Swing It & Ding It: Episode 202

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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(00:54):
we take it back as we do. We love Philly
golf here. And when we saw Brendan Quinn's art in
The Athletic, who's the senior enterprise writer for The Athletic,
can can a reimagine Cobbs Creek fulfill its promise. Public
goth is hoping. So welcome in Brendan Quinn. How's it
going great?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Thanks for having me, I was. I was thrilled to
see the the invite pop up, you know, since leaving
home and kind of being in like the national golf scene.
I just you know, I always talk about, Uh, everyone
knows I'm from Philly. The accent is a is a
dead giveaway. But you know, then the question always comes, oh,
what's your favorite Marion ironomic Philly CC, Like, I don't know,

(01:38):
I've never stepped foot on any.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Of those, but do you know Cobbs Creek.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
So it was it was fun as hell to get
to do this project and now I'm I'm really happy
to be able to talk to you guys about it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's awesome. Well, we're obviously going to dive in heavy
on the Cobbs Creek side, But one of the terms
we use on this show is golf journey, right, and
everyone has their own cop journey, and to talk about yours,
how you got started from the area, your interesting golf
and why you kind of really focused well especially with
this piece, but but where your love for the game
obviously is there and how that starts.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, very much a product of the generation.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I was in eighth grade and ninety seven and and
saw Tiger, you know, win at Augusta and ran out
in the backyard and was had my brother's clubs and
he's a lefty, but I was you know, would swing
him around and all that. And and I had like
maybe you know, been to a driving range and stuff
like that a few times before that, or maybe played
around here or there.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
But I think that's when.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I really kind of started to just be more interested
in it and watch it and play more. And and
that led me to working. And if anyone's familiar with Cobbs,
you're probably familiar with the very old driving range on
City Avenue that was then called the City av Sports Center.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
And I got a job there.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh and you know, I worked there and it was
owned by Philly Golf or Nose of who remember that.
And you could play any of the properties if you
worked at one of the other properties, So that means
I could play cobs for free. So I just spent
every day there, you know, from get get get there
in the morning, play thirty six, go over to the

(03:21):
Dragon range where you would sneak through the fence on
eight fairway and get some get some water ice and
then go back to Cobbs and play the rest of
the back.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Nine and blah blah blah, and that was it.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know, That's that's kind of how I was introduced
to the to the game, and I just I loved it.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
I was never particularly good.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I went to Saint Joe's Prep and was good enough
to make the team there or anything like that, but
it was liked it. And then always kind of had
a set of clubs, you know, with me. And then
when I kind of went chasing sports writing and spent
a few years in Tennessee and then came up to
Michigan and been living in Michigan, golf really turned into
kind of a vehicle to be able to Anyone who's
ever left home knows how weird it is to make

(04:02):
friends as an adult. Right Like in college, you're just
putting a dorm, so you just have to meet people.
Then when you're like thirty, opening up a suitcase in
a new city and you're like, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Anybody, So.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm normal. Normal talks to me exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Playing golf, You guys, want to do that, and then
it's like do we exchange numbers?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't know how does this work?

Speaker 4 (04:26):
So yeah, that was that was it. And then you know,
the Athletic was.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Really interested in kind of broadening my role about twenty
eighteen or so, and and the conversation about golf came up.
And you know, I'd always enjoyed golf writing, just as
you know old s I stories and things like that,
and that kind of led to covering professional golf and
then golf at large, and now I've been doing it

(04:53):
for whatever five six years. So it's yeah, great journey,
great word. But it is a sport that can kind
of take you interesting places and introduce you to so
many interesting people.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yeah, Brennan really can. And with that, like what makes
a compelling golf story? And like how do you approach
like your storyteller, your article writing, Like how do you
decide like, hey, this is worthy of you know, me
chasing and writing.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
About Yeah, I think it's like any other story.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
You know, tension, tension and.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Relatable human natures are those things that you just kind
of cling to.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
The stories I've written this.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Year were of Lily Avou, you know, the number two
ranked woman in the world and her family escaping Vietnam
in nineteen eighty two to start a new life, and
her mother was a seven year.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Old you're no twelve year old. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Don't ask me to recount the details. It was a
very long story, but Lily's mother was it's on the
boat that her father built to help her family escape.
And you know, the story has very little to do
about golf, but it has everything to.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Do about.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Kind of human drive and kind of the power of
pushing forward.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
So, uh, those are the same things.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's like any sports writing, right that the game is
the framework, and then you're just kind of right about
the people in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Well, Brenda, I got to give you props man on
this piece. I love the way you tied in, you know,
the juxtaposition of marrying golf club and you know old school,
you know, private golf to the cut, you know, taking
the meandering Cobbs Creek down to where Cobbs Creek is
and the public story. It was brilliant. Uh, But I
gotta I gotta ask you because you know, we've been
talking about this project for a couple of years now.

(06:45):
In fact, We had Chris Lang on the podcast a
few years ago when this was first becoming public, and
you know, now it's looking like it's a it's a reality,
and you you detail the you know, the increase and
cost and and where they are. But you've actually been
on the ground. What is what can you report from
actually you know, being there on property as to how
things are coming along.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I would say, first of all, you know, outside of
golf and outside of everything else, you're you're just blown
away by the power of mother nature and just how
the lane the land is reclaimed. If you were out there,
if you're in the middle like back for anyone who
knows the old course kind of up where there's middle

(07:26):
holes around what would be the fence line, so kind
of in from City Avenue, those middle holes like the
old six hundred yard Park five, those those the elevated
areas kind of around like twelve Green.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I think you know, when.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
You're out there, if somebody did not tell you there
was a golf course there, you would not know it.
So that is the state of the property right now.
The difference though, is also you can see across the land.
I mean, the tree removal is its own story. And
and you know, obviously a hot button issue for a
lot of lot of folks, but it is, it's very

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fascinating and kind of see the land from the perspective
up there of what it what it was before that
that tree growth kind of took over. And that's a
thing that's happened at so many properties. You know, I
think you guys were talking about Uh I heard, I
heard you guys mentioned Oakmont earlier. You know, back in
the day Oakmont, you couldn't see anything. It was everything

