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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a waiting click, yours up the Breakfast Club
finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is d J n V, Jess, Hilary, Charlamagne, the
guy we are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Law La Ros is here as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's that? What's that?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
How you feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How you doing that right now?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm good, bro, I'm good. Back of the roll Back
on tour. Yeah, on tour right now, Moose Wings. You
know what I'm saying. The new ep out on tour,
it's been amazing. I won't say you're want to start
right now? You shook that man saying that man front.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Of you the other day, but he said what he said, Jess,
that can beat him universe.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, I mean you know he had that.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know he had to be on music.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I ain't talking about singing. I'm not talking about like this.
I'm not talking about singing vocally. Yes, music, you think
they lost his mind?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You ain't let him on that stage, was going to
have and.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah you said I didn't let him on stand wanted
to do right not there? You can ask ray Je
what happened backstage? I was like, yo, let's do it.
Let's make it happen. He was like, nigga, shrink me.
Just just I don't care what you do, just don't
just just make it happen. I'm like, I didn't even
know he was gonna be there bad.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
They didn't let him on stage. It wasn't me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That's not story, Reje story was. I wanted to do
the verses right then tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Out of all people, you trust Red's story. Damn you
trust Rege story people. I don't know. I don't know.
I didn't know what was happening back there, like it
was a plan and then it did happen. So you
know what, you know each other again.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I know why they keep sleeping on.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You, why they keep sleeping on me.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Vocally, hold on, you said, hold on? We got he did.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
He said what he said, three and the possible.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I don't think you can fuck with.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
You crazy about ten six.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, that's that's kind of crazy, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
But by the way, one he said one song for one.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Song, and he said new music because he can only
do run songs that really like really like people be like,
that's a strong because versus you got It's like it
gotta be strong. You gotta have some strong it's not
you know that, it's not a joke. If you're going
with the right you're going against the right person. You
gotta have strong records. People people you don't know how
they're gonna be feeling that day. They might want the
song one day. One day it might be like that's
(02:29):
better what people aren't consistent.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
But you can do one of those three times because
technically definitely, but he only got one wish and then
but you can do it three times and then you
no for sure he got got Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Bro, he got a couple of records, bro, Bro, and
then what but like they're not timeless, classic records that
make you feel like it's just a different Just stop
taking me out of these conversations, bro. Honestly, I gotta
stop taking out of these conversations. You know what I'm saying.
I get passionate and about it and I love all
my peers. Well, like you know what I'm saying, The
internet shit is the Internet shit?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Like whatever?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
But like y'a, I got to put me in different conversations.
But I get I get that, you know. During my hiatus,
like I've had to prove, like remind people that yo,
like I really God put me in this because the
gift is really there. My persistence and my ability to
continue to push and continue to put out music is
still there. My passion is still there. I'm still hungry,
(03:27):
you know. I take it serious, you know, but I
think some people are like Internet, have fun on the Internet,
and then some people really take it serious. I'm one
of those that take I.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Think people forget because of your hiatus, right, And the
reason I say that because I forgot and we went
on to that and shit, we went on like an
R and B tool and I DJ for Mario doing
that tool. Fact, and when you understand when we're playing
six songs in those deck, fifteen thousand, arena is singing
them six songs, but.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Only because we only got fifteen minutes. We would play
more music. But yeah, go ahead and say.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But the six songs, you understand, It's like, oh, I
get it there, and that's why you said it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm like the other day when he was playing, I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot that. Oh yeah, I did forget that one.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah yeah, now it happens. I think it's natural, you know.
I saw your interview with Mike the other day, I
was like, Yo, it was a great interview because he
made some good points about people forget you know, you
got to remind people. And I think that it's just
the way of the Internet as well as just like
this this new world of like everybody's receiving stuff so fast,
and it's like, if you don't put music out for
six months, nigga, you where you've been at, you know
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what I'm saying. But for us as artists, a six months,
that's that's a small campaign. It might take, especially in
R and B, it might take six months for people
to even though you got a joint, that's that's heating up,
you know. But that's just a part of the process.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You've been against. You were a teenager.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
What's something the grown version that you had to unlearned
from the young version of you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
A lot of things, bro, But I would start with,
you know, not falling in love with my creation, meaning
you know, when when you create music and you put
it out the world, you gotta let it go. You know.
You got to let the people that connect with the
music and connect with what you're doing connect with it,
and you got to keep creating like keep creating, don't
pigeonhole yourself to oh you got to make another hit
(05:13):
like let Me Love You, you gotta make it. It's really just
about evolving, bro, because there's so many other things that
happening in life as to why the music sound the
way it does now. Right, mood Swings is a completely
different vibe from Glad You Can, which I released just
a year ago, completely different energy, work with completely different people.
My my creativity is in a different place. So really
just being free in the creative process because we're in
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a world now where it's about exploring. I was talking
to one unexact yesterday and we were talking about, you
know how different the game is even for labels, Like
labels now have to play a different game. If they're
not in the game of having a movie sinks their songs,
sing the movie their songs, you know, as many places
as possible that they own. They're not going to have
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the lion share sometimes, you know, so it's like you
have to tech even like, you know, investing in different things.
Even though Doctor Dredam they already did that, right. They
was like, Yo, we want to show you all how
to get this music money. But we want show you
how to also have some headphones and some speakers, and
so it's just about being as versat though mentally as
possible so that all these other opportunities can attract you.
That's where I'm at now.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Are you like picking up the phone and calling where
you're going through the process of like I gotta re
remind people or I'm trying to make this sound different
than that and not chase that record. But ego wise,
like there has to be a part of Mario that's
like this has to be big because I'm Mario, Like
who coaches you through those battles?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Coaches me? Just a god?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Honestly, God, I'm gonna be honest with you because you know,
I think a lot of people that's around me every
day they just believe in me. You know, they're they're
they're believe they get they tell me real shit, but
they believe in me, and it's like they understand how
strong I am mentally. But that's no person that I
call to ask advice about those types of things, because
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I think that my journey is my journey and I
just have to trust God and I gotta trust the
people that I entrust creatively, right so when I went
to the studio to start mood Swings, me and my
boy Dre More, who I met through one of my managers,
ak with three six five. We've been on each other
for years, Like he did a bunch of future records,
but he never hopped into his R and B back.
He's always wanted to. I say, Yo, let's less less like,
(07:16):
I want to hop into this darker, moodier part of
me as an R and B artist that's like moody
and still musical and R and B, but just like
more authentic. And so he was like, Yo, let's get
in a studio, let's go, and it was it was
like working with a friend. Is somebody that you go
over their house, they come over your house. You know,
they kids, you know they family, but y'are both really
young ghosts. It's different than working with somebody that's like,
(07:38):
I'm a fan of your music. I've always want to
work with you, but I don't know where you live,
I don't know you know what you're into us. It's
a different thing and the foundation is there, so that
to me and I trust the team that I work
with and we just make the music that we love.
We going to studio. We might go in a studio
and play verses with ourselves, like yo, you play your
favorite five records ever, and I'm gonna play mine against
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yours and that inspires to get the studio session started.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But you won't do that though.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'm trying to. They don't want no smoke with me
on any level. He knows that's why he got to
always you know, he's a major troller. Though It's like,
how do you how do you how do you execute
a major troller? Even if you execute him, he gonna
come back from.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The dead.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Undertake it did not take it personal?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
What did you realize that? And not take a personal
real nigga ship, because it's different from like and I
had other people that like hit me really got on
some really some sissy ship. But like ray J, like
like we we talk, you feel me. So it's like
he can say some wild ship and I might say
some wild ship the next day. But it's like he's
a major troller, so he gonna go deep in the
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quicksand whereas I got this ship go on, I'm on
tour right now. It's like, you know what I'm saying,
ain't gonna go that deep in the quicksand but yeah,
it's whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Mario was mad too.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
He was pissed off.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It is like he.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Was, you know, it's crazy. Can I be honest? Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, no, honesty is that all we were doing is have
a conversation about things y'all have, but nobody don't really
talk about it all the way. We're just having a
conversation the same ship everybody do. People in the comments
actually went crazy on everybody else spoke about or answer
the question about. Then I did like you giving niggas
(09:23):
too much grades and it's like, damn is it that serious?
Why is it that serious?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Because you're an artist can actually And I'm sure they
looked at like that Mario dope and ship, but he
don't feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's crazy, Like everybody got strengths and weaknesses, like if somebody,
if somebody can dance, they ass off and they asked
somebody question like yo, who the who out of these
people gonna ask who can dance and who can't? Let's
just say always on that he was like, yo, can
Mario danced? He was like miss I would laugh, I
would laugh. I would be like, damn, he right, because
(09:57):
I don't because that's the But they know him for dancing, right,
they know that's his craft, right, So that's you know,
it's just niggas take shit too serious. Bro.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
So y'all haven't spoken since he said he's not gonna
do no more songs with you or any collapse with you.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I seen him at the Ebony event and we were
sitting at the same table.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah that's what. I was literally right next to y'all.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, I don't know what he did when when it
was recording all.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
That so the time, so okay.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
One after that, I don't see him after that anything him. Yeah, okay,
because I'm like, he's saying nothing to me about it.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
If I really feel some type of listen everything I love,
if I really feel some type of way about something,
somebody said, I'm gonna pull him to the side something
I might not say that from everybody. I'm gonna figure
out a way to get it off my chest. I
didn't know. I had no idea he felt some type
of way about about that. You know what I'm saying.
I've had days where I've been hitting miss Nigga on stage.
(10:51):
I don't always hit every note the same every night. Like, nigga,
let's be real. We gotta be real. I have fun
and like not take it too serious. Bro, Listen, we
were young black, We are opportunity. We still hear bro
twenty four years later, like we still here is a blessing.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But what do you feel?
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Like?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Mark mood swings, right, so you up and down on that.
This is like move love angry.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's a mixture of like love, you know, It's really
a conversation. It's a conversation. When I started mood Swings,
it was just about nineties R and B vibes. And
when I think of the word mood swings, I think
of nineties R and B. I think about two thousands
of R and B and I'm like, Yo, how do
we take that feeling and like update it? And this
(11:37):
was like the approach, And then I would have, like
a couple of Dre Mornen executive produced it. We're with
a lot of great producers are here. But yeah, the
conversations are different. And also the textures of what I
singing is different. Like I got a song called fortune
Cookie in there that I've never spoken like this before.
But the actual texture of the way I'm using my
voice a song called Moan. Same way, I'm giving you
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different moves of who I am as an R and
B artist, How I think about intimacy, how I think
about love, and just you know, just talking my shit. Honestly,
fortune cookie damn man with Asian women, that's crazy. It
wasn't an Asian woman. It's just it's just women in general.
I think women are like fortune cookies, bro. Like, you know,
it's like you never know what you're gonna get if
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you really dive in and really get to know a
woman on those more intimate levels, you know. And it's
something that I've always prided myself phon wone getting to
know somebody. I'm in a relationship now, and I'm still
learning my girl. I'm still learning like how to unlock
certain parts of her and and you know, how to
make her feel safe in moments where I'm not around,
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and like, just so many elements to having a relationship
with a woman, whether you're just a friend or whether
you're in something deep like I am. It's just you
never know what you're gonna get. You gotta crack the open.
A fortune Cookie, obviously, record goes a little deeper into
something like that more intimate shit, but like, yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
How did your girlfriend deal with all of the like
being Mario's girlfriend? Everything it's public? Like when you post
to her, there's like such a big response because they're like,
she's not a black woman, Like how she deal with
seeing stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think that she she's a very like analytical person
like me, Like she dives into things to understand the
psychology behind it and like like what's the what what
does it really mean? She understood to a certain degree,
but she's also human, you know. So we've had conversations.
She's like I clap back at people. Before she clapp
back at a couple of people, I'm like, yo, just
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don't don't even don't let it, you know. And then
once that first initition would happened, she was like, oh, okay,
I get enough. And I told her, you know, it's
it's one of those things where people until they understand
that you got something real, people hate you before they
love you, you know what I'm saying sometimes and that
and that they don't even have to know you, right,
but then there's a lot of support I don't want.
