Best of full interview: Clipse Talk New Album, Def Jam Split, Travis Scott Beef, Cousinz Fest, Kdot, Ye, Leaks + More

Best of 2025- Artists of the Year - Clipse Talk New Album, Def Jam Split, Travis Scott Beef, Cousinz Fest, Kdot, Ye, Leaks. Recorded 2025.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning, Breakfast Club Morning.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody is the j n V. Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
We got some special guests in the end.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Clips.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Is it the clips? Or is it clip Clips? Because
I say the clips too clips?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You call that.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
Shot, So it's just clips.

Speaker 6 (00:27):
What's the origins of the name for people who don't know?

Speaker 7 (00:30):
So that came from Full of Clips. I came up
with it and at the time of Fat Joe had
the Full of Clips Crew, so we just shortened it
the Clips.

Speaker 8 (00:39):
Okay, Now I want to go back right because you
guys haven't been a long time, for a long time,
so I want to start from the history.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Of course, I know you guys for a long, long, long,
long time.

Speaker 8 (00:50):
So what got you into rapping and to form the
group The clip Clips for people that don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Always always been a fan of hip hop like anybody else.
You know, My older brother was into the whole cardboard box.

Speaker 7 (01:05):
Break dancing, boom box rapping when you had to push
play and record and wrap directly into the box and yeah, man,
just uh just coming up, just coming up under that
and uh we went to Chad's house one time and
Pusha he wrote his first rap, and Pharrell was like, y'all,
should you know be a group? His first rap was incredible,

(01:28):
but before that it was just me rapping over there.

Speaker 8 (01:31):
Now when you're first met Chad and and Pharrell, right, yeah,
y'all are totally opposite. So how did y'all even meet
and even learn each other? Because growing up in Norfolk
in Virginia, like, it's totally two different sides. So what
made y'all even say, you know what, let's connect with
these guys who wearing tight shirts at the time and
tight pants and looked like skateboards and look nothing like

(01:52):
y'all serving them, serving them? So it made ya say,
you know what, let's link with them and start you know.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
Actually, so I was a djuh dj Alex in Virginia.
Beach lived down the street from me, and we went
out and we rented a drum machine and we got
the drum machine, but we couldn't work it, and you know,
we had to turn it back in, so and we
had paid for it, but you know, we was gonna
have to turn it back in before we even had
a chance to use it. And he was like, you know,

(02:20):
let's take it to my homie's house. And we went
over there and it happened to be Chad and he
knew how to work it. And you know, that's just
stuff that we was doing before clip.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
And that's where it started. So when did y'all take
it serious?

Speaker 8 (02:31):
When did you say, you know, what this rap thing
is is something I'm gonna take serious. I'm gonna get
off the street to say this is.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
What it is.

Speaker 9 (02:38):
I have to say that was in meeting Pharrell. In
meeting Pharrell, and you know it was Pharrell, it was
the Teddy Riley coming to Virginia. You know, we began
to see that it was a real thing, that that
that music was was actually attainable in arms reach. I

(02:59):
mean we seeing the cars, We're seeing the Ferraris, were
seeing Michael Jackson in Virginia Beach. You know, we're seeing
MC's whole everybody was was coming, was coming down. And
then at the same time we had you know, Timblin
and MISSI they was doing their thing. They were you know,
they had left home and went to Jersey and was

(03:19):
working with Joe Tosy.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
But these are all our childhood you know, high.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
School school, for last thing, so we we got to
see it from a lot of different angles that you know,
music was possible.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Why why Virginia don't get the like the credit for
being a hip hop hotbed, just a black music hotbed.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Not just not just music.

Speaker 8 (03:40):
You remember Allan Hobson from that area, Michael Vicks from
that area, like this, it's so much in that area
that people.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Forget I'm the music because you got regions and you know,
states that get that love.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
But y'all don't seem to.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well.

Speaker 9 (03:53):
I think I think it's because I think a lot
of people have. Everybody who's made it in Virginia actually
had to leave Virginia to make it. I don't think
any one particular artist of any of us. None of
us broke in Virginia. So we always broke like Clips
broke in Philly. You know, you know everybody, everybody broke

(04:16):
somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
So I think.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Clips broken Philly. I never heard that.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Man, yeah clips broken Philly.

Speaker 9 (04:24):
Man really shoutow cosmic v Yeah, yeah, clips broken Philly.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I don't know what record was at the funeral or
grind grinding Broken Philly.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
Now do you remember that when Farrell gave you that
beat for grinding. I remember the first time I heard it.
It was confusing. Yeah, it was confused. I was confused.
So when he first gave it, how did you know
that was?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
You probably got the c D that I was handing out.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yes, I did, Yeah, I believe you did.

Speaker 9 (04:50):
You know when we heard it first, we was like,
you know, we were it was. It kind of took
us back because you got to think at that time,
Pharrell was singing on every hook.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
It was uh, whether it was mister Cool and whoever?

Speaker 9 (05:03):
Right, So, you know, this is our first joint and
he like, yo, this is the one, and we like
we want you singing, like sing, you better tap or
do something. And you know, he was like, now I'm
telling you this is this the future. This is what
it is.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
And he was right, and it was confusing because we
actually wrote to it twice three times.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think I think I got three joints on that joint.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
I still can't blend it to this day because I
don't know where the beating the snare go at this.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Wow, actually blend on it. You just gotta go.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's crazy, that's crazy for you to say.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
That to this day.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
J M me up there, me up there.

Speaker 10 (05:42):
I just love Vegas with envy, rocking, smoking, Thanks, thanks,
you know on the album alas you said, you've been
both Mason bethists for people who don't know what that
line needs.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
Yeah, I just feel like I understand stood and walked
a similar path like Mace, you know, to be in
this industry and then to have.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
A real live revelation of God.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
And who he is, you know, and then have to
navigate your way. As far as navigating, not so much
because I knew that I had.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
To chill, take a step back.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
And I also want to give you y'all flowers too,
because y'all were still messing with me during that time.
You let me come in here and you know, promote
the documentary and you know, uh my solo projects and everything.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So yeah, I appreciate that. But yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
I understand, uh seeing a lot of the same things
that that Mace.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Uh s.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
I bought that up because you know, they actually caught
me Mason a club. It was in a club in DC,
and it was like we got to push your ta
in Mason.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
For a while.

