In this episode Loren was in the streets literally! It was a double & triple down on prosecutors claims.. Diddy allegedly does what he wants when he wants to who he wants after establishing alleged fear or cleaning up his tracks.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Gee, I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about
everything and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right,
y'all know where we're at.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're back here at the court today for the latest
with Laurna Rosa, and today the latest is like normally,
when I walk out, I'll be like, all right, boom,
I feel like the prosecution took it boom.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I feel like the defense took it today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today, I don't have a strong opinion about either side.
This is what I think deflated Diddy's legal teams set
up of what they were trying to do. So diddy
legal teams spent a lot of time on trying to
debunk ding Richard's credibility because she couldn't remember certain timelines.
There were missteps in what she said to prosecutors and
then to you know, they're on the stand because of
(00:40):
the timeline and she was saying, yo, it's been a
long time. But Carrie Morgan came on the stand and
essentially did the same thing. She remembered the very high
level points. She remembers certain things, but because of the
time period and how long ago this stuff was, she
would say that was so long ago, I don't remember,
and the defense didn't lean in on it, Like the
defense didn't even acknowledge the fact that she was saying
(01:00):
the same thing Dawn was saying about not being able
to remember it. But they did everything that they could
do to basically, like when Dorn was on the stand,
they dragged baby Girl for not being able to remember
certain dates right. But when Carrie Morgan got on the
stand and they thought that this was going to prove
a lot of the points they wanted to prove, they
let her ride. So let's just talk about what happened
(01:20):
briefly to break it down for you. First witness up
Dormshard and Dawn's testimony was really heavily predicated on her
civil lawsuit that she filed. So Dawn talks a lot
about witnessing an incident with Cassie or a couple incidents,
but the first one that she went into and that
they spent a lot of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Time on was the egg frying.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The egg incident, Dawn alleged that they were at Diddy
and Cassie's home in La Cassie was downstairs in the
kitchen making eggs for Diddy, letting them cool, and he
got upset because they were taking so long. In her lawsuit,
Don alleges that she came down sir, that Diddy came downstairs,
he was upset. He went to go hit Cassie with
(01:59):
the front Cassie fell to the ground in a feudal
position on the stand.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
She also let the same thing, however, where.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
They were allegedly all at a New York like city festival,
and the festival, she says, was when they were supposed
to be announcing the eighty Dirty Money group, and that
it was Hers Harper, who was her other band member,
Diddy and Cassie and they were in this place, his
home in New York, and Cassie and Diddy were arguing
about something. Diddy got upset allegedly hit Cassie in her face.
(02:31):
She says that her and Kiera Harper were allegedly in
the bathroom doing her makeup, getting ready to go. Cassie
comes in and Cassie's like quiet, but she's obviously upset.
She's crying and she's trying to fix her makeup. Her
face is swelling. She ends up having to wear glasses
to the event that they went to. They get to
this event, they're there they make it through if they
wear glasses. She's asked about, you know, would she ever
(02:52):
say anything in any of these instances, and she says,
you know, she would say things. She would go to
Cassie and say, allegedly, you need to leave him, But
she says that, you know, event charity with her and
back up a bit because she knew Cassie wasn't ready
to leave him, so she would do things like they
would all wear glasses together so that Cassie wouldn'teel embarrassed
or you know, like she talked about Cassie still having
dreams and wanted to fulfill her music dreams and her
(03:13):
modeling dreams and all these different things, and on offer
to like write for her like, so it gave that
she was, you know, trying to silently support her. Dawn
also talked about that day after the alleged egg accident
incident happened, and she says that after that incident, the
day after, y'all recall even in her lawsuit, she says
that the day after, Diddy came into a room a
(03:35):
recording studio that her and kier Her and her band
My Members Harper were allegedly in and told them like
that was just passion that y'all saw nobody's hurt and
sold them like y'all need to don't say nothing about
what y'all saw, because who people who talk about, you know,
these type of things when it comes to me go missing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So they let her go. They let her talk about
all these different incidents.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They also talked about an incident in la that Dawn
alleged happened with Diddy and Cassie, and she alleged she
alleged when she was talking to the prosecution that there
were a lot of other people there. So they clarify, well,
who were the other people there that worked for him?
