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To night, Michael Brown joins me here the former FEMA
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Brown USSA. So this is I'm not really sure this
is the forum to do what I'm about to do,
but I'm going to try to do it because it's
it's a very nuanced issue, but it's an issue that
if I accomplish nothing else, I just want you to
think about it. That's all I want you to do
is think about it. And I don't and I and
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I don't claim that I'm going to have the answers
because quite honestly, I don't have the answers because it's convoluted,
it's complex. But I think the media is treating it
way too generally or superficially, way too bigoted, way to partisan,
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and and they're and they're not trying to inform, they're
just trying to throw it out there and they're using
it as a baseball bat. Both sides are using this
as a baseball bat.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, it has to do with deportations, because that seems
to you know, it's it's kind of interesting when you
think about the fact that if I were to go
back and analyze all of the voting data that I
could find, you would probably come to the realization that
illegal immigration, border security all wrapped up into one ball
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of wax was the primary reason that Donald Trump got elected.
The economy was probably secondary, although that was a main issue.
They're probably interchangeable, but I still maintained that if you
really squeezed down into the data that immigration and deportations,
border security would have squeezed out, still been number one,
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even if it was only by you know, a tenth
of a percent or something, that was still the primary
thing that we wanted stopped. And part of the reason
for that is just like even on the secondary issues
like national security, foreign affairs, or the economy, the previous
administration had kind of reached the natier. They had kind
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of reached the apex, if you will, of pushing those
progressive policies down our throats. And the problem with doing that,
you know, progressive progressivism, if you go back in history,
really started always Mark Woodrow Wilson, but to some degree
maybe even Theodore Roosevelt obviously FDR. But progressivism was the
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idea that our society is going to progress, which I
believe that it should. But in the terms of the
progressives who are the modern day Marxists, it really means
larger government, bigger government, more government control over your lives.
It's the decimation of a free market, it's the decimation
of capitalism, it's globalism. It's the new world order. It
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is government telling you how to live your life. You know,
everything from the kind of house you're going to live,
into your mode of transportation, just control over everything. And
it's not just the federal government, oh my gosh, it's
not just the federal government. It's state government, it's local government,
and it's the administrative state, often referred to as a
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deep state. All the bureaucrats that comprise all of those
things at every level of government, that make up all
these rules and regulations. Oftentimes without any input from the
legislative branch, whether that be a city council, the state legislature,
or the US Congress, they just pass a local ordinance,
or they pass a state law, or they pass a
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federal statute, and then just say, we're too busy, you know,
we're too busy fundraising, we're too busy trying to get
the next vote, trying to win the next election. So
here's the general overarching law that we passed. Now you
go make the rules, and so we end up being
controlled by unelected bureaucrats. And it happens at every level,
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so that progressivism proceeds forward and little by little, inch
by inch and then you know, yard by yard and
then mile by mile, they start grabbing a little more power,
and you start losing a little more of your individual
rights and your individual freedom and in your individual liberty.
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And as that takes place, and as that concrete solidifies,
then boom, you've got a new step in those steps,
that stairway to Marxism. Well, what happened is as you
as you start making that progression, you start moving faster
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and faster and faster, and then there's a point where
and this really began or culminated, I don't want to
say culminate. The beginning of the end was Barack Obama,
and Barack Obama announces quite openly that we're going to
fundamentally transform the United States of America. Anybody who's listening
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to me back during that time period said, that is
the warning side sign. That is them saying the quiet
part out loud. That is them saying that now now
that we've been elected, now that we are the ones
that you know, have been chosen to you know for
this time, in this moment, we are now going to
fundamentally transform the United States of America. And even even
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Big Mike, even even Michelle Obama stepped in and said, yes,
Barack believes that we're going to have to redo our history.
What the hell's that mean? Our history is our history.
It is what it is. You can't go back. Well,
I mean people try all the time, but you can't
go back and revise history. I can't change what I
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did yesterday. All I can do is learn from it.
And if I made mistakes yesterday, not repeat those mistakes.
Or if I did something great, then I can look
and see, Okay, how did I do that? How could
I do it even better? That's what history is. So
when someone tells me we're going to have to go
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back and revise our history, oh wait a minute, Wait
a minute, No, the history is what it is. Now.
People may teach the history different or differently. They may
try to convince you that the history is not what
it was, but nonetheless, you can't change what actually occurred.
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So where's that lead us? It lead us to. It
led us to Barack Obama, and he had a choice.
He had two things that he could focus on. He
could focus on socialized medicine, which is a precursor. You know,
I just finished watching a documentary about Winston Churchhill during
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his World War Actually I covered his entire life, but
it primarily focused on World War Two. And there was
there's a line in there in that documentary that as
the Allies were beginning to win the war on the
European Front, the Brits were seeing this shining light at
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the end. You know, the London Blitz was over, the
Allies had moved in. We had come in and helped
save the Britz. We were, you know, we were retaking Paris.
The Russians were moving the Soviet Union was moving in
on the Eastern Front, and they were about to liberate Berlin.
And the local politics in the United Kingdom, people got
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really excited because they saw the light at the end
of the tunnel, and so that new found liberation made
them feel like, oh, our government can do anything. And
that is the moment that Winston church Hill lost the election.
Shortly after Berlin was taken over by the by the
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Soviet Union, we had recaptured Paris and Hitler had finally
committed suicide, and the people of Britain kicked out Winston Churchhill,
who had saved their country. They kicked him out and said,
but we want to go a new direction now. Now
that we've been liberated. We want all these government programs.
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We want the National Health Service, and the National Health Service.
Socialized medicine allows you to control the population. So Barack Obama,
in a parallel to the United Kingdom, came in and said,
I could either focus on pushing immigration, illegal immigration, or
I can focus on fundamentally transforming America through healthcare through Obamacare.
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And so that's what he did. He chose Obamacare. That
led us to what happened in the Biden administration. Because
now that had been done, it's begin with Michael Brown.
