you haveto read a room, right,
you have to read social cues,you have to know what's working for this
person, what's not working for thatperson? Then it almost makes me think
too, if you have thought aboutthis, right, if you were starting
out today or last year with socialmedia and Instagram, how different do you
think your path would have been?Right with the advent of all these guys
that are making us laugh in theworld of golf, whether it's Big Lot,

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whether it's Roger, whether it's Manolo, Like do you think that Gvanelli?
Yeah? He noo. Bonelli killsit on social and with this stuff
he's putting out there with him andJoel. But then you gotta remember,
like those guys they're also best friends, right, you know, you think
of a guy like Joe Briner,you know, with Max Homer, those

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guys are best friends, you know, and they've been best friends for a
while. So, like their relationshipis a lot different than some of the
other guys that are out there,you know, where it's straight business.
I mean, how many people wereshocked and surprised when JT and bone split,
Like, I don't know how manypeople saw that coming, you know,

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So yeah, I mean there area lot of people that didn't see
that coming, so, you know, but it does happen. It's the
nature of the beast. It's thenature of the game, and so you
know, if I would have startedit's funny. I don't know. I
don't know if social media would havebeen what it has become now when I

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was doing stand up comedy and gotinto golf. I don't know then if
I would have ever made that nextstep the caddy, I would I don't
know if I would have put tocaddy in because I wouldn't have. I
wouldn't have. I don't I don'twant to say I wouldn't have needed it,
But there would have been different avenuesthat would have opened up, in
doors that would have potentially opened upand changed my path because of the nature

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of how society is today, Andit wasn't that way back in nineteen ninety
eight. You know, when Ifirst got introduced to professional golf. How
would you handle Rory McElroy Because alot's been made of his player and caddy
relationship, and you know, ithas been a long time since he won
a major. What do you thinkhe needs as far as talk? Yeah,

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I don't think Harry gets enough creditfor how good of a caddy he
is. Didn't we hear this sametalk about Dustin Johnson when he put aj
on the bag? How'd that workout? Oh? No, he got
a green jacket, so right,yep, Like, how come we're not
hearing this talk about other guys thatare great players that haven't won a major

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yet, who don't have their bestfriend or their brother on the bag.
I think right now it's an eat. I think what it is is it's
an easy It's an easy talk radiothing. That's what it is. It
makes it's you know what it is. It's like, man, well the
phones aren't lining up, litten uptoday? What are we gonna talk about
slow play? How do we fixslow play? Like? Yeahring and everything

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lights up? And when it comesto Caddy and it's like, what are
we gonna do about Harry and Rory? Like what you mean? We like?
Who's he bringing on? Who's helike? If you look at the
Caddy ranks out there, now,you're telling me there's somebody betty better for
him than Harry. Is somebody thatknows his game better than Harry that's gonna

(25:48):
be able to say some things tohim. And again, we look at
it in a different way because whenthe camera's on and then something happens you
look back and use hindsight and you'llreplace something and be like, see,
here's what Harry could have said inthis moment, or here's what he should
have said in this moment. Likeif he would have done that, all

(26:08):
the shot would have been completely different. We don't You don't know that.
We don't know. You're using hypotheticals, you know what I mean. Like
if we would have shot a catfor Thanksgiving, guess what we'd be eating?
Hey, oh easy, right,But that's that's the thing that made
with Harry is when that guy tookthe head cover off and took a driver.

(26:30):
You know he didn't do it.He might need a security guard out
there with him. No, noteverybody could in that moment. And this
is like Harry is a nice guy, right right, It ain't like he
ain't Steve Williams where like, andI'm the same way like number one other

(26:52):
than my player, if you don'task to touch it because it's my bag,
right, that's my bags and they'remy clubs until my player touches it.
But he's the only other one thathas the right to touch anything on
my bag. So like I'm notwaiting if I see I used to be
that way, like I'm the nicestguy in the world. But if you

(27:14):
walk near my bag and we're goingover to like touch something on the bag,
it's gonna be a problem. It'sgonna be a problem. So if
I see anybody walk over towards theback, like I didn't even let the
people when they were doing the surveystuff, when the Darryl Survey people,
you're not don't touch my bag,and they were like, oh, I'm
just doing a survey. I don'tcare. I don't care what you're doing.