And she says that, you know, she allected that security
was there. She unless that there were some assistants there.
And then now the defense comes on, right, so this
(04:20):
is Diddy team. Diddy teams come on and he they
just basically go through event event event event that she
had named on face value. I'm not even gonna lie
on face value it gave. They didn't hold back on
Dawn whatsoever. They cooked her. And the reason why I
say that is because at face value, right, like just
listening to it, there were so many times where she
(04:42):
had recalled things that they would say, Oh, well, that
wasn't mentioned in your testimony to the prosecutors, which is
a testimony where you know you're supposed to be telling
the truth. Right, for instance, whether Darmer shards testimony should
honestly even be admitted. Because Diddy's team was trying to say, look,
(05:03):
we can't just pull out all these random acts of
violence that people are alleging and throw them on you know, Diddy,
because it doesn't prove what we're here to have a
conversation about, which is a sex trafficking and you know,
all these other things. The prosecution was like, oh no,
it does because when you talk about these acts of
alleged domestic violence and you have these witnesses giving these
first hand accounts, it shows how fearful they were, especially Dawn,
(05:27):
who is alleging that not only does she see him
get physical with Cassie, but she was threatened to if
you say something, this is what will happen. And that
right there is what the prosecution is trying to That's
the biggest thing they're trying to prove, is that Diddy
has this nature about him allegedly where it's like.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
If you say I do this.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I do what I want, and if anyone goes against that,
or if you say something that goes against that, here
is the consequence that will happen from that, right, And
that's what she was alleging. So the defense comes on
and they specifically go right at that claim. They're like, look,
you have these interviews with prosecutors, right, And she's like yeah.
Don is like yeah, and they're like, you're supposed to
be honest in these interviews with prosecutors, right, like it
(06:09):
I it is like assumed, and you know that you're
supposed to be honest, and she's like, of course. So
the defense attorney, who Nicole Westmoreland, who was the attorney
that you know a lot of people were kind of
waiting to see how she crossed examined. This was her
first time actually getting up and going and cross examining
with the witness, because we had heard that she was
so good at strategy behind cross examination. She's like, okay, well,
(06:30):
you know, you mentioned a couple things in your story
here on the stand that don't reflect what you told
the prosecutors and your interviews and you met with them
a few times, correct and down, you know, didn't didn't
argue that she didn't meet with them a few times.
There were like three to four times from the first
interview until the until you know now when we are
(06:52):
when we're seeing don where Dawn did not mention at
all the fact that she was threatened allegedly by Puff
and what Miss west Moreland did that I thought was
very good was before she brought back up that threat
and the fact that it wasn't mentioned, and a lot
of the interviews that Dawn had with the prosecutors, she said,
I want to make sure that I understand when Shawn
(07:15):
Holmes allegedly threatened you, right, what did you take that
threat as? And Dawn said, you know what, I took
that threat if I did something. He would allegedly kill
me if I did something. She said, okay, so we
have it established that you were at fear for your
life and doing It's like yeah. So then she goes
on the line of times that Dawn did not mention
this to the prosecutors the government and she's like, well,
(07:39):
let's be clear, Shawn Holmes was not in the room
when you did that interview, and she said no, she said,
none of us were in that room, right, None of
the lawyers, none of the attorneys were in the room
and did the interview. She said no, and she said, well,
I'm very confused as to if you weren't fear for
your life, why wouldn't you bring that into the interview.
Why wouldn't you tell the government that Wes Moreland then
did the same thing, And the fact that Dawn had
(08:01):
communication with Diddy. She established the fact that you know,
dawnval is a part of Danady Kane and Dandy Kane,
you know, and Diddy and Dirty Money were these really
big groups and they were platinum and they were successful.
And she, you know, was like, well, you you went
on to do things by yourself after that, and it
just wasn't as successful. So you kind of see where
she's gone when she starts implying these things and saying
(08:22):
these things, and she's like, you know, in twenty eleven,
you say you got away, you decided to leave, never
say anything about anything you saw because you were instructed
to do so. And Dawn is like, you agree, like, yes,
I left in twenty eleven. I was told by you know,
allegedly Puff and a guy named Harf Pierre that was like,
you know, an executive that worked with Puff not to
say anything about anything. So she says she listened again
(08:44):
because she was in fear for her life from that
one incident that she had directly when she had that
threat thrown directly at her allegedly, and then everything else
that she had saw over time. So Wes Moreland, who
was the defense attorney, is like, well, you say that
you left in twenty eleven, but there was communications with
Shawan after that, And at first Dawn is kind of
(09:06):
like like she uh, and then she brings up the communications.
