FULL SHOW: DL Hughley, Mo McRae, Jason Wilson and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Usa yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
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yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo Sean.
Imagine the guy piece to the plane. It is Friday, Yes,
it's Friday, good morning. The weekend is here, o man,
beautiful Friday. Man. You know all week long we've had

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guests toes. You know, we've had Nini Leach Monday and Tuesdays, right,
Ebony K. Williams Wednesday and Thursday. And today it's just us,
just us, It's just us. We got a bunch of
guest rood Man's in the morning. No, no, that's not
drove Man's in the morning. If you want sausage with
your breakfast, we got the sausage for you here right now,
because we got other sausages joining us. This smart he
sausage in pork yo, he's stupid. I am pork Noo.

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I got do hugely. He'll be joining us this small
more sausage. Let's go DLO. Listen, somebody's listening right now,
Like I told you, they're on the DL. No, man,
d L Hugly is gonna be here, that's right. Also,
Jason Wilson will be joining us. Man Ason Wilson man.
First of all, let's be clear, I love Deal hugely,

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and I love Jason Wilson THO the two black men
that I truly loved, value and appreciate. Jason william is
the author of two books, Battle Cry and Cry Like
a Man. Um. He's got a great film on ESPN
right now, executive produced by Lawrence Fitshburn called The Cave
of Almadullah. I feel like I'm pronouncing it wrong. I
probably am, but the Cave of Almadullah Almadullah sound. But
he'll he'll he'll get the pronunciation right when he comes here.

(01:24):
And you weren't here a lot of time, Jason, I
was here last time. Now, his clips of that interview
that we did with him before go super viral all
the time Kevin Games and Kevin Gave was talking about Yep,
you read the book Cry like a Man? Remember, Yeah, Man,
So John, I've seen his clips. When I've seen him,
I guests he uh, I guess at his class he
was teaching the kid about breaking the board and the
kid couldn't break the balls, and he has gotten him
through it. And I remember that going viral. So yeah,

(01:46):
he'll be here with us this morning. Man, So a
lot of sausage this morning, baby, it's a saulted part. Yes.
And also a director, Mole McRae, will be joining us.
He actually directed the episode when I was in East
New York, so he's a director. So we'll be talking
to him as guy. More more sausage, more sausage, more sausage.
You get a sausage, You'll get a sausage. You'll get

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a sausage. Oh my goodness. All right. And also we
got to shout out to Nila Simon. Nila, she's gonna
be joining us. She's a fish. I don't know. I
don't know what. I don't know what. Not identify ass,
So don't say me right, you know what? Let me
mighty fish. We don't know, maybe not knowledge, I don't know. Right.
She called us up the pretty little boy that she Yeah,

(02:29):
the pretty little boy, a pretty tome boy. Oh yeah,
the pretty tom We're gonna start a segment called past
the Orcs where we're gonna be passing her the auxiliary
cord that she's gonna be telling U, s putting us
on the new music that's coming out. It could be
artists that's out already or some new artists. She's gonna
be putting us onto some of the new music that's had.
No she's coming her young fresh DJ. You know you've
probably seen her on my late night talk show Hell

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of a Week. You know you you hear on probably
one or five one in New York. You know she
got playlist out there. I can call the mixtape no more.
They played plays that she'll be up here telling us
what's on her playlist. Morning. All right, well, let's get
the show cracking. Get it off your chest. Eight hundred
five eight five one oh five one. Call us up
right now. You need to get it off your chest.
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. This is your time

(03:12):
to get it off your chest. Eight hundred five eighty
five one oh five one. We want to hear from
you on the Breakfast Club. Hello. Who's this? Hello? What's
your nawal yo? Yo? Does your boy cap from months Ville, Alabama?
Cap for months Bill without brother? What's up? Man? Y'all
feeling this morning? Good man? I had a good time.
I had a good great time when I was out

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there for my car ship. What up though? Yeah? Man?
I know Manley you know, take the rocket down down hill.
But anyway, I just called it. You know, what's y'all?
A good thing? Man? I hope down last week? That's
Charlemagne sent me I had in a book night I'm
gonna sending. I'm gonna sending you a black effect hat
right now. I'm gonna put you on hold, Eddie, get
get his a email. Hold on the right. Bunch of
them appreciate that. Now, All right? Hello, who's this? Hope

(03:56):
Bella Me, Hope Bellamy, what's up? Hope belling me? Get
you off your chests? Brother, what's up? I'm calling from
a Koe, Florida. Um. If you're familiar with kale Um,
the Korey Masker where they killed you know, all these
black people back in the day for voting. What a
good thing about is that? Is that? Um, I'm expelling.
I got my rights restorative vote, and I also turned

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around and now I'm running for office here in the
Koe right. I'm running for Korey Um. And it's like
hard to get our people out to vote. The Democrats
out numbers or because in the city, but we're not
getting out in voting. I am cross board against you know,
I'm with everybody every side. I'm people in general, but

(04:41):
just getting the numbers out to vote. Here it's being like,
you know, a huge deficit, even getting funny and like
I'm like grass roots and everything and I'm doing good.
I'm definitely best candidate for it because I had both
sides of the table. My dead twelve years in prison.
Um now I'm gon this side, little fifteen years of
community work from local level to natural level. So my hitting,

(05:05):
my background, it messes with the population of Coe. Now
we're not the Coe of the old. We're puting forward,
but it's hard getting our people to understand how important
it is to get out and vote for me. Um
the month forward. Okay, well, how can people find out
more what you're You're running on your Instagram, social media, website,
whatever your campaign. But my website is right. My website

(05:28):
is Hope, h Ope. My last name is Vellamy d
E L l A n Y. If the word four
f o r the letter D one at dot com,
so it's Hope Vellamy four d one. Okay, brother, good luck.
The whole stand for the whole stand for helping other

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people elevate. That's my drug, my high, my addiction. I
like that, all right, brother, campaign slogan. Hello, who's this yo?
What what's up happening? Get it off your chest? Brother?
My first time getting and I'm still talking about the book.
They said you're a book man, y'all. Just put them

(06:13):
on hold. Maybe listen to old well listen in our defense.
We were moving last year, that's right. So it was
a lot going on, you know what I mean. So
I'm gonna get that to your animal. I'm gonna get
your black effect hat to brother. Hold on, get it
off your chest. Eight hundred five eight five one oh
five one. If you need to vent, hit us up now.
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. This

(06:39):
is your time to get it off your chest. Eight
hundred five eight five one oh five one. We want
to hear from you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this?
This is man Jasmine. All right, get it off your chests, Hi, Jasmine.
I'm sorry. I was trying to get out of the
vand with my kids. I drive kids, okay, but I
was just trying to get my chance that. I feel

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like the world should make it a little bit easier
for people with fellings. Needs to get jobs. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
are you trying to get a job. It's difficult for
you or family member or not for me, but but
for our partner, it's just hard. He did some things
back in the day, long long time ago, and he's
still paying for it, and it's just like, yeah, it's

(07:22):
not okay. What kind of job you trying to get?
And tell him don't lie on his application neither. That
don't help. What kind of job you trying to get out?
He doesn't. He doesn't lie, and at this point any time,
you know, just a job that's gonna pay and help
him be able to provide for the family. What state
are you in, Jasmine, Columbus, Ohio, Ohio? Yeah, that's one
of those ones. You got a lobby your state legislator
dear to remove the check the box. That's that's something

(07:45):
a lot of state they're doing to try to help
eradicate that it shit shows bad because he's so driven
and he wants to do it, and then they just
shooting him down, shooting them down. They'll give him a
position and then take it away. I know. Another option,
Jasmine is go around the system and maybe think about entrepreneurship,
think about starting your own think about putting yourself in
a position where you don't need somebody to sign off

(08:05):
and validate you for hiring. What did you get arrested for?
If you don't mind me asking, Um, it was a
robbery situation when he was like eighteen, like thirteen years ago.
He did all his time. Everything is done. He's a
whole new person. But it's like they don't want to
give him a chance in the world today. I think

(08:26):
I love whatever he said. I didn't even know that
they were doing that. I don't know. People start remove
check removing the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean
some state oppositions, like if he's trying to work at
certain things, don't they have to go through your background history?
Well yeah, I was gonna say, it looks like if
you wanted to work for a bank, you know what
I mean, it was robbery. I'm sure they would have
to go in the background. I'm sure if you want
to work for a bank, you got to even have
seven hundred credit score, they'd be tripping, you know, absolutely, Yeah,

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because you'll become a fiduciary, you know, so they want
to make sure that you're in good financial standing. So
that's hard. But yeah, certain states are removing that box
for that reason. So and what's the process of actually
wiping uh you record you're talking about? So that's an
expungement and can you exponge felony? I'm in the process
of doing that. Now I start Mike mill getting the exponge.
I'm like, yo, yeah, dom Carolina, what's happening? I have

(09:11):
an outstanding citizen. What's going on? I'm not but it's
not easy. No, it's not. It's not easy. It's possible,
it's not easy. And then when you do it, does
that mean it's totally expunged, like they can't see it regardless,
or can they steal nuckles? There's levels, so like, for instance,
I have an expungement. Remember I told you about my
deferred prosecution situation, so not picked up them Stewart Whitesman
when I'm seventeen year in college, So that was expunge

(09:33):
and he was boosting y'alls a thug y'all. But when
it came time for me to take the bar exam,
there was visibility. Yeah, of course, it didn't stop me
from being a lawyer. There's lawyers, but DUI is all
kinds of stuff. But they're gonna permeate that quote expungement. Yeah,
all right, get it off your chest. Eight hundred five

(09:54):
A five, one h five one, don't move. It's a
breakfast lug. The Morning, the Breakfast Club, the Breakfast Club.
Your morning's will never be the same morning. Everybody is
dj n V Charlemagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Indeed,
we got a special guest in the building, the brother
Mote mccraig, Morning Morning, Morning Club, y'all my brother. Now

(10:17):
you don't know who mo is, You probably know the face.
He was in NYPD Blue Boston Public, The District, Cold Case,
The Guardian, The Shield of Division, See Aside Er Detroit,
The Defenders, uh Sons of Anarchy, Battle Creek, Murder in
The First Empire, Pitch Tales, Rebel, The Flight Attended. He's
an actor with a long resume, playing a lot of

