Insight With Sylvia Maus 100123 Mental Health

"Is mental health just in your head? Find out about all the ways that mental health is physical health and how you can stay healthy."

Episode Transcript

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Hi, I'm Sylvia Moss, andthis is Insight, a presentation of iHeartMedia
where we really do care about ourlocal communities and all our listeners who live
here. You're nuts, you're crazy, your elevator doesn't go to the top
floor. Those are some of thecruel things that we say to each other
when we think that there's something thatwe said is not just right with what
someone else is thinking. You mightthink it's fun to your queue to make

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these remarks, but there's no humorin making those statements because mental health is
the number one issue in this country, and it really isn't funny. I'm
very pleased and honored to have vicepresident co owner of bright Side Medical Associates,
mental health clinician Alphonso and Nathan withus today. Alphonso's also a published
author, has written articles in manypsychology publications. We're gonna try to take

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a real, common sense, closelook at mental health and provide some value
insight as I don't even know whereto start or what question to ask you
in any particular order. But thefirst thing that I think of is why
are so many people messed up?I mean, the whole look at mental
health. The number one issues,what's going on. I mean, this

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has been so many things that's beengoing on in the past what three years
at least. You know, we'vewe've noticed a spike in mental health,
you know, the mentalth awareness sincesince COVID. Yeah, I mean,
COVID was a big just shocker foreveryone. It stopped the world and allowed

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people to stop being distracted from everythingelse, and now they had to be
able to to really look at theiryou know, their mindset. So you
know, people weren't traveling, peopleweren't outside, they were inside, and
this is the first time a lotof people had to deal with their own
thoughts. So, you know what, I'm glad you brought that at first,

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because I know a lot of childrenwent through and they're still going through
issues with what happened during COVID.Talk to me about that a little bit.
Absolutely. I mean, you know, I know they're going to be
a lot of studies that's coming out, but you know, from just from
my practice itself and talking with somany people, a lot of kids are
about two years behind. Is thatright? Absolutely? Absolutely, because you

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know, for a good two yearsthe majority of kids were at home doing
virtual school, so they weren't ableto really get the social interactions that they're
used that they're used to. I'mgetting, how did it well, excuse
me a second, how did itmanifest itself in children other than that?
I mean, did you see moreepisodes of depression or well, I mean

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I think it manifested itself through anxiety, because anxiety is a fear of the
unknown, right, And we allfaced a trauma, you know, one
from COVID and one from everything afterthat, from the George Floyd murder,
from not being able to you know, talk with your friends. You had

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to be six ft apart, youknow, to for even people you know,
losing loved ones from COVID. Yeah, so and such shareable things all
one shot absolutely absolutely and murder hornets. I don't know where they went,
but you know, yeah, itwas it was a thing for a little
bit. I mean, it's it'sit just seemed like we were living in
a different world. And of courseall that crazy that's it starting continues to

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go on down in Washington. Imean that's like, who are these people?
I mean, we're like a livingin an alternate universe. Do you
find that, Well, there's alot more to your nuts, what the
's wrong with you? You're crazyand all that kind of stuff, But
people don't first of all, empathy. Empathy is a huge thing we're missing
out on in this country, isn'tit. Absolutely. I mean, even

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a term crazy is a dismissive term. It just it just means that you
just don't understand what's going on withthe person, you know. And that's
why it's important to to really pushfor that mental health aspect. Is you
know, we we try to putlight and understanding on what's going on the
irrational. We'll try to put rationalto the irrational thought. So, you

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know, there's there's been so muchgoing on and I don't know the these
these past couple of years to allowus to put an understanding why, you
know, why people are feeling anxious, why people are feeling depressed. I
mean, you know, you haveto look, the economy is not doing
well. You know, prices ofeverything has gone up. Yeah, you

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know a milk, you know,gown to milk is like five dollars,
you know. So so there arethings called the Madsle's hierarchy of needs,
and people's basic needs are not evenbeing fully met. So that's the reason
why you know, some people arereally feeling, you know, down and
depressed. Because nowadays it's not justthe people were dependent on help from these

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from nonprofits, from the government.It's moved in the middle and upper middle
class that need help. Yeah,so everybody's feeling and how about it?
Yeah, well I think one,I think everyone needs to you know,
investing their mental health. You know, mental health should be talked about just
in the same light as physical health. People go to the gym, people
go to you know, see atrainer. Why not go see a therapist