And I think sometimes the internet, like the dark and
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the ugly shit get more highlighted than the love. Right
even with me, sometimes I see all these love you know,
I love what you're doing. We know you love black women,
we know, and then at one or two comments that's
like dark, You're like, you know, and that's just human nature, right,
So we just work and do it together. It's my
first like real public relationship in this way, whereas though,
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like the picture, we were going on vacation for my
birthday and we had took some pictures that she posted
a picture of her pregnant on her page before I did.
But her page is probably like babe, nobody's gonna say.
I'm like, babe, I'm go ahead right next thing, you
know is you know. So I was trying to tell
her like you know, but I was I'm not ashamed
of it. So it's like, yo, go ahead and do
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your thing. And so it was beautiful, Like I'm really
proud that I'm able to say, out of all the
men in my family, especially on my mom's side, like
that I can give my son something that I didn't have.
You know, when he touches, when he incarnates on his planet,
he's going to have a different life than I had.
I'm proud of that, you know, and the growing pains
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of being an artist who's now more open with his life.
I should have did this seven years ago, ten years ago,
but now I'm being more open. So this is the
part is the part of it. You got to go
through it. I'm ready, come on, iratulations to you real quick, girl.
I want to give you your flowers. I'm so proud of you, Jess.
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I'm so proud of you. Know where we come from.
You know, you're raising a young king, you got another
baby that you just had, You're married now get married
now like you're doing your thing, and I'm proud of you.
You know what I'm saying. I love you and I'm
proud of you. You know what I'm saying. I just
wanted to say that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Do you what do you feel Mario the man has
grown the most compared to Mario the Artist.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think that I've been able to shadow working myself
on a more honest and authentic level than I have before,
because not just because I'm about to be a father,
but because I see I see the world around me
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changing in ways that I'm like when things get out
of control, if you can't always control how your environment
is going to what's going to happen in the environments
around you. Because when you're an artist, things happen around you.
You have to be exposure. If you want to have success,
you got to be out here, right, And so it's
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really important for me to have controlling myself on a
deeper level and control of my emotions and control of
my how I view the world, how I view people,
how I view my relationships with people, getting better at
relationship building because I wasn't good at that as a
young kid and as a young adult, and so just
really doing that shadow work, bro, and also becoming a
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better friend to people that I consider important in my
life instead of being like closed off or being like, okay,
I can't trust nobody, like I'm not opening up to
like having a little bit more grace and understanding that, Bro.
With greatness comes the opportunity for leadership. And with the
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opportunity for leadership, you're able to actually see the world
from a different space when you take on that role
of being vulnerable and being a leader, which means coming
up with solutions, right, and it could be anything that
could be in work, It could be in your personal life,
it could be for your family, it could be for free.
And I think that that's something that God blessed me
with experiences to get through so that I can help
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people come up with solutions, you know. And it could
be small things, Bro. Somebody could call me one day
and be like, Yo, I'm going through this. You know
what I'm saying. I just made my first you know,
twenty thousand dollars, Bro, my first time, Like, well, how
should I woo woo? It's like those small things. I
fucked up money before I know how to. I could
give you advice on that. If I can't give you
advice on something, I know somebody who can. Just being
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more open and vulnerable about life, man, and knowing that
everybody's not out to hurt you, you know, and that
comes from growth and doing shadow work.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
When you first did your shadow work, did your shadow
self scale.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It scared me when I felt like people weren't respecting
the work that I was doing myself, and that triggered me.
It was like, what the fuck is the purpose of
doing it? If nobody cares and they still gonna judge
you they still And it realized, like, yo, Bro, it
doesn't matter if people don't see the work that you're doing.
You can't change their perspective. You can't change how people
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see things because they can only understand things on the
level that they're experiencing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I was reading this book called the author's name is
called Power Versus Force if you ward of that, But
it's really good, and it basically talks about life by
way of calibration. Like it's from zero to six hundred, right,
so you can have a conversation with your homie about
running down on somebody that might be calibrated at like
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a ten or twenty. But then you can have a
conversation about growth and health and building, community building, and
that's calibrated at like a four to fifty five hundred.
And it just talks about how these things affect your body,
how to affect your mind. And I got it from
this chiropractor. But he doesn't do regular chiropractor work. He
does like spiritual chiropractic work. Whereas though he finds where
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your traumas are, you know, where you're lying to yourself,
where you're not being honest. On the first time I
worked with him, he brought me He does it like
in his backyard. He lives in la And then he
was like, he said, hold both your arms out. He's like,
I'm gonna ask you a question, and you could choose
to tell me the truth or tell me a lie.
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The one where I lied on him, my arm got weak,
like literally didn't mind bushit. It was like if it
was like and I knew I was lying. And then
the one where I told the truth, it was like
my arm was steady, it was strong, and I was like, damn,
that's crazy. You don't think that like your body and
your mind and how everything worked, like the truth, even
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if it's ugly, it's more powerful than a lot. And
I mean, you could take that in so many different ways.
But I would like to think that I want to
live in a in a space where I can live
as much truth as possible and the lies aren't as
that I tell myself. You know what I'm saying. So
I don't know. All of that stuff is just a
part of my journey.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Now. You talked about the try it. You get that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Better than I.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
We talked about the hiatus.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
For most that don't know, during that time, which is
a long time, what was Mariel doing during that time.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, man, you know I was exploring. I was exploring
so many things in life, like just really trying to
understand what it was all, what the purpose was, you know,
what's the purpose of relationships, what's the purpose of family,
What's the purpose of me being an artist? What's the
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purpose of it? Or why am I here? You know?
What is religion? What is all these things?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
What is fear? What is trauma? What is you know,
why do people choose addiction over going to get help
and really fighting through it? Because it's such a strong
like it's such a strong intention. Like when people are
addicted to something like they will go through anything to
get that fix. You know, how do you transmit that
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into something towards something you want to build for yourself
in life? How do you transmit that to your family
and love all life? So it really just started studying
understanding like human behavior right now. I started there and like,
you know, wanted to understand, you know, what was hell?
What is heaven? You know? What is all of this?
Because I got thrown in at such a young age
that I wasn't able to process the death of my grandmother.
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I wasn't able to process being adopted. I wasn't able
to process now you're an artist, now you're moving around,
now you're in this world. I wasn't able to process
that and enjoy the process. Like maybe a lot of
other younger artists. I don't know their process, but sometimes
they look happier, right, So I think that at that
time of like, after let me love you, after going
on to our Destiny's Shout, after all these things, it
was like bro, I moved back home and then I
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went through another dark moment and I was like, yeah,
I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Left.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's when my process of like getting through everything started,
like processing it, putting it all on the table, being confused,
being hurt, being in the dark, not having nobody around me,
and it just brought me closer to myself and brought
me closer to God. And that's what I started to
realize that life and cycles and time and space and
all of it is, it's all happening all at once, right,
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and you know you really just got to like pull everything,
pull all the fragments back in, and then balance it out,
release what you like, releasing truly releasing it. For me,
it was a twenty six day fast where I released
so much. You know, man, I cried on nights, I
had cold sweats on nights. I was seeing things, hearing things.
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I was really like traveling through these different portals of
everything that I've been hiding from. And that's what kind
of brought me back. And then after that, so I
had met this doctor named Dhoti and Calli and him
made these organ cleansing tablets and I was taking those
and I was doing it during this time. It was
(23:17):
a popular fast, but most people were doing it for
like three to five days. I did it for twenty
six days. Cayenne, you know, honey, lemon? Uh? What else?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Ginger? And yeah, it was a lot back, but I
took it for I was like, yo, once I got
to like my second my first week, I was like, nah,
this is I feel too. The first week, after the
first five days those the next two days you feel great.
Then you feel like shit for like three days. Then
you feel empty. Now your your skin is tingling and
(23:50):
you're hearing like things that the highest capacity, and you're
the light. You could see things clear, like it's just everything.
I wasn't sleep. I was only sleep for like three
hours before I couldn't sleep long and I have so
much energy. And so then I was like, okay, who's
the person? Like what how does food affect you? Then
I started studying what I was feeling. I was like,
how does food affect your mind? How does food affect
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your energy? How does it affect your sleep? And I
was realizing like, damn, we overeat in this country, and
like I'm like, yo, we really we eat emotionally. We
eat when we feel, you know, out of a breakup,
We eat when we horny and we don't get none.
We eat like you know, so consumption right, And so
then I started really diving into like why physical, mental,
(24:36):
and spiritual consumption all leads to your decisions, all leads
to what you're attracting your life, how you attract things,
and it affects everything in your life. So I went
down that road for years of just like being becoming
a mystic and studying different things and not being afraid
to be judged by people during that time, if you
were practicing and working with chrystals. I was doing this
(24:56):
in two thousand and eleven twelve when it wasn't cool,
you know, and I just wasn't talking about it. I
didn't share it because my journey was different. And yeah,
So I did that for years, bro, and then I
decided I'm like, okay, I'm ready to start making music again.
Like I think I'm ready to start. And the first
(25:19):
record I released out of that, I think was Somebody
Else with Nikki that is my yeah shit, yeah it
was like that one in fatal distraction. Fatal Yeah, fatal distraction.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, that makes so much sense beause the shadow work
gives you greater self awareness because it helps you understand
a lot of your blind spots that you might not
even have been aware of.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Man, it's a real thing. It's so true, bro, and
it's like you got it. It's almost like you gotta
forgive yourself because you Sometimes we can do the work,
but then we still haven't really forgiven ourselves. We still
haven't really been like, Yo, tell your younger self, I
love you. Forget you know, forgive yourself for the people
that may have hurt you. I'm still working through it, bro.
(26:00):
They don't stop, Bro, you don't. The truth is, it
never stops because we live in a space where we're
constantly reminded of our past.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
You know what I'm saying, That's the first thing that
came to mom when I heard you talk about all
this work you were doing, because I watched you on
Camp's podcast Monkey Friday, Yeah, and hearing you talk about
a lot of things I didn't know it, like your
mom and your adoption, and like you never had the
time to kind of make amends with all that stuff
because you were famous at fourteen. Yes, So what was
Mario saying to or I guess twelve eleven year old
(26:27):
Mario during the time where you got.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Away from everybody, like, don't know what your younger self.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I didn't know how to speak to my youngest stelf then,
So I wasn't really speaking to my younger self at
the time. I was more so processing what I was
trying to understand and like doing the work of at
least getting to a point where I could actually look
at it and see it from a different perspective in
terms of like the science of it and the actual
(26:54):
work of it, Like why do I make the decision?
Why do people make the decisions? Where am I lacking
at for me not to be able to be happy today?
What is this thing I'm holding on to? Right? So
I had to work through that first, I think that
talking to my younger self, it's gonna happen more. Even
when my son is here right being able to understand
(27:20):
give him the thing. I think he's gonna help my
I'm not like putting it on him to help me,
but I think being a dad will also help me
work through my younger my issues with my younger self,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That makes the world.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Man, It's it's like, man, God, it's so amazing because
you've done the work.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You're doing the work. But God didn't even.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Allow you to have your first child until you was
a much more healed, clear version of yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Man, that's crazy bro's eye. Consciously obviously, just like I
didn't want a child yet and I did certain things
to make sure I didn't have a joy yet. But
what you're saying is so true. And you know it's
one day. Story can the plot they can't there, But
like that's one of the things me and.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
My girl talk about all the time. Was like, yo,
like I.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Knew I loved her and I knew I felt safer.
I knew we knew each other for a long time.
We knew a lot of things about each other, but
it was all God when it came to her actually
conceiving like it was all God, bro. And it's like
I feel this energy already, like we both pray, pray
about our lives. It's amazing, Bro, it's amazing. I'm excited
about it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
How is healing shape? The man you are to.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Gave me more confidence. It gave me more confidence being
an artist that you know, took time away and making
a resurgence doing this digital crusade, you know, gave me
so much confidence on who I am as a person.