(10:41):
cop shows too, a lot of cops shows. I knew
you was gonna say something about that, was that, do
you want to be a cop grown up? Or no?
You know, Honestly, in the beginning of the cop shows,
when I started acting, I was pretty much on the
opportunity for young black actors on a cop show getting
interrogated as you do it or not. So it kind
of started off doing a lot of those and then
later end up getting the player a cop and be
a lawyer and all those things. But it's what opportunities

(11:03):
were in the beginning. You know what's so funny. I
saw when they were announcing the NAACP Image Awards. I
saw the head of the NAACP. He was on with
meffy Man. You don't see me at this one with
Gail King, and he said something that people got a
little upset about, but I understood he was saying. He
was like, meffy Man got nominated for playing an attorney,
not a criminal. So do you feel like they cash
black people in those roles, especially black men, on purpose

(11:24):
and the criminal roles. Yeah, I think that's why you
didn't hear me with the tough questions fresh out of
the gate. I mean, honestly, I think a lot of
it was on purpose because it was telling stories that
are taking place in certain environments, and those are the
people that didn't have with those environments. And I also
feel like it was important like when Methodist playing those
type of roles, or we're just seeing us depicted and
other lights and other things I remember my grandmother. It

(11:46):
got to a point while I was doing all that stuff,
those type of roles, he said, baby, you're smart, You're
so intelligent, you're funny, y'all these things. Let's see some
of that too. Wow. And when she said that to me,
it really made me pump the brakes on it, and
it was something I stopped. Chadwick had picked up on
really early. He's spoken a lot about that where he
had to have a little bit more integrity in his

(12:06):
work and being understanding of what these depictions and what
this repretation representation actually is. So with those bills, you
got bills and those it seemed like those are far
and few. Yeah, the bills. It's a real thing. And
now I think that's a struggle of every artist. It's like,
how do you maintain that dream but still maintain a

(12:26):
roof over your head? And I think that's something all
the grades had to navigate and figure out, whether it's music,
is playing ball, whatever it is you got that big
picture dream or what do you do in an intim
to keep yourself afloat? And so something I end up
doing a lot of people didn't know. It's like I
started working with somebody doing landscaping and just figuring out
other things you cut grass and acted. I did whatever

(12:48):
I had to do, and I also started to home
my craft because that was the biggest issue. When they
were saying, Oh, you can't play a lawyer. I'm like, well,
why can't I It's like your addiction. So I did
speech and diction training. I did all those things to
eliminate the no. So I want to show like the
flight Attendant with Kaylee Quoko, I'm a CIA agent on

(13:09):
that show. That's because I put that time into the
craft to be able to convincingly convey those other careers
and archetypes. Now, when did you know you wanted to
be an actor? Like? When was that? Man, I'm from California.
You can hit all in your voice. You hit the
CALLI Cally. You know. It's funny. Every time I thought about,
like when I wanted to become an actor, I feel

(13:30):
like it just keeps going further further further back in
my life. But the first time I really made that
decision and I got on stage in high school just
doing a play, had a drama teacher and just taking
the class, I want to be an actors ended up
in a class and he was like, you got something special.
You should get on stage. At the time, I like everybody,
I want to play ball, haven't want to do all
these other things. He's like, I give you an a a

(13:51):
in the class if you do one little play. And
I got on stage and that was it. It was
something about that connection with the audience and look at
people in an eye and being an express rest of
in that manner. I was like, that's what I want
to do for the rest of my life. And I
was sixteen years old when I found it. I just
had no idea how hard it was gonna be. I
thought it was gonna work, but it was crazy difficult.
Now do you see those programs a lot because you're

(14:11):
from South Central? Yeah? South Central? Do you see those
programs a lot in the hood in those areas? Because
I'm just I just remember growing up in Queens. I
don't remember seeing those type of arts. And I don't
know if Charlemagne you see them in South Carolina. Of course,
we had the basketball and baseball and football. I don't
really see in that many had plays when I was
in elementary school, you know, stuff like rock soup, you

(14:33):
know what I like? Plays? Yeah, it's plays, but I
think those like specific programs. That's a good question if
when you think about like outside of the school, like
I didn't find any exposure to other arts when I
was coming up, Like my mom did a good job
of making sure my brother and I I says, so we
would go to the museum sometimes when it turns like programs,

(14:54):
and I think that we're really going to add intrinsic
value to us outside of like the norm that didn't
exist when I was coming out. That's all. I'm so
happy I've been looking into like what Lebron is doing
with his school. This is a really powerful thing because
he's trying to give these at risk and these challenged
youth opportunities to be exposed to more dynamic things that

(15:14):
can really lead to fundamental growth. Because I didn't have
that really when I was growing up. And you said
your grandmother encouraged you to, you know, do better roles, right,
and you're writing and directing a lot of nothing. Yes,
so that's one of the ones when you were writing this,
did you have Grandma in mind? I had everybody in mind, man,
when I wrote this Feast. It's a lot of nothing,

(15:35):
this film. It's a super autobiographical In a lot of ways,
I just poured from my life, like and researching and
thinking about all the greats and art. No matter what
the discipline is, the greatest thing you could do is
pour from what you know. So it's inspired by me,
my first love, my close friends, my brother, and all
the things that are happening in the world, like all
these injustices and these travesties. And so it was like, Okay,

(15:58):
how can I make a story with the things that
I know and that we all experiencing that could still
be funny and dangerous and thrilling. And that's what the
movie is. I was thinking about everybody when I wrote
the film. What made you get behind the camera? For
For people that don't know, I was in East New
York and you asked, let's go. People know you, they
might not recognize me. We got an olden jobs in

(16:18):
the true that's not true, that's not it. But you
actually directed that episode. And for people that don't know,
it wasn't like at first. You know, they called and said,
if I want this, I would have to try out
for the part. And I had to. I had to
do it in front of you and the executives. Yes,
So what made you first want to get behind the camera?
And then I want you to tell people about how

(16:39):
good you were my audition. Yeah. Well, first of all,
shout out to my man Harry, Oh, Harold, who connected
us man like, which is an important thing in this
whole process to its relationships and cultivating good relationships out
of reciprocity value of looking out for people that look
out for you. But I wanted to get behind the
camera because I'm an artist. You know, I'm not just

(17:01):
an actor. I do photography, right, I want to learn
to draw one day. I tell stories. And so I
realized I just focused on my acting. I was kind
of putting myself in a box. Because not anybody else
is putting me in the box. I was putting myself
in the box. I was limiting the scope of what
I could do and how I could tell stories. So
and I was fascinated with it all. So I started
studying shadowing all the great directors I was able to

(17:23):
work with, going to YouTube University, spending tons of my
own money as an actor that I was making to
buy cameras and to make short films. Because I wanted
to tell stories. I wanted to give people the thing
that like Spike Lee, John Singleton, the Cohen Brothers, Steven Spielberg,
the thing that those directors gave to me, those experiences
I wanted to give to other people. So I made

(17:45):
my first film. So I'm making all those shorts and
doing East New York right now. How did you get
East New York? Because I mean, and did anybody know
East New York was gonna be so big? Because I mean,
it's a show that people genuinely love, Man the show.
Don't think you ever really know how big something is
gonna be. I end up getting East New York because

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oddly enough, this is how investing in yourself pays off
a lot of nothing. This feature film that I have
coming out, it started as a short film, and I
spent like forty g's on a short film at a
time when I didn't really have the bread. But I
was like, people like, why are you spending so much money?
Because I need to show my vision because everybody always
sent a want to do stuff like mo, stick to
what you do, and I'm like, I want to direct.

(18:26):
They like, stick to what you do? So I showed
them the vision. They were like, oh, this is special.
So the executive producer East New York, Mike Robbin, he
saw my short film like five years ago or something
like that. He saw that short film and so he
had me direct the television show for him a couple
of years ago, and I'm crushed it show called All Rise.

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And then when East New York came around, as soon
as it got green lit, he was like, mo, I
need you to come and do this show. And so
from him seeing my short film and then what I
did on this other show is what led him to
calling me and giving me the opportunity to not only direct,
but produce East New York. All right, we have more
with Mote mcray when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club.

(19:08):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club wanting everybody is DJ Envy
Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We're still
kicking with Mo McRae's director of CBS's East New York.
He did I think a bunch an episode one of them.
I'm actually in and he's in a hostess series now.

(19:29):
When they called for East New York, they said that
at first you were looking for somebody else to play
the role DJ Authentic. Yes, and uh and then I
guess you decided to give me a shot. So what
was that process? I never I never knew. They just
told me to tell you why I wanted to give
you a shot. But the Dominican forty five, you know,
you know what it was like a big thing about
me and art is authenticity, right, And so you have

(19:52):
the show that's set in New York and it's tapping
into the culture, like the zeitgeist of people that I
want to see what's happening in New York right now
we're talking to my guy Harry. Oh, was just like,
who are those people that represent that could be a snitch,

(20:12):
So you know, who could bring that who could bring
that energy? Who's that person that people are gonna see
and be like that's dope. But also it has to
be somebody's gonna take it serious with you. While we
had to do the read and I'm gonna give you
some I'm gonna give talk about some real stuff right here,
where a lot of people get opportunities to do things,
but they bring too much ego to the party, their pretense,
they come with all that, so they're not willing to

(20:32):
respect this. So it's people you big in this world
over here. You get an invitation to come over here
and do something else, and you show up like, now
I'm not gonna do this realm me? And what was
amazing about Envy you bros? You came in with so
much humility and reverence or what's happening in the film
and TV world, and was like, okay, whatever, the process
is a respected and you did the work, you had

(20:54):
your lines memorized, you got a point of view, you
got a perspective, and as soon as I saw that,
I'm like, oh, you're my guy. Next year, next year
he got an those job now, you know. But but
that was the most difficult part was the humility, right,
because I've been doing this for a long time. I've
been djaming for a long time, snitch for a long time.

(21:16):
So when somebody tell when you do something, somebody tells
you that's not right, it makes you feel away because really,
absolutely I wouldn't feel that way. Made me feel because
I know I'm not an actor, so I would want
that game. That's what I want me, That's what I
overdid it. I'm like, guide me, tell me which way
I should do it. How do you feel about this?