(08:25):
was tree lined and it was just you know, these
old massive trees. And when they did the redesign there,
the renovation, I should say, they cleared it. You can
now see clear across the entire property, like you can
see across the highway forgotten.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Right, Uh, when you're at Cobbs though, Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
If you squint, you can see it.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And if you're if you're those folks who played you know,
one hundred rounds there in your life, and you and
you can start to remember what it was. And then
you look at the redesign.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And realize, you know that that the.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Original design kind of got you know, lost in the
sauce a little bit between changes in the land. And
what happened in nineteen fifty five when the army came
in and decided where else would you build a missile
silo other than the Thirteenth, Right, Yeah, they weren't building
that at Marriot tell you that much. It wasn't that
we were not installing that at Huntingdon Valley.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
That was not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
But yeah, the thirteenth the cops, you know, whatever city property.
You know, it's basically a park, so you know, they
obviously re routed, and they, to their credit back then,
actually saved a lot of the original greens.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
But yeah, now you.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Can see it.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I remember I was driving around with Enrique Hervada
and we get to where the first deviation of what
I remember the design to be, and and you realize
that I think it's five or six.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I think six.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
It took a hard right and went up the hill
and was it should have been just a bear of
an uphill par four. And now that those trees aren't
there and you can actually see what it was, you
kind of get like goosebumps. You're like, oh my god,
Like right, it's this like kind of skeleton key that
opens all the doors where you realize, oh wait, now
the course was supposed to go there, and then it

(10:21):
went back all.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
The way around, and you're like.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh, you know, the original genius that's that's there is
kind of mind bending, so you can see it. But
they got a long, long way and you know, luckily
we're all involved. It helps when Gil Hanson Jim Wagner
just happened to be kind of down the road hanging
out and ready to go and not to go not

(10:44):
the DVA too far.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
But one of the things that really blew.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Me away in the in the reporting process was I
remember when those greens were like rebuilt around like thirteen
or so, there was a really terrible storm that like
washed away in three Green and I never knew that,
like a young, pretty much unknown Gil hands went and
rebuilt those greens for free, for.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Free, yeah, and you're like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
You know, and then went out and redid Oakland Hills
and Marion and then Shinnecock and blah blah blah blah
and blah blah blah blah. But like back in the day,
right like he was just out there on his own
doing it for kind of the love of the place.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know, it's so interesting because I think a lot
of people that are new to golf kind of heard
about Cops Creek but maybe have not played it right,
don't really know much about it. I grew up in
southwest Philly, so you know, my my older brother and
and friends would would play it. So I kind of
played it a couple of times as a kid, but
but not much. But it's it's to me, it's like

(11:45):
when when you hear the story, it's it's either setbacks,
like you hear like, oh, this isn't happening. Now were
these huge stories with Tiger Woods, with Jordan Spieth. There's
this crazy like bounce back and forth in the city
of like is this ever gonna happen? Then hear these
great things about these people to get involved. Harry mentioned
the interview we did that's still our most viewed video

(12:05):
that we've ever done. That's how much like people in
the city care about this. But how do you when
you were reporting this right, like, how do you feel
like they're balancing a true timeline of when people are
actually going to be able to experience this with and
knowing there's going to be further setbacks, But then also
balancing the celebrity side of Like, people are so interested
in this because of the names that are involved in it.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Right now, Yeah, I mean the kind of the serendipity
of being able to have a TGR learning lab and
something like the Tiger Woods Foundation involved in a product
and a project is like, it's amazing how kind of
red tape and certain things disappear when you know, you
get Tiger Woods and the idea of a tg the

(12:48):
only the second one in the country being in the
Cobbs Creek neighborhood. Right, But we're talking about Cobbs Creek,
the golf course. Cobbs Creek is a neighborhood in the
city of Philadelphia, right that has actual people who live
in it that you know should have as much benefit
out of this as the guy who drives in to

(13:10):
play the course, whether that person's driving from Havertown or
Hershey or Pittsburgh, right, Like, all those people are going
to get to use the course, but that there are
people who are gonna be driving by it to work
every day because they live there, and to have that
learning lab it is it fundamentally changes what the place is.

(13:31):
It's not a golf course and it's really interesting that
they're referring to it as the Cops Creek golf Course
and campus.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I thought that was the thing that kind of really
summed up trying to do it differently. And I think
the end game of actually having right the eighteen hole
restoration plus a.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
New nine hole course.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
And maybe the even more distant idea of does Philly
become a PGA tour stop again when you get Tiger
Woods and in the spring, if all goes as planned,
you know, I think everyone who understands construction, you hope
for a decent winter. The idea of this place opening
in the spring and actual Tiger Woods walking onto the

(14:20):
property and all the cameras are there and golf channels
there and all this and it's we're at Cobbs Creek. Well, suddenly,
you know whatever, the last fifty million, right, it started
as a twenty million project, then it went to seventy million.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Now it's at one hundred and fifty million, and one
hundred's been raised. They're fifty shy.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
There's a lot of heavy hitters who have raised a
lot of money are the ones kind of making that push.
That push gets a lot easier when it's here's a building,
and here's the green that was built, and here's the
driving range is being built. And that is Tiger Woods
standing right there right like that's just how.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
These the giant scissors. That's it right right right?

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, you know, it's just to get that. It's just massive.
It's massive.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's it's a big credit to everyone involved.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
You lately mentioned the possibility of Philly becoming a tour
stop again, and we know that the truest championship will
be at Philly Cricket. Will you be coming out to
cover that talk about how that will shape up and
how that might help influence bringing more tour stops back.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I mean, what a marketing opportunity for the project that
cops to to be able to say to everyone on
the Tuesday of that PGA tour week, Hey, yeah, we're
glad you're here in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
You go check out what's happening.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Over Yeah, right, come play the short course, right, come
see the driving range that is so uniquely its own.
I live in Detroit. I'm based in Detroit, a little
section called Ferndale, and I am two miles from Detroit
Golf Club. Okay, one of the only city courses or

(16:06):
courses in a city. Acould say it is not a
city course.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I try to play it. I'm not a member.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I didn't get into that was pre COVID prices. Man,
those were the those were the times were actually get
in these places. But Boom is a killer. That's all right.
But it's a great court. But more importantly, right, it's
in the city, and and it is the PGA Tour,
and the PGA Tour being a proxy for the sport
of golf being able to be into it in a

(16:32):
city and and and serve a different population of people
who like the game, and and and should have access
to a PGA Tour event.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
It all, everything doesn't.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Have to be in the outskirts of you know, private
clubs for this city. You know, I put in air
quotes for those not watching. It's it's it's city proper
and and it can have a great benefit. You know,
they what Rocket Mortgage and the Tour have done in
terms of raising a lot of money to provide internet

(17:11):
access in the city of Detroit.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Like these things do happen, and I.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Know, like it's really hard. It's skepticism is obvious and abundant,
and it should be. But like there are a lot
of dollars raised.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
You can pick it apart, but.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
It does actually happen and it can be a benefit.
So if that can happen in Philly, if that can
happen in West Philadelphia, that that there can be money
being brought in to the area and that that hopefully
serves a better good and that everyone's doing it on
the up.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
You know, that's great, that's great, and I think that's
what you hope for.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Is the the fifty million the final hurdle or are
there even more permits and things that need to be obtained?
Because I love how you detailed all that, you know,
the red tape and permits required in a city like Philadelphia,
and then you're also looking at Montgomery and Delaware County too,
which are you know involved? And this guy Don Dissinger
ends up being a hero because he knows how to

