April 2, 2021 • 22 mins
A recent cascade of game-changers hit award-winning duo Brothers Osborne. Their unedited reactions are here as they confide in Crook & Chase: the reaction to TJ's very personal announcement, the reason behind their "shock and awe" at their recent ACM nominations, and the truth about their behind-the-scenes clashes that truly make their on-stage presence and music "electric". It's real and raw with John and TJ.
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(01:02):
Chase Nashville Chats. Charlie and Lorien here getting ready to
bring on a couple of guys that we really admire
have a lot of love for These are the Brothers Osborne.
They're coming up in just a minute. And just so
you know, we do these visits with the stars socially distance.
We use our technology studio to studio to bring them
uh closer to you, because we want them to be
closer to us. Honestly, we're tired of this zoom stuff.
(01:25):
We we are looking forward to everybody getting vaccinated and
back in the same room together. But Brothers Osborne, we
can always count on these guys to bring forth a
lot of fun and just exciting adventures in their lives. Well,
and we wanted to talk to them again because they
received some surprise a CM nominations a c M Awards
coming up April eighteen this time around, and I mean,
(01:46):
these guys have won so many awards, you know, trying
to count them and I sort of lost, but I mean,
they have won c M A Awards, a c M Awards,
just on and on. But this time around they were
shocked to finally get their first a c M Album
of the Year nomination for Skeletons and way do you
hear him tell the story? Because they were on TV.
(02:07):
I think with CBS making the announcement or ABC one
or the other, and they're making the announcement of all
the nominees, and they had announced themselves and really get
until I got backstage and it was, hey, we're innominated,
you know. So they've got that story there. And of
course a lot of personal things been happening for t J,
you know, exactly exactly making the public announcement, you know,
(02:28):
of his gay lifestyle. So we're going to address that.
And it's interesting to hear what the fan reaction has
been as far as those guys receiving it well. And
another interesting thing that you're about to hear from this
particular interview. We're finding this out for the first time.
After knowing John and t J Brothers Osborne for so
many years, we learn the intensity behind their music. There's
(02:50):
something that happens behind the scenes that is the key
to the spark that you see on stage. Will you
hear the story they have about their dad. That's the
only teach you'll need. Just wait for it. It's covered
up as we visit with Brothers Osborne. Here we go.
We have known you guys for the longest time, and
(03:11):
we feel privileged and blessed that we have you need
to know that. When we heard about these a CM nominations,
we did a goofy happy dance over here. We really did.
So do you have your own happy dance for occasions
such as this? Well no, Oddly I started just cursing
so loud and so aggressively. It was the most oddly
(03:32):
impulsive thing I've ever done in my life. I don't
know why I did it. It wasn't like you if
I got nominated for this, I want to discuss. I
just it just came out. I don't know. I had
no idea. It was even in men customers cuss words
and they had like no context. They were just random words.
Idn't whole I don't know. It just it was unleashed.
(03:52):
You know. When we got nominated for Doo, it always
feels amazing. It was like, yes, okay, it feels good,
you know, because one day we will not get a
nomination and that will feel kind of weird. But then
we got nominated for album and we're like, oh my god,
it was not even thinking about that, which I found
some really surprising. It is on our last record, Port
Saint Joe. We we worked really hard on that. We
(04:14):
thought we really Honestly, maybe we're over early confident, but
we thought that we would really be up for album
noms with that. But we did eventually get nominated for
Album of the Year with the Grammys, and so this
time around it's the first time that we have been
nominated for Album in the in the a c m S.