She's like, Okay, She's like, well, here's a text conversation.
Because before that, the way that Dawn was mentioning in
the conversations they were having was is if Diddy would
reach out to her whenever she would have these high
moments in her career, and she would make sure that,
you know, she her temperament was right like calling him bro,
(09:27):
just trying to make sure she didn't make him upset
and you know, making sure that the situation was diffused
because she had dealt with him, you know, dealt with
all this before, so she knew how to, you know,
just not put flames to the situation. But Miss west
Moreland came on and she's like, look, you left in
twenty eleven. You were away, you had no ties, you
had no reason to be in contact with them. Then
they start bringing up these these communications. So one of
(09:47):
the communications that they brought up was from a year
where Dawn had reached out to allegedly work with Puff.
Now here's the thing. The defense didn't clarify what those
communications were. All the defense said was, well, you reached
out to him. Y'all had conversations despite you saying he
was only reaching out to you. And she's like, correct now,
(10:10):
And at the same time, every single time there's a
hole that Wes Moreland grabs out, she mentions, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Your story's changing, your story's changing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It got to a point where Don literally had to say, yes,
my story is changing, but it's changing because the more
I talk about this stuff, the more I remember, I'm
doing this testimony to the best of my ability.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Period.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Now I say all that, and remember I told you like,
it was so weird today because it was like you
felt one way until her from the other side, Because
then the prosecution came back in and the prosecution is
now asking her questions again behind the defence and they clarified.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They clarified that the.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Communication that Dawn had with Diddy following her leaving in
twenty eleven was number one because she was trying to
be a part of making the band.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
There there was like another making the band announced.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
She had had some conversations about being a part of that,
and she specifically was trying to, you know, work with
Laurian Gibson, who was going to be more and so
working with that not puff puh, thank you, not puff right,
And she's like, okay, did he wasn't involved in that
though he wasn't going to be a judge on that.
The conversation of relationship I was trying to build this
is Dawn is Laurian Gibson. So she said, you know,
I had conversations and I was told I needed to
(11:20):
reach out to Diddy to make sure that it was
okay that I did this. So she said, that's one
time that she reached out and he didn't reach out
to her. She said the second time was because she
was trying to do something for a friend, do something
for ms Kleena Harper, who was the other band member
of Diddy Dirty Money. But neither side ever clarified what
she was trying to do. But she just kept saying,
I was just trying to help a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
They didn't. Again, the defense leaned back.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Into the whole you know, there's hols in your story
why things changed, And she's like, man, I'm remembering the
best I can remember. The prosecution when they came back
and they're like, Yo, what was the time on on
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
How long ago was some of this stuff?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So again pointed to the fact that this stuff was
a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A lot of this stuff she may not remember.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
There was a big moment too, though, where Dawn couldn't
speak to the fact that her attorneys had allegedly sense
a settlement offer to Diddy.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
She had no idea of it at all.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Understand there was a misquote in her lawsuit filing. So
the civil lawsuit that dorn Richard files, and I thought
it was interesting how the civil lawsuits were coming into
conversations so much here in this criminal federal court. So
in the lawsuit filing, the civil lawsuit filing that Dormochard has,
she mentioned an incident where she saw Cassie allegedly being
(12:34):
drugged by her hair through grass. Diddy's legal team brought
that up because again they're trying to just deflate her credibility,
and they're like, do you remember telling prosecutors that that
didn't happen that way? And she's like doing it, she's
she was very honest about it. She was like, yes,
I told the prosecutors that that was a misquote for
(12:55):
my attorney, and they just left it at that. Like
they did everything they could to poke poles in and
we's Moore was really good at poking the holes. But
again when the prosecutors came in and doubled back behind it,
they did everything they could to be like, Okay, that
hole was there, but here's why. And then they brought
Carrie Morgan on a stand who was friends, very close
friends with Cassie for a very very long time, who
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the prosecution. You know, they let her go. They let
her tell her different stories and recount different things, and
you know, she really I don't even think we needed it,
to be honest, because Cassie had already done her due
diligence at telling her story about all the abuse that
she suffered and things that that nature. And they had
photos to a company. We've seen the video from the
Intercontinental hotel. So I don't think that the jury needed
(13:42):
to be sold on domestic violence when it comes to Diddy, right.
