November 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Is Democrat Socialism coming to America? We dig into NYC mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani to find the meaning behind his victory. We also discuss the civil war within the conservative movement, the shock and awe attacks on Tucker Carlson for interviewing Nick Fuentes, and how it is a major red flag for the 2026 midterm and beyond.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America. He's listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie, part two of this episode. So I
want to get back into this fight for the heart
of the right. We spoke about this last time we
(00:24):
talked to you guys from fam Boogie, and it's been escalating.
So you guys might remember last week, I think it
was we spoke about Tucker Carlson interviewing Nick Quentis, and
Nick Quentis is this kind of this right wing figure.
I don't want to go into too much about his background.
(00:45):
We spoke about it last fan Boogie, so you can
go back and listen to it then and if you
need a background on the guy, but he's this character
that was kind of pushed to the fringes very early,
and when he was still in college, gotten a little
bit of an early tussle with Ben Shapiro and some
of the Daily Wire guys, and he started asking questions
(01:05):
about Israel and America's support for Israel. He was also
kind of, I think, being groomed as potentially one of
those campus college debater guys, and when he started asking
those questions, he got pushed to the fringe and kind
of lived in that space I would say for a
good eight nine years or so, but slowly started coming
(01:26):
out and just recently has had this really this big
rise in social media on the right. So now you know,
then last week, you know, Tucker Carlson interviews him. Conservative
media goes bonkers over the interview. It was definitely a
softball interview. There could have been some hard questions in there,
and Tucker let him get away with some things. From there,
(01:47):
you had the Heritage Foundation, which I believe is the
foundation that gave Tucker his beginning and it's a conservative
think tank. I think it's been around since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we talked about that last week as well, a
little bit exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, the president of the Heritage Foundation comes forward and
basically gives a speech in a video that has been interpreted,
I think rightfully so as a defense of Tucker and
their relationship with Tucker, and he got pretty much attacked
by not only the Ben Shapiros and the kind of
(02:21):
Mark Levinz of the world, but internally he had some
issues and so he had some I believe they had
a Jewish task force internally within the Heritage Foundation that
was kind of fighting to kind of fight against anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Is there also a Catholic task force there?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I don't think so, but I believe that there are
some Catholics internally there as well too. So there's this
task force, you know, kind of giving him guidance or
giving the foundation guidance on how to deal with this
anti Semitism, the spread of anti Semitism. We've spoke about it,
and we've addressed that on our show as well too.
We've done multiple series on this topic on how we
(03:01):
can reduce anti Semitism. Our opinion, you know, one of
the things was is to stop doing these kinds of
censorship laws and things that will kind of make it
look like there is a preferred treatment of one ethnic
group or religious group over others. They had their own
task force within the Heritage Foundation. Well, they started applying
(03:24):
pressure to this president of the Heritage Foundation, and so
he started to have internal meetings within the Heritage Foundation,
and some of the meetings leaked to the public and
it got into you know, some of the media organizations
started covering these leaks, wing the leaks, and so they
(03:48):
had an internal another internal kind of a kind of
a town hall kind of a thing. And not town hall,
I shouldn't say, a kind of an all hands on
deck meeting, and they're addressing these leaks and as well
as this president his name is Kevin Roberts, came forward
and said that he made some mistakes in the video
(04:10):
and that it was written by I believe, his chief
of staff, and and that he thought that it had
gotten approved through the various channels within the organization and
kind of put the blame on this guy. But he
ended up saying the buck stops with me, and I
should have you know, reviewed this and looked into a
little bit better. But that guy ends up resigning from
(04:33):
the Heritage Foundation. So and then he had Kevin Roberts,
not Kevin Roberts, his guy that wrote that helped write
the speech that he put on video in defense of
Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow, so somebody lost their job over that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So someone lost their job, and his job was in question.
You know, there's been some you know, people within the
Heritage Foundation that have told him that he needs to resign,
that he handled this poorly, that he now we're.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Talking about Kevin Roberts, the president.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, that he basically has accept he's amplifying anti Semitism
by standing behind Tucker Carlson, who interviewed this you know,
quote unquote anti semi. So this leak happens, well, so
then they have this all hands on deck meeting and
that leaks.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That leaks as well, the.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Whole video leaks. I want to play a couple of
seconds Scandal, because there's some interesting parts of this that
I want to play for you guys. First, I want
to talk about this, this the leaks, and how they
were addressing the leaks. And I think this is actually
kind of interesting because they basically said that they were
hoping the person that leaked would step up and admit
(05:43):
that they leaked, and if they do that person and
if they won't do that, that they won't do it again.
And then we are watching this video because somebody actually
did it again. Here's here's some of the representatives, some
of the executives at the Heritage Foundation talking about these leaks.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yesterday, one of my former bosses died, Nick Cheney. I
know he's not in vogue. I know he's not popular.
He's a good man. One thing that he used to
say is I got this job because I didn't talk
about my last job in other words, he understood the
value of giving confidential advice to your boss. And we've
got to have that here. We've got to have that
(06:24):
culture of openness that Kevin was just talking about. I'll
be upset, but maybe not surprised if this meeting leaks,
and you just have to know that factors into everything
we do here. And so I would ask those who
are leaking to do the honorable thing, and if they
don't feel like they can be on this team, they
need to resign. And I don't say that gleefully in
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any way whatsoever. I ask if you were that leaker,
to admit to it. If you're not able to do that,
and never do it again. And if we're able to
move forward together as a team, I think we'll be
much much stronger.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And and it leaks, And the person that spoke next said,
you know, if you do leak and we find out
that you leaked, you're fired.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Duh. So I think they know that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes, Well, apparently people aren't very afraid of the leaking game.
So this is his apology. Now, this is the president.
His name is Kevin Roberts, and he talks about the
video that he did for Tucker Carlson and apologizes for
the video. I should say I should start this off
(07:31):
and to say that in the video, he used the
term venomous coalition, and I believe some of the Jewish
people within the organization, I believe they claimed that that
was kind of a historically anti Semitic phrase, is venomous coalition.