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or a coach. It's connected,Absolutely, everything's connected. Why are we
having such a hard time pushing thatconcept? Where you think because it's a
taboo subject. You know, itwasn't until the past couple of years that
it was even cool to talk abouta therapist. I felt like a side
check for such a long time,because you know, people weren't sure if
they should tell people that they havea therapist. But now it's okay to

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start talking about you know, yeah, I go to therapy. I actively
work on my mental health because alot of times people thought that if you're
working on your mental health, itjust means that you're crazy. Something's wrong
with you. No, you're justyou're just working on yourself in a holistic
view. Okay, here are somethings that people have started, Like I've

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been through therapy, I mean differentparts of my life, and I was
one of those people that went inthought everything's my fault, you know,
you know, but that's everything's connected. But anyway, people have said,
and I've heard different people say,oh, if you go to a shrink,
they're only gonna tell you what youwant to hear. Or they'll say,
oh, it's all about you.They make it become selfish, address

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stuff like that. For me,absolutely, well, the thing is that's
that's just a common misconception. Youknow, we don't we don't tell you
what you want to hear. Wetell you what you need to hear.
Sometimes you know, we're gonna tellyou things that you're not going to want
to feel comfortable about. But it'swe have to be able to break down
those those barriers. Yeah, youknow. So I just think understanding that

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everybody's experience and therapy is going tobe different because people come to a therapist
for different reasons, whether it's fordepression, whether it's for anxiety, or
whether if it's just to try tofigure out the next steps in life.
So everyone's treatment experience is going tobe different. There's another one. If
you go to a shrink or getmedication, you're weak. Actually, in

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reality, you're actually strong. Ittakes a lot more strength to ask for
help than just keep it all inwithin yourself, because you have to realize,
like, we don't keep things in. We think that, we would
like to think that we keep thingsin, but you know, there's this
thing called a law of conservation ofenergy, and it states that energy cannot
be created destroyed, It can onlytransfer. So what happens is we try

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to keep it in, but itcomes out in different ways. It'll come
out and you know, you're upsetat your boss, so you get upset
and you you yell at your kidsor kick the dog. There's this thing
called displacement. So you know,we have to understand. The more you
understand yourself, understand what makes youtick, then you can be able to
be really fully in control of whatyou know, what triggers you, and

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how you respond to that. Ourmental health issues inherited or are well inherited,
might speak, are they part ofour genetic makeup? Or are they
learned behaviors or both. It's it'sdefinitely both nature and nurture. There's some
people who are just genetically decomposed,discomposed, right, was that he said

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the word They're they're genetically you know, and able to to have depression or
you know, because their their familiesthere's a family history of that. There's
also people who experienced trauma. Itjust it all depends on what's going on.
So there's there's no one answer.I'm really encouraged by people your age,

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younger, yeah, who are moreaccepting things. They're more open to
things. So when somebody comes toyou, they let me ask you this
way, are you as impress whatyou with what you see with younger people
as I have been. The factthat they're willing to say, hey,
I need help, and maybe it'sthis, maybe it's that. Well,

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I'm I'm impressed by the younger peopleand the older people. I think a
lot more people are are are realizingit's okay to go seek help. Sure,
especially in our climate today. Youknow, I've I've noticed a lot
of people who in the past wouldwould never even want to go to therapy,
but now they're feeling it's okay tobe able to tackle down these traumas

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they've been dealing with for decades.And that's those are the people that I'm
very proud of. You know,it's all wrapped around stigma for older people,
isn't it. It's always done areal good job of hammering people with
mental health features. It's stigma andrepresentation. You know, me being a
blackmail therapist is very few of me. So a lot of times people you
know, need to see somebody thatlooks like me to talk about these type

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of things, to know that thereare individuals that look like me, you
know, in this space, andyou can be able to to get someone
who can agree with you or whocan just relate to you, because sometimes
we don't want to, you know, explain everything of what's of what's going
down from generations upon generation. Sometimeswe want somebody to know, like,

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okay, you know, if ifwe're both at a party and everyone in
a party doesn't look like us,but we're the only two people that look
like each other. We look,we look, we connect guys, and
what we do we give that headNodD like okay, and then that's just
centuries of just understanding what connection.So so sometimes we just need people that
can understand. Well, you know, you mentioned about the fact that you're

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black therapists, you deal a lotwith that black men. In fact,
you have something called Black Men andtheir Mental Health, Black Trauma and Healing.
What's that all about. So I'mpart of an organization called Black Men
Heal, and that's an organization thatgives free therapy to black men in the
Tristate area. It's it provides alot of awareness just to to know what

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to look look at, just tosee you know, Okay, you know
there are a lot of people thatthat are facing the same things I'm facing
and and it helps connect them withwith therapists like myself to be able to,
you know, help with those issues. Would you go as far as
to say that the big problem ison both sides, whether you're black,
white, purple, I don't careif people still hang on to stereotypes.

