September 25, 2025 • 17 mins
Loren is back in court with Diddy today and giving us the update on where the defense, where the prosecution and where the judge stands at this point, right before the sentencing occurs next week.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all,
what's up.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's Laura l Rosa and this is the latest with
Laura Roza. This is your daily dig on all things
pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That shake the room. Baby. Now, I just got home
from court.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You know, your girl love to take y'all a court,
lot to take y'all a court. I didn't plan on
being in court for Diddy again until October third, but
today there was actually a hearing about whether Diddy's charges,
the two Men Act charges or the two men accounts
that he has been convicted with, whether.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Those will be acquitted or not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Now, I was told heading into this, and I talked
about this a bit on the Breakfast Club this morning,
that because Diddy, you know, was coming, was told to
come into court. You know, all of course, all of
his attorneys are there, his family is there. You know,
there was some hope that this would be a day
where things would be laid out and things, you know,
(01:10):
we would hear possibly that he would be acquitted of
some things. Potentially I was told that there was hope
on his end that that is what today would be
and moving forward, that's what today will equal to. Judge
did not make a decision in court today. But I'm
gonna be honest with y'all. I was sitting in court
today and it was short. We got it started at eleven.
It was over around like one, like not too long
(01:32):
at the one o'clock PM. And I was sitting in
court and I'm looking at Diddy. He's in an inmate jumpsuit.
It's ten His hair has been very gray with some black,
but you know, it's longer now, like you can tell.
He hasn't cut it. It's not like shackles or anything
like that. But he isn't an inmate jumpsuit.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm in an overflow room, so I'm watching the main
courtroom from a TV monitor, and I'm just like, man,
all of these weeks, all of these days, all of
the these hours that has been spent for us to
get to this moment, I don't know if it was
really worth it for the government. If I'm being honest
with y'all. In the beginning of all of this, you know,
(02:11):
because because typically with the Feds when they come for you,
they got some things going on.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Okay, they got some.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Things going on, Like the Feds are not just coming
for you off of whim, especially not coming by land
and by sea. So when I'm there and the prosecution
is beginning to lay out their case, that this first week,
and you know, you guys will remember I told you
I thought Diddy's team, his defense team, his attorneys, did
(02:39):
a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Even from the very first day of court.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I thought, even though the prosecution was laying out a case,
and you know, they were slowly setting up this narrative,
and you know they were setting us up for the
slam dunk, I really thought Diddy's team did a great
job of always coming back and defending, always coming back
and reminding you of certain things that cast a bit
of doubt, especially when it came to that Rico charge.
(03:03):
But I thought, by the end of this case, you know,
we'd be thinking maybe Diddy's looking at anywhere from six
to ten years with sometimes served.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Now, I would be surprised if.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Diddy is gonna be I would say three years would
be a lot for him in this situation. He's already done.
It's going to be fourteen months. Sometime soon they're asking
for time served. And today Ditty's attorney, Shapiro, Diddy's attorney,
she stood up at the at the end of everything,
at the end of them arguing back and forth for
(03:37):
all these hours about things we don't heard them say
a thousand and one times, she stood up and she said,
this is the biggest embarrassment to the United States of America.
She's talking about this whole first of all, the whole case,
but just the fact that Diddy is still sitting here
on these Men Act prostitution charges.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I said, oh, I know what this is about. Baby.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
They know how to feed the media, don't they, Because
that right there, that was a hell of the headline.
That was a hell of a mic drop moment. So
I want to back you guys up and just take
you through what court today was like. So we were there,
court begins and they're arguing back and forth.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's kind of like a ping pong.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So the defense is arguing that basically, what are we
even doing here? These are consenting adults, Cassie Jane and
Ditty who were in a relationship at various times with Diddy,
and they decided to go and do threesomes and live
this voyeurism lifestyle, and because of that, now their client,
Diddy is facing time in jail, which is not fair.
