November 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Is MAGA dead? In Part Three, we discuss the emergence of a new "American Only" movement and the figures leading the charge. We also dig into how alternative media can reshape America's most prized free speech institution.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America. You're listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie Part three and we're looking into this question.
Is Maga dead? And I know that sounds like a
crazy question to some of you, but it's been swirling
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all over social media. A lot of people are claiming
that it's dead or taking pictures in front of the
tombstone of Maga. I will say that it's not dead.
In my opinion, I'm kind of, you know, maybe doing
a little bit of a spoiler, but it's hanging by
a thread right now. I think that if you think
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about the Tea Party movement. For those of you guys
that have been around long enough to remember the Tea Party,
it exploded onto the scene in two thousand and nine,
had an enormous several I mean enormous rallies all over
the place, kind of gave rise to Andrew Breitbart, and
you know, I remember there being a huge, huge event
in Washington, d c MC by Glenn Beck, and that
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thing seemed like it had some legs for a very
very long time. There's no more Tea Party. It's gone
and it's faded into oblivion, and it can happen to
the MAGA movement if that movement doesn't stay true to
its principles.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
All right, but MAGA is significantly bigger than the Tea
Party was. We had president elected two times on the
back of MAGA, and we have merch.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, well there was Tea Party merch too. If you
don't remember the Gadson flag that everybody was tracking around
for a while, yeah, you know, it was definitely a thing.
And there's Tea Party like chapters all over the country.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, I'm not I'm not saying that it was not
a thing. I'm not disagreeing that it was a huge movement.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
The point being is if you if you leave the
values you a movement can die. And we are seeing
some of that from President Trump right now. I think
the problem with the presidency, for any presidency, is to
get elected, you get elected by coalition. You have donors
that get on board. And I'm not even talking about
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donors in like a negative way. It's just a it's
a it's a part of the equation. You need to
have donors to win an election, and then once you
get elected, you need to fulfill your promises to those donors.
And perhaps you know there's some obligation to the big
tech bros. In regards to the H ONEB visa stuff.
(02:38):
Perhaps there's it's all part of that same conversation. When
you're talking about international students at the colleges, I think
that that is all part of that same pipeline. They
all go to the H one B after that and
rise up from there. So perhaps that's what we're seeing,
But I think it's a it's a it's a big issue.
And the other part that I see that's kind of
(03:00):
interesting right now is that so you have this fight
for the center or fight for the heart of the
right right now, and the fascinating thing about it is
it's falling along the same lines that you saw during
the MAGA coalition first coming together in twenty fifteen. It's
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the kind of neokon side, the very pro Israel side,
and then you have the side that wants to focus
on America first. And from what it appears like to
me right now, the America First side is winning because
it seems to be that they're one there being some
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of the biggest voices on the right. The people have
the biggest podcasts, that have the biggest shows, that have
the biggest megaphones have taken on this America First ideology,
and it is different than the MAGA ideology in that
I think MAGA really included with it the is the
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pro Israel stance and the pro Israel kind of faction.
And I think that initially when MAGA came together, that
was the thing that the never Trump people were so
concerned with. They didn't like Trump talking about the Middle
East the way that he was and these kinds of
never ending wars, whether it be with Iraq and what
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have you. They didn't like the way that he was
addressing that. They were concerned that he was going to
go in the direction where he was going to abandon
the Israel cause or the Israel connection with the United States,
and so they went hard. And if you look at
those those figures from back at that time, it was
Ben Shapiro who called him a tornado poop or something
(04:48):
along those lines. You had Mark Levin who compared him
to code Pink. And it's all of those same people
that were part of the Never Trump faction that have
formed on one side of this discussion. And then you
have this other side of the discussion which is now
starting to form, which is Tucker Carlson, which is now
(05:09):
Megan Kelly, is starting to enter into that space. And
you know, you can just start going down the line
and looking at these people, and it is going to
look much different than the maga of let's say twenty fifteen.
Because the people that have started to get on the
America let's call it America only side, I think that
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is kind of this new movement that is forming. It's
not like, you know, I think they called it the
alt right back in the day or the new right
it became, and the left was pretty good at characterizing
those people as white supremacists and kind of like getting
rid of that labeling. Now you have this America only
kind of mentality that's coming out of this fight. And
(05:54):
it's because it's almost like a negotiation that is happening
right now. It's like, Okay, you're not going to take
these kind of America first policies. Well, now we're going
to go America only. Then that's going to be our
starting offer. That's the deal that we're willing to sign
right now. And this is part of this negotiation. And
those people in that faction, more and more they are
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starting to speak out very vocally against Americans, of involvement
in Israel's conflicts, against involvement in foreign affairs and providing
money foreign aid to these foreign countries. And many of
the people, the biggest voices within that group are going
to have a very hard time, if ever, being able
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to come together with this kind of never Trump side
of the right right now. And you're seeing that start
to form now with the Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson side
of the wing. I thought this was an interesting interview
or interesting segment from Matt Waller who started talking about
(07:04):
this America only ideology recently. We play a clip of that.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
What we want is for someone to unashamedly and single
mindedly advocate for Americans and Americans only. We want someone
to say, you know, the only thing I care about
is helping Americans. Only people I care about in the
world are Americans. I We don't want to just hear that,
but we want to see the action taken as well.
You know, I've seen some people on social media say, hey,
it's America first, but not America only. I disagree. I
(07:32):
think it is America only. It's like I said months ago,
I consider myself an American chauvinist America first, America only
an American chauvinists, I don't care about. This is the
only thing I care about. America should be the only
thing you care about, especially as a leader of the country.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So he kind of alludes to this discussion about America
only and people being America first, but not being America
only in that kind of message being spread online. That
was something that actually Dennis Praeger discussed in a debate
with Dave Smith, and this was this segment that kind
of brought that to the four.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I did not support leaving Afghanistan because I knew the
hellhole that the Taliban would create. And I don't know
why America first means it's okay if people who want
to destroy us take over a country. I don't understand
why that's America first. And I have one other comment
on America first. I wrote a column on this and
I stand by this. This is really important morally. I
(08:28):
am America first. My life is a perfect example of
a lifetime given to defending America and American values. But
I am never and will never be America only. There
are higher values than just your country. My country is first,
but it is not the only moral question in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't think his country's first. I'm being quite honest
with you. I think Dani Sprager has Israel's way up there,
if not equal with America above America.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I think it's above.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's his main topic. It's something that he's been drilling
into the public for decades now, and for him to
claim that he's America first, I don't believe it, and
I think that the fruits of his labor kind of
bear that out. That said, he kind of tried to
push this mantra out there, America first, but not America only,
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and I think that's what Matt Walsh was alluding to there.
But I think people are just kind of fed up.
They're fed up with the way that this kind of
issue has been tackled, even by the MAGA right, even
by someone like Trump, who is arguing that we need
(09:40):
six hundred thousand international students in our colleges, who is
arguing for more h one B visas and has at
times argued for DAKA, has seemed to kind of pull
back on deportations, seems to have an administration that's focused
on the Middle East and Israel in particular, and because
(10:02):
of that, people are beginning to say, Okay, we need
to go harder now, we need to go even farther
towards America, and America only be the approach because otherwise
these politicians aren't hearing us.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Let me ask you a question, are you America first
or are you America only?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I'm America only. I mean, when it comes down if
like I said in regards to a negotiation, I would say, yes,
I am America only now because it doesn't seem like
our leaders are listening. And that doesn't mean that we
don't help our allies. It doesn't mean that we leave
our allies when they have problems or when they're in trouble.