(18:11):
navigate all this stuff. I mean, that was a name
that I didn't know about and brought for you know,
he's one of the guys that's really heavily responsible and
making this thing happen.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, Don's like a force of nature, man, you know,
a guy who had his hands on the construction of
both Citizens Bank Park and MetLife Stadium. Who when he
told me that the permitting for those two stadiums were
fewer permits than what it's taken to try to get

(18:42):
Cobbs Creek.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
It's amazing off the ground and.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Running is just mine bending in.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
But then when you think about it, like, yeah, you know,
it's it's a three hundred summat acre property. It's it's
nine I forget how many miles, and so I don't
I don't want to state it incorrectly, but it's you know,
how many ever miles of of creek bed that needs

(19:06):
to be rebuilt and repaired.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
It's the installation.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Of acres upon acres of wetlands that are both you know,
for for flood protection and all these like it's a lot,
and like Delaware County didn't even realize, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Upper Derby didn't even realize that some of the cops
Greek property went into Upper Derby.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So it's like suddenly that became like an eleventh hour, Okay,
I guess we have to go talk to Upper Derby
and now that's even more permit.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
So but the last I spoke, this was funny.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
This was a very Philadelphia moment when the UH I
was with Enrique Pravada and we had just done the
site visit and he goes, you gotta meet Don, Let's
see if we can do breakfast. And he gets down
on the phone, they chat and he goes, can you
do breakfast at Lantark tomorrow? Now, if anyone had been

(19:58):
visiting from or wasn't familiar with the area, they would
have assumed, Oh, that'd be nice to go have breakfast
at land our country club. Right, No, no, no, it
was it was it was the big l It was
on city that we had a delightful time.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
But yeah, you know, we had like a two hour breakfast.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
And and Don between his resume and and just his
his kind of force of personality and his ideals and
why he is getting involved in this, and it's it's
it's for inclusion, you know. And I believe that it's
a guy who should be retired, got a lot of money,
doesn't need to be doing this. You just be playing
at Mary and remember over there most of them are

(20:41):
so yeah. I mean, Don, I think has kind of
been one of those you bring in the big reliever,
you know.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
It's like being in the playoffs and having that guy who's.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You can bring in late the game is going to
get it, get it across the finish line.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I think that is kind of what what it was
and bringing him in.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So the last I heard it's that they don't foresee
any more hiccups with the permitting that that that they're
going to finish the hurdles. But you know, we've been
saying that for a long time. That was part of
the story that, like, you know, us talking here, we
heard this chatter ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Oh, COB's gonna get redone. Okay, okay, okay, okay, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mean I remember sitting over beers at Burk's and
the old Oakmont Pub, John Henryson are more having these
conversations with the same group of guys of like, yo,
do you hear about you see.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
What was in the Inquirer about about Cob. Yeah, it's
the raised it.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Right, they raised fifty million dollars. It's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah, Like I do think it's gonna happen. I think
there were a lot of the aspiration of the course.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Actually getting done by twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I don't see that happening.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I think it will be twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Right in terms of readiness to be played, Like could
there be periods of twenty six where there are portions ready,
there are site visits, there are things happening, Yeah, I
think I think so.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
But you know in terms of being like competition ready
per se.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, that's and that's the eighteen hole golf course proper, right.
There's going to be phases with like you said, the
learning center, the short course, the driving range. Well that's
kind of kind of phase in before that, and then
the true golf course is going to be the last
thing it gets completed, like the short course.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Which is.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
It's basically in if anyone remembers where the old driving
range was, not the one on City Avenue, but like
if you went to the clubhouse at Cops Landsdown all right,
So if you were at the old clubhouse at Cops,
then you cross the Landsdown ad there was like a
parking lot over there, and then there was kind of
like a rinky dink driving range and like some of

(22:53):
the back nine of Carra Kong, it's like back there, right,
So that is where the learning center is. Like that
there are you can look up and you see it,
which I really barely believed.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
With my own eyes perfectly, honestly.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
But if you look up, it is there, and there
are cranes, and there are things, and there are you know,
they are they are building greens right now of that
short course.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
That is going to be sweet.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's gonna be you know, there are a bunch of
eighty ninety yard holes. I hope they put up a
few short trees because if you thin one man, someone's
gonna get it. On Landsdande like that. That's going to
be open in the spring and and the learning center
is gonna be ready to go. And from every window

(23:41):
of the learning center you're going to see parts of
a golf course, whether it's the short course or whether
it's it's the main course in a couple of years.
And then that driving range is going to go up.
And once that driving range goes up, you know, driving.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Ranges they make money, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think that is financially going to be self sustainable
very quickly, and we'll allow them, I think to to
you know, just start pursuing everything else. But once you
have something that's actually you know, butter and some bread,
that that that certainly helps.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that's not to be confused with
Club Pro Guys Learning Center. This is very.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Different, slightly very different.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
The turf's a little different. Yeah, oh goodness.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Do you want to wrap with?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So I gotta ask you this. We
ask every guest that comes on. We already talked about,
you know, two Philly courses. But if you got to
choose to play one Philly course tomorrow, what would it be?

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Does Pine Valley County?

Speaker 5 (24:45):
We Clai brad facts and gave us the right way,
that is a Philly Yeah, as a Philly course.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
To me, I don't think it's.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
A Philly course first, okay, but so I mean obviously
Pine Valley just because it's so hard to get on.
But for me personally, like I'd probably say Marion because
I've always said the only time I've been on the
property was for the first round of the thirteen US
Open as a you know, attendee.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
I flew flew back for it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was living in in Knoxville at the time, went
with my cousins, the Hobins. It was the Quinns and
the Hobins out there having the time that was it
was the morning there was the rain delight right, Oh
my god. It just ended up being quite the bender.
But that point being, I've driven by that course one
hundred thousand times. I'm not even exaggerating.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
You know. I grew up in Sat.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Matthias Parish on Brnmar Avenue, right across the street from
the school, and then when my folks sold that house,
they moved to Havertown. So you know, it's just like
that whole stripe. I've just driven past it so many times,
and I just I just I have it in my
eyes right now. They like just kind of be the course.
You're like, oh man, that looks nice, you know, man,

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look at those.

