June 24, 2025 • 20 mins
Loren has a live, unfiltered chat with Golden Brooks (Maya on Girlfriends) and friends celebrating an art gallery and 25th anniversary party that you should check out!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that, right,
Lauren can't.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, y'all, it's Laura L. Rosa and this is the
Latest with Lauren L.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Rosa.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,
and the conversations that shake the room. Now, when we
talk about conversations that shake the room, we know that
y'all love when we bring the live conversations, the sit
downs here on the podcast. So I got something really
really special for all of my lowriders today if you've
(00:35):
ever seen the show Girlfriends. And I kind of feel
like a little like a dub when I say that,
because who hasn't seen the show Girlfriends? But if you
have or have not seen the show Girlfriends, we are
going to talk a lot about it today in this
episode because we have a icon joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ms Golden Brooks, who played Maya on.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The show, will be joining us to talk about in
our exhibition that has taking place in la June twenty
ninth in June twenty eighth at the Line Hotel in
La So. On June twenty ninth and June twenty eighth
or June twenty eighth and June twenty nineth.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm like, why am I saying it backwards.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like that you'll be able to come out and check
out some art pieces that were all created by black
women artists and photographers. Because Girlfriends, the show is turning
twenty five or has turned twenty five this year. So
we and when I say we, we talked to Golden
Brooks me Delaney George, who was the co founder of
DCDG and Co.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
She put the whole exhibition together.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
She figures out, like, you know, what is the focus
of the exhibition, who will be focusing on what? And
then you know, she puts all the pieces to the
puzzle together. So she brought me in with an amazing
dope artist named Brittany Bird.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Brittany is creating.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Some of the pieces in the show as well as
helping to you know, bring other artists into the show
as well. And in conversation with Golden Brooks, we got
to talk a lot about what the show meant to
us and pour into Golden Brooks maya from Girlfriends just
on her and what that looks like for us at
our ages and you know, we started watching Girlfriends so
(02:06):
long ago. She you know, Golden Brooks is in this
conversation just receiving all of the flowers, but for a
lot of the conversations, she's kind of in awe still
of the impact of Girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But mar Brock, I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Kill Golden, Tracy Ellis, Ross Lynn at everybody who has
played on this series, Jill, Marie Jones. I think that
they all and somewhat and in some way understand how
important they are. But I think it's different when you
get to hear it firsthand from women creatives who've been
inspired by the work.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So that's what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So take a listen to this exclusive sit down with
Golden Brooks maya of Girlfriends as we celebrate twenty five
years of the show. All right, all right, morning morning,
y'all are glowed up for lining and on a Sunday,
all of y'all are giving and all are glowing. I'm
(03:01):
really excited to be here. I've been in preparation for
this conversation. I've been watching a lot of Girlfriends and
conversations that I went back through some of the art
that we selected or that was a part of the
major selection, and we narrowed it down to for the
exhibition that is happening in LA and I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think it's just so dope.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
How you know, a show that we watch and now
have been able to rewatch with our mothers or grandmothers
and nieces, our aunties and you know, all these people
that are in our lives is now like we're now
talking about it in a way of art and exhibition.
I think that it's amazing to see art be able
to be communicated in so many different ways. So I'm
excited for this conversation. You know, I know you guys
(03:45):
are without introduction, but if you want to just say
hello really quick to the audience and lets them know
what part you guys are playing in this, you know,
twenty five year anniversary art exhibition that we're putting on
in LA that will be open to the public in
a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that that would be a great way to
kick it off.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, okay, oh, Golden, you go ahead, Golden.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh you go first.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Okay, Okay, Well, Nati, Hi everybody on the live.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'm Delaney George.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I'm the co founder of Creative Fine Arts Agency DCDG. Also,
this is our first iteration of our new brain child,
Iconic Visions, which basically partners legends like Golden works here
and other people of multiple industries, whether it's music, sports, entertainment,
and put them in the role of the curator. So
(04:30):
kind of like you said, Lauren, taking something that we
all know in love within our culture and then bring
it into find our in the galleries and putting a
contemporary towist on something that we all know and love.