And hopefully we can keep it going and hit the
CMAS with it. But you know what, another thing I
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will say about this record is we released it right
in the middle of all the COVID stuff, and there
was a lot of conversation on if we were going
to wait put the record out later when everything starts
kind of getting back up and running, and we made
a decision, you know what, the fans want music right now,
Let's go ahead and put it out there. And on
one hand, I think we did make the right decision
as far as our fans wanting something, some new music
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to hear. But on the other hand, I did feel
like it got kind of steamrolled by the moment of
just the craziness of the world. You know, we're in
an election and and all of the things going on
that naturally are are more important than our album, and
and so in some ways, I felt like, man, did
this record just get completely overlooked? You know? And then
suddenly when that happened, it felt like, oh, thank god,
(05:16):
so it wasn't all for nothing. Well, here are Crook
and Chase. We've told you a million reasons why we
love this Skeletons album. In your mind? What do you
think brought the attention to this one? Only because I
could the things that we did with this record, I
felt like we've done it with our past records and
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especially with our our previous ports Jail. I mean, we
really worked really hard and try to do something very
different in original to us and justin just original in general. Um,
and so that didn't work then. But this time, you
know the only thing I can really think of, Lauren,
is that the we we we've learned so much from
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our fans over the years, and we really wanted to
make a record that that we that was really for them. Now,
granted the catches, we haven't been able to perform it
for any of them, however, however we did. I do
think this is the most Brothers Osborne sounding record we
have made, and I think we just really have kind
of honed in on what we do and what we
do well. Um, So in that regard, I think maybe
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that was it, but it's hard to say. I mean,
we we definitely put our all into every well everything
you know, every song, every performance, and every record and um,
you know, recording a record is something that we don't
take lightly. It's a very important body of work and
it's reflective of who we are as musicians and songwriters
and singers and people. Um, but that's a that's a
(06:41):
good question. I don't know. I honestly felt very color
guard when you asked if we were part of We
just don't know. We just don't know the answer to
that as to why. If we knew the answer to that,
we'd be billionaires, because that would mean that we understand
why people like things. And we were part of the
We we now announced some of the categories on CBS
this morning, and and um, we got off air and
(07:02):
we just were like kind of so focused on us
not messing that up that we really weren't thinking about it.
And we got off air and they were like, you
just got nominated for album and we were and they
were like what. And then that's when John just started
saying cuss words that had nothing to do with the
next Yeah, and it was really funny. You know, we
we've we talked about the surface reactions here, the happy dance. Uh,
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it just feels great and all that sort of thing.
But nominations and awards are cool, they're braggable, of course,
But deep down this recognition has to mean so much,
not only to you guys, but to any artists who
receives this. Can you explain that feeling? Well, I think
you spend so much time. I think it's a number
of things. I think, you know, at least for us,
you spend so much time kind of focused on the
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on on the prize and not not not the award,
the prize, the prize as in your career and your
success in your career, and when you really do genuinely care,
and I will, I would, you know, some people care
more than others. But when you really put all of
yourself into it, and you're in your critical very critical
of yourself in the process, um and you tend to
(08:12):
lose sight of certain things, and then you start to
question yourself and then you get to a point where
it's like, all right, I think I think I think
it's I think that's good. I don't know, and I
are we good? I don't know anymore because you've you've
kind of like you spent all of your energy on it,
and then the your the community goes, yes, this is
really good, and you're like, oh my god, thank god,
(08:32):
you can finally breathe out. And it's so um validating,
you know, not that you should need other people to
validate you, but it really does help because you kind
of run out of self validation because you've worked so
hard to get it to where it is. And for us,
you know, historically we have always like stayed on our trail.
(08:52):
We've never deviated from who we are and who we
and what we want to say and how we want
to say it. And sometimes that has been to our
own detriment and that's okay, But other times, like recently,
being nominated for these two awards is like, okay, all right.
It kind of reinforces what we feel that we do best. Yeah,
and I'm sure you all can relate to. This is
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everything we do, there's gonna be someone that lacks it
and doesn't like it, and um and that's the hardest,
one of the hardest things about this, you know, I
talk to my dad about that he's you know, we do.