Speaker 6 (26:05):
You're not alone.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
That's a second consecutive week. Somebody's gave the red wicker
basket a nod.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, you know, between the history of it and like,
because the thing is like, I don't know what Pine
Valley looks like, you know what I mean, describe?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I really don't. I don't know because we don't see
it on TV. We don't.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
It doesn't have this iconic you know, there's no picture
of Ben Hogan hitting a one iron at Pine Valley.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's it's at Mary.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
So yeah, it's it's kind of one of those those
just like mythical uh places to me that you know,
I'm sure it will happen one day, but for that,
for now, that's it takes the cake there.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, since you said Pine Valley's not a Philly course,
and I know you cover college basketball too, I won't
ask you if Villanova is a Philly school, So I
will skip that one when I do.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Fifteen years ago, back when I was like here, I
guess twenty years ago, I would have said nobody, you
know I as a as a transplant, as a mature
or you know Villanova is a city school.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, okay, well we have to ask him. I mean,
who would you recommend we reach out to next as
a guest?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Oh boy, uh hm hmm wow.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
And it would help if you had their number in
your friend.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Jim Wagner would be great.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, he's he's a guy who is as straight shooting
as they come.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Is he easier to get on than Gil because we've
reached out the Gill several times and he's flying all
around the world.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know, you know, you're rarely in the same time
zone when you're dealing with with golf course architects. But
you know, I mean Gil, you know, he went to
O'Hara played high school matches at at Cobbs. And that's
one of the funny things. It's like the people that
you talk to who say, oh.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Yeah, you know, I played high school matches at Cobbs.
I was talking to my father.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Who was a longtime track and field across country coach
at Saint Joe's and he ran there from fifty eight
to sixty two, and he ran track at the prep
and a cross country at the Prep in the in
the mid fifties, and he had his cross country meets
at Cobbs and he would always say, you know, it's
a shame they build a golf course on that great
across country.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
It was either there at Belmont Plateau where he ran, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Pretty much, but it has that kind of hit, you
know that for a generation of runners. You know, Cobbs
Creek is the same as Van Cortland Park in New
York and yeah, you know so, and he could still
to this day recount turn for turn what that was
as a as a cross country of course. And so
it has like it has a lot of meetings to

(28:44):
a lot of people and like Jim is one of
those guys who has his own kind of little Cobs story.
And you know, I don't think he thought this was
going to be done in like twenty thirteen, and they
they they've topped it out, waiting to actually start moving dirt.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Absolutely well, Brandon Quinn, thank you for coming on. Thank
you for writing the article. Honestly, it's important that it
was written by someone like you who knows the ground,
who's been there, right. There's a lot of people talking
about it, but to get the perspective from someone that
has history that's from here and knows it was awesome.
It's a great read. Make sure you check it out.
Continued success and thanks for coming on Swinging and ding

(29:18):
it man, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Yeah, thanks so much, guys. I really appreciate you having
me on. I appreciate the conversation.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Thanks so well at Quinn on Twitter to give him
a follow up.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's right, all right, let's take a quick break, come
back to swing it and thing. It always good to
get an update on the mythical Cobs Creek. Yeah, I mean,
do you think a t will be in the ground
twenty twenty seven? Haro, what do you say?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah? I'll remain.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, but it's hard enough to build a building or
a house these days. To do what they're trying to do,
it's insane, It's it's just a massive undertaking.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
It really is.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
Comment that it takes more.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It's taken more permits to get this up and going
than it has like CB or the Lank or anything
like that.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
That's why.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, yeah, multiple counties and jurisdictions and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
But and then I look at the course map, you
know that was in the article that Gil Hans, yeah, drawing.
And then I go back and I pull up a
Google image of the actual property, you know, on Google Earth,
and I'm like, is this gonna fit in there? Because like,
you know, it's one hundred years I mean, you know,
golf has expanded, everything's bigger, and you know the golf
the ball flies farther. They're hoping to have a tour

(30:28):
event here. I'm like, how are they going to fit
that into that old property?

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (30:31):
I want to see the side by side.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Of the that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I have it up on my computer.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thing was it was, it was always a massive, massive
piece of land, right. It wasn't like it wasn't like
they stuffed that into a corner of the city like
it's strawling, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Very interesting, right, But to get an eighteen hole a
nine hole short course and the driving range, I mean
because in order to have an event, you got to
have a driving arrange big enough to host an event,
you know. Yeah, crazy, like I'm going to get all
they should have get call right next to it and
there you go.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah right, I mean there's so many It's funny how
that all like intertwines and connects to and and Brandon
touches on it in the story, right, especially with the
water that connects are in and it's just so cool.
I love how it gets into the Hugh Wilson, the
Flynns right in the.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Philadelphia School of Design guys. Yeah yeah, and then the
Charlie Sifford angle, you know, linking it with Tiger Woods.
It was really cool.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, rich Is he named his son Charlie for that reason.
And why why Tiger so involved in this project? Because
people were thinking, like why why Tiger woulds like that?
That's that's a huge part of it, a huge conection.
So the history of it, you know, yeah, great stuff,
great stuff out of Brendan Quinn make sure, you check
it out. Great stuff out of the President's Club, President's Cup,
President Fluff, I'm thinking about work.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Going into it, You're like, all right, it's weird. It's
almost becoming like the Harlem Globe Trotters versus the Generals.
You hate to say it, you know, when and then
they jump out five zero yeah, and then and then
they come back the next day just pulls you right
back in. Right with all the drama. It winds up
being the second largest margin victory since twenty eighteen and

(32:09):
a half to eleven a half, But it certainly did
not feel that way right until the very one, very end.
Thirteen one and one goes to the US team. I
think if a US captain did what Mike Weird did
on day three, like it would be talked about to
no end, right with playing the same pairings back to back,

(32:30):
but just a great President's President's Cup all around, and
a million different stories in there.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I don't know about you guys, but we were sitting
on the couch watching Sunday and we went over, We're like, okay,
if this match does this, if this happens here, like
we were playing out every scenario we could see like
how it would end up.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
I thought that was the most fun of watching it, because,
like you said, like Sunday, yeah, the second the second
day just pulled us back in. I was like, wait,
they're now coming back, like what is going on? And
then sitting there last day going through each scenario, it
was fun.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I didn't get to see much of Sundays live because
I played golf in the morning and then I had
to watch the Eagles game at one o'clock and do
a post game, so I'm watching the singles after the fact.
But I did catch the Saturday foursums, which is where
everything really changed. I mean, you had late flips in
three of those matches. You had Scheffler and Henley birdiing fourteen,

(33:24):
fifteen and sixteen to close out Matsuyama and m three
and two. Then you had Moricau and Burns and can't
Lay and Shawfley both birdying eighteen to beat their respective opponents,
and that really changed the whole thing because then the
US you know, went up eleven to seven heading into
the singles, and it's really you know, you're like and

(33:45):
then you know, we're puts Jason Day in the first
group against Shawfley, I mean, are you kidding me? Like,
just throw up the white flag. He's you know, put
on a malbond sweater and go have a cocktail. That
match was over before it's start. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I agree with you, Mosse.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
If that would have been done in the inverse, I
mean we'd be you know, screaming.