Speaker 11 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
No, I'm cool with it all. Yeah, I'm cool with
it all.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's why I brought it because that's what ultimately caused
the clips to you know, in for that.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Time.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, So what got your back? What was the
call that said I want to do this again?

Speaker 7 (07:09):
There were a few baby steps, I'm gonna say, uh,
going out to Wyoming and uh, you know, working on
use this gospel with ya with my brother. I always
knew that we could do it, but I just knew
I needed to sit down period, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
And uh, what else did we do? We did push
his album I Pray for You. We did the Lego album,
the album.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, I mean those were.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Things I could ask for that I knew, weren't you know,
just solid nose and you know, man, from there, it
was just like, what we're gonna do?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
What was the exact moment though, because y'all were on
two completely different life paths, So what was the exact
moment that said, Okay, it's time to do another album?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, So I'll say this.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
You know, when when we were doing they use this
gospel and punch bowl and push his album and whatever.
I had to ask my dad. I was like, you know,
what do you think about me rapping again? And he said,
he said, son, I think you've been too hard on yourself.
And my dad's a deacon, you know, like he was
a deacon. So to hear him say that, I am

(08:21):
like a word.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
That's how you feel like, you know, And you.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Answered one of my questions.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I was gonna ask you about that because you talk
about that on Birds Don't Sink, right, And I just
thought that was such a powerful thing, just just to
explain like you was going through his you know, dress
and draw seeing his notes. But then he y'all had
conversations about you rapping again. I'm gonna ask you, what
would those conversations?

Speaker 7 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, we you know, just everything was the way
it lined up. It told the whole story, and it
let me know that God is intentional. These things don't
just be happening to us the way you know, we think.
God is very gracious and he sets you up. He
knows what you can take, he knows how much to
put on you. He knows the order and which to put,

(09:00):
you know, things in for you. So I just know
that He's in control all the time. And the conversations
with that record, you know, pushing talking to my mom
and me talking to my dad and being able to
document those last conversations. Even those conversations was a type
of preparation, you know, getting you ready for what was

(09:23):
about to take place.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
So like, I'm I'm cool with it.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
All, but condolence is first and form, you know. I
was when I was in Vegas. You know, I was
with family members of yours, and what I like to
do is is pull them to the side and just
have conversations.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I knew I was coming up for an interview and
trying to get tea yeah, of course, and one of them.

Speaker 8 (09:41):
Was like, now we were talking about the albums before
I heard the album, and he was like, he was like, yo,
the best thing about it. He was like, I had
their mom in the car and he was like, the
greatest thing that ever happened is the two boys are
back together rapping. So how was that feeling of knowing
that mom was just super duper happy that her two

(10:02):
sons were back.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
Uh man, you know she that was that was always
a big thing, you know for me as a soloist.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
She would always be like them, Yeah, I want your
brother with you.

Speaker 9 (10:14):
I want them back out there with you, probably just
to you know, look over me, watch over me. But
that was that was always her thing. She was huge
on like us just being together.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yea, now, dis y'all know, y'all had to start the
album with a dedication to your parents.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
Like because it was the hardest record to make, Like
it was the hardest record to make.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So yeah.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
So finally, like when we cracked that code, you know,
we were you know, we were putting the order in
and we was like, man, nah.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
This this, this has to start, like, this has to
start the album.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
It was.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
It was polarizing the response, you know, just in the
creation of it.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
Man, everybody who heard it, you know, and there were
people in there, like you know, we recorded it in
the in the LV headquarters, so it's a room and
it's you know, it's open. The mics are like this,
ain't no booth you record like this. You look outside,
you look through that window right there, and then it's
not a window, it's just an open space. Somebody with
a sewing machine, somebody with you know, bag shoes whatever.

(11:19):
And while we're doing this in real time, everybody's in tears,
like everybody just you know, they're they're watching it. By
the time we finish it, it's like you know, just
like any other record. It's like, man, you know, we
we cracked the code on it, like we were satisfied,
but it was just so hard to do. And everybody
is always like, you know, everybody want to put the

(11:40):
hardest record first, and I'm like, nah, man, this this
is the this is the hardest record, and I want
to see how it like really touches people.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
You know, from from the jump and the didn't get
into everything else.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Did that change you?

Speaker 8 (11:52):
Because you know, you talk about on the record of
where you were and the things that you should have
been doing that you weren't doing.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, and then I've seen a for a.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
Couple of years with you when you had your son,
like everything is about your son and you show up
more than anything else and that wasn't you beforehand.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So did that change you?

Speaker 4 (12:09):
What is my first son? So you know this is
this is this is new to me.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
But you know, I man, I don't know if it
changed me.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
I would say that my parents prepared me to.

Speaker 9 (12:24):
Be a dad, like a real dad, because I had
a real dad and a real mom.

Speaker 11 (12:30):
Were there conversations that you wish you had with your mom,
like in those moments where you talk about you went
to Turks for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 9 (12:35):
And no, no, like me and my mom was so straight,
like we've been, like we always were straight.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And I think that the.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
You know, the whole the Turks thing when you know,
and looking at in hindsight, you know, she was like, damn,
you're gonna get out of here, you know, you know,
looking at it and everything, I sort of feel like
she knows, she knew everything, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
You know, it's just it's it's it was.