I mean, our lives are incredible. We have to play
music for a living. The mental thing, you know, my
our dad's a plumber, you know, so I'm like, you know,
the thing is the satisfaction you get though, is that
you can go into a room and what if the
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if the toilet flushes you and arguably did it. You know,
we never get that, and so the one of the
closest thing we can get to that is having these
moments where you're like, okay, you get the recognition about
your peers and it it's like, this is the closest
thing I'll ever get to the toilet, Okay, I mean
there was nothing, you know, our dad one time it
was actually there was this big controversy on people smuggling
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toilets in from Canada because they had were here, we
had the one and a half gallon toilets and they
still had the three gallon toilets in Canada. Was this
whole thing, it's just hilarious. Well, they got my dad,
oddly enough, they got our dad to be a part
of this segment to talk about how the one point
six gallon toilets flush just fine, and my dad came
up with this thing on the spot and he I
have never heard this. We work, we we grew up
working doing plumming with him. He flushes the toilet and
(10:21):
he goes and he's like, it's what we referred to
in our industry as the royal flush. I'm like, he
had to just make that up. I've never never heard that,
Like he just made it up what we call like
you just what we say, like, we've never heard. We've
never heard that the one point six does not do it,
guys exactly. Oh gosh, I think you guys are in
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line for an interview with Oprah, So just get ready, okay,
Oh no, oh my god, oh my god. I would
love that. I think it like if she just talked
to me, I'd be like, I think I would just
be so mesmerized. I don't even know if i'd be
able to answer. You guys would make her cry, but
not in like the good way, Like I can't believe
the world has come to this way. Okay, So we're
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going to get philosophical. If we're going from toilets to philosophy, know,
from flush to philosophy? How this? How's that when skeletons
came out, you guys said the sweetest thing. And if
I may quote talking to your fans, your friends, your family,
you have all lifted us up on your shoulders, protected
us along the way, and consistently inspired us to not
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only be better musicians, but better people. I am curious
for each of you to tell me how you think
you're just a better person through all of this, Oh well,
through our music careers, are through don't just being better
through the music career, and how people supporting you have
just made you better men? Yeah? I mean, gosh, I
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mean the think of all of the help. We've got
a long way to get to where we are. And
you know there's a thing too, this is really like
taught me. I mean, being able to accept criticism. You know,
that's really really hard, and it's different when someone's just
being mean. It's like, you know, like that's that's different.
But when being we get a lot of criticism you know,
and are and and a lot of it is is honestly,
(12:13):
it's as constructive as you allow it to be. And
it's something I still struggle with. But I definitely feel
like I have grown a lot in that regard of
being able to not take it personally and that when
most times people tell me something that even if it
seems like harsh, that they really are wanting the best
for me. That's why they're telling me that. And um,
and that is definitely something it's still hard for me
(12:34):
to exercise that. Sometimes I have to digest what was
said for like thirty minutes and calm down and realize
that was actually right. Um. And I've grown a lot
in that way it is supposed instead of being stuck
in my ways. Well. And also I think it's important
to have people around you to help you navigate, um,
your your life. You know, the people in your surroundings
and the people that you have close are your compass
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in a lot of ways. And one of the things
you know, like you know, we've been known to call
people out for being a certain way, and the reason
is is because our family would call us out when
we were that certain way, and they still do. And
it doesn't matter, you know, the success and TV and
awards and and all that stuff is great to them,
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but if we're out of line, they want to let
us know about it. Like no one is exempt and
and that's so important. You know, our our family are
you know, as crazy as they are and imperfect as
they are, they're just really really great people at heart,
you know, and are I remember as kids, our mom
and dad UM would bring in people that they would meet,
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I mean they didn't even know them very well, but
they would have like alcohol or drug problems and bring
them into the house and help them get clean over
a couple of months, and you know, and it was
really amazing things. So we learned at a very young age,
like you can take time out of your life to
treat people well. And we're constantly being reminded of who
we UM are and also should be as people, UM
from our friends and family. You know, UM, I think
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you know you you are what you attract, and fortunately
I think we're we've attracted some really really great human beings. Well,
you talk about friends and family, and especially at the
family that's your fan club, and and t J having
recently revealed your gay lifestyle, I'm sure you've had time
to receive reaction about that revelation. Yeah, that's a whole
different family. Well yeah, have you heard what you expected
or hoped to hear and what comments have really touched
(14:26):
your heart? You know? Well, I mean just you know,
it's like all the gay community they call it family.
Have you heard that? Which I think is hilarious that
we have like our fan clubs called the family. But
like if I like, if someone's gay, you're like their
family would be like that, it's another So I don't know,
it's just kind of funny. But I know you had
a very very sweetheartfelt question and I just ruined it.
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But no, no, no, no, no no, I clear that
up for me. Actually, you know for me, I, Um,
it has been really incredibly um eye opening in so
many ways, and I'm still experiencing it. I'm still processing it.
I'm really curious to see when we go out and
(15:08):
perform what that's gonna be like. Um, But just already,
I mean, the understanding I have of myself has just
really I mean it, it's it is doubled and tripled.
I mean, just being able to Um, I've always felt
like I was myself and I have been, but I
kind of would throttle it, you know, and now I
feel a lot more like I don't have to kind
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of bob and weave through certain things. Um, you know,
like if someone were to make a thing and say
like hey, like if they were to make a reference
of like you have a girlfriend, or you're seeing any
girls or dating anyone hot, It's like, well, it's it's
it did it didn't. It didn't hurt my feelings or
offend me. It's just like the only thing I can
acquaint it to is when someone calls you the wrong
name and you just don't want to tell them that
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they're calling you the wrong name. Would probably make them
feel bad, and it doesn't really bother you that much.