(04:37):
They also leaned heavily into, you know, bringing up the
fact that the Man Act and a lot of the
background on the Man Act is you know, has very
you know, racial undertones. That has been a conversation and
that leans back into kind of what Diddy's team's narrative
has been this whole time. Their narrative this whole time
has been Diddy is a black man with money, with
(04:58):
power who is being targeted by the government. The prosecution
came in and said, listen, we already addressed all of that,
so y'all could try that if y'all want to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We've already addressed all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not only did we already address it, but a jury
sat here for seven to eight weeks and heard all
of this, all of these claims, everything that you guys
are bringing up, and they decided that we needed to
be here. They convicted him, not us, did he team also,
you know, took a lot of time establishing what prostitution
(05:30):
is it's not, and what should be considered a john
or not because Diddy's host, Diddy.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's the whole team.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Their argument is that Diddy didn't receive any financial game
from this, so how can this be looked at as
anything but him producing? They called him a great producer
of amateur porn, and I'm like, not Diddy being a
man all up in the videos working in his favor.
In court they called him a producer amateur porn, and
(06:00):
they said, they specifically said this was cooperated because you
had several people get on the stand from assistance to
Jane Doe to Cassie and talk about how well produced
these king knights or these Hotel knights were great. Lighting,
everything was choreographed because Diddy was telling the girls what
(06:20):
to do, what to wear.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
There was costume, there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Was they made it a full production, baby, And they said,
there's two things in two.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Ways this can be looked at.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He was a great producer of amateur porn and he
was a consumer of amateur porn, which you can't he
can't be he can't be convicted of these counts under
the Man Act because of that that violates his First
Amendment rights, which gives him the right to do so.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The prosecution said.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's not you know, we're not even going there with
y'all because the Man Act and the way that we're
angling this does not violate his constitutional rights. So let's see,
let's stop there. And then that's when Diddy's team brought
back in. You know, the mic drop of this is embarrassment.
Why are we even here? What is this all about?
These people were consenting. There is not proof that Diddy
(07:08):
benefited anyway financially. Now, one thing that I thought was interesting,
you know, in court today was the fact that, I mean,
I think the judge has been done a really good
job up until this point of being very neutral.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I do think today in court you could.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Tell that, first of all, I predicted the judge is
not going to acquit anything whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's number one. Number two. If Diddy was to get
time served and be able to.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Get the supervisor released and all the things they've asked for,
I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But I also would not be surprised if the.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Judge says, no, we need to look at what prosecution
is asking for on the minimum, like how can we
get closer to there? Because I think one of the
things that you know, I felt in watching and listening
to the judge today in court, was that number one
not letting up when he desired prosecution or the defense.
(08:02):
He wants to make a decision and he wants to
make it very sternly on the law. For instance, he
acts the prosecution. You know, he's like, listen, y'all submitted
all this case law or like previous cases to prove
the point that he deserves to go to jail for
such and such time based on the man act and
you know all the things one of the cases that
(08:23):
you guys submitted, and all the cases you guys submitted.
I need a more specific reference of where a man
is not financially benefiting from these commercial sex.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Acts and he is jailed after being convicted.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I need a better example because what y'all provided for
me there was an exchange of money, and at the time,
the prosecution couldn't even So he's like, do y'all have
any more case study? The prosecution couldn't even come up
with a case on the top of their head, but
they said that they would provide more in their sentencing conversation.
