Swing It & Ding It: Episode 214

Joined by Robert Birtel, Directory of Golf Operations at Casa De Campo on the full restoration of Teeth of The Dog. Harris English perseveres at Torrey Pines, Harry and D at the PGA Show. The Tea with D, The Course of Course presented by The Penn Club for AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am and and See The Line.

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
We just got to get out there and swing and
ding it.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, just guess it's going to go out
there and try to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
And as we like to do, Harry and Danielle.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
We'd love to torture ourselves this time of year, usually
January February, we like to go someplace warm and think
about the golf that we're missing.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, not so much Danielle, but Harry and I.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
And we get a chance to welcome back person who
has become not only a friend of the show, but
a friend period, the great Robert Purtel, director of golf
operations at Casa de Campo.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Robert, welcome back to swing it and ding it.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Man, Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, it's great to
see everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Great to see you, Great to see you. So we
have a lot to get.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Sunshining behind you in the window, it is.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's yeah, it's a beautiful day. I have the window.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
I can see the ocean, you can see the Caribbean sea.
So yeah, everything's in good shape out here.

Speaker 6 (01:26):
You'll be yeah, Harry pretending behind him.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, mine's on a green string.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, well it would be low eighties, little breeze today.
What were we talking?

Speaker 5 (01:35):
It is exactly low eighties almost not a cloud in
the sky.

Speaker 7 (01:41):
We played nine holes last night as well, and so
you know it might have gotten down about eighty two
at sunset last night, and yeah, we were in good
shape everything.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
We'll send you a Philly golf hoodie just for those
crisp Dominican nights.

Speaker 7 (01:53):
So sometimes in the morning it gets to be about
maybe seventy two, and I do wear a hoodie white
to walk to the gym.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
Your blood thins, right, everyone the guys make fun of mi.
I have somebody on my side.

Speaker 7 (02:07):
Now, Yeah, we're we're Yeah, like my daughter, My daughter
wears like a sweater to school.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
You know like Eleanor it's hot.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Has Eleanor had any other hole in one since we've
last talked, No.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
She's had she birdied number five.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
And since we've last talked, she's played with like Rachel
Keene who played on three Curtis Cops. And she played
with Natalie Guseva who got about twenty six on the
LPGA Tour last year. So she is she likes playing
with the best players in the world's way, she likes.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
All right, Well, we have to start with the big news, right,
we have to start with the story. You know, you
have the number one course in the Caribbean in Teeth
of the Dog, and at some point you guys decide
we're going to do a full renovation of this place.
Talk us through that thought process, how it comes about,
you know, having to basically shut the course down for
a full year. How hard of a decision was that

(03:08):
to make, and what ultimately led the decision to the
decision to make it and move forward with that move.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, we've been floating the idea for probably five years.
You know, there's never.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
A great time to do it, but we had full
support of our ownership, you know, they they said, you know,
you always have to do maintenance on your assets, and
this golf course is no different. So we have full
support from our ownership. And the reason that we we

(03:42):
sort of got to the need of the renovation was
we needed to redo our fairways.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
So we had some contamination in the fairways.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
They became harder and harder to maintain, harder to give
the product we wanted to give to our guests.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
And once you do fairways, that's eight months.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
Anyway, So then you know, you get into, well, let's
redo all the bunkers, let's fix the car pass, and
let's regrass the green. So before you know it, it's
a full restoration. We're not changing the layout.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Or the design.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
It's still we're really excited to just enhance Pete's masterpiece.
But we are doing some things like in the bunkers,
mostly that regulars would notice.

Speaker 8 (04:29):
Some bunkers are moving locations a little bit just for
the longer hitter, for example for our Latin American Amateur Championship,
like we're adding a back tee on whole two, extending
some bunkers out to make the force carry a little longer, but.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Still keeping what Pete had in mind.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
With generous fair ways and being a second shot golf
course into the greens of teeth the dog, which offer
amazing undulations if you miss the green, different chip shots.
But we actually with we worked with Jerry Pate Turf
and we scanned the greens ahead of time because we

(05:05):
wanted to keep the greens as we had them as
we had them recently. For the most part, we are
changing making a few greens a little bigger. For example,
back right on number two, we'll add another pin location,
back left on three, we'll add a pin location.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Front right on eight.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
The green used to sort of come up this hill,
so the ball can sort of bound up by the
palm trees and roll down to the green, so that'll
be a little bigger.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
So it's little things like that.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
It's really a restoration or a facelift rather than it's
not a redesign.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I love and the greens are fantastic, And Danielle, it's
like the first day or there when you're with your caddie,
you say are you sure a lot? And then the
second time you play, you don't ask any questions, and
it's it was the opposite of what I thought like
it would be like you sure, that's all. That's I
don't need that much break. And you like, I think
when we play here, there's so much going on where

(06:01):
the courses we play where, there's so much wild movement
because of the greens. They're so true there that it's
so subtle, but you have to be accurate. But like
the caddies, and you know, my buddy, big Poppy David
Ruiz is my caddy when I come there, Oh yeah,
now he just now, he just yellso he tells me
to shut up and hit the ball.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
But before, when you're first there, you're like, are you sure?
Are you sure? And then that goes away really quickly.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
The brakes on teeth the dog are so subtle.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
There is there is some movement, but yeah, I mean
for the most part it falls to the sea, except
for some key places where.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
You're going, what do you want me to? Where do
you want me to get it?

Speaker 9 (06:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
That's fun. The caddies make a huge experience for the guests.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
We have we have over two hundred caddies on our
on our staff, and they work all the golf courses
and they add such an experience to the to the
guests and.

Speaker 9 (06:47):
To the round Oh yeah, that's you know, Moose's friends
with them now, you know, it's great they become family.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
So caddies are amazing there.

Speaker 9 (06:55):
But I'm curious, like, what was your role in helping
with this redesign. I know you said, you know you're
trying to you're not really trying to touch the main
original design, but enhance it if you will. So what
was your part in this? How much you know, fun
did you get to have and kind of adding some
of your input.

