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September 13, 2021 15 mins

We first spotted her on 'RuPaul's Drag Race' Season 7, and now, Ginger Minj has made her return on this season of 'RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars!'

She's a singer, songwriter, actor, comedian, country music enthusiast, and with a country music album on the way, she's dropping in with Cody Alan!

Listen in as Ginger breaks down her album, 'Double Wide Diva,' out on Sept. 17th and dishes on all things Dolly Parton, glamour, humor, and fringe. With her single, 'Walk Tall,' Ginger is strutting her stuff on this Cody Cast podcast. Listen now. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Cody Cast. This this Cody Allen's podcast by
Coody Cast. Podcast guest is Ginger Mne. You may have
seen her on the most recent season of RuPaul's Drag
Race All Stars. She's got a brand new country music
album coming out Friday September, which is why I wanted
to take some time to spend with Ginger, one of

(00:21):
my favorites on RuPaul's Drag Race, and I love the
country music she's making too, which is everything from Friends
and Low Places and a great remake of that to
a song called Walk Tall, all about sort of realizing
at a young age that she was a little bit different.
All right, so let's get to all that. Ginger is
joining me on zoom. Hi there, Hello, thank you for

(00:42):
being on with me. I am a huge fan. You
were on the most recent all star season of RuPaul's
Drag Race, and let let me tell you, I was
pulling for you every episode. I thought you were gonna win. Well,
I was, I was hoping to you know. It's it's
the second time I've gotten like just literally one person

(01:03):
away from that crown um and I was hoping I
was gonna pull it out this time. But you know what.
This time, unlike the other two, I didn't really care
if I won, because I felt like, oh, I've really
done all the things that a winner would do, and
I just wanted to be able to go and show
the world like how I've changed and how I've grown
and what I've grown in many ways. Um, but I

(01:25):
wanted to show them like a different side of me.
And I think I got to do that. Well, I
think so too. And I watched the previous seasons with
you all there as well, and you you're you shine
on on that show and just you bring this uh
brilliance and magic and you don't take yourself too seriously
and you're such a pro. So I want to see

(01:46):
you in Nashville Police. Make it your sometime. Oh yes, well,
I'm gonna come sleep on your couch. I hope you
don't mind. I'm good with it. I'm good with it.
I got an extra room. You're always welcome here. Do
we have room for all the costumes? Though, I don't know.
Do you you'll need an extra closet? I guess right. No,
they all condense really well. They're all made a speaking

(02:06):
so they never wrinkle. They can really just shove into
any old bag I got. Why don't you to have
you on the show because you have a great country
music album out. I want people to know about it
and your country music enthusiasts. You love the country, Tell
me what draws you the country because it has a
lot to do with where you come from and your roots,
right yeah, Well, I mean I cover up my roots

(02:28):
as much as I can, but um, yeah, you know,
I have kind of a love hate relationship with country
because it's what I grew up on, and I think
if you grow up on anything, eventually it's just it's
so it's like the neighbors that never leaves you alone.
You know. It's the person that your roommate that just
won't let you sleep sometimes. And it's the same way

(02:49):
with me with country music. I would wake up in
the morning to country music and I'd go and sleep
at night singing country songs. So it was it's always
been a huge part of me. Um, And then I
knew that, you know, being so southern, you know, I
love to tell a story and I love to use
my voice to do it. My motto was always if
you can't say it, sing it, And country music was

(03:13):
what I always wanted to do. But I felt like,
particularly with those two worlds with drag and country, they
have this kind of aversion to each other, you know,
because the countryside is like, oh, I don't know, we
love too much, makeup, too much hair and lots and
lots of sequence, but maybe not quite like this. And
then the drag world is like country that seems a

(03:35):
little old school for us. We want pop, we want
something we could dance to. So I needed to find
the right moment where I could tell that story and
kind of marry those two worlds. And I want everybody
to know, like, this is real country music. It is
not country filtered through like the drag lens. You know,
it happened to be a drag queen who has this

(03:57):
story to tell. I love all that it's not. I
can relate to so much of what you just said.
I also grew up in the South. I wrote a
book recently, it's coming out soon, that I talked about
waking up in the morning, and it was not just
the sounds of country music that I loved hearing from
the little radio in the kitchen. Uh you know picture
for Micah, you know, beige countertops very like country uh,

(04:21):
old school chic and my my mom would be playing
the country music station and she'd be making you know,
bacon and eggs or whatever in the morning. So not
only did country like does it register as like a
morning thing for me growing up, but also like the
smells I can like, I can't hear Jo Lean without
smelling bacon and eggs. I literally I was just talking