(21:37):
How do you feel about that. That's why you know
with the episode, I'm like, you know, I was asking
and I'm reading your lines why you're saying your lines?
So I knew when to come in my lines and
I'm asking, I say it like this, Am I supposed
to be smooth? And am I supposed to be scared?
You know what I mean? So you want to go
through it? And then I had to do it at
the audition in front of him, at the audition in
front of the executives, and it's like, you don't know
how it is. So I always appreciate that's part of

(21:57):
scratching yourself, right, Like you're talking about that ladder that
Denzel was talking about, Like some people get to a
certain you know, level on the ladder and they think
there's nowhere else to go, and it's like you ain't
looking up exactly. They get they get fat on that position,
so they can't go up. And when you get that
much weight on you high, what happens? Gravity kicks in
and you're gonna come down. I think you gotta constantly

(22:18):
be challenging yourself because oftentimes I was talking to somebody
about this recent like people talk about the culture. The
culture just do this for the culture. And I find
myself right now, I'm wondering, are we really challenging the culture?
Are we stretching the culture? Are we are we like
even something like the whole snitching thing, right, like, why
is snitching so bad? Why are we still treating snitching

(22:39):
like it's a bad thing. That's something the question I would.
I don't because I'm not in the street. I could
care less. Who's an informant or nothing, you know what
I mean. But I also look at it as there
is crime prevention. I think the colde is if you're
in the street and you're doing dirt, and you know
you're doing dirt with somebody and y'all did it together,
and then you snitched to save yourself for that person

(23:00):
goes down. I can understand that if you live that life,
But for people who are just want to keep the
community safe, that's a problem with that. Ye call the
police if you know, I would, Yeah, exactly do what
you need to do. And then also challenge the systems
that create such like lack and desperation where people have
gotten being crimes to eat, Like, let's look at that.

(23:22):
Don't talk too about stop snitching. Let's stop the systems
that create all this lack and it to me, real
nice to me is the person who told on that turner, Yes,
a realstness to me is the person the others, the
other enslaved person who told on Denwalk Bessie enslavery bole
he was trying to put together, like that's us, snitch,
those are the ones that we should un my death
because you set us back on the person I was

(23:43):
trying to lift us up. That's right, Why why would
you do that? That's right? But I also say I
don't have a problem being a snitch, Like if you
need me to come back and snitch on some more people,
I mean, and we know that's why you got the role.
So what's next for you? Because you're doing more episodes
of East New York and of course you got a
lot of nothing, So explain how many more episodes y'all

(24:04):
start shooting yet? Or I just finished directing episode fourteen
so that I'm doing that right now on the show.
And I'm just talking about the film because I think
this movie a lot of nothing. It's like, it's not
like anything that's ever really been made, and what w
It's a satirical thriller, and this is a combination because

(24:24):
it's equal parts funny and serious. It's it's it's scary
and it's but it's dynamic, it's interesting. It's one of
those films you can't see it without talking about it
afterwards because the subject matter is real heavy. You got
a married couple who's watching the news one night and
sees un armed motors is killed by a police officer.
And at the end of that news segment they reveal

(24:47):
the identity at the officer and it's their next door neighbor.
So then they posed with that question because I always
thought about it, like we get also upset with something
to go wrong, first thing we do is go to
social media. What happens if the problem is right next door?
What would you do then? And then how do you
handle that problem on top of all the problems you
already got to get on relationship, right, And that's what
the film is. It's like all those things coming together

(25:09):
in a real crazy way. And you got nominated for
ACP Image Award. I did get Outstanding Breakthrough Creative because
that's direct things. That's different. Yeah, I mean I get
emotional just thinking about the journey, right, because this whole
thing about breakthrough that specific word, that category, because my
whole philosophy on life has been involved not being in

(25:31):
a box. Because I realized nobody could put me in
a box. I put myself in a box. And as
soon as I adopted adopted that mentality and started living
outside of that, these kind of things start to happen.
So it's just been affirmation. So it's humbling, you know
what I mean. It's an honor to be acknowledged for
breakthrough creative emotion picture. It's something that was so challenging
to do, Like making the movie is hard, especially if

(25:53):
you care about the details. And so to get that acknowledgement,
I'm thankful for the cast and everybody involved to make
that happen just been beautiful. I like what you said
just now because I think about that, right, Like I
think sometimes we listen to the world instead of listening
to the God, and so a lot of times we
do things because we that's what everybody is telling us
we should do. But what is God telling you to do?

(26:15):
You know me, everybody's gonna be like I understanding your box,
staying your lane, no, don't do anything up. But God
is like, no, go direct and that thing like, and
God speaks to me a lot through my wife. You
got a black wife? Yeah, just to make sure to
be He said, what do you say after that? Thanks
for seeing you, thank you. That's that's a whole crazy thing. Well,

(26:39):
but yeah, my wife is black. She's beautiful, she's a
movie star. She's in my movie. Like Scott David shout
out to my wife. Yeah, yeah, I have to do that.
Just pay love. We got a little range. I'm sad
like that. Yeah, you don't worry. I got it. I

(27:02):
got it, really have it. Well, we appreciate you for
joining us. And where can they check out? A lot
of nothing? Are we in theaters? So we in New York, LA,
all the big cities. We're gonna be everywhere showing up.
But yes, and theater is gonna be on demand as well.
So if you don't want to go see it in
the theater, which I advise you to do because it's
a movie you want to see on a big screen.
Just a filmmaking. It's incredible. Terms like everybody that came together,

(27:23):
like I got geniuses that came and donated and gave
love to help make this movie. So theaters on demand
and East New York is on CBS nine thirty and
all that. Lets Sunday night, let us know, how about
get a theater for a lot of nothing. Let us
know what We'll get a theater screening? Ye yo, definitely
sure that means a lot. Maybe Sunday night, Sunday nights

(27:46):
opening weekend. At let's do it. I appreciate that done.
Let's do it all right, Well, let's moment gray Molok,
she did it. I'm acting before I get out of here.
Let me let y'all know what y'all are doing is
so important and meaningful man, and as a lot of
laughs and jokes, but what y'all create and what you

(28:08):
guys provide here is so important because so many people
would not be acknowledged and recognized if not for y'all
doing what you do in the way that you do it.
So it's an honor for me to be here. And
it's all up. I appreciate, thank you, thank you. Well
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(28:51):
the breakfast club, shout everybody out in Dallas. I actually
got ahead the Dallas later on today they said the
weather's disgusting in Dallas. I think they got like three
four inches of snow. They shut the city down. Let
me tell you something about three to four inches of
the doll of snow and the d Listen, listen, let
me tell you something. When three or four inches of
snow hit the d shut down. You know what I mean.

(29:12):
But it's like that in the South because the South
isn't equipped yews the soul. There's nothing that's really bad.
I know the reverse of that up here hurricanes. Because
Hurricane Sandy it was like a little punk to us
in a little punk ass tropical storm correct shut the
city down of New York. So snow to the South
is what hurricanes are up No, I got you three
the four inches, man, It may not seem like much

(29:33):
to you, to anybody to you or let's let know
you up norths y'all used to get more inches, right,
at least seven, at least seven. I'm talking about envy.
That's why you are who you are. I tell them
how to make it in this business. D. L. Hugle
will be joining us next. Man, We're gonna don't move.

(29:54):
I hate this guy. Man, man, it's the Breakfast Cloud.
Good morning, the Breakfast Club pointing. Everybody is dj n
V Charlemagne the guy. We all the Breakfast Club. We
got a special guest in the building. DL hugely welcome.
What's up? I like they'll furniture. Tell what somebody getting?

(30:18):
Oh man, they get made the company, all the good
stuff come out. Well y'all, lad y'all, we have to
call y'all a brunch club. I was wondering about that
before you walked out to L time. Somebody. Man, I'm
not used to be in that discipline, having a reads
that practice and practice, So you have to get the
South African to do that before I'm gonna. Are you

(30:41):
writing your own stuff? YEA A lot of it, A
lot of it. I mean like this the stuff some
of the stuff that I you know, because I wanted
to do today show because there was so much happening
from a communal standpoint, from a cultural standpoint, and I
never felt like anybody who would actually seen some of
the things that were happening was kind of guide us
through the experience. And then of course the man that
I do the show that we have. Yeah, of course,

(31:04):
so tough week to start with that. It was, man,
it was, but it's so familiar. Yeah, it's so like
I've been I'll be fifty nine next month and I've
been watching Black People to dices. I was too in
the same way, and it's always the craziest thing. And
this is the first time I've ever seen somebody from
the Oval Office go to the funeral of somebody slain
by the police. I don't respect it. I'm gonna tell

(31:26):
you why I don't respect it. There's no way I
could be anybody from the White House, whether you vice
brosid to come Hires or our President Biden and sit
up in the people's face and no, I'm not doing
everything I can to make things like the George Floyd
policing yea pass, Like what do you tell the family
when the family says, what are y'all going to do?
You just said it? They make killing up forever, like
what are you doing? What that means? In America? It
is a thing. America doesn't think there's anything wrong. It

(31:49):
just don't. They don't think there's anything wrong. Every time
something happened, the first thing people to do is rush
to tell me how not all policemen are like that.
That's the first thing. Invariably somebody gonna have that conversation. Oh,
not all policemen are like that. Ain't talking about You
were talking about the ones who is like this? But
no one ever says all black men aren't like that. Yeah,
that's true. So they have no problem paying us when
one prob rush. But they always want they get to

(32:10):
be individviduals. We have to be a group. So how
do you handle it? On the Daily Show? Right? You're
hosting a week it's it's so so much to talk about,
but do you be a lighthearted a little bit? Ain't
serious about like what are you doing that? I think
that human only works when it stays to it. I
don't think that that. I did find that I run
to the arrested him so fast, and I wonder why
that was what the white cop you got arrested. If

(32:31):
people aren't complaining about it, well, I probably you know,
But you know, all of this stuff is just happened
stance that I don't know. I can't prove a negative.
I can't prove that this would have happened opposite. I
know that all of them were black. I know that
they acted in a way that was that was not
consistent with the way I've seen them act. Ultimately, it
ain't gonna matter until these things happen and we see

(32:52):
a lot of policemen walking out in handcuffs when they
do stuff like that. But let me ask you a a question.
You know, we always talk about we want people in
the community that look like us, right, we want people
on the four that look like us. We want people
as lawyers and judges that look like us. These brothers
look like us, right. They had they were Omega sci
fi right from the community, like us. So like, well,
I'm an Omegan. I'm gonna tell you this, those three

(33:13):
men were Omegas. But the men who are trying to
the man who's trying to get family justice then make
it too. So it's it's really reflective Clarence Thomas looked
like us. But I think that the predicate is you can,
we can have disagreements. But one of the things that
I find I take homage with is that you can
have a political difference, disagreement of philosophical But on the
other side, the predicate is they hate us. They gotta say.