Speaker 7 (07:11):
So we our Golf committee when we worked with Jerry
pay Turf, Steve Dana who works with Jerry, Bob Kelly
who's on our team. You know, we went we had
so much conversation about every single hole, about every single
bunker and shot and how we wanted the.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Ball to react around the greens.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
So it was really a culmination of five years of
talking with Steve and Jerry about you know, these bunkers
are like a little too far, They're they're too far
to the left, They're not in play, no one can
ever get in them. So do we move those in
a little bit to add a little more strategic thought

(07:54):
off of tease, We did a lot of history looking
up old pictures to find how the golf course looked,
how the greens.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Looked like in seventy one when it opened.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
We found picks from seventy four seventy nine, like the eighties,
so we saw that there were pin locations in places
and the green sort of wrapped around bunkers in these spots.
So I would say the most fun was going hole
by hole with Steve and Jerry and giving my thoughts,

(08:28):
and it came.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
From a lot of just.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
A lot of playing with those guys and a lot
of talking about each hole. So yeah, we spent a
lot of time on each hole thinking about all the
different options.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, you say, you've been talking this through for about
five years, how did you originally decide on Jerry Pate
Design to be the renovation architecture firm?

Speaker 7 (08:54):
So, Jerry has been an amazing friend of Casa de
Campo in our ownership. Jerry actually late in the World
Amateur in seventy four on the US team and won.
He then met our owner like the the bing Crosby
pro am and got paired up with him. So sort

(09:17):
of from that point forward when they bought Casady Compo
in eighty four, you know, Jerry was one of the
first folks to come down and like re se Teeth
of the Dog and his work with Pete Dye. You know,
Jerry won the Players Championship in eighty one and threw
Pete Die into the lake tpc Sawgrass.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
So they did work together. They built some golf courses together.
He studied with Pete.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Dye and it was a natural fit through his friendship
of Costady Compo, his history of costad of Compo.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
And his work with Pete Dye.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
So it was it was a natural fit as to
how we got there and Jerry, you know, we worked
with Pete up until the end. You know, he and
Alice and his son, Pebe Die and Perry who's no
longer listed with us.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
They played in sort of our our.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Our Owner's tournament up until sort of the end of
Pete's life. And there was a transition period at that
time when you know, when Pete was no longer able
to do the work and we started working with Jerry.
And so he has a long history with Cassady Compo
and he's been a great friend and a great asset

(10:31):
to our golf operation.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, it's interesting, you know, I've been fortunate enough
to be there a couple of times. I'm planning my
twenty twenty five trip, and the guys that I go with,
you know, what we say is if Teeth of the
Dog were not there, you would get on the plane
to go play Die For.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It is incredible.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's it's always that, you know, the debate like I
like get better, It's like yeah, you know, it's like
happyld you like one thing better?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Now?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
They're both incredible, And I think that's important for people listening,
Like if you're thinking, like I wanted to go there
this year, but trust me, you're gonna want You're gonna
go back, like you're not gonna go there once, So
go there, experience you know, die for, play the links,
experience the property, and then when you go back, go
back and play Teeth to the Dog. Because Robert just

(11:17):
to give you a chance to talk about is there like,
is there always like some sort of surprise factor shock
factor with people that we saw because there's so much
focus on teeth, How could there not be the Heaven
seven the way it lays out. But the surprise that
I think people have by die For is so cool
to see die.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
For is definitely something most people don't get at home,
and it has twenty seven holes. It plays up along
the cliff of the Chavon River, so you're three hundred
feet up above this cliff.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
You have views up the mountains.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
Out in the distance, you have views of the Caribbean
Sea and the Back nine or Chavon nine sort of
plays like just out of Alto State Chavon. So you
look back on Hoole ten and eleven and you're looking
at Altos, You're looking at the river, the Caribbean Sea.
It's one of the few places where you can see
the mountains, the river, and the sea all from one

(12:10):
vantage point.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
The golf course itself like.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
It's bigger, it's hillier, it's windy, but it's just the
views are spectacular from the golf course. And yeah, it's
definitely people people come for teeth and then I see
like as I say, Danielle's sort of facial expressions like
they get up to die for and you know, you
put ten people in a room and half like teeth,

(12:36):
half like die for. It Also with three nines gives
us us some different playabilities. So for some events that
we do, we do a series of what we call
golf tournament vacations, whether it's a pro am or Kasady
Compope and our couple's event will we'll play maybe the
Chavon with the lagos and the Marina with the Chavon,

(12:57):
so we mix it up and you can get a
completely different golf experience.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
But I mean those some of those views, like when
you come around to turn and I'm Parry knows Harry
remembers every hole, every shot. I don't remember if I
played the course to that, couldn't tell you the whole
which was but it's not that hard any golf course.
But like when you're coming around and and that, and
the marina just opens up down in the distance in
front of you, like some of the some of the views,
you're just like you say wow, so many times when

(13:22):
you're there, even in the beginning when you're starting out.
I don't know if there're hawks or what, but like
there you're even with them because they're flying way high
over the river that's down below.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
We were playing with a guy and he was like,
get right to line up.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
His buddy was like, it just hit it right where
that like hawk is, that's the line, and he hits
the ball I'm like, question, do you always get like
moving targets as you're I was really confusing.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
The views are just outrageous.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
On that course, Greene, who's friend of the program, who
his honeymoon was in Capella, was like bringing back memories
of of Capalua when he was out there, just because
of some of the undulations, and I.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Was the same way when I went on.

Speaker 9 (13:59):
I think for me, it's like it just felt like
I was somewhere else, you know. And not to take
anything away from Teeth, but playing in Florida it was like, okay,
Like I almost felt like it was like an extension
of Florida, if you will, or something like that. But
when I got out to die, I was like, this
is incredible. I just felt like I was somewhere else.
It was wide open. I also almost careered it after
like four holes and then then it kind of all

(14:21):
the wheels fell off. But that that helped a little bit.
And if there's any testament to playing there, I was
what eight eight and a half months pregnant and played
what thirty six a day, so something along those lines.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
It was incredible. I mean, it's one of my favorite
places on Earth.