Speaker 6 (34:08):
Ripping, right, what do we think about getting his moment?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
That was pretty cool. It's weird how things just line up.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Sometimes right, just written out perfectly.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Really, I mean it.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
I would have liked it to.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Be you know a little more like yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Right, but pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
You look at chawflet, can't Ley, and Marikawa all were
four and one and played five matches, which is exhausting,
and they won four points. Henley, Burns and Scheffler each
won three. I know Scheffler lost his singles match. It
was a good one actually with Matsiyama. But Harmon winless.
We questioned that choice, you know, whether he was automatic

(34:49):
or not. We questioned it. Homa, Clark, and Tigala all
got one point only, so it was kind of interesting there.
And but Can't lay fifteen six and one now in cups,
Ryder and Presidents, he's becoming He's becoming a beast.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I mean, when your nickname is Patty Ice, like that's
the event, those are the events that you're gonna excel
him because you know you're not gonna get thrown off
by the antics. And then, I mean, no one was
involved with more of that in the last Ryder Cup
than him, So I don't think I don't think anything
will ever rattle him at this point. But like even
him making that last part, like he is just and
you can tell, like he likes playing with Xander, but

(35:26):
when he's on his own, Yeah yeah, how about that.
It's funny to see.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
That, right because Xander giving him a ride on that bike.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah yeah, And you can tell, Like listen, and I
like watching these events. I totally get why Live went
the way they did with trying to make the team stuff.
I get it, like it makes sense to try it.
He just can't replicate it with what those guys have
for something like this, But I understand why they're.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
On your back, you know what I mean, Like it's
not like the Olympics, it's not like a Ryder Cup.
It's not President's Cup. It's it's just your playing for money,
you know, And I think that's where Yeah, it's definitely
manufactured and that's where.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
And they're not even playing for money. You got your money,
your your salary, baby, your salary.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
Everything else is just the bonuts, you know.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
But I had that same though as I was like, oh,
this is kind of you know, this team is kind
of fun.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
But then I was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Now that the then Jay and I'm sorry Tom Kim
where I mean, there's so much going on with them
just just the just just did not understand that the
timing of that celebration with it was an incredible shot.

(36:44):
You know, he definitely wanted to do. Tom Kim got
himself in some hot water with some of the comments
he said and then tried to backtrack from him, you know,
walked off the green at one point when Scotty was
still putting on day one, So he was a lot
of the story. He seemed to eat it up. It
was weird to me, like some of it seemed like
a like a he was playing a role of trying

(37:04):
to do what past ryder Cup and President's people did.
But it definitely the additives and drama for sure.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
Yeah, it was fun watching like you know, the the
x or Instagram if you will, and watching all the
dancing videos and this and that. But then, like you said,
like the drama coming through with ben On like going
after Wyndham Clark saying like there's always that one guy
who you know who plays in your around and doesn't
do explicit.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
He just talks explicit. And then he.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Came back and say, I'm sorry, I'm deleting my tweet.
I should be the bigger person. It's like, come on,
Like but there there was a lot of it. And
then Tom Kim, I think that's what you were leading
on to you like accusing the Americans like they were
cursing at me, and like I love it because Xander's
like ID when asked about it, Xander handled it perfectly.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
He's like I can tell you right now.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
He's like that, Patrick and I like treated our opponents
with the most utmost respect, like none of us were cursing,
Like where did that come from? And then somebody else
came back and like, oh maybe it was just you know,
explicits after reacting to a shot or something.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's like, come on, Tom Cam, Yeah, I didn't get that.
Grow up that was the part that really rang hollow
to me. I mean, I like the fact that he's
emotional and boisterous and he's kind of getting in Scottie
Scheffler's thrill of all people, you know, the number one.
I loved all that, but the one thing about him
saying that people are were cursing at him, It's like

(38:26):
that sounded like the mysterious w NBA thing of you know,
people are yelling racial slurs now at the like, come
on enough.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's funny to see Scottie to like get fired up,
because you don't get fired up. But after that wall,
something happened where someone yelled something about his wife or
something ted scott When it kind of went into the crowd,
they threw the guy out. He had an issue with
Hedecki's drop. I guess it was on fifteen. And when
they came back and went he sees spiked his hat
like gronk, like he was fired up.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, I love love to see it. But y thing
about Tom Kim, but what did you think about when
he went back he had they made him put like
a three foot part and he went back in the
latest putter down like it's inside the leather Like I
thought that was weak too.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, you're doing an imitation of someone that's done that before.
I think you should be doing and that's it's it
just it just seems so fake to me.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It seems a little contrived.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, But overall, I mean, you know, it's curious to
see how some of the players cycle out and some
of the new players cycle in when it comes back
to the Ryder Cup. I if I don't see Brian
Harmon in these events, I'm not going to be extremely upset.
Seems like a funny, nice guy. I'm not a fan
of watching him play the game of golf.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Done squat since winning that Open champions Clark to right.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Like phasing out right is homey gonna get his form
back fired his coach?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You think?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Do you think that the team make up for the
Ryder Cup will be drastically different than what we just saw.
Do you think some of the traditional players will regain
their their stroke like at j AT.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I would like to think, Yeah, I would like to
think that Speif and j T are back on on it.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But I do think Kegan is going to go and
plus I'm hoping we're going to see Bryce and Brooks
and these guys, I think you have to. And I
think I'm very curious to see Keegan. I think he's
gonna stay very traditional because he said, like I'm taking
Jim Fuorick's book about what they did with the wives
and how they handled everything. But I think when it
comes to players being that person that was the outsider

(40:32):
that didn't get in, I think you're going to see
him take some risks and take some shots on some new, new,
exciting players for this, I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, me too. And I thought, you know, Tigala, I
was interested to see how he would do and it
looked like the moment might have been a little big
for him. Uh you know, in hindsight now having watched
it play out, so only one point, I thought he'd
do better.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Ton that was NewSpace.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I was underwell, yeah I could, I'm okay with not Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Think And even then we still mollywomps. So it's like,
is this, you know, is it still going to be
the same format? Like the Internationals have to do something
better if they're going to want to have a chance
at winning.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
I mean, we saw that second day come back.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
They got cam. Yeah, you know, right, right way, yeah, right,
A couple of those guys would definitely help.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
But then again, then then now you gotta deal with
Brooks and Bryceon and our guys. So it's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tough. But I cannot wait for Beth
Page that that is for sure.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
Yeah, that's such a sight.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Danielle spilled some tea for us.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Oh my goodness, where do you even start? Well, we
can talk. We were just talking Brooks.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
And uh, the rest of the live guys, so we
can talk on this. Yes, her takes on Jay. So
last year we saw him, we saw you see your
register in the the pro am under Andrew Waterman and
until the evening before the competition then he he put
his real name in. But they're going to be playing