I don't think that there's anything that could happen and
these phones are online that could change or make me
(28:54):
want to be anything other than myself and have my
found day. Shouldn't be strong for the things that really matter.
And I think that that is why God put me
through all of these different obstacles, is there's there's a
bigger column on my life that I'm tapping into that's
so multi dimensional in terms of like even the things
(29:15):
that I'm into now and the things that I'm attracting
and the people, for example, you know, investing in Redemption Bank,
who is which was founded by Britanice King and Ashley Bell,
and they're great people. Who have a great vision for
our community. But just you know, financial literacy in general.
(29:38):
I've been learning so much and just really wanting to
be a part of changing the narrative for us, you know,
as you know, there's so much work to be done.
You know, you've been in a room with a lot
of people who understand what needs to be done, and
so just wanted to be a part of something bigger.
So God's been preparing me for that, right, So that's
what I'm saying. When we have these conversations about music,
I'm like, Yo, it's it's so funny because my day
(30:00):
to day life is nat It's so far from that
in terms of the conversation that people I talked to.
But I get it. It's just that we haven't fun
whatever whatever. But yeah, so it's a it's a lot
of work, and I think God's just been preparing me
for it all. Yeah hm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So look.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
You're going to add a comedy component.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yo, Listen, we could put something together. And I know
it was talking about during it during the pandemic, you
were talking about some stuff and you had.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
A great idea, and I wish I would have like
hone in on it, like I wish I would have
jumped on it. You had an idea to do, like
I think it was like comedy virtually, like where people
because it was something.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
It was so smart. And then I see somebody else
doing I'm like, damn you, Mario.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You'll put me.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Try to put me on to that like five years ago.
Good listen, just you naturally listen, like Mike was saying,
like it's some people who wake up and just funny. Bro.
Like you different, Yes, you're different, Like you know what
I mean, days like having fucked up days and all
your pages come on and that just changed my whole ship.
Like you different, like you you're literally one of I
(31:07):
think you're one of the young goats, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like keep doing that ship, like I
know you hustling it, but like tap in, like you
really wanted them for real.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Like I think about all the people who had good
days and you clown them and.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Think that it's a part of it.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Though, I just want you to think about all aspects.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I feel like true comedy comes from truth though, like
real comedy come from truth, it does, and depending on where.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You're from Yo.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
People don't understand the Baltimore. They just think we're just
straight all aggressive.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Nah, for sure, you know what I'm saying, We'll be
saying it that they think about. And I think that
that's like that's the thing. You know, We're gonna always
get the you know, the backlash we say ship that people.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
That's why it was so many people that got mad
at you and Cam.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Answer you them questions, yeah, man, it's yeah. That interview
was interesting. Man, it was interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
But did you have fun? Though?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Not all the way Honestly it was cool, but then
it just got to the point where like he wasn't
being real about ship and it wasn't fun no more.
Now now I'm like, you're not being even you're talking
so much about your own life. And I with him, right,
but it was just everybody. So it was just moments
where I was like, Yo, you're not being real like
a cool I see what this is. Yeah, I like, listen,
(32:20):
fuck with came real quick, just said that you can
remember all the moments. It's too many.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Just said one time your actually going in and out Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
You're talking to me about the Ebony's not it?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Do it? And I get.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Get madmore and then I forget what I asked you
about and it was like and I was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
From there because I haven't heard it this interview. That's
why I've been living.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I've been living in l A for like fifteen years now.
So ship just if I go home for two weeks
said when he gets it's crazy when he gets upset
about something that ship.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They're trying to get mad. Look definitely don't at all
some question, right, but but.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It I'm mad at you for kicking the cameraman off stage.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was kind of crazy because
that's your time to before you don't know what this
DoD is on stage.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I think that it was just people not used to
seeing me like that, bro, like mad, yeah, like you.
So it's like I try not to get mad, bro,
because when I get mad, I get mad, you know
what I'm saying. And then it's like I'm like, it
takes a lot to get me mad, right, So when
I get there, hopefully I don't want it to be
seen ever, Like I don't want people to see that
(33:37):
side of me, like and it's not like I'm not human,
I just it can get taken out of context, which
it did, right, So I'm gonna tell the story officially
here on Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
They hit us for this.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Fair I'm like, okay, it's close to LA. We'll take
the spring up. Go up there, due it, knock it out,
we come back to the crib, right, cool. Family only
say all right, cool Lloyd, a couple of us, let's
do it. I get to my shows usually if it's
Souls with other people, I get there like like when
we're doing a drink, not to gett like ten fifteen
minutes before, because I don't like sitting in the dress room.
I get assy, like man, So no one told me
(34:13):
that a camera man was going to be on stage
at all. So when I go on stage, I'm performing
and I keep seeing a figure around and the stage
is pretty big. If I keep seeing a figure and
I'm like okay, then when I saw him for the
first time, I'm like, damn. Then he jump up from
because he didn't have a camera, bro, he had an
iPhone on a joint. Go look at the video. So
(34:33):
I'm like, he must have jumped from out of the crowd.
He came on my irony trip or whatever. He over
there but then he got comfortable and on the stage,
they got they had too many speakers. They have more
speakers because usually every artist get to say what they
wanted the stage to be. Like, they left the other
artist speakers on the stage, so it was more speakers
than were supposed to be. So I'm looking for where
he about to go, and I tripped one time over
(34:54):
the over court. I ain't say nothing. I'm like, man,
shit crazy, I gotta watch up. Then as I'm walking
back to the right side of the stage, he's all
the way downstage, like near the speaker, like you should
be like further back, like you feel me. And then
that moment is like, Yo, you gotta get the fuck
off the stage. Bro, you didn't already like you get
to It wasn't even like I hate you, nigga, get off,
(35:17):
Like it was just like, nigga, get the fuck off.
I just feel me. It was like that apologized shortly after.
It was hot as a half ass apology. But I
didn't even realize he went on tour. He went on
he went on a press tour about it. So like
I was like, I'm like, bro, you know, let me
just do it. But yeah, that's what happened. He was,
(35:38):
but he was supposed to be there parently and then
you know, but it really was just I didn't know
he had an iPhone. Are we getting any visuals?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, so I'm about to put a video out from Home,
uh in like a week period. Yeah, yeah, it's coming
to visual for Home is coming in. It's fire, It's fire,
It's you know, it's nineties R and B. I'm giving
you our real arm on this project. So and more
to come as well. Moose swings too. More music. Definitely
tapping back into the movie space as well. I'm building
a lot of things behind the scene when new citizens
(36:10):
and the investment side, the creative side, hopefully signing some artists.
I got my eyes on a few. I want to
say it because last time I did, somebody sign him.
But it's just like, yeah, I have a color. It
was this kid. His name is Chosen. I forgot his
last name. His name is Chosen, but like he's super soulful.
(36:30):
I showed you off off off of the joint. But
he got signed by Quality Control, you know what I'm saying.
And we was talking, but yeah he's already been signed
by SO but yeah, super talented but really looking for
like raw talent man that I can help evolve through
this industry, you know, and and understand that, like outside
of music, there's so many other opportunities, right, So generational
(36:52):
wealth like that's that's really what the whole New Citizen
for me represents. You know.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So have you taken your girl to Baltimore? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Bottomore? Like three, she went with me on Thanksgiving one year.
Uh we went to Bottomore, went to Philly Family, Philly, Baltimore.
She from, she's Mexicans from she's from.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Uh, sacrament He got hold on.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
I don't comfortable with hands.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
She got me as well, thank you. But he and Mexican.
I think man's street Mexican. I cannot ask you a questions.
What does it matter? It don't matter, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I just want to know how.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
That your girlfriend is Mexican.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, like doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It don't matter to me. Doctor, She's not that kind she.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Legally yeah, man, everybody legal.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I love.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Love is definitely love.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But but I do like to see black men with
black women. But that that's that's just because that's what.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I feel for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I love to see all of it. I love to
see all.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I want you to be in love if you
love her.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Love is nice, man, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
here if I didn't love her. I wouldn't We wouldn't
be here if we didn't love each other. Pro creating
like this exactly like we're having a beautiful experience right now.
The only you know, the hardest part obviously is always
the traveler, right being away from home, checking in, being like, damn,
if I'm on stage and something's happening and I will not,
I can't get that. You know what I'm saying. It's this,
(38:29):
This has been This has been hard because it's like
things were already in motion, these toys are already playing,
you know. But I get off tour in December, and
I'll be home for all the holidays, So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I don't think you owe anybody an explanation, though. I
think that's it's like, why are you explaining who you love?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
It's not so much explaining who I love is. It's
it's the the narrative of oh Mario doesn't like black
women that I have an issue with, and where this
narrative was created from. That's the thing about the internet.
Is like, you can't just leave that, you know, out
in the air. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
So I'd rather confront it so people understand that it's
(39:09):
a lie and it's it's not true, versus not saying
anything aboudy, which I've done in a couple of interviews
since that interview, you know. But the way he asked
it was so he set me up.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
One of the question.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
The question set up like what's your relationship with black women? Right? No,
that wasn't the first question.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
No, that was like that. He was like, do you
have a problem with black women?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's a wild question.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The way you answered it.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
The way you answered it that we played that clip
here answered it. I don't think it it didn't make
it any worse, but I think it made people try
to find another reason why you don't like.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Black Psychologically, these podcasts and people when people are not
everybody doesn't have the same way they receive things. And
we're dealing with y'all know, we're dealing I ain't got said,
you know, we did a way in the coming, you know,
and so it's like, yes, of course, like I come
(40:04):
from I'm a black man, who comes from a black city,
who comes from the struggles of black people in this country.
So I come from what my course, a lot of
my core fans come from. So of course it's like
if someone says something like do you have a problem,
but the people who never even heard the question will
be like, wait, you got a problem? It's like here, right,
(40:28):
of course, I gotta say. You know what I'm saying,
I'm defending that to say that I love black women
and black women the most beautiful creatures on this planet,
and why do you hate them?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Talk about.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Say?
Speaker 6 (40:42):
I feel like it made people do what he's doing
right now.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Bro, I look for everybody who hates Charlamagne. But where
did you mean? What we met? I met? I met
her in Florida years ago when I was living in Miami.
We met and her mind was living at the time
we met. Well, she was like, we knowing each other
(41:07):
for like for like nine years. You know what I'm saying.
So we've seen each other through relationship. We've been friends
for so long.
Speaker 9 (41:13):
Yeah, it's about your when you talked about your experience,
I had a problem with people having a problem with that,
Like you just talked about you went into it more
you were saying, because yeah, the question was asked, oh
why don't you why do you have a problem with
black women? And you're like, it's not that I don't
have a problem with black women. You talked about your
experience with the black women who was you know where we.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Got to that the questions was just outrageous, Like, I
don't even know, I don't know where these allegations began,
these questions beg That's that's the point. I don't let's
just set this straight. I don't know where they begin,
and they're not I don't hold those like that's for
like clickbait and all that. But when we got around
to speaking about my experience that that came out of
(41:59):
me saying, how could I have hate? Like, it's not
it's not hate. Yes, I haven't had a beautiful experience
as far as like the my story, you know, but
that doesn't lead to hate, bro, that doesn't lead to hate.
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
It's interesting you're right about the questions because I you know,
I'm interviewing you for years.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I've never heard that before. But so when you hear
a question like that, you think yourself.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I'm gonna oh, he has wrong with it, so, you know,
but I think it's just it's a matter of people
getting to know me more, you know. And I'm like, okay,
this is why interviews are important. This is why. And
then when you get to a certain level when you
want to do anything, no more cool because now they
just talking about your music. But you have to have
something in place of that for them to talk about. Right,
So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
You answered the question. Do you think doing the interviews
is even helpful? Because you explained and then they find
another reason.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Then I will say this. I think that there's always
different perspectives based on how you enter the conversation. This
is a different podcast, it's a different platform, her minds,
you know, different energy, like everything is different. I don't mind.