So he is apologizing about that phrase.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Term venomous coalition a terrible choice of words, especially for
our Jewish colleagues and friends who understand that given history,
to be a trope used against them. And I very sincerely,
very very sincerely apologize to you in particular and all
of you for using that. It was not my intention
(08:15):
to use a trope. I should have been better, So
I hope you understand that. But I have to be
better at being aware of those things.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So they have it. He's apologizing to the Jewish community
for saying a phrase that he did not know had
some kind of historical significance. I did not know that
venomous coalition had a historical connotation as well. I think
there's a lot of phrases what I've been noticing. When
you know you hear I remember that struggle session that
Cannice Owen's had with that rabbi cannot remember what his
(08:45):
name was, but there was like phrase after phrase after
phrase that had some kind of historical anti Semitic connection,
which I was unaware of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know what, there's a couple of phrases that you've
been using that I think are anti woman.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay, which would that be? Don't buy that?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I think it's really when you say that, so
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, then I am an anti woman friend, and I'm
going to remain that way. Yes, super misogynist. So apparently
this task force within the Heritage Foundation had suggested that
perhaps that some of the members of the Heritage Foundation
could go to Shabbat dinners. Shabbat dinners, I believe have
(09:28):
some religious connotation. I believe Shabbat is from Friday to
Saturday night, and it has some Jewish connotation, and all.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
My Jewish friends have Shabbat dinner every week with.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Their families, And so they suggested that the Heritage Foundation's
staff come and attend some of these Shabbat dinners. And
at this event, one of the Catholic members of the
Heritage Foundation came forward and said that he was concerned
by that because he was concerned that they were going
to be using attendance of these Shabbat dinners as litmus
(10:03):
test and that his religious beliefs would prohibit him from
being involved or participating in the religious rituals of another religion.
So he stepped forward to address that concern, and this
was the response. I should say, his name is Evan Myers,
(10:25):
and he works within the Heritage Foundation, and he's Catholic.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And this is part of the leaked video. By the way,
this is leaked information that we're we're playing you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're playing leaked info.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Thank you, Mike. That's a hard act to follow. I
thought you did a really good job, and I just
want to say I'm grateful for all of our colleagues
who are speaking up today, and especially for our colleagues
on the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism. I'm
especially grateful for their work. I also have a question
about it, given some of the leaks that occurred yesterday.
Right now, the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism
(10:58):
is demanding the Heritage host Shabbat dinners with Heritage in
turns in junior staff. The faith of many Christians here
at Heritage. Myself included would prevent us from attending these
dinners and good conscience. As you know, for many Christians,
Fridays a special day of prayer and abstinence to commemorate
the death of Christ. I assume that no staff will
be required to attend the Shabbat dinners, but my concern
(11:21):
is that these dinners will be to serve as a
sort of informal litmus test, and I'm worried that they
will hurt many Christians who are not antisemitic but don't
feel comfortable attending a Shabbat dinner. I would like to
know how you guys would respond to that concern and
how we can be sure that the dinners won't be
used that way when the people requesting them or someone
has already been leaking them to the media.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Evan Meyers, you're fired.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
The recommendations, and that was the word. There was no
demand was made. That is a gross mischaracterization of what
was issued by the coachers of the Anti Semitism pass
Force yesterday, of which I am one, and I take
some offense to that characterization. This was a recommendation, one
of six recommendations that the co chairs came to in
(12:09):
consultation with the task Force to try to provide doctor
Roberts with a path forward. As I said, they were recommendations.
They came out of the conversation which we were grateful
to have with you on this topic. And one of
the offers was if any Heritage staff would like to
participate in this kind of a dinner as an educational exercise,
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not as a betrayal of their faith. That was an
open offer from the Task Force. It was made in
generosity of spirit and in the hopes of increased dialogue
on this issue. And Evan, I'm deeply sorry that you
could not see that as a generous offer but rather
a personal attack on you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It was not here's a box, please put a totally
totally didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That sound like a little she's offended. Oh, she's a
tiny bit of she's a tiny bit offended. I wonder
if she would be okay if we maybe, I don't know,
through some holy water on her or you know, baptized her.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Evan Myers yours.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
If you look at this, Kevin, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Basically, when Evan Meyers stands up and he starts to
ask the question, Kevin Robert, the president of the Heritage Foundation,
the one that made the initial video about Tucker. He
looks over at the guy that's sitting as to him, like,
oh shit, here we go. He's screwed.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Anyway, it's coming in every direction.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Every director guy, and you're seeing it's a struggle session
that's happening right now. There's a struggle for power within
these conservative foundations, whether it be the Heritage Foundation, this
all goes back to Charlie Kirk's assassination. When Charlie Kirk
was assassinated, he was the bridge between the Christian and
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Conservative excuse me, the Christian and Jewish community. Not the
only one, but definitely the one between the youth. He
was that youth connection. He gets killed, and now you
have TPUSA. Where's it going to go? Which position is
it going to take? Right before his assassination, he was
expressing some frustration with his Jewish donors. He was concerned
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that they were not policing their own community in regards
to some of the money that was flowing into these
far left groups that were pro open borders and pro
progressive ideology and pro trands and what have you, and
who was saying, hey, you guys need to police your
own community and stop kind of you know, making me
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deplatform people that I don't want a deplatform, or at
least making those kinds of demands. He gets killed, I
believe by the people that the FBI believed that he
was killed by, which was a trans a gay guy
that was dating a trans person, Tyler Robinson. But he dies.
Now there's this vacuum. Where's TPUSA gonna go? And so
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there's this struggle within the conservative movement where is this
going to go? And there is this rising, incredibly energized
group of young people that want to disengage from Israel,
which is represented by the Grapers. Their leader is this
Nick Fuantes guy. And now you know, heritage has to respond,
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and so now you have a conflict there as well.
I'm telling you what I'm seeing right now is a big,
big problem. Here's what I'm seeing. The attacks on Tucker
right now look very familiar to the twenty fifteen twenty
sixteen attacks on Donald Trump. It's the same cohorts, It's
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a never kind of Trump group's plus some other Jewish
conservatives that were pro Trump have joined into this group.
They are attacking Tucker because they feel like he is
now becoming kind of anti Israel. He's becoming anti high interventionists,
although I think he's been anti interventionists for quite some time.
They believe that he's anti Semitic. They believe that he's
(16:10):
platforming anti Semites. They believe that he's amplifying these people's messages.
This group is attacking Tucker the same way that they
attacked Trump. The difference is, though the group back then
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, they were concerned that Trump
was going to be anti Israel. They didn't like his
anti neocon positions. They didn't like his positions against Bush
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and the interventions in the Middle East and the interventions
with Iraq and WMDs. And how remember how he famously
came up on the debate stage and said there were
no weapons of mass destruction and they knew there were
no weapons of mass destruction. Well, the Never Trump kind
of movement was born out of that debate. The coalition
was Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, John Podert, and that entire
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kind of conservative Jewish faction of the conservative movement. And
this is the same kind of group that is going
after Tucker right now. The problem is is that there
is no reconciliation in the future. With these two factions,
there will be no reconciliation. Trump eventually came to the
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side of the Jewish conservatives and appeased them in his
approach with Israel. His daughter is Jewish marriage by marriage,
she converted, but he came to their side. What I'm
seeing now with Tucker with kind of the Candae faction,
with Dave Smith, with this Nick flentis that coalition, that
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group of people, the glue that binds them together is
this desire to disengage from Israel. They will not ever
come to the side that is now this kind of
never Trump faction that's attacking them. That group that once
came together after Trump was elected will not come together
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now because these factions there's a dividing line. There's one
group on this side, on the pro side that is
I think arguably Israel is their defining issue that they
cannot leave. And then you have this other group that
sees this relationship with Israel and the money flowing to
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it and the involvement in their wars in that region
is problematic for America that it is taking our eye
off the ball with our problems here in the United States.