Speaker 9 (13:07):
It tells the story, you know after you know what
I'm saying, like the whole story for me, Like I
see it all now, I see it all, but at
the time, no, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I think.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
I think it also says a lot for you know,
being in harmony with your people. Yeah, really you really
should be, because that is what gives me a lot
of peace knowing that, you know, I was there for
my mother, a great relationship with my mother and my
father the whole time. So if you're out here and

(13:39):
you have like a dysfunction or a lot of dis
disdain between family members, you should really try to fix that,
you know what I'm saying, you should you should really try.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
To fix that.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
If possible because right now with my parents being gone,
I get a lot of peace just knowing that everything
was straight and always straight.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
That's not the only thing.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, y'all choose who was going to rap about who?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
That was kind of easy. I mean.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
And even though we were, you know, just all of
us very close knit and tight knit, uh, you know,
my dad and I we always talked about things of
the Bible, you know, and just whole even my mom
because my mom was you know, over the house every
Saturday for Bible study. But I don't know, it just

(14:28):
seemed like it kind of made more sense for you know,
me talking about my dad.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Will we get a visual for this video? I mean,
it's already shot.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's already shot.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
Look at you. It's not like you already.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Pull everybody to the side.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Definitely asked how difficult is it to rap honestly next
to your brother because y'all y'all really know each other,
so you could be like, yo, you're lying, that ain't happening.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
We don't. We don't have them kind of issues.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Okay, Yeah, it's cool if you're getting it's.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
Real, But is it ever like maybe that's too much?
Like maybe we shouldn't say that.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
I think I think push It likes, especially now he
likes when I curse, you know, try.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
To like all the way there with it, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
But nah, I mean the rapping is is is just
like second nature to us and we've been doing this
for a.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
While, so just the funnest rapping has ever been, I'm
being honest with you, this gound, Yeah, like this is
the funnest rap has been.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Like this ain't even like that's not a thing, like
it's you.

Speaker 9 (15:33):
Know, the rollout and all of that is like the work.
This the music, not the music is what it is.
Like the music is there.

Speaker 8 (15:43):
You feel like you gotta you feel like you got
to prove yourself though it's like I see it would
hold right people.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh you lying? You ain't really do that?

Speaker 9 (15:50):
Ah man, I feel like you gotta bro I've been
in this twenty three years, like I've been who I've
been twenty three years, Like I don't I don't feel
like I got to prove anything to anybody, And I
feel like I'm the best at what it is I'm doing.
Like I don't think nobody talks like this, Nobody like
it's a lot that comes with this, and I feel like,
you know, people give you that the coke wrap, Moniker bro.

(16:14):
We like it's so much deeper than that. And listen,
I don't even argue that. I don't even argue the
title no more. It's fine. It's just you know this
right now, what we're making is for those who know
and for those who understand, and for those who are
like you know, into hip hop, into the lifestyle, and
that I think that's what you're seeing in the.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Whole rollout of this album.

Speaker 9 (16:35):
This this is high taste level everything, and it's you
know it and it shows the heritage of like how
and what we've been a part of for all these years.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
You know, whether it's you.

Speaker 9 (16:47):
Know, high fashion, whether it's car hard, whether it's streetwear,
whether you know, whatever it is, it's all hip hop.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Like this is we're trying to give the hip hop
tutorial of.

Speaker 9 (16:58):
Like why we loved rappers, you know, the rappers I
cut my eyebrows broke, you.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Know, like these things I did, like I did, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (17:08):
And I want people to love us in that way
and I want to show that, like, you know, this
is what this is what hip hop means to us
like be entrenched, and that's what we're just trying to show.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
You know. That's funny because.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
That was one of my revelations with my departure, everything
that we were talking about, the things that we had
been through, the things that we were sharing, and then
to see how it all came crashing down with friends
and family you know, around us and death, yeah, death,
indictments even to present day. You know what I'm saying,

(17:44):
The same people that we were running with. We we've
lost a few, a few more recently. But my revelation
was when I would hear narratives of you know, they
weren't into that, or they weren't doing this and that,
and I'm like, I know what we've been through, and
for anyone to say anything like that, for to have

(18:05):
such a sacrifice of all these things going down, just
for someone to say that which doesn't trouble me at all,
doesn't bother me. And you know, people have their opinions
and can say what they want, but to be fighting
for that and talking that and and then then when
it happens and then somebody won't say you ain't do that,
I was like, oh man, I'm chilling.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm good.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
I didn't hear a lot of cocaine wrap on this record, though.
Was that intentional? Do you think you should not the
clips project?

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Right? No? I think, you know, I think it's more reminiscent. Yeah,
if you.

Speaker 11 (18:38):
Give a little in the beginning, a little something in
the beginning, favorite.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
For who you really they tried.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
They tried to scrap it.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I tried to scrap it. They tried to scrap that.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
I told them.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I was like, you know, that's it.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
It is.

Speaker 9 (19:12):
About want to because I was I was actually mimicking Guru,
like vocally, and I didn't think I nailed it good enough.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
And I was just like, man, I didn't get Guru.
Oh yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
I mean, you know, very monotone, very conversational, very then
and then and it was like you know that, I mean,
I I just didn't. I wasn't sold on the execution
can man, that's crazy, that's crazy because it was gone.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
That's my favorite version.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Did you tell him I don't want to do too
much of the cocaine thing.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
On this No, I mean, I think you know that's
a good thing.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
Between my brother and I, things are understood, you know,
he knows why stand I know where he stands. I
don't try to age him or he don't try to
change me. And it's a it's a good playing field
where we come together and it's just real. We don't
have to like overcomplish or manufacture anything. It's just it's
just what it is.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
The the other day, they said I was glazing the
clips right.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Crazy.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
That is what I said, was I said, I said
something to this fact. I said, Push has if he
hears anybody go at him, he has five records on
the side of five versus the case.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I said, I just know because I know who he
is and what he is. Is that true? No, man,
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'm not listen man, you know he said.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
No, he said he looks good like the skins, always fresh.

Speaker 9 (20:49):
Like like I like skin compliments.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I do like skin compliments. I'm gonna tell.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
You to raps it.

Speaker 8 (21:01):
Sometimes they throw stones that you do you have something
in the stass for each and every.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
One of them.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
Man, I mean, I think you know, just me being
a rap artist and me being an MC is that's
just second nature. And usually most most people who throw stones, man,
I mean, nobody's perfect. So I mean I can dissect
anybody just like they could dissect me. But you know, man,

(21:27):
I try not to. I try not to to engage
to my like I've done that. Like I've done a
lot of it, you know what I'm saying. I've done
it with the best and the biggest, Like I've done it.
So it's like, you know, you can't just entertain everything
because everybody and everybody's not good. Like everybody's not good.

(21:48):
This is this is a new day in a new
era where like you know, just uh clicks and and
and and clickbait and and people just say things for
for attention, and it's like.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
You just can't entertain everything, man, you just can't.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
I feel like you've been trying to catch your body
since the story.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I've been trying to catch a body.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
You caught a body. I think those were shots directly
at you. You were surgical with you said at the
end of peel Back, the lay is real slow.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
So I feel like you really wanted to go there
with somebody for the longest.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Nah.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Man, no, no, I mean you know it's it's never a.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Man.