(10:44):
But I think from as far as a negotiation standpoint goes,
we're a negotiation phase right now. Right now, there's a
almost like a knife fight for the heart of the
right right now. Go over and look at the Twitter
feeds of people like Mark Levin, of people like Seth
the owner of the Babylon PA. Look at Dave Rubin,
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look at their Twitter feeds, Look at their content. Fifty percent,
if not more, of it has some connection to Israel,
whether it's who they're attacking. Because those people are coming
out against foreign aid and against being intertwined with foreign conflicts,
or they're just being they're discussing it directly. I'm probably
being charitable by saying half it's one of their primary concerns,
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if not the primary concern. So there needs to be
a negotiation to happen. Right now, you're not listening to everybody.
We need to fix our housing affordability. We need to
fix our inflation, our crime problem, our homeless problem, our
fentanyl problem, our border issue, our illegal immigration issue. We
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need to focus on all of those topics here in
the United States. We need to bring back manufacturing here
to the United States and fill it with American workers,
not foreign nationals. And if that is the way that
you guys are going to approach handling this MAGA movement,
then we need to go into a harder negotiation and
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not be America first, but be America only, and start
it with that as a negotiation, and then from there
maybe make some concessions once we've won that fight. But
how about you America first, America only?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What do you think I think everybody listening knows I'm
an America only person.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a no brainer for me.
It's a no brainer because that is literally the reason
why nations are created. They're created to protect the people
within its boundaries, protect the citizens within its boundaries. It's
not protected to it's not created to protect some foreign
land thousands of miles away. It's the function of government.
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It's foolish to think otherwise. Now, if being involved in
foreign affairs means America only, if translate into American interests,
then yeah, sure. And by the way, I think a
lot of the times we are getting in the way
of other people's foreign actions, Like why are we getting
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in the way of Israel's actions and what they want
to do in their area? Why are we imposing ourselves? Now,
if there's an argument out there, if there is a
foreign policy argument out there for us to have a
foothold in that area, then make that argument. I haven't
been hearing this kind of never Trump faction of the
right really making that argument, because all they've been doing
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is character assassinations. All they do is call people Nazis
and call people, you know, Hitler apologists and attack them
in that way. They're not attacking the ideas. So I
would say, you know this, America only approach is definitely
growing right now. But the problem with this that's happening
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right now, as you're seeing this tribalism kick in, there's
a tribalism that's happening on the right. They're throwing blinders
onto the people around them, and they're ignoring the truth
in many respects. This really stood out in a moment
where Megan Kelly had this interview with Ben Shapiro in
(14:26):
regards to Candice Owens and Tucker Carlson, and I want
to play a clip of that here for you. Is
basically just to give you a little bit of context.
Ben Shapiro's basically making the argument that the right does
need to police some of the people that are on
the right that are making factless based claims. And this
was the exchange, you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Know, And I differ on our angle with regards to,
for example, Candie Owens. I think that what candis oons
is doing right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now is evil. It is evil what she is.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Doing right now. Okay, and I say that again, but
what because like.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I don't know pine on whether it's evil or not.
But my position is it's really none of my business and.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Why is it?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
But I have a question why is it none of
your business? I mean, you comment on these things.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
For a loot bit.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm not mother of the Internet.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
No, But if this were on the left and somebody
were accusing Charlie Kirk of his wife having murdered him,
I assume that you would be talking about it.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Is that what Candace is accusing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Erica of Yes of murdering her own husband.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
She's accusing TPUSA insiders and other members of the right wing,
including Seth Dylan, of being involved in the murder of
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes. Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Like I said, I don't take in that content, which
is an honest statement. I don't have time to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I believe you.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
But the point that I'm making is that one friendship
should not in our business. I think it's important. Listen,
friendship should not trump. We don't even know, I understand,
but even with Tucker, friendship should not trump. Are manifest
requirement to speak out when people do and say things
that are both detrimental to conservatism and morally WRONGNG Okay,
So I.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Don't totally disagree, but I think the way of handling that,
at least for me, is much different.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But that was such a cop out. For her to
claim that she's not the mother of the Internet and
that she's not watching all of this content and she's
not checking everything out. It's a dereliction of duty. Let's
put it that way. Let's give her as much grace
as possible. But for her to claim that she does
not know what Candace Owens is doing in regards to
Charlie Kirk's death and her quote unquote investigation is I
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feel if she is not aware of that, then she
is not doing her job. She comments on Megan Markle
and makes comments about various people on the left every
time they make a misstep, anytime that they say something
that she doesn't like. Sometimes she'll take the most uncharitable
interpretation of what they have to say. You have to
have blinders on to not know what Candace Owens is
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doing right now with the Charlie Kirk thing. This is
my opinion on the Candace Owens thing. She has thrown
out all of these ideas and all of these questions,
but she has yet to provide a cohesive theory as
to how they all fit together. I hate to say this,
but she is driving me to agree with Ben Shapiro
(17:09):
in that clip right there, Ben Shapiro is right there.
What she is doing is evil. And the people on
the right, like Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they don't
need to attack Candice, but they should be pointing her
in the right direction and telling her, you're making mistakes here,
that making us all look bad. She's making horrendous mistakes.
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And some would even say that she's lying at times,
because she's lying by omission. But the point that I'm
trying to make here is is that what's happening right
now with Megan Kelly is she's aligning right now with
the Tucker Carlson side. She's starting to move in that direction.
And when you do that, when you start to align
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with these kinds of tribal groups, when you're a figure
like her, you start to look away when some people
within that group, within that faction art to make bad mistakes.
I don't even think Candace is conservative. I don't even
think she's on the right anymore. I think that she
is for Candace. She's not for anyone but Candace. And
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this Charlie Kirk quote unquote investigation, which is the most
retarded investigation I've ever seen anyone make It is about
driving traffic to her and driving attention to her. It's
also about spite. It's also about anger towards some of
the internal groups within TPUSA that blocked her out of
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that group. For so long they gate keeped her out,
she felt like pushed out of the conservative movement. I
think there's a lot of things going on with the
Candace thing, but the thing that isn't going on with
it is a search for the truth. I've seen mistake
after mistake after mistake, and you guys know us, we
are not afraid to push buttons when it comes to
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whether something lands on the right or the left. We
took massive hits for going after Tim Ballard, and we
kept pushing and pushing and pushing because that's what the
evidence showed. But she's not showing evidence that it's showing
anyone else but Tyler Robinson as the killer. The way
that this tribalism that is coming together, we're seeing it
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break down, the search for the truth. You have Tucker
Carlson that also came forward and said that he was
not going to attack a Candace and that he loved her.
And I think because there's some pressure on these people
to speak out about what she is doing because her
journalism is so flawed and so sloppy. Well you have now,
(19:45):
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segment where he basically accused Candace of accusing Erica Kirk
of being involved in Charlie Kirk's murder, Megan Kelly came
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We're talking about this America only movement that seems to
be growing out of the MAGA movement and the factions
that it's creating, and the tribalism that it's creating, and
(21:54):
how truth is falling to the waistside. So Ben Shapiro,
in this interview with Megan Kelly, calls out Megan Kelly
I think in a very effective way, saying that what
are you talking about, Megan Kelly, what do you mean
that you can't comment on Candace Owens' approach with this investigation,
(22:17):
this quote unquote investigation of Charlie Kirk's murderers. That's what
you do for a living, is you comment on people.