I'm an open book at this point. I don't mind
having conversations. You know, I understand now how to navigate
(43:10):
it better. But you know, you got to go through
the through the mud sometimes. I understand, like, all right, cool,
we got to make sure we stand and stand on
solid girl.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
What you talk about when you talk about your girl
being pregnant and you and something. You can't be there
all the time because you wore tour and things like
that and your first time, dad, and it's like wow, right,
so you don't need this is the first time you're
ever going through this. Are these the times where you
like say, like damn, you wish your mom was here.
Oh my god, You're like, damn, I wish I could
(43:39):
just ask her what the hell I could do?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I wish my mom was here for a lot of things.
I wish my mom was here because she's one of
the realist people I've ever known, you know, mother was.
She's one of those people like anything that she wanted
she could have had. She had a scholarship planning tennis.
She was the number one tennis player in Maryland. You know,
when she was young, she had a chemist she was
(44:06):
a major in chemistry, bachelor's in chemistry. She loved God,
you know, and she was a hustler, so she could
have transmitted that energy into anything. I think that we
would have made a great partnership in business because I'm
I feel like I'm more thorough than I've ever been.
(44:28):
I don't have any plans on not expand, like I'm
expanding it other ways, and I think that she could
have been right here with me. And of course having
another grandmother for my child and having her be a
part of my life. That's I mean, she here the spirit,
but of course I would want that. But you know,
my my girl's mom is an incredible out wailers so far.
(44:48):
You know, she's been there, she's home right now and
making sure she's straight. She's excited about it. You know,
God don't make no mistakes in terms of like you
know what it's meant for you, and how when you
pray for things and you prepare for things, how God
shows up. I think we're blessed you. But yeah, I
would love that.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
After doing the work on yourself that you've done, finding
so many personal answers, did that cause you to have more.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Questions for your mom that you probably didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I've asked a lot of questions, you know. I think
the thing that I've the thing that I've been sending
her love for lately, because you know, is me forgiving
her because spiritually, no one ever really dies, right, the
(45:40):
energy doesn't die, it's just transmuted. So it's like sending
her forgiveness and support, you know, for whatever her soul
may be still struggling with or whatever her next journey is.
I think that that's you know, that's what I do now,
That's what I focus on now, you know, is that
forgiveness for her, forgiving myself and just sending her so
(46:02):
much support and love. Because there's been moments where during
my spiritual journey when she would come visit me, and
you know, anybody who understands the spiritual realm, there's been blockages,
like just when I'm able to, like we're able to,
there's something that comes in between and blocks it. I've
had that happen a lot of times. So I'm like, okay,
so I have there's still something I have to work on.
(46:22):
So the more and more work on it, the closer
and closer I feel that these other entities and things
can't even blocking in the spiritual room because it's so
much power because she has things that she tells me
that I need to know, and when that those blockers,
I can't get those. And so it's a real thing,
and it happens in real life too, you know, with family,
(46:44):
and there's entities that are built out of trauma and
they become their own entities in your life and you
don't work through those things, you can't heal with your
dad or your mom or your sister, or your or
your wife or your whatever, you know what I'm saying.
So that's a real thing, and I think it doesn't
change in the spiritual.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
Bro, do you believe, you know, after doing all this
working on yourself, do you believe your life's purpose is
bigger than music?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
One? Absolutely? Bro, Absolutely, I think that there's a spiritual
side of it. There's a community building side of it.
When I say that, I mean using my relationships to
help build our communities. You know, I've been building myself
back up over these past few years, but now I'm
like branching out to be like, Okay, how can I
use my relationships to make sure in this new world
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that's happening? You know, my people, my community. You know,
we just have a you know, we're put in a
position where people understand our power and understand our unity
in a different way. And it's it's gonna take a
lot of work, but that's like where my head is at.
But also just owning things and being able to be creative.
Like I'm working on a museum right now that I
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don't know exactly where I'm gonna put it yet, but
it's it's gonna be everything sound. I can't say the
whole concept because there's a lot of rich people out
there that can make it suit happen, but like, but yeah,
it's it's gonna be incredible, and then just a lot
of other things. Man, And I feel like it's showing
not only my fans and people who's been watching my
career for a long time, that yo, you can be
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whoever you want to be. And we have always been
some of the most creative beings on this planet and
creating things that's never been created before. This is what
I want to do. That's my goal. And it goes
for everything from music to tech, business, you know, social experiences, restaurants,
all types of things. You know, there's there's a lot
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of things happening, you know, and even writing being an author.
I have like three books that I've written but that
I haven't put out yet because I don't know. Every
time there's a new version of me, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
You gotta go back and chang.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I gotta go back and change.
Have you ever experienced that, like you put out books? Like,
how does that for you?
Speaker 4 (48:47):
I can do that with every single book that I've written.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, you know, go back and change certain.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Yeah, you know, the first book was you know, up
to a certain point in my life.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
So it was these lessons that I learned.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yeah, my second book, I was completely empty because I
asked the doing to work on myself and started to
go into therapy and stuff. So everything I thought I
knew I was like, Yo, I really don't know nothing.
I was just I learned a whole bunch of stuff.
Then my third book, you know, it really came to
me after a plant based experience, you know, with ayahuasca.
I went on the ayahuasca journey and the same thing
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came up for me that came up for you. It's like, yo,
stop lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lives to
other people. So it's like, yeah, every every book has
been a different version of me.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
So that's where I'm at now. Is just like okay,
which which there's all these like versions, all of them
have truth, right, but which ones connected dots to where
I am right now? So that's kind of where I'm
at with that. But yeah, that's it's just I'm just bro.
I'm just ready to continue to grow. You know, music
is my passion. But you know, with that comes all
these other things, more touring, bigger, bigger shows and bigger
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opportunities and just you know, just growing me and my
team growing.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
What what's the message you think men need to hear
today that we don't talk about enough.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
I don't think men applaud out the better things about
each other enough. It's like, you know, if you see
your homie like that've been struggling with something for years
and he he's getting over it or he's trying to
get over it, appalled that, you know what I mean,
(50:19):
showing some love, show him you see that, Like, Yo,
that's shit, cool, bro, like that shit that. I'm inspired,
you know what I'm saying. I think escapism, escaping the hour,
traumas with drugs and you know, maybe nightlife or whatever.
You know, I mean, everybody like to have fun, but
you know, just really like taking like the time to
(50:42):
really take your future serious. You know, sit down for
a minute, like maybe save some bread, Like sit back,
you know what I mean, look at your life, look
at the people in your life, and really analyze, like, Okay,
if if something is calling me to grow, all these
people around me going to help me g go out there.
Part of that part do they want to grow like,
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because we get comfortable with our relationships. And I've I
realized this because I've had so many different people come
in and out of my life and a different parts
of who I am in my life, you know, different
parts of my journey. And sometimes we get scared to
let people go and not let them go as in like, oh,
I don't fuck with you, but just let them go.
Is in't like, Yo, I need this next few much
(51:23):
to myself, bro or sist. You know, I gotta I
gotta level up in life. There's some things that God
is putting on me, you know, and hopefully I can
help you with that, you know, But I just need
some time. And it's not personal. Not everybody gonna take
that well, but sometimes we gotta do that, man, and
then circle the block and be like, yo, I see
things from a different perspective. I don't think we talk
about that enough in terms of it being something real
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that can really change your life. There's a few things, man,
I mean that's yeah, that's just the name of you.
Speaker 9 (51:53):
Yeah, this is real quick. This ain't even no question.
I've always wanted.
Speaker 6 (51:58):
To tell you. You snapped on.
Speaker 9 (52:01):
The cry with appreciate. Man, what that's crazy. He'd be
snapping on these features.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Just thank you. I might put the whole project out
with features just for fun for sure.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
That yeah, you never heard that? Who is Down.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Is a streamer?
Speaker 2 (52:23):
At this point, ray J is coming up this week
show anybody what what.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Would you say to ray J? Would I say to him?
What would you say the ray J? Already man stopped
stop his car for his breaks? Break you know what
I'm saying, like break it? You know what I mean?
But I told you before he ray J, you know
he is. He a troller. He gonna troll. But he
know what time it is, man, he knows. He said
one which is bigger than let me look. But anyway, listen,
(52:49):
I'm on tour right now, nothing but us tour. You
know what I'm saying. We outside New York was amazing.
The energy in New York. You know, we got like
I think like eight more dates. Project Moose Swings is
out right now. Yeah, we were outside, man, I was
that's all about to say. You gotta put me in
different conversations. Like right, I was on Brandy Show like
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two weeks ago. We did last weekend. What we do
before that we did Jonas Brothers, Like, you know, it's
just any stage. I'm on too many stages for ray
j D. Even he can't come on.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
You know, it's up big ship, Big Mario and not
Luigi brother, like stop playing, let's play.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Wait, I'm not a question, yeah question.
Speaker 8 (53:35):
You just did it here and it made me think
of it when you came out at the Brandy and
Monica show.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
You think Brandy but not Monica.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It wasn't even not it wasn't even that type of thing.
Speaker 8 (53:44):
It wasn't even tried to make it a thing on
excellent just say that Brandy, And I'm like, was that
like what?
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Nah? Shout out to Monica. Bro, there's nothing, It's I
came out on Brandy set. You know what I'm saying.
So I was just giving like, yeah, it was nothing.
First of all, Monica is amazing. I love Monica like
me and like every time like like it's something dope
on like she always comment on her. I come like
it's all love, like that's gang. So like, yeah, I
think these narratives. It's yeah. And in the moment, like
(54:12):
when you're on stage, in the moment sometimes you just
like trying to remember everything and be present, like you
know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's nothing. I'm happy
to see both of them on tour, even when I
post it. When I was on the stage, I congratulated
both of them like I gave them both flowers. Yeah,
so people just be taking it out of proportion, man,
trying to make me an R and B villain. Man,
(54:32):
I don't want to now embrace it.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
That one was unfair adel because yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:40):
By the way, about the shadows side though, when you
feel comfortable over.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
There, I'm not trying to embrace that me and I'm
me embracing that. It's different, bro, from it's not. I
don't need like, I don't need drugs to be dark.
I don't need like I don't want to be I
don't want to go there. I did. I don't want
to go there no more. I don't want to go
there because I can't. What if I like it, That's.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
What I'm saying A little. That's the scared part when
you don't want to be there, you know, I feel.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Good, like what if I like it?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
And then it's now I got to create this whole
other thing around me And it's like, nah, bro, I listen,
I got too many blessings in my life right now
to me, things that I'm creating, great partners that are
just like wanting to like invest in things I'm doing.
I too much. This is too much to lose.
Speaker 4 (55:32):
I'm happy for you, brother, I appreciate it. I really
enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (55:36):
Hearing you do the work is good.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
You want yeah, yeah, weide. I just want to make
sure you're missing nothing. Mood swings out right now.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Everybody having mood swings right now, you know, and it's hey, move,
invite the mood swings, balance it out, enjoy it. You know,
Let's get back to love. Let's keep R and B alive, Bros.
R and B is such an important genre, you know.
It allows us to explore love, and it allows us to
explore intimacy, allows us to have fun, and we can
have different conversations in it. It's just it's just all
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encompassing genre. I wouldn't want to pick any other genre.
Moose swings out right now. I don't even know what
to play of it. We could play home, we could
play have y'all heard the EP yet? All right? Cool?
When y'all get a chance press play when you get
back to the crib, that thing.
Speaker 4 (56:23):
But you ad.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Yo play all right, cool cool, let's hear nobody but nobody,
but yeah, yes, the breakfast club is Mario. Hold on,
every day, wake up the breakfast club.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
You don't finish for y'all done.
