October 26, 2020 • 28 mins
We can't get enough of Gavin DeGraw, and according to Instagram, it looks like we might be hearing some new music soon!
In this podcast replay, let's revisit one of Cody Alan's favorite conversations from 2019 and hear Gavin talk joining Luke Bryan's 'Crash My Playa Festival,' watching contestants perform his songs on American Idol, going undercover in a karaoke bar, and Gavin even shares some untold first-time experiences.
Plus: The "I Don't Want To Be" singer reveals all the awkward, uncomfortable, and yet amazing situations that we all seem to encounter. And, spoiler alert, Cody spills his DeGraw "fangirl" moment after seeing Gavin play a Texas show.
It's all right here on Cody Cast Podcast Episode 156.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Cody Cast This Cody Allen's podcast. I cannot
tell you how excited I am to have Gavin to
Graw in studio with me, and not only a guy
who lives in Nashville with so many country music connections,
but also one of my favorite singers and songwriters over
the years. Just loving the death. So I'm glad you're here.
Last Monday, you were supposed to be here, but you
had a car accident. Good news is no one was
(00:22):
hurt and you were is your insurance kicked in? And
I hope, so yeah we got some good You have
a good plan. I hope. Okay, yeah, I hope. So
it's a Deevo care and uh, you know, I think
I think they're gonna cover it. Man, I hope they
cover it. It was a mass. Do you have a
sizeable deductible or how does that? Man? Right now, I
(00:46):
don't know what's gonna happen. I I think I do.
I don't handle much of the financial stuff. Could add
it math and slept through a lot of high school. Uh,
and um, so I leave somebody else? Yeah, Um, I
don't even really. I don't really handle grocery shopping. So
good even that math is a little high for me.
(01:06):
Have you discovered uh shipped? No s h I p
t uh. And so these people like, first of all,
I'm all about bringing things to my doorstep. Yes, so
I've discovered your drizzly you know that z l y.
That's like they bring alcohol to your door. So if
you it's true going on around here, you ordered on
(01:29):
an app and they just bring it to you. I
mean there's a little fee involved, but for the convenience
of it, and ship is the same way you basically
you signed up. I'm not being paid for this, by
the way, I should be paid for this. You should.
Why is there not an endorsement? Hello? I think that
I think you need a pay raise through a sponsor
(01:50):
of some sort. You should get a percentage, dude. You
just put what you want on the list and they
go get it. They bring it to your door without
you having to step out of your house. I think
that's absolutely ingenious. It's really good. So so that way
I don't have to go out of my house and
my slippers in my bathroom like I do typically to
go get something because I'm like, there's no way I'm
lacing up my boots right now. You know, I've been
(02:11):
preaching the gospel of Gavin for I don't know how
many years, seriously I have since I saw you the
first time in Dallas. Um, when I don't want to
be came out and I was like, I wouldn't see you,
and I like the song. I'm like most people at
the time, I like, my god, that song is so good.
But um, when I saw you and saw you play
like Cherry and all the piano and follow Through and
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all those songs that were huge off that first album,
I was blown away to the point where I fan
girls after the show to to say hi to you
by your bus. So that's how weird I was. And
we met then and we met them like very briefly,
no picture or anything. I was like, just want to
shake your hand. But um, what a compliment. It was
(02:55):
a little three sixty moment. Whenever I saw you at
Luke's crashed my apply at this. That wasn't that great? Yeah?
I love that event. Question when you when we met originally,
were you in radio at the time. Were you you
were doing this as well? I was typing this type
of thing. Yeah, I was doing the Wolf and Dallas
Country radio stations. Uh, and it was probably what was
(03:16):
that three man, Let's see, my record came out O three.
I didn't have any success with it until I want
to say, late oh four or or maybe mid oh five. Yeah,
so it could have been either one of those. At
those times the moment you were like on every show,
you were doing everything a lot of shows. Yeah, I
(03:36):
was like, what you saw was probably like the remains
of me from however, many morning shows and and late
night shows at the time, you know, they you know,
you get the opportunity to get all that explosion, of course,
all at all at once, and so every time you
do make an appearance, it's sort of like the tattered
version of yourself, you know what I mean. Like I
(03:57):
swear I'm usually a little better than this, you know,
I don't look quite this horrible either, by the way,
you know, and I need a shower. You know. You
were impressive that night and at cross My Player you
played with Luke and the crew, and yeah, man, what
an't event? You know? It's funny. I mean that whole
thing came about, uh because because Bobby Bones event uh
(04:19):
at at the Rhyman one night and it had come
in and I said. Oh. They said, well, you would
you come down and do this this event and raise
money for St. Jude And here's the accident. Are gonna
be on it? And uh, I said, yeah, obviously. I
mean I live literally around the corner. You know. Um,
I know that you do live in Nashville. I live. Yeah,
I live in Nashville. I've been here. I've been living
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here like maybe about ten years, you know. Um, and
I live. I like to live in the downtown area
because of well, because the drinking is here really and uh,
you know, and they can't drink and drive, and I
actually don't trust other people's driving, so I'd rather just
stagger homes. You know. That's really my next single home. Yeah,
(05:04):
that's it. That's it right down here. Yeah. Man, So
we gotta get up man, and and throw a couple back.
You know, Bobby Bones won't go drinking with you, but
I will. Well, you know what, he doesn't drink. He
doesn't drink at all. Really, well, man, we gotta change that.
You know. We'll have to pre open that water bottle
before he gets ahold of it. You know. So So
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that night when I was backstage and I saw Luke
and um, me and Luke had had dinner. Man had
to be over ten years ago. Um, back before we
had anything really going on. We had a dinner in
New York with a couple of you know, important people
in the business, I guess, and they were like, you know,
big thing's gonna happen for you. He and I were like,
(05:45):
they are, And then we were just a couple of dudes,
you know, And they were like, we should probably have
each other's phone numbers, but we never, you know, we
didn't really keep in touch a lot. It would be
once in a while, what's up as it going? So
when I saw him backstage, he was standing there with
a guy, and a guy goes, hey, Man, do you
remember me? I said, I know your face, like I
know this guy's face, and I'm trying to remember how
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I know his face. He said, you had s'mores at
my house. I said I did. He goes, yeah, you
had never had s'mores before. I said, that's weird. So anyway,
I guess what happened was I was friendly with an
engineer here in town named David Hall, and I was
over hanging with him and his house and his son
was going into Citadel and whatnot. Wanted to talk to
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his kid. You know, I said, yeah, I'll come over,
we'll hang out. And next door his neighbors were having
a campfire and doing smores and stuff. Said hey, man,
we're having a campfire because more as you want to
come hang out. And I was like, yeah, sure, let's
hang out. And they had a dog. I love dogs.