I mean, you guys go after Cardi b for a
stupid lyrics that she She says, you're not going to
go after Candace Owens for implicating TPUSA in the murder
of their founder. And so he calls her out and
(22:38):
says effectively that Candace Owens is accusing Erica Kirk of
being involved in Charlie Kirk's murder. Well, Megan comes forward
after that and claims that Ben Shapiro was wrong, and
this is what Megan had to say.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
He said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was
behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard,
and I was taken aback because that seems like something
I would have heard. It's so crazy, and I have
since learned it is not true. Candace has not made
that claim, and in fact, I've now seen several clips
of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would
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never make a claim like that about Erica and that
she you know, she is open minded to other people.
At turning point, that's obvious she's been making that point.
I had heard that point.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
That, but she has.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
But she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been
saying she does not think that of Erica. And in fact,
if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make
comments about Erica, and so far, what I've seen, she hasn't.
So thank you for that question.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, she's been under pressure to make accusations at Erica
Kirk because of the reporting and the content that Candace
Owen has been putting out there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, she herself has been putty.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yes, that is why her her audience is pressuring her
because they want her to make a direct and explicit
claim towards Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But all you they're just asking questions.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, they're just asking questions exactly. I want to play
this clip for you. It's from milk Bar TV put
together this compilation of Candace Owens discussing this Charlie Kirk investigation,
her Charlie Kirk investigation and I want to get your guys'
feel as to whether it seems like Candace Owens is
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suggesting that Erica Kirk was involved in the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, her.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Husband realizing that nothing in Charlie's life was real. It's
just something that keeps me up at night. Just nothing
in his life was real. Like everyone's just like, oh,
let's just move on. It's so crazy to want to
figure out what happens. Let's just start issuing gag orders.
And the way to honor him is to give money.
I don't know, there's just something really sick and demonic
(24:54):
about the entire thing. It's looking to me like the
apparent plan was to assassinate Charlie Kirk, who had at
long last faltered on the pro Israel cause. Okay, his words,
not mine, and then to stage a hostile takeover of
his brand and of his legacy, Turning Point USA, the
conservative grassroots organization co founded by Kirk, announcing his widow, Erica,
(25:18):
will take over as the group's CEO. There's two things
happening here. There's a widow, and then there is the
chairman and the CEO, and she has assumed that role. Okay,
so criticism is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA
that are being directed at Erica are fair. Yeah, I'm
putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning
Point because I am disgusted. I am genuinely disgusted. I
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am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was
the Truman Show. None of you guys are behaving in
the way that you should be behaving. But I'm starting
to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something
akin to a regicide, right, the assassination of a king
to install a new ruler who the king would have
never approved of.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The person that was installed as that new ruler was
Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's wife. By the way, if I'm
ever assassinated and Adriana takes over here at red pilled America,
please don't accuse her of assassinating me. Okay, let's go
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on with this.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He left me a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
This is Erica Kirk talking about Charlie Kirk leaving her
a blueprint for Turning Point USA and.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
All of his journals.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
But more so than that, I was his bulb.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For literally every time he shared everyanking with me, his vision.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
His dreams.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
In the event of his untimely death, like you know,
in the third notebook, he was like, oh, and if
I accidentally get shot on campus, here's what you should do.
Call aericub and then after you call Erica, come find
this notebook and his notebook. You'll see that I am
using adjectives like fantastic and heroic to describe Mikey McCoy
and my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy.
Why are you doing that? Why do I feel like
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you're trying to program me? And if during this process
of our imagination, common sense comes on and we're like, oh,
but wait, Charlie. Wasn't he like a boy genius. He's
a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized that
succession plan outside of like a diary, Maybe call one
(27:26):
of his many lawyers, maybe formalize it in a will,
because that's what you're supposed to do if you are
thinking about dying and you need to make a plan,
you make a will. I'm sure he had a will,
but no, he wanted to put it in these notebooks.
And then the plan was to guilt us I think
to try to haunt us with the ghost of Charlie's
notebooks that were never going to be allowed to read,
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but we're supposed to accept that they most definitely read,
like for sure, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I am so that is right there. I mean, she's
basically criticizing the succession of Erica Kirk. She first makes
the claim that Charlie Kirk was assassinated and they were
going to replace him with somebody, and then she goes
into this whole argument about the fact that he would
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probably create a will for his succession. That she is
insinuating that the journals are false or fabricated, and that
Erica Kirk by extension, would be part of that fabrication.
You have to be a complete moron to not see
what it is that she's trying to say. Here. Okay,
(28:41):
she goes.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
On, I'm told that these people believe the official narrative
loan shooter, no one else involved, just a crazy guy
with too many pronouns in his bio.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
To have seen the autopsy report, to have seen the different.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Evidence portions that have been collect Did.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I trust her?
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Tore Hey nineteen sixty three called and they want their narrative. Back,
all that's missing from the story is a grassy knoll, right,
she neede the grassy knoll? Anyways, back at headquarters, I
am told it's business as usual, and it's kind of
giving me like, I don't know LBJ when it gets
sworn in in that famous picture unfortunately sworn in. Unfortunately,
(29:29):
of course he's sad in this Photoh gosh, she's obviously
not wanting to be the president of United States. JFK
was shot and killed, and now LBJ has to step up. Unfortunately.
I gotta be honest, I wasn't there. I don't think
LBJ was actually that upset.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, So does that sound to me like, okay, that
is the per Erica Kirk is the one that took
over for Charlie Kirk. So in this analogy that she's making,
she's making the analogy that Erica Kirk is l b
J and that JFK is Charlie Kirk. Am I nuts
to think that that that that's the analogy. Sure it
(30:10):
sounds sure sounds like it. Yeah, she goes on, I
don't know why.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Vibes. The vibes just aren't vibing for me in that picture.
But maybe maybe he was. Maybe the truth is that
LBJ simply use an expression, had his wits about him.
It becomes clearer and clearer. It just screams at me
that this was an inside job.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, all right, So that is a very skilled, very
sophisticated approach to what she is trying to execute on
her shows on a daily basis, which is introduce all
of this doubt, constantly introduced doubt, don't come together with
(30:56):
any kind of like solid evidence that backs up a
theory that she hasn't even really quite spelled out yet,
because all it is is just a bunch of just
random things thrown out there as much doubt as you
could possibly plant a seed on, never cohesively putting it
all together and coming up with evidence to make an argument.
(31:17):
It sure sounds like to me that she is insinuating
or suggesting that Erica Kirk was somehow involved in the
death of Charlie Kirk, or is somehow maybe not involved
in a premature way, but in an aftermath way. Okay,
So for Megan Kelly to come forward and say that
(31:39):
Ben Shapiro got it wrong, everybody on this that's ever
listened to this show knows that we are not huge
fans of Ben Shapiro. We did an eight part series
between the fight between Candie Owans and Ben Shapiro where
people called us anti Semitic and people called it basically
a defense of Candie Owans. All right, So we are
(32:02):
not huge fans of Ben Shapiro. But at the end
of the day, when he was discussing there in regards
to her approach to this investigation and pulling Erica Kirk
into it and implicating Erica Kirk in some way in
the cover up of the real murders behind Charlie Kirk.
That is what I am grabbing from her content that
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she's putting out there.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I'm just not sure how you could grab anything else.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know, And I'm just asking questions now, obviously, But
she's very sophisticated at this, and she's pulling these people
into this true crime web that somehow Trump and Trump's
FBI is implicated in this thing. And that's been her approach.