Speaker 9 (14:37):
I literally felt like I was just taken away from
like life for a moment.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Being out there. It was just just so broad.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I can't wait to get Harry there.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I don't know if you I don't know if you
want to get there this year or you want to
wait Harry and go next year.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
But you're going to be there, Okay, yeah to.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
Be I need to return not being pregnant. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (14:59):
Make Brandon's say I'm a watcher while I go get
thirty six exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, aside from this great architecture and obviously the breathtaking views,
I'm interested to know like what aspect like when people review,
like they come home and they review the place like
they give leave you a review. What is the most common.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Attribute of the resort that people rave about.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
On the golf side, It's interesting, it's it's the caddy experience.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
We get so many comments about it.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
And Jeff, I think you mentioned the repeat guests over
and over, Custody Kampo. We have such a huge repeat
guest base. People come year after year, it's the same
week and they use the same caddies year after year
after year, and so on the golf side, I mean
they love the golf course. They love the weather, but

(15:53):
it's the people that make the difference for their stay,
and the Kasadi Kampo team and the caddies and just
the Manican people in general are so genuine and so
welcoming and so excited to help and make your stay great.
So it's not you know when you sort of get
outside the resort. We also don't have a lot of turnover.

(16:16):
So when you go to the restaurants, you go to
Lago Grill for breakfast and lunch as the golfer. You know,
they see Antonio and they see the guys every every day.
And you go to the like Chilango and the Marina
in Altos di Chavon or Kolsa in the Marina, they.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Have your drink ready for you after one day they
know you. It's crazy wow.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
And you know it's the same guys at the front desk.
So it makes it a lot of fun to come
back and see you know, almost like your extended family
at Casa de Combo.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
And that's what makes Cosa so special.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's so cool because like when Danielle went, I had
some other friends that have gone. I said, listen, I'm
gonna give you a bunch of information, but when you
get there everything I said, nothing that you literally cannot
describe what this place is. It is its own city.
You know, you go to a resort, you go somewhere.
You got the beach, you got the pool. You know,
you're this is you're you're in like you feel like
you're in different worlds at times with a with a

(17:11):
fifteen minute golf cart ride, which is a cool part
of it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
You get a golf cart and you drive all around
the place.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
But the fact that you could experience so many different
things in one place, No wonder why there's repeat because
you know.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
You feel like even when you're there.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
The first time we went, we didn't even go up
to altos with the guys, like we just didn't have
a book that we didn't really know. The next time
I met my wife, I'm like, gee, I can't believe
it didn't come here last time. Right, It's you can
do it in so many different ways. And the spa
that you guys put in, I mean, it was just
world class.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
That diaquatic room what do we call it?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
With the I mean we went there because I went
with my wife and I was only playing two rounds
went there the first day and then we booked for
the last day because we it was just such a
great experience. So to see you guys have what you have,
but you continue to just keep up in the game
and reinventing yourself is credit to the ownership and the
leadership there. With that in mind, I mean, there was

(18:05):
a lot that was done outside of the restoration, put
you guys putting the runway back in on teeth of
the dog, like what's next?

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:14):
The spa has been so well received, So Danielle, you
got to experience the.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Spot I did.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
We had a rain, Dame. I was like, oh, I
know where we'll spend the day.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
It was incredible.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
We got a massage, you know, we're able to look
out those windows there.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
We were there for quite some time. It was really enjoyable.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
It's been so well received. We do a couple's golf
and spa retreat, so these you know, boy, girl, whatever,
come down and we play three rounds of golf and
they each get two spas. But coming up there's certainly
there's always things in the pipeline, like where we just
opened up a new beach bar to compliment what we
called the Coco mar at Manita's Beach. We have different

(18:54):
different golf projects in mind once Teeth is finished, to
see how we we keep expanding our golf offerings, new
hotel rooms in the pipeline, to expand on our premiere
rooms that were just opened up. At the little things
up at the shooting center, we've covered almost all of

(19:15):
the different.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Shots, I guess, so you can go shoot in the
rain or.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
You're not shooting in the sun now, So there's a
five stand which is a lot of fun, and then
there's different trap shots with that are covered and as
well as the sporting plays which take you through like
the interior of the property which are amazing.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
So yeah, there's so much in the pipeline.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
We're just constantly trying to make the place better and
we you know, a lot of it is is as
we tell our pro am guests or our golf tournament guests.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
It has to do with.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
The people that come back to Kasady Compo year and
year out because we do it.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
We do it for them. Obviously we want to make
the place better, but we rely on their support.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
We don't have memberships at our at our resort, we
have homeowners but we lie a lot on the hotel
guests to come down and enjoy.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Cost of the compos So it sounds like my first
massage ever may take place at Cossagic compo.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Yeah, Harry's never had a massage. If you can believe that?
Isn't that wild? I got all the enhancements. I was like, yeah,
I'll take the lavender oil. I'll take this. It's incredible.
But wait, so aside from this small that was one of.

Speaker 9 (20:24):
The things you know, you just kind of lightly uh highlighted,
like the shooting and things of that nature. I feel
like you almost need like two weeks there and you
probably still there's something that you haven't discovered, because isn't
there like horseback riding, there's the clay shooting, there's you know,
a new beach bar. Now there's even if you just
go sit by the pool or sit on the beach
and just like lounge there shopping, there's there's you know,

(20:45):
the restaurants down by the marina. There's so much stuff
it's like never ending.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
And variety of food too, makes an incredible variety.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
Yeah, and then you said the experience with the caddies
that you meet that we probably met three or four
people were Instagram friends. They're you know, they're following us.
We're talking each other like when you guys going back.
It's like just constant relationships.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Still for me, it's yeah, to keep on what what
Custody Compo offers it. So I mean, I'm I'm going
on my tenth year. So you don't ever get tired
of being here, you know, family, But we played like you,
My daughter and I started playing polo. We're Custody Compo
is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary this year. So we've had

(21:29):
as we do every year, but a series of concerts
that come to the Amphitheater at Altos de Chavonne.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Like last year, for example, we had Ricky Martin.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
This year we've done a different series of concerts so
that the amphitheater itself is six thousand seeds.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
I don't even know you had an amphitheater.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, it's like a six thousand seed amphitheater that.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
We have.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
This lady coming at Altos, Yeahtos.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
The next concert is the fifteenth of February.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
How Sidy come up?

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I think has something like twenty two different restaurants, not
all through the hotel, but summer are private down in
the Marina Alto Station mall. So there's there's so much
to do and no you know what. Ever, Oh and
we didn't even talk about the going out on a boat,
going to the islands, you know, going deep seat fishing.