(27:34):
If you touch something in that bag, you're gonna need to call somebody
because it's gonna be I'm gonna catcha case like don't touch you just don't
don't touch my bag, you knowwhat I mean. I have friend Will
used to get so mad if peoplewere gonna go rub my head. It
was like Albert Bell, this onedude. He would get so he was
like, if I see somebody touchyour head, I'm gonna punch you.

(27:56):
Like relax, bro, Like it'sokay, I'm get But if you go
near my clubs or the clubs thatI'm carrying, noe, no, don't
do that. So yeah, that'sthe yeah, but I saw, like
you could see the look on Harry'sface when that spectator just walked over and
started doing stuff. They were justlike, what, hey, is that

(28:17):
guy supposed to be? Yeah?Yeah, So so Michael set the scene
for us. Right, it's it'sFriday oft the PGA Championship, it's five
thirty in the morning or whatever timeit is you're getting on site. Was
that one of the craziest days inyour career covering the Game of Gotha?
And what was that like? Inthat moment? So we were in the
car, me and a couple ofother the talent for ESPN. We were

(28:41):
in the car sitting in traffic.We were going in the same entrance,
same direction as Scottie Scheffler and JeffDarlington and we were probably twenty five thirty
minutes behind him and in the carsitting in that traffic, we get a
text message Scotty Scheffler's getting arrested andwe were like, God's man, it's

(29:04):
early in the morning to be messingwith everybody, Like he's the last guy
that would get arrested, which iswhy at we were like, that's funny.
And then we were like April,it was similar to when Jim Furick
shot. So the initial the initialthought was similar to when I was on
the golf course and got a textmessage Jim fieris got a chance to shoot

(29:26):
fifty eight And we were like,ah, you're just saying that because you
know we're playing golf and you're tryingto get us to leave the golf course
to go over there, like youknow, noon before the leader's te off
in three hours. And then you'relike, why would you say Jim Furorick?
And it was that way, waslike, why would you say Scotty
Scheffler's the guy. If there's oneguy that you would never even make a

(29:48):
joke about getting arrested, it wouldbe Scotty because he's the furthest dude that
would be on that radar. Andthen it was like, are y'all wait,
is this for real? For real? And that's when one of the
other producers texting was like a Darlingtonwas out of the car and got video
of it. Yes, it's Scotti, this is real. And then it's

(30:11):
like you pulling the fire alarm andit was you know the worst, this
is Selfishly that morning we knew Iknew it was gonna be nasty weather all
day. So we knew Friday waswe saw what the forecast was, and
when you wake up and it's pouringand it's nasty. So me knowing most
of my hits for television were doneoutside on a porch, right, and

(30:33):
so it's, yeah, it's kindof cover. But where I got a
stand, I'm in the elements.So I was like, I'm not taking
my suit, right, I'm gonnabe in my rain gew right, I'm
not even taking the button down anda tie because I'm gonna be in rain
gear. I'm golf polo on ajacket, so I'm gonna have my rain
jacket zipped up. So now thishits the fan and they're like, you're

(30:56):
doing Sports Center from the set,and I was like, ranging see what
happened was is anybody in size Yeah, any fifty two shorts just sitting around?
Probably not so literally. And howit happened was like when I got

(31:18):
to the course, we literally threweverything down. I ran right to the
practice putting green, saw three playersand three caddies and talked to them,
ran right to the set, wason TV, telling everybody, here's I
just talked to So and so andsuch and such, here's what's going down.
Then I saw three dude, Ido that hit, run off the

(31:40):
set, go back to see ifthere's a new guys. I see a
couple of dudes getting off a golfcart carrying all their stuff, and now
I talk to that. What's goingon? Well, we just had to
walk a mile and a half.We left our car because we knew we
weren't gonna make it in time.Wow, So now I run back to
the scene. That's the practic affectedeveryone else because everything was on lockdown and

(32:04):
they weren't now because of what happened. Scotti Scheffler like, it was a
problem for players, media, forit was a problem for you to just
get into the course because there's onlyone way in. There's only one way
to get in there for the playersand caddies and for everyone other than spectators,
which they were kind of locked outtoo now and it was that was
that was a different entrance. Butfor us now it was like, so

(32:27):
I see these guys get so nowI run back on the set and I'm
live on sports and again, justsaw three players get off a golf cart.
They walked a mile and a half, to the front entrance. A
cart had to be sent down forthem. Here's what they said happened for
them. And now my phone's blownup and it's other players. Hey,
we're staying at a house right aroundthe corner that's only two miles away.