(32:47):
And for Megan to come forward and somehow fact check
Ben Shapiro and not go through and try to pull
up some of this other information that Candice has been
putting out there that implicates Charlie's wife all of this,
and of course they're not going through and looking at
(33:07):
the many falsehoods that Candice has put out in regard
to this investigation, like claiming that Tyler Robinson didn't use
the word vehicle, he used the word car using a
bodycam video to make that determination. To somehow claim that
the FBI fabricated the text messages between himself and his
(33:30):
gay lover. To make that claim, she had to cut
off the word vehicle that Tyler Robinson used Later in
the bodycam video, she misread the time of a plane
landing in Utah, thinking that it was Utah time, which
it wasn't, and completely through her theory out the door.
(33:52):
Yet she wouldn't leave it. She claimed that she read
chats that were text messages, but she thought that they
were discord chats, and she said in an interview with CNN,
CNN said, oh wait a minute, those weren't discord chats,
those were text message chats, and she said, no, I
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read the indictment and it wasn't I didn't read text messages.
You open up the indictment and it says straight out
that it was text messages. She goes after the FBI
for not including time stamps in the text messages. Then
she releases text messages between her and Charlie Kirk that
don't have a time stamp. She gives no grace to
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Trump's FBI, but she wants all of the grace that
you could muster up for her evidence that she provides. Okay,
I mean, the list just goes on and on and on.
She's claimed TPUUSA lied about Charlie Kirk being an evangelical
Christian the day that he was murdered. He claimed to
(34:55):
be an evangelical Christian the very same day that he
was murdered. Okay, but she uses I don't know, handwaving
and some previous texts or something that she got behind
the scenes or sources on both sides that she uses
to make that claim. I mean, the list goes on
and on. She accuses Josh Hammer, who actually seems kind
(35:17):
of like not a great guy, of having foreign knowledge
of Charlie Kirk's of his murder, of his assassination based
on a tweet that he put out there about the
woman Ukrainian refugee that was stabbed in the neck. That
was the tweet that he put out there. He wanted
to see public executions because of that woman getting stabbed
(35:38):
in the neck. She takes that tweet and places it
in the Charlie Kirk investigation as if that is evidence
that he had for knowledge of that execution. It just
goes on and on and on, and this is the
problem here. Candace has become what she hates. She has
allowed the unjust attacks that happened on her early in
(36:01):
her career to make her and mold her into what
she hates. When we did that Family Feud series between
her and Ben Shapiro, we made the argument that she
was unjustly attacked by talking about nationalism and equating the
negative view of that word nationalism to Hitler's use of
(36:25):
that word, and that that is why the word nationalism
has a negative connotation in the United States. She was
attacked by Israeli groups and by Jewish groups, and I
felt like it was completely unjustly attacked. She was fearing
for her career and those attacks were kind of always
there hovering over her, and she allowed that war that
(36:51):
she was having with those people to turn her into
something that is kind of unrecognizable compared to the Candae
from her quote unquote conservative days. She's now going on
these investigations that are some of the most sloppiest investigations
that I've ever seen, and people are eating it up.
(37:14):
You have people in comment sections constantly saying that she's
onto something, that she's exposing the lies, but nothing has
been exposed because there's not even a theory as to
who did this, a cohesive theory that she is bringing
up to the masses. You know why people don't do that,
It's because you can judge that later. It's much easier
(37:36):
to just seed the public with doubt in as many
different ways that you possibly can, rather than to offer
up something that is solid that can be analyzed at
a later timeframe. We did that when we went into
the Tim Ballard investigation. We investigated everything, We pulled court documents,
(37:59):
we did fois to pull out his old investigation that
he authored. We went and got Colombian depositions from court cases,
and we brought forward a theory as to his mode
of operation and what he did in such a way
that it can be attacked by people, or analyzed by
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people or broken apart. She's not doing that. All she's
doing is is putting out suggestions and completely muddying the water.
And if she doesn't, she isn't careful, She's going to
get this Tyler Robinson guy off. This is the problem
with conservative media right now, because the whole justification for
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the existence of conservative media is to right the wrongs
of legacy media, the lies that legacy media has been
getting away with now for decades. We want to revitalize
the media institution. It's important, it's vital to American survival
to have a functioning media invironment.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
But what we're.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Replacing it with is all these conspiracy theory purveyors and promoters.
They're literally making the case for our future censorship. So
if people like Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, who are
at the pinnacle of conservative and pinnacle of alternative media,
if they're not calling out these major, major mistakes, they're
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setting us all up to be censored when the left
gets controlled again, and they will get in control again
because you have these wacky theories that are going out
there that are destroying the credibility of not just the
legacy media, but also alternative media. Now, we need to
build a media ecosystem of trusted voices, and when you
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have people like Megan Kelly and Tuckle Car Carlson that
are unwilling to go at somebody like Candace and they
don't have to attack her. Just correct the record on
the horrendous investigation that she's putting out there. Just correct
the record, because you're making us look stupid by not
doing that. But unfortunately we have these people that are
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at the pinnacle of conservative media that they aren't really trustworthy.
Let's just get down to it. I like Tucker Carlson.
I've always enjoyed him. He's probably my favorite mainstream conservative
media talking head. Megan Kelly, I think she's a gifted broadcaster,
but she goes wherever the wind blows. Okay, we've seen
(40:33):
that time and time again. From twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen,
she went from conservative to liberal back to conservative. That's
not natural. And let me give you a perfect example
of that. This is Megan Kelly in a segment when
she was at NBC in twenty eighteen promoting trans kids.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Well, the people with me on stage right now are
all transgender kids who want others to know it is
possible to transition socially with love and support and acceptance
within a family and a community, Please welcome sixteen year
old Nicole, twelve year old Daniel, fourteen year old Jia,
fifteen year old Landon.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So these are a bunch of kids that have transitioned,
and she does this whole segment on the importance of
being who you are and what have you. Now, people
will come forward and say, oh, well, she's She came
forward later and said she had a change of opinion
on this. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. I've seen
her flow with the wind whenever it benefits her career.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, because, by the way, when she was talking about
this at the time, this was already on the radar
of many people. In fact, we were doing a show
at that same point in time with Walt Hayre about
the problem with this ideology exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So for her to claim, for people to claim that
she is somehow evolved from this time, oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
A different time. She knows better now, She's so sorry. No, no, no,
she goes where the wind blows. And that is a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
And we saw that when she did that with Trump
back in the day, within the twenty fifteen debate, she
became part of that never Trump movement. She was literally
the leading voice on Fox News for the never trumpers.
She would constantly have on Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields,
who was attacking the Trump campaign for some kind of
(42:25):
a physical assault that turned out to be retarded if
you actually saw the video. She was the lead champion
behind that. She became a feminist when she went over
to NBC because that benefited her career. She goes wherever
the wind takes her. She came over to back over
to Trump when she got booted out of NBC to
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be part of the Maga movement, and now that it's
kind of within social media and it's in the air
to be anti Israel. Now she's starting to incorporate some
of those topics within her content because that's what she does.
She was a feminist at NBC.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
The time has come. The time has come. We are
in the middle of an empowerment revolution in this country,
and the only way forward is for women to get comfortable,
get comfortable throwing some sharp elbows, making waves and taking
risks and holding the powerful account.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
She goes from a lefty feminist on NBC to promoting
Pete Hegseth into Trump's cabinet. Pete hegg Seth who is
sleeping around with any woman.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Well, his wife was pregnant, yes, yes, so.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
His future wife was pregnant. She will go wherever it
benefits her career.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I mean, but here's the thing. She's gotten rich doing it.
Apparently it pays. It pays to be a liar, It
pays to you know, go wherever the wind takes you,
wherever it's popular. And you know, I'm over here telling
the truth. And can you guys buy a coffee mug?
What the hell?
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Bye everyone,
This is Red Pilled America. You're listening to Red Pilled
America's fam Boogie Part three and we're looking into this question.