(33:34):
They can't just disagreement. You gotta tell you how you're
wrong and how you're bad. Like Jason Willock some of
the stuff he says that self hate. How do you
how do you shape your mouth to say something was
a black woman like? They always find the way to
make us more insidious. And I think we can have disagreements,
but why why is the predicate hate? Then you got
to despise us in order for them to accept you.

(33:56):
You know, That's why people say it's not about racing
this situation, it's about the system. No, it's about race. Yeah,
because this country does not value black bodies right, regardless, regardless,
and they've done such a good job of not valuing
black bodies that some of us don't value ourselves. That's
why those five cops can do that to a brother
like that, they would not do that to a white

(34:16):
man was until we see it. I've never seen it.
I've never seen it. The thing about it that you
can you can we have so little respect. I'm not
in that group. I respect black people live, and I
hope that you know everybody in this room does. But
there are people when you Those men weren't purple and
gold for a mega. They weren't black for they before

(34:36):
they were anything. They were black. They were blue that day,
and they did what their cameras on and they didn't
try to get that man aid through. Those men were
three hundred pounds. And if that's the elite, who was not?
If that's the elite and they were young men, how
did you get to be on the force that that's
little time and get that kind of signment unless your
assignments to be brutals to black people. I don't feel
like they did it before because it's you know, it's

(34:58):
like even if I'm a beat, so I've I'm gonna
leave my camera on, yeah you know what I mean?
Like I just don't care or I never got in
trouble for it before. Why would you this with the
Scorpion Union. This is what we're supposed to do. We
reckon shop you can't even blame it in your right
yar man. It is about the system that has created
this thing. Like and every time I turn around, somebody's
telling us so hard the police got it, Like Barack

(35:18):
Obama went to the funeral of five Slang police officers.
It is politically dangerous to go to a funeral of
a dead black. I watched Kamala Harris, I was. I
watched it was. I think it was a George Floyd thing.
I watched her go to a gay propery and a
float went by, but she wouldn't go to Like I'm serious.
It was a dude with a rainbow throne on a

(35:39):
float going by, but going to a black funeral was
too Like that's yeah, that's right. So I think that
there is a way that we are seeing, even in death,
we look politically dangerous to people like, how is it dangerous?
If this is wrong? And we all say it's wrong, right,
then we all say, but I'm gonna send you flowers,
I'll put you in the boot, and I'm giving a
State of the Union address, but I'm not gonna come
to the funeral and cry with you. All these things.

(36:00):
Is divine province of all these things, So I'm hoping
that this is indicative of what is to come. The
one thing that hurts my feelings is every time I
turn around when a young black man or young black
woman's killed, the mothers and parents and families rushed to
humanize them. They got to show them skateboarding. They gotta
and they always have known though he's not like you think,

(36:21):
he's not like the other ones. There's always this tattoos
on the face that they always have to rush to humanize.
But they have to because I feel like the police
department does pressed it the other way. You know, it
all got arrested when he was fined for doing this,
Like that's that's what they do. Have you ever noticed, No,
this is just just statistically true for profession police officers

(36:42):
have a higher rate of drug abuse, domestic violence, alcohol abuse.
But I get tested when I do something wrong? Way
who shot? I know his drug? Like that's because we
don't want to know things. They get after there's an
instance many times, because you know they get thirty, they
get two weeks to three to four weeks off before
they have to answer questions. If I got if my

(37:03):
wife busting me with another brother, you gave me four
weeks to come up with something that I'd be all
right along a minute, so they set it up so
these things can continue to happen. When I see Tim
Scott is in when we can't even say that it's
wrong and choking, get it death, what's the conversation about,
like the chokeo. We can't even ban the chokeo. Of course,
if you're fighting for your life, that all bets is up.

(37:27):
But as a matter of policy, we should We can't
say the choking people that put in your arm and
cutting off the air supply is is something we shouldn't do.
I agree with you man that listen man, I think
one of the most interesting things that has ever happened
in this country is the fact that psychologically they have
convinced people that black folks are the problem. Black folks

(37:47):
are dangerous out of all the hayned stuff you don't
see white people do throughout the world. Historically they scared us. Yeah,
how and when it comes to the police, y'all got
the gun, y'all got the batons, y'all got the pepper spray,
y'all got everything. Why are y'all the free? But you're
supposed to teach my children. I'm supposed to be my
children how to treat you as appos and you're in
the pro But we live in a country right now

(38:09):
where you pretty much unanimously they voted for Juneteenth, but
they want they're against teaching slavery right, which is crazy
because Juneteenth. I don't want my children learn about slavery school,
which is stupid because school is out the first week
of June. Juneteenth is the nineth of June. If your
children learn about Slavery Day in summer school, and they
ain't gonna make it, no damn way if you if

(38:30):
you've got to go to school the summer, you are
dumb ass, dude woman. And Juneteenth is a federal holiday.
It means more white people up on Juneteenth. Thus I
think on juneteent white people have to work that day
for free all day. Where my kids I'm selling them
because that's a slavery day. We got more with DL hugely.

(38:50):
When we come back. It's the breakfast Club of Good
morning everybody in cej n V. Charlemagne the guy we
all the breakfast club. We got a special guest in
the building. Yes, indeed, the brother Dale hugely welcome. What's up.
I ran into you at the White House? Uh yeah,
what are your thoughts on Joe Biden and the job
he's doing? Right? Listen, listen. I've never seen any anybody,

(39:12):
And I had this conversation with Charlotte man with a
with a limited number of seats in the House and
the senator at that time past such legislations. I've never
seen it happened. And you could talk about whether you
like him or don't like him, but Barack Obama had
a supermajority and couldn't get a lot of this stuff done.
So I think page to do it. That's what I'm saying.

(39:33):
I defy you at a time in history, and even
people on the rtle say this that somebody took that
menial amount of numbers and had such significant legislations. It's
never happened. So I think those years and years and
years of being a senator taught him that. But I
think the thing that people have to understand is that
we're in a fight to convince people that we are
human human. How is it that you don't want me

(39:55):
to learn like enslave people at one point couldn't learn
it was a legal for them. To learn. Now in
many places it's illegal to learn about enslave people. The
only reason you don't want history chat is because you
plan on repeating it. This is, this is, and so
this is our fight for us to exist. And I
think that people who are in the middle, you know,

(40:16):
politics is tools. A gun is a tool that depends
on who's hands it in what they're using it for.
And so I just think it's a very serious thing.
And I think that for me comedically, is it like
when I when I told you when white people were mad,
the little mermaid was like black, I'm like all them
slaves you threw over where? It's got to be somebody black.
When do you think that crab get his hair braided that?

(40:37):
I'm sure it's a Nigerian lady with a boothdown there
right black caster oil. Often wonder, you know, when it
comes to all of that stuff, do they do they
care about us learning about our history or do they
care more about their kids learning about what? You know?
Maybe maybe I think I think I can't tell, But
like when I see the things that happened, That's why

(40:58):
I'm so glad that cowboys. I am because I am,
not because I always hated him anyway, but I did.
I did. But when we are going back in history
and men Cosby went to Jai and I think he
did it, and I'm not gonna even equivocate, but we
went back fifty sixty years in his history. But Jerry Jones,
we can't go back fifty sixty years in his history.

(41:19):
He's held liable for the things he did back then,
and so we have to have a consistent way of
doing things. If you know Ray Ray Rice, he physically
assaulted his wife, but Dana Dana White beat his wife
and he get a commercial called I mean, he get
a show called Slap Power Slap, So maybe that wasn't
even an asshoe. But maybe that was just a promo.
I don't know, But you can't tell me that we

(41:40):
we looked through these things in the face and nobody
says anything. And I just wonder why we can see
things are obviously different for you, depending on them, where
you come from, what your experiences are, and we pretend
like we don't know who those things exist. And that's
why for me, I'll be feeling like it's a slippery slope,
right because it's like, damn, y'all go back and do
that to Jerry Jones. You know who's gonna get the
brand of that? Yeah? Us. Yeah, they start doing that,

(42:01):
they start going all the way back. They already do,
They already do when they can't. So when you get killed,
you killed. A couple of times when a black person
gets killed, they kill his memory, they kill everything he did, right,
they kill his family. They have to kill him. A coward,
they said, coward dies a thousand death. A black man
dies two thousand because everything about him that was decent, good,

(42:23):
or righteous they have to destroy. And we're complicity. And
when we say things like black on black crime, crime
is about proximity, the dangerous thing when it's a stranger,
Why is it that we keep the notion alive that
it is us that are particularly more insidious than anybody else.
When they say, well, you know, we like crabs in
the bucket. Crabs don't belong in the bucket. That's the problem.

(42:43):
You put them in an environment anything would do that.
The crime is not about color, or it's about poverty.
Show me a safe poor place. But everybody always acts
like we're particularly insidious. And when I hear people say it,
it's so galling to me. They give credence to these
these noses the board. The term black on black crime

(43:04):
comes from a Chicago Defender article and what nineteen seventy
where black Dude was talking about and they coined it,
and then all of a sudden we used it on ourselves.
I hate that one, and I hate we are on
worse enemy nobody, No, not. You might be number two,
but white supremacy number one. Absolutely, And everything is a
result of that. Everything is a result of that. It's
just it's not even hard for me. So for me
the Daily Show, I'm gonna talk to and I'm gonna

(43:26):
make some people nerving. Would you want to do that permanently? Though?
Only if I could do it my way? Okay, say
this way. I want to say what I believe. You
give up the road and everything. I would never give
up the road, you know, because that's the only place
I can't get fired from. Yeah, you ain't gonna mat
and I got to be home with my family all
the time. Oh No, does that make you nervous at all?