(32:47):
But if I'm teeing off at twoo'clock in the afternoon, when should I
lead? And so I'm getting textmessage from dude, calls from guys out
there. What am I? Whatshould I do? What should I tell
my caddy? And so it waslike in two and a half hours,
I think I probably did eight SportsCenter hits. And this is all when

(33:10):
like Jeff Darlington too, with theproducer A Scotti Scheffler was watching from his
jail cell was rolling out. Howcrazy was that? Like yeah, and
he's like, well, I'm watchinghim get up, and I'm on get
up, talking about like it's gonnabe a problem for Scotty if he gets

(33:30):
out, like time wise, how'sthis gonna work? How's he getting there?
And this is when the owner ofValhalla goes to pick him up.
Like this ain't just like a Rorypolice escort. It's the owner of Valhalla
going there to pick and that,well, how's he gonna get in here?
Yeah? It was that. Itwas. It was one of the

(33:51):
craziest days. And what was theicing and the cherry on top? There
were dudes, all of this goesdown. Six twenty in the morning is
when it all starts. When everythingstarts happening at six am in the more
six twenty by one forty five inthe afternoon, there were spectators in orange

(34:20):
jump suits and had T shirts withScotti's mug shots. Scotty like, I
don't know the fact that you wonown a T shirt making company and happened
to be a golf fan and happenedto just have ticnics to go to the
PGA. And the first thing youthought was like, I gotta go on

(34:42):
Google right now, bring this pictureup, a cut paste print. Here
we go, screensilk, this mophone, let's go Like I was just like
it was one of the facts.Like when they use the term life happens
fast, bruh. And they weretalking about what are you expects Scotty to
do? And I kind of Iwas trying to predict what was gonna happen.

(35:05):
I was like everything in that moment. Scotty's the greatest compartmentalizer that there
is when it comes to golf andlife, like he is really he's the
other He's the best since Tiger.To like put, here's golf and that's
just golf, and here's life andall the other compartments of life. They
have nothing to do with what I'mdoing on the golf course until when something

(35:30):
crazy happens. The adrenaline crash that'sgonna happen is a serious problem. And
that's what happened on Saturday. Plushe lost his caddy. Everyone forgets that
Ted Scott left to go to hiskids graduation, which here's the thing about
and everyone's like, how how's hegoing to do something like that? One

(35:52):
Scotty would have been adamant about Tedgoing yeah, because that's who Scotty is.
It's God and family like golf isfourth maybe right, Like that's and
that's the thing where that's where hisdad, Scott Scheffler, is most proud

(36:14):
of his son and where he getschoked up talking about it. So it's
why I love Scotty so much too. It's because Scott Seffler said, I
didn't care about raising a good golfer. That doesn't matter whether it's a great
athlete, I don't care about that. I want to raise a good human
being. I want to raise agood man. And that's the He's done.

(36:37):
Mission accomplished, bro Mission accomplished.And I say the same thing about
Ricky Fowler's mom and dad. Isay the most thing I'm proud to say
to them, And I love beingable to tell them this, and I
love being able to talk to Rickyabout this, because I mean, Ricky's
one of my boys on the tour, the nicest guy ever. He's the
same I met Ricky when I wascaddying for Omar Arrest and we're going to

(37:00):
Q School the same year Ricky wasgoing to Q School. And he's the
same down the earth dude that Imet before he was a famous Ricky Fowler,
before he blew up and became RickyFowler. He's the same down the
earth, humble guy that was atthat Q School before all the fame and

(37:22):
fortune. Which the only way thatthat happens is having a solid family base
and a solid family unit, likeand his mom and dad and his sister
are grounded good people too, andgood people create most of the time,
ninety nine percent of the time,good people create good people because they set