Is Maga dead? And I know that sounds like a
crazy question to some of you, but it's been swirling
(00:24):
all over social media. A lot of people are claiming
that it's dead or taking pictures in front of the
tombstone of Maga. I will say that it's not dead.
In my opinion, I'm kind of, you know, maybe doing
a little bit of a spoiler, but it's hanging by
a thread right now. I think that if you think
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about the Tea Party movement. For those of you guys
that have been around long enough to remember the Tea Party,
it exploded onto the scene in two thousand and nine,
had an enormous several I mean enormous rallies all over
the place, kind of gave rise to Andrew Breitbart, and
you know, I remember there being a huge, huge event
in Washington, d c MC by Glenn Beck, and that
(01:11):
thing seemed like it had some legs for a very
very long time. There's no more Tea Party. It's gone
and it's faded into oblivion, and it can happen to
the MAGA movement if that movement doesn't stay true to
its principles.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
All right, but MAGA is significantly bigger than the Tea
Party was. We had president elected two times on the
back of MAGA, and we have merch.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, well there was Tea Party merch too. If you
don't remember the Gadson flag that everybody was tracking around
for a while, yeah, you know, it was definitely a thing.
And there's Tea Party like chapters all over the country.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, I'm not I'm not saying that it was not
a thing. I'm not disagreeing that it was a huge movement.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
The point being is if you if you leave the
values you a movement can die. And we are seeing
some of that from President Trump right now. I think
the problem with the presidency, for any presidency, is to
get elected, you get elected by coalition. You have donors
that get on board. And I'm not even talking about
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donors in like a negative way. It's just a it's
a it's a part of the equation. You need to
have donors to win an election, and then once you
get elected, you need to fulfill your promises to those donors.
And perhaps you know there's some obligation to the big
tech bros. In regards to the H ONEB visa stuff.
(02:38):
Perhaps there's it's all part of that same conversation. When
you're talking about international students at the colleges, I think
that that is all part of that same pipeline. They
all go to the H one B after that and
rise up from there. So perhaps that's what we're seeing,
But I think it's a it's a it's a big issue.
And the other part that I see that's kind of
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interesting right now is that so you have this fight
for the center or fight for the heart of the
right right now, and the fascinating thing about it is
it's falling along the same lines that you saw during
the MAGA coalition first coming together in twenty fifteen. It's
(03:20):
the kind of neokon side, the very pro Israel side,
and then you have the side that wants to focus
on America first. And from what it appears like to
me right now, the America First side is winning because
it seems to be that they're one there being some
(03:41):
of the biggest voices on the right. The people have
the biggest podcasts, that have the biggest shows, that have
the biggest megaphones have taken on this America First ideology,
and it is different than the MAGA ideology in that
I think MAGA really included with it the is the
(04:03):
pro Israel stance and the pro Israel kind of faction.
And I think that initially when MAGA came together, that
was the thing that the never Trump people were so
concerned with. They didn't like Trump talking about the Middle
East the way that he was and these kinds of
never ending wars, whether it be with Iraq and what
(04:24):
have you. They didn't like the way that he was
addressing that. They were concerned that he was going to
go in the direction where he was going to abandon
the Israel cause or the Israel connection with the United States,
and so they went hard. And if you look at
those those figures from back at that time, it was
Ben Shapiro who called him a tornado poop or something
(04:48):
along those lines. You had Mark Levin who compared him
to code Pink. And it's all of those same people
that were part of the Never Trump faction that have
formed on one side of this discussion. And then you
have this other side of the discussion which is now
starting to form, which is Tucker Carlson, which is now
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Megan Kelly, is starting to enter into that space. And
you know, you can just start going down the line
and looking at these people, and it is going to
look much different than the maga of let's say twenty fifteen.
Because the people that have started to get on the
America let's call it America only side, I think that
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is kind of this new movement that is forming. It's
not like, you know, I think they called it the
alt right back in the day or the new right
it became, and the left was pretty good at characterizing
those people as white supremacists and kind of like getting
rid of that labeling. Now you have this America only
kind of mentality that's coming out of this fight. And
(05:54):
it's because it's almost like a negotiation that is happening
right now. It's like, Okay, you're not going to take
these kind of America first policies. Well, now we're going
to go America only. Then that's going to be our
starting offer. That's the deal that we're willing to sign
right now. And this is part of this negotiation. And
those people in that faction, more and more they are
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starting to speak out very vocally against Americans, of involvement
in Israel's conflicts, against involvement in foreign affairs and providing
money foreign aid to these foreign countries. And many of
the people, the biggest voices within that group are going
to have a very hard time, if ever, being able
(06:42):
to come together with this kind of never Trump side
of the right right now. And you're seeing that start
to form now with the Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson side
of the wing. I thought this was an interesting interview
or interesting segment from Matt Waller who started talking about
(07:04):
this America only ideology recently. We play a clip of that.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
What we want is for someone to unashamedly and single
mindedly advocate for Americans and Americans only. We want someone
to say, you know, the only thing I care about
is helping Americans. Only people I care about in the
world are Americans. I We don't want to just hear that,
but we want to see the action taken as well.
You know, I've seen some people on social media say, hey,
it's America first, but not America only. I disagree. I
(07:32):
think it is America only. It's like I said months ago,
I consider myself an American chauvinist America first, America only
an American chauvinists, I don't care about. This is the
only thing I care about. America should be the only
thing you care about, especially as a leader of the country.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So he kind of alludes to this discussion about America
only and people being America first, but not being America
only in that kind of message being spread online. That
was something that actually Dennis Praeger discussed in a debate
with Dave Smith, and this was this segment that kind
of brought that to the four.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I did not support leaving Afghanistan because I knew the
hellhole that the Taliban would create. And I don't know
why America first means it's okay if people who want
to destroy us take over a country. I don't understand
why that's America first. And I have one other comment
on America first. I wrote a column on this and
I stand by this. This is really important morally. I
(08:28):
am America first. My life is a perfect example of
a lifetime given to defending America and American values. But
I am never and will never be America only. There
are higher values than just your country. My country is first,
but it is not the only moral question in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I don't think his country's first. I'm being quite honest
with you. I think Dani Sprager has Israel's way up there,
if not equal with America above America.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I think it's above.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's his main topic. It's something that he's been drilling
into the public for decades now, and for him to
claim that he's America first, I don't believe it, and
I think that the fruits of his labor kind of
bear that out. That said, he kind of tried to
push this mantra out there, America first, but not America only,
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and I think that's what Matt Walsh was alluding to there.
But I think people are just kind of fed up.
They're fed up with the way that this kind of
issue has been tackled, even by the MAGA right, even
by someone like Trump, who is arguing that we need
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six hundred thousand international students in our colleges, who is
arguing for more h one B visas and has at
times argued for DAKA, has seemed to kind of pull
back on deportations, seems to have an administration that's focused
on the Middle East and Israel in particular, and because
(10:02):
of that, people are beginning to say, Okay, we need
to go harder now, we need to go even farther
towards America, and America only be the approach because otherwise
these politicians aren't hearing us.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Let me ask you a question, are you America first
or are you America only?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I'm America only. I mean, when it comes down if
like I said in regards to a negotiation, I would say, yes,
I am America only now because it doesn't seem like
our leaders are listening. And that doesn't mean that we
don't help our allies. It doesn't mean that we leave
our allies when they have problems or when they're in trouble.