So I'm super excited to be talking about this with
you all, but also to be bringing this to life
with so many incredible black women artists. That's what it's
really about, That's what's connecting us. So I'm excited to
(04:52):
get into it.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Hi, everybody in the live I'm so excited to be
a part of this project. My name is Brandan Bird,
and I am a multi high far artists and creative
and I am exhibiting a piece in the show and
I'm just like heartful.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh gosh, Hi you guys. I'm Golden Brooks.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Aka my Denise Wilks. I just I I was asked to,
you know, sort of come along this journey and help
curate and just pick some amazing art pieces from some
of these you know, these artists, and.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
To work with the d C d G, it's just
it feels like such an honor.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
I feel I feel very honored, and I'm I still
get really emotional when we were talking about any girlfriends
and just knowing.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That the show is still is still moving and and
and being.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Celebrated and empowering communities, and it's being used to to
as the muse for for this particular art exhibition.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's mind blowing all of us.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Tracy, Jill Persia and I we're just blown away at
the amount of just love and support and still the
train is moving, and I think it just shows that
we need more of this, We need more representation and
just girlfriends to be able to be in the art space,
which I love. I'm a huge art lover. I feel
(06:25):
very honored, So thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
This is a show that we all know and love
and all girls, but now to be taking it from
the screen and putting it on canvas or gallery wall,
I think that's something that everybody can relate to. So
even if you're a person that's not traditionally trained harder,
you're not into it all the time. I think this
show is going to bring something for everyone to be
involved in.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
It really is a collection about what sisterhood looks like.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yes, and the pieces are.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Beautiful, and I mean I think that girlfriend and what
it represents to me is the whole culture of what
it is to be and not just a brown woman,
but but female womanhood, from our hair to our skin
to how we connect physically metaphysically. I mean some of
(07:16):
the art pieces were so metaphorical and and you know what,
I feel like, art is kind of like a really
good dish. Like some people, you may not know what
you're eating. You may not know all ingredients and sometimes
intimidating when you go to, you know, a certain restaurant,
you're like, oh, what is it? But once you eat it,
it's texture, it's feeling. You just you just know when
(07:37):
you know, and and you don't always have to have
the right terminology. But when you look at something and
it moved you and it evokes an emotion, that's when
you know that that piece is for you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You know it's all feeling true.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, and Golden, this is kind of like another full
circle woman for you, because you guys are The African
American Museum.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
In DC we we were, We absolutely were our art.
It's just it's you know, I think because Girlfriends was
so iconic, I feel so.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Old when I say that, I'm like iconic.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
But I think because it was one of the first
shows that actually celebrated or you know, maur bucka kill,
you know, hats off to her showing black women doing
yoga and eating sushi and.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Wearing fly clothes designer.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think that was the first time I ever heard about,
you know, the well, not really the Burken Bag, because
Sex and the City did it, but you had women
of women of color wearing designer.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know. We talked about it, and.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I just think that on so many levels it showcased
us in a way that we hadn't seen ourselves and
all of our flaws, you know. And I think that
that's something that I think women of color it was.
It opened up a whole new conversation piece on the
black woman and what that looks like, you know, and
(09:04):
I think museums. I think it should be celebrated, and
I think Girlfriends really was sort of the catalyst for
a lot of other amazing shows that have that have
come after it. So I feel very proud to be
to be part of that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, Golden kind of talked a little bit about what
the show meant to her, but for everyone else here,
I would love to know the first time you watched
this is like an Icebregger, first time you watched Girlfriends? What,
like what did it represent like right away to you?