(42:06):
in the program together, paired up, so that should be
interesting to see how that plays out.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
And this is for the Alfred Dunhill correct.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeap, not at Sanderson Farms, right, yeah,
we definitely. I don't think it's hears coming out to Jackson,
Mississippi this week, but that should be interesting. So I'm
not sure you guys think of that like I'd like
to be a caddie in that group, seeing like what
conversation or what banters go.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, there were videos this morning of Monahan playing a
practice round.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
With Billy Horschall, right, they're paired up, Yeah, they're paired
up today sears with Burmaster Yeah from Live.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, they're scheduled playing the same group. It's it's a
horse and bur mister.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
But it's weird that they would show just a video
of Monahan and not the rest of the guys. So
I don't know if something changed selective.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, but there's a lot of rumors going on with
the change of the PGA tour and how we're going
to see it in its future. Nothing is confirmed, but
our guy Ryan at Monday Q, one of his sources said,
uh Air quoting it's a foegone conclusion. So we could
possibly be seeing smaller fields, one hundred cards instead of

(43:20):
one twenty five being issued to corn fairy players, less
KFT grads, gutting the Monday cues and the the thing
on the Monday cues would be instead of forward B two.
But when asked about it, and I guess what they're
leading on and giving to the current PGA tour players
that they're pushing this info too, is that only twenty
nine percent of people qualify via Monday Q make the cut,

(43:45):
So they're cutting that out.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, terrible number for how many people were in the field, Like, yeah,
they have to staff that right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
But what I thought was a really good point that
somebody had on and it was in Ryan's article, I believe,
was that if you're cutting Monday cues, you're taking tremendous
money away from the PGA, Like the PGA of Americas,
That's how a lot of them make their money is
hosting these Monday qualifying events. So you take that out,
you know, you're you're cutting jobs. And essentially they're saying

(44:16):
that it's just like they're the PGA tour is shaping
up to have the lower guy or the lower guys.
It just it's going to be a grind, it's going
to be a struggle. It's like trying to get into
the you know, to Harvard if you will, like and
then the guys who are already there it's a little
more simple for them. But somebody did come in out
that Ricky Faller only has one more year of status left,

(44:40):
which I didn't realize that that happened.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So and he's playing this week. Yeah, first time since
the middle of the open, right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, because he just took time off having their second child.
But I think he's realizing, like, hey, I have no
job security. You know, we might see the orange clothes
come back and do.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Some more time to take time off, and I have
my fourth child that I'm trying to get it all
in now.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, the year the Year of the mooseuns like you are.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
I don't think my husband took one day off, I
said the other day. I was like, that's his job.
I was like, if you changed to daper in three months.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Good for him.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
To do it poorly. Dads all the dad's listening out.
New dads do it poorly the first couple of times, right,
Let there be an accident. Then you will not be
trusted and you don't have to do it anymore. Just
pro tip from your bloy Moose.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
That's what I did when they wanted me to be
a producer back at the old days of the Fanatic.
I was just so horrible. I'm like, I'm going to
crash this by design. They'll never ask me to do
this again.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Gotta do it hilarious. That's how you do it sometimes.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Oh my god, fact send me this video. He goes,
is this good for social and I just gently said no.
But it was him loading the dishwasher with getting you know,
a play by play of like everything that he was doing,
and he's like, you know, men, this is how you
should load a dishwasher. Nobody's gonna want to load the

(46:06):
dishwasher and see how to do this correctly. It was
pretty funny after President's having a couple of drinks trying
to show.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
How to load the dishwasher.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
I'm like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
But yeah, there is a science to it, though there is.
Some people are very very axillized. Might get you might
get some response from that video, Danielle. Actually it's a
hot topic.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
And loading the dishwasher correctly.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, yeah. Some people do it like an engineer. Some
people do it like a drunken sailor. And usually those
people live with each other.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I remember when I did that was the case.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
He said his wife is d plus the best, and
he I remember when maybe we posted and I give
them Moose credit.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yes. When I did my show with bald the famous
quote came out of it that was used a million times.
The dishwasher confuses me, remember that, Remember that one moose?
I think that's what he was talking about, Like, how
do you load this thing?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Wow, that's a great drop. Oh that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (47:01):
It drives me wild.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
If Bee does the dishes and it's not like I'm
like the coffee cups in a row with the glass
in a row, like.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Like Rebecca's mom fully cleans the dishes and then puts
them in the dishwasher. Guilty, I do, Like, I mean
they are spotless. Yeah, if you opened up a full dishwasher,
you could not tell if they had been run or not.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
I need to get the cleaner dirty magnet because he's
always like is this clean or dirty?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
That's my yeah, yeah, hot topic. Yeah, your Heart's appliance,
by the way, there you go if you need it
in the dishwasher. Nice to see our friends with gear
Heart's appliants the best.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Well, I'm glad I brought that up, So we'll get
that posted. Stay tuned for that.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
But talking about potential changes with the PGA tour, Corn
Fairy grads still getting thirty cards this year, so we'll see,
uh graduation they're in playoffs this week at the French Lick,
so that'll be exciting to watch.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
I enjoy what the corn and Latin. I think it's fun.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
I like watching the guys come up, probably as we
went through it, but and I know the grind, but
it's so fun. So I'll stay tuned to that this week.
Bring you some updates on that next week. See how
that plays.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Yew.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
They're at that eight thousand yard peat die course, but
they're not playing eight thousands, but it's pretty long anyway,
but I wish they would. I know, that would be
kind of cool to see that. I mean, Max McGreevy,
Harry Higgs, Ryan Garrard, Kevin Roy who's been on the program,
John Pak, Chris Ventura, Aldrich Pott, Guiter and Tanno's in
there another program guest. So I'm interested in that too

(48:36):
this weekend. Danielle Oh yeah, and Kevin Roy.