(10:44):
But I think from as far as a negotiation standpoint goes,
we're a negotiation phase right now. Right now, there's a
almost like a knife fight for the heart of the
right right now. Go over and look at the Twitter
feeds of people like Mark Levin, of people like Seth
the owner of the Babylon PA. Look at Dave Rubin,
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look at their Twitter feeds, Look at their content. Fifty percent,
if not more, of it has some connection to Israel,
whether it's who they're attacking. Because those people are coming
out against foreign aid and against being intertwined with foreign conflicts,
or they're just being they're discussing it directly. I'm probably
being charitable by saying half it's one of their primary concerns,
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if not the primary concern. So there needs to be
a negotiation to happen. Right now, you're not listening to everybody.
We need to fix our housing affordability. We need to
fix our inflation, our crime problem, our homeless problem, our
fentanyl problem, our border issue, our illegal immigration issue. We
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need to focus on all of those topics here in
the United States. We need to bring back manufacturing here
to the United States and fill it with American workers,
not foreign nationals. And if that is the way that
you guys are going to approach handling this MAGA movement,
then we need to go into a harder negotiation and
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not be America first, but be America only, and start
it with that as a negotiation, and then from there
maybe make some concessions once we've won that fight. But
how about you America first, America only?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What do you think I think everybody listening knows I'm
an America only person.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a no brainer for me.
It's a no brainer because that is literally the reason
why nations are created. They're created to protect the people
within its boundaries, protect the citizens within its boundaries. It's
not protected to it's not created to protect some foreign
land thousands of miles away. It's the function of government.
(12:56):
It's foolish to think otherwise. Now, if being involved in
foreign affairs means America only, if translate into American interests,
then yeah, sure. And by the way, I think a
lot of the times we are getting in the way
of other people's foreign actions, Like why are we getting
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in the way of Israel's actions and what they want
to do in their area? Why are we imposing ourselves? Now,
if there's an argument out there, if there is a
foreign policy argument out there for us to have a
foothold in that area, then make that argument. I haven't
been hearing this kind of never Trump faction of the
right really making that argument, because all they've been doing
(13:41):
is character assassinations. All they do is call people Nazis
and call people, you know, Hitler apologists and attack them
in that way. They're not attacking the ideas. So I
would say, you know this, America only approach is definitely
growing right now. But the problem with this that's happening
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right now, as you're seeing this tribalism kick in, there's
a tribalism that's happening on the right. They're throwing blinders
onto the people around them, and they're ignoring the truth
in many respects. This really stood out in a moment
where Megan Kelly had this interview with Ben Shapiro in
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regards to Candice Owens and Tucker Carlson, and I want
to play a clip of that here for you. Is
basically just to give you a little bit of context.
Ben Shapiro's basically making the argument that the right does
need to police some of the people that are on
the right that are making factless based claims. And this
was the exchange, you.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Know, And I differ on our angle with regards to,
for example, Candie Owens. I think that what candis oons
is doing right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now is evil. It is evil what she is.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Doing right now. Okay, and I say that again, but
what because like.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
I don't know pine on whether it's evil or not.
But my position is it's really none of my business and.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Why is it?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
But I have a question why is it none of
your business? I mean, you comment on these things.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
For a loot bit.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm not mother of the Internet.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
No, But if this were on the left and somebody
were accusing Charlie Kirk of his wife having murdered him,
I assume that you would be talking about it.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Is that what Candace is accusing.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Erica of Yes of murdering her own husband.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
She's accusing TPUSA insiders and other members of the right wing,
including Seth Dylan, of being involved in the murder of
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yes. Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Like I said, I don't take in that content, which
is an honest statement. I don't have time to watch.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I believe you.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I believe you.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
But the point that I'm making is that one friendship
should not in our business. I think it's important. Listen,
friendship should not trump. We don't even know, I understand,
but even with Tucker, friendship should not trump. Are manifest
requirement to speak out when people do and say things
that are both detrimental to conservatism and morally WRONGNG Okay,
So I.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Don't totally disagree, but I think the way of handling that,
at least for me, is much different.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But that was such a cop out. For her to
claim that she's not the mother of the Internet and
that she's not watching all of this content and she's
not checking everything out. It's a dereliction of duty. Let's
put it that way. Let's give her as much grace
as possible. But for her to claim that she does
not know what Candace Owens is doing in regards to
Charlie Kirk's death and her quote unquote investigation is I
(16:25):
feel if she is not aware of that, then she
is not doing her job. She comments on Megan Markle
and makes comments about various people on the left every
time they make a misstep, anytime that they say something
that she doesn't like. Sometimes she'll take the most uncharitable
interpretation of what they have to say. You have to
have blinders on to not know what Candace Owens is
(16:48):
doing right now with the Charlie Kirk thing. This is
my opinion on the Candace Owens thing. She has thrown
out all of these ideas and all of these questions,
but she has yet to provide a cohesive theory as
to how they all fit together. I hate to say this,
but she is driving me to agree with Ben Shapiro
(17:09):
in that clip right there, Ben Shapiro is right there.
What she is doing is evil. And the people on
the right, like Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they don't
need to attack Candice, but they should be pointing her
in the right direction and telling her, you're making mistakes here,
that making us all look bad. She's making horrendous mistakes.
(17:30):
And some would even say that she's lying at times,
because she's lying by omission. But the point that I'm
trying to make here is is that what's happening right
now with Megan Kelly is she's aligning right now with
the Tucker Carlson side. She's starting to move in that direction.
And when you do that, when you start to align
(17:52):
with these kinds of tribal groups, when you're a figure
like her, you start to look away when some people
within that group, within that faction art to make bad mistakes.
I don't even think Candace is conservative. I don't even
think she's on the right anymore. I think that she
is for Candace. She's not for anyone but Candace. And
(18:17):
this Charlie Kirk quote unquote investigation, which is the most
retarded investigation I've ever seen anyone make It is about
driving traffic to her and driving attention to her. It's
also about spite. It's also about anger towards some of
the internal groups within TPUSA that blocked her out of
(18:37):
that group. For so long they gate keeped her out,
she felt like pushed out of the conservative movement. I
think there's a lot of things going on with the
Candace thing, but the thing that isn't going on with
it is a search for the truth. I've seen mistake
after mistake after mistake, and you guys know us, we
are not afraid to push buttons when it comes to
(18:58):
whether something lands on the right or the left. We
took massive hits for going after Tim Ballard, and we
kept pushing and pushing and pushing because that's what the
evidence showed. But she's not showing evidence that it's showing
anyone else but Tyler Robinson as the killer. The way
that this tribalism that is coming together, we're seeing it
(19:19):
break down, the search for the truth. You have Tucker
Carlson that also came forward and said that he was
not going to attack a Candace and that he loved her.
And I think because there's some pressure on these people
to speak out about what she is doing because her
journalism is so flawed and so sloppy. Well you have now,
(19:45):
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We're talking about this America only movement that seems to
be growing out of the MAGA movement and the factions
that it's creating, and the tribalism that it's creating, and
(21:54):
how truth is falling to the waistside. So Ben Shapiro,
in this interview with Megan Kelly, calls out Megan Kelly
I think in a very effective way, saying that what
are you talking about, Megan Kelly, what do you mean
that you can't comment on Candace Owens' approach with this investigation,
(22:17):
this quote unquote investigation of Charlie Kirk's murderers. That's what
you do for a living, is you comment on people.
I mean, you guys go after Cardi b for a
stupid lyrics that she She says, you're not going to
go after Candace Owens for implicating TPUSA in the murder
of their founder. And so he calls her out and
(22:38):
says effectively that Candace Owens is accusing Erica Kirk of
being involved in Charlie Kirk's murder. Well, Megan comes forward
after that and claims that Ben Shapiro was wrong, and
this is what Megan had to say.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
He said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was
behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard,
and I was taken aback because that seems like something
I would have heard. It's so crazy, and I have
since learned it is not true. Candace has not made
that claim, and in fact, I've now seen several clips
of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would
(23:16):
never make a claim like that about Erica and that
she you know, she is open minded to other people.