(37:45):
that example. And that's Scottie Scheffler, it's Ricky Fowler, it's even Jordan
Speith, you know what I'm saying, Like it's like that. So yeah,
there's a lot of dudes out ontour that are like that now,
which is why when people are like, one of the big questions I always
get all the time is like,all right, man, tell us the
truth, and you're like, that'sone of the other things you were talking

(38:10):
about social media, Like social mediadoesn't allow for that anymore because you're always
on ask like act like it jerkssometimes and see how fast you end up
on social media and how that playsout and how that ends. Like you
there's no more faking it anymore,you know. I got to how great

(38:31):
was the Jordan Speeth clip when heleapt out and he just gives a fist
pump and a thumbs up for thebogey. I was like, if that's
not the most relatable thing ever,like awesome, perfect, moving on.
I mean, it's why it's whyguys like l Hatton have exploded so much
because of that, because when youhear a guy and now the microphones are

(38:54):
left on all the time, whichanother part that cracks me up. When
a guy hits a bad shot,they leave them microphones and then they were
like, oh you hear the guylike you suck, you're the worst golfer,
and you're like holy cow, orlike, let's be honest, everybody
knows the golfers that curse out there. Everybody knows. So you're not gonna

(39:15):
tell me as a TV director orproducer that you're not like, hey,
when so and so's on the tee, let's turn the mic off just for
a second. No. No,they want those microphones on. They want
to have to have to be like, oh, we apologize for bad language

(39:36):
there. We didn't. We didn'tsee that coming. Yes you did,
stop lying, you're lying. Stop. We didn't. We didn't expect that,
Like yeah, okay, yeah,oh we didn't. We didn't see
that coming. Whatever. Now wemight not have seen Zach Johnson turning around
at twelve at the Masters and fbombing everybody because I didn't see that.

(40:01):
Yeah, I didn't see that comingbecause no crowd can get there, so
you could be over on number twelve, you could be just f bomb and
there you be pointing people out youright there in the red shirt. Hey,
you can kiss my but you forgetthat the microphones are right there.
That's the part that is forgotten.Yeah. Yeah, Well Daniel is gonna

(40:22):
ask the closing question. But Igot to ask you this question because we
talked about it. We got totalk a little birds. We got what
do you see this year? Doyou see jailing hurts progressing? Do you
see us getting back? This isso you know what as a Birds fan,
we are all in this place rightshowing how loyal of the Birds fan.

(40:44):
And he's wearing Eagles green T shirt. Yeah, and this was designed
by Doug Peterson, which is whythere's a part of me I got a
little bit of love for Jacksonville.Like if I'm gonna have an AFC team
and I live close Tolle, youknow what I'm saying, Like P's right
down there's our neighbor. Don't teaseme, thret me with a good son.

(41:06):
Listen, you want to hear something. Here's something crazy like as you're
holding little Vienna. So you knowwhat my job was before I did stand
up comedy too. I was misterMike and used to teach pre K Like
when me and Chris Couch won theTour championship at the Nationwide Tour event.
My reward that night was to actuallybabysit Chris Couch and Bo Van Pelts toddlers.

(41:31):
I didn't get to go caddy parties. Nothing I was ordering. We
had pizza and I we had crayonsand destroyed my hotel room legs where the
next day bo Van Pelt's daughter waslike, Daddy, when do I get
to hang out with mister Mike again? I want him to come watch me?

(41:52):
Right his son Christian, Yeah,they called me I was uncle Mike.
So that was kind of awesome tobe able to do so the Birds.
That was previous life, previous job. So there's the problem with the
Birds. For us as Eagles fans. We got a lot of hope and
high expectations right where we know,if we're being completely honest, we understand

(42:15):
last year was all smoking mirrors,right, all smoking mirrors. The one
thing that we got back this yearthat we didn't have last year, one
thing that every team, every business, every office, you know what you
need if you really want to bethe best, you better have an and

(42:37):
we didn't have that last year.Everybody wanted to be the nice guy.
It's the problem with the PGA tourright now too. And they know everybody
who all the not bad guys guysare the people that were Yeah, there
were the people that were made outto be the jerks. They were the
people that everybody was like, Ifreaking hate that dude and I root against
them and stuff like that. Butyou would watch him on TV because you