Speaker 9 (22:35):
I got I got for real, I have a lot
to to to rap about. I got a lot to
wrap about. I got a lot, a lot of content.
The creativity is is ever flowing and it don't ever
have to be about an individual. It don't have to
be like not for me, Like I mean, like, I
feel like this album is incredible and I don't think

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it's really dialed anywhere you get.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
A necessory to murder charge because when you listen to
you for.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Things that you laid you know, you laid down that
Kendrick used for you for it, and I think it's
used in the battle period.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
Man, you know, I think I think you know, great
great lyricists just.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
You know, tune into the obvious.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Speak during that battle and yeah, speak during the battle.

Speaker 11 (23:31):
I when do you pick and choose when to say
something about something because you sit on a lot of
stuff for a long time.

Speaker 9 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm always like that, like I
feel like and that just comes with that just comes
with like my position in the game and like just
where I am as an artist. Like, man, I don't
you know, it's not always a radio record that I have.
It's not always you know, we don't get you know,

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I'm not putting out music constantly, you know what I'm
saying every five minutes a new record.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I feel like, you know, uh, you know, things happen.

Speaker 9 (24:09):
You got to store it. You gotta store, you gotta craft,
you gotta make it right. You got to set the platform,
set the stage, breakdown.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
With the hit.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
The situation with death Jam. You guys were on death Jam. Yes,
decided to leave.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
You crazy too, man.

Speaker 9 (24:23):
You can sit up here and tell Death Jam was like, Yo,
death Jam, Death Jam don't care about your project.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Crazy honest man. Man, He's.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
Like, I'm not gonna do that after her, like what
is You're not to talk about your music? What are
we gonna be talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And I actually left that because we didn't sit down,
but he still wanted to do it.

Speaker 11 (24:49):
But I was pushing for her because I love Cocoa.
If we've been honest though, because listening to the project
now and knowing with the background with you're on death Jam,
you I don't understand why they would let a project
like this go.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
So what was the call when when when you hit
it in the album and they called and said, we
can't put this out, we can't clear this record.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
What was that call?

Speaker 9 (25:06):
I mean, it was you know what it was? It
was something that I wasn't really dealing with firsthand. They
were like speaking to my management, uh and my team
and just like you know, and then it got it
got a little dicey to where to the point they
weren't they wouldn't text or email send these things an email.
They would they would like only talk on the phone,
and you know, they would instruct not to email us

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back and forth these.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
You know, that type of correspondence.

Speaker 9 (25:32):
So, I mean, man, you know it's I don't know,
like I don't I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
I mean, I can only assume.

Speaker 9 (25:42):
That it was just the optics with everything they got
going on with litigation, lawsuits and over that the optics
of clips Kendrick together, because that's that's.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
When it all happened. Like we don't, we don't.

Speaker 9 (25:55):
We don't really deal with the label that much anyway
outside of nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Actually, yeah, we don't deal with the label.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Like we we go make our album and then we
come and bring the album back.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
But y'all, you and you have worked together before, y'all
got a classic together. If you ask me, yeah, different, Oh.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
It's a different day. It wasn't you know, that was
back then. But y'all wasn't even shooting that dude, It
doesn't it doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (26:20):
So then so when you wanted to leave, you call
Hole and then the first room was they just let
you go for free.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
We was like that can't be true.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
No no, no, no, no no no, we had to pay,
had to pay.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So you reached out the whole and Hope sit absolutely possible.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Was Stephen did Yeah, Stephen, Stephen reached out to him.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
There were other other labels in the in the in
the bidding, and he just called home, like yo, I
think there was a there was a there was an
approval process between one of the labels or something took
a little long, and he went and ass whole, and
Hope was like, look, yeah, let's do this now, like
twenty four hours, maybe maybe forty eight hours. I never

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seen lawyer work like this fast. Yeah, I didn't know
it even happened like that.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
And what record was all supposed to be on on
this project?

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Ship man there was I mean we got he was
saying changing whibs.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Uh it was Mike Tyson.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Mike Tyson blow to the face. You know, Whole had
the album so you know it, Yeah, it was it
was all for him. To whatever he wanted to do
to be on so be it.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, that was one of the options.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
Yeah, yeah, and nothing moved the spirit.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Man. I don't know, Man, I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know you know on pov Malast you said that
you came back for the money, that's the devil.

Speaker 6 (27:42):
Can you explain it?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (27:44):
I just thought it was a real fly line, you know.
And for anyone who has any questions about me, I'm
Jesus inside out, like I'm all the way gone with it,
like it it's crazy. But uh, I just took artistic liberty,
you know with that line. And really, to me, you know,

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money is a good thing. You need money, especially to
you know, you got friends and family to be able
to help people.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
It's nothing wrong with money. I think people put a
stigma on money.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
For the Bible says that it is the love of
money that's the root of all evil, not the money.
It's how much you love it, What are you willing
to do for it? What won't you do for do
you lose all your principles and your moral So I
don't think we can demonize money. But for me, it
was just a fly line.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
To the church, right, Nah, not because the line is fresh.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
That's the devil in me. Had to hide it from
the church. That's the jackal of me.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
But I'm just talking.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
About the duplicity and the dichotomy.

Speaker 7 (28:59):
Of you know, uh, the mind and and how people think,
and the two sidedness to people. Sometimes that's everybody, absolutely, Yeah,
that's everybody.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Earlier, right, Yeah, when Mace came back, it was on
his ass right because of the lyrics, because of this
type of records that he was on.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
But with you, they don't do that with you. Why
do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Uh, I don't. I don't know, but but I'm gonna
tell you for me.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
And and looking at Mace now, like I get Mace,
Like I understand. People are judgmental, you know what I'm saying.
I've heard a few things about me. You know, I'm
not gonna like I haven't seen anything.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
But you you have to.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
Know be solid and who you are and if you
have the Word in you. The Bible says that there
is none righteous, no, not one, so nobody can like
truly point the finger. But uh, you better have your
heart positioned in Jesus Christ by the end of the
day because when when when the music stop, you definitely
want to have a seed.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
He taught me that at it because I didn't know.