So so backstage, as it turned out, this guy was
Lukes TM, you know, his tour manager and whatnot, and
they were talking about crash my pliya and I said,
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you know what, maybe I'll hop on a plane. And
I was just kidding, and uh, They're like, do it man.
I said, yeah, all right, you know. I well, actually
we'll show up though, you know. And and I did.
You know, I actually did show up, you know, and
I showed up and I was like, so, what's up?
Where's my room? You know what I mean? They're like,
we actually got one just in case you came. Yeah.
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So I had a great time, man, and and Luke
was a great host, and you know, insisted, hey, man,
stick around, let's hang out, let's play, let's play music,
and we're gonna have like a Luke and Friends night
with you know, Chris Jansen and Dustin Lynch and uh,
I mean, everybody played, so it was it was a
great time, man, I was. I was actually thrilled to
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be there, and particularly coming out of the world that
I came out of UM, which didn't seem to have
as much camaraderie, you know, coming out of the the
other music styles. I never really experienced much of that
camaraderie you know, in the rock, in the pop wor
worlds of music. It just doesn't exist there. I just
wasn't feeling it as much. In the country world, there
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really is a sense of community. I mean you feel
it in Nashville, Tennessee. There's a sense of community, you know.
I mean, I mean people talked about it when you
all have that flood years ago, and there was a
sense of community. People are all helping each other out,
telling each other out. You know. It's a thing and
um that transcends from this neighborhood of Nashville, Tennessee into
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the into the country music world. There's a sense of that,
you know, and I think everybody knows that in order
to make it in this country realm, that community is
important and that everyone who is in it experience that community.
Lending them a hand, and often I haven't experienced the
other side of it, like if that exists anywhere else,
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And I get I hear more people say exactly what
you just said, amazing, that this is special what we have,
and I'm kind of spoilt by it because I already like,
I've always been doing this, so I've always been country music.
So lucky, lucky man, lucky man. I am a lucky
man man. Have you seen Luke on American Idol. I've
caught the glimpses of it. You can watch much TV um,
(08:57):
but I've seen the advertisements. I've seen it on some
billboard sometimes smiling, I'm like, oh, there's Luke right there.
You know what I mean. I don't want to be
It was probably early on an American Ido. A lot
of people did that song as their audition song on
the show. Do you remember the first time you heard
someone else do the song? Uh? First time I heard
someone else do that song? Uh? Let me think, I
(09:22):
think I actually think it was an American Idol contestant.
And I think his name was bo Bice, right, remember
the hair? Yeah? Yeah? And and he was a great,
really good singer. Yeah. And that I think maybe the
first time I heard a cover. It was either that
or one of the seasons that they actually they mixed
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me from the show that was using my song and
they were using guest singers. Guest singers would come in,
so you have all these artists coming in um singing
the song, covering the song, and I can't remember if
it was one of those or if it was bo Bice.
To me, I think it was the bo Bice performance,
you know, in the day. And then I covered me once.
(10:03):
I covered me once at a karaoke bar in Los
Angeles because really yeah, because I was in there with
my brother and you know, my brother his real wise guy,
and uh, and he said, uh, he was like, you
should go doing I was like, I'm not gonna do on.
I mean, I'd look like you know, TACKI and this
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and that. He's like, all right, he's probably right. And
about twenty minutes later, the intro starts that I don't
want to be the d and then and uh, and
the guy goes gathering it is gathering in the audience
like this. I looked at my brother. I was like,
I'm never gonna forgive you for this, you know what
I mean? Yeah, and I had to. I had to
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do it at that point, you know, because Dolly Parton
tells the story about entering a drag contest of Dolly's
you're lying to me true story she told him hot
twenty back. I guess it was December when she was
on the show. Mind blowing incredible, right, she absolutely By
the way, he was not the best dollar of the dollars.
(11:06):
It's amazing. Yeah, dude, Oh get this, this is funny.
This is along those lines, all right. So I lived
in in the New York area for a long time,
and I was playing all these little nightclubs, you know.
And there's a street there called Bleaker Street World, you know,
classically like all the old old dudes from you know,
the sixties played all their gigs down there, you know,
(11:27):
Hendrix and Bob Dylan and you name it. And uh,
and I used to beat the street down there, you know,
and and and play all these little nightclubs, you know,
me and guys I knew. And it's real local crew players,
you know, Bleaker. And so one day I go in
there and uh, it's probably a seven. And I go
back to one of my old haunts that I used
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to play every Monday night. It was called the Red Lion.
It was right next to the first place I ever
played New York City, called a Bit of Rent. So
I walked in the Red Lion and a friend of
mines playing and he goes, uh, hey, Gavin, you know
you wanna you wanta you wanna play a couple of tunes.
He doesn't say it on the mic. He said, you
want to play a couple of times? Yeah, you know,
why not? Sure, I say, so, I play a couple
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of tunes and I go back to the bar, you know,
and uh, and I'm throwing another one back and this
guy comes over to me and he's got this, uh
kind of a thick European accent. And I can't tell
what country it is because I don't spend a lot
of time uh in every country when we go overseas,
you know, you spend a few days here, a few
(12:30):
days there. It's pretty thick. And uh he says to
me in his accent, which I wanted him, Uh, hey,
you know that was that was like it was like
pretty good. And I said, hey, man, well, you know, um,
thanks a lot, and he says, uh, but you know
you have a problem. And I said, okay, well that's
(12:54):
kind of bold. You know, we just met, and uh
he said, I said, well, what is my problem exactly?
