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Podcasting from Welcome to Cody Allen's podcast, cost Keeps Here
in Studio. I read to one of your bandmates recently,
Manny Medina, who I love. He's great man sat to
the earth. I saw him. He runs the stairs over
the Capitol and I do too. Sometimes I probably should
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do it more often. Um, but yeah, I saw we
climb a lot together on the road. Do you if
we find climbing jams? And he's super fit like you are.
So and they had that climbing place right literally three
blocks from where I left. So looking to move to,
I gotta get out. I don't like where I am anymore. Wait,
did you live in a haunted house one time? Am
I remembering this right? Okay? You're not. It was the
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old core Man Building, Okay, So, like I mean, that
was an old studio where Dylan and Elvis and all
of them wrote like. It was a super old last
remaining thing over there in midtown to get getting torn down.
So you're not living there now though you have another
place since then, and now you're looking for a new place.
But if you rake it in the money, it'll be
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another very simple place. Yeah, I just I just yeah,
I think I want to give her there close to Germantown,
East Nashville, kind of being a little more of a
neighborhood kind of thing. That's where I moved from. It
was in german Town as well, so you got titler Germantown. Man,
I like a lot. Um. I just wanted to I
wanted a house and I wanted to listen. I'm a
pro practical person, like I my mind thinks, how can
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I get the most from my money. I don't want
to just spend it? And um, so we found a
place that was like perfect and then also in my estimation, affordable,
so that there's not a lot of right now. So
I's so overpriced right now. Everything is just outrageous. It's nuts. Um.
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Well anyway, uh, enough of that. Congratulations on the new
song She's Mine, which is a banger. It's a damn
thank you, It's a bob Um. What was the inspiration
behind it besides the fact that she's hiding somewhere you're
trying to find that low man. I just I was.
It was almost on the first record I was writing it.
I wrote it for the Up All Night record. Um,
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it was almost the first single off of that record.
But I hated the recording that we recorded back then.
Talk about you wrote it that long ago, ten years ago,
which is an incredible like the first Kip more you know,
taste of what you do we got back in the day.
So you had it written for that our yeah, Um,
and I kind of just it kind of spawned from
you know, I'm from the south, South Georgia, and much
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of the people I grew up with, their life all
felt kind of planned out. You go work for your
dad's farm, and you go take over the other your
dad's insurance business, and it was just kind of like
you all know they were gonna be with their high
school girlfriends, you get married, you know, YadA YadA in um.
Once I got out and sort of touring the country,
you know, I started seeing feeling things and I always
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wanted to see the world, like I always wanted to
get out and travel, and then I started seeing things
so differently. And I was talking about that day of
how it was actually a much broader conversation than just females.
But it was talks of if we all traveled, how
more open minded we all be, and we'd see the
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world that we're all so similar in so many ways,
and there wouldn't be so much diversity and so many
airs that they are. Um, and then I just got
talking also about, you know, just the diversity of women
that I was meeting and the different outlooks they had
on life than the girls that I've growing up within
the South, and how much they had to say and um,
you know, and I just got talking about this no
telling where she's gonna come from. And I was talking
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about that with my co writers were having coffee, and uh,
then I just kind of started playing the opening guitar
riff and then we wrote it. There. Man, that's so
deep and yet so simple. Um, because the fact I
can completely relate to everything you just said. Basically grow
up at South Carolina and everyone stayed in the zip code.
I never I felt like a black sheep of the
family because I moved outside of our hometown. And once
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you get out, you do realize, like, wow, what I
thought was so different was actually very suck. And people
just tend to regurgitate whatever they've been taught growing up,
whatever their peers or their parents pressed on them. That's
what I'm gonna believe and think, and YadA YadA. Then
you get out and you you really experienced humanity in
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a different kind of way, and you have a lot
more compassion for it. And I think that if people
would get out and travel, even those people that that
are right now super narrow minded and whatever it is
they've been, they would feel different, think different. So where
was the first place you moved outside of South Georgia?