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go back to So Obama gets elected, and Obama has
a choice. If he's going to fundamentally transform America, he's
going to do exactly one thing that's similar to what
Brientz did. Shortly after it became clear we were going
to win, at least on the European front, we were
going to win World War two, they kicked out Winston Churchill,
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a conservative prime minister. They brought in I forged his
name Adlete, not because they the ad Lite Stevenson, but
it's not that it's his name was. That'll come to
me in a minute. But anyway, they elect a labor
prime minister on the grounds that they want to enact
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all of these new social programs, such as the National
Health Service, socialized medicine. So similarly, over here Obama is
looking at everything that he wants to do. He's got
a Democrat controlled Congress, he controls the White House. So
what's the one thing that they couldn't otherwise get shoved through?
That's the most important thing to them. Well, oh, that
would be socialized medicine Obamacare, and thus begins the fundamental
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transformation of America. And that is their first major step
that I would say is the gigantic leap has kind
of been going slowly, slowly, slowly all the way through
FDR and LBJ, and finally Obama comes along and pushes
us over the edge. And then Trump comes in and
disrupts everything for four years. So the Democrats do everything
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they can to keep Trump from governing by all of
the impeachment blocking him. Of course, he doesn't have both
houses of Congress, so it's pretty easy to block him.
So they block everything that can happen. And then we
get to the twenty twenty. We get to the next
election and Biden wins. Now, set aside all the controversy,
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over all of the voting irregularities, everything else, just accept
the Biden one because that again, that's history. You can't
change it. Biden won. And even if we could prove fraud,
even if we could prove that there was all this
cheating going on, it doesn't change. And you can't go
back and undo that it's been done. There's no constitutional
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provision or process by which you can go back and
unwind everything that was done. Oh, there would be political fallout,
there would be political ramifications. But many people have asked, well,
why can't we just undo everything that Biden did? Well,
we can, but we have to do it politically. But
let's go back to what happened when Biden won, whether
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it was him or surrogates, which obviously is questionable because
I don't think that he I think even in twenty
twenty he didn't have it, he didn't have his act together.
So what does Biden do? Well, Biden takes the second
leg of what Obama wanted to do, and that's immigration,
and he opened the floodgates because through national health you
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can control the population. Because what's more integral to your
life than your health, and your health is determined by
almost everything. What you breathe, what you eat, how you live,
everything affects your health, which allows the government to go
out and start controlling anything they want to control, all
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into the guise of well, you know Medicare, Medicaid and
everything else. Well, you know we're going to pay for this,
We're not going to pay for that. You got to
do this, you got to do that. I mean, it's
it's just integral to government control. Then the second aspect,
and this is all again part of the Howard uh
Cloward Piven strategy of overwhelming the system. Well, look what
they've done with the medical system. It's overwhelmed. Right now
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in many states half the population or more is on
some sort of government health program. So we've kind of
reached almost peak socialized medicine, not quite nowhere on the
road to it. Well, the second stool of that whole
takel over of that fundamental transformation is flood the country
with illegal aliens, Flood the country with people who don't
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share our culture, our values, who don't even understand how
to live in this country, who come from crime ridden
craphole countries, and you put them in here and they
most of them, not all of them, but most of
them end up doing what going on the government tea,
which means that, oh, now they're going to vote whoever's
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you want to keep giving them handouts. And we witnessed
all of this, and then we saw the government spending,
which was the third leg of that fundamental transformation, overwhelm
the system, enact the Inflation Reduction Act, enact the Infrastructure
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Rebuilding Act, implement all of these bills that took the
COVID spending, which was outrageous, which party was Trump's fault.
But take all of that level of spending. You know,
we used to have like a three or four trillion
dollar budget. Well let's bump it up seven trillion dollars
by doing all this emergency spending. And then you get
Biden and he wants to do inflation reduction and everything else.
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And now you've got a new baseline of government spending.
Instead of three or four trillion dollars, it's five, six,
seven trillion dollars. So now you've overwhelmed the system in
terms of the economy. And we saw we saw the
effects of that inflation, the loss of jobs. Business is
shutting down. You know, I noticed today it was kind
of interesting today. I was thinking about this. I go
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through Sonic drive in. For those of you that don't
understand what sonic drive in is, that's just a it's
kind of like a it's like an original in and
out or an original mcdonal. It's it's just a it's
a drive in. They usually have stalls where you can
pull your car in, or you can do a drive through,
but most of them have three rows of stalls. And
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this one that I drove through today to get a
you know, to get a route forty four diet colake
to drink during a show, I noticed that two entire
rolls of rows of stalls have been converted. Where you
used to be able to pull in an order of
the speaker. No, no more. They've taken all those speakers out.
And it's just a it's a simple local example of
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how overspending and COVID and everything fundamentally transformed. How many
places do business? How many closed storefronts do you see?
How many strip malls do you see where you know
thirty percent or more of the businesses are shut down.
We see that right here in downtown Denver. The sixteenth
Street so called mall in downtown Denver is only about
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maybe sixty percent occupied. The rest of it's vacant. And
all that's because of government overspending and people can't do
business anymore over regulations. That's the fundamental transformation of America,
and we've revolted against it, and now Trump is pushing
back against it. So that's kind of where and how
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we've gotten to where we are. Now let's get into
the history lesson about what Trump's talking about doing and
see if you're not revulsed by it? And should you
wait till you hear the history. So Weeken with Michael Brown,
Take somewhere, Michael, Michael too, three three, one zero three.
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I really appreciate you doing this, So go subscribe to
the podcast. So here we are. We've gone through Woodrow, WILSONFTYR,
and LBJ, and we've gone through Barack Obama. We've gone
through Joe Biden and we've reached this culmination of the
American people look at everything going on and we revolt
against it and just say, no, this is absurd. We
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can't afford the government spending. We can't have all these
illegal aliens coming in the government control over our lives
is out of control. We want to reverse course. I
never thought it would happened in my lifetime, but it's happened.
And of course the pushback against that is in full
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bloom because the globalists, the cabal, the media, the Democrats,
some a bunch of a bunch of Republicans that are
a bunch of weasels. People who do not understand the
basic tenets of individual freedom, individual liberty, who don't understand
the basic tenants of the Constitution, are now in full
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bore pushing against Donald Trump and Donald Trump and his cabinet.