He said, well, you know, when you cover him, he
sounded a little too much like Gavin DeGraw. And I said,
I'm sorry what he said, when you cover him, you
sound like you're impersonating Gavin DeGraw. And I said, that's
(13:17):
pretty funny, and I thought he was kidding. And um,
and I said, I am Gavin. You know, he goes
he's nuts Gavin. And I said, no, I am, he
goes they're not and and I said, no, really I am,
and it really He got really angry that I was
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claiming to have an identity that to him clearly was
not my identity. And I was, you know, some kind
of imposter and he demanded my license, at which point
I presented it to him and then we had a
good laugh. And then, um, but that actually the dollar
story makes me at because that's actually how real, how
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real it is because we look very I think people
look different in person than they do on TV. Right, Um,
we're also polished up, you know, you get the makeup
and the things, and they script it down and Guideliner
and all that stuff, you know what I mean, you know,
and so you're like, oh, man, you know so so yeah,
you know, guy forbid he walked out of a you know,
(14:23):
out of a building after a TV appearance. You're like, man,
a guy, he I look like I was winning the
drag contest, you know. So you know, it's just it's
just the way TV works, you know, because but also
it's it's we look so different because the camera it's
a single lens, right, So it's not it's not capturing
the look, you know, you know, you just look different
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in person totally. Well, and then you guys wouldn't have
Smortes no, no, no, no, I didn't have smor to
that guy. No, I didn't have smar to that guy. Oh.
You have so many country music connections Brett Young. Most recently,
I learned about Love You're gonna co headline with him
in Vegas. You gotta song The Chapters, which is such
a great song. Um, so how did you two first meet? It?
(15:08):
It was so you know, I hate to use the
word organic because it's just an overused term in the
music business, but if you don't mind Gavin speaking into
the microphone, that would be great. I was getting real organic.
You're not using the microphone. I was like, let me
just speak to the room here. Yeah. So so anyways,
so not to overuse the term, but you know, I
(15:30):
was out in h l A for a gig. I
had played a place called the Greek out there, which
is really beautiful emph theater um. And so after the show,
you know, don't get me wrong, I love people, but
I like my hermit time too, you know, I like
my time alone. And you know, because particularly I heard time, Yeah,
that's a good time. Yeah. So you know, after you
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do a show and you're you're you're with people you
love something you don't, right, so and some strangers, some friends,
and and so you're just bombarded. You know, you've bombarded
with work, you know. And so you know, you're work
in the room or the backstage or whatever it is,
and it's great, but after a while you kind of
you just run out of hellos, you know. And so
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at the end of the night, it's very late, and
I go out for a stroll, you know, because it
don't get me wrong, I don't like to exercise, but
to walk I like to do, you know what. I
like to walk, you know, like go for a stroll. Right.
He won't catch me at the gym, but you will
catch me walking around town, you know. So So anyway,
I'm walking past this really famous diner in the l
(16:36):
a On Sunset Strip called Mills right there. Right, So,
so I'm walking down Sunset Strip. I've already had a
long night and i've you know, probably had a few.
And I'm walking, sure enough past this place and I
hear somebody say, hey Gavin, and it's late, like I said,
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and I'm like, and I keep walking, Hey Gavin, and
it's a dude's voice, you know, a big guy voice. Right.
I'm like, I'm like, no, like, who's like, who's gonna
you know, aft with me right now? It's like the
middle of the night. This is not gonna be good, right,
And I turned and sure enough it was actually a
very big person. It's great young right, And I'm like, God,
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this guy's gonna be a problem, you know what I mean.
He's big, dude, you know, he's like six six, right.
I don't know if I can handle all this right now.
So but he smiles, he says something nice, and I said, okay,
all right, maybe this is all right. So we get
to talk in and he he pretty much leads off
with a music music question or music business question. He
sounded like he was really interested in playing music. And
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so we spoke about a half hour or so, and
I gave my opinions on some things, and you know
what I thought he should do if he was interested
in playing music. Well, I end up seeing him again, however,
many months later. I can't remember where. It may have
been the Hawaii gig, and uh, we end up hanging out,
me and a buddy his and me and my pops
and and uh. At that time, I was like, this
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guy's a good guy, said man, Takedown, my number may
stay and we'll stay in touch, you know. And over
the years we became friends, and you know, we always
you know, have a few and uh. And he'd always
tell me about his progress playing gigs and stuff like that,
you know, writing songs, playing me demos and tell me
about his progress and and the struggle and all that stuff.
And I totally identified with it, because you know, I
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came up playing playing ballrooms. So the course of the
last handful of years, he'd say, hey man, moving to Nashville,
Hey man, I moved to Nashville. Hey man, I got signed.
Hey I'm cutting record. Hey I got a single out.
Hey man, I got my first number one phone rings Again.
A couple of months later, Hey man, I got my
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second number one. Hell man, that's incredible. Congratulations yet again,
Hey man, I got my third number one. I was like,
stop trying to make everybody feel bad, Brett, you know.
So so anyways, you know a few more, let's go by.
We're hanging out and uh, he reaches out. He said, Hey,
how you feel about getting in the studio. We'll write
(19:06):
a song together. I said, I'd love to do that,
of course, I said, But he said he didn't want
to just write, uh, a love story. I said, well,
it was perfect because I'd love to write you know,
your story, your autobiography. You know. I want to write
the song that you feel like you don't ever want
to play a show without playing that song. That's the
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kind of song I want to write, you know. And
we got together, he and I and a mutual friend
of our name Ross Copperman, who I met ten fifteen
years ago, I think in London when I was playing
out there, and uh he was an artist at the time. Ross,
great guy, really talented, right, and we always kept in
touch here and there. So it's very natural progression, right
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that we'd all end up in the room together and
write a song. And then as we were finishing the
song writing session, uh, Brett said, hey, why don't you
uh sing at the end, And I said, well, it's
your record and it's your story. Uh, if you insist,
I would obviously love to be part of it, if
we can find the right verse for us for that
to make sense, of course, you know, and we did.