(43:00):
rooted against him so hard. Thatwas like, when that dude was on
TV, You're like, man,put the TV on because I want to
go and I want to be ableto tweet and email. I can't dare
you put that dude on? Butnow if you don't have that, you're
like, hey, man, you'regonna turn that on? You want to
watch all these vanilla bean dudes andbe like, nah, I'm good.
I don't need to see that.And that was the Eagles because you know

(43:22):
where our our ass went. Hewent to Detroit. Chauncey Gardner went to
Detroit. Well guess who's back,that's right. You know why, you
know why I like a dude likethat because nobody wants to be held accountable
by that dude, Because that's thedude that will jump in your face and
be like, we'll figure this outin the park. Jimmy Butler in the

(43:45):
NBA. You just like I gotto do my job because I because this.
I don't want to fight him,because like this dude not afraid to
throw hand. You need someone likethat who everyone can rally around and be
like, oh, that dude inthat position, because that position, he's
gonna hold everybody accountable, Like I'mgonna take the hit for everybody, for

(44:08):
all of y'all better act right,all of y'all better act right right,
Like we that's our guy. Weneed that on the team. And now
we got it back again. Andoh yeah, just showed up. Way
to go, don't you. Imean, give me that dude with a

(44:30):
chip on you know what. Good, give me that dude with a chip
on his shoulder. He's gonna gethurt. We'll see, and we have
some adults in the room. Coordinator. I think we're having some experiences.
The only the only thing I thinkwe should be nervous about. And this
is it because everyone's gonna put somuch pressure on, right, but no

(44:52):
one's gonna be like, hey,how many coordinators have we had in the
last three year three, three differentdefensive end Vincent, three different ones in
the same way. So you're gonnablame one dude and be like, well
it's his fault. Well, holdup, man, does it take a
little while for everyone to get onthe same page now. I love the

(45:13):
fact that we're seeing the Eagles nowdoing so many activities together, right,
because that you need off the andso many How many guys are playing golf,
how many guys are at top golfhaving a good time, or going
bowling having a good time. Ilove the fact that we're doing that.
I want to see Jalen do moreof that too on his own. I
want Jalen and the wide receivers andthe tight end bro. I want to

(45:37):
see some Instagram stuff that gets accidentallyleaked of y'all on boats together with the
team, not by not Like everythingthat this dude is doing is awesome and
fantastic, but I also I needto see you doing some stuff on your

(45:57):
own that accidentally gets leaked out likethat nobody was supposed to see. You
know what I mean, y'all tillingin the Caribbean on a boat together.
No boat pictures, giants, noboat pictures. Michael do that. That's
different. Same thing, Like Idon't need dudes having fun with fireworks either.
That seems to be a Giants problemas well, you know what I

(46:19):
mean, left the firewers pros.You know what I'm saying. But that's
I I like the team that wehave right now. I really like the
team that we have, and Ireally think that there's an opportunity for this
team, especially with like what wewere able to do in the draft on
them first two draft things broh like. So our team has given us a

(46:45):
lot of hope, but that's alsousually the team that breaks our heart the
hardest. So it's like I'm goinginto this as an Eagles fan with like
hopeful pessimism because that's what we're thebest. That where people were like,
yo, you Eagle fans are theworst. No, we're not. But
nobody loves the Eagles harder and nobodyhates the Eagles harder. It's why we

(47:09):
have a judge and a like ajail cell under the link. Come to
our come to our place wearing anopponent's jersey, and then celebrate when you
leave and see what happens. I'llnever forget going to a coach game,
and we beat the Colts on aSunday night game, and when I left

(47:29):
wearing my ego stuff, all theCoats fans were like, hey, that
was a great game. I reallyout And I'm looking at him saying like
you understand that this is not howthis will go down? And right,
you understand, like this is nothow this like. We're not like that.
We're not gonna be like hey andit really got you lucked out that
time. No, we'll have togo to a game. We'll have to