And like, I feel like there's a version of us
who watched.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It now as we're older, But try.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And think back to like the very first time you
watched the series.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm like, I think I want to say it might
have been like around like maybe two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Three or four.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
My mom used to religiously watch Girlfriends like get a
and then tune in and like we would literally sit
in front of tea together. So in a way, Girlfriends
represents like a motherly bond for me because that's.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Something that my mom did together.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Like that was we ate our dinner watch Girlfriends, and
my mom would literally cold Maya's like, oh hell no
all the time, she's probably watching this get in here,
clean this rip.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
So I mean that was definitely a bonding moment for
me and my mom, Like so early early two thousands
for sure. And then it's like when I when I
saw just the imagery of these black women. I me
being that age, I didn't really get to Laura digest
like all of like the drama and the serious. Yeah,
but they were just so beautiful and like fabulous in
(10:44):
the fashion in a stop. Like every single episode, everybody
was on point Tony with all of her designer and
her product. Like I was crazy because, like I mean,
growing up in New Orleans, like I, we just did
not see that type of caliber of black women. And
I think you said, like that golden like that didn't
just expose, you know, that exposed to everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
To like the fact that this is what we can be.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
These black women do exist, and that was like my
first occurrences with it. It was inspiring to see that,
but also it was a bonding moment for me and
my mom.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I love that so amazing.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think I started watching it and maybe like two
thousand or two thousand and one, I was definitely like
in elementary school, but it was just like always on
in my house, and it was like, wait a minute,
they're owning homes and miracle miles.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right in the cities. They were, like y'all were.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Because when I was thirty, I was like, wait, because
in Girlfriends they were like twenty nine, thirty thirty one, right.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Right, yeah, and like growing up it's like, oh wait,
twenty eight with real jobs, law firms.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, that was cool for me to see.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Because it definitely gave me like inspiration, like you can
be out landishly loud, you can be yourself, you can
be exceptionally beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So yeah, it was a lot of for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Same, I agree with both of you guys sentiments. For me,
I think the first time I watched it younger, it
was just like it reminded me of like my group
of friends and like my family, like theirs, Like you
always have the aunt who has a great job and
you can tell her lifestyle. You go to her house
and it's like, oh my god, and then you got
your homework like it. There were so many different people
(12:30):
in one show, but they all were together, and I
don't think I've ever seen that, cause I think other
than that, a show that sits out to me is
like a Mosha. But it was different because she was younger,
she was figuring things out. She was you know, like
there was a certain unapologeticness in Girlfriends for each character
in different ways, And I was young, like, wait, hold
on because she just wait because yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So figuring all those things out as I was.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Learning and growing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Now I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They rewatch it different. The rewatch it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I was like, wait, this is actually unhinged activities.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So do you guys feel like now you guys are
still so young, and I mean, and I know you
watched it with your mom's when you look at it now,
even for me when I look at it now, you know,
twenty five years later, and I sometimes I see so
many memes now online like.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Who was the most toxic friend?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Or you know, but looking at it now, now that
you guys are older, more mature, does it resonate in
a way that do you feel something different? Do you
feel like you're more connected to one or the other
now that you're in a space of living your full,
flushed out lives.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hell, yeah, oh my god, I'll be watching that. I'll
rewatched it a few years ago with my mom and
then I've just rewatched it on my own, just and
moving to New York and wanting to you know, you
have that girlfriend's like I want to take over the city,
to take over the world wide, and I feel like
it depends on what I'm going through in the week
I'm having. I might identify with a different character for
(14:07):
a different reason, and I might need like I might
need to be Then and just be like free spirited
things are going to work out. I might need to
be Maya and be like I'm on, fuck this, this
is not happening. I might need to be Joan. I
might need to be Deal and be like hold on
cause from me, I deserve that, like you know what
I'm saying, Like, it just depends on what I'm going through.
(14:27):
But Mark brock Iki, I think what it's so genius
about the show is that I've never I could really
watch it a thousand times and find a different reason
why I need it to watch it like the art,
the story doesn't get old. You watch it like I
need to see it again, girl.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That right.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Definitely timeless for sure, because like a lot of I
primarily work in fashion and art, but like a lot
of the fashion girls, they're like, oh it's touch sex
in the City, no shade, great show, but I resonate
more with like the characters of Girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh Man, thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It's differing for me too, because it's like I think
watching it as an adult, like the ages twenty eight
through like thirty one, thirty two. It's like it makes
you like they're still going through so many things that
you would like imagine people not go through. And it's like, wow,
these are grown women around my age that's going.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Through the same thing.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
It's just like it's okay to still be figuring out.