Uh to uh, write abub Birmingham, Alabama. So it wasn't
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a whole lot different in that sense. Yeah. I took
a basketball scholarship about seven hours from home, and then
from there I moved to the East Coast. And from
the East Coast, I took a leap and moved to
the Hawaiian Islands. And that was my first real like
leap at like anyone of course you did. Yeah, yeah, man,
I bought a one way ticket and just kind of
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like winged it and tried to figure it out. Uh.
And so what did you learn from that experience of
sort of being somewhere completely unlike home? I mean, obviously
you talk about sort of the similarities we all have
and yet everyone's diverse and yet we're all the same.
But what was the first sort of lesson. Uh. One
of the first things I really noticed with the Hawaiian
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locals and especially the natives, is how locked in they are,
the family many they are. It's a that's a special
group of people. Um. There's so much time and energy
spent towards family relationships and UM taking pride in that,
and taking pride of their their land. Um there was
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I think that was the main thing, is the pride
in their culture and their land, which UM was somewhat
kind of of the new thing for me in that sense. Um.
And uh, you know it was also a thing of
really having to figure out how to um land on
my feet and figure things out. You know, I only
had I went out there with the money that I
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had saved from my summer East Coast job I had.
I remember having like eighteen hundred dollars in my bank account. Um,
and you thought you were rich, probably I thought I
thought I was balling man. Um. And I went out
there with a backpack and lived in a little hut,
and I'd hitch hick to the beach every day, and
I'd worked little odd jaws. But I had to stretch
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that money out, Like I'd only eat one time of day.
I'd sneak into the Helo College, and I'd eat the
buffet and then I put all the pizza in my
backpack and then I would eat that for breakfast in
the morning. Woke up soaking wet every single morning because
all I had was a screen around me, so all
the rain would come in every night. It would rain
there on the Big Island, and I'd wake up just
soaking wet. At five three in the morning, I said,
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all right, time to get up, and I'd hit hike
to the beach and and um, but you just kind
of learned how to navigate, and um. That was the
first time I truly felt on my own independent at
that sense. So will you go back to South Georgia
for the holidays or did you already go there for Thanksgiving?
There for Thanksgiving? Normally go back for Christmas, But this
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year I'm thinking about bouncing off after the last show
in Vegas, something about going snowboard and Whistler and then
I'm gonna go down to Central America. And I got
a van ready with a bed in the back, and
I'm gonna just kind of drive the whole coastline through
the southern tip and kind of see what happens. Wow,
I don't. I don't have a plan yet. We're gonna
see kind of what takes place. Oh you solo trip?
Uh yeah for a large part of it. Um. Then
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I've got my buddy p J that will come maybe
seven eight days into the trip. Um. I've got a
buddy named Tim that I've that I've become buddies with
down there, and then my buddy Pete will get there
like on January eight. But I'll be solo by myself
for quite some time until I meet up with some
other people. Cool. I know this song She's Mine? Is?
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Is it part of a new album? Question? Coming? So
you've been working on that for a little bit, I know?
Is if you're like me, I just get impatient about music,
especially when'm a fan of somebody like Bring Me More.
It's so tough. As an artist, it must be just
even worse. I'm already, you know, I just finished making
this record. I'm already redy to get onto another project
now because I've been living with these songs now that
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that nobody has heard for six months, driving around in
my car and trying to like tweak mixes, and I
hear something new, I'm like, I gotta fix that. And
and now I'm like, hell, I'm over it. Let's get
to something else, you know, And it's like that's the
hard part. I gotta wait. It'll be nice though, because
I'll step away from all of it for two or
three months and then i'll come back in March when
we hit Australia running so and that will be about
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the time hopefully the album is Hopefully the record is
gonna come hopefully like late April, early May. You know,
we'll see and uh and then we'll be back out
in the row. We've got some big tour announcements and yeah,
we'll be you know, plugging back in full band, not
the acoustic thing anymore. One things that struck me that
when I saw you in Nashville, Um, is everybody in
the crowd knew every single word to your songs, even
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the deep album cuts. I mean it must be you
have a special bond with your audience. I don't know everyone.