Speaker 6 (48:39):
He's been having a great year. So that's pretty cool
to see.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
And it's funny, you know, a lot of times I
think the guys that they get on the tour, they
earn their card and they get there. You know, it's
kind of like Brendan was saying, I'm thirty and I'm
out here and it's like, how do I make new friends?
It's some of these guys, you know, Kevin's probably like
around thirty. He goes out there and it's like, you know,
it's like a boys club where everyone has thing, and
you're like, how.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Do I belong here? And you're not comfortable.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Maybe you don't feel comfortable showing up on the driving range,
you're practicing next to somebody whatever, and then they you know,
lose their card. They get kicked back down and then
they go okay, like I need to get back up there.
There's more money, they treat us better or whatever else,
and then they're like, Okay, I'm more comfortable.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
They're not the rookie anymore.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
They end up regaining their card back, and we're seeing
that with guys like Kevin, with Tono and and everything else.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
So excited to watch that play out.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Definitely, definitely good stuff. Uh my favorite golf course I
get to play today?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Oh today, Today's day.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I get to play my favorite golf course.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
What's your favorite golf course?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
We all know this, Philly. Yeah. I just I just
love the place. I love I love everything about it.
I love playing there. I am equally looking forward to
the chicken sandwich at the turn as I am the
golf everything about it. I just always always am uh
excited when I get a chance to play that course.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, you know what to do. You got to start
lobbying to get it, to get a membership. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, you know, you know we have admiring from
Afar and count.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
Get in there, get it over.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
What we have to do though, is a course in
food episode, because there's so many courses.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
That you relate.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Like, you know, you're like, I'm going to get a
chicken sandwich, and you know a certain places you're like, okay,
I need that hot dog.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Or the Tarsdale that right, right, Yeah, that was a
thick bread toast. I like that. It was almost like
almost like a sour dough. It felt like to me.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I'll tell you what, A Jaws dog never misses you.
Jaws dog always.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
River Winds has has the good Jaws dog. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a turtle.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
It's always a chicken cup salad or chicken a cup
of chicken salad and then just douse it in hot sauce.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
You're good to go.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Danielle doesn't do bread. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Bars are the enemy.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
I actually started making my own sour dough bread though,
because I was like, yeah, I was like, let's, you know,
clean up like what we're eating. So yeah, it was
great homemade sour dough bread.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So how's the game going. How he played Sunday? He said,
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, I played Sunday in the morning. I mean it
was so wet, you know, so, you know, because the
course had taken on all that rain from the offshoots
of Helene. But I played Saturday and Sunday and you know,
just kind of getting ready for this weekend's Fall member member.
Me and Adam Blahm are the teammate and he's you know,
he's about a five and I'm bringing you know, fifteen

(51:37):
indexed into it. So the you know, the strokes. I'm
bringing strokes and I got to make them count. So
looking forward to that Saturday Sunday at the nineteen twelve club.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yes you did. I'm actually playing Sunday too. I'm playing
in the h Fall Classic. Yeah, that's basically yeah, six
six six. You play play modified Scramble or modified at
think Shot Scramble, playing with a fellow named Jimmy Wagner.
I don't know Jimmy. It was a blind date setup
John DeMarco at the pro shops. I need someone that

(52:08):
I would enjoy spending the day with like that.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
That's always fun.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, is nine holes better ball on the front on
Saturday and then a scramble on the back nine, and
then the next day is alternate shot and add them up. Wow.
So the two tougher like formats are both on the
front nine, which to me is the tougher nine too.
So it's gonna be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
That's fun though. That's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I love it, love it.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Well, there's a there's two golf tournaments this weekend to
speak of. We have the second event in the Fedecks
Cup Fall Series of course the Sanderson Farms Country Club
of Jackson, but then also the DP World Tour, the
Alfred Dunhill Links Championship with a crazy field when you
when you take a look and see it. But let's
talk about the course of course presented by our friends

(52:56):
at the Penn Club. On second they drop off some
merch for for us. That was very nice, said, because
you can play the old course there, Harry, you don't
have to get on that plane. You can just head
right over to Conchi and play the old course, but
you're pick of where you want to start if you
want to talk about both. One, let's talk about the courses.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'll go Country Club of Jackson, which is an early
nineteen sixties Dick Wilson designed. Dick Wilson, of course, who
designed Rooke Montreal too, which was the President's Cup last week.
And I had a two thousand and eight renovation by
John Fought, and now it resembles what they say is
more of a Donald Ross look, which is really cool.
They have an Azalea nine and a dogwood nine that

(53:34):
they used for the Sanderson Farms seventy four hundred and
sixty five yards par seventy two. The average green size
sixty two hundred square feet. Boy, give me some of
those with Bermuda grass. There's four par fives, four par threes,
fifty six bunkers and seven water hazards and water is
in play actually on five of the holes. We'll start
at fifteen. The last par five is the fourteenth hole.

(53:56):
We'll go to fifteen short, par four, three hundred and
thirty yards fairway bunk loom left and about ninety yards
short of the green. The green slopes severely away and
a full shot into the green offers the best birdy
opportunity because you can spin it. If you try and
drive it favor the left side, it can run out
on your green side. Bunkers aren't left and right as

(54:16):
a very cool hole. Sixteenth hole, par four, four hundred
and seventy yards. This is the signature hole at the
country club at Jackson. They're swamp all the way up
the left side and actually crosses the fairway about eighty
yards short of the green. Two precise shots are required
to get into this largest green on the golf course,
which again is protected by swamp to the left and

(54:36):
a big bunker to the right. An aggressive line off
the te challenges the left side of the fairway, but
the ball may run out on you. Seventeenth hole, par
four four sixteen, with the right side of the fairway
serving as the hot side. If you can carry the hill,
aim for the right side of the bunker in the
left center of the fairway. You can't reach it, but
that's a good aiming spot. Fairway slopes right to left

(54:58):
with a hook lie into a narrow green that falls
away to the back left corner. The closing hole, par four,
five hundred and five yards, straightforward t shot to the
right center of the fairway and the ball will run out,
So aim down the left side with the approach playing uphill.
You kind of see the clubhouse up in the background.

(55:20):
It's an uphill shot to a protected green by bunkers
short left and short right, and the green is sort
of off set from the front left to the back right.
A really good finishing hole. This golf course. The Bermuda
grass makes it look like the place where they play
the window at the end of the at the end
of the year, it's going to look that and that's

(55:41):
the Donald Ross, so it's gonna look very similar to that.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
Harry, you forgot to mention it's the side of my honeymoon.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Oh that's right. That was the first tournament back and
the coolest trophy and g.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah the Munos who right on this show was the
winner and showed us where he proudly displays.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
It's so awesome like it.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
It's like just a.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Huge yeah rooster, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Thanks to our friends at the Penn Club. On second,
make sure you check them out. I actually got quite
a few text from people like how is that place?