Like Girlfriends just showed such a spectrum of different types
of Black women, Like they were all different in their way,
but it's like their situations happen to all of us,
Like we're not you know, opposed to going.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Through an that.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
So I feel like it's really for me to be
like you can be a career woman, can be like
on your stuff, but you're still going to have like
reality happen.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I feel like Girlfriends is kind of like that's.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
A hug that you need to be like, girl, like
you're okay, like you're figuring out and that's okay too.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's you. Guys are so on it. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
It's it really is crazy how it still holds up,
you know, and we're all still so very close and uh,
I mean the fashion we always talk about, you know,
what I would take this from Joe, you know, oh
you know, Lynn, let me let me get that little
black sashet or for real estate dresses and my little
sassy jeans. And I loved it. I love that we're
(16:22):
having this conversation. And I think we're all I mean,
as black women. I really think we're all those women, right,
I think we're all that, And I think we we
have to code switch. That's what we do as as
women of color, women in the arts, women in if
you know, if you're in the professional space, we you know,
(16:42):
we're a little bit of Maya when we're with our friends,
you know, the sister girl where and sometimes we have
to put on that hat when like Joan in the boardroom,
and and sometimes we're the perennial student where we're constantly
wanting to learn, like like Lynn, and I think we
wear so many hats as women of color that we
have to. And so I'm so proud of all three
(17:03):
of you for, you know, being in the space that
you are. And I think people underestimate how art really
can inspire you, whether it's TV or an actual art
piece or.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Because we're removed by by what.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Is us and and something that's familiar and something that
gives us, you know, legiency to.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
To be that and to explore that and to express that.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
So I just think conversations like this are really important,
especially for you know, you guys and and even younger generations,
so that they know it's okay, it's okay to to
to be you, you know, and I know that that
we're living in a space right now where we're kind
of told who we need to be. And social that's
another thing we always talk about. Girlfriends was around at
(17:54):
a time, but there was no social media. You know,
there was no Instagram, there was no I mean, I
think Facebook was just starting, but it.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Was a space maybe yeah, yeah, it was my space.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Right, but like you only found out about girlfriends by
word of mouth, like if you was you know.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
A.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, definitely was like a talking point and like it
was that every point of black women lineage. I can
definitely say, from like grandparents to like my parents.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Right, I mean it was sort of like you had
to go to your local Sunday dinner or to church
or to a friend's house to talk about that episode.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh did you say when Joon did this?
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Because you know that's also how you know that it
was the power of us, because you know, it was
really like we'd have to get fan mail to hear
what people were thinking.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It was like wow.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
So they would sit there and open up envelopes, you know,
and it's it's very interesting. We're in a different time.
So the fact that we're still having this conversation, it
just it really takes me a little bit emotional.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So all right, y'all, So that has been the sit
down with Golden Brooks. Now make sure again if you
have not heard it enough throughout this conversation, you will
(19:25):
hear right now that you come out. If you were
in la on June twenty eighth and June twenty ninth
to visit the exhibition, it will be open to the public.
You can go out, take a look at all the
art pieces, and you know, Golden will be there. It's
going to be a great time. It's going to be
a day full of creativity and conversation through the lens
of black women creators, which, of course, again, girlfriends, you know,
(19:48):
it was tea for that is that's what they gave.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Even though they weren't all artists. You know, they were.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Painting this campus of what real life looks like for
us as black women. It's twenty five years later, we
still celebrate it. So at the end of the today,
like I always tell you guys, y'all could be anywhere
with anybody having these conversations, but you choose to be
right here with me. I appreciate you guys so much, Lowriders,
and I will see you guys in my next episode.