It was like kind of stuck in this weird narrative
sometimes that I didn't even really right, but I was
allowing to continue and um and and so the fact
that that's kind of over with is just so incredibly
nice and refreshing, and also just the outpouring of love
to E received from so many people really exceeded my
(16:11):
expectations and just about every way. And I have inevitably
gotten some some little bit of hate here and there,
but for the most part, everything we do is people
got it something to say. We tweeted one time love y'all,
and that got someone picked off, so we're not in
It was like an actually thing that happened, So you
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know that I know exactly and which is you know,
that's the thing to not tie this back into us
and do like a shameless self promotion. But our song
I'm Not for everyone was really kind of tied them
with that is that when you have to get to
a point in your life where you realize that you
know what, I like me. If you don't like me,
that's okay. Like if I did something wrong to you,
then yeah, I would feel bad about that. But if
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you just don't like the who I am and why
I am, then I don't know what to tell you. Like,
I'm fine with that, so I gotta move on and
and and I certainly felt that more than ever in
this instance of just like you know what? Uh. And
also another thing that really I did not expect was
how many people that that, how many gay people out
there love country music and um, and how much they
(17:16):
needed someone. It felt like they did not have the
representation that they needed just this whole time, and I
wasn't really I didn't really realize that that. I don't
know if you call it an opportunity or whatever you
want to call it, I don't want to call it
an obligation because it doesn't feel like something. It doesn't
feel like obligation always seems negative. But this calling, if
you will, to feel like, okay, there is a there was.
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There's a lot of people out here have been marginalized
for a long time. It felt like they didn't belong
in country music and and they do and um and
hopefully with with me coming out allows them to feel
comfortable and accepted in this, in this wonderful genre that
I've loved my entire life and have made a career in. Well,
that's awesome. It's another way for you to be a leader.
And I think that's wonderful for for you to be
able to, as they say, live your own truth and
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help other people do that as well. That that's the
only way to live. And uh and we're proud of
you standing up for that. Hey, listen real quickly. You know,
people so often describe the electricity that sparks when YouTube
take the stage, But behind the scenes, when you're creating
the music, do you feel that same energy that they're
(18:23):
talking about. That's what we call arguing. Yeah, you want
to call the spark it's a better way to put it. No, Uh, yeah,
yeah you feel this one, John, Well, I mean we
we we care you know, I like when I mean,
there are moments that are pretty um, you know, I
wouldn't say tumultuous, but like kind of awkward if there's
(18:43):
a third person in the room, or just like kind
of like whatever, dude, whatever, Well, we just care, you know.
I mean if one of us didn't care, then it
would be both of us didn't care. That'd be even worse. Right, So, um,
there is certainly a spark, and it manifests itself in
a different way, you know, when it when it comes
out on stage. This songs are written, you know, the
creativity is kind of there. It's like riding a wave
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that's just perfectly set for you and you just get
on and do it. Um. But writing the song is
like trying to build the surfboard, and you will just
have like different opinions on how I need to be built.
You know, maybe we should have a pointy maybe we
shouldn't make this neon pink. I don't damn know. And
but it's always there. I mean, if you care, there
will be a spark. I mean, I think for what
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you the two of you do, I mean you it's
maybe you're faking it. I don't know, but it sounds
like every time we speak to you you still have
the spark. I mean, people don't think of it always.
And when it feels like that, and I feel like
I'm right. And as long as you have the spark,
you know, always use it. It's a pilot light. Never
let it burn out. Yeah. Yeah, Charlie and I fight
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all the time too, So I think that explains that
I would my top money to see me. I'd be like,
oh my god, it's not just us. Our time is up.
But we don't want to overdo here. But we we
love you guys. Please send our best to all your families,
will do and we are always here for any shameless
(20:09):
self promotion that you have in mind. Okay, and we
want to end by tacking somebody off by saying we
love y'all. Ye love y'all. Hey all. I did not
even want to ask Charlie, but what just saying love
(20:31):
y'all are posting that? What kind of hate could that bring?