Every day a waiting click, yours up the Breakfast Club
finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is d J n V, Jess, Hilary, Charlamagne, the
guy we are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Law La Ros is here as well.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's that? What's that?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
How you feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How you doing that right now?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm good, bro, I'm good. Back of the roll Back
on tour. Yeah, on tour right now, Moose Wings. You
know what I'm saying. The new ep out on tour,
it's been amazing. I won't say you're want to start
right now? You shook that man saying that man front.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Of you the other day, but he said what he said, Jess,
that can beat him universe.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, I mean you know he had that.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know he had to be on music.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I ain't talking about singing. I'm not talking about like this.
I'm not talking about singing vocally. Yes, music, you think
they lost his mind?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You ain't let him on that stage, was going to
have and.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah you said I didn't let him on stand wanted
to do right not there? You can ask ray Je
what happened backstage? I was like, yo, let's do it.
Let's make it happen. He was like, nigga, shrink me.
Just just I don't care what you do, just don't
just just make it happen. I'm like, I didn't even
know he was gonna be there bad.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
They didn't let him on stage. It wasn't me.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
That's not story, Reje story was. I wanted to do
the verses right then tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Out of all people, you trust Red's story. Damn you
trust Rege story people. I don't know. I don't know.
I didn't know what was happening back there, like it
was a plan and then it did happen. So you
know what, you know each other again.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I know why they keep sleeping on.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
You, why they keep sleeping on me.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Vocally, hold on, you said, hold on? We got he did.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
He said what he said, three and the possible.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I don't think you can fuck with.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
You crazy about ten six.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, that's that's kind of crazy, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
But by the way, one he said one song for one.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Song, and he said new music because he can only
do run songs that really like really like people be like,
that's a strong because versus you got It's like it
gotta be strong. You gotta have some strong it's not
you know that, it's not a joke. If you're going
with the right you're going against the right person. You
gotta have strong records. People people you don't know how
they're gonna be feeling that day. They might want the
song one day. One day it might be like that's
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better what people aren't consistent.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
But you can do one of those three times because
technically definitely, but he only got one wish and then
but you can do it three times and then you
no for sure he got got Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Bro, he got a couple of records, bro, Bro, and
then what but like they're not timeless, classic records that
make you feel like it's just a different Just stop
taking me out of these conversations, bro. Honestly, I gotta
stop taking out of these conversations. You know what I'm saying.
I get passionate and about it and I love all
my peers. Well, like you know what I'm saying, The
internet shit is the Internet shit?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Like whatever?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
But like y'a, I got to put me in different conversations.
But I get I get that, you know. During my hiatus,
like I've had to prove, like remind people that yo,
like I really God put me in this because the
gift is really there. My persistence and my ability to
continue to push and continue to put out music is
still there. My passion is still there. I'm still hungry,
(03:27):
you know. I take it serious, you know, but I
think some people are like Internet, have fun on the Internet,
and then some people really take it serious. I'm one
of those that take I.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Think people forget because of your hiatus, right, And the
reason I say that because I forgot and we went
on to that and shit, we went on like an
R and B tool and I DJ for Mario doing
that tool. Fact, and when you understand when we're playing
six songs in those deck, fifteen thousand, arena is singing
them six songs, but.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Only because we only got fifteen minutes. We would play
more music. But yeah, go ahead and say.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But the six songs, you understand, It's like, oh, I
get it there, and that's why you said it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm like the other day when he was playing, I'm like, oh, yeah,
I forgot that. Oh yeah, I did forget that one.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah yeah, now it happens. I think it's natural, you know.
I saw your interview with Mike the other day, I
was like, Yo, it was a great interview because he
made some good points about people forget you know, you
got to remind people. And I think that it's just
the way of the Internet as well as just like
this this new world of like everybody's receiving stuff so fast,
and it's like, if you don't put music out for
six months, nigga, you where you've been at, you know
(04:28):
what I'm saying. But for us as artists, a six months,
that's that's a small campaign. It might take, especially in
R and B, it might take six months for people
to even though you got a joint, that's that's heating up,
you know. But that's just a part of the process.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
You've been against. You were a teenager.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
What's something the grown version that you had to unlearned
from the young version of you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
A lot of things, bro, But I would start with,
you know, not falling in love with my creation, meaning
you know, when when you create music and you put
it out the world, you gotta let it go. You know.
You got to let the people that connect with the
music and connect with what you're doing connect with it,
and you got to keep creating like keep creating, don't
pigeonhole yourself to oh you got to make another hit
(05:13):
like let Me Love You, you gotta make it. It's really just
about evolving, bro, because there's so many other things that
happening in life as to why the music sound the
way it does now. Right, mood Swings is a completely
different vibe from Glad You Can, which I released just
a year ago, completely different energy, work with completely different people.
My my creativity is in a different place. So really
just being free in the creative process because we're in
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a world now where it's about exploring. I was talking
to one unexact yesterday and we were talking about, you
know how different the game is even for labels, Like
labels now have to play a different game. If they're
not in the game of having a movie sinks their songs,
sing the movie their songs, you know, as many places
as possible that they own. They're not going to have
(05:56):
the lion share sometimes, you know, so it's like you
have to tech even like, you know, investing in different things.
Even though Doctor Dredam they already did that, right. They
was like, Yo, we want to show you all how
to get this music money. But we want show you
how to also have some headphones and some speakers, and
so it's just about being as versat though mentally as
possible so that all these other opportunities can attract you.
That's where I'm at now.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Are you like picking up the phone and calling where
you're going through the process of like I gotta re
remind people or I'm trying to make this sound different
than that and not chase that record. But ego wise,
like there has to be a part of Mario that's
like this has to be big because I'm Mario, Like
who coaches you through those battles?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Coaches me? Just a god?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Honestly, God, I'm gonna be honest with you because you know,
I think a lot of people that's around me every
day they just believe in me. You know, they're they're
they're believe they get they tell me real shit, but
they believe in me, and it's like they understand how
strong I am mentally. But that's no person that I
call to ask advice about those types of things, because
(06:55):
I think that my journey is my journey and I
just have to trust God and I gotta trust the
people that I entrust creatively, right so when I went
to the studio to start mood Swings, me and my
boy Dre More, who I met through one of my managers,
ak with three six five. We've been on each other
for years, Like he did a bunch of future records,
but he never hopped into his R and B back.
He's always wanted to. I say, Yo, let's less less like,
(07:16):
I want to hop into this darker, moodier part of
me as an R and B artist that's like moody
and still musical and R and B, but just like
more authentic. And so he was like, Yo, let's get
in a studio, let's go, and it was it was
like working with a friend. Is somebody that you go
over their house, they come over your house. You know,
they kids, you know they family, but y'are both really
young ghosts. It's different than working with somebody that's like,
(07:38):
I'm a fan of your music. I've always want to
work with you, but I don't know where you live,
I don't know you know what you're into us. It's
a different thing and the foundation is there, so that
to me and I trust the team that I work
with and we just make the music that we love.
We going to studio. We might go in a studio
and play verses with ourselves, like yo, you play your
favorite five records ever, and I'm gonna play mine against
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yours and that inspires to get the studio session started.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But you won't do that though.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I'm trying to. They don't want no smoke with me
on any level. He knows that's why he got to
always you know, he's a major troller. Though It's like,
how do you how do you how do you execute
a major troller? Even if you execute him, he gonna
come back from.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
The dead.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Undertake it did not take it personal?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
What did you realize that? And not take a personal
real nigga ship, because it's different from like and I
had other people that like hit me really got on
some really some sissy ship. But like ray J, like
like we we talk, you feel me. So it's like
he can say some wild ship and I might say
some wild ship the next day. But it's like he's
a major troller, so he gonna go deep in the
(08:48):
quicksand whereas I got this ship go on, I'm on
tour right now. It's like, you know what I'm saying,
ain't gonna go that deep in the quicksand but yeah,
it's whatever.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Mario was mad too.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
He was pissed off.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
It is like he.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Was, you know, it's crazy. Can I be honest? Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, no, honesty is that all we were doing is have
a conversation about things y'all have, but nobody don't really
talk about it all the way. We're just having a
conversation the same ship everybody do. People in the comments
actually went crazy on everybody else spoke about or answer
the question about. Then I did like you giving niggas
(09:23):
too much grades and it's like, damn is it that serious?
Why is it that serious?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Because you're an artist can actually And I'm sure they
looked at like that Mario dope and ship, but he
don't feel the same way.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's crazy, Like everybody got strengths and weaknesses, like if somebody,
if somebody can dance, they ass off and they asked
somebody question like yo, who the who out of these
people gonna ask who can dance and who can't? Let's
just say always on that he was like, yo, can
Mario danced? He was like miss I would laugh, I
would laugh. I would be like, damn, he right, because
(09:57):
I don't because that's the But they know him for dancing, right,
they know that's his craft, right, So that's you know,
it's just niggas take shit too serious. Bro.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
So y'all haven't spoken since he said he's not gonna
do no more songs with you or any collapse with you.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I seen him at the Ebony event and we were
sitting at the same table.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah that's what. I was literally right next to y'all.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well, I don't know what he did when when it
was recording all.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
That so the time, so okay.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
One after that, I don't see him after that anything him. Yeah, okay,
because I'm like, he's saying nothing to me about it.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
If I really feel some type of listen everything I love,
if I really feel some type of way about something,
somebody said, I'm gonna pull him to the side something
I might not say that from everybody. I'm gonna figure
out a way to get it off my chest. I
didn't know. I had no idea he felt some type
of way about about that. You know what I'm saying.
I've had days where I've been hitting miss Nigga on stage.
(10:51):
I don't always hit every note the same every night. Like, nigga,
let's be real. We gotta be real. I have fun
and like not take it too serious. Bro, Listen, we
were young black, We are opportunity. We still hear bro
twenty four years later, like we still here is a blessing.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
But what do you feel?
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Like?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Mark mood swings, right, so you up and down on that.
This is like move love angry.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's a mixture of like love, you know, It's really
a conversation. It's a conversation. When I started mood Swings,
it was just about nineties R and B vibes. And
when I think of the word mood swings, I think
of nineties R and B. I think about two thousands
of R and B and I'm like, Yo, how do
we take that feeling and like update it? And this
(11:37):
was like the approach, And then I would have, like
a couple of Dre Mornen executive produced it. We're with
a lot of great producers are here. But yeah, the
conversations are different. And also the textures of what I
singing is different. Like I got a song called fortune
Cookie in there that I've never spoken like this before.
But the actual texture of the way I'm using my
voice a song called Moan. Same way, I'm giving you
(11:58):
different moves of who I am as an R and
B artist, How I think about intimacy, how I think
about love, and just you know, just talking my shit. Honestly,
fortune cookie damn man with Asian women, that's crazy. It
wasn't an Asian woman. It's just it's just women in general.
I think women are like fortune cookies, bro. Like, you know,
it's like you never know what you're gonna get if
(12:21):
you really dive in and really get to know a
woman on those more intimate levels, you know. And it's
something that I've always prided myself phon wone getting to
know somebody. I'm in a relationship now, and I'm still
learning my girl. I'm still learning like how to unlock
certain parts of her and and you know, how to
make her feel safe in moments where I'm not around,
(12:41):
and like, just so many elements to having a relationship
with a woman, whether you're just a friend or whether
you're in something deep like I am. It's just you
never know what you're gonna get. You gotta crack the open.
A fortune Cookie, obviously, record goes a little deeper into
something like that more intimate shit, but like, yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
How did your girlfriend deal with all of the like
being Mario's girlfriend? Everything it's public? Like when you post
to her, there's like such a big response because they're like,
she's not a black woman, Like how she deal with
seeing stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think that she she's a very like analytical person
like me, Like she dives into things to understand the
psychology behind it and like like what's the what what
does it really mean? She understood to a certain degree,
but she's also human, you know. So we've had conversations.
She's like I clap back at people. Before she clapp
back at a couple of people, I'm like, yo, just
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don't don't even don't let it, you know. And then
once that first initition would happened, she was like, oh, okay,
I get enough. And I told her, you know, it's
it's one of those things where people until they understand
that you got something real, people hate you before they
love you, you know what I'm saying sometimes and that
and that they don't even have to know you, right,
but then there's a lot of support I don't want.