Speaker 9 (30:07):
He told me, God, God think we all dirty?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's what?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
How do your conversations be with it?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Do you know about forgiveness alone?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
You know what, Listen, I'm gonna tell you. Like my
brother listens to me, you know now, or he has
the appearance of listening.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
He hears me. He hears me.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
And any time I get to witness to anybody, you know,
with with without being preachy or forcing myself.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
I the problem is for me is that I happen
to know how serious this is. And the thing about
not knowing is that you don't know that you don't know,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So when you're.

Speaker 7 (30:53):
Trying to uh, when people open the door and are
willing to listen, I just I try to do whatever
it is I can. But my brother, he's been incredibly
supportive of me, even in my stepping away.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
He's never you know, was like, Yo, what are you
doing or this?

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Like he basically just said okay, you know, He asked me,
was I sure?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know?

Speaker 7 (31:16):
And And that meant a lot to me because I
had a lot. It was like a heavyweight. So to
have the support of my brother, even through the whole hiatus.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
He would come to me. He was like, Yo, so
and so was offering this amount of money.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
But what he did, but but but what he would do.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Was he said, I already told them no, but I
didn't want this to happen without me letting you know,
just in case.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (31:42):
So but right right, well, you know, I felt supportive.
So that's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Robbed when people never feel never feel robed.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
How do you feel when people leak music? Like when
people release your music prematurely?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yo?

Speaker 7 (32:06):
You know, the game goes how it goes, and that's
how we maneuver, we navigate everything.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I'm not gonna sit up and be upset about anything.
You know.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
That happens when we get in there and we create
and we make our music and we do what we do.
What else you're gonna do? What else can you do
other than that? You know what I'm saying. And I
stand on our product and I love it. And it's
good for fans to get things sometimes, so it's cool,
like as long as they enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's good.

Speaker 11 (32:33):
Did y'all ever think about trying to get another Kendrick
verse once that leaked before the album? Actually like dropped.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Man, we try to get all Kendrick versus.

Speaker 8 (32:41):
Why not y'all knew playing that song in Paris for
everybody's phone out it was going.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Y'all had to know that.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, it's part of it.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
NB said something about what you asked about Malice about
why you don't get the flack. I think one reason
is because y'all have always had like a spiritual thread
in your music, especially with the album titles. So how
is your personal understanding of good and evil evolved?

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Since like hell have.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
No fear good and evil?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
How is your personal understanding of it evolved?

Speaker 6 (33:17):
When you're even talking about rap?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Like you know, people some people say rap music is secular,
it's the devil, you shouldn't do it, But then you know,
you went on your journey, and you were doing it
even while you're on your journey, but now you're back.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Like yeah, I think. I think one of the things
that I have learned is, uh, start with yourself before
you try to correct anybody matter. I'm not even saying
you should try and correct anybody, but you start with
yourself and looking within and and change the things that
you can change, and work on what you need to

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work on. And then you can like offer some kind
of advice or if if people are even interested, you
know what I'm saying, be able to give a reason
for the hope that you have. And yeah, I think
if more of us looked at ourselves and instead of
trying to judge other people, I mean, because you know

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you you you look, you look deep enough, you'll find
something all the time, you know.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
So what you said about when you went to Wyoming
to do use this gospel, by the way, the hardest
song on on that album. How do y'all feel about
Kanye Now? Do you feel sadness or sympathy for him?
Y'all see him now?

Speaker 9 (34:30):
No no, no, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
I'm gonna say and and and and I'm gonna say
that I think this goes for for anybody.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
It's crazy. When you have a true.

Speaker 7 (34:47):
Revelation of God, it is radical because when you when
when when you when the scales fall off your eyes,
you do you want to run and tell everybody what
you what you witness or you know we've been missing
it this whole time. You know, it's how It's how
I felt. But once you get that, you gotta sit
down for a minute. You can't get the revelation and

(35:09):
then try to keep going in this world. The epitome
of the gospel is denying yourself. That's why Christ got
on the cross and.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Gave up his flesh.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
So you have to be willing to give it up
so you can learn and then let God restore you
and rebuild you. You know, correctly doesn't mean anybody is
a perfect person, you know what I'm saying, or or
you can't even try to have the facade of Okay,
I'm saved now now I'm perfect.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Nah, It just doesn't work like that.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
So I have to deal with it.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
Push because deal with Kanye, because you know, you're not
the type of person to hold your tongue.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You know, you don't hold your word.

Speaker 8 (35:49):
So when some of the stuff that he did that
might not have aligned what you thought, did y'all have
those conversations?

Speaker 9 (35:55):
Well, I mean, you know, I spoke on it. I
feel like that's that was the beginning of our fallout.

Speaker 11 (36:00):
M M.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
But you know, he.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Sits on a lot of miscarriages of justice. I've seen it,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
I hear things and things being said, and I see,
you know, his reserve.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
You know, I admire his restraint.

Speaker 7 (36:19):
People By the time he jumps out the window, you
think he's going overboard. But I'm telling you as knowing
my brother, he sits on a lot.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
And what about all that music, because I'm sure you
you got tons of music, but we never hear the
stuff that you've done.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you will, because they leak it all.

Speaker 9 (36:37):
They leak it all they put out or just sloppy,
you know, I don't you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I don't I don't use it. I don't even keep it.

Speaker 9 (36:48):
But you know you've you've seen and heard the things
that have been out there.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
But I saw you say you hate Kanye's leadership and
you got away from that, got away from that community
that he built because of the feeling over there, right.
What was that like last straw of like nah, I
can't no more.

Speaker 9 (37:05):
I think for me it was I think for me
it was somewhere around somewhere around the Atlanta the dome,
the locked in when everybody was locked in the dome,
and you know, I. You know, like again, man, when
when we squad and we were working and we're doing

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what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's just all about the squad.

Speaker 9 (37:30):
And I kind of just felt like, you know, I
would you know, I would have to leave and go
do things shows, whatever the case. Maybe I would come
back and the energy would just be different.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know.

Speaker 9 (37:39):
There were conversations being had, uh you know, this is
this is after Addie Don and everything else, and you
know it was like, man, I was doing self serving
things and it was just crazy. It was just a
lot of like you know, backbiting and things like that,
and I'm like, damn, this is this is for the squad,
I thought.