(43:48):
With the road now, with everybody being so sensitive and
with everybody's camera out. No, I think it's changing, man,
I think it's really going back. I think people are
over it. I think people are older. I know, yeah,
I think it's I think it's I think it's going
back the well. You know, here's the thing. You can't
really cancel anybody anyway. How many times it Tucker Carson
been canceled, or Sean hadn't even cancer, or Kanye been canceled,

(44:08):
you can't really cancel nobody people that we the people
that gonna for them. All you gotta do is make
a dope. Shoot how I don't know. People don't share
the house. To me, I'm not with you no more ever.
To me, it's a really simple thing. If you say
the thing that enabled them to hurt my people, I
will never put you again, ever on any level. And

(44:30):
I never y'all never spoke after y'a would that night,
the night when all this happen. We can't talk after
that because it evolved into a shouting match. Listen. I
think much like we're holding the policeman who did these
things responsible, even though they were black, we have to
hold people that harm us because they're black, holding minor spot.
Don't tell me it's a mental illness, because if it was,
Delonte West would be saying the same to Kanye West,

(44:52):
dude and that lived under the bridge. You know what
I'm saying, when you're all crazy, you gotta be to
make a car dash if the white dude, you know
what that is? He literally up the stereotype. Once you
go black, you never go back unless I mean unless
you go away. You could say the most harmful ever
that Hitler. All of you you humanize Hitler and you

(45:14):
forget you at black children and you're dating a woman
from the Coccus Mountains. But it isn't what he says
is what they he literally emboldens and now they're using
the words he's say to hurt people to look like me?
Are you will bother me to most about that situation?
You know whether regardless how you feel about Jewish people,
if you black man? What about the stuff he said

(45:35):
about rules of park, this stuff he said about Malcolm
Max What what like? Come on, bro, like what what
is what he said about George? And here's the thing
that that makes me man, when when those types say
things about George Floyd. If you're in the medium you're
making in terms of advertisement dollars before George Floyd, look
at it after you were getting No matter what the

(45:55):
platform you're on. I don't care because even if they
were gonna make up marking by they did hated more
of it to the African American market, all because of
the whole George Floyd thing. So people that shall over
him and eat off the corpses they bury or even
more in cities because they know it's no denying that
that black body was green. You got rich because of that.

(46:17):
If you give him money out the platforms, you gotta
make sure an x amount of his conservative platform to
if they're black. So stop telling me he made people
make way more money than they were making. Pretend gen
you get advertised you never got before. I know exactly
exactly they needed black alliances, so they needed to hide
more so from that black black body being slain like that.

(46:41):
You have you had a financial windfall and you were
stall over him. Thank you forever whatever. I mean that
from the bottom of my heart. It's a real thing
for me. All I well, don't move. We got more
with DL Hughley when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club.
Good morning morning. Everybody's DJ NV Charlemagne the guy we are.
The Breakfast Club was to kid with DL Hugh Glee Charlemagne.

(47:02):
What's harder doing the daily show that remember remember the
CNN show. People forget that you had a CNN show back.
You know, I don't nothing. Nothing is hard for me
if you don't with me, and they have a great
Here's the thing about the staff over there, there a machine.
They know what they're doing. Yeah, you're just inserting yourself
into something else. And they could do that for anybody.
There a machine. To me, it only matters to me.
The only thing that matters to me is when events

(47:23):
like this because I don't want to have fun. I
want to do jokes. I do, But when the events
like this happened, I want you want to do? Yeah
I do. I want to. I want to have fun
and hang out. I do. But great job. But they
need to be somebody not my hes spirits aren't necessarily
And I'm feel entitled to speak about these because I've
seen it, I've been through it, and I just want
whatever whoever they get. You gotta be able to be ambidextrous.

(47:45):
I can bat right or left, we can be lighter,
would be heavy. But when things like this happened. You know,
there's sixty eight percent of Americans have their political views
shaped by satire, which is coming absolutely. Why would yeah?
Why would I not? When when I'm almost like this,
it's these moments aren't just bang glorious. Comedy is a reflection.
We're showing people things when it's done right, when it's done.

(48:09):
And I just want whoever doesn't And all these guys
are very talented, but they speak about things from twenty
thousand feet up. I want somebody who's who's been in
the trenches and seeing what happened. Do you ever get tired?
Because you know, if you follow DL, you post everything
that's going on in the community, and a lot of it.
Sometimes it's depressing, and I'm like, damn, do you ever
get tired? Do you have to take a mental break? Sometimes? No,

(48:29):
because you know it's funny. My wife don't like to
talk to me. My kids be like, guy, call people
five o'clock. I guess what, Guess what happened when you
and I and I and I commend you for even
talking about having to take a mental break. But for me,
it is irresponsible to know a thing, to believe a thing,
and to not say a thing. That's what I'm saying,

(48:52):
So to me, it's irresponsible, But I do feel like
all the DMS you get, did you know this story?
It's like I telling being Crump, I like this is
like that kid on sixth cents. I see dead people
all time, Like nobody ever tells me good. And you
feel like you gotta speak for people or like even
somebody like being Crump, Like being Crump gets a lot
of flat. But I'm like, well who else is doing
the work? Yeah? You know what I'm saying, ain't been

(49:13):
It ain't been fault that he's the black Lloyd to
go to for everybody. Why don't people stop? You know,
it's funny mccari Sellers has stepped up a lot too,
And I like and I think, I think, I think.
What's funny to me is like I should be proud
in theory that two black men were running for the
sinning in Georgia, but when it's such a disparity, Like
I have a simple rule. If I can beat you

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in the spelling, be you can't have my vote. Like
to be a spokeperson, you gotta know how to spoke.
Like every time they dude say anything, I thought about
the fat out but just this is just say hate
for you. But guy, not only do I think Herschel
Walkers should never have been even close to being a senator.
I don't think they should lead get home with the
pilot like them. I ain't a lot of somebody dropping
the battle. Herschel need to be somebody political pundit. Yeah,

(49:55):
I need to see Herschel on TV right, we're talking
during the even Why FO not put him on yet?
Because because here's the thing. They would never hire him
for their company or let him date that out but
he was okay, never he would never be the spokesperson
for their company or or a member of their family.

(50:16):
But I don't even blame Herchel because from the moment
he showed any level of aptitude, he was taken away
from black people. He was giving deferential treat He was
this dude could beat the white woman. You see that
he could actually beat white woman. And he didn't even
date in the white This dude could be white women
and nobody and everybody know it and still will for him.
Whatever he did transcended race. If I had that experience,
of course I went to I think that it did exist. Well,

(50:37):
I would say it transcends race untill he does it.
You know, Herchel went from the sticks to white women.
I'm telling him, who ain't never um. They didn't even
get mad at everything you said about it. Literally, if
we're Donald Trump is everything they hate about black people,
but they love him everything. Like he lies, he don't

(50:58):
pay his bills, he got kicked out of the the public
houses and got evicted when leaves and stole from work
his last day, but they love him. You know what
do I do say? That's one thing I feel like
we should learn from Republicans, Like they don't focus on individualism, no,
because they know that collectively, if Trump president, he gonna
do that. If hershe was the sence he gonna do.

(51:20):
We focused too much on individualism, Like I think we
should start focusing on the collective or make the country
see the world the way we do. I cannot stand
to that that I'm living in a world where I
have a granddaughter and children and I am I am
watching and I can't stand that I can't seem to
make the world better for the people I love. That's
that's that's what's frustrating to me, And that that you

(51:42):
are nobody by by evolving by being who you are,
but a part that I played in it. Like when
I saw what they did to Megan the Stallion, Like,
there's three things black people should just oj did it?
Kanye haste and Tory shot make it? Yeah, those shouldn't
be controverse. Well, yeah, because it's not just think it's
like that hard. Most man who was shot in America
shot by who somebody loved them or said they did

(52:03):
or knock them off or did whatever. And most men
who've been violent or be bothered again, right, that's like
those are pretty consistent thing. But people contorted themselves to
make some kind of conspiratorial thing when sometimes the most
obvious thing is the truest. I agree with you whole heartily,
and I you know me and if he had this
conversation because you know, I saw we had the police
documents off here way before they were public, and I'm like,

(52:25):
oh he did, just like you know what I'm saying. So,
But but I think the problem is the Internet. I
really do. I think the Internet. Like when michaelm X
said the media is the most powerful tool in the
world because it can make the innocent guilty and guilt innocent.
There's nothing doing that better than the Internet. The only
thing that bothers me about when anybody says that anything happened,
it's always three sides to the story, right. It's the

(52:45):
right person on the right side of the person on
left side, and then there's the truth right, and then
there's the evidence. But don't read the information from the internet.
But the internet is difficult sometimes because they put out
so much that ain't true. That's my purpose purpose. It's
three things that mad people in the whole tip got
in calm. They hate evidence, proof, proof, the fact that

(53:07):
you have well you don't know, okay, well see, and
that's a At one point, I can't even have a
conversation with you my last thing before you get to
your last thing. I got a question. I see you
in shape, baby, I'm not. It's not I did put
bourbon now I picked up tequila baby, so passed the

(53:31):
Why had challenge you to a fight? Is that why
you're in shape? You know that you're going to jail.
J You need to be warming up with some mother's fights.
You got at that's so funny to me. This is
what happened. He called my exact skipcheet of my exactive producer.
They wanted to be on the show. I said, that's

(53:52):
not a good idea because I think you are Charlotte
or told as people, no, it's gonna be cool. And
sure enough what happened. We had this argument. He got mad,
I want to fight you? All right, Well, he said,
we're gonna have a celebrity box back, like who's at
the celebrity like you you famous for getting robbed on TV?
That's not a TV show, that's not a TV show.