I don't always agree with everything that either Trump says
or how he says it, but I do agree with
this pushback, and we need to look at it in
a historical context to understand that sometimes we don't know
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our own history, and we allow that to blind us
and say, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're doing this.
I can't believe that Trump's doing this. I can't believe
the staff is saying this would Indeed, if we had
had the cabal say back during the American Civil War,
we'd all be going, oh, yeah, it's just another day ending.
And why are you ready? Let's get started on that,
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because yesterday Stephen Miller, who is the one of Trump's
chief policy advisors special Assistant to the President, was out
on Pebble Beach, which is the North Portico Driveway, talking
to reporters, and he had this to say.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Tell me, is this a question back there for everyway?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Quick watch? First, you know President Trump has talked about
testily spending the sports business.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The question starts out with, you know, the president has
talked about suspending habeas corpus. Uh, what is habeas corpus?
Do you know what that means? Well, it's just a
basic fundamental legal principle that ensures anyone, anybody who is
in custody can challenge the legality of their detention in court.
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It's a very simple, long standing legal mechanism. It protects
against unlawful imprisonment, It protects and deters indefinite detention. It
serves as a safeguard against arbitrary and executive power. The
literally translates from habeas corpus meaning you shall have the body,
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meaning that a judge, and this is true at state
court judges federal judges. A judge can order the custodian
of a detainee law enforcement ICE CBP, anybody who has
control over you, who has arrested you and detained you,
to bring them before the court to determine the legality
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of their confinement. So that's the basis of the question.
It's just hard to hear that reporter in the background anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Panda quick flashes. First, you know President Trump has bocktop
Testier spending the escorphists to taking here of the illegalistration
troump Wait could we see that happen?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
If you think, well, the Constitution is clear and that,
of course is the supreme law of the land, that
the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be
suspended in a time of innovationion, So it would say
that's an option we're actively looking at. Look, a lot
of it depends on whether the courts through the right
thing or not. At the end of the day, Congress
passed the body of law known as the Immigration Nationality Act,
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which stripped Article three courts. That's the judicial branch of
a jurisdiction over immigration cases. So Congress actually passed is
called jurisdiction stripping legislation. It passed a number of laws
that say that the Article three courts aren't even allowed
to be involved in immigration cases.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And the Article three courts are established in the Constitution.
They're establishing the constitution by saying that there is a
Supreme Court of the United States. That's Article three of
the Constitution, the US Supreme Court. But Congress can enact
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and create as many lower courts as Congress deems appropriate.
So that's where you get a federal district court in
all these six hundred plus whatever it is, jurisdiction across
the country, and they can establish courts of appeals if
they want to, and they can even establish what the
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jurisdiction is. That's the power given to Congress. That power
is contained in Article three. So when Stephen Miller refers
to Article three courts, he's talking about, for example, the
Federal District Court of Colorado, which sits in Denver. He's
also talking about the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, which
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sits in Denver, ironically, but he may be he's also
talking about, for example, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals,
which sits in San Francisco, or the Fifth Circuit Court
of Appeals, which sits in New Orleans. And so that's
the hierarchy of courts, the federal trial courts, the district courts,
and then the courts of appeal, and then the US
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Supreme Court. The U s Supreme Court is the only
one that the Founders established in the US Constitution. All
courts are established by Congress, and they're given that authority
by the Founders in Article three of the US Constitution,
including what their jurisdiction is. Got it. So this is
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what Stephen Miller is literally kind of lecturing these reporters about, you're.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Taking here of the illegal auseration proper? When could we
see that happen with day?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, the Constitution is clear, and that of course is
the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of
the written of habeas corpus can be suspended in a
time of innovasion. So it's an option we're actively looking at. Look,
a lot of it depends on whether the courts do
the right thing or not. At the end of the day,
Congress passed the body of law known as the Immigration
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Nationality Act, which stripped Article three courts. That's the judicial
branch of a jurisdiction over immigration cases. So Congress actually
passed is called jurisdiction stripping legislation. It passed a number
of laws that say that the Article three courts aren't
even the lallowed to be involved in immigration cases. Many
of you probably don't know this. I'll give you a
good example. Are you familiar with the term Temporary protect
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the Status or TPS. Right, So, by statute, the courts
are stripped of jurisdiction from overruling a presidential determination or
a secretarial determination on TPS when the Secretary of Homelansecurity
makes that determination. So in Secretary Nome terminated TPS for
the illegals that Biden flew into the country. When courts
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stepped in, they were violating explicit language that Congress had
enacted saying they have no jurisdiction. So it's not just
the courts aren't just at war with the executive branch.
The courts are at war, these radical road judges with
the legislative branch as well too. So all of that
will inform the choice that the president ultimately makes.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yes, mister Miller.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So what's going on, just to put it in context,
is that many people, lawyers, and many legal organizations like
the ACLU or any other immigrant advocacy group that represents
illegal aliens, are filing writs of habeas corpus trying to
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stop the detention of illegal aliens. Got it all right? Now,
let's think about our history for a moment. Raise your
hand if you think that Abraham Lincoln was one of
the greatest presidents in American history. Have you ever been
to Lincoln Memorial? It is all inspiring and I greatly
admire Abraham Lincoln. There are some things that Abraham Lincoln
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did that troubled me. But they may trouble me, but
I find that Abraham Lincoln had the absolute authority to
do so. Do you know that Abraham Lincoln suspended the
writ of habeas corpus multiple times during the Civil War,
and he cited the need to address the rebellion. He
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cited the need to protect national security. Lincoln very first
suspended a hapeas corpus in April of eighteen sixty one
in the state of Maryland because he was trying to
suppress pro Confederate activities and secure Washington, d c. By
authorizing military arrests of civilians without a trial. Oh my god,
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this sounds like a violation of the Constitution. Now, he
expanded that nationally in September of eighteen sixty two because
he was trying to combat draft resistance and anti war descent.