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that, right,
Lauren can't.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, y'all, it's Laura L. Rosa and this is the
Latest with Lauren L.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Rosa.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,
and the conversations that shake the room. Now, when we
talk about conversations that shake the room, we know that
y'all love when we bring the live conversations, the sit
downs here on the podcast. So I got something really
really special for all of my lowriders today if you've
(00:35):
ever seen the show Girlfriends. And I kind of feel
like a little like a dub when I say that,
because who hasn't seen the show Girlfriends? But if you
have or have not seen the show Girlfriends, we are
going to talk a lot about it today in this
episode because we have a icon joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ms Golden Brooks, who played Maya on.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The show, will be joining us to talk about in
our exhibition that has taking place in la June twenty
ninth in June twenty eighth at the Line Hotel in
La So. On June twenty ninth and June twenty eighth
or June twenty eighth and June twenty nineth.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm like, why am I saying it backwards.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like that you'll be able to come out and check
out some art pieces that were all created by black
women artists and photographers. Because Girlfriends, the show is turning
twenty five or has turned twenty five this year. So
we and when I say we, we talked to Golden
Brooks me Delaney George, who was the co founder of
DCDG and Co.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
She put the whole exhibition together.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
She figures out, like, you know, what is the focus
of the exhibition, who will be focusing on what? And
then you know, she puts all the pieces to the
puzzle together. So she brought me in with an amazing
dope artist named Brittany Bird.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Brittany is creating.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Some of the pieces in the show as well as
helping to you know, bring other artists into the show
as well. And in conversation with Golden Brooks, we got
to talk a lot about what the show meant to
us and pour into Golden Brooks maya from Girlfriends just
on her and what that looks like for us at
our ages and you know, we started watching Girlfriends so
(02:06):
long ago. She you know, Golden Brooks is in this
conversation just receiving all of the flowers, but for a
lot of the conversations, she's kind of in awe still
of the impact of Girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But mar Brock, I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Kill Golden, Tracy Ellis, Ross Lynn at everybody who has
played on this series, Jill, Marie Jones. I think that
they all and somewhat and in some way understand how
important they are. But I think it's different when you
get to hear it firsthand from women creatives who've been
inspired by the work.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So that's what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So take a listen to this exclusive sit down with
Golden Brooks maya of Girlfriends as we celebrate twenty five
years of the show. All right, all right, morning morning,
y'all are glowed up for lining and on a Sunday,
all of y'all are giving and all are glowing. I'm
(03:01):
really excited to be here. I've been in preparation for
this conversation. I've been watching a lot of Girlfriends and
conversations that I went back through some of the art
that we selected or that was a part of the
major selection, and we narrowed it down to for the
exhibition that is happening in LA and I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think it's just so dope.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
How you know, a show that we watch and now
have been able to rewatch with our mothers or grandmothers
and nieces, our aunties and you know, all these people
that are in our lives is now like we're now
talking about it in a way of art and exhibition.
I think that it's amazing to see art be able
to be communicated in so many different ways. So I'm
excited for this conversation. You know, I know you guys
(03:45):
are without introduction, but if you want to just say
hello really quick to the audience and lets them know
what part you guys are playing in this, you know,
twenty five year anniversary art exhibition that we're putting on
in LA that will be open to the public in
a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I think that that would be a great way to
kick it off.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, okay, oh, Golden, you go ahead, Golden.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Oh you go first.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Okay, Okay, Well, Nati, Hi everybody on the live.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I'm Delaney George.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I'm the co founder of Creative Fine Arts Agency DCDG. Also,
this is our first iteration of our new brain child,
Iconic Visions, which basically partners legends like Golden works here
and other people of multiple industries, whether it's music, sports, entertainment,
and put them in the role of the curator. So
(04:30):
kind of like you said, Lauren, taking something that we
all know in love within our culture and then bring
it into find our in the galleries and putting a
contemporary towist on something that we all know and love.