Speaker 9 (22:19):
It's like any of that thing you literally need about
a month or two and then you probably you know,
need to come back again a year later.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
You go snorkeling, go diving. It's incredible.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Daniel just went from two weeks to two months.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Because I just learned some more.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
I just learned some more. You know, I'm like, all right, Vienna,
you're gonna learn.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's funny, like you guys have seen me smiling this
whole episode, Like when I see Robert, Like when I
see him, it's either on here or I see him
in person.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
And I'm never happier than when I see this man
in person. Like it just is my happy place.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Like if I could go anywhere right now, that's where
I would go, just because of the things I like,
which are great food, golf experiences, and great people. Right
so it checks every box. So we're so excited to
see the restoration, you know, next year. So it looks
like does it look like twenty twenty six opening? Do

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you have like opening day set or it's going to
be kind of floating till things.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
No, well, we have opening day set. It's December tenth.
We hope everything stays on plan. We are moving out,
moving out on the golf course now. So like for example,
we've been working a week. We've phrased mode all the
fairways on the front nine, We've reshaped bunkers, we have.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Taken the card path out and.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
Reframed or framed the new card path routing with cement,
with new card paths going in yesterday. Back in the
we're starting a whole four and five sort of back
in the far east corner.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
And so yeah, we're moving and the sooner the better.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
Yeah, any putting up any content like while you're doing this,
like showing the reno, and we are.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
We did a cool video day one.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
So every Monday, well we'll shoot like a content and
a video and hopefully get a couple of interviews with
Jerry and Steve on the design team. We have a
fantastic golf course construction team called Total Golf who they're
out of Mexico, but they live in the Dominican Republic,
and they've been our partners through different golf course projects.
The new greens at Lawer amounta country club, the new

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range at the club, new range that die for, bunker
work throughout the property, car patwork.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Throughout the property.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
So it's a we have a good working relationship and
we're we're excited to get it done.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Make sure you're following Casa Campo dr head to their
website find all the information. I have a feeling we're
gonna be giving away a trip pretty soon again. We
try to give it a give one away a year
and sometimes we do it around our outing as a prize.
Sometimes we do it as an early bird price for
people to sign up for our outing. So we have
some things in the works so our listeners, our followers

(25:06):
have gotten to go there with this because of the show,
which is so cool for us.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So we're hoping to continue that.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
And I'm thinking I might see you in the maybe
the month of the day.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
So I think that's a good idea. I think I
should come up to your outing.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah you should.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
We need.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
Yeah, I'll take some stress away. You take him to
his happy place. So you come up to the outing
Ruth and I are.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Going Yeah, awesome. Robert Burtell, thank you again for joining us.
It's great catching up with you. Looking forward to seeing
your person very soon, and good luck with everything the
rest of the way.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Talk soon, talk soon, Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
All right, let's take a quick break and we will
be right back.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
All right, Welcome back to Swing It and Ding It.
Great catching up with our friend Robert Burtel. Super nice guy, man.
I mean every time we go there, like comes out
and greets us, and you know he's running a hue
huge golf operation there with three golf courses.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean they're training facilities too, they're ranges, the.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Bars at the end of the court, like everything you
could think of is just I think we just.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
Need to have a recap of my trip there when
I'm like in a mood because I just went like
I had such a busy morning and then we started
talking and I'm like reminiscing on everything, even like you
just said, like the practice facility, like I was like
in Sandals, like just hitting you know, chip shots and
flop shots like you know at sunset and with a cocktail.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
On the other hand, well maybe mine was a mocktail.
But yeah, it was. Oh yeah, it's just such a place.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yep. Yeah, and listen, another beautiful place. We have them
here too.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
We have them in the mainland, United States, and one
of Harry Mays's favorite is Tory Pines, right, and the
Farmer's Insurance Open a little bit of this strange tournament,
would you say?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, it had a weird and I don't know, maybe
this is what you're talking about, but watching it, it
just seemed to have.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Like no juice to it. It's yeah, it was really slow.
Team withdraws, Yeah, a lot of with draws. He's getting sick. Yeah,
all these guys got sick.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Ludwig played through it and just fell apart on the
weekend because he just was obviously, you know, impacted by it,
but not enough to where he couldn't play.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
But yeah, it just had a it was a weird
vibe to that tournament.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Maybe part of that had to do with the fact
that they're coming back there in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
I don't know, but I agree with you, Moose. It
was different this year.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, but it was good for Harris English, Yeah,
who lost in a playoff here in twenty fifteen, so
gets a little redemption. A player that you know is
a Ryder Cup player had some ups and downs. There
were rumors of him going to live and he just
is out there grinding and gets another win.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
So good for Harris's English.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And he was close in the US Open when John
Rahm won it there a few years ago. So he's
played that golf course really really well.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
It was.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
It was one of those ones where it just was
it just had a strange feel feel the whole the
whole time. And they didn't officially announce that the Riviera.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Is back there though yet, did they.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, they did, they did officially.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
The Genesis is now going back to tory Pine South
and it'll just be Tory Pine South.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
They'll play all four rounds there, Gosha Genesis.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, okay, all right, good so, but yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
And the broadcast, I mean, it was it was different, man,
it was lifeless.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
I don't really know what.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Maybe it was the fact that maybe Nance is doing
it from Kansas City changed the dynamic with he and
the rest of the guys.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
But it took the final group three hours to play
nine holes. What Yes, and Dottie Pepper was was walking
with that group, and she spouted off about it.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
To her credit, finally somebody said something.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
About how outrageous this is and what a lack of
respect it is for your fellow come, you know, playing
competitors for the broadcast, for the fans. She just tore
into the whole slow play issue, which I was glad
to hear. And three hours to play nine holes move
So I mean seriously, like I get eighteen in I know,
and nothing's at stake, but there's no way it should

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take tour pros three hours to play nine holes.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
Ago was their weather, like, no, admittedly I couldn't match
a moment of it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It was windy, but it you know, it was about it.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, what was the hold up? I really don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I mean it took them almost five hours and forty
minutes to play the eighteen.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
Yeah, I know, I know, sometimes like it is tough,
like when if you have to wait for a ruling
or this or that, but three hours for nine.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's just yeah, absurd, really ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
So that was part of it too. Yeah, the slow play,
I don't I don't know what they do about it.
The only thing that they can do about it, I
think is because they do it on.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
The LPGA tour.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
They're very strict with these women of you know, getting
behind off schedule. They they put them on the clock
and they don't do it to the men. Are they
intimidated some of these guys. Maybe, but they shouldn't be
because you know, you know, put them on the clock
and dock them strokes if they don't get back in line,
and that's the only thing that's going to work.