And they won't ever come back together.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Listen, you know I'm ethnically Jewish, and I think all
of the listeners know that I'm ethnically Jewish. I was
raised Catholic, but nevertheless, I'm an America first conservative. When
I look at the Heritage Foundation, you know their purpose
is too, and I'm paraphrasing here, promote conservative values that
are based on traditional American values, not on are you
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Jewish or are you not Jewish. I have a problem
with that. It's very simple. That doesn't make me an
anti semi And I think that this is a growing
for a lot of people on the right. And when
you voice that concern and you're called an anti semi,
you know what it does, It creates more anti Semitism.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, what I'm seeing right now is the same thing
that happened in two thousand and nine when I left
the Democrat Party and came to the right. I remember
back then in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and how the Obama campaign used accusations of racism on
anything that anytime you questioned various programs, various government programs,
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crime statistics, having to fight crime statistics, being against affirmative
action being against a lot of these policies that are
actually hurting the black community. Anytime you questioned those policies,
you were called a racist. I remember the poster that
went around of Obama that was a socialist poster. It
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had him painted as the joker and underneath it it
said socialism, and that went viral. It was pasted around
of all places, Hollywood, around my neighborhood, and I remember
the media immediately called it racist. No, it wasn't a
racist thing. Actually, I believe it was an Indian person
that ended up creating the graphic, but it was a
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social commentary on Obama and the policies that he was
trying to implement very early on. Whether it or feather
it was a dot Indian dot. So I look at.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That, I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, I'm just wondering, got you. I look at that
time frame and how the Obama administration was using these
accusations of racism. I'm seeing the same thing from the
conservative Jewish coalition on the right.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's exactly what it's like. That is a great analogy,
It's exactly what it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, the thing that I'm seeing now, this fissure that
I'm seeing happening between the Jewish faction and the Tuck
let's call it the Tucker Carlson faction of the right
over this this issue and him platforming and semites. I
think the Jewish group within our conservative movement is missing
something here and I want to get to that right
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the I mean, it's this closest thing to like a
major major conflict within the conservative movement that I've seen
in a while, and it seems irreconcilable. And I once
again I want to make a plead in to my
Jewish friends because I feel for their concern with a
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guy like Nick Fuentis. I don't like the guy. I
don't like his approach. I think that he is bombastic
for bombastic reasons. I understand why that happened though as well.
He was pushed to the fringes very early on when
he had some I believe legitimate questions in regards to
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our support of Israel financially and sending our men over there.
I've said this before, I'm going to say it again.
A friend of mine, one of my closest friends, killed
himself after serving in the Middle East War. These men
go out there, they deal with this war, they see
people die, they see people, they see death in a
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way that damages their brains. They come back here and
they end up either with PTSD or like my friend David,
killing himself. And so it's a big issue for a
lot of us. A lot of people want to disengage
purely because they don't want our boys to die. But
this fissure that I see happening between these two sides.
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They're concerned about Nick Fuentes because they claim that he
is a self proclaimed Nazi. Okay, and you could definitely
pull out some clips and find him saying those kinds
of things. This is where I think people are missing
the point. He was thrown to the fringes, as I
explained last in the Last Famboogie, and had to deal
and survive in like the four chan world, which is
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basically this kind of fringy kind of online communities where
they say some very colorful things. One to kick normies
out so they can kind of have their own conversations.
And two, it's just this is the main reason why
I think why I see a lot of these people
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using this kind of these kinds of Nazi references and
these kinds of Hitler references. And I've been seeing We've
been seeing this even in another scandal, which we didn't
talk about a couple weeks ago, which is this Young
Republicans group in New York. They we also had some
leak chats that went out there, and in those leak chats,
it was put out by Politico, you know, thousands of pages,
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I believe, of chat conversations within these this Young Republicans group,
people were making Hitler and Nazi jokes. I think what's
happening is is these young people, they don't care about
their grandparents' villains. They don't want people to use the Holocaust,
or to use Nazism or to use Hitler, as some
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kind of a way to shut them up. So what
they're doing is and I've actually seen this Nick flent
desk guy talk about this. He says that he says
these things because he's trying to basically take it away
as a weapon the same way maybe like the black
community has used the N word with the hard R
as kind of a greeting between each other to kind
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of take away the venom of those statements, and I
think that is what these guys are doing. I think
that they're using these terms as like, oh okay, you're
gonna call me anti Semitic, Oh okay, boom about Hitler.
This is how I see these people using these terms.
They're saying, fuck your villains, fuck my grandparents' villains. I
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don't have anything to do with that villain. The United
States actually saved the Jewish community during World War Two.
My grandparents actually did that, and so why are you
placing that ancestral pain on me. That's what I'm seeing
with these people. So I think that is how you
know why this guy, Nick Fuentz is trying to do it.
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He's trying to remove the venom of that and just
get to the topic. Okay, So now We're gonna wipe
all that stuff clean. You want to call me a Nazi,
you want to call me an anti Semite, Okay, fine,
I then that's what I am. Now, let's have this
conversation about the topics that is important to me. And
I think that is where my Jewish friends are missing
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the point on this. They can throw up all these
kind of character attacks. I'm seeing it online. I'm seeing
how people are responding to it. They don't care about
those character attacks, but they are entire they are so
tired of the Israel issue. They are so tired of it.
All they want, it appears to me, they want to
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provide for their families. They want to be able to
buy a house, they want to have a kids. They
want to have a family that they can provide for
and they can pass on some legacy and wealth to
their children. And those issues are not being addressed because
we're constantly talking about this issue and about a land
that's thousands and thousands of miles away, as opposed to
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the homeless person that they have to step over to
go to work every day. So that's where I'm kind
of seeing this happen. And I watched this video of
Ben Shapiro, where he was basically going at Tucker for
platforming Nick Fuents.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Hey, folks, I want to do something different on today's show.
We're going to cover one topic in depth. That topic
is I think I think the most important thing happening
in the country was a hot topic last week, but
I wanted to take some time to really gather my
thoughts and speak on it in coherent fashion, holistic fashion.
That topic is the fragmentation of the political right. That
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fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of
people led by a young man named Nick Flintes. They
call themselves the Groupers. They are white supremacists. They hate women, Jews, Hindus,
many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety
of backgrounds, Blacks, America's foreign policy, and America's Constitution. They
admire Hitler and Stalin, and that splinter faction is now
(28:38):
being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican Party. The
main agents in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is
an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think that it was it missed the point. It
was all character attacks. It was not dealing with any
of the substantive points that Nick was making within the podcast.