But one thing that I thought was interesting with Cary
Morgan and it was certain things that they both remembered
that were key, right because like Cary Morgan remembered the.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hangar incident, you know, she remembered going to urgent care.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
They tried, they did try to trip carry Morgan up
a bit. They the defense did, did he seem because
she had said that in her report to in her
interview with the prosecutors priors to come in to court,
she had said that she went to a hospital on
the scene, she said an urgent care, and she said
to herself, like yo, urgent care in hospital was like
the same thing. There were small ways where they were
trying to trip he up, but they couldn't really get
her because she was honest about what she didn't know.
(14:21):
She didn't second guess it what she did know. She
stuck straight to that. And if you asks her five
different ways, she was you know what I mean, she
was saying the same thing. So it really made today
like it made me feel indifferent about today in both testimonies,
but at high level that I was a breakdown of today.
Let me know how y'all are feeling, because I'm feeling
like neither of those testimonies changed what I already knew.
(14:44):
I already knew because I saw the videos and I
saw photos and I heard cast is testimony that Diddy
was extremely physically violent to her. One thing I did
want to point out with Carrie Mooregon and the defense
trying to use Carrie Morgan as a way to angle
Cassie into like jealousy and anger and.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, having a motive and you know all these things.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I feel like, even though she was very honest about
her testimony, and I think that they thought because they've know,
they haven't been friends for a while, and there was
like a settlement that happened, and you know Carrie Morgan,
it's almost it's almost as if they tried to pin
carry Morgan in this corner of like, we know you
may have an issue with her still, so so come here,
tell us all your goods.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, Carrie Morgan said what she had to say, but
she kept it very honest.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
She said, even with the thirty thousand dollars settlement that
she received from Cassie which when we heard about this before,
the way that the Fins tried to angle that settlement
was as if Cassie was admitting guilt to something. That's
admitting guilt to something she was involved in. Kerry Morgan
don't understand. And they instantly said, well, when Cassie came
to you and she, you know, was trying to pay
you for these things, you know that we're alleging that happened,
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the things she did to you, carry Morgan stopped and
she says, she did to me. She didn't do those
things to me. Did he did those Sean Colmbs did
those things to me? Cassie was the middle person. Cassie
just came to me and said, hey, here's how much
he's willing to pay you. And they fell out because
Cassie was downplaying the abuse, which again it's like, of
course she was downplaying the abuse. She was a woman
(16:10):
that was being abused, as we saw, there's no you
can't question that anymore. So of course she's downplaying it
because she stayed there for all those years, right, But
that's why they stopped speaking. But I think I thought
that that was such an interesting point when she made
that clear, like no, no, No, let's keep the main thing.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
The main thing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
He came up with this number, thirty thousand dollars. Allegedly
he came to Cassie. Cassie then called her friend and said,
y'all let's meet up. They meet up. She's like, hey,
signus Nda, you can't go nowhere. You can't talk about this.
You can't this, you can't that. You're over doing you're
being dramatic, you're doing too much. This is did was,
She alleged to Cassi's saying like she downplayed it, offered
her the money. Carrie took the money and went about
(16:48):
her business. But it was very clear that from what
Kary we're gonna say, and Cassie made it very clear
that money was coming from Diddy for the things that
he had done previous to that. Cary Morgan also testified
that when he walked into Cassie's apartment that day, or
Cassie's home that day, and that hanger incident when he
allegedly hit her with a hanger that they keep going
(17:08):
back to happen, he came in and said, who's she
cheating on me? With the defense trying to make it
seem like that incident happened because Diddy was trying to
protect Cassie from Carrie Morgan and another woman because of
the drugs that they were allegedly doing together, which Kry
Morgan didn't deny. She said that they were doing drugs together,
but she said not that day in that house. There
were no drugs even there. According to what she said,
I'm Laura of the Rose that this is the latest.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I'm about to get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Catch us tomorrow back here, same place, New York for
the trial of US versus Shawn comes
Gee, I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about
everything and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that. Right,
y'all know where we're at.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're back here at the court today for the latest
with Laurna Rosa, and today the latest is like normally,
when I walk out, I'll be like, all right, boom,
I feel like the prosecution took it boom.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I feel like the defense took it today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today, I don't have a strong opinion about either side.