At turning point, that's obvious she's been making that point.
I had heard that point.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
That, but she has.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
But she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been
saying she does not think that of Erica. And in fact,
if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make
comments about Erica, and so far, what I've seen, she hasn't.
So thank you for that question.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, she's been under pressure to make accusations at Erica
Kirk because of the reporting and the content that Candace
Owen has been putting out there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, she herself has been putty.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yes, that is why her her audience is pressuring her
because they want her to make a direct and explicit
claim towards Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
But all you they're just asking questions.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, they're just asking questions exactly. I want to play
this clip for you. It's from milk Bar TV put
together this compilation of Candace Owens discussing this Charlie Kirk investigation,
her Charlie Kirk investigation and I want to get your guys'
feel as to whether it seems like Candace Owens is
(24:25):
suggesting that Erica Kirk was involved in the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, her.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Husband realizing that nothing in Charlie's life was real. It's
just something that keeps me up at night. Just nothing
in his life was real. Like everyone's just like, oh,
let's just move on. It's so crazy to want to
figure out what happens. Let's just start issuing gag orders.
And the way to honor him is to give money.
I don't know, there's just something really sick and demonic
(24:54):
about the entire thing. It's looking to me like the
apparent plan was to assassinate Charlie Kirk, who had at
long last faltered on the pro Israel cause. Okay, his words,
not mine, and then to stage a hostile takeover of
his brand and of his legacy, Turning Point USA, the
conservative grassroots organization co founded by Kirk, announcing his widow, Erica,
(25:18):
will take over as the group's CEO. There's two things
happening here. There's a widow, and then there is the
chairman and the CEO, and she has assumed that role. Okay,
so criticism is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA
that are being directed at Erica are fair. Yeah, I'm
putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning
Point because I am disgusted. I am genuinely disgusted. I
(25:42):
am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was
the Truman Show. None of you guys are behaving in
the way that you should be behaving. But I'm starting
to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something
akin to a regicide, right, the assassination of a king
to install a new ruler who the king would have
never approved of.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
The person that was installed as that new ruler was
Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's wife. By the way, if I'm
ever assassinated and Adriana takes over here at red pilled America,
please don't accuse her of assassinating me. Okay, let's go
(26:25):
on with this.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
He left me a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
This is Erica Kirk talking about Charlie Kirk leaving her
a blueprint for Turning Point USA and.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
All of his journals.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
But more so than that, I was his bulb.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For literally every time he shared everyanking with me, his vision.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
His dreams.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
In the event of his untimely death, like you know,
in the third notebook, he was like, oh, and if
I accidentally get shot on campus, here's what you should do.
Call aericub and then after you call Erica, come find
this notebook and his notebook. You'll see that I am
using adjectives like fantastic and heroic to describe Mikey McCoy
and my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy.
Why are you doing that? Why do I feel like
(27:06):
you're trying to program me? And if during this process
of our imagination, common sense comes on and we're like, oh,
but wait, Charlie. Wasn't he like a boy genius. He's
a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized that
succession plan outside of like a diary, Maybe call one
(27:26):
of his many lawyers, maybe formalize it in a will,
because that's what you're supposed to do if you are
thinking about dying and you need to make a plan,
you make a will. I'm sure he had a will,
but no, he wanted to put it in these notebooks.
And then the plan was to guilt us I think
to try to haunt us with the ghost of Charlie's
notebooks that were never going to be allowed to read,
(27:48):
but we're supposed to accept that they most definitely read,
like for sure, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I am so that is right there. I mean, she's
basically criticizing the succession of Erica Kirk. She first makes
the claim that Charlie Kirk was assassinated and they were
going to replace him with somebody, and then she goes
into this whole argument about the fact that he would
(28:17):
probably create a will for his succession. That she is
insinuating that the journals are false or fabricated, and that
Erica Kirk by extension, would be part of that fabrication.
You have to be a complete moron to not see
what it is that she's trying to say. Here. Okay,
(28:41):
she goes.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
On, I'm told that these people believe the official narrative
loan shooter, no one else involved, just a crazy guy
with too many pronouns in his bio.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
To have seen the autopsy report, to have seen the different.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Evidence portions that have been collect Did.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I trust her?
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Tore Hey nineteen sixty three called and they want their narrative. Back,
all that's missing from the story is a grassy knoll, right,
she neede the grassy knoll? Anyways, back at headquarters, I
am told it's business as usual, and it's kind of
giving me like, I don't know LBJ when it gets
sworn in in that famous picture unfortunately sworn in. Unfortunately,
(29:29):
of course he's sad in this Photoh gosh, she's obviously
not wanting to be the president of United States. JFK
was shot and killed, and now LBJ has to step up. Unfortunately.
I gotta be honest, I wasn't there. I don't think
LBJ was actually that upset.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, So does that sound to me like, okay, that
is the per Erica Kirk is the one that took
over for Charlie Kirk. So in this analogy that she's making,
she's making the analogy that Erica Kirk is l b
J and that JFK is Charlie Kirk. Am I nuts
to think that that that that's the analogy. Sure it
(30:10):
sounds sure sounds like it. Yeah, she goes on, I
don't know why.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Vibes. The vibes just aren't vibing for me in that picture.
But maybe maybe he was. Maybe the truth is that
LBJ simply use an expression, had his wits about him.
It becomes clearer and clearer. It just screams at me
that this was an inside job.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Okay, all right, So that is a very skilled, very
sophisticated approach to what she is trying to execute on
her shows on a daily basis, which is introduce all
of this doubt, constantly introduced doubt, don't come together with
(30:56):
any kind of like solid evidence that backs up a
theory that she hasn't even really quite spelled out yet,
because all it is is just a bunch of just
random things thrown out there as much doubt as you
could possibly plant a seed on, never cohesively putting it
all together and coming up with evidence to make an argument.
(31:17):
It sure sounds like to me that she is insinuating
or suggesting that Erica Kirk was somehow involved in the
death of Charlie Kirk, or is somehow maybe not involved
in a premature way, but in an aftermath way. Okay,
So for Megan Kelly to come forward and say that
(31:39):
Ben Shapiro got it wrong, everybody on this that's ever
listened to this show knows that we are not huge
fans of Ben Shapiro. We did an eight part series
between the fight between Candie Owans and Ben Shapiro where
people called us anti Semitic and people called it basically
a defense of Candie Owans. All right, So we are
(32:02):
not huge fans of Ben Shapiro. But at the end
of the day, when he was discussing there in regards
to her approach to this investigation and pulling Erica Kirk
into it and implicating Erica Kirk in some way in
the cover up of the real murders behind Charlie Kirk.
That is what I am grabbing from her content that
(32:23):
she's putting out there.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I'm just not sure how you could grab anything else.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know, And I'm just asking questions now, obviously, But
she's very sophisticated at this, and she's pulling these people
into this true crime web that somehow Trump and Trump's
FBI is implicated in this thing. And that's been her approach.