(47:50):
go to a game together this year. Oh yeah together. Last time we
were supposed to go. I couldn'tbelieve give Michael might tickets. He ends
up next to Meek Mel. I'mlike sorry, not sorry, I was
dying inside. I wasn't Yeah,pictures are Meek. I'm like, right,
So the interception happens and they comeright over to Meek and give Meek

(48:15):
and his son the football, andall of my friends are texting me the
picture of me next to Meek,like job, right, you know that's
supposed to be me, Mike andMeek. Well, let's stay in Philly
then real quick, Dan, yep, we had we had Josh Sounders,
director Grounds at Lancaster Country Club onlast week is our guest, so we

(48:37):
ask everyone this question. It getspeople in trouble, It gets us in
trouble. You know, people lovetalking about what's Philly what's not? But
Daniell go ahead hit him with it. Yeah, we gotta know Philly Bays
show Philly Crewe here today. Whatis your favorite Philadelphia golf course? Pick
one? Two, We'll give itto one. So Lancaster doesn't count because

(49:00):
it's not a Philly course. Yeah, it's in the gap gap Pennsylvania County.
I know. Yeah county is notLancaster County. Off Association of Philadelia.
You're gonna make people happy saying Ibet it does. But no,

(49:20):
you're just trying to say that becauseyou want to include Lancaster Country will have
about Pine Valley. It's in NewJersey, but it's a Philly Pine Valley
is not in Philly. It's nota Philadelphia course. And Pine Valley's in
the hood. Is Villanova Philadelphia Valleysin the hood. There's nothing like seeing
Pine People going to Pine Valley forthe first time. I would love to
creek, that's all. We loveto set up the camera out by that

(49:42):
by that liked hood amusement that lookslike it is. No one's ever visited
to make sure it's all of thisstuff under code. Have a camera and
everyone the Pine Valley yeah check yenavigation my my ways actually a must have

(50:05):
ate a gummy before. This isnot where we're supposed to be, if
you're so my There's two courses thatare absolute must plays in Philly and it's
Marion and Ironomy. This is Maryonthere's Marion, Like I mean, I

(50:25):
just played Marion for the Eagles forautism. It's the third time that I've
played it, and every so Iplayed it Monday after the US Open.
Was there Monday after justin Rose oneand then I've played it twice now in
the Eagles conditions. I shot MarfactNewgan kissed my you know, and that's

(50:49):
the so Marion. I've played alot of US Open courses. I've been
very lucky that I've been fortunate enoughto play a lot of US Open courses
money day after the US Open.I've been very lucky. Marion and Oakmont
are the two hardest courses I've everplayed in my life on a Monday after
a US Open. And it's noteven close. It's not even yes,

(51:15):
yes it was it the both butboth of them are like Marion, if
you miss a fairway after the USOpen, you're not getting out without your
You're chopping out a wedge period.And that Ernie Els when I told him
I had one, this one ofthis lottery and I was getting to play,
he goes guzzy. When you getin that raugh. They don't that

(51:37):
I had been a hit off,none of that out of there. You'll
take wedge and you just get itout, don't try. And the first
hole, I've missed the fairway andI'm in the rough and I'm like,
because we didn't start on one centerthat well, I didn't start on one.
No, we're by the media center, so we were on the back
like by thirteen or that's something crazy, And I was like, that ain't

(52:00):
sitting there bad. I get seveniron on this and as soon as I
took the club back and came downthe ruff was like, bitch, come
here, I'll take it. I'lltake that and your ball's going three feet
and the rough number one and thenironom Ink is one of those ironomics,

(52:22):
one of those courses that it's suchan old school golf course. But you
hear the name and if you've neverplayed it, you're like, nah,
I know they played like the BMWthere one time. And then you play
it and you're like, holy crap, this is a really good, good
golf course and it's all that youwant. Like it's another one where you're
like, hey, you want toplay the tips. No, let's not.