(54:17):
And now what is he indicted for? Something? Right? Yeah,
I would say it's interesting to how black women are
really in terms of the legal on the legal front
they like in Atlanta and in Michigan, and with some
black women in jail not playing man, young, thug and gun.
If your name is you, are you gonna go to jail?
I know that. Lord a mercy. This is what people

(54:39):
don't get. If you rap about something that didn't happen,
that's artistic expression. Can wrap about something that did that's
a confession. That's a confession up. And stitches don't get sches,
they get immunity for prosecution. Snitch is a home by Christmas. Yeah, well, DL,
we appreciate you joining us. You could check them on
the that's right, And if you wanted, I hope you

(54:59):
get it, you know what I'm saying. No, I want
to do a top show, but I want to do
it the way I do it. Yeah, you've done CNN,
you did TV one. Yeah. Yeah, so with dealing it though, baby. Yeah,
it's Del Hugley. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, any
Charlemagne the guy? We are the Breakfast Club. It's Charlemagne
and I've been talking and we set for Friday. We're

(55:20):
gonna do a segment called pass the US. Listen, we're old, right,
we both were born Okay, you're older than me, so
what does that make you? But we both are born
in the nineteen hundreds, right correctly. You remember last year
I came in here with the ski mask on. I'm like, yeah,
am I too old? You know to be listening to
young music? You know what I mean? And I remember
I still excuse me, I still like a lot of

(55:43):
this stuff. Right, So you know, on Friday's new music
comes out, and you know, we got a very young
up I don't evenna say up and coming nine now.
I's still up and coming, right, But she's here. She's
here now, she's generation now, but she's still up and coming.
Man and you know, she got a very good air
for music, and I decided let's do a segment call
yeah called past the alswere you know, we bring people

(56:05):
up like Nala. Now it's gonna be holding it down
where she's gonna tell us what's popping out there, what's new?
She's gonna be listening to some of the albums that
we might not have time for, oh might not care about.
And she's an actual DJ. Yess yes, yes, So so
what do we got to tell here? Were passing you
the os? What's popping? What are we listening to? First?
All right, so first I wanted to give a shout
out to Scissors SOS project, which has been number one forever,

(56:28):
it seems like for seven weeks straight. Yes, so shout
out to Sissa. And at first I wasn't really feeling
the project. I'm glad you said that, and I didn't
have to because I was about to get on your
At first, I wasn't really feeling the project, but it
grew on me. And I know the fan favorite is Snooze,
but I really really like Love Language and I just

(56:48):
wanted to shine someone on that record. All right, well,
let's get into it now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Okay,
that was sis. I'm glad that you came around on Sissa.
That was a snippet of Sissior. What else we got? Ship?
People should be looking out. I was telling you sizzl
was fire, all right? No, I think scissors fire. I
just like control better. I think I had the same
Tell them why you said you didn't like the new album?
Tell him you say who you felt the album was four?

(57:08):
I don't remember. That was so long ago. First reaction.
First reactions don't really count what you got. Jesus um
he's lying, by the way. So the second project I
want to highlight. I wasn't gonna do Little Yaddi, but
I think it's still grown on me, and I don't
I don't want to be a hater because I see
how he attacked Pitchfork, So I'm gonna I'm gonna give

(57:30):
it some time. So I'm gonna talk about Sweno's project,
which actually dropped in November. It's called Love for Rent.
But that project is amazing. I don't know, it's growing
and Smeeno he's from Saint Louis. He went to college
in Chicago, and I think he got his buzz musically
in Chicago. But now he's on tour with Ji D.
They're on the Love for Rent tour and I'm a
big fan of him. He's not mainstream, but he should be.

(57:51):
He's great. So um, it's been three months and each
week I feel like I find a new song on
the project that I love. But right now on repeat
is Lee and Lovely Lee and Lovely. Yeah that sound
like a haircare product. That sounding what was keeping your
ages held down? Right now? You know, shout out to
um or ask please send me some products up. But yeah,

(58:14):
let's get into it. Here's Smeno, Lee and Lovely off
of Love for All. Right, well, now let's do here.
This is past. This is something that we're gonna be
doing Fridays. Uh usually in a nine o'clock hour, I guess.
But this is Black History moth, so we have Black
History moment, so we're doing it right now. During the
room report, what is Seno? So now let's here with
holding with passing the Austen So what's next? That was Smeno? Right,

(58:36):
that was from St. Louis. He's from Saint Louis and
I'm gonna keep itself. So I did like a new
music submission and allow artists to just send me music
from all over. I wouldn't do that. You're gonna get
a lot of trash for good Man hours. I'm so
far of trash. Hours of trash. Four hours in, I
still haven't got through the list, but I thought I
want to get into it. Here's Jehovah with Poppin. All right,

(58:59):
that was past the als man from South Carolina from
the Met eight oh three. I thank you from the Met.
Give me an Instagram and all that stuff. Now, make
sure you guys follow me on the Graham at N
Y LA S Y M O N E E. And
if you guys are in New York City February tenth,
I'm having a party Friday at mister Purple. It's a
funk Are you gonna party? Shoutouts right now now, I

(59:20):
am advantage mister Purple. It's an LS So pull up
if you guys can. If you like funk and you
like hip hop, like nineties Hip Poppins, and that's that's listening.
If if you like her playlist, you can hit that live.
That's right. Yeah. When we come back, Charletagne's giving somebody

(59:42):
donkey to day. So don't move. It's to Breakfast Club
of the Morning. The Breakfast Club, your mornings will never
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(01:00:05):
on Peak Cope. It's time for Donkey of the Day
time a Democrat, So being Dunky of the Day is
a little bit of a mixed club. So like a
Donkey o the daytor club bitches. Now I've been called
a lot of my twenty three years. That Donkey of

(01:00:26):
the Day is a new wife. Donky of to Day
for Friday in February third goes to Turning Point USA
at Clemson University dropped when the clues bombs for the
Upstate of Southway six four on What's Happening for the record,
I love my entire state of South Carolina, but I
represent the low country eight four three all day and
the eight oh three, the metro home of the South
Carolina game Cocks drop on the clues bombs for the

(01:00:48):
South Carolina games. I can't even let the words Clemson
come out of my mouth without saluting the gardener in
black of the South Carolina game. Conso, okay, that's my
wife's almamada. By the way. Now, now that we got
that out the way, let's handle business all right. It
is indeed the third day of Black History Month, and
I've been waiting. I've been waiting for the foolishness that
surrounds any celebration of blackness to begin, especially when you

(01:01:12):
have Ron de sciantists bullying the College Board into scripping
down this ap curriculum for African American studies, and when
you have conservative ledged states in school districts banning so
called critical ray theory. Yes, thirty percent of educators in
red states have limited discussions of black history. So in
a minute, they gonna get rid of this month all together.
Always coming, baby, Black History Month gonna be Black History

(01:01:34):
Week by twenty twenty four and Black History Day by
two thousan twenty five. I can see it now. It's
already the shortest month of the year. And if someone
like the scientists gets in that White House in twenty
twenty four, you can kiss black History mouff Goldbay, Trust
and belief. All Right, it's already the shortest month of
the year. And the reason they put it right before
March is because they know that's all black people are

(01:01:55):
gonna do in regards to the injustice we're facing this country.
That's what happens. We learn about what's happening with us
and to us, and then we march the history of
who we are in marching go hand in hand. Okay,
it's not a coincidence marches the month after Black History. Now,
stay woken, matter of fact, go get a nap. Okay,

(01:02:16):
I'll be joining you shortly because I'm tired, all right.
I'm tired of us being the most unseerious country on
the planet. All Right, We just out here, bro Okay,
everybody just doing things. Okay, there's absolutely no thought going
into nothing. Everybody is doing Okay. It feels like they're
just trying to get into the It feels like everybody's
just trying to get into the Rock Control Hall of Fame. Okay,

(01:02:38):
nothing feels real. Everything feels like one long terrible SNL sketch.
And you know SNL be having some long terrible sketches.
And today's no exception because Turning Point USA at Clemson
a couple of days ago, actually on the first day
of Black History Month, decided to have a big sale,
not just any kind of big sale though. Let's go
to WYF News Channel four for the report policely on

(01:03:00):
for an affirmative action bake sale at Clemson University today
left a number of students upset. Carol Nigel. Turning Point
USA at Clemson says it held the event and opposition
of affirmative action, and photo sent to WYF News for
it shows a poster with prices for the cookies varying
based on a person's race. The comments on the organization's
Instagram post called the poster racist, disturbing and bringing up

(01:03:23):
that it was put up on the first day of
Black History Month. One student had this to say, I
was shocked, like because I didn't think Clemson would allow
something like happen on campus. The fact they had prices,
the prices in it being the first day of Black
History Month, Like, I feel like that was very much

(01:03:44):
planned out, Like it was very strategic the way they
did that. An affirmative action bakesale. I repeat, an affirmative
action bake sale now I'm not the highest grade of
weed in the dispensary. But last I checked, affirmative action
was defined as a set of procedures designed to eliminate
unlawful discrimination among applicants, remedy the results of such prior discrimination,

(01:04:08):
and prevent discrimination in the future. All of that is great,
But what the hell that got to do with cookies?
Turning point USA at Clemson? Okay, these fools had a
sign showing each cookie at a different price based on
the customers race. All right, These fools had Asian cookies
at a dollar fifty, White cookies for a dollar, Hispanic
cookies for a Curtis Jackson Black cookies for twenty cents,

(01:04:29):
and Native American cookies free. I'm just glad they didn't
do thin cookies like this. Could have been way worse.
They just had regular cookies like chocolate chip or mule
raised and peanut butter. But they could have jumped out
the window and had fortune cookies for Asians. Okay, large
chunks of cooked meth commonly called meth cookies for the whites,
and biscuits aka ed word cookies for black people. Welcome

(01:04:52):
to Popeyes, chicken and Edward cookies not take your order.
I'm sorry, listen, man, here's the thing. Turning Point USA.
Clemson said they held this event in opposition to affirmative action.
It's a debate as old as time, folks. Okay, people
who oppose affirmative action say that it is unfair to
use race as a consideration and admitting students to a

(01:05:13):
college of university. Opponents of affirmative action to say that
this reverse discrimination, and that's wrong for the government ever
to use race in regards to giving out benefits like
government contracts, jobs, our admissions to school. I love when
people use the term reverse discrimination because it's usually the
people who use that term who try to gaslight you

(01:05:34):
and tell you racial discrimination is a figment of our
imaginations in the first place, and this is how they
try to gaslight you. Okay, Clemson TPUSAH chapter said debate
sale was in an effort to highlight what takes place
at other universities like Harvard and UNC and that it
was not targeting Clemson. Let me tell you something, Turning
Point USA. At Clemson, if y'all don't shut the f

(01:05:55):
up forever, what the hell do people at Clemson care
about what's going on at Harvard in UNC. Okay, if
you care about what's going on at Harvard and UNC,
take that bake sale and stay last cookies to UNC.
Okay four hours and sixteen minutes drive via I eighty
five North by Okay, Clemson, Clemson, turn Upoint USA. You
want to go to Harvard fifteen hours and fifteen minutes

(01:06:17):
drive via eighty five North and I ninety five North. Buy, Okay. Go.
If you're gonna make up reasons to do stuff like this,
at least make up decent ones. Okay, at least make
up ones that makes sense. Are you trying to highlight
what happens at two other schools at your school? Aboord mission,
I've seen enough? Okay, and look, I totally disagree with

(01:06:39):
your stands on affirmative action. Okay. Instead of whipping up
a fresh table of cookies, how about to simply explain
to me why you are opposed to affirmative action. I
would love to hear an intelligent, non racist response, but
we know we will never get that because there isn't one.
That's why Turning Point USA at Clemson has to resort

(01:07:00):
the silly ass soft batch stunts like this. Please, Turning
Point USA at Clemson, the biggest. He are all right, Charlomagne,
thank you for that donkey of the day. Now, when
we come back, we have author trainer Jason Wilson. He's
been up here before. We're gonna talk to him again.
He has a new documentary. We're gonna kick it about.