So the president that we have this grand memorial to that,
we put on a pedestal, that we have schools named
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after that. Everyone looks up and says, oh, my gosh.
Abraham Lecland was one of the greatest presidents in the
history of this country. And I do believe that he
was suspended the rid of hapeas corpus. Now the rationale
he justified doing so under Article one, Section nine the Constitution,
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which is what Stephen Miller was referring to, which permits,
quote in cases of rebellion or invasion close quote for
public safety, you can suspend the rid of habeas corpus.
Do we have a case of rebellion going on? Probably not.
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Do we have a case of invasion going on? Certainly
appears that way, because when you have hundreds of thousands
of illegal aliens that invade the country, that are told
by a former president or a staff or whoever the
hell's in charge. Just come on in. Just in fact,
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we're gonna give you an app to put on your
on your iPhone that just allows you to fill out,
you know, check the boxes and then just you know,
hit send and then just come on in and we'll
turn our backs. In fact, we'll even babysit for you.
We'll even get your medical attention. We'll even put you
on a an airplane or a bus and send you somewhere. Yeah,
think about that, Just think about that for a second.
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It's the Weekend with Mike. Oh were the history lesson
continues because I want you to understand that what we're
witnessing now Ecclesiastes addressed, there's nothing new under the sun.
We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend
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with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. I
appreciate you tuning in. Go give me a following exits
that Michael Brown. USA. So Lincoln, Lincoln decided to suspend
the rid of Habeas corpus, the very same thing that
Trump is considering. Now, why did he do it? Well?
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He argued that In a message to Congress, he emphasized
that the Union itself was at stake. He said, are
all the laws but one to go unexecuted and the
government itself go to pieces, lets that one law be violated.
He was arguing that the Confederacy's secession and the urgency
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of the Civil War itself required extraordinary measures to prevent sabotage,
troop obstruction, disloyalty. Well, you can make a parallel argument
that the invasion of illegals, particularly during the Biden administration.
You know, for decades for presidents going all the way back,
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even before Reagan, we always had all the way back
to Eisenhower, who in nineteen fifty four implemented Operation Wetback
to remove illegal aliens from the country and take them
back across the Vilogrande River. But now you fast forward
to the Biden four years and we have literally hundreds
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of thousands of people invading our country every single day,
and the law enforcement falls apart. School's overwhelmed, hospitals are overwhelmed,
the social safety net is overwhelmed. The country is literally
being destroyed from within by people who come here illegally
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and unlawfully, including people from enemy countries. China, I'm looking
at you. Yeahmen, I'm looking at you. Iran, I'm looking
at you. Russia, I'm looking at you. They're invading the country.
And Trump says, you know, I'm going to put a
stop to this. So, as you would expect, there was
because Lincoln was a Republican, there was Democrat outrage. Clement
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valing Dingham, a Democrat congressman, accused Lincoln of does this
sound familiar tyranny? Because Lincoln arrested some peace Democrats, and
of course that made people even more pissed off. The
Chicago Times wasemporarily shut down by Lincoln, and that fuel
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claims that Lincoln was acting like an authoritarian. Does that
sound familiar? Now Trump hasn't shut down the press. Oh,
he attacks the press, but he hasn't shut them down.
He sued them, but he hasn't shut them down. And
then you had public arrest erupt Oh, golle. This sounds
like sounds like history repeating itself, doesn't it It? States
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like Indiana and Ohio, where the anti suspension of the
rid of Habeas corpus sentiment almost caused a civil war
within the Union. Within the states north of the Mason
Dixon line. So, oh, let's look at Columbia University, Let's
look at Harvard, Let's look at Black Lives Matter, let's
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look at the Mohammas protesters in this country. The same
things happening again. And then in Congress he had partisan splits,
though Republicans ultimately past something in eighteen sixty three, which
was called the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act of eighteen sixty three,
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which codified the authority of Abraham Lincoln retroactively to overcome
the Supreme Court case in exparte Merriment, in which Justice
Tainty ruled that Lincoln's suspension unconstitutional, asserting only Congress could
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suspend Habeas corpus. So Congress said, okay, well, then find
we'll do it too. We're going through exactly the same
thing again. There was another Supreme Court ruling in eighteen
sixty six, exparte Milligan, that rule that military tribunals were
unconstitutional and only civilian courts were operational. So indirectly they
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were critiquing Lincoln's policies. The public got split. There was arguments.
Congress ultimately stepped in and said, well, we think he
has the power, but since the Supreme Court said you
don't have that power, which is explicit in the Constitution.
The Congress said, well, we'll go ahead and we'll retroactively
approve it, and then in other words, killed the Supreme
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Court's decision. Now, ultimately, Lincoln ignored the U. S. Supreme
Court and continued with his actions. He argued that the
suspensions were critical to preserving the Union, and he avoided
creating martyrs by commuting sentences. In other words, nobody was
going to be found guilty of treason. We were going
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to let all of the you know, the southern Southern
Confederate soldiers, we were going to let them go. We're
not going to do anything. Now, the legacy of all
of that remains debated, particularly in discussion in any discussion
balancing civil liberties and national security. But the point is
this is the the debate we've been having in this
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country since its founding. So there you have it. Oh,
we've been through this before. Now Lincoln prevailed. Whether or
not Trump will prevail, or whether or not Congress will
have the cajones to step in and support Trump in
this effort remains to be seen. But when you hear tyranny,
(36:26):
when you hear authoritarianism, when you hear all of those
things screamed about Donald Trump, Just remember the one of
the presidents who has one of the largest memorials on
the National Mall, revered by many. Go look at a
five dollar bill, Go look at the crowds, Look at
the civil rights marches, look at the eye have a
(36:49):
dream speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Oh yeah,
that guy, Abraham Lincoln. He was a tyrant, he was
an authoritarian, He abused the Constitution, he ignored the US
Supreme Court. Oh gee, think about your history. It's the
weekend with Michael Brown. Texta word Michael, Michael to three three,
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Brown USSA. So this is I'm not really sure this
is the forum to do what I'm about to do,
but I'm going to try to do it because it's
it's a very nuanced issue, but it's an issue that
if I accomplish nothing else, I just want you to
think about it. That's all I want you to do
is think about it. And I don't and I and
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I don't claim that I'm going to have the answers
because quite honestly, I don't have the answers because it's convoluted,
it's complex. But I think the media is treating it
way too generally or superficially, way too bigoted, way to partisan,
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and and they're and they're not trying to inform, they're
just trying to throw it out there and they're using
it as a baseball bat. Both sides are using this
as a baseball bat.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, it has to do with deportations, because that seems
to you know, it's it's kind of interesting when you
think about the fact that if I were to go
back and analyze all of the voting data that I
could find, you would probably come to the realization that
illegal immigration, border security all wrapped up into one ball
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of wax was the primary reason that Donald Trump got elected.