(52:45):
Let's play it forward. You cango all the way back there.
You're like, hey, this isnot like what do you do? You
want to how do you how doyou define your day? Like somebodys are
like, hey man, how'd youshoot? Well, let's just say it
was only twenty eight cents per shot? Be like, but that's a very

(53:08):
expensive club. Yeah, exactly,So if it was twenty eight cents of
shot, tells you how I did. Hopefully we'll get a chance to play
together. Hopefully we'll go to agame together. If you're coming to friend,
Yeah, we'll get the band togetherfor NEPA. We will, we
will, we will have some fun. But we appreciate your time. This

(53:29):
is it's great to finally have youon. Till Soba, we said,
what's up? Whatever? Now he'snot until I get two more appearances.
Right, we have you on togethertoo. You know, I'm straight up
no, I don't want him onbecause me and Hill always argue about the
Mets and the Patriots. Thank you. You'll meet Uncle Mike and uh,

(53:52):
I can't wait. All right,let's take a quick break and we will
be right back with more. Allright, welcome back to Swing It and
Ding It. Great to have MichaelCollins on. Man, he is funny
and cool. We gotta we gottabook like a long series podcast and just
like talk about everything. Yeah atESPN, Caddy on both X and Instagram.

(54:13):
He's a great follower too. Yeah. Danielle, welcome back. We
did not think you were going tobe on this week. Incredible to have
you on here. Like, whenare you're coming? I'm like, she's
a week old. We got toteach her about work ethic. You know,
she's sleeping on the job though,so not not great already. Wow,
congratulations to you and brand. It'samazing, Thank you. I can't
wait to meet her. Cannot waitto meet her. Uh. We we

(54:36):
were just talking in a break talkingabout the golf outing because it's it's under
two weeks now, hair, itis Uh I'm finalizing getting all the names
and everything where you know, Tito'sis back. That's a big one.
We have the bar, the barset up. That was the number one
asked question out by the tenth tright, wasn't it over there? Yeah?
Yeah, And we have some newsponsors this year. Oh look at
this. Here we goes to therest of the fantasy. Congratulations, dad,

(54:59):
you believe you're somebody's dad? Yeah, I have the headphones on.
Sorry, can't hear you? Canyou believe that you're someone sad? No,
don't let anybody do that these days. He's still in training Robs the
dog instead of the baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
And we have some new sponsors.We're gonna you know, we like to

(55:22):
have some fun out there, right. We have Iconic Candy will present the
Iconic Trip giveaway to cost of theCampo. So the the finalist, the
top five fours can break into two'sand do the chipp and butt over eighteen.
How about Gearhard's appliants. We're gonnahave a dryer out there somewhere,
and so yeah, we're gonna bechipping into the dryer like Rory did when
he was like five years old.On that television show. Yeah, yeah,

(55:44):
for for an incredible prize. Somuch going on. Santa Familia Tequila
is going to be out there withwith our cigar roller. Love that guy.
He was buddy Riff. Well that'sfact money, that's our buddy.
Andrew factor provides that for us,you know. And of course read his
water ice who will be there.We always like to give the last place

(56:05):
team. We called him the coldestforsome. They get read his gift cards.
This way they get something to youknow. So it's gonna be a
bleasly looking forward to it. Ijust can't take any more players in it.
I have to shut it down.I keep having a show. I
show up. Can I have you'reautomatically? Yeah, you're automatically. I'll
just ride around with you. Yeah. How you're you're you're You're heading to

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the tee after this. How's thegolf game going? Let's well, still
progressing properly. I took a tooka speed bump last Saturday. That has
worst round of the of the yearso far. So but I'm not,
uh changing course, I'm sticking withwhat I'm doing. Uh, it was
just a bad day. I wasdehydrated, and a lot of other things.
But we're back at it today atone point thirty. Love it,

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love it. Yeah, I've hadHe's not even going to have some range
time. He's gonna go there andhead street to the first tea I know,
which is not usually what I do. But that's what will change.
It works. Yea, yeah,maybe that's the new thing. Yeah,
I've had three good, three ofmy best rounds in a row. Nice,
Just trying to work on a littlepre shot routine, focusing on a

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target, making smarter decisions. Igot a new putter, you know,
all the all the little things arestarting to work. I actually it's a
Cobra, but it has like thebig superstroke grip on it. Yeah,
and I have really long arms,so it's a short putter. It's you
know, but it's it's a blade. I went back to the blade.
I felt like I couldn't feel it. I had the bigger Betton already won