So I'm super excited to be talking about this with
you all, but also to be bringing this to life
with so many incredible black women artists. That's what it's
really about, That's what's connecting us. So I'm excited to
(04:52):
get into it.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Hi, everybody in the live I'm so excited to be
a part of this project. My name is Brandan Bird,
and I am a multi high far artists and creative
and I am exhibiting a piece in the show and
I'm just like heartful.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh gosh, Hi you guys. I'm Golden Brooks.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
Aka my Denise Wilks. I just I I was asked to,
you know, sort of come along this journey and help
curate and just pick some amazing art pieces from some
of these you know, these artists, and.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
To work with the d C d G, it's just
it feels like such an honor.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
I feel I feel very honored, and I'm I still
get really emotional when we were talking about any girlfriends
and just knowing.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
That the show is still is still moving and and
and being.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Celebrated and empowering communities, and it's being used to to
as the muse for for this particular art exhibition.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's mind blowing all of us.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Tracy, Jill Persia and I we're just blown away at
the amount of just love and support and still the
train is moving, and I think it just shows that
we need more of this, We need more representation and
just girlfriends to be able to be in the art space,
which I love. I'm a huge art lover. I feel
(06:25):
very honored, So thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
This is a show that we all know and love
and all girls, but now to be taking it from
the screen and putting it on canvas or gallery wall,
I think that's something that everybody can relate to. So
even if you're a person that's not traditionally trained harder,
you're not into it all the time. I think this
show is going to bring something for everyone to be
involved in.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
It really is a collection about what sisterhood looks like.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yes, and the pieces are.
Speaker 7 (06:56):
Beautiful, and I mean I think that girlfriend and what
it represents to me is the whole culture of what
it is to be and not just a brown woman,
but but female womanhood, from our hair to our skin
to how we connect physically metaphysically. I mean some of
(07:16):
the art pieces were so metaphorical and and you know what,
I feel like, art is kind of like a really
good dish. Like some people, you may not know what
you're eating. You may not know all ingredients and sometimes
intimidating when you go to, you know, a certain restaurant,
you're like, oh, what is it? But once you eat it,
it's texture, it's feeling. You just you just know when
(07:37):
you know, and and you don't always have to have
the right terminology. But when you look at something and
it moved you and it evokes an emotion, that's when
you know that that piece is for you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You know it's all feeling true.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, and Golden, this is kind of like another full
circle woman for you, because you guys are The African
American Museum.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
In DC we we were, We absolutely were our art.
It's just it's you know, I think because Girlfriends was
so iconic, I feel so.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Old when I say that, I'm like iconic.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
But I think because it was one of the first
shows that actually celebrated or you know, maur bucka kill,
you know, hats off to her showing black women doing
yoga and eating sushi and.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Wearing fly clothes designer.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think that was the first time I ever heard about,
you know, the well, not really the Burken Bag, because
Sex and the City did it, but you had women
of women of color wearing designer.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know. We talked about it, and.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
I just think that on so many levels it showcased
us in a way that we hadn't seen ourselves and
all of our flaws, you know. And I think that
that's something that I think women of color it was.
It opened up a whole new conversation piece on the
black woman and what that looks like, you know, and
(09:04):
I think museums. I think it should be celebrated, and
I think Girlfriends really was sort of the catalyst for
a lot of other amazing shows that have that have
come after it. So I feel very proud to be
to be part of that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, Golden kind of talked a little bit about what
the show meant to her, but for everyone else here,
I would love to know the first time you watched
this is like an Icebregger, first time you watched Girlfriends? What,
like what did it represent like right away to you?