(20:10):
We wrote the right type of verseon and so I
guessed on on that on that record, which is an
absolute honor. So the songs, chapters, chapters, chapters, and and
the opening line for Brett, I mean, you know, Brett
used to play ball, and so baseball player, and he
almost he was being scouted by the pros when he
threw his arm out and uh, and so the opening
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line is so just just really a great way I
thought to begin his life story. Chapter one. I was
raised on the Dodgers. Every boy wants to be like
his father, you know, just to bring you into the
world that you know that he grew up in um
singing about you know, his sports, his sports dreams. I
love the song thank you so much. He says, you're
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you're his biggest musical influence. Boy, that that's pretty heavy, right,
that's heavy. Yeah, that's that's heavy. That's that's not an honor.
That's really kind of him because because my my biggest
influence is Billy Joel. He's mine my tip top favorite
artists of all time. And to me, I know, with that,
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with that accolade is you know what I mean? So
I don't take that lightly. I mean because I mean
where I hold Billy is a very very special place.
You know, you opened up shows for him. Oh yeah,
Billy has been very good to me. We did New
Year's together again this year in Nassau, Colicy and which
is out Long Island, which is sort of like you know,
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opening for the Pope and the Vatican. You know what
I made opening for Billy and Long Island is like
very important, you know it pretty cool? Who are you?
Who are your other friends and country music? I know
you work with Sarah Evans, I have I have you?
She was wonderful, love her so much. She's my favorite
female country and truly not human being right, so fun
(22:02):
and so decent, so real, like she you always get
the same Sarah. You never know quite what she's gonna say,
which I love that about it. I can go anywhere
with an interview. I mean, you could take on New Life.
You didn't expect she she's she's very very not just nice,
but like super talented, super talented. Um Martina McBride, Uh
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and I get on great years ago, Tricia yourwood was
just so good to me. Um garth Um. I don't
know how I ended up meeting all these people just separately,
and you know, they're all they're just good people in
the country music world. Man. You know, Keith Urban super nice.
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I mean, all these guys are such good people. They're
just you meet them and you just want to be
their friend. And I think that's it's almost a prerequisite
in country. Well, when I met you and really had
a decent conversation with you at Crash My Play, I
thought to myself, I really want to be his friend.
And so I'm so glad this has worked out that
you were able to come today and real quick before
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we let you take off her. Um, you have a
bar in Nashville. I do. I hope you come to it.
I want to have a freak drinks man, let's let's
make this happen. Let's go the Nashville Underground. I was there.
I was there this weekend. I remember some of it.
Is it true? You're putting in a heard a bowling
the second floor? Yeah, third and fourth floor. Yeah yeah,
(23:31):
third and fourth floor. So first first, first floors, bar, food,
bar and food. Second floor we also have barn food,
A lot of events we have on second floor in
our our bowl, our bull riding, and then uh yeah,
and then uh, fifth and sixth floor. Fifth is our
it's sort of our night club, you know, like what
this giant L E D floor you know, nightclub kind
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of thing. Rooftop. Then we have we have green roof
and uh, you know, typical outdoor games stuff like that.
So we'll do bowling and more games on the third
and the fourth floor. Man, And uh, I'm excited about
it because I suck at bowling, so I want to
I want to improve my game at bowling because lifetime
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sports are key, are key. What's your go to drink?
A beer? Guy? I love beer, I really do. Is
that because it looks like my caloric intake is exceeding
my caloric output. No, no, no no, I just when you
said earlier. You throw another back. I thought that that's
a beer term. That's a beer term. Yeah, and uh yeah, man,
(24:38):
I do I do like I do like the fizzle.
You know, beer is so good and delicious and uh
you know why else? Beer as good as because you
can take your time. You can make it through a
whole night sipping beers. You cannot make it through a
whole night sipping old fashions. You know what I mean.
That's hospital time. You know, you gotta you gotta pace it.
(25:00):
It's got to be a slightly lower alcohol content. You
can start with an old fashioned. Sure, you know you
can't keep it going all night. You can't go all
night long. Not a chance you're gonna wake up wearing
someone else's clothes. Not a good time. Peean in a
trash can would be bad. I promise you all right. Musically,
(25:23):
this year, what's your what do you hope to accomplish?
What you got going on? Because man, I know you
can't give it all away, but I can't. You got
some some stuff. I'm working on some stuff, Yeah, I
really am, and thank you for that. I I'm really
working on kind of approaching music from another angle. Uh
you know, I never particularly categorize myself as an artist.
(25:44):
I'm just a songwriter, um, and I'm making I would
call a songwriter's record, you know, and that might lean
more Americana, or that might lean more country. Um, but
I'm not audacious and saying I am a country react.
I'm a songwriter, and the country market embrace his songwriting.
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And so I'm gonna make a songwriter's style record in
the vein of a seeger or a petty And that's
the that's where my heart is musically right now, you know,
those are those are some heroes of mine who haven't
who I haven't been uh tapping into as much in
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the last couple of records as I want to tap
into this record. That's why I'm writing this record alone. Um,
a lot of hermit time, A lot of hermit time, man,
a lot of hermit time, that's right. And so my
first few records I wrote alone, and then the last
couple of records I would write with other people. So
this is a good opportunity for me to to to
write an entire record again by myself and really tap
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into that thing, you know. And back around on on
New Year's Eve, I was I was talking to Billy
Joel and I and I said, he was asking me
what I'm up to, and I told him I'm writing
this record. And I said, I think it comes off
a little weird sometimes because my buddies are saying, hey, man,
come out, let's you know, let's run a game of ball,
or let's hit the bar. And don't get me wrong,
I like doing all those things. But sometimes I it's
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hard to get out of the house. I say, honestly, man,
I just I just gotta I just gotta spend some
time alone. I'm working on these songs, you know. And
Billy said, you gotta go away, man, Sometimes you just
gotta go away. If you want to put together that
next thing and you want it to work, you gotta
get away and and put in that that alone time.