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Put them in with this narrative of improving the product
and everything else. Like that's that's one thing that we've
continually brought up, Like you know, when golf has like
kind of this ara of being like a snooze fest,
and then it's like who wants to sit down and
you know that you're not seeing enough shots.

Speaker 6 (30:26):
It's three hours for nine holes, Like figure it out.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I don't want to I don't want to watch a
guy line up a putt for two and a half minutes.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
You know.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
Yeah, he just took you just took away my energy
from costa to compo and now I'm thinking about slow play.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
I'm ready to go back to sleep.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
There's no slow play at Costa to compo.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Yeah, no, you're an island down there. Baby.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Well let's let's bring it back.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Let's talk about your your the two of you, and
your experience last week at the Peach texture.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
I didn't even put our picture up hair.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
What the heck?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I know, not a lot of contact being shared back
to the to the home base.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Guys. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
I saw me.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, I saw that was it, and you know, all
my content went to inside golf. Unfortunately, it was like
it wasn't my camera being used, it was Jack Flannagan's.
But we had a we had a great it was.
It was two days of NonStop work. I mean I
was running both days Tuesday and Wednesday outdoors at the
demo day, which was a little bit muted because the

(31:23):
weather was so bad.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
I told you out cursed us. It was a history
of demo days one or two up there. It was
forty eight degrees, rainy, sideways, windy. Yep.

Speaker 9 (31:36):
They Brandon made fun of me packing a beanie for
me and my employees. We got there and I was like,
I should have brought my mittens.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, but we got a you know a couple of
good hours of content recorded. And then the next day
inside this convention center Moose and at Danielle.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
You can attest to this. It's the biggest one I've
ever been in. Now. It was massive, and it was packed.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
There were over eleven hundred exhibitors on the floor, I mean,
and some of these places, like Titleist has this massive
that's where I ran into Danielle, this massive outpost at
the end of the of the hall that was like
three stories high. I saw Michael Breed doing his radio
show in a booth that was like thirty feet above me.

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And I was on the floor and we look to
our left and here's Jim Nance in the Titleist area
and his sport coat. You know, he's dressed really well
and he's gripping and grinning with everybody. And Jack and
I look at each other like do you think we
can And we're like thinking, like why not, Let's just
ask him.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
But you could see he was trying to make his exit, right.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
He's such a pro that he's got his eyes on
everybody in front of him, looking at the badges with
their names on it to see if he either recognizes
somebody's name or maybe recognizes a name that he needs.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
To dart for the door. He's like, I don't want
to talk to this guy.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But he's scanning the room and talk to people, being
so gracious and warm. I walk up to him and
I said, Jim, you might not remember, but you did
my radio show with Tony Bruno on Sirius. And his
eyes immediately lit up when I said Tony's name, and
that broke the ice. He shakes my hand. I said,
would you mind if we asked you two or three

(33:18):
questions on camera for Inside Golf back in Philly. He
goes by all means and we clipped the microphone on
him and boom, we were on and it was great.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
That was a real highlight. Jim Furick.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
We sat with Jim Furick for you know, five to
ten minutes and had an interview with him.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
And that was that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Nico ran into Nico Etcheveria in the Penguin He wears
the penguin gear. Yeah, and he's We walked in and
I said, I wonder if Nico's here, because I knew
he wrapped them.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
I turned to my left and I'm like, there he is,
and we went right up to him. He's talking with
a group of people.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
We butted in and said hey, and I mentioned Brandon's name,
and uh, you know, I was like, when you when
are you moving down to Jupiter?

Speaker 4 (34:05):
He goes, we're moving very soon because that's where they're at.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
And he's like, oh, yeah, I know, Brandon, Bubba, you
mind if we asked you a couple of questions put
on camera.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Absolutely, he's the coolest dude. He's so cool, so nice.
And we hit we got that.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I got Cordell Stewart And you might say, why is
Cordell Stewart there? He you know, obviously a former Steeler quarterback,
but he's repping stricks On. He's he's a shrickx On ambassador.
And they had a pretty big uh you know, set
up there and he's just standing there by himself in
this in the booth. Nobody's talking to him. I don't
know if anybody recognized him, but we did.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
And oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
We walked right up to him, said hey, Cordell, I'd
love to get a couple of minutes. He wouldn't shut up,
like he would have probably given us a half hour,
like he was just going on about football and golf.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
It was great. So that was some of the highlights
of it.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
But man, what a great two days, a great experience,
and uh, you'll be able to see all this stuff
coming up on the upcoming episodes of Inside Golf is.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Coming to start.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Is it kicking off on Sunday this week or still.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I'm not sure when I should text Jack to see
when when it's gonna air.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, we'll share it, We'll make we'll make sure we
share it. Daniel, Yeah, you had a lot going on.
I mean, you were running.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
It was wild. I kind of recapt my day to
a few people.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
I said, one of my employees went and grabbed me
a coffee and breakfast at I think like seven forty five,
and then we threw it away like.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
Five forty five. It was just non stop going. So
Tuesday we were at.

Speaker 9 (35:32):
Demo Day with facts and titleists and Aaron from Vokey Wedge.
So we did that and then jet it back over,
got our credentials checked into the hotel, and then we
went to Chris Como's open forum, where we had several
of our clients, Jason Bale, Brad faxon Como, Tom Stickney,
Mike Melasea, so everybody was there. We were all over

(35:53):
the place, that went until midnight. My poor employees because
they're you know, not golf nerds like we are, but
sitting there just listening to open forums, you know, topic
after topic about just people like geeking out over golf.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
So I enjoyed. It was fun. But that was day
one and then went back.

Speaker 9 (36:11):
I probably worked until about like midnight one o'clock, and
then got up at three point thirty and hit the
ground running again.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
So we did a bunch of hits.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
As Harrow was just saying, the titleist booth, that's like
just humongous. So we went there and we were previewing
all the new Scottie Cameron lines. But I had six
clients that we were just bouncing from spot to spot
to spot. And I'll just fast forward to the highlight
of at least me and my team, and my client
was Jason Baale, Friend of the program. He won the

(36:44):
twenty twenty five National Teacher and Coach of the Year,
so you know that was we first submitted for that
last year and then this year his second time, you know,
after being nominated he won. So just having his family there,
the Jupiter Hills team, you know, Brad, everybody there to

(37:07):
support Jason you know, his one assistant pro. I told her,
I was like, hey, are you coming up with the
awards ceremony. She's like, nah, I don't think I can.
Like I gotta work.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
I'm like, get up here.