So when he did that, I'm like, okay, Like it's
very good to know that at this judge's still being fair,
(09:01):
even though to me, I could kind of tell that
he's not going for the argument that Diddy's team is
going for with this whole acquittal thing.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I do highly doubt anything will be acquitted.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I thought this was an alert about the case because
we're still waiting for the judge to make a decision
on the acquittal. But he's being very fair. He's being
very tough on both sides. I do think he's going
a little bit harder on Diddy side, though. I think
Diddy's team has not proven.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Anything with the acquittal. I think that's number one.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I also think when you know, because Diddy's team, they
also were making a point that they're trying to define prostitution,
and you know, in defining prostitution, you're able to then pinpoint,
if you're the prosecution, the specific acts that did he
the specific things that did he did that lean into
(09:54):
what the definition of prostitution is.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So Diddy's team is on the other side, you know,
they're trying to define prostitution from their end of things,
and they're trying to lay out everything that proves that
there was intent to consent by the women. So they
bring up the fact that, like, you know, Jane Doe
mentioned she had gotten Diddy a TV so that they
could watch some of the videos they recorded, these highly produced,
(10:18):
choreographed videos right that they're calling amateur porn, and Diddy's
team is like, you know, this is this is just
like OnlyFans, right, and Diddy shaking his head yes during this,
like she's not asking him, she's talking to the judge,
but Diddy was visibly shaking his said yes in agreeance, like,
and she's making the point that with only fans, when
people are watching these acts or whatever they're watching, there
(10:41):
there's an intention. So the woman who is recording the
intention is to show it, and the people who are
watching are consumers who also who.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Attend, who intend to consume.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And she made the point that Diddy's attorney made the
point that that's exact exactly what was happening with Diddy
in the free COFs and the fact that anything was
being recorded.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Things are being recorded.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Not because you know, these women are being paid or
reimbursed for an act that only benefits Diddy, but because
everybody involved had the intent to watch it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
At the end, that was the point that was meant.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But I will say, I think Diddy's team there was
one question at the judge and it was more of
a clarifying question. But I thought that, you know, this
being asked as a clarifying question was very It was
very telling of where I think the judge stands. Again,
this is what made me think the judge is not
going to acquit any of Ditty's charges.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So the judge says okay.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The whole time, the judge is trying to get a
better understanding from both sides, from prosecution and defense, so
he's like okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
To Ditty's attorneys, he's like, so.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're telling me ifs if a businessman and his client
goes to a brothel and the businessman pays the brothel
to have sex with this client, then this is not prostitution.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And she says, no, it's not prostitution.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And the judge is like, and you're saying that it's
not prostitution because at this point the businessman has no
financial gain and she's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So he's like okay.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's trying to understand, but he acts multiple times like
so this is not prostitution. So he's clarifying, but the
undertone to the to the final clarifying question, I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
he's the judge is not buying it whatsoever. And me
walking into court today and sitting there and thinking why
are we here? I think you know that speaks to
the conversation a lot of people are going to be
(12:37):
having about this for a very long time, Like, did
the government overreach? Was everything the government did necessary? Was
all the resources that were used necessary? On and on
and on and so forth. But when it comes specifically
to the two charges that did he is convicted with,
I do believe that in court there was enough there
to convict him.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean, it doesn't matter what I believe. Y'all heard
it from the jury.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But and being in court, I will tell you I
wasn't surprised that those charges stuck whatsoever. Right, So, a
lot of people are having a conversation now when it
comes to prostitution about is this fair? Because right now
at this point, are we just minding someone's sexual business?
(13:16):
Are we minding what goes on in Diddy's bed?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Basically?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, why does the court? Why does the government have
their hand in a man's sex life? So they had
a conversation about this in court today and basically you know,
the judge is asking both sides to clarify, why does
the court care about this and why should we not.
So Diddy seem is saying, look, this was a consensual
relationship grown adults got into. They'd had threesomes, they traveled,
(13:42):
they live this lifestyle. The things that you know can
be brought up as heinous or you know, and of
course they're probably referring to the Cassie video and all
those things. That's not what we are here. We're here
now because of prostitution. So if we're letting all that go,
the reason why the government should be out of Diddy's
bedroom is because it was behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
These are consenting adults.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
The government was like, wait, what, No, the problem is,
according to the government, any case where someone has been
has faced a consequence for prostitution, or any law that
you know centers around prostitution, the point of those laws
is because prostitution extends an arm to bigger things like
(14:27):
harm in the community in different ways. So they talked about,
you know, exposure to drug use, They talked about laws
being created around prostitution because you want to monitor abuse
against women in various ways. You want to monitor drug use,
you know, and the prosecution is like, if we look
at it, all of that is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
There were drugs given to everyone involved in this, and
every time they testified they said that they came the
drugs came from Diddy. There was obvious abuse to women.
They talk about Casside. The prosecution they ate with this one.