I said, I thank you for that, because that's I
need to hear from from you, you know, I need
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to hear from a guy like that. Yeah, I mean,
I got coming from Billy Joel because some folks like
to get away, take a holiday from the neighborhood. I
like what you did there. I like what you did
there exactly. You do no wrong when it comes to music.
You're so nice. I don't say that about a lot
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of people, but I just love you. Do bring more,
bring this new sound the songwriter's album to us, and
are support from me or any of us here at
CMT Hollo. You're so nice man, Really, I the opportunity
to come in here and speak with you is truly
gigantic and and not something I'd take lightly. So I
appreciate your time and thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Welcome to Cody Cast This Cody Allen's podcast. I cannot
tell you how excited I am to have Gavin to
Graw in studio with me, and not only a guy
who lives in Nashville with so many country music connections,
but also one of my favorite singers and songwriters over
the years. Just loving the death. So I'm glad you're here.
Last Monday, you were supposed to be here, but you
had a car accident. Good news is no one was
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hurt and you were is your insurance kicked in? And
I hope, so yeah we got some good You have
a good plan. I hope. Okay, yeah, I hope. So
it's a Deevo care and uh, you know, I think
I think they're gonna cover it. Man, I hope they
cover it. It was a mass. Do you have a
sizeable deductible or how does that? Man? Right now, I
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don't know what's gonna happen. I I think I do.
I don't handle much of the financial stuff. Could add
it math and slept through a lot of high school. Uh,
and um, so I leave somebody else? Yeah, Um, I
don't even really. I don't really handle grocery shopping. So
good even that math is a little high for me.
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Have you discovered uh shipped? No s h I p
t uh. And so these people like, first of all,
I'm all about bringing things to my doorstep. Yes, so
I've discovered your drizzly you know that z l y.
That's like they bring alcohol to your door. So if
you it's true going on around here, you ordered on
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an app and they just bring it to you. I
mean there's a little fee involved, but for the convenience
of it, and ship is the same way you basically
you signed up. I'm not being paid for this, by
the way, I should be paid for this. You should.
Why is there not an endorsement? Hello? I think that
I think you need a pay raise through a sponsor
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of some sort. You should get a percentage, dude. You
just put what you want on the list and they
go get it. They bring it to your door without
you having to step out of your house. I think
that's absolutely ingenious. It's really good. So so that way
I don't have to go out of my house and
my slippers in my bathroom like I do typically to
go get something because I'm like, there's no way I'm
lacing up my boots right now. You know, I've been
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preaching the gospel of Gavin for I don't know how
many years, seriously I have since I saw you the
first time in Dallas. Um, when I don't want to
be came out and I was like, I wouldn't see you,
and I like the song. I'm like most people at
the time, I like, my god, that song is so good.
But um, when I saw you and saw you play
like Cherry and all the piano and follow Through and
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all those songs that were huge off that first album,
I was blown away to the point where I fan
girls after the show to to say hi to you
by your bus. So that's how weird I was. And
we met then and we met them like very briefly,
no picture or anything. I was like, just want to
shake your hand. But um, what a compliment. It was
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a little three sixty moment. Whenever I saw you at
Luke's crashed my apply at this. That wasn't that great? Yeah?
I love that event. Question when you when we met originally,
were you in radio at the time. Were you you
were doing this as well? I was typing this type
of thing. Yeah, I was doing the Wolf and Dallas
Country radio stations. Uh, and it was probably what was
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that three man, Let's see, my record came out O three.
I didn't have any success with it until I want
to say, late oh four or or maybe mid oh five. Yeah,
so it could have been either one of those. At
those times the moment you were like on every show,
you were doing everything a lot of shows. Yeah, I
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was like, what you saw was probably like the remains
of me from however, many morning shows and and late
night shows at the time, you know, they you know,
you get the opportunity to get all that explosion, of course,
all at all at once, and so every time you
do make an appearance, it's sort of like the tattered
version of yourself, you know what I mean. Like I
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swear I'm usually a little better than this, you know,
I don't look quite this horrible either, by the way,
you know, and I need a shower. You know. You
were impressive that night and at cross My Player you
played with Luke and the crew, and yeah, man, what
an't event? You know? It's funny. I mean that whole
thing came about, uh because because Bobby Bones event uh
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at at the Rhyman one night and it had come
in and I said. Oh. They said, well, you would
you come down and do this this event and raise
money for St. Jude And here's the accident. Are gonna
be on it? And uh, I said, yeah, obviously. I
mean I live literally around the corner. You know. Um,
I know that you do live in Nashville. I live. Yeah,
I live in Nashville. I've been here. I've been living
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here like maybe about ten years, you know. Um, and
I live. I like to live in the downtown area
because of well, because the drinking is here really and uh,
you know, and they can't drink and drive, and I
actually don't trust other people's driving, so I'd rather just
stagger homes. You know. That's really my next single home. Yeah,
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that's it. That's it right down here. Yeah. Man, So
we gotta get up man, and and throw a couple back.
You know, Bobby Bones won't go drinking with you, but
I will. Well, you know what, he doesn't drink. He
doesn't drink at all. Really, well, man, we gotta change that.
You know. We'll have to pre open that water bottle
before he gets ahold of it. You know. So So
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that night when I was backstage and I saw Luke
and um, me and Luke had had dinner. Man had
to be over ten years ago. Um, back before we
had anything really going on. We had a dinner in
New York with a couple of you know, important people
in the business, I guess, and they were like, you know,
big thing's gonna happen for you. He and I were like,
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they are, And then we were just a couple of dudes,
you know, And they were like, we should probably have
each other's phone numbers, but we never, you know, we
didn't really keep in touch a lot. It would be
once in a while, what's up as it going? So
when I saw him backstage, he was standing there with
a guy, and a guy goes, hey, Man, do you
remember me? I said, I know your face, like I
know this guy's face, and I'm trying to remember how
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I know his face. He said, you had s'mores at
my house. I said I did. He goes, yeah, you
had never had s'mores before. I said, that's weird. So anyway,
I guess what happened was I was friendly with an
engineer here in town named David Hall, and I was
over hanging with him and his house and his son
was going into Citadel and whatnot. Wanted to talk to
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his kid. You know, I said, yeah, I'll come over,
we'll hang out. And next door his neighbors were having
a campfire and doing smores and stuff. Said hey, man,
we're having a campfire because more as you want to
come hang out. And I was like, yeah, sure, let's
hang out. And they had a dog. I love dogs.