Speaker 8 (37:59):
But you know, so publicly negative about you. We heard
him say about Sean. We heard him say legend.

Speaker 9 (38:06):
Oh no, for sure he has for sure he has
he put on remember he put on the little mask.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
He was like screaming in.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
The culturally inappropriate Oh man, yeah, no, listen man, Okay.
So during during just the sessions, whether it was a beat,
whether it was you know, just the freestyles before and
making the songs, whatever the case may be, you know,

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we would get hype about just like man, it's hard
or whatever whatever it was at.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
The time, and I forgot who said it, but somebody
it was Mike. Mike.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
Mike was like, man, this ship is culturally in appropriate.
And Mike also worked on It's Almost Dry, so you
know how that had a common thread of like the
Joker laugh through the whole album. He like, Yo, say
that on the mic, and let me run that through
a filter, because you know, we just felt like we
just kept running that back.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's culturally inappropriate. He was like, say it through a filter, let's.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
Find a voice and let's just see how it sounds
on records. And it actually just worked just to have that,
you know, just another thread to keep it, you know, cohesive,
keep the album cohesive.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I mean, I like it just because it's something that
I feel like we should say something is.

Speaker 9 (39:26):
Yeah, it could have been a line. What I'm saying
is it could have been a line. It could have
been a song, it could have been a hook idea.
At the time, I just you know, I just can't
remember what it was. But that's that's where that that
term came from. Something that was just said ignorantly and
what pissed.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
You off about Travis Scott so much that you had
to mention him on a RECU Lady, what made you
say this isn't this nigga's going too far?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Ah?

Speaker 9 (39:47):
Man, it was just you know, it was just that uh,
that whole coming to uh coming to Paris. You know,
he came to Paris during one of our sessions, you know,
played his album and then he you know, when when
he left, the album comes out, and you know, the
record that he played, you know, had a verse up
there that was, you know, going at p whatever the
case may be. And I'm like, damn, you just left,

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Like how you how you leave here? You know, let
he was on your album and then you're letting him,
you know, play your album for him, you're filming it,
and then you come back when the album drops you
got a verse you know, going at him. So I
just thought that was corny. And again, like you know,
that's part of the I think that's part of just
trying to leave all of that behind. And it's like, man,

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like that's the type of thing that happens over in
that yay world and it's okay, and they you know,
it's all right. They just brush it off and they
be friends and they go hang out together and then
you know, do whatever they do like that doesn't I didn't.
I didn't like that that was brought into this fold.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, gotcha. One time they said that the verse the
Drake first wasn't done as a yet.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
It doesn't matter when it was done. I don't care
when it was done.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
You you added to it.

Speaker 9 (40:55):
You actually he actually had a verse after that verse,
so you you even added to the verse, like.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Pate etiquette for a situation like that, just.

Speaker 9 (41:04):
Stay the hell away from me, like like I'm not
I'm not into you anyway, Like I'm not even into
your swag and none of that, Like it's not into
none of it. So just stay away, like I only
want to mess with the real, Like I'm only dealing
with the real.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I'm only you know, doing music with the real.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
We just I just let's just let's just this is
like just drawing a line in the sand for everybody.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
What are you responsible for what an artist does on
your record?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
M hmm?

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Are you responsible for what an artist doing?

Speaker 11 (41:35):
Like it's Travis responsible for Drake's line?

Speaker 9 (41:40):
If you if you come and dance around in front
of me and and use and use and use footage
and do all this and all that, I think you're
responsible for anything that you do that you incorporate the
people that you know that are that are that are
that are that are being you know, uh talked about.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Of course, I can't believe you have to explain this.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
You know, I'm not just taking size of it because
my brother.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I'm just saying, you know, but I'm talking about the
artists who might approach you because of what push your sax.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
I mean, listen, I ride with my brother. You know
what I'm saying, and.

Speaker 7 (42:19):
That and that's the and that's the thing about this
having purpose. I know what my purpose is. I'm making
music with my brother and I'm glorifying my God. That's
what I'm doing. And when you're in your purpose, if
anything fall on you didn't follow you, at least you
know you were where you were supposed to be. And
That's where I'm at right now. So I'm cool with whatever.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
When people approach you for things, I say, that's.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
All the time.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
But also also be you say, you got a video
of Travis Crime, no.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Man in front of me? Oh no, no, that that
that wasn't that. That's not about crying. So what's on
the video?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh man? You know?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Yeah, you know, damn, I got you.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
I'm glad.

Speaker 12 (43:17):
Because can't do anyviews by yourself.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Created? How did you tell the creator? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Hell yeah right. Tyler's crazy.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
Man, Tyler ben We I mean since uh Trouble on
my Mind, he's huge, uh star trek Neptune for real clips,
uh fan like he knows the discography, you know, fromwards
and backwards. He's He's spoken a lot about how his

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influence he's been influenced by things that we've done. But yeah,
I mean trouble, I don't even remember the year of
Trouble on my Mind came out, But since then, we've
all always been, always been cool, always been tight.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
And yeah, he came through on POV he came through.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
How do you reconcile in nostalgia?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Fans will feel for the old clips being at y'all
totally different men today.

Speaker 9 (44:16):
I'd like to think that they've grown with us. Yeah, yeah,
I'd like to think that they have. And I think that,
you know, I think that they've grown with us. And
I feel like our growth is something that you know,
needs to be studied and studied and just you know,

(44:39):
maturing in hip hop, maturing in hip hop and just
culturally just showing you how to navigate and grow in
this game and still be current and still be you know,
of the mix, and you know, just just not trying
to stay nineteen forever.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Like, Yeah, when the last time you felt this safe?
Because I can hear it in the music. You feel
like a homecoming, right, Yeah, people with the things that
y'all talking about.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
You got Malice back live is on the album Yeah
for rail production.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
When I'm watching you in interviews, I'm like, damn, push
is just letting it fly, all of it.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah, when did you what made you feel so safe
in this moment?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I don't, you know. I just think that.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
For me, I look at it like media has always
been a big part of the Clips because it's always
been a story. The Clips always has a story, and
I don't necessarily think you can get up here and
lie and play. People see through that, and I'm not
want to be seen through, Like I don't like I'd
rather just, you know, just tell the truth and call

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it today versus you know, sitting here trying to tap
dance around things. So, you know, I don't know, I
think that it's not about feeling safe, It's just about
you know this is this is part of the game,
and this is part of the game for us. And
I feel like when you got the music to back

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it up, man, you gotta listen, you gotta you gotta
be musty TV, you gotta be.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
You don't enjoy rappers line.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I think it was on the album that was one
of my favorite, and I wanted to say that.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
You've been by rappers you never believed or something.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I just sung along with I never believe. I wish
I said that. I wish I said that.