The economy was probably secondary, although that was a main issue.
They're probably interchangeable, but I still maintained that if you
really squeezed down into the data that immigration and deportations,
border security would have squeezed out, still been number one,
(02:39):
even if it was only by you know, a tenth
of a percent or something, that was still the primary
thing that we wanted stopped. And part of the reason
for that is just like even on the secondary issues
like national security, foreign affairs, or the economy, the previous
administration had kind of reached the natier. They had kind
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of reached the apex, if you will, of pushing those
progressive policies down our throats. And the problem with doing that,
you know, progressive progressivism, if you go back in history,
really started always Mark Woodrow Wilson, but to some degree
maybe even Theodore Roosevelt obviously FDR. But progressivism was the
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idea that our society is going to progress, which I
believe that it should. But in the terms of the
progressives who are the modern day Marxists, it really means
larger government, bigger government, more government control over your lives.
It's the decimation of a free market, it's the decimation
of capitalism, it's globalism. It's the new world order. It
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is government telling you how to live your life. You know,
everything from the kind of house you're going to live,
into your mode of transportation, just control over everything. And
it's not just the federal government, oh my gosh, it's
not just the federal government. It's state government, it's local government,
and it's the administrative state, often referred to as a
(04:12):
deep state. All the bureaucrats that comprise all of those
things at every level of government, that make up all
these rules and regulations. Oftentimes without any input from the
legislative branch, whether that be a city council, the state legislature,
or the US Congress, they just pass a local ordinance,
or they pass a state law, or they pass a
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federal statute, and then just say, we're too busy, you know,
we're too busy fundraising, we're too busy trying to get
the next vote, trying to win the next election. So
here's the general overarching law that we passed. Now you
go make the rules, and so we end up being
controlled by unelected bureaucrats. And it happens at every level,
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so that progressivism proceeds forward and little by little, inch
by inch and then you know, yard by yard and
then mile by mile, they start grabbing a little more power,
and you start losing a little more of your individual
rights and your individual freedom and in your individual liberty.
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And as that takes place, and as that concrete solidifies,
then boom, you've got a new step in those steps,
that stairway to Marxism. Well, what happened is as you
as you start making that progression, you start moving faster
(05:38):
and faster and faster, and then there's a point where
and this really began or culminated, I don't want to
say culminate. The beginning of the end was Barack Obama,
and Barack Obama announces quite openly that we're going to
fundamentally transform the United States of America. Anybody who's listening
(06:01):
to me back during that time period said, that is
the warning side sign. That is them saying the quiet
part out loud. That is them saying that now now
that we've been elected, now that we are the ones
that you know, have been chosen to you know for
this time, in this moment, we are now going to
fundamentally transform the United States of America. And even even
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Big Mike, even even Michelle Obama stepped in and said, yes,
Barack believes that we're going to have to redo our history.
What the hell's that mean? Our history is our history.
It is what it is. You can't go back. Well,
I mean people try all the time, but you can't
go back and revise history. I can't change what I
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did yesterday. All I can do is learn from it.
And if I made mistakes yesterday, not repeat those mistakes.
Or if I did something great, then I can look
and see, Okay, how did I do that? How could
I do it even better? That's what history is. So
when someone tells me we're going to have to go
(07:08):
back and revise our history, oh wait a minute, Wait
a minute, No, the history is what it is. Now.
People may teach the history different or differently. They may
try to convince you that the history is not what
it was, but nonetheless, you can't change what actually occurred.
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So where's that lead us? It lead us to. It
led us to Barack Obama, and he had a choice.
He had two things that he could focus on. He
could focus on socialized medicine, which is a precursor. You know,
I just finished watching a documentary about Winston Churchhill during
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his World War Actually I covered his entire life, but
it primarily focused on World War Two. And there was
there's a line in there in that documentary that as
the Allies were beginning to win the war on the
European Front, the Brits were seeing this shining light at
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the end. You know, the London Blitz was over, the
Allies had moved in. We had come in and helped
save the Britz. We were, you know, we were retaking Paris.
The Russians were moving the Soviet Union was moving in
on the Eastern Front, and they were about to liberate Berlin.
And the local politics in the United Kingdom, people got
(08:37):
really excited because they saw the light at the end
of the tunnel, and so that new found liberation made
them feel like, oh, our government can do anything. And
that is the moment that Winston church Hill lost the election.
Shortly after Berlin was taken over by the by the
(09:00):
Soviet Union, we had recaptured Paris and Hitler had finally
committed suicide, and the people of Britain kicked out Winston Churchhill,
who had saved their country. They kicked him out and said,
but we want to go a new direction now. Now
that we've been liberated. We want all these government programs.
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We want the National Health Service, and the National Health Service.
Socialized medicine allows you to control the population. So Barack Obama,
in a parallel to the United Kingdom, came in and said,
I could either focus on pushing immigration, illegal immigration, or
I can focus on fundamentally transforming America through healthcare through Obamacare.
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And so that's what he did. He chose Obamacare. That
led us to what happened in the Biden administration. Because
now that had been done, it's begin with Michael Brown.