(01:07:21):
It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. I
want to get everybody is dj n V Charlomagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. Man, one of the most necessary black
men walk in the face of the earth, Brother Jason Willson. Welcome, brother, brother.
How are you doing that? How you finally? You weren't here?

(01:07:42):
I wasn't here last time. No, No, I wasn't here
last time. I was on the road. Wow. A pleasure
to meet for people that don't know who you are.
You want to just break down quickly what you do,
who you are, and some of your history. Well, yeah,
my name is Jason Wilson. I'm author of best selling
books Cry Like a Man, Breaking Fighting for Freedom from

(01:08:04):
Emotional Incarceration, and my second book is Battle Cry, Waging
and Winning the War Within. I'm also as a founder
and CEO of a nonprofit called the Union Base in Detroit,
which under this umbrella is the Cave of Adullam Transformation
or Training Academy. But we helped boys navigate through their
emotions without succumbing to them. In the world is full

(01:08:24):
of pressure, you know. You know, we didn't talk about
this a lot last time. We did, but not really.
People don't know your background, and well if you they've
read your books, they know your background. But how you
evolved as a human and got to the Jason Wilson,
we know, like you was in the street. Yeah, yeah,
I wasn't. I never was a thug, but I hung
around those who were in gangs in my community. You know.

(01:08:47):
Again it was I didn't have a father, so and
my brothers, two of them were murdered, actually one at
that time when I was younger. Then my other brother
moved to Texas. So I needed the camaraderie and so
I hung around everyone who was in the games. But
I wasn't like actively in it. However, I risked my
life many times trying to fit this mode of what
it is to be a thug. And then after losing

(01:09:10):
a lot of friends to violence, and then more importantly
answering my call to the most high. That's when my
life completely changed into the man that I am today.
Do you remember the turning point? Like do you remember
that that like bug moment? It took me almost dying
twice and then those incidents being connected to prophetic you
know words. So basically, one time I was driving a

(01:09:33):
good friend of mine's truck. At the time, he was
the number one draft pick in the NBA, and he
told me his mother told him not to drive the truck,
but he allowed me to drive it to go to
the studio because she said someone had to get an accident.
That someone was me. So when I was driving back
from the studio brothers, a car start right in front
of me, and by the time I got up on it,

(01:09:55):
it was I was driving a fore run of truck
and at the time they were top heavy, So when
I I went to swerve, the truck flipped over two times.
Some ruth opened windows down, sounds blasting, and I survived.
But what he struck you myself? Yes, So when he
came into the emergency room screaming and crying like dog,
you know you gotta listen, I'm like, dude, I'm finally

(01:10:15):
just got me on this board just in case I
have any damage vertebrates. He says, no, my mother told
me this was going to happen, and you gotta answer
your call. But even then I still didn't listen. So
fast forward another maybe four years. I'm working for Coca
Cola and I'm talking to Nicole, who is my wife now,
and I'm upset brother, because I'm working twelve hour days.

(01:10:37):
I'm gifted in music and it's helping mentoring young boys,
but yet I'm in this plant all day. And so
we're on the phone and I said, you know what,
God ain't real, so don't tell me about praying or
any of that stuff. Because if he was real, why
I'm in here wasting my life where I can't even
spend time with my daughter. I hang the phone up.
Ten minutes later, I go, like every night, to the

(01:11:00):
Palette truck. For the first time, the driver didn't lock
the brakes on the semi. I hit the back of
the truck with my high low couldn't get on it first,
back up. I'm angry because I couldn't get on. Then
I hit it again and I'm able to get on,
but this time because the brakes weren't chalked or locked.
The bed of the truck pushed away from me, but
I was leaving the dock. High Low falls to her

(01:11:23):
needed this fall off the high low the truck. The
back of the truck was about to roll back on me,
but the forks of the high low dropped down and
stop the truck. And then my friend gets inside the
high low to hit the brakes on that so it
wouldn't crush me. At that point, I looked up to
the sky and I said, most high, I said, I
never go against you again. Wow. Literally, we're trying to
buy a house where we're getting married. The week before

(01:11:45):
we had to close the truck and company wanted to
settle with me, and that's how we had the money
to close on the house. And ever since then, Brothers,
I haven't looked back. You know, truthfully, you know, I'm
a guy that just like keeping my hands to the plow.
You know, this is a blessing that I haven't opportunity
to share what has happened in my life so it
can inspire others. But I never desired any of the attention,

(01:12:07):
or rather just the lights cut off and I do
what I need to do. And what got you into
martial arts. Always desired you know, my father was in
the same city but wasn't actively in my life. So
I desired to have that man, you know, teach me
not only how to fight, every boy wants to learn
how to defend himself. But it was when you see
the old Marshal Art movies, you see the since walking

(01:12:27):
along with them, helping them throughout life, and I yearned
for that and I didn't have it. Even when I
first started martial arts in my backyard, I didn't have
a teacher. I kind of felt like David and the
scriptures where the most high it's testified as the one
who trained him for war. But then after that moment,
I started seeking going into marshal Art schools, and it

(01:12:48):
the challenge of facing your fears, you know, facing your anxieties,
your insecurities. In sports you can kind of hide from it,
and martial arts when the punch coming at you, a
kick and elboy, someone's trying to choke you or take
your back like in jiu jitsu, you got to be
able to stay calm enough to be able to counter
all of that. And so that journey just never stopped
even now, as a man, I still have what we

(01:13:11):
call a moment on a mat. We even have fathers
who would get on the train in the cave and
their breakdown crying because a certain technique or training take
them back to a moment in their childhood where it's painful.
It's interesting, right because you know when I hear you
tell your story, or I think about stories of evolution,
like you know, Malcolm Max, so I think about anything
that we've even been through. It feels like this generation

(01:13:33):
of kids aren't getting the opportunity to make the same mistake. Well,
a big shout out to Orange, New Jersey. We was
just there yesterday, superintended Abdul Salim Hassan. He was reading
my book Battle Cry. This brother is so active in
the community man, he has father groups. One of the
main things the thing we were talking about is that
the boys didn't feel like they had enough grace to

(01:13:55):
make a mistake. And so when a boy fears failure,
he tries to play it safe. And as we know,
the safe route for me, you know my ultimatum. If
I couldn't have made it in music, because I also
was a music producer, I was gonna sell drugs with
my brother. Okay, because that was the quick way out.
I can get money. He's a millionaire established in the streets,
so I can make it happen. But to do things

(01:14:15):
it's hard, like start a nonprofit, serve the community, be
able to bless all my other friends with employment. My
brother ron Lee Junior here has been with me my
twenty two years. And so it was the boys, woman
young man. I never forgot. He started showing his emotions

(01:14:36):
because it's hard to get boys to express themselves in
a culture that tells us that crying is weak for men.
And I said, you know, where's your father? And that's
when everything started pouring out of him. And I always
get to my knees to make sure they know I'm
all in for what you're talking about, and I welcome
your tears. It was trial and error, trial and error learning,

(01:14:59):
and he's not there, and then next thing you know,
the other boys start opening up. And so in the
cave what we do. The first thing you learn when
you come to the Cave of Adullum is how to fall.
So we teach you you though, but the life principle
is if you know how to fall correctly, you can
get back up. No matter how hard someone throws you.
All right, well, don't move. We got more with Jason Wilson.
When we come back. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

(01:15:21):
Everybody is d Envy Charlemagne the guy we are to
Breakfast Club. Were still kicking it with Jason Wilson. You
talk about the cave. For people that don't know what
that is, dull the Cave of Adullam. Explain to people
what that is. There's also a new film, but for
people are just tuning in, we're talking to Jason well
and they might not know they hear you talk of
the cave, or somebody wanted to join the cave to

(01:15:42):
break down what that is, because if somebody might be
confused right now. So the Cave of a Dullham historically
is where David ran for his life, David in the Bible,
who fought go life and became the king of israel Um.
He ran to the Cave of Adullum, which is a
cave in the city of a Dullam. And the story
goes that one hundred men who were distressed, discontented, end
in debt came to him and he became a captain.

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And what's beautiful about that history is that the way
these men came into that cave, they didn't leave that way.
When they left, they would call mighty men of balance.
So the Cave of a Dulham presently is a transformational
training academy in Detroit. Our mission is to teach, train,
and transform uninitiated boys and the comprehensive men, men of
the most high, men who are physically conscious, mentally astute,

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and spiraually strong enough to navigate through the pressures of
this world without succumbing to their negative emotions. The brother
to express himself, Yes, you know what I mean through
through Marshal Larkson. He was crying, but he was coaching
him through it. I was like, man, that's so powerful.
And then that our Laurence Fitshburn connect. Yeah. And so
it was even interesting about the video brother, because that

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happens a lot in our academy. So when it went viral,
we had no idea what was going on. We had
to shut our offices down for two days because men
were calling all over the world and crying to our
women's staff like I wish he was my coach. You know,
I needed that growing up. You know the reason I'm
this way now hold onto so much anger because I

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never was allowed to express those emotions and so that
struck a chord that I had no idea that needed
to be discussed. And so when that video went viral,
I got contacted by three Hollywood producers, one of which
was a gentleman named Roy Bank, who said, hey, man,
I think this story needs to be told fast forward

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him he met with Lawrence Fishburn one day. So when
Lawrence saw it, he was just blown away because of
his desire for having a ride of passage for our community.
And the rest was history here and I became close
like brothers, and he's definitely an advocate of what we do,
and he sees the importance of helping a boy he needs.