(04:44):
to my mother about this because my mom is so
excited I'm doing a country album. She's like, finally something
i'll download and listen to. Um, she just learned how
to download things on her phone. She's moving into the
twentieth century. Finally we'll get into her heart eventually, blessed
her heart. We all know what's that feathering for. So

(05:05):
the teeth is the the day for Double Wide Diva.
Let's talk specifically about this single though, that you released first,
which was Walked Tall. It's a very personal song, all right,
it is, and it actually has ties to my mother. Um,
my mother was my best friend. I know that's no
cliche for every gay boy to sit there and go
my mother she's the one that was there for me,
but mine really was. You know, I'm from a very

(05:28):
very southern town, very southern Baptist Um. We didn't have
many paved roads. We threw a parade when we had
our first McDonald's. Like it was. It was a big
deal in town to be different. And my father did
not like that I was different at all. He said,
you got those football players shoulders. You need to go
out there and make me proud. Until then, just kind

(05:48):
of sit in the corner and wait to be spoken to.
Do not embarrass me and my mother. You know, I
was so obsessed with the Wizard of Oz, and it
was was the fiftieth anniversary of the It of Oz.
They came out with this pair of ruby slippers. They
were ugly, they were hideous, but they were ruby slippers,
and I wanted them so bad. And it was the
first time that I saw my mother really defy my

(06:11):
father and give me what I wanted. And she was like,
it might have to be a secret for a little bit,
but I just hope that these things will make you
walk a little bit taller with your head held a
little bit higher. And so that's why I wrote walk Tall.
It's really kind of the anthem to anybody who's ever
felt different or or like they didn't have a place
to belong or where they couldn't go outside with their

(06:33):
head held high. It's all about, you know, finding that
right pair of shoes that makes you feel real good
and face the world head first with that. And I
can relate to again, so much of what you just said.
I never felt drawn to the things you were. But
I also knew that I liked boys, and I liked
Spider Man over Wonder Woman hands down, very early in

(06:55):
my life. Um, And so I can relate to being
different and trying to figure that out. At what age
did you sort of like No, I do not remember
a time where I didn't feel like this. You know,
it was so second nature to me, and I think that,
you know, particularly like with my mother. I spent so
much time with her. So I always said, when I

(07:17):
grow up, I want to be a mom. People are like, no, no, no,
you want to be a parent, you want to be
a fun No. I wanted it to be a mom
because I didn't have anything positive to really like a
tribute to the father role. But my mother was always
there for me. She was cooking with me, she was
teaching me about music, she was teaching me about the world,
and she was the one that was really in my corner.

(07:38):
So it's like I want to grow up to be that,
and she really instilled all of those lessons and that
love inside of me. And now I just feel like
I want to be a mother to the whole wide world.
And shared the story. One of the songs, and obviously
the title of the brand new project out on next Friday,
September sevent is double y DVA. I love the lyric

(07:59):
in here. I at the point out I am too
big for this place, but I will never leave it.
I'm a double wide V but great lyric That sort
of I think hits home for anybody growing up like
we did in the South, small towns with big dreams.
That lyc Yeah, you know, I think a lot of
people would go to a town like Leasburg, Florida, and
they would meet the people and go I hate these people.

(08:22):
I don't hate these people at all. There's nothing bad
about them. They're not bad people. They're just uninformed and
and I think like it's my job to kind of
go out into the world and prove myself and then
come back and inform them and let them know these
are the things that maybe the views that maybe you
should kind of re examine. I feel like they are

(08:44):
good people and it's a good place, and I feel
like if I can educate them a little bit more,
it's gonna make the world a better place because they
don't know how to really kind of interact with the
people in their town who are eventually going to go
out into the world and represent them. And I feel
like that's a responsibility. So I never want to leave
it completely. Um, but I do know that my dreams

(09:07):
and my goals and what I've become as much bigger
than than Leavesburg, Florida. When I came out in two
thousand seventeen, I felt like I had a responsibility also
to represent now. First of all, when I came out,
it was sort of just because I felt like I
had to do it for me. It was a personal thing,
like I just had to get it out and off
my chest, like into the world and be done with it.
But then you start to realize like you could really

(09:29):
make a difference in people's lives if you, with that representation,
teach them what different looks like and it's not what
you expect, and it's um it's not always in the
you know, in the way that you perceive it as
being a negative and so many people do UM and
just teaching people that, hey, this is a positive thing
about my life. I used to walk away from the