So the prosecution, you know, after Diddy's team, it's like, listen,
this is this man's personal bed. The government should not
be in his personal bed. This is an embarrassment. Blah
(15:08):
blah blah blah blah. The government comes back in and
they're like, basically they wanted to say embarrassment, embarrassment, girl aware,
because let's talk about what happens behind those closed doors.
They specifically say Cassie was getting her face beating. Drugs
were given to everybody, which is why in a case
like this, that's why we're sitting here.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
The decisions were made by the defense's client.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Now, listen, Diddy is to be sentenced October third, if
nothing is acquitted. I will tell you one thing too
that I thought was telling in the courtroom what the
judge basically was trying to do with say, okay, if
we are. If nothing is acquitted here, I will see
you all next Friday, court is adjourned. Instead of doing that,
he kind of stumbled on his words a bit. So
(15:52):
the judge said, I'll see you all next and then
he stopped. He said, if nothing is acquitted, i'll see
you all next week. And I'm like, oh, baby, the
judge road got his mind made up. I'll see you
next week, Judge, we'll all be here Friday. We'll be here,
light and bright.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah. Man, don't I don't know. I do think. I
always say I don't know, and then I'll tell you
what I know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I do think that the conversation on whether the government
wasted their time going so hard reaching so high in
the beginning will always be a thing, and I think
it definitely looks insane. But I don't think that a
judge is looking at any of that when making his
decision about the two counts that Diddy is facing right now.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Diddy's team, you know, they talked about a bunch of
different things. They talked about, you know, his his First
Amendment rights. They talked about you know, consensual versus non consensual.
They went into all that, But them still leaning the
strongest on Basically, this was an overreach, this was targeting,
and this is embarrassing. The judge ain't face baby. The
judge doesn't care about any of that whatsoever. The judge
(16:53):
is looking at right now. What are we dealing with?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What are we like The.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Things that you could have said were the overreach, which
was the rico with things of that nature. He's not
Those charges are not here anymore. So let's focus on
what we're focusing on.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We here.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I don't think an a quittal will happen, but we'll
have to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
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Speaker 1 (17:16):
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Speaker 2 (17:21):
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Speaker 1 (17:21):
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and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, if you don't lie about that. Right, Hey, y'all,
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's Laura l Rosa and this is the latest with
Laura Roza. This is your daily dig on all things
pop culture, entertainment, news and all of the conversations.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That shake the room. Baby. Now, I just got home
from court.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You know, your girl love to take y'all a court,
lot to take y'all a court. I didn't plan on
being in court for Diddy again until October third, but
today there was actually a hearing about whether Diddy's charges,
the two Men Act charges or the two men accounts
that he has been convicted with, whether.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Those will be acquitted or not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Now, I was told heading into this, and I talked
about this a bit on the Breakfast Club this morning,
that because Diddy, you know, was coming, was told to
come into court. You know, all of course, all of
his attorneys are there, his family is there. You know,
there was some hope that this would be a day
where things would be laid out and things, you know,
(01:10):
we would hear possibly that he would be acquitted of
some things. Potentially I was told that there was hope
on his end that that is what today would be
and moving forward, that's what today will equal to. Judge
did not make a decision in court today. But I'm
gonna be honest with y'all. I was sitting in court
today and it was short. We got it started at eleven.
It was over around like one, like not too long
(01:32):
at the one o'clock PM. And I was sitting in
court and I'm looking at Diddy. He's in an inmate jumpsuit.
It's ten His hair has been very gray with some black,
but you know, it's longer now, like you can tell.
He hasn't cut it. It's not like shackles or anything
like that. But he isn't an inmate jumpsuit.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm in an overflow room, so I'm watching the main
courtroom from a TV monitor, and I'm just like, man,
all of these weeks, all of these days, all of
the these hours that has been spent for us to
get to this moment, I don't know if it was
really worth it for the government. If I'm being honest
with y'all. In the beginning of all of this, you know,
(02:11):
because because typically with the Feds when they come for you,
they got some things going on.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Okay, they got some.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Things going on, Like the Feds are not just coming
for you off of whim, especially not coming by land
and by sea. So when I'm there and the prosecution
is beginning to lay out their case, that this first week,
and you know, you guys will remember I told you
I thought Diddy's team, his defense team, his attorneys, did
(02:39):
a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Even from the very first day of court.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I thought, even though the prosecution was laying out a case,
and you know, they were slowly setting up this narrative,
and you know they were setting us up for the
slam dunk, I really thought Diddy's team did a great
job of always coming back and defending, always coming back
and reminding you of certain things that cast a bit
of doubt, especially when it came to that Rico charge.