This is what I think deflated Diddy's legal teams set
up of what they were trying to do. So diddy
legal teams spent a lot of time on trying to
debunk ding Richard's credibility because she couldn't remember certain timelines.
There were missteps in what she said to prosecutors and
then to you know, they're on the stand because of
(00:40):
the timeline and she was saying, yo, it's been a
long time. But Carrie Morgan came on the stand and
essentially did the same thing. She remembered the very high
level points. She remembers certain things, but because of the
time period and how long ago this stuff was, she
would say that was so long ago, I don't remember,
and the defense didn't lean in on it, Like the
defense didn't even acknowledge the fact that she was saying
(01:00):
the same thing Dawn was saying about not being able
to remember it. But they did everything that they could
do to basically, like when Dorn was on the stand,
they dragged baby Girl for not being able to remember
certain dates right. But when Carrie Morgan got on the
stand and they thought that this was going to prove
a lot of the points they wanted to prove, they
let her ride. So let's just talk about what happened
(01:20):
briefly to break it down for you. First witness up
Dormshard and Dawn's testimony was really heavily predicated on her
civil lawsuit that she filed. So Dawn talks a lot
about witnessing an incident with Cassie or a couple incidents,
but the first one that she went into and that
they spent a lot of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Time on was the egg frying.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The egg incident, Dawn alleged that they were at Diddy
and Cassie's home in La Cassie was downstairs in the
kitchen making eggs for Diddy, letting them cool, and he
got upset because they were taking so long. In her lawsuit,
Don alleges that she came down sir, that Diddy came downstairs,
he was upset. He went to go hit Cassie with
(01:59):
the front Cassie fell to the ground in a feudal
position on the stand.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
She also let the same thing, however, where.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
They were allegedly all at a New York like city festival,
and the festival, she says, was when they were supposed
to be announcing the eighty Dirty Money group, and that
it was Hers Harper, who was her other band member,
Diddy and Cassie and they were in this place, his
home in New York, and Cassie and Diddy were arguing
about something. Diddy got upset allegedly hit Cassie in her face.
(02:31):
She says that her and Kiera Harper were allegedly in
the bathroom doing her makeup, getting ready to go. Cassie
comes in and Cassie's like quiet, but she's obviously upset.
She's crying and she's trying to fix her makeup. Her
face is swelling. She ends up having to wear glasses
to the event that they went to. They get to
this event, they're there they make it through if they
wear glasses. She's asked about, you know, would she ever
(02:52):
say anything in any of these instances, and she says,
you know, she would say things. She would go to
Cassie and say, allegedly, you need to leave him, But
she says that, you know, event charity with her and
back up a bit because she knew Cassie wasn't ready
to leave him, so she would do things like they
would all wear glasses together so that Cassie wouldn'teel embarrassed
or you know, like she talked about Cassie still having
dreams and wanted to fulfill her music dreams and her
(03:13):
modeling dreams and all these different things, and on offer
to like write for her like, so it gave that
she was, you know, trying to silently support her. Dawn
also talked about that day after the alleged egg accident
incident happened, and she says that after that incident, the
day after, y'all recall even in her lawsuit, she says
that the day after, Diddy came into a room a
(03:35):
recording studio that her and kier Her and her band
My Members Harper were allegedly in and told them like
that was just passion that y'all saw nobody's hurt and
sold them like y'all need to don't say nothing about
what y'all saw, because who people who talk about, you know,
these type of things when it comes to me go missing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So they let her go. They let her talk about
all these different incidents.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
They also talked about an incident in la that Dawn
alleged happened with Diddy and Cassie, and she alleged she
alleged when she was talking to the prosecution that there
were a lot of other people there. So they clarify, well,
who were the other people there that worked for him?
And she says that, you know, she allected that security
was there. She unless that there were some assistants there.