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and I just had no feel tomy putts. So yeah, yeah,
uh John Dear Classic Harry an iconic, iconic tournament field of one hundred and
fifty only two weeks from the Open, obviously have the big event in Scotland
next week too, so a lotof guys are skipping this. Sunjay is
your top official player at twenty nineand the favorite. Yeah, two time

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winner Jordan's Speith is here. Howabout you have that Neil Shipley who's had
a T twenty six in the USOpen, and he was right up there
in the Rocket Mortgage too, soit's great good to see him. But
let's talk about the course of coursewith TPC Deer Run. Yeah, John
Deerclassic TPC Deer Run. D A. Weibering designed this. He's a former
PGA Tour player back in two thousand. You got to shoot twenty under or

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better to have a chance to winit. I mean, this is a
birdie fest. They got par seventyone under seventy three hundred yards. The
greens are kind of good size,fifty five hundred square feet average green.
They got three par fives, fourpar threes, and eleven par fours and
three of them are under four hundredyards and one that's reachable off the tee

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and that's the fourteenth poles, adrivable par four three hundred and sixty one
yards, a definite birdie hole,a lot of risk reward you miss right,
you're in the Valley of sin andif you miss over the green,
you gotta chip back up a pitchback up a sixty foot bluff. The
fifteenth poles a par four, oneof the toughest on the golf course,

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actually second toughest actually on the backnine, and long, tight driving hole
with an approach to a long,narrow green. The sixteenth as you can
see part of it behind me,that's sort of the signature hole to a
par three along the river, theRock River, and it's only one hundred
and sixty five yards, not long, but it can be really tricky.
Forty foot down a deep ravine inthe front and two deep bunkers left and

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one right. The seventeenth holes apar five, reachable in two for much
of the field of five hundred andsixty eight yards requires a long, well
positioned t shot. You're gonna needwell positioned to find an elevated green with
this huge bunker right in the frontthat sort of divides the green into two
distinct areas. The eighteenth hole kindof an iconic hole when it comes to

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this golf course, par four fourto seventy six. It's called Conquistador,
which is after one of the horsesthat was raised on this property which used
to be a horse farm way wayback in the day. Challenging t shot
must avoid the fairway bunker on theleft and the big tall tree on the
right, right at the dog leg, and then you got an approach to
a narrow green with you got waterleft and you got bunkers right. And

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you'll never forget the Jordan speed bunkershot way back in twenty thirteen that went
on to he had to hit thatto force a playoff, and then he
went on to win the playoff forhis first PGA Tour win. And like
you said, he's won there twice. He won there a few years after
that. So it's a really coolgolfers. Looks like a lot of fun
to play, sort of like theone up in River Highlands in Connecticut.

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A lot of birdies, So youlike watching these guys, you know,
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one and done. He's one herea few years ago. He's a great
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PGA tour, but at this placeespecially you got to drain a lot of
putts plus three thirty in a topten. He's plus, like you said,
plus three thousand to win. I'mtaking him at one and done.
I also like Danny McCarthy talk aboutputters plus two sixty in a top ten.
This would be a sneaky good placefor him to get that first win
you're talking about. Davis Thompson isa young guy that's playing out really good

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golf. Plus one twenty five anda top twenty. Nick Dunlop, another
young guy's already got a win,turned pro. He's starting to play much
better now after a little bump.Plus one ninety in a top twenty.
And I'm taking Shamous power in amatchup at minus one thirty over Bo Hostler.
All right, we talked to you, talked about Sepstraka one at uh
j T Posten's one here Lucas Glover. Eleven of the fourteen winners played in

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this event the prior year and thepast seven all played the week prior.
I can't bet Zach Johnson, eventhough he's had a T five. He's
really good better I I just can'tbet him. I do like Lucas Glover,
he's got a win. He's gota a T six last year at
forty five hundred, pretty good numberon him. How about Denny McCarthy,
he's got a couple of T sixeshere at twenty two hundred, Eric Cole

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at five thousand. Uh and yeah, son, Jay's at the top of
the board. But uh, youknow, but he's played well. He's
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Go check those guys out. Anduh, that's it, Harry. You
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to keep you any longer. Yeah, we've got a rock and roll let's
go, let's get it and we'llbe back next week. Yeah, but
listen, swing it and ding it.