I just I don't want, I don't want to know,
and I just don't get the world is so confusing
to me now, but it's so exciting and fun when
you bring on people like brothers Osborne, those personalities are
just a lot of fun. They've always been that way
around us, and they don't hold back. I mean, they're
(20:51):
talking royalty, They're talking royal flush. I mean that came
out of where I asked this question, Charlie. Why is
it that so many of our conversations with you and
some of our mail ours and country music do end
up in the toilet or in the bathroom. My friends,
just know that we have your country covered right here.
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Chase Nashville Chats. Charlie and Lorien here getting ready to
bring on a couple of guys that we really admire
have a lot of love for These are the Brothers Osborne.
They're coming up in just a minute. And just so
you know, we do these visits with the stars socially distance.
We use our technology studio to studio to bring them
uh closer to you, because we want them to be
closer to us. Honestly, we're tired of this zoom stuff.
(01:25):
We we are looking forward to everybody getting vaccinated and
back in the same room together. But Brothers Osborne, we
can always count on these guys to bring forth a
lot of fun and just exciting adventures in their lives. Well,
and we wanted to talk to them again because they
received some surprise a CM nominations a c M Awards
coming up April eighteen this time around, and I mean,
(01:46):
these guys have won so many awards, you know, trying
to count them and I sort of lost, but I mean,
they have won c M A Awards, a c M Awards,
just on and on. But this time around they were
shocked to finally get their first a c M Album
of the Year nomination for Skeletons and way do you
hear him tell the story? Because they were on TV.
(02:07):
I think with CBS making the announcement or ABC one
or the other, and they're making the announcement of all
the nominees, and they had announced themselves and really get
until I got backstage and it was, hey, we're innominated,
you know. So they've got that story there. And of
course a lot of personal things been happening for t J,
you know, exactly exactly making the public announcement, you know,
(02:28):
of his gay lifestyle. So we're going to address that.
And it's interesting to hear what the fan reaction has
been as far as those guys receiving it well. And
another interesting thing that you're about to hear from this
particular interview. We're finding this out for the first time.
After knowing John and t J Brothers Osborne for so
many years, we learn the intensity behind their music. There's
(02:50):
something that happens behind the scenes that is the key
to the spark that you see on stage. Will you
hear the story they have about their dad. That's the
only teach you'll need. Just wait for it. It's covered
up as we visit with Brothers Osborne. Here we go.
We have known you guys for the longest time, and
(03:11):
we feel privileged and blessed that we have you need
to know that. When we heard about these a CM nominations,
we did a goofy happy dance over here. We really did.
So do you have your own happy dance for occasions
such as this? Well no, Oddly I started just cursing
so loud and so aggressively. It was the most oddly
(03:32):
impulsive thing I've ever done in my life. I don't
know why I did it. It wasn't like you if
I got nominated for this, I want to discuss. I
just it just came out. I don't know. I had
no idea. It was even in men customers cuss words
and they had like no context. They were just random words.
Idn't whole I don't know. It just it was unleashed.
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You know. When we got nominated for Doo, it always
feels amazing. It was like, yes, okay, it feels good,
you know, because one day we will not get a
nomination and that will feel kind of weird. But then
we got nominated for album and we're like, oh my god,
it was not even thinking about that, which I found
some really surprising. It is on our last record, Port
Saint Joe. We we worked really hard on that. We
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thought we really Honestly, maybe we're over early confident, but
we thought that we would really be up for album
noms with that. But we did eventually get nominated for
Album of the Year with the Grammys, and so this
time around it's the first time that we have been
nominated for Album in the in the a c m S.