So so backstage, as it turned out, this guy was
Lukes TM, you know, his tour manager and whatnot, and
they were talking about crash my pliya and I said,
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you know what, maybe I'll hop on a plane. And
I was just kidding, and uh, They're like, do it man.
I said, yeah, all right, you know. I well, actually
we'll show up though, you know. And and I did.
You know, I actually did show up, you know, and
I showed up and I was like, so, what's up?
Where's my room? You know what I mean? They're like,
we actually got one just in case you came. Yeah.
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So I had a great time, man, and and Luke
was a great host, and you know, insisted, hey, man,
stick around, let's hang out, let's play, let's play music,
and we're gonna have like a Luke and Friends night
with you know, Chris Jansen and Dustin Lynch and uh,
I mean, everybody played, so it was it was a
great time, man, I was. I was actually thrilled to
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be there, and particularly coming out of the world that
I came out of UM, which didn't seem to have
as much camaraderie, you know, coming out of the the
other music styles. I never really experienced much of that
camaraderie you know, in the rock, in the pop wor
worlds of music. It just doesn't exist there. I just
wasn't feeling it as much. In the country world, there
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really is a sense of community. I mean you feel
it in Nashville, Tennessee. There's a sense of community, you know.
I mean, I mean people talked about it when you
all have that flood years ago, and there was a
sense of community. People are all helping each other out,
telling each other out. You know. It's a thing and
um that transcends from this neighborhood of Nashville, Tennessee into
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the into the country music world. There's a sense of that,
you know, and I think everybody knows that in order
to make it in this country realm, that community is
important and that everyone who is in it experience that community.
Lending them a hand, and often I haven't experienced the
other side of it, like if that exists anywhere else,
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And I get I hear more people say exactly what
you just said, amazing, that this is special what we have,
and I'm kind of spoilt by it because I already like,
I've always been doing this, so I've always been country music.
So lucky, lucky man, lucky man. I am a lucky
man man. Have you seen Luke on American Idol. I've
caught the glimpses of it. You can watch much TV um,
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but I've seen the advertisements. I've seen it on some
billboard sometimes smiling, I'm like, oh, there's Luke right there.
You know what I mean. I don't want to be
It was probably early on an American Ido. A lot
of people did that song as their audition song on
the show. Do you remember the first time you heard
someone else do the song? Uh? First time I heard
someone else do that song? Uh? Let me think, I
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think I actually think it was an American Idol contestant.
And I think his name was bo Bice, right, remember
the hair? Yeah? Yeah? And and he was a great,
really good singer. Yeah. And that I think maybe the
first time I heard a cover. It was either that
or one of the seasons that they actually they mixed
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me from the show that was using my song and
they were using guest singers. Guest singers would come in,
so you have all these artists coming in um singing
the song, covering the song, and I can't remember if
it was one of those or if it was bo Bice.
To me, I think it was the bo Bice performance,
you know, in the day. And then I covered me once.
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I covered me once at a karaoke bar in Los
Angeles because really yeah, because I was in there with
my brother and you know, my brother his real wise guy,
and uh, and he said, uh, he was like, you
should go doing I was like, I'm not gonna do on.
I mean, I'd look like you know, TACKI and this
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and that. He's like, all right, he's probably right. And
about twenty minutes later, the intro starts that I don't
want to be the d and then and uh, and
the guy goes gathering it is gathering in the audience
like this. I looked at my brother. I was like,
I'm never gonna forgive you for this, you know what
I mean? Yeah, and I had to. I had to
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do it at that point, you know, because Dolly Parton
tells the story about entering a drag contest of Dolly's
you're lying to me true story she told him hot
twenty back. I guess it was December when she was
on the show. Mind blowing incredible, right, she absolutely By
the way, he was not the best dollar of the dollars.
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It's amazing. Yeah, dude, Oh get this, this is funny.
This is along those lines, all right. So I lived
in in the New York area for a long time,
and I was playing all these little nightclubs, you know.
And there's a street there called Bleaker Street World, you know,
classically like all the old old dudes from you know,
the sixties played all their gigs down there, you know,
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Hendrix and Bob Dylan and you name it. And uh,
and I used to beat the street down there, you know,
and and and play all these little nightclubs, you know,
me and guys I knew. And it's real local crew players,
you know, Bleaker. And so one day I go in
there and uh, it's probably a seven. And I go
back to one of my old haunts that I used
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to play every Monday night. It was called the Red Lion.
It was right next to the first place I ever
played New York City, called a Bit of Rent. So
I walked in the Red Lion and a friend of
mines playing and he goes, uh, hey, Gavin, you know
you wanna you wanta you wanna play a couple of tunes.
He doesn't say it on the mic. He said, you
want to play a couple of times? Yeah, you know,
why not? Sure, I say, so, I play a couple
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of tunes and I go back to the bar, you know,
and uh, and I'm throwing another one back and this
guy comes over to me and he's got this, uh
kind of a thick European accent. And I can't tell
what country it is because I don't spend a lot
of time uh in every country when we go overseas,
you know, you spend a few days here, a few
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days there. It's pretty thick. And uh he says to
me in his accent, which I wanted him, Uh, hey,
you know that was that was like it was like
pretty good. And I said, hey, man, well, you know, um,
thanks a lot, and he says, uh, but you know
you have a problem. And I said, okay, well that's
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kind of bold. You know, we just met, and uh
he said, I said, well, what is my problem exactly?