(03:03):
But I thought, by the end of this case, you know,
we'd be thinking maybe Diddy's looking at anywhere from six
to ten years with sometimes served.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Now, I would be surprised if.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Diddy is gonna be I would say three years would
be a lot for him in this situation. He's already done.
It's going to be fourteen months. Sometime soon they're asking
for time served. And today Ditty's attorney, Shapiro, Diddy's attorney,
she stood up at the at the end of everything,
at the end of them arguing back and forth for
(03:37):
all these hours about things we don't heard them say
a thousand and one times, she stood up and she said,
this is the biggest embarrassment to the United States of America.
She's talking about this whole first of all, the whole case,
but just the fact that Diddy is still sitting here
on these Men Act prostitution charges.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I said, oh, I know what this is about. Baby.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
They know how to feed the media, don't they, Because
that right there, that was a hell of the headline.
That was a hell of a mic drop moment. So
I want to back you guys up and just take
you through what court today was like. So we were there,
court begins and they're arguing back and forth.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's kind of like a ping pong.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So the defense is arguing that basically, what are we
even doing here? These are consenting adults, Cassie Jane and
Ditty who were in a relationship at various times with Diddy,
and they decided to go and do threesomes and live
this voyeurism lifestyle, and because of that, now their client,
Diddy is facing time in jail, which is not fair.
(04:37):
They also leaned heavily into, you know, bringing up the
fact that the Man Act and a lot of the
background on the Man Act is you know, has very
you know, racial undertones. That has been a conversation and
that leans back into kind of what Diddy's team's narrative
has been this whole time. Their narrative this whole time
has been Diddy is a black man with money, with
(04:58):
power who is being targeted by the government. The prosecution
came in and said, listen, we already addressed all of that,
so y'all could try that if y'all want to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We've already addressed all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Not only did we already address it, but a jury
sat here for seven to eight weeks and heard all
of this, all of these claims, everything that you guys
are bringing up, and they decided that we needed to
be here. They convicted him, not us, did he team also,
you know, took a lot of time establishing what prostitution
(05:30):
is it's not, and what should be considered a john
or not because Diddy's host, Diddy.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's the whole team.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Their argument is that Diddy didn't receive any financial game
from this, so how can this be looked at as
anything but him producing? They called him a great producer
of amateur porn, and I'm like, not Diddy being a
man all up in the videos working in his favor.
In court they called him a producer amateur porn, and
(06:00):
they said, they specifically said this was cooperated because you
had several people get on the stand from assistance to
Jane Doe to Cassie and talk about how well produced
these king knights or these Hotel knights were great. Lighting,
everything was choreographed because Diddy was telling the girls what
(06:20):
to do, what to wear.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
There was costume, there.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Was they made it a full production, baby, And they said,
there's two things in two.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Ways this can be looked at.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He was a great producer of amateur porn and he
was a consumer of amateur porn, which you can't he
can't be he can't be convicted of these counts under
the Man Act because of that that violates his First
Amendment rights, which gives him the right to do so.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
The prosecution said.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's not you know, we're not even going there with
y'all because the Man Act and the way that we're
angling this does not violate his constitutional rights. So let's see,
let's stop there. And then that's when Diddy's team brought
back in. You know, the mic drop of this is embarrassment.
Why are we even here? What is this all about?
These people were consenting. There is not proof that Diddy
(07:08):
benefited anyway financially. Now, one thing that I thought was interesting,
you know, in court today was the fact that, I mean,
I think the judge has been done a really good
job up until this point of being very neutral.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I do think today in court you could.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Tell that, first of all, I predicted the judge is
not going to acquit anything whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's number one. Number two. If Diddy was to get
time served and be able to.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Get the supervisor released and all the things they've asked for,
I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But I also would not be surprised if the.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Judge says, no, we need to look at what prosecution
is asking for on the minimum, like how can we
get closer to there? Because I think one of the
things that you know, I felt in watching and listening
to the judge today in court, was that number one
not letting up when he desired prosecution or the defense.