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(10:08):
after Obama. I'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to
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go back to So Obama gets elected, and Obama has
a choice. If he's going to fundamentally transform America, he's
going to do exactly one thing that's similar to what
Brientz did. Shortly after it became clear we were going
to win, at least on the European front, we were
going to win World War two, they kicked out Winston Churchill,
(11:10):
a conservative prime minister. They brought in I forged his
name Adlete, not because they the ad Lite Stevenson, but
it's not that it's his name was. That'll come to
me in a minute. But anyway, they elect a labor
prime minister on the grounds that they want to enact
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all of these new social programs, such as the National
Health Service, socialized medicine. So similarly, over here Obama is
looking at everything that he wants to do. He's got
a Democrat controlled Congress, he controls the White House. So
what's the one thing that they couldn't otherwise get shoved through?
That's the most important thing to them. Well, oh, that
would be socialized medicine Obamacare, and thus begins the fundamental
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transformation of America. And that is their first major step
that I would say is the gigantic leap has kind
of been going slowly, slowly, slowly all the way through
FDR and LBJ, and finally Obama comes along and pushes
us over the edge. And then Trump comes in and
disrupts everything for four years. So the Democrats do everything
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they can to keep Trump from governing by all of
the impeachment blocking him. Of course, he doesn't have both
houses of Congress, so it's pretty easy to block him.
So they block everything that can happen. And then we
get to the twenty twenty. We get to the next
election and Biden wins. Now, set aside all the controversy,
(12:44):
over all of the voting irregularities, everything else, just accept
the Biden one because that again, that's history. You can't
change it. Biden won. And even if we could prove fraud,
even if we could prove that there was all this
cheating going on, it doesn't change. And you can't go
back and undo that it's been done. There's no constitutional
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provision or process by which you can go back and
unwind everything that was done. Oh, there would be political fallout,
there would be political ramifications. But many people have asked, well,
why can't we just undo everything that Biden did? Well,
we can, but we have to do it politically. But
let's go back to what happened when Biden won, whether
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it was him or surrogates, which obviously is questionable because
I don't think that he I think even in twenty
twenty he didn't have it, he didn't have his act together.
So what does Biden do? Well, Biden takes the second
leg of what Obama wanted to do, and that's immigration,
and he opened the floodgates because through national health you
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can control the population. Because what's more integral to your
life than your health, and your health is determined by
almost everything. What you breathe, what you eat, how you live,
everything affects your health, which allows the government to go
out and start controlling anything they want to control, all
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into the guise of well, you know Medicare, Medicaid and
everything else. Well, you know we're going to pay for this,
We're not going to pay for that. You got to
do this, you got to do that. I mean, it's
it's just integral to government control. Then the second aspect,
and this is all again part of the Howard uh
Cloward Piven strategy of overwhelming the system. Well, look what
they've done with the medical system. It's overwhelmed. Right now
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in many states half the population or more is on
some sort of government health program. So we've kind of
reached almost peak socialized medicine, not quite nowhere on the
road to it. Well, the second stool of that whole
takel over of that fundamental transformation is flood the country
with illegal aliens, Flood the country with people who don't
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share our culture, our values, who don't even understand how
to live in this country, who come from crime ridden
craphole countries, and you put them in here and they
most of them, not all of them, but most of
them end up doing what going on the government tea,
which means that, oh, now they're going to vote whoever's
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you want to keep giving them handouts. And we witnessed
all of this, and then we saw the government spending,
which was the third leg of that fundamental transformation, overwhelm
the system, enact the Inflation Reduction Act, enact the Infrastructure
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Rebuilding Act, implement all of these bills that took the
COVID spending, which was outrageous, which party was Trump's fault.
But take all of that level of spending. You know,
we used to have like a three or four trillion
dollar budget. Well let's bump it up seven trillion dollars
by doing all this emergency spending. And then you get
Biden and he wants to do inflation reduction and everything else.
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And now you've got a new baseline of government spending.
Instead of three or four trillion dollars, it's five, six,
seven trillion dollars. So now you've overwhelmed the system in
terms of the economy. And we saw we saw the
effects of that inflation, the loss of jobs. Business is
shutting down. You know, I noticed today it was kind
of interesting today. I was thinking about this. I go
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through Sonic drive in. For those of you that don't
understand what sonic drive in is, that's just a it's
kind of like a it's like an original in and
out or an original mcdonal. It's it's just a it's
a drive in. They usually have stalls where you can
pull your car in, or you can do a drive through,
but most of them have three rows of stalls. And
(16:47):
this one that I drove through today to get a
you know, to get a route forty four diet colake
to drink during a show, I noticed that two entire
rolls of rows of stalls have been converted. Where you
used to be able to pull in an order of
the speaker. No, no more. They've taken all those speakers out.
And it's just a it's a simple local example of
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how overspending and COVID and everything fundamentally transformed. How many
places do business? How many closed storefronts do you see?
How many strip malls do you see where you know
thirty percent or more of the businesses are shut down.
We see that right here in downtown Denver. The sixteenth
Street so called mall in downtown Denver is only about
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maybe sixty percent occupied. The rest of it's vacant. And
all that's because of government overspending and people can't do
business anymore over regulations. That's the fundamental transformation of America,
and we've revolted against it, and now Trump is pushing
back against it. So that's kind of where and how
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we've gotten to where we are. Now let's get into
the history lesson about what Trump's talking about doing and
see if you're not revulsed by it? And should you
wait till you hear the history. So Weeken with Michael Brown,
Take somewhere, Michael, Michael too, three three, one zero three.
I'll be right back tonight.
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I really appreciate you doing this, So go subscribe to
the podcast. So here we are. We've gone through Woodrow, WILSONFTYR,
and LBJ, and we've gone through Barack Obama. We've gone
through Joe Biden and we've reached this culmination of the
American people look at everything going on and we revolt
against it and just say, no, this is absurd. We
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can't afford the government spending. We can't have all these
illegal aliens coming in the government control over our lives
is out of control. We want to reverse course. I
never thought it would happened in my lifetime, but it's happened.
And of course the pushback against that is in full
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bloom because the globalists, the cabal, the media, the Democrats,
some a bunch of a bunch of Republicans that are
a bunch of weasels. People who do not understand the
basic tenets of individual freedom, individual liberty, who don't understand
the basic tenants of the Constitution, are now in full
(19:55):
bore pushing against Donald Trump and Donald Trump and his cabinet.