It was purely pulling up the worst clips of Nick
Fuentes over the past years, the past five ten years,
and using that to paint him a certain way. And
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you're not going to win the fight that way. You
might be able to hold on to some of these
conservative thing tanks, but those conservative thing tanks are also
going to lose influence because they are not hearing the
America First issues here that people are so concerned about.
And I think at the end of the day, I
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think this is a major major problem within the conservative
movement because it's irreconcilable. The Jewish Conservatives and this group
of let's say Groper's will not come together ever. And
what is that going to mean electorally? Well, I think
we just saw something happen in New York, and we
saw something happen in Virginia, and we saw something happen
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in Georgia and various other places. Is you are seeing
perfect example Mom Donnie, who is is a Muslim immigrant
who is aligned with some anti Israel and anti Jewish
communities one a majority in New York and now he
has control of the media and financial center of the world.
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So I'm not sure how this fissure or how this
fracture is going to play out, But I don't think
the best way to fight the Nick fuentes Is of
the world is to constantly pull up these old clips
of theirs and try to paint them a certain way,
because this isn't the nineteen seventies where you had the
(30:40):
old days of William F. Buckley and the gatekeeping that
happened at that time. And I think the Conservatives right
now think that they are still dealing within that time.
And I actually know that the leaked video that came
out from the Heritage Foundation, one of the members of
the Heritage Foundation actually spoke about how they were able
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to gatekeep at that time. Here he is speaking about that.
This man's name is Robert Rector, And.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
I want to start by going back to the origins
of this institution, the origins of conservatism, with William F. Buckley,
someone who almost none of you have ever met him.
I hope you know who he was, because he founded
the conservative movement in the United States. And I want
to go back to his basic principle when he set
(31:29):
up the Conservative movement in the early nineteen sixties, and
he said, you have to put boundaries around this movement. Okay,
back then it was the John Burt Society basically, but
there were not one principle but two the boundaries, because
if you don't have boundaries on who you regard inside
the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it will
(31:49):
create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And the
boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the early
nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all antisemitism,
all of it. But that's just part of it from
the Conservative movement. The other is you have to expel
the lunatics.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I don't think that that's wrong either, what he's saying there,
but it's the definition of anti semitism where I think
people start to argue over and we should kick out
the lunatics. I don't want Ian Carroll anywhere near me
or anywherewhere near the movement that I want to be
associated with. He's a conspiracy theorist, he's a liar. He
(32:33):
puts out these crazy, wacko conspiracies into the ether with
no factual. He doesn't even look into the facts of
his conspiracy theories. So I think that in principle what
he's saying makes sense. But it comes down to if
you're going to put up guardrails, and you're going to
put up and you're going to gatekeep, but you're going
(32:53):
to call anybody that disagrees with America's foreign policy, let's say,
with Israel, if you're going to call that anti Semitic,
that's a problem. Okay, we're talking about definitions here. He
went on.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Okay, the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay,
and a whole bunch of and we have them back now. Okay,
they are both here back just the way they were
in nineteen fifty nine, and we have to go back
and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel.
We do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke?
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Do we cancel the John Bird Society?
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Okay, because they were harmful because if you're they're in
your movement, you look like clowns. Okay, And the issue
here is Tucker Carlson, and I think, mister President, you
don't understand the post pec Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Tucker Carlson, Okay, so you get the picture. He wants
to cancel Tucker. He wants to Tucker out of the
conservative movement. And I think what the mistake he's making there.
And I think the mistake that some of these guys
that now that are trying to take hold of this
heritage foundation is that we aren't living in the seventies,
we aren't living in the nineties, we aren't living in
(34:08):
the two thousands to where you could cancel people the
same way they tried to cancel Nick Fuentes. They tried
to do that for nine years. They threw him into
the fringes, they deplatformed him, off of everything. He just
got bigger. He I would say, now he is in
the top. I want to say five of conservative commentators
(34:32):
in regards to viewership, Tucker, Candice, and Nick Fuentes. And
you know, then you have a couple of Fox personalities,
perhaps maybe a Megan Kelly and a Glenn Beck and
those kinds of people. He is in that conversation as
far as viewership goes. He goes onto a show on YouTube,
(34:52):
that show will get a million views, He'll get interviewed
by Tucker Carlson, and he will have as many views
as or get close to as many views as presidents
of nations. Okay, that is not something that you can
cancel anymore. You need to deal with it and argue
with it and beat it in the marketplace of ideas.
(35:16):
And this is where the conservative movement is going wrong,
and this is where the Heritage Foundation and I could
see it. I could see it in this guy, this
President's face. He's starting to acquiesce to this. He's starting
to fold on this, and it's going to be the
death knil of the Heritage Foundation. If they decide to
(35:36):
take this route, and they decide to not deal with
this problem head on and not deal with these arguments
head on, it is going to be a problem. And
I see I think electorally, I think it's we're going
to get if this continues to go in this direction,
it is going to be an annihilation in the midterms,
and we're going to start to see Trump, you know,
go through impeachments again and potentially purp walked again if
(36:00):
it tends to go this route. I mean, the youth
are animal he did about this Israel issue. Listen to
this TPUSA event, Listen to the questioner, and then listen
to the audience's reaction to that question. When the questioner
asks Eric Trump and his wife something about Israel.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Mister Trump, missus Trump, I'd like to ask about your
father's relationship with Israel. He's taken over two hundred and
thirty million dollars from pro Israel groups during the summer
against Iran. Even though he advised against it, Israel still
attacked Iran and the US still bombed on behalf of Israel.
(36:38):
Your father's frustrations with a Net and Yahoo have been
made clear when he cursed on national TV over the situation.
Israel has not been a great ally to the US
all the way since nineteen sixty when they bombed the
USS liberty. Israel is a nation where Christians are constantly
under attack in both Gaza and the West Bank. We
(37:01):
talk about America first and in Christians, but how can
we do this if we align ourselves with the nation
that does not do that itself.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I mean, listen to that applause. It's a major problem.
And I don't know where this goes, but I would suggest,
as we have suggested time and time again on this
is don't move towards censorship, move towards arguing with these people,
beat them in the marketplace of ideas. You do it
every day with the left, you need to do it
(37:37):
within this group on the right. You are not going
to be able to cancel them the same way that
you are able to cancel the John Birch Society back
in the seventies. You're not going to be able to
cancel them the same way that you're able to cancel
Pap bu Can. And this is not the ecosystem that
we're in right now. They will get continue to get stronger,
and you will continue to feed the conspiracy theories that
(37:59):
gave those movements, that gave the Nick Foentes and the
Graper movement wind in their sales. If you move towards censorship.
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Speaker 2 (38:41):
By everyone.
This is Red Pilled America. He's listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie, part two of this episode. So I
want to get back into this fight for the heart
of the right. We spoke about this last time we
(00:24):
talked to you guys from fam Boogie, and it's been escalating.