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Well yeah, I think I thinkwe're naturally gonna hang on too stereotypes.
And that's you know. So thething is, it's it's it's not about
the trigger. It's about what youdeal with the trigger. Yeah, you
know what I mean, It's aboutyour reaction after that, and people have
to understand if I tell you ajoke, you're gonna you're gonna and it's
a funny joke, you're gonna laughno matter what. But now there's a

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difference. It's like, Okay,you tell me a joke. I tell
you a joke and you laugh,and then all day you're like, I
guess what happened? He told methis joke and you laugh throughout the whole
day, as opposed to you laugh, and then that's it, you know
what I mean. So you haveto understand that, yeah, there's gonna
be a somebody. You know,there's gonna be a trigger to a stereotype,
But it's about how you respond toit. What would you say to

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somebody who's right there on the edgethey know. Let me ask you this
first. At what point, ifsomeone's going through things, would you say
to them, I'm here, I'msafe. It's time to come and talk
to someone. At what point inmy life where should I be? I
don't think there's a timeline on Imean it when things get so bad.
No, I think people people cometo me in different aspects. Some people

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come to me in crisis situation.Some people come to me when it's about
to be one or some people cometo me for prevention. It all depends
on your level of awareness and andyou know, you when you want to
get help. So each person isgoing to be different as to when they're
ready to come to me. Butthe main thing is about them being ready.
You can't force anybody when somebody comesin and talk to you. Not

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everybody is. Some people just needsomeone to talk to us and let them
know if they're doing the mentally healthything right. Okay, But there are
times when you're going to suggest behavioraltherapy or medications. Somebody comes in they
say, oh, I don't know, I don't want to be on any
drugs. What are you saying tothem? Because I know people like that.
Yeah. I think a lot ofthe important thing is just just to

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educate people. I always tell people, I am I'm not a medication first,
but there's a reason why we haveit, you know. And it's
not we're not just gonna throw apill at somebody, you know. We
we exhaust all options and then wegive a medical intervention and then still work
on the lifestyle change. I thinkthere's there's a there's a taboo on just

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taking medication and making you feel likeyou're you're weak or you're crazy. But
I tell people, listen, ifyou're a diabetic, you're gonna take and
your doctor says take insulin, you'regonna take the insulin. You're not gonna
be like, no, I don'tbelieve in diabetes, You're gonna take the
insulin. Same thing with high bloodpressure, but also with that, it
takes a diet change, it takesexercise, and it takes a lifestyle change,
just like anything. So if welook at it just like physical health,

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will be okay with it. Typically, when people come in, how
do you what's your analysis? Howwas it done? How do you figure
out what there is? It is? Well? First, what for me?
And I've done this long enough thatit probably takes me about ten minutes
to really understand what's going on.But there's a process prior to it.
They you know, they when theydo it, intake paperwork out, you

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know, I answer, I aska lot of questions prior to that.
The first session is an important sessionbecause I have to build rapport or relationship.
If you don't trust me, ifyou don't like me, it's going
to be hard to want to youknow, hear my advice on on change.
How can you not like somebody knownas the fonts? That's right,

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you know what I mean. It'svery hard to not like me. But
there's some people that don't. ButI tell I tell them. I tell
them. In the beginning, Isaid, there's gonna be days you like
me, there be days you areAnd it's all because I'm going to tell
you the truth. If there's everysingle time you sit in at therapy office
and and you love me, I'mnot doing my job, it's because you
know I'm going to be challenging you. And that's what That's how you change.