And then now the defense comes on, right, so this
(04:20):
is Diddy team. Diddy teams come on and he they
just basically go through event event event event that she
had named on face value. I'm not even gonna lie
on face value it gave. They didn't hold back on
Dawn whatsoever. They cooked her. And the reason why I
say that is because at face value, right, like just
listening to it, there were so many times where she
(04:42):
had recalled things that they would say, Oh, well, that
wasn't mentioned in your testimony to the prosecutors, which is
a testimony where you know you're supposed to be telling
the truth. Right, for instance, whether Darmer shards testimony should
honestly even be admitted. Because Diddy's team was trying to say, look,
(05:03):
we can't just pull out all these random acts of
violence that people are alleging and throw them on you know, Diddy,
because it doesn't prove what we're here to have a
conversation about, which is a sex trafficking and you know,
all these other things. The prosecution was like, oh no,
it does because when you talk about these acts of
alleged domestic violence and you have these witnesses giving these
first hand accounts, it shows how fearful they were, especially Dawn,
(05:27):
who is alleging that not only does she see him
get physical with Cassie, but she was threatened to if
you say something, this is what will happen. And that
right there is what the prosecution is trying to That's
the biggest thing they're trying to prove, is that Diddy
has this nature about him allegedly where it's like.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
If you say I do this.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I do what I want, and if anyone goes against that,
or if you say something that goes against that, here
is the consequence that will happen from that, right, And
that's what she was alleging. So the defense comes on
and they specifically go right at that claim. They're like, look,
you have these interviews with prosecutors, right, And she's like yeah.
Don is like yeah, and they're like, you're supposed to
be honest in these interviews with prosecutors, right, like it
(06:09):
I it is like assumed, and you know that you're
supposed to be honest, and she's like, of course. So
the defense attorney, who Nicole Westmoreland, who was the attorney
that you know a lot of people were kind of
waiting to see how she crossed examined. This was her
first time actually getting up and going and cross examining
with the witness, because we had heard that she was
so good at strategy behind cross examination. She's like, okay, well,
(06:30):
you know, you mentioned a couple things in your story
here on the stand that don't reflect what you told
the prosecutors and your interviews and you met with them
a few times, correct and down, you know, didn't didn't
argue that she didn't meet with them a few times.
There were like three to four times from the first
interview until the until you know now when we are
(06:52):
when we're seeing don where Dawn did not mention at
all the fact that she was threatened allegedly by Puff
and what Miss west Moreland did that I thought was
very good was before she brought back up that threat
and the fact that it wasn't mentioned, and a lot
of the interviews that Dawn had with the prosecutors, she said,
I want to make sure that I understand when Shawn
(07:15):
Holmes allegedly threatened you, right, what did you take that
threat as? And Dawn said, you know what, I took
that threat if I did something. He would allegedly kill
me if I did something. She said, okay, so we
have it established that you were at fear for your
life and doing It's like yeah. So then she goes
on the line of times that Dawn did not mention
this to the prosecutors the government and she's like, well,
(07:39):
let's be clear, Shawn Holmes was not in the room
when you did that interview, and she said no, she said,
none of us were in that room, right, None of
the lawyers, none of the attorneys were in the room
and did the interview. She said no, and she said, well,
I'm very confused as to if you weren't fear for
your life, why wouldn't you bring that into the interview.
Why wouldn't you tell the government that Wes Moreland then
did the same thing, And the fact that Dawn had
(08:01):
communication with Diddy. She established the fact that you know,
dawnval is a part of Danady Kane and Dandy Kane,
you know, and Diddy and Dirty Money were these really
big groups and they were platinum and they were successful.
And she, you know, was like, well, you you went
on to do things by yourself after that, and it
just wasn't as successful. So you kind of see where
she's gone when she starts implying these things and saying
(08:22):
these things, and she's like, you know, in twenty eleven,
you say you got away, you decided to leave, never
say anything about anything you saw because you were instructed
to do so. And Dawn is like, you agree, like, yes,
I left in twenty eleven. I was told by you know,
allegedly Puff and a guy named Harf Pierre that was like,
you know, an executive that worked with Puff not to
say anything about anything. So she says she listened again
(08:44):
because she was in fear for her life from that
one incident that she had directly when she had that
threat thrown directly at her allegedly, and then everything else
that she had saw over time. So Wes Moreland, who
was the defense attorney, is like, well, you say that
you left in twenty eleven, but there was communications with
Shawan after that, And at first Dawn is kind of
(09:06):
like like she uh, and then she brings up the communications.