So you guys might remember last week, I think it
was we spoke about Tucker Carlson interviewing Nick Quentis, and
Nick Quentis is this kind of this right wing figure.
I don't want to go into too much about his background.
(00:45):
We spoke about it last fan Boogie, so you can
go back and listen to it then and if you
need a background on the guy, but he's this character
that was kind of pushed to the fringes very early,
and when he was still in college, gotten a little
bit of an early tussle with Ben Shapiro and some
of the Daily Wire guys, and he started asking questions
(01:05):
about Israel and America's support for Israel. He was also
kind of, I think, being groomed as potentially one of
those campus college debater guys, and when he started asking
those questions, he got pushed to the fringe and kind
of lived in that space I would say for a
good eight nine years or so, but slowly started coming
(01:26):
out and just recently has had this really this big
rise in social media on the right. So now you know,
then last week, you know, Tucker Carlson interviews him. Conservative
media goes bonkers over the interview. It was definitely a
softball interview. There could have been some hard questions in there,
and Tucker let him get away with some things. From there,
(01:47):
you had the Heritage Foundation, which I believe is the
foundation that gave Tucker his beginning and it's a conservative
think tank. I think it's been around since the seventies.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, we talked about that last week as well, a
little bit exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, the president of the Heritage Foundation comes forward and
basically gives a speech in a video that has been interpreted,
I think rightfully so as a defense of Tucker and
their relationship with Tucker, and he got pretty much attacked
by not only the Ben Shapiros and the kind of
(02:21):
Mark Levinz of the world, but internally he had some
issues and so he had some I believe they had
a Jewish task force internally within the Heritage Foundation that
was kind of fighting to kind of fight against anti Semitism.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Is there also a Catholic task force there?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I don't think so, but I believe that there are
some Catholics internally there as well too. So there's this
task force, you know, kind of giving him guidance or
giving the foundation guidance on how to deal with this
anti Semitism, the spread of anti Semitism. We've spoke about it,
and we've addressed that on our show as well too.
We've done multiple series on this topic on how we
(03:01):
can reduce anti Semitism. Our opinion, you know, one of
the things was is to stop doing these kinds of
censorship laws and things that will kind of make it
look like there is a preferred treatment of one ethnic
group or religious group over others. They had their own
task force within the Heritage Foundation. Well, they started applying
(03:24):
pressure to this president of the Heritage Foundation, and so
he started to have internal meetings within the Heritage Foundation,
and some of the meetings leaked to the public and
it got into you know, some of the media organizations
started covering these leaks, wing the leaks, and so they
(03:48):
had an internal another internal kind of a kind of
a town hall kind of a thing. And not town hall,
I shouldn't say, a kind of an all hands on
deck meeting, and they're addressing these leaks and as well
as this president his name is Kevin Roberts, came forward
and said that he made some mistakes in the video
(04:10):
and that it was written by I believe, his chief
of staff, and and that he thought that it had
gotten approved through the various channels within the organization and
kind of put the blame on this guy. But he
ended up saying the buck stops with me, and I
should have you know, reviewed this and looked into a
little bit better. But that guy ends up resigning from
(04:33):
the Heritage Foundation. So and then he had Kevin Roberts,
not Kevin Roberts, his guy that wrote that helped write
the speech that he put on video in defense of
Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow, so somebody lost their job over that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So someone lost their job, and his job was in question.
You know, there's been some you know, people within the
Heritage Foundation that have told him that he needs to resign,
that he handled this poorly, that he now we're.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Talking about Kevin Roberts, the president.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, that he basically has accept he's amplifying anti Semitism
by standing behind Tucker Carlson, who interviewed this you know,
quote unquote anti semi. So this leak happens, well, so
then they have this all hands on deck meeting and
that leaks.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That leaks as well, the.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Whole video leaks. I want to play a couple of
seconds Scandal, because there's some interesting parts of this that
I want to play for you guys. First, I want
to talk about this, this the leaks, and how they
were addressing the leaks. And I think this is actually
kind of interesting because they basically said that they were
hoping the person that leaked would step up and admit
(05:43):
that they leaked, and if they do that person and
if they won't do that, that they won't do it again.
And then we are watching this video because somebody actually
did it again. Here's here's some of the representatives, some
of the executives at the Heritage Foundation talking about these leaks.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yesterday, one of my former bosses died, Nick Cheney. I
know he's not in vogue. I know he's not popular.
He's a good man. One thing that he used to
say is I got this job because I didn't talk
about my last job in other words, he understood the
value of giving confidential advice to your boss. And we've
got to have that here. We've got to have that
(06:24):
culture of openness that Kevin was just talking about. I'll
be upset, but maybe not surprised if this meeting leaks,
and you just have to know that factors into everything
we do here. And so I would ask those who
are leaking to do the honorable thing, and if they
don't feel like they can be on this team, they
need to resign. And I don't say that gleefully in
(06:46):
any way whatsoever. I ask if you were that leaker,
to admit to it. If you're not able to do that,
and never do it again. And if we're able to
move forward together as a team, I think we'll be
much much stronger.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And and it leaks, And the person that spoke next said,
you know, if you do leak and we find out
that you leaked, you're fired.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Duh. So I think they know that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes, Well, apparently people aren't very afraid of the leaking game.
So this is his apology. Now, this is the president.
His name is Kevin Roberts, and he talks about the
video that he did for Tucker Carlson and apologizes for
the video. I should say I should start this off
(07:31):
and to say that in the video, he used the
term venomous coalition, and I believe some of the Jewish
people within the organization, I believe they claimed that that
was kind of a historically anti Semitic phrase, is venomous coalition.
So he is apologizing about that phrase.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Term venomous coalition a terrible choice of words, especially for
our Jewish colleagues and friends who understand that given history,
to be a trope used against them. And I very sincerely,
very very sincerely apologize to you in particular and all
of you for using that. It was not my intention
(08:15):
to use a trope. I should have been better, So
I hope you understand that. But I have to be
better at being aware of those things.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So they have it. He's apologizing to the Jewish community
for saying a phrase that he did not know had
some kind of historical significance. I did not know that
venomous coalition had a historical connotation as well. I think
there's a lot of phrases what I've been noticing. When
you know you hear I remember that struggle session that
Cannice Owen's had with that rabbi cannot remember what his
(08:45):
name was, but there was like phrase after phrase after
phrase that had some kind of historical anti Semitic connection,
which I was unaware of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know what, there's a couple of phrases that you've
been using that I think are anti woman.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay, which would that be? Don't buy that?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I think it's really when you say that, so
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, then I am an anti woman friend, and I'm
going to remain that way. Yes, super misogynist. So apparently
this task force within the Heritage Foundation had suggested that
perhaps that some of the members of the Heritage Foundation
could go to Shabbat dinners. Shabbat dinners, I believe have
(09:28):
some religious connotation. I believe Shabbat is from Friday to
Saturday night, and it has some Jewish connotation, and all.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
My Jewish friends have Shabbat dinner every week with.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Their families, And so they suggested that the Heritage Foundation's
staff come and attend some of these Shabbat dinners. And
at this event, one of the Catholic members of the
Heritage Foundation came forward and said that he was concerned
by that because he was concerned that they were going
to be using attendance of these Shabbat dinners as litmus
(10:03):
test and that his religious beliefs would prohibit him from
being involved or participating in the religious rituals of another religion.