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When you work out, you know, the only way that for you
to gain muscle is to challenge yourselfby lifting more weight. If you're run
on the treadmill, of you're runninga mile, the only way for you
to get better at that is ifyou run faster and continue practice, and
you're you're going to that's the onlyway for you to be able to get
better is through that uncomfortability. Doyou find it older people say people past

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sixty are still willing to make thosechanges? Absolutely? Yeah, I think
I think that you know, anybodycan make that change once they're ready,
you know what I mean. Thethe issue is that people cannot handle this
thing called cognitive dissonance. And whatcognitive dissonance is is when you have a
certain thought of belief and new truthshave been added and it creates a just

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disruption and this regulation in your mindand your body, and it's so uncomfortable.
People don't like that type of truth. It's almost like when you found
out when Santa wasn't real, right, when we're yeah, I'm sorry,
but when you found out Santa wasn'treal, your miles not weight? What?

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And now all these thoughts are cominglike okay, well what's what else
is real? What else? Youstart acting all these questions, it becomes
an overload, right, So peoplearen't comfortable with that. Yeah, and
so that's why it's hard for peopleto want to change. So that's the
cognitive dissonance. But if you pushtowards what we call cognitive maaluability or cognitive
adaptability, you can be able toroll with the punches. You can be

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able to go and change and ifnew information comes your way, you can
be able to adjust to it.And that's that's that's the important thing.
And people don't like to see youchange, do they when they're used to
know? Well, the thing isthat people see you change. That means
that they have to change. Theirresponse has the change. And sometimes people
like to be to keep you,you know, in a box or keep

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you under control. It's easier forthem. Yeah, because they they are
are figured you out. So ifyou change now, they have to figure
out the new You. Talk tome, and I think your book Not
My Energy probably addresses this. Ihaven't read it yet, but talk to
me about emotional vampires. Oh man, there's a there's a chapter that's one
of my favorite chapters. Emotional vampiresand what they are. They are people

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that's been negative for so long.They sucked the energy from you to feel
themselves. How do you recognize them? Well, you've we've all been around
you. You're having a good day, you're just you know, relaction,
chilling. Then someone says something someoneit's just one thing and it just sucks
the energy from you. How doyou see that? How do you deal

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with that? You take you takegarlic, you take a cross cross work,
Well, what you do one?You have to be mindful of the
company that you keep. So Sosometimes a lot of times distance is an
important time, an important thing,but also awareness from that that person,
because sometimes people aren't even aware thattheir emotional vampires. So so as you
are working on your self care andyour self awareness and your growth, you're

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also that's the action. You're alsoletting them know you're doing this because this
is what's been happening in the past. So there's some people that's going to
take offense to it, but it'salso some people that's gonna take it as
a as a wake up call.Well, I've had people in my family.
I've had friends who have had peoplein their family, and people in
my family have said to me,well, this is your cousin or your

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uncle or whomever. After all,what if something happens to them and you're
sorry that you didn't I've been kissingthis person's run and been the you know
for years and years, and they'reand they're the abusive one. Absolutely,
I understand the best thing to doin that case, if you have to
be around people who are close orfamily members, limit your time. Yeah,

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well that's all you can do.I always tell people, you know,
thirty years ago, if I toldyou to invest ten thousand dollars in
blockbusts of video, you'd be like, absolutely, that's a great investment.
Blockbusted video is not going anywhere.Every Friday night we go and just have
a good time. But if Itell you to invest ten thousand dollars in
blockbusts a video, now you lookat me like I'm crazy. Right,
We got to realize it's just becausesomething had value back then does not mean

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it kept this value over time.That's people, that's what jobs, that's
what situations. That's in family.Family. Family. If when most families,
if they'll admit it, like yougo past this big, beautiful house
with this perfect family and narrow messand you don't know it absolutely, What
is this big thing that we havewith keeping families together no matter why,

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even if they're most of its dysfunction. Well, I think it's because it's
familiar. You know, people likefamiliarity. The you know, the term,
oh the devil, you know isbetter than a devil. You don't.
I don't believe that. I believethat why even deal with the devil?
You know what I mean exactly?So, So it's about that mindset.
It's it's the reason why people arejust like, oh, that's just
your brother, that's just your cousin. It's because they're trying to keep that

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generational curse, you know, youdon't you know? For me, I
got I gotta have two daughters andI have a son, and I trained
my daughters to like, listen,if you don't feel comfortable around someone,
whether it's your family members or anybody, you don't have to sit on their
lap, you don't have to geta hug, you don't have to do
any of these things, because youknow you you if you don't feel comfortable
with that, you don't have tobe forced to do so. And I