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
The rates are great, Like people definitely are interested when
they saw some of the stuff you would put out
Harry and had them on Sewan Brace get him on
the radio on the radio. So yeah, I love seeing
some good stuff going on with our friends over in
Concha Hocken.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah. PC two Conchy dot com is the website. You know,
go in there and ask for a tour. Winter is coming.
I know, you know, we're squeezing in the final couple
of weeks or a month and a half of fall
got but winter is coming. You're gonna want to sharpen
up your game. And there's no better place to do it,
at least in this area, in the Concha Hocken Plymouth
Meeting King of Prush area than the Penn Club.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
On second, the coolest thing to do is like you know,
the if you're watching if you go there, if you
have a membership and you go in the morning and
you're watching the Old Course and you could play the
Old Course along with it like you have it on
the TV and then you're playing it. That's a that's
so much fun.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
I think you're just a fifth in that group.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, right at a Gusta at a place before. We're
so cool to like play the course while the while
the tournament's going on. But yeah, we talked a little
bit about Sabashia Muno, cam Champ was a winner here,
Luke Liz who won that in that five person playoff.
But six of the ten last ten winners here are
first time winners. So will somebody get their first win
or real guy like Ricky get back on track. Four

(57:25):
of five played in NAPA, right, so you know, people
have to come come to form. Mackenzie us is the
only guy in the field that was in the President's
Cup right last week, and he's got some some fairly
short odds. But I think, yeah, that was that's a
lot of golf.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
It really is a lot of golf, and and you know,
and it's intense, very intense. Yeah, he was one and
three at the President's Cup, not his best week. But yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna fade him. I'm gonna stay away
from him. But I tell you, you mentioned uh, you know,
winning in Napa. Pat and Kazaire won a NAPA and
he's plus fifty five hundred. That's juicy enough for me.
To dive in to a guy that you know is

(58:05):
playing his best golf. He had two top tens here
at country club at Jackson too, so he likes the
golf course. So what do you think about that one?

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(58:56):
How about Norlander, he's got He was in the playoff
last year, seventy five hundred. He has a TEA four
and a T two here last year, so yeah, in
the playoff, and it's funny. There's only one guy in
the top fifty and that's number thirty four, Nick Dunlap,
who's the top of the odds.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I like him to win it.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Did you ever think that he would think that he
would be the shortest odds on DraftKings going into a tournament?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Crazy?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Wait, can you look.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
At Matt McCarty's odds. I'll give you a little background
on him while you look that.

Speaker 6 (59:29):
Up real quick.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Four thousand, like shorter than yeah, forty one?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:33):
Yeah. He's making his PGA Tour debut this week.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
He's opting out of corn Fairy Finals because he already
secured a spot in KFT ranking, so instead of pudding
it higher and he's like, now we're good. In his
last nine starts on the corn Ferry Tour, he's earned
three wins in seven top ten finishes.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
So I don't know if he's going to have.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
That nerves being on tour or you know, like with
the big boys, or since it's not that deep in
the field, maybe we'll see him do something this week.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
It's funny name shorter, shorter ads than grill.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Oh who?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I actually like? You had a T five here in
twenty two at forty five hundred. So yeah, people are
onto that a little bit. If you like it, get
on a quick it's probably gonna get a little bit shorter. Yeah,
could scoop out of you, Danielle. Nice work got you boys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
What is Ricky Fowler at? Now? Last I saw he
was six thousand to win.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Let's see where's Ricky? He said he was six thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
He was six thousand yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Oh seventy five hundred, Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Dropping, Oh my yeah. And our man Ben Griffin is
the guy who was in the playoff last year too.
Last I saw him, he was at plus what two
seventy five.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
For he's a vegan though, I don't know you, oh really.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Three thousand, three thousand to win. The other guy, the
other guy likes shamous power to the short short number
for him, twenty five hundred. But it's it's it's all
gonna be short numbers on guys at the top with
this one. But they're not like you know, the Rory
six hundreds or the Chef's four hundred that you see.
There's still value even at the top of the board
when you go across the pond. Of course, now that

(01:01:06):
is in that is an interesting DraftKings board Rory, like
we said, plus six hundred with John Rahm who just
had his third child, right, Daniel, did you see that
John rom just had his third child and he's over
in playing this tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Playoff? He lost a playoff in the Spanish Open last week?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, yeah, he got hat in Fleetwood, Koepka, Lowry McIntyre
nor in Horsehall, like you know, Matt Wallace, Matt Fitzpatrick
Louis Ustays and is playing as Patrick Reed is playing
in this d tree that this is gonna be cool.
I love waking up in the morning and getting to
watch a little golf two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I could see the golf course.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I mean, listen, does horse will stay on fire
at that twenty five hundred number?

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah not? Why not? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Tristan Lawrence plus two point fifty for a top ten
the South African playing some good golf.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah. I actually like Alex Norn and this at twenty
two hundred. I did take him to win.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
But a lot of good people think, oh, season's over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
No, big season's never over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I saw like a headline saying, like now with the
PGA Tour, like you know, season under wraps.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And I'm like, huh huh, yeah, there is no off season.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Yeah no, yeah, no, no December, no or Thanksgiving, a Christmas.
Basically that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
And then make sure you check out Brandon Quinn's article
about Cops Creak. Awesome read. I think you'll really enjoy it.
Put some great insights into what will be and what
what has been unburdened by what has been Cops Creak.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Actually, when I read that, I thought the same exact thing.
I'm like, you paraphrasing Kamala here. Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
But yeah, Sanderson Farms DP World Tour, a lot of
golf going on. I have a possible major golf bucket
list play that is, yeah, I'm not gonna talk about yet,
but maybe next week that I might be able to
check off the list, might be a top five in
the US.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
The Year of Movie here continues here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
As America guests.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I gotta I gotta show you. I got a couple
of books I'm reading right now. These are future guests,
the Bill Hindeman book, A Will to Win by John Riley.
We're gonna get John on and maybe a Hindman on
to discuss I'm in that right now and the Culture
of Golf by Larry Hirsch, who's actually a member of
the nineteen twelve O clock. Oh, I'm reading that. And

(01:03:35):
we also got a delivery the other day. Now, I
don't do unboxing videos like faxing because I don't have
Danielle here to film it. But we got some save Yes,
change your shoes, change your game, just like Sir Nick says.
And I'll say that suckers. These bad boys are sweet.
I am totally impressed by the look of these. Let

(01:03:58):
me give you a good Yeah, I don't know that
comes off. Actually these are strong. But these are beautiful shoes.
And just like I tried them on, they fit, They
fit great, they feel great. The construction is so sturdy
and heavy. This is a quality item and I can't
wait the way I'm going to wear them this weekend
at least once, and I'll give you a review. Yeah,

(01:04:19):
but they vote.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
For a Harry in boxing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
You just did great. The product description, the showcasing of
the shoe.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
Let's see that up on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, I thought I thought quoting Sir Nick
was the best part.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
It was strong, that strong, beautiful, love it. Good luck
out there. This weekend, Harry, hope you you play well
guys today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Hopefully I get out Last Wednesday was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Be just Wednesdays.

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Our hurricane come through.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Yeah, well you know literally I was supposed to get
over there at for and I was like, okay, it's
not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
So hurricane is coming Nonesday.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Oh no, it's we're bluebird skies today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
So hopefully I I can get over there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
So it's a turble swing swing videos.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Good stuff, all right, everybody else, get out there, get
out there and swing it and ding it. We'll talk
to you next week, but

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Listen, swing it and ding it