(32:47):
And for Megan to come forward and somehow fact check
Ben Shapiro and not go through and try to pull
up some of this other information that Candice has been
putting out there that implicates Charlie's wife all of this,
and of course they're not going through and looking at
(33:07):
the many falsehoods that Candice has put out in regard
to this investigation, like claiming that Tyler Robinson didn't use
the word vehicle, he used the word car using a
bodycam video to make that determination. To somehow claim that
the FBI fabricated the text messages between himself and his
(33:30):
gay lover. To make that claim, she had to cut
off the word vehicle that Tyler Robinson used Later in
the bodycam video, she misread the time of a plane
landing in Utah, thinking that it was Utah time, which
it wasn't, and completely through her theory out the door.
(33:52):
Yet she wouldn't leave it. She claimed that she read
chats that were text messages, but she thought that they
were discord chats, and she said in an interview with CNN,
CNN said, oh wait a minute, those weren't discord chats,
those were text message chats, and she said, no, I
(34:13):
read the indictment and it wasn't I didn't read text messages.
You open up the indictment and it says straight out
that it was text messages. She goes after the FBI
for not including time stamps in the text messages. Then
she releases text messages between her and Charlie Kirk that
don't have a time stamp. She gives no grace to
(34:34):
Trump's FBI, but she wants all of the grace that
you could muster up for her evidence that she provides. Okay,
I mean, the list just goes on and on and on.
She's claimed TPUUSA lied about Charlie Kirk being an evangelical
Christian the day that he was murdered. He claimed to
(34:55):
be an evangelical Christian the very same day that he
was murdered. Okay, but she uses I don't know, handwaving
and some previous texts or something that she got behind
the scenes or sources on both sides that she uses
to make that claim. I mean, the list goes on
and on. She accuses Josh Hammer, who actually seems kind
(35:17):
of like not a great guy, of having foreign knowledge
of Charlie Kirk's of his murder, of his assassination based
on a tweet that he put out there about the
woman Ukrainian refugee that was stabbed in the neck. That
was the tweet that he put out there. He wanted
to see public executions because of that woman getting stabbed
(35:38):
in the neck. She takes that tweet and places it
in the Charlie Kirk investigation as if that is evidence
that he had for knowledge of that execution. It just
goes on and on and on, and this is the
problem here. Candace has become what she hates. She has
allowed the unjust attacks that happened on her early in
(36:01):
her career to make her and mold her into what
she hates. When we did that Family Feud series between
her and Ben Shapiro, we made the argument that she
was unjustly attacked by talking about nationalism and equating the
negative view of that word nationalism to Hitler's use of
(36:25):
that word, and that that is why the word nationalism
has a negative connotation in the United States. She was
attacked by Israeli groups and by Jewish groups, and I
felt like it was completely unjustly attacked. She was fearing
for her career and those attacks were kind of always
there hovering over her, and she allowed that war that
(36:51):
she was having with those people to turn her into
something that is kind of unrecognizable compared to the Candae
from her quote unquote conservative days. She's now going on
these investigations that are some of the most sloppiest investigations
that I've ever seen, and people are eating it up.
(37:14):
You have people in comment sections constantly saying that she's
onto something, that she's exposing the lies, but nothing has
been exposed because there's not even a theory as to
who did this, a cohesive theory that she is bringing
up to the masses. You know why people don't do that,
It's because you can judge that later. It's much easier
(37:36):
to just seed the public with doubt in as many
different ways that you possibly can, rather than to offer
up something that is solid that can be analyzed at
a later timeframe. We did that when we went into
the Tim Ballard investigation. We investigated everything, We pulled court documents,
(37:59):
we did fois to pull out his old investigation that
he authored. We went and got Colombian depositions from court cases,
and we brought forward a theory as to his mode
of operation and what he did in such a way
that it can be attacked by people, or analyzed by
(38:21):
people or broken apart. She's not doing that. All she's
doing is is putting out suggestions and completely muddying the water.
And if she doesn't, she isn't careful, She's going to
get this Tyler Robinson guy off. This is the problem
with conservative media right now, because the whole justification for
(38:42):
the existence of conservative media is to right the wrongs
of legacy media, the lies that legacy media has been
getting away with now for decades. We want to revitalize
the media institution. It's important, it's vital to American survival
to have a functioning media invironment.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
But what we're.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Replacing it with is all these conspiracy theory purveyors and promoters.
They're literally making the case for our future censorship. So
if people like Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, who are
at the pinnacle of conservative and pinnacle of alternative media,
if they're not calling out these major, major mistakes, they're
(39:27):
setting us all up to be censored when the left
gets controlled again, and they will get in control again
because you have these wacky theories that are going out
there that are destroying the credibility of not just the
legacy media, but also alternative media. Now, we need to
build a media ecosystem of trusted voices, and when you
(39:49):
have people like Megan Kelly and Tuckle Car Carlson that
are unwilling to go at somebody like Candace and they
don't have to attack her. Just correct the record on
the horrendous investigation that she's putting out there. Just correct
the record, because you're making us look stupid by not
doing that. But unfortunately we have these people that are
(40:11):
at the pinnacle of conservative media that they aren't really trustworthy.
Let's just get down to it. I like Tucker Carlson.
I've always enjoyed him. He's probably my favorite mainstream conservative
media talking head. Megan Kelly, I think she's a gifted broadcaster,
but she goes wherever the wind blows. Okay, we've seen
(40:33):
that time and time again. From twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen,
she went from conservative to liberal back to conservative. That's
not natural. And let me give you a perfect example
of that. This is Megan Kelly in a segment when
she was at NBC in twenty eighteen promoting trans kids.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Well, the people with me on stage right now are
all transgender kids who want others to know it is
possible to transition socially with love and support and acceptance
within a family and a community, Please welcome sixteen year
old Nicole, twelve year old Daniel, fourteen year old Jia,
fifteen year old Landon.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So these are a bunch of kids that have transitioned,
and she does this whole segment on the importance of
being who you are and what have you. Now, people
will come forward and say, oh, well, she's She came
forward later and said she had a change of opinion
on this. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. I've seen
her flow with the wind whenever it benefits her career.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, because, by the way, when she was talking about
this at the time, this was already on the radar
of many people. In fact, we were doing a show
at that same point in time with Walt Hayre about
the problem with this ideology exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So for her to claim, for people to claim that
she is somehow evolved from this time, oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
A different time. She knows better now, She's so sorry. No, no, no,
she goes where the wind blows. And that is a fact.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
And we saw that when she did that with Trump
back in the day, within the twenty fifteen debate, she
became part of that never Trump movement. She was literally
the leading voice on Fox News for the never trumpers.
She would constantly have on Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields,
who was attacking the Trump campaign for some kind of
(42:25):
a physical assault that turned out to be retarded if
you actually saw the video. She was the lead champion
behind that. She became a feminist when she went over
to NBC because that benefited her career. She goes wherever
the wind takes her. She came over to back over
to Trump when she got booted out of NBC to
(42:46):
be part of the Maga movement, and now that it's
kind of within social media and it's in the air
to be anti Israel. Now she's starting to incorporate some
of those topics within her content because that's what she does.
She was a feminist at NBC.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
The time has come. The time has come. We are
in the middle of an empowerment revolution in this country,
and the only way forward is for women to get comfortable,
get comfortable throwing some sharp elbows, making waves and taking
risks and holding the powerful account.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
She goes from a lefty feminist on NBC to promoting
Pete Hegseth into Trump's cabinet. Pete hegg Seth who is
sleeping around with any woman.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Well, his wife was pregnant, yes, yes, so.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
His future wife was pregnant. She will go wherever it
benefits her career.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I mean, but here's the thing. She's gotten rich doing it.
Apparently it pays. It pays to be a liar, It
pays to you know, go wherever the wind takes you,
wherever it's popular. And you know, I'm over here telling
the truth. And can you guys buy a coffee mug?
What the hell?
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