She's like, Okay, She's like, well, here's a text conversation.
Because before that, the way that Dawn was mentioning in
the conversations they were having was is if Diddy would
reach out to her whenever she would have these high
moments in her career, and she would make sure that,
you know, she her temperament was right like calling him bro,
(09:27):
just trying to make sure she didn't make him upset
and you know, making sure that the situation was diffused
because she had dealt with him, you know, dealt with
all this before, so she knew how to, you know,
just not put flames to the situation. But Miss west
Moreland came on and she's like, look, you left in
twenty eleven. You were away, you had no ties, you
had no reason to be in contact with them. Then
they start bringing up these these communications. So one of
(09:47):
the communications that they brought up was from a year
where Dawn had reached out to allegedly work with Puff.
Now here's the thing. The defense didn't clarify what those
communications were. All the defense said was, well, you reached
out to him. Y'all had conversations despite you saying he
was only reaching out to you. And she's like, correct now,
(10:10):
And at the same time, every single time there's a
hole that Wes Moreland grabs out, she mentions, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Your story's changing, your story's changing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It got to a point where Don literally had to say, yes,
my story is changing, but it's changing because the more
I talk about this stuff, the more I remember, I'm
doing this testimony to the best of my ability.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Period.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Now I say all that, and remember I told you like,
it was so weird today because it was like you
felt one way until her from the other side, Because
then the prosecution came back in and the prosecution is
now asking her questions again behind the defence and they clarified.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
They clarified that the.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Communication that Dawn had with Diddy following her leaving in
twenty eleven was number one because she was trying to
be a part of making the band.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
There there was like another making the band announced.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
She had had some conversations about being a part of that,
and she specifically was trying to, you know, work with
Laurian Gibson, who was going to be more and so
working with that not puff puh, thank you, not puff right,
And she's like, okay, did he wasn't involved in that
though he wasn't going to be a judge on that.
The conversation of relationship I was trying to build this
is Dawn is Laurian Gibson. So she said, you know,
I had conversations and I was told I needed to
(11:20):
reach out to Diddy to make sure that it was
okay that I did this. So she said, that's one
time that she reached out and he didn't reach out
to her. She said the second time was because she
was trying to do something for a friend, do something
for ms Kleena Harper, who was the other band member
of Diddy Dirty Money. But neither side ever clarified what
she was trying to do. But she just kept saying,
I was just trying to help a friend.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
They didn't. Again, the defense leaned back.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Into the whole you know, there's hols in your story
why things changed, And she's like, man, I'm remembering the
best I can remember. The prosecution when they came back
and they're like, Yo, what was the time on on
this stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
How long ago was some of this stuff?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So again pointed to the fact that this stuff was
a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A lot of this stuff she may not remember.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
There was a big moment too, though, where Dawn couldn't
speak to the fact that her attorneys had allegedly sense
a settlement offer to Diddy.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
She had no idea of it at all.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Understand there was a misquote in her lawsuit filing. So
the civil lawsuit that dorn Richard files, and I thought
it was interesting how the civil lawsuits were coming into
conversations so much here in this criminal federal court. So
in the lawsuit filing, the civil lawsuit filing that Dormochard has,
she mentioned an incident where she saw Cassie allegedly being
(12:34):
drugged by her hair through grass. Diddy's legal team brought
that up because again they're trying to just deflate her credibility,
and they're like, do you remember telling prosecutors that that
didn't happen that way? And she's like doing it, she's
she was very honest about it. She was like, yes,
I told the prosecutors that that was a misquote for
(12:55):
my attorney, and they just left it at that. Like
they did everything they could to poke poles in and
we's Moore was really good at poking the holes. But
again when the prosecutors came in and doubled back behind it,
they did everything they could to be like, Okay, that
hole was there, but here's why. And then they brought
Carrie Morgan on a stand who was friends, very close
friends with Cassie for a very very long time, who
(13:19):
the prosecution. You know, they let her go. They let
her tell her different stories and recount different things, and
you know, she really I don't even think we needed it,
to be honest, because Cassie had already done her due
diligence at telling her story about all the abuse that
she suffered and things that that nature. And they had
photos to a company. We've seen the video from the
Intercontinental hotel. So I don't think that the jury needed
(13:42):
to be sold on domestic violence when it comes to Diddy, right.