(09:50):
term gay. I used to hate it um, but now
I embrace it, and it really being yourself, authentic and
whatever it is you are is what makes you special,
makes you you and m and how much happy we
would all be if we could just be ourselves. And
that's what I hope. I hope so many people in
small towns here and see from you and and hopefully

(10:13):
some of the stuff that I do as well on
CMT and all these shows. Well, I am such a
fan of goers and I'm so honored to be talking
to you, honestly, like from the bottom of the up
at a heart, I really mean that. And I feel
like everybody in the world, they get stuck up on
labels and everything, but I feel truly that everybody should
identify as clear because we're just means different and I

(10:35):
think we're all different, all of us, every single one
of us, and that's what makes us so special. So
I think if we stop shying away from those things
and really embrace them and talking about them, opening up
that conversation in a fun way. I think more people
are are going to be open to learning about the
differences and celebrating them hand in hand instead of going
you're weird, I don't like you, don't embarrass me, move on.

(10:58):
One of the things I learned about Ally Parton years
ago was that she is always Dolly Parton, like she
never leaves the house and she talks openly about her
makeup and her wigs and all of it, and and
that she never leaves the house as any other person,
but the Dolly you want to see and you've seen
in movies and on TV and in music for years
and in years. So I wonder, do you ever leave

(11:19):
the house? Um not being Ginger Mine? Well, I feel
like Ginger, you know, I'm I'm kind of strange in
the drag world. In the central Ginger is just an
ex me Um. I don't have really a line that
divides the two of us. Ginger is all of the
best parts of me. Um that has taught me kind
of how to be who I am and and kind

(11:41):
of spread that message. So yeah, I feel like even
when I don't have the big leg on or the
big pair of lashes or the sequence of the Ryan Stones.
I feel like I'm still representing the same person. I
will tell you I got to do dumplin Um with
Dolly Partner, and then I got to do the Jodie
music video for her as well, and I worker there
several times, so I can attest fully to the fact

(12:04):
that she shows up four o'clock in the morning completely done? Completely?
Did you put the rest of us to shame? Um?
What are like the three things you carry in your
purse at all time? The must have that you always
have on you. So I always have a good clear
lip gloss because it doesn't matter what color your lips are.

(12:25):
Here will go with everything. But you want to be shiny.
You don't want to be dry, you know. I always
carry a band aid because if it's somebody's gonna stub
their toes, somebody's gonna be so enamored with how you
look they trip over themselves and then scrape their knee
or something. So it's good to be a giver that way.
And I don't think you should ever ever leave home
without a calling card. So I have my purse chop

(12:48):
full of cards. So this is where you can find me.
This is who I am. Let's chit chat and stay
in touch right on and if people want to follow you.
You're all over social media as well. I'm on all
the platforms. The names are different across all of them, um,
but you can go to Gingerman's online dot com gingerman Online.
That's gonna j uh and it has has the link

(13:08):
to all of my different stuff, um and make sure
you go like follow me, especially on Spotify. Listen to
the music because this album it's such a love letter
to all of us who have felt different at some point.
You know, every song is a story, it's a moment
from my life, and it is told authentically and beautifully. Um,

(13:28):
I think, and I think that a lot of people
do it. One of the tracks I really enjoyed also
on the new project was your remake of Friends and
Low Places, um classic of course from Garth Brooks. It
really was the song that was the breakout. Why that song?
Why were you drawn to that? And how does that
kind of fit in with the rest of your message? Well,

(13:49):
you know, I I've always felt like even the gay's
love Garth. Everybody loves Garth. He's like a Dolly Parton.
He's got a good message, he's he's very sincere, He's authentic.
I love his wife too. I'm so obsessed with her.
Outside of singing and drag, I I cook. I have
a cooking show that's on out TV, and I just
I relate to her so much. So I love her

(14:11):
and through that process end up loving him even more.
But also because I've been very blessed in my career,
I've traveled around the world many times, and I've met
so many people that on the surface level, you'd probably
think we would never get along, we'd never talk, we'd
never do this. We never did. We end up becoming
great friends who stay in touch. And I wanted to

(14:32):
kind of sing a song that everybody knew, that everybody
could sing along with that really celebrates all of those
people that I've met and from all these different walks
of life and brings us all together. Listen, love you,
thank you so much, see you. And that's what's the point.
And I literally live one mile away from play. You
can come here to this house and stay anytime you want. Well, good,

(14:53):
I'm gonna take you up on that. Okay, sounds good bye.
Let's just stay in touch. I'll d M you. Okay,
thank you. I would love that this has been Cody cast.
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