And hopefully we can keep it going and hit the
CMAS with it. But you know what, another thing I
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will say about this record is we released it right
in the middle of all the COVID stuff, and there
was a lot of conversation on if we were going
to wait put the record out later when everything starts
kind of getting back up and running, and we made
a decision, you know what, the fans want music right now,
Let's go ahead and put it out there. And on
one hand, I think we did make the right decision
as far as our fans wanting something, some new music
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to hear. But on the other hand, I did feel
like it got kind of steamrolled by the moment of
just the craziness of the world. You know, we're in
an election and and all of the things going on
that naturally are are more important than our album, and
and so in some ways, I felt like, man, did
this record just get completely overlooked? You know? And then
suddenly when that happened, it felt like, oh, thank god,
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so it wasn't all for nothing. Well, here are Crook
and Chase. We've told you a million reasons why we
love this Skeletons album. In your mind? What do you
think brought the attention to this one? Only because I
could the things that we did with this record, I
felt like we've done it with our past records and
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especially with our our previous ports Jail. I mean, we
really worked really hard and try to do something very
different in original to us and justin just original in general. Um,
and so that didn't work then. But this time, you
know the only thing I can really think of, Lauren,
is that the we we we've learned so much from
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our fans over the years, and we really wanted to
make a record that that we that was really for them. Now,
granted the catches, we haven't been able to perform it
for any of them, however, however we did. I do
think this is the most Brothers Osborne sounding record we
have made, and I think we just really have kind
of honed in on what we do and what we
do well. Um, So in that regard, I think maybe
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that was it, but it's hard to say. I mean,
we we definitely put our all into every well everything
you know, every song, every performance, and every record and um,
you know, recording a record is something that we don't
take lightly. It's a very important body of work and
it's reflective of who we are as musicians and songwriters
and singers and people. Um, but that's a that's a
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good question. I don't know. I honestly felt very color
guard when you asked if we were part of We
just don't know. We just don't know the answer to
that as to why. If we knew the answer to that,
we'd be billionaires, because that would mean that we understand
why people like things. And we were part of the
We we now announced some of the categories on CBS
this morning, and and um, we got off air and
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we just were like kind of so focused on us
not messing that up that we really weren't thinking about it.
And we got off air and they were like, you
just got nominated for album and we were and they
were like what. And then that's when John just started
saying cuss words that had nothing to do with the
next Yeah, and it was really funny. You know, we
we've we talked about the surface reactions here, the happy dance. Uh,
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it just feels great and all that sort of thing.
But nominations and awards are cool, they're braggable, of course,
But deep down this recognition has to mean so much,
not only to you guys, but to any artists who
receives this. Can you explain that feeling? Well, I think
you spend so much time. I think it's a number
of things. I think, you know, at least for us,
you spend so much time kind of focused on the
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on on the prize and not not not the award,
the prize, the prize as in your career and your
success in your career, and when you really do genuinely care,
and I will, I would, you know, some people care
more than others. But when you really put all of
yourself into it, and you're in your critical very critical
of yourself in the process, um and you tend to
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lose sight of certain things, and then you start to
question yourself and then you get to a point where
it's like, all right, I think I think I think
it's I think that's good. I don't know, and I
are we good? I don't know anymore because you've you've
kind of like you spent all of your energy on it,
and then the your the community goes, yes, this is
really good, and you're like, oh my god, thank god,
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you can finally breathe out. And it's so um validating,
you know, not that you should need other people to
validate you, but it really does help because you kind
of run out of self validation because you've worked so
hard to get it to where it is. And for us,
you know, historically we have always like stayed on our trail.
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We've never deviated from who we are and who we
and what we want to say and how we want
to say it. And sometimes that has been to our
own detriment and that's okay, But other times, like recently,
being nominated for these two awards is like, okay, all right.
It kind of reinforces what we feel that we do best. Yeah,
and I'm sure you all can relate to. This is
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everything we do, there's gonna be someone that lacks it
and doesn't like it, and um and that's the hardest,
one of the hardest things about this, you know, I
talk to my dad about that he's you know, we do.
I mean, our lives are incredible. We have to play
music for a living. The mental thing, you know, my
our dad's a plumber, you know, so I'm like, you know,
the thing is the satisfaction you get though, is that
you can go into a room and what if the
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if the toilet flushes you and arguably did it. You know,
we never get that, and so the one of the
closest thing we can get to that is having these
moments where you're like, okay, you get the recognition about
your peers and it it's like, this is the closest
thing I'll ever get to the toilet, Okay, I mean
there was nothing, you know, our dad one time it
was actually there was this big controversy on people smuggling
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toilets in from Canada because they had were here, we
had the one and a half gallon toilets and they
still had the three gallon toilets in Canada. Was this
whole thing, it's just hilarious. Well, they got my dad,
oddly enough, they got our dad to be a part
of this segment to talk about how the one point
six gallon toilets flush just fine, and my dad came
up with this thing on the spot and he I
have never heard this. We work, we we grew up
working doing plumming with him. He flushes the toilet and
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he goes and he's like, it's what we referred to
in our industry as the royal flush. I'm like, he
had to just make that up. I've never never heard that,
Like he just made it up what we call like
you just what we say, like, we've never heard. We've
never heard that the one point six does not do it,
guys exactly. Oh gosh, I think you guys are in
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line for an interview with Oprah, So just get ready, okay,
Oh no, oh my god, oh my god. I would
love that. I think it like if she just talked
to me, I'd be like, I think I would just
be so mesmerized. I don't even know if i'd be
able to answer. You guys would make her cry, but
not in like the good way, Like I can't believe
the world has come to this way. Okay, So we're
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going to get philosophical. If we're going from toilets to philosophy, know,
from flush to philosophy? How this? How's that when skeletons
came out, you guys said the sweetest thing. And if
I may quote talking to your fans, your friends, your family,
you have all lifted us up on your shoulders, protected
us along the way, and consistently inspired us to not
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only be better musicians, but better people. I am curious
for each of you to tell me how you think
you're just a better person through all of this, Oh well,
through our music careers, are through don't just being better
through the music career, and how people supporting you have
just made you better men? Yeah? I mean, gosh, I
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mean the think of all of the help. We've got
a long way to get to where we are. And
you know there's a thing too, this is really like
taught me. I mean, being able to accept criticism. You know,
that's really really hard, and it's different when someone's just
being mean. It's like, you know, like that's that's different.