So he stepped forward to address that concern, and this
was the response. I should say, his name is Evan Myers,
(10:25):
and he works within the Heritage Foundation, and he's Catholic.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And this is part of the leaked video. By the way,
this is leaked information that we're we're playing you.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're playing leaked info.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Thank you, Mike. That's a hard act to follow. I
thought you did a really good job, and I just
want to say I'm grateful for all of our colleagues
who are speaking up today, and especially for our colleagues
on the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism. I'm
especially grateful for their work. I also have a question
about it, given some of the leaks that occurred yesterday.
Right now, the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism
(10:58):
is demanding the Heritage host Shabbat dinners with Heritage in
turns in junior staff. The faith of many Christians here
at Heritage. Myself included would prevent us from attending these
dinners and good conscience. As you know, for many Christians,
Fridays a special day of prayer and abstinence to commemorate
the death of Christ. I assume that no staff will
be required to attend the Shabbat dinners, but my concern
(11:21):
is that these dinners will be to serve as a
sort of informal litmus test, and I'm worried that they
will hurt many Christians who are not antisemitic but don't
feel comfortable attending a Shabbat dinner. I would like to
know how you guys would respond to that concern and
how we can be sure that the dinners won't be
used that way when the people requesting them or someone
has already been leaking them to the media.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Evan Meyers, you're fired.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
The recommendations, and that was the word. There was no
demand was made. That is a gross mischaracterization of what
was issued by the coachers of the Anti Semitism pass
Force yesterday, of which I am one, and I take
some offense to that characterization. This was a recommendation, one
of six recommendations that the co chairs came to in
(12:09):
consultation with the task Force to try to provide doctor
Roberts with a path forward. As I said, they were recommendations.
They came out of the conversation which we were grateful
to have with you on this topic. And one of
the offers was if any Heritage staff would like to
participate in this kind of a dinner as an educational exercise,
(12:32):
not as a betrayal of their faith. That was an
open offer from the Task Force. It was made in
generosity of spirit and in the hopes of increased dialogue
on this issue. And Evan, I'm deeply sorry that you
could not see that as a generous offer but rather
a personal attack on you.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It was not here's a box, please put a totally
totally didn't.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That sound like a little she's offended. Oh, she's a
tiny bit of she's a tiny bit offended. I wonder
if she would be okay if we maybe, I don't know,
through some holy water on her or you know, baptized her.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Evan Myers yours.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
If you look at this, Kevin, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Basically, when Evan Meyers stands up and he starts to
ask the question, Kevin Robert, the president of the Heritage Foundation,
the one that made the initial video about Tucker. He
looks over at the guy that's sitting as to him, like,
oh shit, here we go. He's screwed.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Anyway, it's coming in every direction.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Every director guy, and you're seeing it's a struggle session
that's happening right now. There's a struggle for power within
these conservative foundations, whether it be the Heritage Foundation, this
all goes back to Charlie Kirk's assassination. When Charlie Kirk
was assassinated, he was the bridge between the Christian and
(13:59):
Conservative excuse me, the Christian and Jewish community. Not the
only one, but definitely the one between the youth. He
was that youth connection. He gets killed, and now you
have TPUSA. Where's it going to go? Which position is
it going to take? Right before his assassination, he was
expressing some frustration with his Jewish donors. He was concerned
(14:23):
that they were not policing their own community in regards
to some of the money that was flowing into these
far left groups that were pro open borders and pro
progressive ideology and pro trands and what have you, and
who was saying, hey, you guys need to police your
own community and stop kind of you know, making me
(14:44):
deplatform people that I don't want a deplatform, or at
least making those kinds of demands. He gets killed, I
believe by the people that the FBI believed that he
was killed by, which was a trans a gay guy
that was dating a trans person, Tyler Robinson. But he dies.
Now there's this vacuum. Where's TPUSA gonna go? And so
(15:04):
there's this struggle within the conservative movement where is this
going to go? And there is this rising, incredibly energized
group of young people that want to disengage from Israel,
which is represented by the Grapers. Their leader is this
Nick Fuantes guy. And now you know, heritage has to respond,
(15:26):
and so now you have a conflict there as well.
I'm telling you what I'm seeing right now is a big,
big problem. Here's what I'm seeing. The attacks on Tucker
right now look very familiar to the twenty fifteen twenty
sixteen attacks on Donald Trump. It's the same cohorts, It's
(15:47):
a never kind of Trump group's plus some other Jewish
conservatives that were pro Trump have joined into this group.
They are attacking Tucker because they feel like he is
now becoming kind of anti Israel. He's becoming anti high interventionists,
although I think he's been anti interventionists for quite some time.
They believe that he's anti Semitic. They believe that he's
(16:10):
platforming anti Semites. They believe that he's amplifying these people's messages.
This group is attacking Tucker the same way that they
attacked Trump. The difference is, though the group back then
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, they were concerned that Trump
was going to be anti Israel. They didn't like his
anti neocon positions. They didn't like his positions against Bush
(16:33):
and the interventions in the Middle East and the interventions
with Iraq and WMDs. And how remember how he famously
came up on the debate stage and said there were
no weapons of mass destruction and they knew there were
no weapons of mass destruction. Well, the Never Trump kind
of movement was born out of that debate. The coalition
was Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, John Podert, and that entire
(16:55):
kind of conservative Jewish faction of the conservative movement. And
this is the same kind of group that is going
after Tucker right now. The problem is is that there
is no reconciliation in the future. With these two factions,
there will be no reconciliation. Trump eventually came to the
(17:17):
side of the Jewish conservatives and appeased them in his
approach with Israel. His daughter is Jewish marriage by marriage,
she converted, but he came to their side. What I'm
seeing now with Tucker with kind of the Candae faction,
with Dave Smith, with this Nick flentis that coalition, that
(17:37):
group of people, the glue that binds them together is
this desire to disengage from Israel. They will not ever
come to the side that is now this kind of
never Trump faction that's attacking them. That group that once
came together after Trump was elected will not come together
(17:57):
now because these factions there's a dividing line. There's one
group on this side, on the pro side that is
I think arguably Israel is their defining issue that they
cannot leave. And then you have this other group that
sees this relationship with Israel and the money flowing to
(18:17):
it and the involvement in their wars in that region
is problematic for America that it is taking our eye
off the ball with our problems here in the United States.