(08:02):
He wants to make a decision and he wants to
make it very sternly on the law. For instance, he
acts the prosecution. You know, he's like, listen, y'all submitted
all this case law or like previous cases to prove
the point that he deserves to go to jail for
such and such time based on the man act and
you know all the things one of the cases that
(08:23):
you guys submitted, and all the cases you guys submitted.
I need a more specific reference of where a man
is not financially benefiting from these commercial sex.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Acts and he is jailed after being convicted.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I need a better example because what y'all provided for
me there was an exchange of money, and at the time,
the prosecution couldn't even So he's like, do y'all have
any more case study? The prosecution couldn't even come up
with a case on the top of their head, but
they said that they would provide more in their sentencing conversation.
So when he did that, I'm like, okay, Like it's
very good to know that at this judge's still being fair,
(09:01):
even though to me, I could kind of tell that
he's not going for the argument that Diddy's team is
going for with this whole acquittal thing.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I do highly doubt anything will be acquitted.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I thought this was an alert about the case because
we're still waiting for the judge to make a decision
on the acquittal. But he's being very fair. He's being
very tough on both sides. I do think he's going
a little bit harder on Diddy side, though. I think
Diddy's team has not proven.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Anything with the acquittal. I think that's number one.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I also think when you know, because Diddy's team, they
also were making a point that they're trying to define prostitution,
and you know, in defining prostitution, you're able to then pinpoint,
if you're the prosecution, the specific acts that did he
the specific things that did he did that lean into
(09:54):
what the definition of prostitution is.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So Diddy's team is on the other side, you know,
they're trying to define prostitution from their end of things,
and they're trying to lay out everything that proves that
there was intent to consent by the women. So they
bring up the fact that, like, you know, Jane Doe
mentioned she had gotten Diddy a TV so that they
could watch some of the videos they recorded, these highly produced,
(10:18):
choreographed videos right that they're calling amateur porn, and Diddy's
team is like, you know, this is this is just
like OnlyFans, right, and Diddy shaking his head yes during this,
like she's not asking him, she's talking to the judge,
but Diddy was visibly shaking his said yes in agreeance, like,
and she's making the point that with only fans, when
people are watching these acts or whatever they're watching, there
(10:41):
there's an intention. So the woman who is recording the
intention is to show it, and the people who are
watching are consumers who also who.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Attend, who intend to consume.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And she made the point that Diddy's attorney made the
point that that's exact exactly what was happening with Diddy
in the free COFs and the fact that anything was
being recorded.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Things are being recorded.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Not because you know, these women are being paid or
reimbursed for an act that only benefits Diddy, but because
everybody involved had the intent to watch it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
At the end, that was the point that was meant.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But I will say, I think Diddy's team there was
one question at the judge and it was more of
a clarifying question. But I thought that, you know, this
being asked as a clarifying question was very It was
very telling of where I think the judge stands. Again,
this is what made me think the judge is not
going to acquit any of Ditty's charges.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So the judge says okay.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The whole time, the judge is trying to get a
better understanding from both sides, from prosecution and defense, so
he's like okay.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
To Ditty's attorneys, he's like, so.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You're telling me ifs if a businessman and his client
goes to a brothel and the businessman pays the brothel
to have sex with this client, then this is not prostitution.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And she says, no, it's not prostitution.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And the judge is like, and you're saying that it's
not prostitution because at this point the businessman has no
financial gain and she's like yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So he's like okay.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's trying to understand, but he acts multiple times like
so this is not prostitution. So he's clarifying, but the
undertone to the to the final clarifying question, I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
he's the judge is not buying it whatsoever. And me
walking into court today and sitting there and thinking why
are we here? I think you know that speaks to
the conversation a lot of people are going to be
(12:37):
having about this for a very long time, Like, did
the government overreach? Was everything the government did necessary? Was
all the resources that were used necessary? On and on
and on and so forth. But when it comes specifically
to the two charges that did he is convicted with,
I do believe that in court there was enough there
to convict him.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean, it doesn't matter what I believe. Y'all heard
it from the jury.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But and being in court, I will tell you I
wasn't surprised that those charges stuck whatsoever. Right, So, a
lot of people are having a conversation now when it
comes to prostitution about is this fair? Because right now
at this point, are we just minding someone's sexual business?