And I think sometimes the internet, like the dark and
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the ugly shit get more highlighted than the love. Right
even with me, sometimes I see all these love you know,
I love what you're doing. We know you love black women,
we know, and then at one or two comments that's
like dark, You're like, you know, and that's just human nature, right,
So we just work and do it together. It's my
first like real public relationship in this way, whereas though,
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like the picture, we were going on vacation for my
birthday and we had took some pictures that she posted
a picture of her pregnant on her page before I did.
But her page is probably like babe, nobody's gonna say.
I'm like, babe, I'm go ahead right next thing, you
know is you know. So I was trying to tell
her like you know, but I was I'm not ashamed
of it. So it's like, yo, go ahead and do
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your thing. And so it was beautiful, Like I'm really
proud that I'm able to say, out of all the
men in my family, especially on my mom's side, like
that I can give my son something that I didn't have.
You know, when he touches, when he incarnates on his planet,
he's going to have a different life than I had.
I'm proud of that, you know, and the growing pains
(14:56):
of being an artist who's now more open with his life.
I should have did this seven years ago, ten years ago,
but now I'm being more open. So this is the
part is the part of it. You got to go
through it. I'm ready, come on, iratulations to you real quick, girl.
I want to give you your flowers. I'm so proud of you, Jess.
(15:16):
I'm so proud of you. Know where we come from.
You know, you're raising a young king, you got another
baby that you just had, You're married now get married
now like you're doing your thing, and I'm proud of you.
You know what I'm saying. I love you and I'm
proud of you. You know what I'm saying. I just
wanted to say that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Do you what do you feel Mario the man has
grown the most compared to Mario the Artist.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think that I've been able to shadow working myself
on a more honest and authentic level than I have before,
because not just because I'm about to be a father,
but because I see I see the world around me
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changing in ways that I'm like when things get out
of control, if you can't always control how your environment
is going to what's going to happen in the environments
around you. Because when you're an artist, things happen around you.
You have to be exposure. If you want to have success,
you got to be out here, right, And so it's
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really important for me to have controlling myself on a
deeper level and control of my emotions and control of
my how I view the world, how I view people,
how I view my relationships with people, getting better at
relationship building because I wasn't good at that as a
young kid and as a young adult, and so just
really doing that shadow work, bro, and also becoming a
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better friend to people that I consider important in my
life instead of being like closed off or being like, okay,
I can't trust nobody, like I'm not opening up to
like having a little bit more grace and understanding that, Bro.
With greatness comes the opportunity for leadership. And with the
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opportunity for leadership, you're able to actually see the world
from a different space when you take on that role
of being vulnerable and being a leader, which means coming
up with solutions, right, and it could be anything that
could be in work, It could be in your personal life,
it could be for your family, it could be for free.
And I think that that's something that God blessed me
with experiences to get through so that I can help
(17:33):
people come up with solutions, you know. And it could
be small things, Bro. Somebody could call me one day
and be like, Yo, I'm going through this. You know
what I'm saying. I just made my first you know,
twenty thousand dollars, Bro, my first time, Like, well, how
should I woo woo? It's like those small things. I
fucked up money before I know how to. I could
give you advice on that. If I can't give you
advice on something, I know somebody who can. Just being
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more open and vulnerable about life, man, and knowing that
everybody's not out to hurt you, you know, and that
comes from growth and doing shadow work.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
When you first did your shadow work, did your shadow
self scale.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
It scared me when I felt like people weren't respecting
the work that I was doing myself, and that triggered me.
It was like, what the fuck is the purpose of
doing it? If nobody cares and they still gonna judge
you they still And it realized, like, yo, Bro, it
doesn't matter if people don't see the work that you're doing.
You can't change their perspective. You can't change how people
(18:29):
see things because they can only understand things on the
level that they're experiencing.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I was reading this book called the author's name is
called Power Versus Force if you ward of that, But
it's really good, and it basically talks about life by
way of calibration. Like it's from zero to six hundred, right,
so you can have a conversation with your homie about
running down on somebody that might be calibrated at like
(18:53):
a ten or twenty. But then you can have a
conversation about growth and health and building, community building, and
that's calibrated at like a four to fifty five hundred.
And it just talks about how these things affect your body,
how to affect your mind. And I got it from
this chiropractor. But he doesn't do regular chiropractor work. He
does like spiritual chiropractic work. Whereas though he finds where
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your traumas are, you know, where you're lying to yourself,
where you're not being honest. On the first time I
worked with him, he brought me He does it like
in his backyard. He lives in la And then he
was like, he said, hold both your arms out. He's like,
I'm gonna ask you a question, and you could choose
to tell me the truth or tell me a lie.
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The one where I lied on him, my arm got weak,
like literally didn't mind bushit. It was like if it
was like and I knew I was lying. And then
the one where I told the truth, it was like
my arm was steady, it was strong, and I was like, damn,
that's crazy. You don't think that like your body and
your mind and how everything worked, like the truth, even
(19:56):
if it's ugly, it's more powerful than a lot. And
I mean, you could take that in so many different ways.
But I would like to think that I want to
live in a in a space where I can live
as much truth as possible and the lies aren't as
that I tell myself. You know what I'm saying. So
I don't know. All of that stuff is just a
part of my journey.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Now. You talked about the try it. You get that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Better than I.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
We talked about the hiatus.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
For most that don't know, during that time, which is
a long time, what was Mariel doing during that time.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, man, you know I was exploring. I was exploring
so many things in life, like just really trying to
understand what it was all, what the purpose was, you know,
what's the purpose of relationships, what's the purpose of family,
What's the purpose of me being an artist? What's the
(20:55):
purpose of it? Or why am I here? You know?
What is religion? What is all these things?
Speaker 4 (21:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
What is fear? What is trauma? What is you know,
why do people choose addiction over going to get help
and really fighting through it? Because it's such a strong
like it's such a strong intention. Like when people are
addicted to something like they will go through anything to
get that fix. You know, how do you transmit that
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into something towards something you want to build for yourself
in life? How do you transmit that to your family
and love all life? So it really just started studying
understanding like human behavior right now. I started there and like,
you know, wanted to understand, you know, what was hell?
What is heaven? You know? What is all of this?
Because I got thrown in at such a young age
that I wasn't able to process the death of my grandmother.
(21:46):
I wasn't able to process being adopted. I wasn't able
to process now you're an artist, now you're moving around,
now you're in this world. I wasn't able to process
that and enjoy the process. Like maybe a lot of
other younger artists. I don't know their process, but sometimes
they look happier, right, So I think that at that
time of like, after let me love you, after going
on to our Destiny's Shout, after all these things, it
was like bro, I moved back home and then I
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went through another dark moment and I was like, yeah,
I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Left.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's when my process of like getting through everything started,
like processing it, putting it all on the table, being confused,
being hurt, being in the dark, not having nobody around me,
and it just brought me closer to myself and brought
me closer to God. And that's what I started to
realize that life and cycles and time and space and
all of it is, it's all happening all at once, right,
(22:36):
and you know you really just got to like pull everything,
pull all the fragments back in, and then balance it out,
release what you like, releasing truly releasing it. For me,
it was a twenty six day fast where I released
so much. You know, man, I cried on nights, I
had cold sweats on nights. I was seeing things, hearing things.
(22:57):
I was really like traveling through these different portals of
everything that I've been hiding from. And that's what kind
of brought me back. And then after that, so I
had met this doctor named Dhoti and Calli and him
made these organ cleansing tablets and I was taking those
and I was doing it during this time. It was
(23:17):
a popular fast, but most people were doing it for
like three to five days. I did it for twenty
six days. Cayenne, you know, honey, lemon? Uh? What else?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Ginger? And yeah, it was a lot back, but I
took it for I was like, yo, once I got
to like my second my first week, I was like, nah,
this is I feel too. The first week, after the
first five days those the next two days you feel great.
Then you feel like shit for like three days. Then
you feel empty. Now your your skin is tingling and
(23:50):
you're hearing like things that the highest capacity, and you're
the light. You could see things clear, like it's just everything.
I wasn't sleep. I was only sleep for like three
hours before I couldn't sleep long and I have so
much energy. And so then I was like, okay, who's
the person? Like what how does food affect you? Then
I started studying what I was feeling. I was like,
how does food affect your mind? How does food affect
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your energy? How does it affect your sleep? And I
was realizing like, damn, we overeat in this country, and
like I'm like, yo, we really we eat emotionally. We
eat when we feel, you know, out of a breakup,
We eat when we horny and we don't get none.
We eat like you know, so consumption right, And so
then I started really diving into like why physical, mental,
(24:36):
and spiritual consumption all leads to your decisions, all leads
to what you're attracting your life, how you attract things,
and it affects everything in your life. So I went
down that road for years of just like being becoming
a mystic and studying different things and not being afraid
to be judged by people during that time, if you
were practicing and working with chrystals. I was doing this
(24:56):
in two thousand and eleven twelve when it wasn't cool,
you know, and I just wasn't talking about it. I
didn't share it because my journey was different. And yeah,
So I did that for years, bro, and then I
decided I'm like, okay, I'm ready to start making music again.
Like I think I'm ready to start. And the first
(25:19):
record I released out of that, I think was Somebody
Else with Nikki that is my yeah shit, yeah it
was like that one in fatal distraction. Fatal Yeah, fatal distraction.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, that makes so much sense beause the shadow work
gives you greater self awareness because it helps you understand
a lot of your blind spots that you might not
even have been aware of.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Man, it's a real thing. It's so true, bro, and
it's like you got it. It's almost like you gotta
forgive yourself because you Sometimes we can do the work,
but then we still haven't really forgiven ourselves. We still
haven't really been like, Yo, tell your younger self, I
love you. Forget you know, forgive yourself for the people
that may have hurt you. I'm still working through it, bro.
(26:00):
They don't stop, Bro, you don't. The truth is, it
never stops because we live in a space where we're
constantly reminded of our past.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
You know what I'm saying, That's the first thing that
came to mom when I heard you talk about all
this work you were doing, because I watched you on
Camp's podcast Monkey Friday, Yeah, and hearing you talk about
a lot of things I didn't know it, like your
mom and your adoption, and like you never had the
time to kind of make amends with all that stuff
because you were famous at fourteen. Yes, So what was
Mario saying to or I guess twelve eleven year old
(26:27):
Mario during the time where you got.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Away from everybody, like, don't know what your younger self.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I didn't know how to speak to my youngest stelf then,
So I wasn't really speaking to my younger self at
the time. I was more so processing what I was
trying to understand and like doing the work of at
least getting to a point where I could actually look
at it and see it from a different perspective in
terms of like the science of it and the actual
(26:54):
work of it, Like why do I make the decision?
Why do people make the decisions? Where am I lacking
at for me not to be able to be happy today?
What is this thing I'm holding on to? Right? So
I had to work through that first, I think that
talking to my younger self, it's gonna happen more. Even
when my son is here right being able to understand
(27:20):
give him the thing. I think he's gonna help my
I'm not like putting it on him to help me,
but I think being a dad will also help me
work through my younger my issues with my younger self,
if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That makes the world.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Man, It's it's like, man, God, it's so amazing because
you've done the work.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You're doing the work. But God didn't even.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Allow you to have your first child until you was
a much more healed, clear version of yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Man, that's crazy bro's eye. Consciously obviously, just like I
didn't want a child yet and I did certain things
to make sure I didn't have a joy yet. But
what you're saying is so true. And you know it's
one day. Story can the plot they can't there, But
like that's one of the things me and.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
My girl talk about all the time. Was like, yo,
like I.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Knew I loved her and I knew I felt safer.
I knew we knew each other for a long time.
We knew a lot of things about each other, but
it was all God when it came to her actually
conceiving like it was all God, bro. And it's like
I feel this energy already, like we both pray, pray
about our lives. It's amazing, Bro, it's amazing. I'm excited
about it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
How is healing shape? The man you are to.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Gave me more confidence. It gave me more confidence being
an artist that you know, took time away and making
a resurgence doing this digital crusade, you know, gave me
so much confidence on who I am as a person.