But one thing that I thought was interesting with Cary
Morgan and it was certain things that they both remembered
that were key, right because like Cary Morgan remembered the.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hangar incident, you know, she remembered going to urgent care.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
They tried, they did try to trip carry Morgan up
a bit. They the defense did, did he seem because
she had said that in her report to in her
interview with the prosecutors priors to come in to court,
she had said that she went to a hospital on
the scene, she said an urgent care, and she said
to herself, like yo, urgent care in hospital was like
the same thing. There were small ways where they were
trying to trip he up, but they couldn't really get
her because she was honest about what she didn't know.
(14:21):
She didn't second guess it what she did know. She
stuck straight to that. And if you asks her five
different ways, she was you know what I mean, she
was saying the same thing. So it really made today
like it made me feel indifferent about today in both testimonies,
but at high level that I was a breakdown of today.
Let me know how y'all are feeling, because I'm feeling
like neither of those testimonies changed what I already knew.
(14:44):
I already knew because I saw the videos and I
saw photos and I heard cast is testimony that Diddy
was extremely physically violent to her. One thing I did
want to point out with Carrie Mooregon and the defense
trying to use Carrie Morgan as a way to angle
Cassie into like jealousy and anger and.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You know, having a motive and you know all these things.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I feel like, even though she was very honest about
her testimony, and I think that they thought because they've know,
they haven't been friends for a while, and there was
like a settlement that happened, and you know Carrie Morgan,
it's almost it's almost as if they tried to pin
carry Morgan in this corner of like, we know you
may have an issue with her still, so so come here,
tell us all your goods.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, Carrie Morgan said what she had to say, but
she kept it very honest.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
She said, even with the thirty thousand dollars settlement that
she received from Cassie which when we heard about this before,
the way that the Fins tried to angle that settlement
was as if Cassie was admitting guilt to something. That's
admitting guilt to something she was involved in. Kerry Morgan
don't understand. And they instantly said, well, when Cassie came
to you and she, you know, was trying to pay
you for these things, you know that we're alleging that happened,
(15:50):
the things she did to you, carry Morgan stopped and
she says, she did to me. She didn't do those
things to me. Did he did those Sean Colmbs did
those things to me? Cassie was the middle person. Cassie
just came to me and said, hey, here's how much
he's willing to pay you. And they fell out because
Cassie was downplaying the abuse, which again it's like, of
course she was downplaying the abuse. She was a woman
(16:10):
that was being abused, as we saw, there's no you
can't question that anymore. So of course she's downplaying it
because she stayed there for all those years, right, But
that's why they stopped speaking. But I think I thought
that that was such an interesting point when she made
that clear, like no, no, No, let's keep the main thing.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
The main thing.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
He came up with this number, thirty thousand dollars. Allegedly
he came to Cassie. Cassie then called her friend and said,
y'all let's meet up. They meet up. She's like, hey,
signus Nda, you can't go nowhere. You can't talk about this.
You can't this, you can't that. You're over doing you're
being dramatic, you're doing too much. This is did was,
She alleged to Cassi's saying like she downplayed it, offered
her the money. Carrie took the money and went about
(16:48):
her business. But it was very clear that from what
Kary we're gonna say, and Cassie made it very clear
that money was coming from Diddy for the things that
he had done previous to that. Cary Morgan also testified
that when he walked into Cassie's apartment that day, or
Cassie's home that day, and that hanger incident when he
allegedly hit her with a hanger that they keep going
(17:08):
back to happen, he came in and said, who's she
cheating on me? With the defense trying to make it
seem like that incident happened because Diddy was trying to
protect Cassie from Carrie Morgan and another woman because of
the drugs that they were allegedly doing together, which Kry
Morgan didn't deny. She said that they were doing drugs together,
but she said not that day in that house. There
were no drugs even there. According to what she said,
I'm Laura of the Rose that this is the latest.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I'm about to get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Catch us tomorrow back here, same place, New York for
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