Speaker 9 (37:17):
She drove two and a half hours, probably was you know,
three and a half four hours. They were just finishing
the front nine and she got up there like just
in time to see him go on stage. So really
special moment. We're so proud of him. That was really
really cool to see. So they'll have a full award
ceremony and everything else at the next PGA show in Frisco,

(37:40):
but just to see that happen was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
So lots and lots of stops all over the.

Speaker 9 (37:47):
Place, lots of content, lots of filming, lots of social
battery running low. But an awesome, awesome week. Just unfortunately
Harry and we had five seconds. I was like, get
a picture, we gotta go here.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
And she whips out her phone with and it's rigged
up with this this thing with it with.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Like a light around the phone. It's like a whole gay.
It looked like an iPad. And everybody that I was like, man,
look at that.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
She holds it up and it took this great picture
and I've never seen the picture Moose either. Yeah, but uh,
the this week, the Jim Furick interview will be airing,
and then I guess the next week will be more
of the stuff from the demo day and and the show.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
So the Jim Furick he was with Box Toe. Have
you heard of that, Danielle Moose. It's a shoe company
and they make no no, no no.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
But I'm saying Jim Furick is all about these shoes
and they look like the classic foot Joys, Like they're
the old style classic with some different colors. They're really
good looking shoe and he raves about him. So he
was repping them for a while and we got a
good chance to sit with them.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
For to listen to that.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
I forgot to mention we met up with They were like, hey,
you got Jason has you know a hit with like
SPM whatever. I walked over to Michael Collins, I'm like
this guy, So I walk over to him.

Speaker 6 (39:10):
I'm like, i gotta tell you one thing. I was like,
even though Jason's one of my clients, I'm like, he's
a Cowboys fan. And then Jason's like I knew you
were gonna say something, so like, hey.

Speaker 9 (39:20):
Use it if you want, you know whatever. So it's
pretty cool. We got to catch up with him. It's
always good seeing our Philly people.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Collins was going NonStop too. Every time I saw him,
he was interviewing somebody on.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Camera, literally non stop.

Speaker 9 (39:32):
Just sat there, but he was He's like he was
pulling out photos and he was at the game. He
was showing me he got his green shoes on. He's like,
I got the green like I'm repping still. Like he's
just good energy.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
He's good.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
People love it, love it, love it, love it, great stuff.
Did you see our course record guys, by the chance
that we're gonna have on soon?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I did not. Did not.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
We'll get that well, we'll see what that's all about.
Excited to talk to those guys.

Speaker 9 (39:55):
I did have a note with their booth number. But
I'm telling you, like you, you don't have five seconds. And
you know how Harry was saying, like nance was like
looking for an out. That was me with Bratt because
he's so nice and he'll stop and everyone wants an autograph,
a photo or whatever, and it's like Harry saw me
as it probably took me forty five minutes from the
back booth of where Scotty was to get him out,

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and we walk a foot and then someone's like, hey, Brad,
and I'm like, come were what even is behind from
our next hit?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
We gotta go.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
So wrangling is quite a job.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I do it often.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Oh yeah, so you can attest it.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
You gotta wrangle. You got to be the bad guy.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
It's like hurting cats.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Literally, it's somebody with a heisman every now and then.

Speaker 9 (40:38):
You know, you don't want to be rude because he's
like the nicest guy.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
And I'm like, okay, I'll be the bad guy. I'm like,
no more, we gotta.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
She didn't even introduce me to him.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
That's how badly she wanted him out of there.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
Next to him though, he was like speaking, he was
a couple.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Of people, you know, there was a couple of people
in between, but he had a group around him.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Man, he was ye.

Speaker 9 (40:58):
I was like, all right, I got five seconds for
ature with her, and then I was like, come on,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
It's a lot of people. Man, that's a lot of people. Wow,
great stuff. Glad you guys got to experience it. I'd
love to check it out one day. It looks like
a blast.

Speaker 9 (41:09):
Oh you got him, and congrats to Jason. We got
to get him back on here.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I gotta get I gotta get powers down there with me.
It's a lead source down there.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Oh totally.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Oh all day, Yeah, no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
We got to get Como on.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Yeah, Well that was the other thing.

Speaker 9 (41:23):
I have a titleist credential, and I'm at titleist and
then I go over to ping with him and people
are looking at me like what do you got your
camera out here for?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And then I'm going.

Speaker 9 (41:31):
Over to this ricks I'm like, ah, guys, like come on,
I can't have a credential for each guy that I'm.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
With any more.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Tita spill or is that the tea for the week?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (41:41):
No, that was just you know, uh what is it called?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
What was it?

Speaker 9 (41:45):
PGA showed ta see. I don't even I don't even
know what planned I'm on. I'm still at Costata Compo
for this morning. I just want to stay there. Yeah,
let's hear a little bit of tea. So some news
on Xander for his team. He's quote recovering from a
rib cage injury. It's on the right side and it's
an acute intercoastal strain slash micro tear. So we saw

(42:07):
him play in the Century, but it looks like happened
during a preseason workout towards the end of the year.
He was just cleared by doctors to participate again. He's
excited to get out and you know, get back playing.
So we'll see. But we did see him playing, you know,
injured at the Century.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, intercostal injuries with golf man, it's that just takes
time to to heal.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
There's really nothing else you can do.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
Here's me calling him intercoastal just on dr oh Man.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Okay, what else? We got this one from my guy
Harry Mays In a text. JT sent a memo.

Speaker 9 (42:45):
To PGA Tour members and this was obtained by The
Athletic about the importance of players being open and accessible
to the tours TV partners NBC, CBS and ESPN sol down.
Yeah it's not you know, but you know, he basically
just said, like, you know, spend some time with them.

(43:07):
I'm sure many of us feel the telecasts can do better,
so let's help them out with that.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
I'm not gonna read the entire letter, but look, at.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Smiley, Look at Smiley's nothing. That's the thing's great, right,
and it doesn't. It's it's after you're round, right, you're
not the walk and talk. That's I think that's what
they think is the answer to the walk and talk.
But it's like half the time the thing doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It's like there's moments you can create with these guys
if they stick around.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Or before where you can stay around, you can get.