But when being we get a lot of criticism you know,
and are and and a lot of it is is honestly,
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it's as constructive as you allow it to be. And
it's something I still struggle with. But I definitely feel
like I have grown a lot in that regard of
being able to not take it personally and that when
most times people tell me something that even if it
seems like harsh, that they really are wanting the best
for me. That's why they're telling me that. And um,
and that is definitely something it's still hard for me
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to exercise that. Sometimes I have to digest what was
said for like thirty minutes and calm down and realize
that was actually right. Um. And I've grown a lot
in that way it is supposed instead of being stuck
in my ways. Well. And also I think it's important
to have people around you to help you navigate, um,
your your life. You know, the people in your surroundings
and the people that you have close are your compass
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in a lot of ways. And one of the things
you know, like you know, we've been known to call
people out for being a certain way, and the reason
is is because our family would call us out when
we were that certain way, and they still do. And
it doesn't matter, you know, the success and TV and
awards and and all that stuff is great to them,
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but if we're out of line, they want to let
us know about it. Like no one is exempt and
and that's so important. You know, our our family are
you know, as crazy as they are and imperfect as
they are, they're just really really great people at heart,
you know, and are I remember as kids, our mom
and dad UM would bring in people that they would meet,
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I mean they didn't even know them very well, but
they would have like alcohol or drug problems and bring
them into the house and help them get clean over
a couple of months, and you know, and it was
really amazing things. So we learned at a very young age,
like you can take time out of your life to
treat people well. And we're constantly being reminded of who
we UM are and also should be as people, UM
from our friends and family. You know, UM, I think
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you know you you are what you attract, and fortunately
I think we're we've attracted some really really great human beings. Well,
you talk about friends and family, and especially at the
family that's your fan club, and and t J having
recently revealed your gay lifestyle, I'm sure you've had time
to receive reaction about that revelation. Yeah, that's a whole
different family. Well yeah, have you heard what you expected
or hoped to hear and what comments have really touched
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your heart? You know? Well, I mean just you know,
it's like all the gay community they call it family.
Have you heard that? Which I think is hilarious that
we have like our fan clubs called the family. But
like if I like, if someone's gay, you're like their
family would be like that, it's another So I don't know,
it's just kind of funny. But I know you had
a very very sweetheartfelt question and I just ruined it.
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But no, no, no, no, no no, I clear that
up for me. Actually, you know for me, I, Um,
it has been really incredibly um eye opening in so
many ways, and I'm still experiencing it. I'm still processing it.
I'm really curious to see when we go out and
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perform what that's gonna be like. Um, But just already,
I mean, the understanding I have of myself has just
really I mean it, it's it is doubled and tripled.
I mean, just being able to Um, I've always felt
like I was myself and I have been, but I
kind of would throttle it, you know, and now I
feel a lot more like I don't have to kind
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of bob and weave through certain things. Um, you know,
like if someone were to make a thing and say
like hey, like if they were to make a reference
of like you have a girlfriend, or you're seeing any
girls or dating anyone hot, It's like, well, it's it's
it did it didn't. It didn't hurt my feelings or
offend me. It's just like the only thing I can
acquaint it to is when someone calls you the wrong
name and you just don't want to tell them that
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they're calling you the wrong name. Would probably make them
feel bad, and it doesn't really bother you that much.