(13:16):
Are we minding what goes on in Diddy's bed?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Basically?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Right, why does the court? Why does the government have
their hand in a man's sex life? So they had
a conversation about this in court today and basically you know,
the judge is asking both sides to clarify, why does
the court care about this and why should we not.
So Diddy seem is saying, look, this was a consensual
relationship grown adults got into. They'd had threesomes, they traveled,
(13:42):
they live this lifestyle. The things that you know can
be brought up as heinous or you know, and of
course they're probably referring to the Cassie video and all
those things. That's not what we are here. We're here
now because of prostitution. So if we're letting all that go,
the reason why the government should be out of Diddy's
bedroom is because it was behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
These are consenting adults.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
The government was like, wait, what, No, the problem is,
according to the government, any case where someone has been
has faced a consequence for prostitution, or any law that
you know centers around prostitution, the point of those laws
is because prostitution extends an arm to bigger things like
(14:27):
harm in the community in different ways. So they talked about,
you know, exposure to drug use, They talked about laws
being created around prostitution because you want to monitor abuse
against women in various ways. You want to monitor drug use,
you know, and the prosecution is like, if we look
at it, all of that is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
There were drugs given to everyone involved in this, and
every time they testified they said that they came the
drugs came from Diddy. There was obvious abuse to women.
They talk about Casside. The prosecution they ate with this one.
So the prosecution, you know, after Diddy's team, it's like, listen,
this is this man's personal bed. The government should not
be in his personal bed. This is an embarrassment. Blah
(15:08):
blah blah blah blah. The government comes back in and
they're like, basically they wanted to say embarrassment, embarrassment, girl aware,
because let's talk about what happens behind those closed doors.
They specifically say Cassie was getting her face beating. Drugs
were given to everybody, which is why in a case
like this, that's why we're sitting here.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
The decisions were made by the defense's client.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Now, listen, Diddy is to be sentenced October third, if
nothing is acquitted. I will tell you one thing too
that I thought was telling in the courtroom what the
judge basically was trying to do with say, okay, if
we are. If nothing is acquitted here, I will see
you all next Friday, court is adjourned. Instead of doing that,
he kind of stumbled on his words a bit. So
(15:52):
the judge said, I'll see you all next and then
he stopped. He said, if nothing is acquitted, i'll see
you all next week. And I'm like, oh, baby, the
judge road got his mind made up. I'll see you
next week, Judge, we'll all be here Friday. We'll be here,
light and bright.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah. Man, don't I don't know. I do think. I
always say I don't know, and then I'll tell you
what I know.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I do think that the conversation on whether the government
wasted their time going so hard reaching so high in
the beginning will always be a thing, and I think
it definitely looks insane. But I don't think that a
judge is looking at any of that when making his
decision about the two counts that Diddy is facing right now.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And I think that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Diddy's team, you know, they talked about a bunch of
different things. They talked about, you know, his his First
Amendment rights. They talked about you know, consensual versus non consensual.
They went into all that, But them still leaning the
strongest on Basically, this was an overreach, this was targeting,
and this is embarrassing. The judge ain't face baby. The
judge doesn't care about any of that whatsoever. The judge
(16:53):
is looking at right now. What are we dealing with?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What are we like The.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Things that you could have said were the overreach, which
was the rico with things of that nature. He's not
Those charges are not here anymore. So let's focus on
what we're focusing on.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We here.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I don't think an a quittal will happen, but we'll
have to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm lorn l Rosa. This is the latest with Lona Rosa.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
At the end of the day, y'all could be anywhere
with anybody talking about this, but you choose to.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Be right here.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I appreciate you guys so much, and I will see
you in my next episode.
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