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think just even changing stuff slightly likethat can really change the trajectory of just
the future. How much power isthere in affirmations, Oh my gosh,
because I have a difficulty with that, Like I always slide back to them.
It's comming to be different for affirmationbe difficult. But you got to
realize that you're the most influential personin your life. You know, you've

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been talking yourself since you were inyour mom's belly, all the way till
you're gonna be one hundred and fortyyears old, right, So you have
to realize, since you're talking toyourself more than anybody else, you hold
the most influenced So what you sayto yourself matters. Words are a powerful
thing. Wars have been started withwords, right, So you have to
ask yourself what is the most influentialperson in your life saying? Is it

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saying positive things or negative things?But what if you have low self esteem
you don't feel like you're a positiveperson? Absolutely, then you gotta fake
it till you make it. Youknow what I mean? You have you
know, that's the uncomfortability. It'sgonna be uncomfortable to say I love myself,
It's going to be uncomfortable to sayI matter. It's going to be
uncomfortable to say these things because you'renot used to it. But guess what

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if you do the same thing overand over again but expect different results.
That's Einstein's definition of insanity exactly.So you've got to change, You gotta
do something different in order to reallygrow. What would you say to women
out there? And I think mygeneration was right at the cusp of women
who stayed at home all the time, women who had a choice between career
and children, And now we're girlsthat don't want to have kids. Still

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the force. It doesn't matter ifyou want to have children or not.
But a lot of women in mygeneration, women who grew up in the
sixties, seventies, eighties, wewere expected to get if you weren't twenty
If you're twenty five and you weren'tmarried, something wrong through you were an
old maid. That's ridiculous, that'ssociety. But we were conditioned to become
caretakers. Yeah. Yeah, that'stough to get out of. Absolutely.

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But the thing is, I'm realbig on unlearning. How do you do
that? So I'm ready to listen. Absolutely, So unlearning is important.
You got to aren't small. Soyou have to see, you know what,
what in our lifestyle do we feelit's still working in our lifestyle is
not working? Okay, right,And it's gonna be about research. It's
gonna be about, you know,really doing some self some soul searching on

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what do we want that change tobe. So if we if we've been
conditioned to be that caretaker but it'snot working for us for years and decades,
it's not working for us, thenwe have to do that slight change
in our mindset instead of taking careof everybody else. I gotta take care
of myself. How I do sofirst is do this really really important phrase

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no. Saying no is probably oneof the hardest things we can do,
but that's self care. It's instillin boundaries. Whenever we go to whenever
we've been on a plane and thestewardess or the video the stewardess comes on
and they say, you know,they talk about the oxygen mass when you're
with your kid, that would dothey tell you, they tell put it

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on you first, exactly to tellyou put on yourself first before you put
on your child, because you can'thelp others unless you help yourself. Self
care is one of the most importantthings, and we have to realize that
self care only looks selfish to thosewho only value you when you're selfless.
That's right, Okay, So wehave to realize that, you know,
if you're not taking care of yourself, it's impossible for you to take care

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of other people. And the peoplethat are in control of your life and
your lifestyle in a maladaptive way.They don't want you to have that self
care. They don't want you tochange because now they have to be able
to change and scramble to take totry to take control back. And that's
with that's with spouses, that's whatparamours, that's what parents, that's what

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bosses all those things. You know, if it's if it's a maladaptive relationship,
you don't need to be in it. Well you know what, there's
quickly running out of time. Icould target for days. But a couple
of things I want to get inwhat we're talking about is, yeah,
you correct me if I'm wrong.You handle membership for the NFL. You
played football at Bloom right, socorrect, I want to correct that.

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Okay, I don't handle membership withthe NFL. Okay, we are creating
a program called Brightside Coaching, andone of my partners, he is a
director of Memberships for the NFLPA.So so we do. We do have
access with those individuals. But youknow, listen, you know how to
how licenses are. So oh yeah, yeah, I know. We get

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an under trouble. You'll be seeinga therapist. But you have played football,
you know all about that. Somethingthat bothers me a lot is kids
that are playing sports because mom anddad want them to. Yeah, and
parents who don't give any of theirtime to Little League or whatever is.
But they can go to the gameand they can criticize the coach and their
kid. How do you shut themall up? How do you handle that?

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Well? I used I used tocoach wrestling for youth wrestling for my
son was doing. So you knowa lot of times parents they try to
live vicariously through their kids. Yes, and we have to remind the parents
that your kid one, especially inyouth sports, your kid's not going to
get a scholarship. Your kids notgoing to get a scholarship at this level.