Speaker 9 (43:32):
And you know, you know what I would prefer over
a walk and talk because they've done it on corn before,
is a hot mic.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Oh you want to you know.

Speaker 9 (43:39):
We want to like humanize them and be a little relatable.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
You're a little bomb dropped or whatever.

Speaker 9 (43:46):
Like that's like what makes it more fun because then
you're like, you know, hearing them talk to the ball,
like be good, like we feel like them, you know,
it just makes it more relatable.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
I think that's you know, mich them up. I don't
want to see the walk and talk.

Speaker 9 (43:58):
It's like, yeah, I'm doing this, but actually get out
of my face because I'm competing for hundreds of thousands
or millions of dollars. Like I'm trying to focus and
I don't care what you're trying to say to me
right now.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
It's like that.

Speaker 9 (44:08):
Comes through, you know, sit down after the realm, you
know with Smiley like he's saying, or give them a
hot mic.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, CBS needs to up their game in many different
ways on their broadcast because in my opinion, NBC has
surpassed them now as far as the golf coverage, much
more entertaining broadcast. You get more information, you get you know,
like the Smiley stuff is terrific, so good, it's so
you know, and CBS is stale.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
They're like a stale cracker and.

Speaker 9 (44:37):
They're trying to trying to stay too much to like
the you know, like the classic old school golf where
we have like the slow whisper.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Well, you know what it is.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
You know what that is tradition.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
It's because of their relationship with Augusta National, That's what
it is. Yeah, that's a.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Renewable contract on a yearly basis. From what I understand,
it's like a scholarship. You got to earn it.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
You got to earn it. The next year. You got
to earn it. They never want to lose.

Speaker 9 (45:03):
That, no, So yeah, but you got you gotta learn
to you know, adapt and navigate a little bit.

Speaker 6 (45:10):
So you can still keep that. You can still.

Speaker 9 (45:12):
Obviously keep the masters buttoned up and proper, and you know,
everybody understands up.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
But for everything else, we need to we need to
jug it up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
The guys, the guy who was fun well, they used
to have Charity and he left and then they had
Gary McCord was great, and he's in his seventies and
he's still funny.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know. He added a little levity and a little
juice to the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
They haven't they haven't filled that gap since they let
go of him.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, they got they got some work to do
at and T pro Am really missed an opportunity to
have j Monahan and Pat Monahan in the same group.
We played with well, be played with Pat Monahan when
he was out there. That was awesome and still a friend.
That's just I just love golf with just the relationships
you make. When you were talking about that earlier when

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we started this. But the AM's competing Fred Riley, Jimmy Dunn,
Larry Fitz, Steve Young, Eric Church, Paul Gasol, Mia Hamm.
So yeah, if you guys take a look at the
uh the official pairings sheet.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
JT's playing with Condoleeza Rice.

Speaker 9 (46:17):
There there's some some pretty good uh Scheffler playing.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
With Scottish chefler.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I got he's playing with a chef exactly.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
You saw that. Rory said Jeff should get a chef.
He's like, I was playing with him, like you.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Cook your own food.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
He's like, you made enough money by now, He's like,
get a chef. Figure it out.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Jordan's Spief makes his return to the tour this week.
Looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I'm trying to figure out theatrics at this place.

Speaker 9 (46:46):
I swear what two years ago when we were out there,
Jordan was playing uh pebble and it was howling, like howling,
and they waited for like him to tee off, and
I think he like went like bogie double or something,
and then magically the horn blows.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
I'm like, hm at and T have something to do
with this.

Speaker 9 (47:06):
Yeah, it was just like everybody else, like I remember,
I think it was uh not Harry Higgs. Harry uh
Harry Hall was in the group ahead of us, and
I seen him on a par three, just hammer driver
and sprint to the green to try to mark the ball.
So it was like this for like eight holes or
something like that, and nobody cared.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
And then Jordan T's off and it's like, I'm like,
there you go, all right? Fine? Yeah, so okay, what
other team we have here? Yep, I guess that's kind
of it. I mean there's a bunch.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Of well we'll roll into a T and T, but
let's talk about t GL real quick before we do that.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Oh yeah, it had you know.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Two weeks ago, it was like people were like and
then last week or this week with Tiger, with Tom Kim,
with Rory, I mean, I think everyone was really entertained.
I think some people are just expecting too much from
this for what it is. But me, I enjoy it still,
and I think it really like took another positive step
forward because Harry, like you said, we had a close one.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
Yeah, Rory with the track man out there trying to
see if it's.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
He brought to launch monitors with him just to check
the same.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Did you see I shared the post from my GoF spy.
Did you you know the story with this?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
His whole thing of why this the biggest reason why
this isn't going to be as successful is because the
partner they're using is Tiger's company.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Right for something?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
And they are not considered the best in show at
US And it's all about the tech, and if you're
not using the best tech, you're gonna see guys getting frustrated.
You see, Tiger just crushed one over a Green like that.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Never does that.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
So I don't know if they if they would be
you know, brave enough to pivot and go with like,
what's the best we want to use here?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
But it is interesting to watch that. Yeah, yeah, no
doubt about it.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
We've seen a couple of Green's air mailed in every
one of these episodes, really, but yeah, this week's was
really entertaining. I watched the previous weeks in the hotel
bar without sound, and I watched the entire thing, and
I was trying to really get into it. Evidently there
were no hammers thrown that week, like Jake. It was
JT's week, and it was kind of boring, and I'm

(49:18):
talking with other people about it and they were just like, yeah,
I don't really get this, you know. But then this
past episode I think saved it.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah I really didah. Yeah, so and the stars are
coming out for it still.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah, so it's it's something that's something you will you
want to keep keep seeing going forward and seeing this
where this uh, how this evolve evolves.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
So excited to see it.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
But let's let's head to the at and t Pebble
Beach Pro Am. I after playing Pebble for the first
time this year, I am so pumped to actually watch
this tournament and see the holes. But you know, it's
a signature event, the return of Scottie Scheffler.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Uh, the pro am factor.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
It has everything, it has everything you can want, and
it's Orm and Harry.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And there's only eighty players, so they don't have to
use three golf courses like they typically do for this event.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
So it's just Pebble.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Beach and Spyglass Hill are the two courses, and no
cut so you don't have to worry about, you know,
your one and done player going home on Friday night. So,
but Pebble Beach Golf Links obviously iconic venue. Jack Neville
and Douglas Grant designed this way back in nineteen nineteen,
par seventy two under seven thousand yards. It's one of