I mean, I don't want to compare it all, but
like seeing Luke Calms like the first time, I was like,
everybody knows his stuff and he's only got one song, so, um,
there is something that happens. It's sort of magical. With
some artists and it's rare. Yeah, it's a special, special,
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tangible um thing that we have. You know, you we
feel it. We feel that we're kind of that one
hit away from blowing the doors wide open, you know
what I mean, because the foundation is so rock solid.
You know, I was telling somebody in the in the
previous interview today, you know, when they were talking about
one of the shows they came to and what it
was like, and U, no, this is somebody those that
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caught one in Virginia and just talking about how it
was crazy, how at the end of the night, I
haven't I hadn't played any of my hits. I just
done a whole show. I've only got four hits. It's
not like I have a lot of hits and I
hadn't played a single one of them. I've been playing
for two hours, two hours with the album cuts that
you would have never known there was a hit missing
from the show. They all felt like hits the whole night.
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And by the end of the night, I had a
couple of people chanting, hey, pretty girl when I was
doing the encore, and then I had a massive people
chanting crazy more time, and I said, okay, I'll let
you all decide. I'm only gonna do one of them.
And I said for hey, pretty girl in the crowd,
you know, clapped, and then when I said Crazy More Time,
it was just it shook the walls. It was so
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loud that an album cut. And then it was like,
all right, I played Crazy More Time. I saw in
the show and I stood it by myself and in
the crowd. I mean, it was just so deafening how
loud it was. And that that's a that's when you
know that you've got something real and it's not going anywhere.
You hope for that one that's gonna bust the doors
wide open. Do you feel like there's that one is
on this project? We'll see Cody. I think it is,
but you know, who knows, man, I have no clue
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of what's you know, you know. And I'm also there'll
be there'll be moments like like like many artists, I
think that when you especially when you're creating your own music.
You know, I produced this record, it's like, you know,
it's so close to me that I'll have moments where
I'm like this record killer, And then I'll have a
moment where I'm like it's terrible. What have I done?
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You know? It's like I'll go back and forth and
and uh, and then sometimes i might kind of listen
to the radio and I'm like, I don't know if
this has got a chance of being played, you know,
because sometimes it feels like such a departure sometimes of
what's But I've just always tried to stay true to
what I'm I don't even think about genres when I'm writing.
I never do. I never think about lines that I
can and cannot blur. Um. I just write and whatever
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kind of happens happens. Um. And there's a lot of
rock and roll in my blood that obviously kind of
bleeds into what I do. It always has um. But UM,
I think there's a lot of special songs on this record.
If I have that big hit, we'll see. Well. I
hope you do. I wish only the best for you, um,
just having known you and loving the music for so
long man, such good stuff. UM, so finish this sentence
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for me. So in I hope for more blank and
less blank. Uh, I hope poof. I hope for more
electric and less acoustic, because I've just done a whole
year of acoustic I'll say that. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
It's a song is called She's Mine. I have a
little game here it's mine or yours. Oh and by
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the way, uh, obviously the song is about finding that
person she's hiding out. I gotta travel the world to
get to worse ever she is. Tell her if you
see her, let me know this kind of idea. So
have you found her yet, Cody, I'm never gonna tell
you that man ever, that that's one thing they will
always stay sacred. What's gonna happen with me is it's
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just gonna pop up and be like keep you got married,
And no, you're not gonna ever even know that there
was somebody along the way, you know, Like it'll just
be like a very like I've just always held that
car close. So you think it's gonna when it happens,
you're gonna just do it. And well, what I mean
is that I will keep the privacy of the relationship,
um intact, you know. And I know that once I
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get married, and that privacy will somewhat be gone because
people are just gonna know. But um, I get it,
you know, I just that's just that's just how I am.