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The main thing is about building afoundation, you know, and character.
Character. Yeah, character, it'sabout character, it's about it's about
you know, stepping stones in ourgravestones, and it's about protecting your energy.
So we have to understand that itstarts from parents. Here's the number
one thing in the country where mentalI was joking about mental health. But
when you see the extreme right andthe stream left and they don't understand all

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first thing comes to mind to meis Jim Jones and drinking the cooler.
Why are we having such a terribletime in this country respecting and understanding each
other. Well, we got torealize that our perspective. We all have
different perspectives and the gift and thecurse of time, so now is that
we we all have a platform toput our perspectives and it's all similar.

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It's all the same platform, butdifferent but different point of views. So
you know, everyone thinks that theirtruth is true, but in reality we
have to understands there's a collective ofwhat's true. But when it comes to
the point where it's violent, andI'm all about valiating, you know what
I mean. So so nothing shouldbe far right, far left or anything
because it just creates an imbalance inthe world and the universe. So,

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you know, so it's about youknow, there are some people who have
some good topics on one side,some people have good, good point of
views on another. If we areif we come together in the middle ground,
you know, you know, alot easier said than done, but
that's where the truth kind of relies. School's very important. Something that I
would really like to mention is overthe last two or three years, I
have come in contact and interviewed onthis program four or five people who when

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I found out they were graduates inMilton Hershey and one of them sitting right
here at Corey Dupris. Uh,just are so amazingly phenomenal people at golf
in the community making it positive difference? Was that alone? And I gotta
get them in here soon? Wasthat? Do you think that has a
lot to do with where you arein your life? Milton Hershey? Oh
yeah, I mean absolutely, MiltonHershey played a part of my life,

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my my my family put a play, played a part of my life,
my friends. You know, it'sa you know, who I am today
is a collective. You know whatI do what I do now? You
know, it's because I know thatinterventions changed lives being part of the Milton
Hershey School. Sure, but youknow who I am today is from my
wife, you know, Nerrissa,Nathan, my my kids, Nixon,

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Nova, Lee, Norah, Lynn, my mom, Virginia, Nathan and
all my family. You know.You know, so I am a collective
of everyone who believes in me.I want to let people know. Do
you have like you're in the Phillyarea, but you do have clients in
the Harrisburgh area, right you do? Yeah, yeah, we we do.
We do telehealth and we're working ontrying to provide a brick and mortar

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around here, I'd be wonderful.Yeah. Absolutely, But you know,
you know bright Side Counseling, brightSide Medical Associates, we do counseling services
and medication management, bright Side Coation. It's gonna be uh for athletes,
by athletes. Yeah, so it'sgonna be athletic life coaching all those places
and and if people cannot be ableto physically see me. That's why I

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wrote the book Not Worth My Energythat's coming out November ninth, Good and
you're gonna get, You're gonna get, can hardly wait, absolutely and be
able to hit people I don't like. Well literally, That's why I wrote
it because it's it's pretty much sittingdown in a therapy session with me.
I think it's great. Yeah.So it's just and it's not complicated,

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is it? No? No,No, it's an easy read, the
whole understanding. It's like it reallyisn't no. No. We we try,
we tend to try to overcomplicate life, you know, and we if
we if we continue to bring thingsback to balance and preserving your energy and
protecting it, you'll live a muchhappier life. Absolutely, I agree with
you. Thank you. I don'tyou'll have to come back again because you've

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enlightened me in and you've sort ofgiven me some things that I thought,
Oh maybe I am rod of oura couple of things in life. My
guest again is the vice president coowner of Bright Sale Medical Associates, mental
health clinician Alfonso Nathan. He isalso a wonderful author. Will talk to
him about that anything we talked totoday with Alfonso Butt. You want to
get in touch with him, youwant to get in touch with me,

(29:27):
please contact me Sylvia Moss and iHeartMediadot com. Alfonso. Thank you so
much, and I want to closethis by saying, I know you're real
into into quotes that you love thisand I know there's one that you liked
the Pablo Picasso said. He said, the meaning of life is to define
your gift. But the purpose oflife is to give that gift away.

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And that's what you're doing and I'mthankful for that. Thank you so much.
Thank you, and for my listeners. Join me every Sunday on Insight.
If you can't catch it live,then catch it on your favorite podcast
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