And like, I feel like there's a version of us
who watched.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It now as we're older, But try.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And think back to like the very first time you
watched the series.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm like, I think I want to say it might
have been like around like maybe two thousand and.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Three or four.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
My mom used to religiously watch Girlfriends like get a
and then tune in and like we would literally sit
in front of tea together. So in a way, Girlfriends
represents like a motherly bond for me because that's.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Something that my mom did together.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Like that was we ate our dinner watch Girlfriends, and
my mom would literally cold Maya's like, oh hell no
all the time, she's probably watching this get in here,
clean this rip.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
So I mean that was definitely a bonding moment for
me and my mom, Like so early early two thousands
for sure. And then it's like when I when I
saw just the imagery of these black women. I me
being that age, I didn't really get to Laura digest
like all of like the drama and the serious. Yeah,
but they were just so beautiful and like fabulous in
(10:44):
the fashion in a stop. Like every single episode, everybody
was on point Tony with all of her designer and
her product. Like I was crazy because, like I mean,
growing up in New Orleans, like I, we just did
not see that type of caliber of black women. And
I think you said, like that golden like that didn't
just expose, you know, that exposed to everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
To like the fact that this is what we can be.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
These black women do exist, and that was like my
first occurrences with it. It was inspiring to see that,
but also it was a bonding moment for me and
my mom.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I love that so amazing.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think I started watching it and maybe like two
thousand or two thousand and one, I was definitely like
in elementary school, but it was just like always on
in my house, and it was like, wait a minute,
they're owning homes and miracle miles.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right in the cities. They were, like y'all were.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Because when I was thirty, I was like, wait, because
in Girlfriends they were like twenty nine, thirty thirty one, right.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Right, yeah, and like growing up it's like, oh wait,
twenty eight with real jobs, law firms.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, that was cool for me to see.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Because it definitely gave me like inspiration, like you can
be out landishly loud, you can be yourself, you can
be exceptionally beautiful.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So yeah, it was a lot of for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Same, I agree with both of you guys sentiments. For me,
I think the first time I watched it younger, it
was just like it reminded me of like my group
of friends and like my family, like theirs, Like you
always have the aunt who has a great job and
you can tell her lifestyle. You go to her house
and it's like, oh my god, and then you got
your homework like it. There were so many different people
(12:30):
in one show, but they all were together, and I
don't think I've ever seen that, cause I think other
than that, a show that sits out to me is
like a Mosha. But it was different because she was younger,
she was figuring things out. She was you know, like
there was a certain unapologeticness in Girlfriends for each character
in different ways, And I was young, like, wait, hold
on because she just wait because yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So figuring all those things out as I was.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Learning and growing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Now I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
They rewatch it different. The rewatch it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
I was like, wait, this is actually unhinged activities.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
So do you guys feel like now you guys are
still so young, and I mean, and I know you
watched it with your mom's when you look at it now,
even for me when I look at it now, you know,
twenty five years later, and I sometimes I see so
many memes now online like.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Who was the most toxic friend?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Or you know, but looking at it now, now that
you guys are older, more mature, does it resonate in
a way that do you feel something different? Do you
feel like you're more connected to one or the other
now that you're in a space of living your full,
flushed out lives.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Hell, yeah, oh my god, I'll be watching that. I'll
rewatched it a few years ago with my mom and
then I've just rewatched it on my own, just and
moving to New York and wanting to you know, you
have that girlfriend's like I want to take over the city,
to take over the world wide, and I feel like
it depends on what I'm going through in the week
I'm having. I might identify with a different character for
(14:07):
a different reason, and I might need like I might
need to be Then and just be like free spirited
things are going to work out. I might need to
be Maya and be like I'm on, fuck this, this
is not happening. I might need to be Joan. I
might need to be Deal and be like hold on
cause from me, I deserve that, like you know what
I'm saying, Like, it just depends on what I'm going through.
(14:27):
But Mark brock Iki, I think what it's so genius
about the show is that I've never I could really
watch it a thousand times and find a different reason
why I need it to watch it like the art,
the story doesn't get old. You watch it like I
need to see it again, girl.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
That right.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Definitely timeless for sure, because like a lot of I
primarily work in fashion and art, but like a lot
of the fashion girls, they're like, oh it's touch sex
in the City, no shade, great show, but I resonate
more with like the characters of Girlfriends.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh Man, thank you.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
It's differing for me too, because it's like I think
watching it as an adult, like the ages twenty eight
through like thirty one, thirty two. It's like it makes
you like they're still going through so many things that
you would like imagine people not go through. And it's like, wow,
these are grown women around my age that's going.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Through the same thing.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
It's just like it's okay to still be figuring out.