I don't think that there's anything that could happen and
these phones are online that could change or make me
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want to be anything other than myself and have my
found day. Shouldn't be strong for the things that really matter.
And I think that that is why God put me
through all of these different obstacles, is there's there's a
bigger column on my life that I'm tapping into that's
so multi dimensional in terms of like even the things
(29:15):
that I'm into now and the things that I'm attracting
and the people, for example, you know, investing in Redemption Bank,
who is which was founded by Britanice King and Ashley Bell,
and they're great people. Who have a great vision for
our community. But just you know, financial literacy in general.
(29:38):
I've been learning so much and just really wanting to
be a part of changing the narrative for us, you know,
as you know, there's so much work to be done.
You know, you've been in a room with a lot
of people who understand what needs to be done, and
so just wanted to be a part of something bigger.
So God's been preparing me for that, right, So that's
what I'm saying. When we have these conversations about music,
I'm like, Yo, it's it's so funny because my day
(30:00):
to day life is nat It's so far from that
in terms of the conversation that people I talked to.
But I get it. It's just that we haven't fun
whatever whatever. But yeah, so it's a it's a lot
of work, and I think God's just been preparing me
for it all. Yeah hm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So look.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
You're going to add a comedy component.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yo, Listen, we could put something together. And I know
it was talking about during it during the pandemic, you
were talking about some stuff and you had.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
A great idea, and I wish I would have like
hone in on it, like I wish I would have
jumped on it. You had an idea to do, like
I think it was like comedy virtually, like where people
because it was something.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
It was so smart. And then I see somebody else
doing I'm like, damn you, Mario.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You'll put me.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Try to put me on to that like five years ago.
Good listen, just you naturally listen, like Mike was saying,
like it's some people who wake up and just funny. Bro.
Like you different, Yes, you're different, Like you know what
I mean, days like having fucked up days and all
your pages come on and that just changed my whole ship.
Like you different, like you you're literally one of I
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think you're one of the young goats, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like keep doing that ship, like I
know you hustling it, but like tap in, like you
really wanted them for real.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Like I think about all the people who had good
days and you clown them and.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Think that it's a part of it.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Though, I just want you to think about all aspects.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I feel like true comedy comes from truth though, like
real comedy come from truth, it does, and depending on where.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
You're from Yo.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
People don't understand the Baltimore. They just think we're just
straight all aggressive.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Nah, for sure, you know what I'm saying, We'll be
saying it that they think about. And I think that
that's like that's the thing. You know, We're gonna always
get the you know, the backlash we say ship that people.
Speaker 9 (31:46):
That's why it was so many people that got mad
at you and Cam.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Answer you them questions, yeah, man, it's yeah. That interview
was interesting. Man, it was interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
But did you have fun? Though?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Not all the way Honestly it was cool, but then
it just got to the point where like he wasn't
being real about ship and it wasn't fun no more.
Now now I'm like, you're not being even you're talking
so much about your own life. And I with him, right,
but it was just everybody. So it was just moments
where I was like, Yo, you're not being real like
a cool I see what this is. Yeah, I like, listen,
(32:20):
fuck with came real quick, just said that you can
remember all the moments. It's too many.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Just said one time your actually going in and out Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
You're talking to me about the Ebony's not it?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Do it? And I get.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Get madmore and then I forget what I asked you
about and it was like and I was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
From there because I haven't heard it this interview. That's
why I've been living.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I've been living in l A for like fifteen years now.
So ship just if I go home for two weeks
said when he gets it's crazy when he gets upset
about something that ship.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
They're trying to get mad. Look definitely don't at all
some question, right, but but.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It I'm mad at you for kicking the cameraman off stage.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was kind of crazy because
that's your time to before you don't know what this
DoD is on stage.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I think that it was just people not used to
seeing me like that, bro, like mad, yeah, like you.
So it's like I try not to get mad, bro,
because when I get mad, I get mad, you know
what I'm saying. And then it's like I'm like, it
takes a lot to get me mad, right, So when
I get there, hopefully I don't want it to be
seen ever, Like I don't want people to see that
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side of me, like and it's not like I'm not human,
I just it can get taken out of context, which
it did, right, So I'm gonna tell the story officially
here on Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
They hit us for this.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Fair I'm like, okay, it's close to LA. We'll take
the spring up. Go up there, due it, knock it out,
we come back to the crib, right, cool. Family only
say all right, cool Lloyd, a couple of us, let's
do it. I get to my shows usually if it's
Souls with other people, I get there like like when
we're doing a drink, not to gett like ten fifteen
minutes before, because I don't like sitting in the dress room.
I get assy, like man, So no one told me
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that a camera man was going to be on stage
at all. So when I go on stage, I'm performing
and I keep seeing a figure around and the stage
is pretty big. If I keep seeing a figure and
I'm like okay, then when I saw him for the
first time, I'm like, damn. Then he jump up from
because he didn't have a camera, bro, he had an
iPhone on a joint. Go look at the video. So
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I'm like, he must have jumped from out of the crowd.
He came on my irony trip or whatever. He over
there but then he got comfortable and on the stage,
they got they had too many speakers. They have more
speakers because usually every artist get to say what they
wanted the stage to be. Like, they left the other
artist speakers on the stage, so it was more speakers
than were supposed to be. So I'm looking for where
he about to go, and I tripped one time over
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the over court. I ain't say nothing. I'm like, man,
shit crazy, I gotta watch up. Then as I'm walking
back to the right side of the stage, he's all
the way downstage, like near the speaker, like you should
be like further back, like you feel me. And then
that moment is like, Yo, you gotta get the fuck
off the stage. Bro, you didn't already like you get
to It wasn't even like I hate you, nigga, get off,
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Like it was just like, nigga, get the fuck off.
I just feel me. It was like that apologized shortly after.
It was hot as a half ass apology. But I
didn't even realize he went on tour. He went on
he went on a press tour about it. So like
I was like, I'm like, bro, you know, let me
just do it. But yeah, that's what happened. He was,
(35:38):
but he was supposed to be there parently and then
you know, but it really was just I didn't know
he had an iPhone. Are we getting any visuals?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, so I'm about to put a video out from Home,
uh in like a week period. Yeah, yeah, it's coming
to visual for Home is coming in. It's fire, It's fire,
It's you know, it's nineties R and B. I'm giving
you our real arm on this project. So and more
to come as well. Moose swings too. More music. Definitely
tapping back into the movie space as well. I'm building
a lot of things behind the scene when new citizens
(36:10):
and the investment side, the creative side, hopefully signing some artists.
I got my eyes on a few. I want to
say it because last time I did, somebody sign him.
But it's just like, yeah, I have a color. It
was this kid. His name is Chosen. I forgot his
last name. His name is Chosen, but like he's super soulful.
(36:30):
I showed you off off off of the joint. But
he got signed by Quality Control, you know what I'm saying.
And we was talking, but yeah he's already been signed
by SO but yeah, super talented but really looking for
like raw talent man that I can help evolve through
this industry, you know, and and understand that, like outside
of music, there's so many other opportunities, right, So generational
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wealth like that's that's really what the whole New Citizen
for me represents. You know.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So have you taken your girl to Baltimore? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Bottomore? Like three, she went with me on Thanksgiving one year.
Uh we went to Bottomore, went to Philly Family, Philly, Baltimore.
She from, she's Mexicans from she's from.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Uh, sacrament He got hold on.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
I don't comfortable with hands.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
She got me as well, thank you. But he and Mexican.
I think man's street Mexican. I cannot ask you a questions.
What does it matter? It don't matter, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I just want to know how.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
That your girlfriend is Mexican.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, like doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
It don't matter to me. Doctor, She's not that kind she.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Legally yeah, man, everybody legal.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I love.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Love is definitely love.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But but I do like to see black men with
black women. But that that's that's just because that's what.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I feel for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
I love to see all of it. I love to
see all.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I want you to be in love if you
love her.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Love is nice, man, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
here if I didn't love her. I wouldn't We wouldn't
be here if we didn't love each other. Pro creating
like this exactly like we're having a beautiful experience right now.
The only you know, the hardest part obviously is always
the traveler, right being away from home, checking in, being like, damn,
if I'm on stage and something's happening and I will not,
I can't get that. You know what I'm saying. It's this,
(38:29):
This has been This has been hard because it's like
things were already in motion, these toys are already playing,
you know. But I get off tour in December, and
I'll be home for all the holidays, So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I don't think you owe anybody an explanation, though. I
think that's it's like, why are you explaining who you love?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
It's not so much explaining who I love is. It's
it's the the narrative of oh Mario doesn't like black
women that I have an issue with, and where this
narrative was created from. That's the thing about the internet.
Is like, you can't just leave that, you know, out
in the air. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
So I'd rather confront it so people understand that it's
(39:09):
a lie and it's it's not true, versus not saying
anything aboudy, which I've done in a couple of interviews
since that interview, you know. But the way he asked
it was so he set me up.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
One of the question.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
The question set up like what's your relationship with black women? Right? No,
that wasn't the first question.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
No, that was like that. He was like, do you
have a problem with black women?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's a wild question.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
The way you answered it.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
The way you answered it that we played that clip
here answered it. I don't think it it didn't make
it any worse, but I think it made people try
to find another reason why you don't like.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Black Psychologically, these podcasts and people when people are not
everybody doesn't have the same way they receive things. And
we're dealing with y'all know, we're dealing I ain't got said,
you know, we did a way in the coming, you know,
and so it's like, yes, of course, like I come
(40:04):
from I'm a black man, who comes from a black city,
who comes from the struggles of black people in this country.
So I come from what my course, a lot of
my core fans come from. So of course it's like
if someone says something like do you have a problem,
but the people who never even heard the question will
be like, wait, you got a problem? It's like here, right,
(40:28):
of course, I gotta say. You know what I'm saying,
I'm defending that to say that I love black women
and black women the most beautiful creatures on this planet,
and why do you hate them?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Talk about.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Say?
Speaker 6 (40:42):
I feel like it made people do what he's doing
right now.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Bro, I look for everybody who hates Charlamagne. But where
did you mean? What we met? I met? I met
her in Florida years ago when I was living in Miami.
We met and her mind was living at the time
we met. Well, she was like, we knowing each other
(41:07):
for like for like nine years. You know what I'm saying.
So we've seen each other through relationship. We've been friends
for so long.
Speaker 9 (41:13):
Yeah, it's about your when you talked about your experience,
I had a problem with people having a problem with that,
Like you just talked about you went into it more
you were saying, because yeah, the question was asked, oh
why don't you why do you have a problem with
black women? And you're like, it's not that I don't
have a problem with black women. You talked about your
experience with the black women who was you know where we.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Got to that the questions was just outrageous, Like, I
don't even know, I don't know where these allegations began,
these questions beg That's that's the point. I don't let's
just set this straight. I don't know where they begin,
and they're not I don't hold those like that's for
like clickbait and all that. But when we got around
to speaking about my experience that that came out of
(41:59):
me saying, how could I have hate? Like, it's not
it's not hate. Yes, I haven't had a beautiful experience
as far as like the my story, you know, but
that doesn't lead to hate, bro, that doesn't lead to hate.
You know.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
It's interesting you're right about the questions because I you know,
I'm interviewing you for years.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I've never heard that before. But so when you hear
a question like that, you think yourself.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I'm gonna oh, he has wrong with it, so, you know,
but I think it's just it's a matter of people
getting to know me more, you know. And I'm like, okay,
this is why interviews are important. This is why. And
then when you get to a certain level when you
want to do anything, no more cool because now they
just talking about your music. But you have to have
something in place of that for them to talk about. Right,
So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
You answered the question. Do you think doing the interviews
is even helpful? Because you explained and then they find
another reason.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Then I will say this. I think that there's always
different perspectives based on how you enter the conversation. This
is a different podcast, it's a different platform, her minds,
you know, different energy, like everything is different. I don't mind.