He said, well, you know, when you cover him, he
sounded a little too much like Gavin DeGraw. And I said,
I'm sorry what he said, when you cover him, you
sound like you're impersonating Gavin DeGraw. And I said, that's
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pretty funny, and I thought he was kidding. And um,
and I said, I am Gavin. You know, he goes
he's nuts Gavin. And I said, no, I am, he
goes they're not and and I said, no, really I am,
and it really He got really angry that I was
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claiming to have an identity that to him clearly was
not my identity. And I was, you know, some kind
of imposter and he demanded my license, at which point
I presented it to him and then we had a
good laugh. And then, um, but that actually the dollar
story makes me at because that's actually how real, how
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real it is because we look very I think people
look different in person than they do on TV. Right, Um,
we're also polished up, you know, you get the makeup
and the things, and they script it down and Guideliner
and all that stuff, you know what I mean, you know,
and so you're like, oh, man, you know so so yeah,
you know, guy forbid he walked out of a you know,
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out of a building after a TV appearance. You're like, man,
a guy, he I look like I was winning the
drag contest, you know. So you know, it's just it's
just the way TV works, you know, because but also
it's it's we look so different because the camera it's
a single lens, right, So it's not it's not capturing
the look, you know, you know, you just look different
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in person totally. Well, and then you guys wouldn't have
Smortes no, no, no, no, I didn't have smor to
that guy. No, I didn't have smar to that guy. Oh.
You have so many country music connections Brett Young. Most recently,
I learned about Love You're gonna co headline with him
in Vegas. You gotta song The Chapters, which is such
a great song. Um, so how did you two first meet? It?
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It was so you know, I hate to use the
word organic because it's just an overused term in the
music business, but if you don't mind Gavin speaking into
the microphone, that would be great. I was getting real organic.
You're not using the microphone. I was like, let me
just speak to the room here. Yeah. So so anyways,
so not to overuse the term, but you know, I
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was out in h l A for a gig. I
had played a place called the Greek out there, which
is really beautiful emph theater um. And so after the show,
you know, don't get me wrong, I love people, but
I like my hermit time too, you know, I like
my time alone. And you know, because particularly I heard time, Yeah,
that's a good time. Yeah. So you know, after you
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do a show and you're you're you're with people you
love something you don't, right, so and some strangers, some friends,
and and so you're just bombarded. You know, you've bombarded
with work, you know. And so you know, you're work
in the room or the backstage or whatever it is,
and it's great, but after a while you kind of
you just run out of hellos, you know. And so
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at the end of the night, it's very late, and
I go out for a stroll, you know, because it
don't get me wrong, I don't like to exercise, but
to walk I like to do, you know what. I
like to walk, you know, like go for a stroll. Right.
He won't catch me at the gym, but you will
catch me walking around town, you know. So So anyway,
I'm walking past this really famous diner in the l
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a On Sunset Strip called Mills right there. Right, So,
so I'm walking down Sunset Strip. I've already had a
long night and i've you know, probably had a few.
And I'm walking, sure enough past this place and I
hear somebody say, hey Gavin, and it's late, like I said,
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and I'm like, and I keep walking, Hey Gavin, and
it's a dude's voice, you know, a big guy voice. Right.
I'm like, I'm like, no, like, who's like, who's gonna
you know, aft with me right now? It's like the
middle of the night. This is not gonna be good, right,
And I turned and sure enough it was actually a
very big person. It's great young right, And I'm like, God,
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this guy's gonna be a problem, you know what I mean.
He's big, dude, you know, he's like six six, right.
I don't know if I can handle all this right now.
So but he smiles, he says something nice, and I said, okay,
all right, maybe this is all right. So we get
to talk in and he he pretty much leads off
with a music music question or music business question. He
sounded like he was really interested in playing music. And
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so we spoke about a half hour or so, and
I gave my opinions on some things, and you know
what I thought he should do if he was interested
in playing music. Well, I end up seeing him again, however,
many months later. I can't remember where. It may have
been the Hawaii gig, and uh, we end up hanging out,
me and a buddy his and me and my pops
and and uh. At that time, I was like, this
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guy's a good guy, said man, Takedown, my number may
stay and we'll stay in touch, you know. And over
the years we became friends, and you know, we always
you know, have a few and uh. And he'd always
tell me about his progress playing gigs and stuff like that,
you know, writing songs, playing me demos and tell me
about his progress and and the struggle and all that stuff.
And I totally identified with it, because you know, I
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came up playing playing ballrooms. So the course of the
last handful of years, he'd say, hey man, moving to Nashville,
Hey man, I moved to Nashville. Hey man, I got signed.
Hey I'm cutting record. Hey I got a single out.
Hey man, I got my first number one phone rings Again.
A couple of months later, Hey man, I got my
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second number one. Hell man, that's incredible. Congratulations yet again,
Hey man, I got my third number one. I was like,
stop trying to make everybody feel bad, Brett, you know.
So so anyways, you know a few more, let's go by.
We're hanging out and uh, he reaches out. He said, Hey,
how you feel about getting in the studio. We'll write
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a song together. I said, I'd love to do that,
of course, I said, But he said he didn't want
to just write, uh, a love story. I said, well,
it was perfect because I'd love to write you know,
your story, your autobiography. You know. I want to write
the song that you feel like you don't ever want
to play a show without playing that song. That's the
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kind of song I want to write, you know. And
we got together, he and I and a mutual friend
of our name Ross Copperman, who I met ten fifteen
years ago, I think in London when I was playing
out there, and uh he was an artist at the time. Ross,
great guy, really talented, right, and we always kept in
touch here and there. So it's very natural progression, right
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that we'd all end up in the room together and
write a song. And then as we were finishing the
song writing session, uh, Brett said, hey, why don't you
uh sing at the end, And I said, well, it's
your record and it's your story. Uh, if you insist,
I would obviously love to be part of it, if
we can find the right verse for us for that
to make sense, of course, you know, and we did.
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We wrote the right type of verseon and so I
guessed on on that on that record, which is an
absolute honor. So the songs, chapters, chapters, chapters, and and
the opening line for Brett, I mean, you know, Brett
used to play ball, and so baseball player, and he
almost he was being scouted by the pros when he
threw his arm out and uh, and so the opening
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line is so just just really a great way I
thought to begin his life story. Chapter one. I was
raised on the Dodgers. Every boy wants to be like
his father, you know, just to bring you into the
world that you know that he grew up in um
singing about you know, his sports, his sports dreams. I
love the song thank you so much. He says, you're
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you're his biggest musical influence. Boy, that that's pretty heavy, right,
that's heavy. Yeah, that's that's heavy. That's that's not an honor.