I don't always agree with everything that either Trump says
or how he says it, but I do agree with
this pushback, and we need to look at it in
a historical context to understand that sometimes we don't know
(20:17):
our own history, and we allow that to blind us
and say, oh my gosh, I can't believe we're doing this.
I can't believe that Trump's doing this. I can't believe
the staff is saying this would Indeed, if we had
had the cabal say back during the American Civil War,
we'd all be going, oh, yeah, it's just another day ending.
And why are you ready? Let's get started on that,
(20:43):
because yesterday Stephen Miller, who is the one of Trump's
chief policy advisors special Assistant to the President, was out
on Pebble Beach, which is the North Portico Driveway, talking
to reporters, and he had this to say.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Tell me, is this a question back there for everyway?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Quick watch? First, you know President Trump has talked about
testily spending the sports business.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
The question starts out with, you know, the president has
talked about suspending habeas corpus. Uh, what is habeas corpus?
Do you know what that means? Well, it's just a
basic fundamental legal principle that ensures anyone, anybody who is
in custody can challenge the legality of their detention in court.
(21:41):
It's a very simple, long standing legal mechanism. It protects
against unlawful imprisonment, It protects and deters indefinite detention. It
serves as a safeguard against arbitrary and executive power. The
literally translates from habeas corpus meaning you shall have the body,
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meaning that a judge, and this is true at state
court judges federal judges. A judge can order the custodian
of a detainee law enforcement ICE CBP, anybody who has
control over you, who has arrested you and detained you,
to bring them before the court to determine the legality
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of their confinement. So that's the basis of the question.
It's just hard to hear that reporter in the background anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Panda quick flashes. First, you know President Trump has bocktop
Testier spending the escorphists to taking here of the illegalistration
troump Wait could we see that happen?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
If you think, well, the Constitution is clear and that,
of course is the supreme law of the land, that
the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be
suspended in a time of innovationion, So it would say
that's an option we're actively looking at. Look, a lot
of it depends on whether the courts through the right
thing or not. At the end of the day, Congress
passed the body of law known as the Immigration Nationality Act,
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which stripped Article three courts. That's the judicial branch of
a jurisdiction over immigration cases. So Congress actually passed is
called jurisdiction stripping legislation. It passed a number of laws
that say that the Article three courts aren't even allowed
to be involved in immigration cases.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And the Article three courts are established in the Constitution.
They're establishing the constitution by saying that there is a
Supreme Court of the United States. That's Article three of
the Constitution, the US Supreme Court. But Congress can enact
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and create as many lower courts as Congress deems appropriate.
So that's where you get a federal district court in
all these six hundred plus whatever it is, jurisdiction across
the country, and they can establish courts of appeals if
they want to, and they can even establish what the
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jurisdiction is. That's the power given to Congress. That power
is contained in Article three. So when Stephen Miller refers
to Article three courts, he's talking about, for example, the
Federal District Court of Colorado, which sits in Denver. He's
also talking about the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, which
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sits in Denver, ironically, but he may be he's also
talking about, for example, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals,
which sits in San Francisco, or the Fifth Circuit Court
of Appeals, which sits in New Orleans. And so that's
the hierarchy of courts, the federal trial courts, the district courts,
and then the courts of appeal, and then the US
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Supreme Court. The U s Supreme Court is the only
one that the Founders established in the US Constitution. All
courts are established by Congress, and they're given that authority
by the Founders in Article three of the US Constitution,
including what their jurisdiction is. Got it. So this is
(25:13):
what Stephen Miller is literally kind of lecturing these reporters about, you're.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Taking here of the illegal auseration proper? When could we
see that happen with day?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, the Constitution is clear, and that of course is
the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of
the written of habeas corpus can be suspended in a
time of innovasion. So it's an option we're actively looking at. Look,
a lot of it depends on whether the courts do
the right thing or not. At the end of the day,
Congress passed the body of law known as the Immigration
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Nationality Act, which stripped Article three courts. That's the judicial
branch of a jurisdiction over immigration cases. So Congress actually
passed is called jurisdiction stripping legislation. It passed a number
of laws that say that the Article three courts aren't
even the lallowed to be involved in immigration cases. Many
of you probably don't know this. I'll give you a
good example. Are you familiar with the term Temporary protect
(26:07):
the Status or TPS. Right, So, by statute, the courts
are stripped of jurisdiction from overruling a presidential determination or
a secretarial determination on TPS when the Secretary of Homelansecurity
makes that determination. So in Secretary Nome terminated TPS for
the illegals that Biden flew into the country. When courts
(26:28):
stepped in, they were violating explicit language that Congress had
enacted saying they have no jurisdiction. So it's not just
the courts aren't just at war with the executive branch.
The courts are at war, these radical road judges with
the legislative branch as well too. So all of that
will inform the choice that the president ultimately makes.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yes, mister Miller.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So what's going on, just to put it in context,
is that many people, lawyers, and many legal organizations like
the ACLU or any other immigrant advocacy group that represents
illegal aliens, are filing writs of habeas corpus trying to
(27:07):
stop the detention of illegal aliens. Got it all right? Now,
let's think about our history for a moment. Raise your
hand if you think that Abraham Lincoln was one of
the greatest presidents in American history. Have you ever been
to Lincoln Memorial? It is all inspiring and I greatly
admire Abraham Lincoln. There are some things that Abraham Lincoln
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did that troubled me. But they may trouble me, but
I find that Abraham Lincoln had the absolute authority to
do so. Do you know that Abraham Lincoln suspended the
writ of habeas corpus multiple times during the Civil War,
and he cited the need to address the rebellion. He
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cited the need to protect national security. Lincoln very first
suspended a hapeas corpus in April of eighteen sixty one
in the state of Maryland because he was trying to
suppress pro Confederate activities and secure Washington, d c. By
authorizing military arrests of civilians without a trial. Oh my god,
(28:18):
this sounds like a violation of the Constitution. Now, he
expanded that nationally in September of eighteen sixty two because
he was trying to combat draft resistance and anti war descent.