(50:29):
the shortest golf courses they play all year long on
the PGA Tour. It's actually eight hundred yards shorter than
Tory Pine South.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Which they just played.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
They haven't had much rain, so the course should be
firm and fast. They're expecting some raine on Friday and Saturday.
Temperatures will be like in the mid fifties. It might
get to sixty, but you'll see a lot of guys
wearing beanies because the wind will you know'll probably be
up and it'll be chilly. But at par five, sixth
Green was rebuilt, so that's going to be a change.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
They've also added fifty trees to the golf course.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Of course, they're getting ready to host the US Open
coming up in twenty twenty seven. Average green size moose
get this thirty five hundred square feet, similar to my
home club, the nineteen twelve club, and Poa Grass poa
Anna too, which is similar ten point five on the stimpmeter,
so they don't run super fast. The fairways, rough approaches

(51:24):
and collars are all Rye Grass and Poanna. One hundred
and sixteen sand bunkers, and the only water hazard is
the Pacific Ocean and Stillwater Cove. The highest point in
the property is the fifteenth t the lowest is sea
level on the eighteenth fairway. The other course, Spyglass, was
Robert Trent Jones design in the sixties nineteen sixty six,
been renovated a few times. Par seventy two seven forty

(51:48):
one yards average green size a little bit larger five
thousand square square feet, poe aana grass and rye, as
well sixty two bunkers, four water hazards, and thirty trees
were recent lost in a storm late last year the
end of last year, including the cypress tree that used
to sit in the middle of the sixteenth fairway on

(52:09):
Spyglass Hill.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
So, uh, those are the two iconic venues and moose
you have you played Spyglass was that at of your trip?
So what did you think of that?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Because that's a that's a different golf course than than Pebble.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Totally different golf course.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
It was tough.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
We played it early in the morning and the fog
was in, so the first couple of holes where you
could see everything.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
We couldn't see anything, okay, and then it you know,
a couple of the holes. It kind of just felt
like a you know, mountains type type of course. Yeah,
and there was some renovation going on.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You know, it's hard when you played Pebble Beach the
day before to to compare anything to it, but you know,
absolutely beautiful golf course. But I mean Pebble Beach, there's
there's you can't compare anything to that golf course.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I've never seen anything like it ever.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
And you can and you.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Can play Pebble Beach at the Penn Club on second
right in Conja Hocken, and they've got I've actually played
it a couple of holes on it in practice for
you know, a couple of weeks ago. That's available there
and they do have a four month membership now available
at the Penn Club on second, so you know it
gets you through you know these you know the late
winter early spring months where you know getting outside is

(53:15):
not not guaranteed. So that would take you right through
April and get you ready for the meat of the
golf season.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
So check out the four month membership.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Check it out Penn Club on second, sponsors of the
course of course with Harry Mays of course. So when
we see the line here Harry moving into that. Yeah,
last last year obviously wind them Clark with the win
Oberg you had Pavan, you had Hubbard, you had Hogi
with a T five, who's been playing well.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Chef's won there before.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, and he's got some pretty decent odds. He does
Scheffler with with the with the T six with j T.
And even our guy Eric Cole was was in the
neighborhood and I think he's he had a top fifteen
here he was fourteen.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
There's some room with him on the board. I actually
took Cantle in the one and done.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
The most popular pick in one and Done's.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Wasn't really Yes, it's funny too because I'm like, do
I save him because he's a guy who went a
major and I thought about it, but he has a
third or fourth to eleven places here California guy T
five in the MX. So's he's hot, he's playing well.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I could see Ludwig absolutely taking this thing down the
way he's playing at eighteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I also like JT.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
At four second popular pick in one and done is JT.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I am fading Scheffler.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
He's got a lot going on, talking about having to
build up scar tissue in his hand after making his
raviolis with the wineglass in a rental home.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
A lot as a lot going on there.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Although he played a practice round. I forget if it
was at Cyprus or Monterey Peninsula this week, and in
his first six holes was six hunder park.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It's nothing fazes this guy.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Man Todd Lewis from Golf Channel rolled that nugget out last.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's unbelievable. Y.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I actually like Maverick McNeely plus thirte hundred in a
top five. I'm gonna go Hogy twelve hundred in a
top five and Eric Cole six fifty in a top ten.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Some of our usual guys that we roll.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
With I have good, good stuff, Moose.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I like Colin Marikawa in a top ten at plus
one twenty. You go back through what he's done over
the past year. He's got like ten top tens. He
just hasn't won, but he's been playing some brilliant golf.
Another California guy I think he'll play well, Jason Day
has a great history here. I'm probably might be using
him in my one and done at top ten at

(55:35):
plus two fifty looks pretty good. You mentioned Mad McNeely
top twenty at plus one fifty, and Nick Taylor is
another guy who's playing well, has a win already this
year and plays really well here. I think he's won
here in the past too, Top twenty at plus one
eighty five for the Canadian two matchups stood out to

(55:55):
me Shane Lowry at minus one twenty five over Tony Finow.
Actually that was the only one that stood out to me,
Lowry over Feenau. But yeah, you mentioned one and Done's
can't lay. JT and Colin Moricau are the top three
picks in one and Done.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Interesting?

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
When is your When is your next golf adventures coming up?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Isn't it adventure? No?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I got to do inside Golf on Thursday over at Lulu.
But as far as my next trip, we're going to
be playing something probably the end of February early March.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Okay, I know you're thinking stream Song right.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Well, that's in May. That's that's booked. God, Yeah, that's
already booked.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That we're going to do in Bayhill for one night
and then playing the golf course the next day on
a Friday, then driving the stream Song to play back
to back Saturday Sunday, thirty six whole days and then
fly home Monday. That's already booked. Yeah, I'm looking forward
to that.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
That's tremendous that's tremendous, great stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
All right, Well, thanks for listening, Thank you for Thank
you to Robert Bertel for hopping back on.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Make sure you check out Costa the Campo. Get there.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I guarantee you will not be disappointed. You will never
have a better time on a golf trip, whether you're
taking your wife, couples, or your boys.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
It's been there.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I've been there with both and equally as incredible both times. Right,
you could do it a couple of different ways, So
high praise, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Tremendous place. All right, thanks for listening.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
To be back next week to listen, swing it and
ding it.