And they won't ever come back together.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Listen, you know I'm ethnically Jewish, and I think all
of the listeners know that I'm ethnically Jewish. I was
raised Catholic, but nevertheless, I'm an America first conservative. When
I look at the Heritage Foundation, you know their purpose
is too, and I'm paraphrasing here, promote conservative values that
are based on traditional American values, not on are you
(18:55):
Jewish or are you not Jewish. I have a problem
with that. It's very simple. That doesn't make me an
anti semi And I think that this is a growing
for a lot of people on the right. And when
you voice that concern and you're called an anti semi,
you know what it does, It creates more anti Semitism.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Well, what I'm seeing right now is the same thing
that happened in two thousand and nine when I left
the Democrat Party and came to the right. I remember
back then in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and how the Obama campaign used accusations of racism on
anything that anytime you questioned various programs, various government programs,
(19:34):
crime statistics, having to fight crime statistics, being against affirmative
action being against a lot of these policies that are
actually hurting the black community. Anytime you questioned those policies,
you were called a racist. I remember the poster that
went around of Obama that was a socialist poster. It
(19:54):
had him painted as the joker and underneath it it
said socialism, and that went viral. It was pasted around
of all places, Hollywood, around my neighborhood, and I remember
the media immediately called it racist. No, it wasn't a
racist thing. Actually, I believe it was an Indian person
that ended up creating the graphic, but it was a
(20:18):
social commentary on Obama and the policies that he was
trying to implement very early on. Whether it or feather
it was a dot Indian dot. So I look at.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That, I'm just wondering.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, I'm just wondering, got you. I look at that
time frame and how the Obama administration was using these
accusations of racism. I'm seeing the same thing from the
conservative Jewish coalition on the right.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's exactly what it's like. That is a great analogy,
It's exactly what it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Well, the thing that I'm seeing now, this fissure that
I'm seeing happening between the Jewish faction and the Tuck
let's call it the Tucker Carlson faction of the right
over this this issue and him platforming and semites. I
think the Jewish group within our conservative movement is missing
something here and I want to get to that right
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goes away. Guys. So this fissure that's happening, this actually
the I mean, it's this closest thing to like a
major major conflict within the conservative movement that I've seen
in a while, and it seems irreconcilable. And I once
again I want to make a plead in to my
Jewish friends because I feel for their concern with a
(23:01):
guy like Nick Fuentis. I don't like the guy. I
don't like his approach. I think that he is bombastic
for bombastic reasons. I understand why that happened though as well.
He was pushed to the fringes very early on when
he had some I believe legitimate questions in regards to
(23:22):
our support of Israel financially and sending our men over there.
I've said this before, I'm going to say it again.
A friend of mine, one of my closest friends, killed
himself after serving in the Middle East War. These men
go out there, they deal with this war, they see
people die, they see people, they see death in a
(23:42):
way that damages their brains. They come back here and
they end up either with PTSD or like my friend David,
killing himself. And so it's a big issue for a
lot of us. A lot of people want to disengage
purely because they don't want our boys to die. But
this fissure that I see happening between these two sides.
(24:04):
They're concerned about Nick Fuentes because they claim that he
is a self proclaimed Nazi. Okay, and you could definitely
pull out some clips and find him saying those kinds
of things. This is where I think people are missing
the point. He was thrown to the fringes, as I
explained last in the Last Famboogie, and had to deal
and survive in like the four chan world, which is
(24:27):
basically this kind of fringy kind of online communities where
they say some very colorful things. One to kick normies
out so they can kind of have their own conversations.
And two, it's just this is the main reason why
I think why I see a lot of these people
(24:49):
using this kind of these kinds of Nazi references and
these kinds of Hitler references. And I've been seeing We've
been seeing this even in another scandal, which we didn't
talk about a couple weeks ago, which is this Young
Republicans group in New York. They we also had some
leak chats that went out there, and in those leak chats,
it was put out by Politico, you know, thousands of pages,
(25:09):
I believe, of chat conversations within these this Young Republicans group,
people were making Hitler and Nazi jokes. I think what's
happening is is these young people, they don't care about
their grandparents' villains. They don't want people to use the Holocaust,
or to use Nazism or to use Hitler, as some
(25:30):
kind of a way to shut them up. So what
they're doing is and I've actually seen this Nick flent
desk guy talk about this. He says that he says
these things because he's trying to basically take it away
as a weapon the same way maybe like the black
community has used the N word with the hard R
as kind of a greeting between each other to kind
(25:53):
of take away the venom of those statements, and I
think that is what these guys are doing. I think
that they're using these terms as like, oh okay, you're
gonna call me anti Semitic, Oh okay, boom about Hitler.
This is how I see these people using these terms.
They're saying, fuck your villains, fuck my grandparents' villains. I
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don't have anything to do with that villain. The United
States actually saved the Jewish community during World War Two.
My grandparents actually did that, and so why are you
placing that ancestral pain on me. That's what I'm seeing
with these people. So I think that is how you
know why this guy, Nick Fuentz is trying to do it.
(26:35):
He's trying to remove the venom of that and just
get to the topic. Okay, So now We're gonna wipe
all that stuff clean. You want to call me a Nazi,
you want to call me an anti Semite, Okay, fine,
I then that's what I am. Now, let's have this
conversation about the topics that is important to me. And
I think that is where my Jewish friends are missing
(26:57):
the point on this. They can throw up all these
kind of character attacks. I'm seeing it online. I'm seeing
how people are responding to it. They don't care about
those character attacks, but they are entire they are so
tired of the Israel issue. They are so tired of it.
All they want, it appears to me, they want to
(27:19):
provide for their families. They want to be able to
buy a house, they want to have a kids. They
want to have a family that they can provide for
and they can pass on some legacy and wealth to
their children. And those issues are not being addressed because
we're constantly talking about this issue and about a land
that's thousands and thousands of miles away, as opposed to
(27:41):
the homeless person that they have to step over to
go to work every day. So that's where I'm kind
of seeing this happen. And I watched this video of
Ben Shapiro, where he was basically going at Tucker for
platforming Nick Fuents.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Hey, folks, I want to do something different on today's show.
We're going to cover one topic in depth. That topic
is I think I think the most important thing happening
in the country was a hot topic last week, but
I wanted to take some time to really gather my
thoughts and speak on it in coherent fashion, holistic fashion.
That topic is the fragmentation of the political right. That
(28:17):
fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of
people led by a young man named Nick Flintes. They
call themselves the Groupers. They are white supremacists. They hate women, Jews, Hindus,
many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety
of backgrounds, Blacks, America's foreign policy, and America's Constitution. They
admire Hitler and Stalin, and that splinter faction is now
(28:38):
being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican Party. The
main agents in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is
an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think that it was it missed the point. It
was all character attacks. It was not dealing with any
of the substantive points that Nick was making within the podcast.