It was like kind of stuck in this weird narrative
sometimes that I didn't even really right, but I was
allowing to continue and um and and so the fact
that that's kind of over with is just so incredibly
nice and refreshing, and also just the outpouring of love
to E received from so many people really exceeded my
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expectations and just about every way. And I have inevitably
gotten some some little bit of hate here and there,
but for the most part, everything we do is people
got it something to say. We tweeted one time love y'all,
and that got someone picked off, so we're not in
It was like an actually thing that happened, So you
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know that I know exactly and which is you know,
that's the thing to not tie this back into us
and do like a shameless self promotion. But our song
I'm Not for everyone was really kind of tied them
with that is that when you have to get to
a point in your life where you realize that you
know what, I like me. If you don't like me,
that's okay. Like if I did something wrong to you,
then yeah, I would feel bad about that. But if
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you just don't like the who I am and why
I am, then I don't know what to tell you. Like,
I'm fine with that, so I gotta move on and
and and I certainly felt that more than ever in
this instance of just like you know what? Uh. And
also another thing that really I did not expect was
how many people that that, how many gay people out
there love country music and um, and how much they
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needed someone. It felt like they did not have the
representation that they needed just this whole time, and I
wasn't really I didn't really realize that that. I don't
know if you call it an opportunity or whatever you
want to call it, I don't want to call it
an obligation because it doesn't feel like something. It doesn't
feel like obligation always seems negative. But this calling, if
you will, to feel like, okay, there is a there was.
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There's a lot of people out here have been marginalized
for a long time. It felt like they didn't belong
in country music and and they do and um and
hopefully with with me coming out allows them to feel
comfortable and accepted in this, in this wonderful genre that
I've loved my entire life and have made a career in. Well,
that's awesome. It's another way for you to be a leader.
And I think that's wonderful for for you to be
able to, as they say, live your own truth and
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help other people do that as well. That that's the
only way to live. And uh and we're proud of
you standing up for that. Hey, listen real quickly. You know,
people so often describe the electricity that sparks when YouTube
take the stage, But behind the scenes, when you're creating
the music, do you feel that same energy that they're
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talking about. That's what we call arguing. Yeah, you want
to call the spark it's a better way to put it. No, Uh, yeah,
yeah you feel this one, John, Well, I mean we
we we care you know, I like when I mean,
there are moments that are pretty um, you know, I
wouldn't say tumultuous, but like kind of awkward if there's
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a third person in the room, or just like kind
of like whatever, dude, whatever, Well, we just care, you know.
I mean if one of us didn't care, then it
would be both of us didn't care. That'd be even worse. Right, So, um,
there is certainly a spark, and it manifests itself in
a different way, you know, when it when it comes
out on stage. This songs are written, you know, the
creativity is kind of there. It's like riding a wave
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that's just perfectly set for you and you just get
on and do it. Um. But writing the song is
like trying to build the surfboard, and you will just
have like different opinions on how I need to be built.
You know, maybe we should have a pointy maybe we
shouldn't make this neon pink. I don't damn know. And
but it's always there. I mean, if you care, there
will be a spark. I mean, I think for what
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you the two of you do, I mean you it's
maybe you're faking it. I don't know, but it sounds
like every time we speak to you you still have
the spark. I mean, people don't think of it always.
And when it feels like that, and I feel like
I'm right. And as long as you have the spark,
you know, always use it. It's a pilot light. Never
let it burn out. Yeah. Yeah, Charlie and I fight
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all the time too, So I think that explains that
I would my top money to see me. I'd be like,
oh my god, it's not just us. Our time is up.
But we don't want to overdo here. But we we
love you guys. Please send our best to all your families,
will do and we are always here for any shameless
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self promotion that you have in mind. Okay, and we
want to end by tacking somebody off by saying we
love y'all. Ye love y'all. Hey all. I did not
even want to ask Charlie, but what just saying love
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y'all are posting that? What kind of hate could that bring?
I just I don't want, I don't want to know,
and I just don't get the world is so confusing
to me now, but it's so exciting and fun when
you bring on people like brothers Osborne, those personalities are
just a lot of fun. They've always been that way
around us, and they don't hold back. I mean, they're
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talking royalty, They're talking royal flush. I mean that came
out of where I asked this question, Charlie. Why is
it that so many of our conversations with you and
some of our mail ours and country music do end
up in the toilet or in the bathroom. My friends,
just know that we have your country covered right here.
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