Speaker 9 (46:26):
That's what that's I wish I wish I could have
said the maceline and I wish I said that line.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Those are my two takes. Let's say, do y'all do
that all the time?

Speaker 6 (46:38):
Like if you too? If you to switch verses on
like a classic clip song like.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
He Ain't give me his verse. They're saying, I'm going
to right now what y'all talking about?

Speaker 9 (46:50):
That's the debate online.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I'm go into.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I'm one too, just off feature off the records, I'm
going to right now?

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Nor every time.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I'm sure man, I just I just do me man.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
And I think I think our personalities and experience lends
itself to you know, just different scenarios or whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Different basis.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
I can't I can't do what push does you know
what I'm saying? I get that, and all I can
do is be me.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
So you've never heard a push line and been like, damn,
I wish you said that all the time.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, all the time.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (47:38):
I was going to ask at the listening that we
went to, y'all talked about y'all didn't have a ton
of music. Y'all are very particular about recording, and this
is the music we're going to do, and you've always
been that way. But it's been so long, So how
did you know what you wanted to say? Like? How
did you narrow it down to narrative?

Speaker 9 (47:55):
I think I think the key, the key thing that
we were trying to find in the studio was urgency.
Urgency was like the key word that regardless of what
it was. It could be birds on sing, it had
to be urgent. It had to tug at your heart,
you know, if you listen to POV, the flow had

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to be something of you know, or the bars had
to be something of urgency. So it wasn't about it
wasn't about honestly finding words or topics.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
To rap about.

Speaker 9 (48:29):
It was just that the music needed to feel urgent
the whole time. I think that was our I think
that was our our biggest goal, just to make sure
that that sense of urgency was there.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
Talk about what Virginia means to you, guys, because you
get a lot of people that leave their city and
they moved to New York, they moved to Jersey, they
moved to Atlanta, they moved to the West. You guys
have never left Virginia. So what does Virginia mean to you?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
For me, Virginia is everything.

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Childhood, upbringing, where my mother, grandmother and great grandmother hel
from friends. You know, we were just talking about this.
We have the same friends from you know, way back,
and just certain ethics and standards of loyalty, you know

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that has been bred in Virginia. I absolutely love Virginia.
I wouldn't want to move anywhere else. It's my pace,
it's my style, is it's what I know.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
It's home.

Speaker 9 (49:35):
Yeah, I think I think Virginia, you know, for me,
and the fact of like never moving, I always felt
like my music would suffered to write and would suffer.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I've always felt like that.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
I don't it's the comfort, the comfort of being there,
and I think that it gives a different perspective.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I feel like the Clips, Damn the clips.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Clips.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, I feel like Clips.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
I feel like Clips is different because of Virginia. I
feel like the music that we and the influences that
we've been afforded by living in Virginia, a military town,
there were things I never knew about musically or would
have never ran across if we weren't in Virginia. And

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you know, the flavor for yous, the mixtape shops, and
you know, I was exposed to.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
The Bay sound.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
I was exposed to Houston because of this town. And
it was only because like it was such a military
town that all these different influences came there musically. Even
I mean even the late or early eighties, late eighties,
the whole drug culture that the New York to Virginia

(50:58):
pipeline that brought so much music, so much influence, it
brought so much man, you you know, man, if you
just think about, if you if you just think, yeah,
if you just think about though, like the nineties, it
was it was Mace, it was big, it was Wu Tang,
it was everybody rapping about Virginia Beach, like you know,

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just to to know like it was and it was
such it was so impressionable. I think that that that
that gave us a lot of fuel, a lot of information,
and a lot of different things to take from to
create what the clips are today.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
When you met your wife, yes, do you know she
was the one as soon as she said her name?

Speaker 9 (51:44):
No, no, not from Virginia. Yeah, that was crazy though,
But from there to yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
So do y'all do y'all like go out in Virginia
move around here to totally because a lot of rappers,
I'm sorry, a lot of rappers like I have to
leave their city because of that. You know, with love
comes to hate the bigger you get.

Speaker 11 (52:11):
Nah.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
You know, up at the office, they were just talking
about what they hear about us at home and how
we're out. You know, every time I'm in the grocery store,
you know, I'm taking a picture by the peanut butter
that I don't.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Want to take.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'm not doing, you know, with the people.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
But just you know, they catch me anywhere and they said,
I'm out there officiating weddings and people see me at.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
The gas station, like you know, we go out. We
definitely go out, and.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
It feels good to be able to you know what
I'm saying, Virginia, don't be tripping.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Virginia's cool.

Speaker 11 (52:41):
Y'all are like that. Not everywhere, but like I saw
that there was a video you in Miami Push and
walked up. I'm like, where is all the people with him?
Like you just walking around?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
And what was the security? I was made?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (52:55):
I had the man I was. I was I was
going to get uh. I was want to get a
Mother's Day gift, I think, And you know south side man,
he just walked Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
But you know you all laid back and chill.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
And you gotta be I mean, you know, you know
somebody got a gun. Man, chill, nobody had a gun.
Let's leave it there.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
What is what is the skin regiment? Because brother, Push,
I'm sitting.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
Here, Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
I've never seen the inside of somebody look.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
So smooth like that. Like what you.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Do?

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Is the diet?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Like?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I think I think it's working out.

Speaker 12 (53:45):
I don't know if it's no.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
The die is that their diets or diet? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Is that your.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
Diet is it like, what isn't I think, you know,
we work out every day, you know, and we enjoy that.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
I think that's fine, watching what you eat, you know.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
I think I think we are the first generation in
our family, you.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Know, reading labels and calorie counts and proteins and stuff
like that. So maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I don't know that skin is crazy song.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Your skin too? All?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
All right?

Speaker 6 (54:27):
He produced every song?