So the president that we have this grand memorial to that,
we put on a pedestal, that we have schools named
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after that. Everyone looks up and says, oh, my gosh.
Abraham Lecland was one of the greatest presidents in the
history of this country. And I do believe that he
was suspended the rid of hapeas corpus. Now the rationale
he justified doing so under Article one, Section nine the Constitution,
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which is what Stephen Miller was referring to, which permits,
quote in cases of rebellion or invasion close quote for
public safety, you can suspend the rid of habeas corpus.
Do we have a case of rebellion going on? Probably not.
(29:22):
Do we have a case of invasion going on? Certainly
appears that way, because when you have hundreds of thousands
of illegal aliens that invade the country, that are told
by a former president or a staff or whoever the
hell's in charge. Just come on in. Just in fact,
(29:43):
we're gonna give you an app to put on your
on your iPhone that just allows you to fill out,
you know, check the boxes and then just you know,
hit send and then just come on in and we'll
turn our backs. In fact, we'll even babysit for you.
We'll even get your medical attention. We'll even put you
on a an airplane or a bus and send you somewhere. Yeah,
think about that, Just think about that for a second.
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It's the Weekend with Mike. Oh were the history lesson
continues because I want you to understand that what we're
witnessing now Ecclesiastes addressed, there's nothing new under the sun.
We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend
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with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. I
appreciate you tuning in. Go give me a following exits
that Michael Brown. USA. So Lincoln, Lincoln decided to suspend
the rid of Habeas corpus, the very same thing that
Trump is considering. Now, why did he do it? Well?
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He argued that In a message to Congress, he emphasized
that the Union itself was at stake. He said, are
all the laws but one to go unexecuted and the
government itself go to pieces, lets that one law be violated.
He was arguing that the Confederacy's secession and the urgency
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of the Civil War itself required extraordinary measures to prevent sabotage,
troop obstruction, disloyalty. Well, you can make a parallel argument
that the invasion of illegals, particularly during the Biden administration.
You know, for decades for presidents going all the way back,
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even before Reagan, we always had all the way back
to Eisenhower, who in nineteen fifty four implemented Operation Wetback
to remove illegal aliens from the country and take them
back across the Vilogrande River. But now you fast forward
to the Biden four years and we have literally hundreds
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of thousands of people invading our country every single day,
and the law enforcement falls apart. School's overwhelmed, hospitals are overwhelmed,
the social safety net is overwhelmed. The country is literally
being destroyed from within by people who come here illegally
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and unlawfully, including people from enemy countries. China, I'm looking
at you. Yeahmen, I'm looking at you. Iran, I'm looking
at you. Russia, I'm looking at you. They're invading the country.
And Trump says, you know, I'm going to put a
stop to this. So, as you would expect, there was
because Lincoln was a Republican, there was Democrat outrage. Clement
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valing Dingham, a Democrat congressman, accused Lincoln of does this
sound familiar tyranny? Because Lincoln arrested some peace Democrats, and
of course that made people even more pissed off. The
Chicago Times wasemporarily shut down by Lincoln, and that fuel
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claims that Lincoln was acting like an authoritarian. Does that
sound familiar? Now Trump hasn't shut down the press. Oh,
he attacks the press, but he hasn't shut them down.
He sued them, but he hasn't shut them down. And
then you had public arrest erupt Oh, golle. This sounds
like sounds like history repeating itself, doesn't it It? States
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like Indiana and Ohio, where the anti suspension of the
rid of Habeas corpus sentiment almost caused a civil war
within the Union. Within the states north of the Mason
Dixon line. So, oh, let's look at Columbia University, Let's
look at Harvard, Let's look at Black Lives Matter, let's
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look at the Mohammas protesters in this country. The same
things happening again. And then in Congress he had partisan splits,
though Republicans ultimately past something in eighteen sixty three, which
was called the Habeas Corpus Suspension Act of eighteen sixty three,
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which codified the authority of Abraham Lincoln retroactively to overcome
the Supreme Court case in exparte Merriment, in which Justice
Tainty ruled that Lincoln's suspension unconstitutional, asserting only Congress could
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suspend Habeas corpus. So Congress said, okay, well, then find
we'll do it too. We're going through exactly the same
thing again. There was another Supreme Court ruling in eighteen
sixty six, exparte Milligan, that rule that military tribunals were
unconstitutional and only civilian courts were operational. So indirectly they
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were critiquing Lincoln's policies. The public got split. There was arguments.
Congress ultimately stepped in and said, well, we think he
has the power, but since the Supreme Court said you
don't have that power, which is explicit in the Constitution.
The Congress said, well, we'll go ahead and we'll retroactively
approve it, and then in other words, killed the Supreme
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Court's decision. Now, ultimately, Lincoln ignored the U. S. Supreme
Court and continued with his actions. He argued that the
suspensions were critical to preserving the Union, and he avoided
creating martyrs by commuting sentences. In other words, nobody was
going to be found guilty of treason. We were going
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to let all of the you know, the southern Southern
Confederate soldiers, we were going to let them go. We're
not going to do anything. Now, the legacy of all
of that remains debated, particularly in discussion in any discussion
balancing civil liberties and national security. But the point is
this is the the debate we've been having in this
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country since its founding. So there you have it. Oh,
we've been through this before. Now Lincoln prevailed. Whether or
not Trump will prevail, or whether or not Congress will
have the cajones to step in and support Trump in
this effort remains to be seen. But when you hear tyranny,
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when you hear authoritarianism, when you hear all of those
things screamed about Donald Trump, Just remember the one of
the presidents who has one of the largest memorials on
the National Mall, revered by many. Go look at a
five dollar bill, Go look at the crowds, Look at
the civil rights marches, look at the eye have a
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dream speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Oh yeah,
that guy, Abraham Lincoln. He was a tyrant, he was
an authoritarian, He abused the Constitution, he ignored the US
Supreme Court. Oh gee, think about your history. It's the
weekend with Michael Brown. Texta word Michael, Michael to three three,
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one zero three. I'll be right back.
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