It was purely pulling up the worst clips of Nick
Fuentes over the past years, the past five ten years,
and using that to paint him a certain way. And
(29:12):
you're not going to win the fight that way. You
might be able to hold on to some of these
conservative thing tanks, but those conservative thing tanks are also
going to lose influence because they are not hearing the
America First issues here that people are so concerned about.
And I think at the end of the day, I
(29:33):
think this is a major major problem within the conservative
movement because it's irreconcilable. The Jewish Conservatives and this group
of let's say Groper's will not come together ever. And
what is that going to mean electorally? Well, I think
we just saw something happen in New York, and we
saw something happen in Virginia, and we saw something happen
(29:55):
in Georgia and various other places. Is you are seeing
perfect example Mom Donnie, who is is a Muslim immigrant
who is aligned with some anti Israel and anti Jewish
communities one a majority in New York and now he
has control of the media and financial center of the world.
(30:20):
So I'm not sure how this fissure or how this
fracture is going to play out, But I don't think
the best way to fight the Nick fuentes Is of
the world is to constantly pull up these old clips
of theirs and try to paint them a certain way,
because this isn't the nineteen seventies where you had the
(30:40):
old days of William F. Buckley and the gatekeeping that
happened at that time. And I think the Conservatives right
now think that they are still dealing within that time.
And I actually know that the leaked video that came
out from the Heritage Foundation, one of the members of
the Heritage Foundation actually spoke about how they were able
(31:01):
to gatekeep at that time. Here he is speaking about that.
This man's name is Robert Rector, And.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
I want to start by going back to the origins
of this institution, the origins of conservatism, with William F. Buckley,
someone who almost none of you have ever met him.
I hope you know who he was, because he founded
the conservative movement in the United States. And I want
to go back to his basic principle when he set
(31:29):
up the Conservative movement in the early nineteen sixties, and
he said, you have to put boundaries around this movement. Okay,
back then it was the John Burt Society basically, but
there were not one principle but two the boundaries, because
if you don't have boundaries on who you regard inside
the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it will
(31:49):
create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And the
boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the early
nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all antisemitism,
all of it. But that's just part of it from
the Conservative movement. The other is you have to expel
the lunatics.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I don't think that that's wrong either, what he's saying there,
but it's the definition of anti semitism where I think
people start to argue over and we should kick out
the lunatics. I don't want Ian Carroll anywhere near me
or anywherewhere near the movement that I want to be
associated with. He's a conspiracy theorist, he's a liar. He
(32:33):
puts out these crazy, wacko conspiracies into the ether with
no factual. He doesn't even look into the facts of
his conspiracy theories. So I think that in principle what
he's saying makes sense. But it comes down to if
you're going to put up guardrails, and you're going to
put up and you're going to gatekeep, but you're going
(32:53):
to call anybody that disagrees with America's foreign policy, let's say,
with Israel, if you're going to call that anti Semitic,
that's a problem. Okay, we're talking about definitions here. He
went on.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Okay, the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay,
and a whole bunch of and we have them back now. Okay,
they are both here back just the way they were
in nineteen fifty nine, and we have to go back
and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel.
We do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke?
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Do we cancel the John Bird Society?
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Okay, because they were harmful because if you're they're in
your movement, you look like clowns. Okay, And the issue
here is Tucker Carlson, and I think, mister President, you
don't understand the post pec Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Tucker Carlson, Okay, so you get the picture. He wants
to cancel Tucker. He wants to Tucker out of the
conservative movement. And I think what the mistake he's making there.
And I think the mistake that some of these guys
that now that are trying to take hold of this
heritage foundation is that we aren't living in the seventies,
we aren't living in the nineties, we aren't living in
(34:08):
the two thousands to where you could cancel people the
same way they tried to cancel Nick Fuentes. They tried
to do that for nine years. They threw him into
the fringes, they deplatformed him, off of everything. He just
got bigger. He I would say, now he is in
the top. I want to say five of conservative commentators
(34:32):
in regards to viewership, Tucker, Candice, and Nick Fuentes. And
you know, then you have a couple of Fox personalities,
perhaps maybe a Megan Kelly and a Glenn Beck and
those kinds of people. He is in that conversation as
far as viewership goes. He goes onto a show on YouTube,
(34:52):
that show will get a million views, He'll get interviewed
by Tucker Carlson, and he will have as many views
as or get close to as many views as presidents
of nations. Okay, that is not something that you can
cancel anymore. You need to deal with it and argue
with it and beat it in the marketplace of ideas.
(35:16):
And this is where the conservative movement is going wrong,
and this is where the Heritage Foundation and I could
see it. I could see it in this guy, this
President's face. He's starting to acquiesce to this. He's starting
to fold on this, and it's going to be the
death knil of the Heritage Foundation. If they decide to
(35:36):
take this route, and they decide to not deal with
this problem head on and not deal with these arguments
head on, it is going to be a problem. And
I see I think electorally, I think it's we're going
to get if this continues to go in this direction,
it is going to be an annihilation in the midterms,
and we're going to start to see Trump, you know,
go through impeachments again and potentially purp walked again if
(36:00):
it tends to go this route. I mean, the youth
are animal he did about this Israel issue. Listen to
this TPUSA event, Listen to the questioner, and then listen
to the audience's reaction to that question. When the questioner
asks Eric Trump and his wife something about Israel.
Speaker 9 (36:15):
Mister Trump, missus Trump, I'd like to ask about your
father's relationship with Israel. He's taken over two hundred and
thirty million dollars from pro Israel groups during the summer
against Iran. Even though he advised against it, Israel still
attacked Iran and the US still bombed on behalf of Israel.
(36:38):
Your father's frustrations with a Net and Yahoo have been
made clear when he cursed on national TV over the situation.
Israel has not been a great ally to the US
all the way since nineteen sixty when they bombed the
USS liberty. Israel is a nation where Christians are constantly
under attack in both Gaza and the West Bank. We
(37:01):
talk about America first and in Christians, but how can
we do this if we align ourselves with the nation
that does not do that itself.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I mean, listen to that applause. It's a major problem.
And I don't know where this goes, but I would suggest,
as we have suggested time and time again on this
is don't move towards censorship, move towards arguing with these people,
beat them in the marketplace of ideas. You do it
every day with the left, you need to do it
(37:37):
within this group on the right. You are not going
to be able to cancel them the same way that
you are able to cancel the John Birch Society back
in the seventies. You're not going to be able to
cancel them the same way that you're able to cancel
Pap bu Can. And this is not the ecosystem that
we're in right now. They will get continue to get stronger,
and you will continue to feed the conspiracy theories that
(37:59):
gave those movements, that gave the Nick Foentes and the
Graper movement wind in their sales. If you move towards censorship.
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