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I feels like.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
He took like a more when when he produces for
it's more like a minimalist approach.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I think it's a direct approach.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, I think it's it's.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
I think it has a lot to do with our
vocals being instruments and treating it, treating the vocal like
a real instrument, like.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
You know, versus like overproducing so much.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
There's so much this this centered around the word. You
know what I'm saying when it comes to us that
you have to let that breathe. And I think he
takes that that direction.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
How does that change your well? How did that challenge
your pin or delivery?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (55:14):
Everything is about the raps anyway. It's always been about
the raps. But I don't got a production bone in
my body. So I ain't never gonna be able to
lean on it, but so much, you know, I think
I think that I think there's a standard that just
comes with the writing. He just knows that it sounds
best minimal with us cutting through.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So when the beat changes on a record, like with
the record that, do you ever say that's why it.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Was him, That's why he was on it. He he
asked for two eights.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
Bro.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
It was like, yo, I got this change, give us
two eights. When we heard the be we was like, oh,
that's for Noads. I mean and just you know, just
knowing like you just know that that no, that that
is that he was in a.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Queen's bag of whatever, that was whatever was inspiring him
at the time. I was like, man, that was that
was for Homie.

Speaker 11 (56:05):
I know d clues involved to right, Yeah, talk about
in the project.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Again, man, clue was he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
What happened was, you know, just again making the records, going.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Through the records. Uh.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
We actually stole clues drops from like just awful old
mixtapes because.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
We just felt that it fit.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
And you know, when he heard it, he was like, no,
I got to redo these the.

Speaker 9 (56:33):
Book, the studio, booked the studio, and he had to
he reconfigured everything he did and did it live. But
it was just some of those records kind of sparked
that nostalgia. And you know when when when we're in
the moment, you know whether it's a for real you know,
if you hear Farrell singing the hook or you know,

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we wanted the hook that he's not going to stay on.
We gotta kind of finish it just to see what
it feels like. So we stole the drops.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
And once Clue heard it, he you know, did it properly?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Talk about the Cousins Festival you got going on.

Speaker 9 (57:09):
In Virginia, oh Man Cousins Festival. Cousins Festival is August thirtieth.
It is the best time. It's Labor Day weekend and
it is it's an indoor, an outdoor festival, you know
outdoor you have a Cousin's Festival stage. It's like all
the DJs, you got, backyard band, you got man you know,

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drug food trucks. It's it's clue as. It's clue As
is envy. It's a DJ booth.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Ye yeah, we need just there.

Speaker 9 (57:46):
And then on the inside we have as as the
as the day goes on, we have an inside. We
have a show and that's gonna be g z T
Pain Little Kim.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
And it's like it.

Speaker 9 (57:59):
Is the best one day festival time of of of of.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Labor Day weekend in Virginia.

Speaker 8 (58:07):
Why don't you perform at the festival though, because this
is the second anyone.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Right, yeah, this is the second one.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Why don't you perform at your festival?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (58:16):
Well, actually we have a show already booked, so we
ruined it. No, not the day of, not the day of,
but you know, it just it just didn't make sense.
And you know, this is this is really about we
take real polls, like yo, who y'all want to see?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You know, we just last year.

Speaker 9 (58:35):
Yeah, last year was Rikabad Larry June, lion babe host
of d j's Jermaine, you know, and this year, you know,
this year we stepped it up a notch.

Speaker 11 (58:46):
The show you got already booked is at the tour'll
go work game, yes, sorry about that?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah yeaheah, yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I didn't say it, Kevin. It's all good, man, it's
all good.

Speaker 9 (59:05):
I mean, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that we're
going out there with Earth Game. Those guys are awesome
and I feel like the show is going to be incredible,
Like twenty five dates, twenty.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Five dates, you know game hand for a little bit,
you know, man.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
I didn't know that. Oh wow, crazy.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I's got a couple more questions, man, how is your
journey as a pastor your spiritual journey?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Why does a pastor? No, I'm not, I could, I
could be.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I'm not a pastor for.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
Your spiritual journey?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
How is that helping you navigate this current climbing and
hip hop but also this current journey to clips wrong?

Speaker 7 (59:46):
It helps me with my journey through life with everything,
I feel like I actually don't know how you can
do it without God anything. Let all things be done
decently and in order, And no matter what you're doing,

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you need to have the Word of God with you,
even if it's only to help you in understanding things
around you that you can't change, you know, to have peace, uh,
in peace with yourself. So it's everything to me. God,
God is everything to me first and foremost. And that's
not that's not cliche. Like I need Jesus, like I

(01:00:29):
need water and food.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
It's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Yeah, well, what's what's the song on the new album?
You think people are gonna completely misinterpret?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
I don't know. I don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
You know what I'm saying, I don't I don't know.
It could be the whole album.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, let's get into a join of the album. What
y'all want to hear? Not the two joints i've been
playing fight?

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Oh yeah, let's get into that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You got to send that to me, please.

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
Already?

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Or do birds on sing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, birds on sing?

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Sure?

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
That's powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Well, I appreciate you bubbs for joining.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Us, man, thanks for having thank you, thank you very
much on y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
But we're gonna have to wait another fifteen years or.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Nah, no, no, I don't think so okay, Yeah, let's
just say it. I don't know, y'all just so happy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah, that's why when I said the safe space thing, like,
I can really see that, I can see how this
is like a divine protection all together having an individual
when y'all together.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
You can I'm with that. I'm with that, I feel
that I see that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Yeah, and this is just that ch'a would question how
many people still think y'all twins everybody, okay, you growing up,
I was like, they are twins. I will I will
all get people down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Because they was right from down the street.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I'm from Baltimore, you know they right there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
But I got family in Virginia, and I was even
telling the Virginians, yo, they're twins.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Were just like, no, they not, so my bad.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Okay, but people do say that it wasn't everybody exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Let's get into the record one last thing.

Speaker 8 (01:02:05):
Is there ever a problem you say, like I'm not
going there or push it, Like if Push is going
to a spot a strip club to host it or
he's going to strip like that, I'm not doing that, yo.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Everybody keeps putting you in the strip club.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
For every.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
In the strip club, I usually don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I mean my book, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Yeah, work is work, work is work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
It's clips its morning. Wake that ass up in the morning.
Breakfast club.