Like Girlfriends just showed such a spectrum of different types
of Black women, Like they were all different in their way,
but it's like their situations happen to all of us,
Like we're not you know, opposed to going.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Through an that.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
So I feel like it's really for me to be
like you can be a career woman, can be like
on your stuff, but you're still going to have like
reality happen.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
So I feel like Girlfriends is kind of like that's.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
A hug that you need to be like, girl, like
you're okay, like you're figuring out and that's okay too.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's you. Guys are so on it. I
love it.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I love it.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
It's it really is crazy how it still holds up,
you know, and we're all still so very close and uh,
I mean the fashion we always talk about, you know,
what I would take this from Joe, you know, oh
you know, Lynn, let me let me get that little
black sashet or for real estate dresses and my little
sassy jeans. And I loved it. I love that we're
(16:22):
having this conversation. And I think we're all I mean,
as black women. I really think we're all those women, right,
I think we're all that, And I think we we
have to code switch. That's what we do as as
women of color, women in the arts, women in if
you know, if you're in the professional space, we you know,
(16:42):
we're a little bit of Maya when we're with our friends,
you know, the sister girl where and sometimes we have
to put on that hat when like Joan in the boardroom,
and and sometimes we're the perennial student where we're constantly
wanting to learn, like like Lynn, and I think we
wear so many hats as women of color that we
have to. And so I'm so proud of all three
(17:03):
of you for, you know, being in the space that
you are. And I think people underestimate how art really
can inspire you, whether it's TV or an actual art
piece or.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Because we're removed by by what.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Is us and and something that's familiar and something that
gives us, you know, legiency to.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
To be that and to explore that and to express that.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
So I just think conversations like this are really important,
especially for you know, you guys and and even younger generations,
so that they know it's okay, it's okay to to
to be you, you know, and I know that that
we're living in a space right now where we're kind
of told who we need to be. And social that's
another thing we always talk about. Girlfriends was around at
(17:54):
a time, but there was no social media. You know,
there was no Instagram, there was no I mean, I
think Facebook was just starting, but it.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Was a space maybe yeah, yeah, it was my space.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
Right, but like you only found out about girlfriends by
word of mouth, like if you was you know.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
A.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, definitely was like a talking point and like it
was that every point of black women lineage. I can
definitely say, from like grandparents to like my parents.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Right, I mean it was sort of like you had
to go to your local Sunday dinner or to church
or to a friend's house to talk about that episode.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh did you say when Joon did this?
Speaker 7 (18:38):
Because you know that's also how you know that it
was the power of us, because you know, it was
really like we'd have to get fan mail to hear
what people were thinking.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It was like wow.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
So they would sit there and open up envelopes, you know,
and it's it's very interesting. We're in a different time.
So the fact that we're still having this conversation, it
just it really takes me a little bit emotional.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So all right, y'all, So that has been the sit
down with Golden Brooks. Now make sure again if you
have not heard it enough throughout this conversation, you will
(19:25):
hear right now that you come out. If you were
in la on June twenty eighth and June twenty ninth
to visit the exhibition, it will be open to the public.
You can go out, take a look at all the
art pieces, and you know, Golden will be there. It's
going to be a great time. It's going to be
a day full of creativity and conversation through the lens
of black women creators, which, of course, again, girlfriends, you know,
(19:48):
it was tea for that is that's what they gave.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Even though they weren't all artists. You know, they were.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Painting this campus of what real life looks like for
us as black women. It's twenty five years later, we
still celebrate it. So at the end of the today,
like I always tell you guys, y'all could be anywhere
with anybody having these conversations, but you choose to be
right here with me. I appreciate you guys so much, Lowriders,
and I will see you guys in my next episode.
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