I'm an open book at this point. I don't mind
having conversations. You know, I understand now how to navigate
(43:10):
it better. But you know, you got to go through
the through the mud sometimes. I understand, like, all right, cool,
we got to make sure we stand and stand on
solid girl.
Speaker 9 (43:18):
What you talk about when you talk about your girl
being pregnant and you and something. You can't be there
all the time because you wore tour and things like
that and your first time, dad, and it's like wow, right,
so you don't need this is the first time you're
ever going through this. Are these the times where you
like say, like damn, you wish your mom was here.
Oh my god, You're like, damn, I wish I could
(43:39):
just ask her what the hell I could do?
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I wish my mom was here for a lot of things.
I wish my mom was here because she's one of
the realist people I've ever known, you know, mother was.
She's one of those people like anything that she wanted
she could have had. She had a scholarship planning tennis.
She was the number one tennis player in Maryland. You know,
when she was young, she had a chemist she was
(44:06):
a major in chemistry, bachelor's in chemistry. She loved God,
you know, and she was a hustler, so she could
have transmitted that energy into anything. I think that we
would have made a great partnership in business because I'm
I feel like I'm more thorough than I've ever been.
(44:28):
I don't have any plans on not expand, like I'm
expanding it other ways, and I think that she could
have been right here with me. And of course having
another grandmother for my child and having her be a
part of my life. That's I mean, she here the spirit,
but of course I would want that. But you know,
my my girl's mom is an incredible out wailers so far.
(44:48):
You know, she's been there, she's home right now and
making sure she's straight. She's excited about it. You know,
God don't make no mistakes in terms of like you
know what it's meant for you, and how when you
pray for things and you prepare for things, how God
shows up. I think we're blessed you. But yeah, I
would love that.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
After doing the work on yourself that you've done, finding
so many personal answers, did that cause you to have more.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Questions for your mom that you probably didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I've asked a lot of questions, you know. I think
the thing that I've the thing that I've been sending
her love for lately, because you know, is me forgiving
her because spiritually, no one ever really dies, right, the
(45:40):
energy doesn't die, it's just transmuted. So it's like sending
her forgiveness and support, you know, for whatever her soul
may be still struggling with or whatever her next journey is.
I think that that's you know, that's what I do now,
That's what I focus on now, you know, is that
forgiveness for her, forgiving myself and just sending her so
(46:02):
much support and love. Because there's been moments where during
my spiritual journey when she would come visit me, and
you know, anybody who understands the spiritual realm, there's been blockages,
like just when I'm able to, like we're able to,
there's something that comes in between and blocks it. I've
had that happen a lot of times. So I'm like, okay,
so I have there's still something I have to work on.
(46:22):
So the more and more work on it, the closer
and closer I feel that these other entities and things
can't even blocking in the spiritual room because it's so
much power because she has things that she tells me
that I need to know, and when that those blockers,
I can't get those. And so it's a real thing,
and it happens in real life too, you know, with family,
(46:44):
and there's entities that are built out of trauma and
they become their own entities in your life and you
don't work through those things, you can't heal with your
dad or your mom or your sister, or your or
your wife or your whatever, you know what I'm saying.
So that's a real thing, and I think it doesn't
change in the spiritual.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
Bro, do you believe, you know, after doing all this
working on yourself, do you believe your life's purpose is
bigger than music?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
One? Absolutely? Bro, Absolutely, I think that there's a spiritual
side of it. There's a community building side of it.
When I say that, I mean using my relationships to
help build our communities. You know, I've been building myself
back up over these past few years, but now I'm
like branching out to be like, Okay, how can I
use my relationships to make sure in this new world
(47:28):
that's happening? You know, my people, my community. You know,
we just have a you know, we're put in a
position where people understand our power and understand our unity
in a different way. And it's it's gonna take a
lot of work, but that's like where my head is at.
But also just owning things and being able to be creative.
Like I'm working on a museum right now that I
(47:49):
don't know exactly where I'm gonna put it yet, but
it's it's gonna be everything sound. I can't say the
whole concept because there's a lot of rich people out
there that can make it suit happen, but like, but yeah,
it's it's gonna be incredible, and then just a lot
of other things. Man, And I feel like it's showing
not only my fans and people who's been watching my
career for a long time, that yo, you can be
(48:10):
whoever you want to be. And we have always been
some of the most creative beings on this planet and
creating things that's never been created before. This is what
I want to do. That's my goal. And it goes
for everything from music to tech, business, you know, social experiences, restaurants,
all types of things. You know, there's there's a lot
(48:31):
of things happening, you know, and even writing being an author.
I have like three books that I've written but that
I haven't put out yet because I don't know. Every
time there's a new version of me, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
You gotta go back and chang.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I gotta go back and change.
Have you ever experienced that, like you put out books? Like,
how does that for you?
Speaker 4 (48:47):
I can do that with every single book that I've written.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, you know, go back and change certain.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
Yeah, you know, the first book was you know, up
to a certain point in my life.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
So it was these lessons that I learned.
Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yeah, my second book, I was completely empty because I
asked the doing to work on myself and started to
go into therapy and stuff. So everything I thought I
knew I was like, Yo, I really don't know nothing.
I was just I learned a whole bunch of stuff.
Then my third book, you know, it really came to
me after a plant based experience, you know, with ayahuasca.
I went on the ayahuasca journey and the same thing
(49:17):
came up for me that came up for you. It's like, yo,
stop lying to yourself and stop volunteering those lives to
other people. So it's like, yeah, every every book has
been a different version of me.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
So that's where I'm at now. Is just like okay,
which which there's all these like versions, all of them
have truth, right, but which ones connected dots to where
I am right now? So that's kind of where I'm
at with that. But yeah, that's it's just I'm just bro.
I'm just ready to continue to grow. You know, music
is my passion. But you know, with that comes all
these other things, more touring, bigger, bigger shows and bigger
(49:49):
opportunities and just you know, just growing me and my
team growing.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
What what's the message you think men need to hear
today that we don't talk about enough.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
I don't think men applaud out the better things about
each other enough. It's like, you know, if you see
your homie like that've been struggling with something for years
and he he's getting over it or he's trying to
get over it, appalled that, you know what I mean,
(50:19):
showing some love, show him you see that, Like, Yo,
that's shit, cool, bro, like that shit that. I'm inspired,
you know what I'm saying. I think escapism, escaping the hour,
traumas with drugs and you know, maybe nightlife or whatever.
You know, I mean, everybody like to have fun, but
you know, just really like taking like the time to
(50:42):
really take your future serious. You know, sit down for
a minute, like maybe save some bread, Like sit back,
you know what I mean, look at your life, look
at the people in your life, and really analyze, like, Okay,
if if something is calling me to grow, all these
people around me going to help me g go out there.
Part of that part do they want to grow like,
(51:03):
because we get comfortable with our relationships. And I've I
realized this because I've had so many different people come
in and out of my life and a different parts
of who I am in my life, you know, different
parts of my journey. And sometimes we get scared to
let people go and not let them go as in like, oh,
I don't fuck with you, but just let them go.
Is in't like, Yo, I need this next few much
(51:23):
to myself, bro or sist. You know, I gotta I
gotta level up in life. There's some things that God
is putting on me, you know, and hopefully I can
help you with that, you know, But I just need
some time. And it's not personal. Not everybody gonna take
that well, but sometimes we gotta do that, man, and
then circle the block and be like, yo, I see
things from a different perspective. I don't think we talk
about that enough in terms of it being something real
(51:46):
that can really change your life. There's a few things, man,
I mean that's yeah, that's just the name of you.
Speaker 9 (51:53):
Yeah, this is real quick. This ain't even no question.
I've always wanted.
Speaker 6 (51:58):
To tell you. You snapped on.
Speaker 9 (52:01):
The cry with appreciate. Man, what that's crazy. He'd be
snapping on these features.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Just thank you. I might put the whole project out
with features just for fun for sure.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
That yeah, you never heard that? Who is Down.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Is a streamer?
Speaker 2 (52:23):
At this point, ray J is coming up this week
show anybody what what.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Would you say to ray J? Would I say to him?
What would you say the ray J? Already man stopped
stop his car for his breaks? Break you know what
I'm saying, like break it? You know what I mean?
But I told you before he ray J, you know
he is. He a troller. He gonna troll. But he
know what time it is, man, he knows. He said
one which is bigger than let me look. But anyway, listen,
(52:49):
I'm on tour right now, nothing but us tour. You
know what I'm saying. We outside New York was amazing.
The energy in New York. You know, we got like
I think like eight more dates. Project Moose Swings is
out right now. Yeah, we were outside, man, I was
that's all about to say. You gotta put me in
different conversations. Like right, I was on Brandy Show like
(53:12):
two weeks ago. We did last weekend. What we do
before that we did Jonas Brothers, Like, you know, it's
just any stage. I'm on too many stages for ray
j D. Even he can't come on.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
You know, it's up big ship, Big Mario and not
Luigi brother, like stop playing, let's play.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Wait, I'm not a question, yeah question.
Speaker 8 (53:35):
You just did it here and it made me think
of it when you came out at the Brandy and
Monica show.
Speaker 6 (53:38):
You think Brandy but not Monica.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
It wasn't even not it wasn't even that type of thing.
Speaker 8 (53:44):
It wasn't even tried to make it a thing on
excellent just say that Brandy, And I'm like, was that
like what?
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Nah? Shout out to Monica. Bro, there's nothing, It's I
came out on Brandy set. You know what I'm saying.
So I was just giving like, yeah, it was nothing.
First of all, Monica is amazing. I love Monica like
me and like every time like like it's something dope
on like she always comment on her. I come like
it's all love, like that's gang. So like, yeah, I
think these narratives. It's yeah. And in the moment, like
(54:12):
when you're on stage, in the moment sometimes you just
like trying to remember everything and be present, like you
know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's nothing. I'm happy
to see both of them on tour, even when I
post it. When I was on the stage, I congratulated
both of them like I gave them both flowers. Yeah,
so people just be taking it out of proportion, man,
trying to make me an R and B villain. Man,
(54:32):
I don't want to now embrace it.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
That one was unfair adel because yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:40):
By the way, about the shadows side though, when you
feel comfortable over.
Speaker 3 (54:45):
There, I'm not trying to embrace that me and I'm
me embracing that. It's different, bro, from it's not. I
don't need like, I don't need drugs to be dark.
I don't need like I don't want to be I
don't want to go there. I did. I don't want
to go there no more. I don't want to go
there because I can't. What if I like it, That's.
Speaker 4 (55:08):
What I'm saying A little. That's the scared part when
you don't want to be there, you know, I feel.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Good, like what if I like it?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
And then it's now I got to create this whole
other thing around me And it's like, nah, bro, I listen,
I got too many blessings in my life right now
to me, things that I'm creating, great partners that are
just like wanting to like invest in things I'm doing.
I too much. This is too much to lose.
Speaker 4 (55:32):
I'm happy for you, brother, I appreciate it. I really
enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 4 (55:36):
Hearing you do the work is good.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
You want yeah, yeah, weide. I just want to make
sure you're missing nothing. Mood swings out right now.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (55:46):
Everybody having mood swings right now, you know, and it's hey, move,
invite the mood swings, balance it out, enjoy it. You know,
Let's get back to love. Let's keep R and B alive, Bros.
R and B is such an important genre, you know.
It allows us to explore love, and it allows us to
explore intimacy, allows us to have fun, and we can
have different conversations in it. It's just it's just all
(56:08):
encompassing genre. I wouldn't want to pick any other genre.
Moose swings out right now. I don't even know what
to play of it. We could play home, we could
play have y'all heard the EP yet? All right? Cool?
When y'all get a chance press play when you get
back to the crib, that thing.
Speaker 4 (56:23):
But you ad.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Yo play all right, cool cool, let's hear nobody but nobody,
but yeah, yes, the breakfast club is Mario. Hold on,
every day, wake up the breakfast club.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
You don't finish for y'all done.
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