That's really kind of him because because my my biggest
influence is Billy Joel. He's mine my tip top favorite
artists of all time. And to me, I know, with that,
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with that accolade is you know what I mean? So
I don't take that lightly. I mean because I mean
where I hold Billy is a very very special place.
You know, you opened up shows for him. Oh yeah,
Billy has been very good to me. We did New
Year's together again this year in Nassau, Colicy and which
is out Long Island, which is sort of like you know,
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opening for the Pope and the Vatican. You know what
I made opening for Billy and Long Island is like
very important, you know it pretty cool? Who are you?
Who are your other friends and country music? I know
you work with Sarah Evans, I have I have you?
She was wonderful, love her so much. She's my favorite
female country and truly not human being right, so fun
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and so decent, so real, like she you always get
the same Sarah. You never know quite what she's gonna say,
which I love that about it. I can go anywhere
with an interview. I mean, you could take on New Life.
You didn't expect she she's she's very very not just nice,
but like super talented, super talented. Um Martina McBride, Uh
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and I get on great years ago, Tricia yourwood was
just so good to me. Um garth Um. I don't
know how I ended up meeting all these people just separately,
and you know, they're all they're just good people in
the country music world. Man. You know, Keith Urban super nice.
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I mean, all these guys are such good people. They're
just you meet them and you just want to be
their friend. And I think that's it's almost a prerequisite
in country. Well, when I met you and really had
a decent conversation with you at Crash My Play, I
thought to myself, I really want to be his friend.
And so I'm so glad this has worked out that
you were able to come today and real quick before
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we let you take off her. Um, you have a
bar in Nashville. I do. I hope you come to it.
I want to have a freak drinks man, let's let's
make this happen. Let's go the Nashville Underground. I was there.
I was there this weekend. I remember some of it.
Is it true? You're putting in a heard a bowling
the second floor? Yeah, third and fourth floor. Yeah yeah,
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third and fourth floor. So first first, first floors, bar, food,
bar and food. Second floor we also have barn food,
A lot of events we have on second floor in
our our bowl, our bull riding, and then uh yeah,
and then uh, fifth and sixth floor. Fifth is our
it's sort of our night club, you know, like what
this giant L E D floor you know, nightclub kind
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of thing. Rooftop. Then we have we have green roof
and uh, you know, typical outdoor games stuff like that.
So we'll do bowling and more games on the third
and the fourth floor. Man, And uh, I'm excited about
it because I suck at bowling, so I want to
I want to improve my game at bowling because lifetime
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sports are key, are key. What's your go to drink?
A beer? Guy? I love beer, I really do. Is
that because it looks like my caloric intake is exceeding
my caloric output. No, no, no no, I just when you
said earlier. You throw another back. I thought that that's
a beer term. That's a beer term. Yeah, and uh yeah, man,
(24:38):
I do I do like I do like the fizzle.
You know, beer is so good and delicious and uh
you know why else? Beer as good as because you
can take your time. You can make it through a
whole night sipping beers. You cannot make it through a
whole night sipping old fashions. You know what I mean.
That's hospital time. You know, you gotta you gotta pace it.
(25:00):
It's got to be a slightly lower alcohol content. You
can start with an old fashioned. Sure, you know you
can't keep it going all night. You can't go all
night long. Not a chance you're gonna wake up wearing
someone else's clothes. Not a good time. Peean in a
trash can would be bad. I promise you all right. Musically,
(25:23):
this year, what's your what do you hope to accomplish?
What you got going on? Because man, I know you
can't give it all away, but I can't. You got
some some stuff. I'm working on some stuff, Yeah, I
really am, and thank you for that. I I'm really
working on kind of approaching music from another angle. Uh
you know, I never particularly categorize myself as an artist.
(25:44):
I'm just a songwriter, um, and I'm making I would
call a songwriter's record, you know, and that might lean
more Americana, or that might lean more country. Um, but
I'm not audacious and saying I am a country react.
I'm a songwriter, and the country market embrace his songwriting.
(26:05):
And so I'm gonna make a songwriter's style record in
the vein of a seeger or a petty And that's
the that's where my heart is musically right now, you know,
those are those are some heroes of mine who haven't
who I haven't been uh tapping into as much in
(26:28):
the last couple of records as I want to tap
into this record. That's why I'm writing this record alone. Um,
a lot of hermit time, A lot of hermit time, man,
a lot of hermit time, that's right. And so my
first few records I wrote alone, and then the last
couple of records I would write with other people. So
this is a good opportunity for me to to to
write an entire record again by myself and really tap
(26:50):
into that thing, you know. And back around on on
New Year's Eve, I was I was talking to Billy
Joel and I and I said, he was asking me
what I'm up to, and I told him I'm writing
this record. And I said, I think it comes off
a little weird sometimes because my buddies are saying, hey, man,
come out, let's you know, let's run a game of ball,
or let's hit the bar. And don't get me wrong,
I like doing all those things. But sometimes I it's
(27:11):
hard to get out of the house. I say, honestly, man,
I just I just gotta I just gotta spend some
time alone. I'm working on these songs, you know. And
Billy said, you gotta go away, man, Sometimes you just
gotta go away. If you want to put together that
next thing and you want it to work, you gotta
get away and and put in that that alone time.
I said, I thank you for that, because that's I
need to hear from from you, you know, I need
(27:33):
to hear from a guy like that. Yeah, I mean,
I got coming from Billy Joel because some folks like
to get away, take a holiday from the neighborhood. I
like what you did there. I like what you did
there exactly. You do no wrong when it comes to music.
You're so nice. I don't say that about a lot
(27:53):
of people, but I just love you. Do bring more,
bring this new sound the songwriter's album to us, and
are support from me or any of us here at
CMT Hollo. You're so nice man, Really, I the opportunity
to come in here and speak with you is truly
gigantic and and not something I'd take lightly. So I
appreciate your time and thank you, thank you, thank you.
(28:17):
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