And it's to each its own, and I've just kind
of always been that way. And I also I want
to keep their life private. I don't want them getting
attacked in any kind of way, like I don't. I
don't want to be arguing about silly things of that nature.
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So I've had that happened before, you know, even when
I've just been out in public with somebody, then it's,
you know, somebody take a picture and all of a sudden,
that person is getting harassed, and I hate that they
have to deal with that kind of stuff. So I
just keep those things close. I completely respect it, and
I um, I love your stance on that, honestly, because
I hate asking that question. But you know, it becomes
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one of those things in our nutty world where you
have to ask and you have to have an answer
on the other side of it too, because I've also
been on both sides of it and trying to figure
out how to navigate that world, and you have to
It is a personal thing, and yet you have to
answer it at some level, you know. And for me also,
and once again, it's to each his own. Like I've
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never cast any judgment on how people do their world,
but like for me if if I'm in love with somebody,
I'm just gonna kind of roll over and tell him
that I'm not gonna need to broadcast it, you know
what I mean, That's just how I am. I'll roll
over and I'll show you how I feel about you
and tell you, Um, I just don't need to. I
don't feel the need to share that with the world. Ladies,
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He's gonna roll over and tell you how it feels. Yes,
all right, here we go. Good, she's mine, So here
we go. Minor yours. You have a phone. I know
you're kind of minimalist, but you don't have it with me.
But you have a phone, So tell me. Are these
things we can find in your phone? Or mine? Mine?
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Are yours? Okay? A weather app yours? I've never looked
at the weather in my entire life on TV and anything.
I'm obsessed my weather. You know. Here's the here's the
thing for me. How about every time you get on
the plane you're almost asleep. They've already done two or
three different intercom announcements that you know, and then we're
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gonna do it. We're gonna do a fourth announcement by
the time you finally get up in the sky and
you're starting to nod off, and the pilot comes on,
and you never can quite understand what the pilot is saying.
It's always very like and we're here intending we're gonna
hear the west and the SATs it's gonna be thirty degrees,
And I'm like, I don't need to hear a weather report.
I've already packed my bags. Ain't what I can do
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about it now. I don't need to know what the
weather is gonna be when I land because I'm already
hosed one way or the other. I can't do anything
about it from this high, so let's just just let
me sleep. I don't need a weather report. There's a
great bit that Jerry Seinfeld does on one of his
comedy uh routines uh CDs or whatever, uh, and he
does the whole thing you just said he had. Really,
it's like, seeld um, when you get on the plane,
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they're gonna tell you where you're gonna go. They're gonna
tell you whether one is gonna be, And I'm like,
just give me the word says the tickets five, we're
gonnas gonna tell you exactly what he's gonna do. We're
gonna take a right over the Rockies move down to face.
I'm like, yeah, okay, fine, ya just get where it says.
Why do I need to know that it's a ten
not win? Like, what is that gonna do for me?
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Right here in this seat? Okay? Back to minor yours
here snapchat yours don't have one song lyrics? Mine? Yeah,
definitely um shirtless picks with probably years unless and let's
it's the wintertime. When I go to the beach, there
might be one, one or two jim selfies definitely mine.
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You uh drunk text, uh could be me? Christmas songs
you definitely. I'm not the guy. Man. I couldn't seen
you one single crisp song from top to bottom. And
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you're gonna call me the Grinch when I say this, man,
I just it's something I have never gotten. The only
person I can listen to seeing Christmas is Frank Sinatra.
Anybody else I do not want to hear the ball
seeing Santa Claus has come to town and he's my favorite.
They're saying, I'm on fire and thunder Road bad Lands,
give me that, don't give me Santa Claus's coming to town.
I'm out I'll turn the radio off like I don't
want any part of it. Love it. Thank you for
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coming and kill more Man always the best. Here's the
I feel like it's gonna be amazing two for you.
So thank you. Let's keep those good vibes coming. Good
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