(01:17:48):
Every young boy needs a marking time, whether they said
you're no longer allowed to do childish things. And this
is why we have so many grown men and stuck
in basements because we haven't gave them a ceremony. Say,
this village needs to now treat such and such like
a man. He has put away childish things now and
he is now to be treated and giving responsibility. And

(01:18:10):
so that's what our goal is in the cave, is
to create this comprehensive boy, heal the boy, so we
can stop into generational trauma and start into generational healing. Yes, yes, sir,
Yes sir. And what's beautiful is that the fathers, I say,
and every grown man is a broken boy inside. And

(01:18:31):
Frederick Douglas says it's easier to raise children than it
is to repair broken men. How that is very true. However,
we should not leave men broken, and so I have
a passion for mending men, using the mat to heal
the father in some relationship. Us as men of our era,
we grew up, we had to be tough. Don't cry,
you know, that's that shows that's a sign of weakness.

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And many times when I have recruits doing something completely different,
like one instance, we would just doing falls breakfast and
one of the young men was started crying, I'm like,
what's wrong? And he kept looking at his dad and
he looked back at me, and he kept looking at
his dad and his dad as a boxer xboxer, And
I called his father on him, man, and I shared

(01:19:15):
with him what's going on. And he says, you know,
he says, man, I pushed him away too hard. I said,
we'll share that with him. And I sat both of
them on the side and they were just hugging each
other and talking because he needed to share his wounds
with his own son. And so as long as a
father fears vulnerability, our sons will grow up and start
repressing what they feel. And then the cycle of being

(01:19:39):
like unavailable emotionally for our wives continues, you know. And
I know so many good men, especially millennial men, don't
have mentors, and so they fear getting married because your
Instagram profile is not your life. Eventually, she's going to
see that you worried. She's going to see that you're
fearful you got a father or your your mother wasn't there.

(01:20:02):
And so as men, it's like, man, you know, they
want to get their ducks in a row, which is admirable, Um,
but I always ask him, when is the last time
you've seen ducks in a row? You know what I mean? Seriously,
you know. And our good friend, you know, uh, you know,
we talked me actually we were outside talking to him,
and that was his reason for not marrying a woman.
He longed for us in the row. He just wanted

(01:20:26):
to have his finance as the house and everything. And
I get that, and that makes sense, But you're about
to lose this woman that you can get. And because
he married her, they're doing great things right now. My
wife and I got it together together. You know, we
worked hard. She made more money than me. You gotta
say that again. My wife and I got it together together,
and so I wouldn't I didn't want to lose my

(01:20:48):
wife for my producing dreams. But because she made more
money than me didn't make me less of a man,
less of a leader. I still led my home. I
put her check in our bank account. And now you know,
my wife learned too well. I learned to value myself
more than from what I do. And that's why when
I get approached by men, you know, I mean doctors,

(01:21:10):
lawyers come up to me, crime man say, I don't
feel valuable because we base everything on what we do
instead of who we are, and that's why we work tirelessly.
We adopted the grinding mentality, which is killing a lot
of us. Let me ask, I want to go back
to what you're saying, not to cut you off. I
want to know you did cut him off. No, because
I want to go back before because he's about to change.

(01:21:31):
You were talking about the boxes. Yeah, and he was
talking about his son and he said it he was
too hard on his son. Now, now, how do you
tell the people that come to the cave about pushing
that child? Because we look at so many instances where
our father pushes their child. And then we see greats,
whether it's Beyonce or it's Michael Jackson, and you see
a lot of these greats, but you also see it
because they push their child to that limit. And you

(01:21:53):
do understand that if that father didn't push that child,
we wouldn't have that. So, so how do you blur that?
You know, depends on your definition of success? Is it
money and a lack of peace, a lack of having
true confidence that your parents really loved you. So I
talked to a lot of successful people who families have

(01:22:15):
pushed them, but yet they're struggling mentally right now because
they didn't get the love. You see what I'm saying,
And so it's like it's not even a fine line,
you know, And so sometimes that pushing is abuse. Brother,
I we don't move. We got more with Jason Wilson.
When we come back, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,
the Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club is back. Where I

(01:22:38):
want to be morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Charlemagne the guy.
We are the breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with
Jason Wilson Charlemagne. No. You know what I love about God? Man,
Like God is the best NOI in planner, Right. You
think about this, This film The Cave of Iwa was
pronouncing Cave of a Dullam exactly produced by Launce Fishburn.

(01:22:59):
It's probably could have went anywhere. Look where it ended up. ESPN,
the worldwide leader in sports, a network that you know
so many men watch. Like God put that dock exactly
where it needed to be for who needed to see
absolutely man. And what's the blessing is when I get
reached out to my NBA players or football players to

(01:23:19):
see their transparency and wanting to grow, wanting to become
better husbands and better fathers and better individuals. Man, it
just makes the the hard work, the blood sweat, and
literally the tears worth it, because you know we'll see
the cars, the fame, top seventy five in history. But
yet they're struggling behind the scenes. They're hurting. They want

(01:23:41):
to say their marriage, they want to be more patient,
they don't want to yell at their kids because they're
running late at school, you know, for school, and so
to be able to be a source of encouragement somewhat
like a spiritual father to them all, and then for
them to watch the Cave of a Dollar Cave of
Adullum documentary and see themselves in one of those boys,
and to finally have that healing cry to say, wow,

(01:24:05):
I've been holding on a lot of this pain of
how my father would always condemn me when I would
make a mistake, or my mother was emotionally checked out
because my brother was murdered, and I never really got
that nurturing love, and then to get that healing and
then to go back to your father and say, hey, Dad,
I forgive you, I love you. Can we start fresh now?
Or Mom, I completely understand why you guarded your heart

(01:24:28):
because of the heaviness of the brokenness of you losing
my brother and your son. And that's the beauty of
the Cave documentary. It showcases that although as a people
in our communities we experienced a lot of trauma, it
doesn't have to be our experience, our entire experience. I
want to go back to something you said earlier, because
you know, NBA Young Boy just did an interview with

(01:24:49):
Billboard and he expressed the same thing. And I've heard
a lot of people expressed this. I've expressed it myself,
you know, just as far as you know, the content
that we may have created as we were growing and evolving,
and you know, you was talking about the music, and
I'm like, how much we should give ourselves a lot
of grace in regards to the music we used to
create or even the content we used to create, because

(01:25:10):
we literally were doing the best with what we had
and we were in survival mold and and I'm a
type of person I feel like you got to give
people grace when they're doing what they feel like they
need to do to survive and not necessarily and what
I mean, I can use my brother for example, he
sold drugs because he needed he thought that's what he
needed to do to survive. As a result, a lot

(01:25:31):
of people lost their lives. So I can't really, you know,
celebrate that, not celebrate that. But once he knew better,
he started doing better. No he didn't. Oh man, he
died terrible death and he didn't do better. And so
again I didn't come out because I just I knew.
I knew I was wrong. I knew I shouldn't have

(01:25:52):
been doing what I was doing with my gift. But
it was those two near death experiences that changed me.
Now I do get what you're saying. Have enough great
yourself to not condemn yourself for some wrong that you've done.
Forgive yourself and move forward. But we still have to
acknowledge that what we were doing was wrong, and that's
the key. If not, you know, the next generation will
keep doing it, and then the next generation. And we

(01:26:14):
came up and what they considered a golden era of
hip hop, you know. And so you look at the covers.
I was just sharing this with the young kids yesterday.
None of the rappers I love smile out on the
album cover, and so we call it an asset framed marketing.
So now in the cave where if you look at
the first class picture, everyone was tough, Now all of

(01:26:36):
my boys smile because it's imperative that we changed this narrative.
And so what's wrong with smiling? You know? You what,
you don't want to be perceived as a joke. You know,
I know guys that have smiled, You wouldn't stand one
minute with them, in a ring or on a map.
It does not dictate who you are as a man.
So I want to be compassionate, but also want to

(01:26:58):
be courageous. I want to be sincere, but I want
to be strong. And so that's what I want to
model for boys and men, because at the end of
the day, none of us want to stay in what
I call like lyon mold or fight a flight where
you gotta be grimming all the time and tough looking
over your shoulder. I have to be that way when
I have to be. But I want to live in
the lamb. I want to be at peace. I want

(01:27:20):
to chill in the green pastures as long as I can. However,
when a predator comes or threat comes, the lion will
arise and defend the pride. And that's the importance of
us as men to model that. Even in the hip
hop culture, like a lot of rappers that reach out
to me I was like a fan of and so
it blesses me to hear them say, man, I really

(01:27:43):
respect what you're doing, and I want to become that
type of man. And as you know, from the survival
standpoint and hip hop, many of us did what we
had to do to eat, But a lot of that
was in a dream. We want to be rich, we
want to be paid. And truth be told, in Detroit,
the majority of drug dealers, I knew they didn't have
to sell drugs. Yeah, so drugs because you got props

(01:28:07):
from it, you got women, you got the cars. It
wasn't a necessity to eat. But that all comes from
a place of lack right, not necessarily lack of financi affirmation.
Brother feeling special celebrating that, and so my brother wasn't starving.
But when his friends pulled up in the BMW, he's
working at a gas station pumping the gas, and the
girl he'd liked was in the car, and they all

(01:28:27):
laughed at him and pulled off. He vowed he would
that would never happen to him again. And when I
said it never happened to him again, it never happened
to him again. But unfortunately he's not here to see
his daughter life. I wonder if we can play that
NBA young boy, click? Can you play it from the
board right now? I'm terrified people, and I'm very shocked
that I never knew why once I walk on the

(01:28:49):
stage I would get it done. I'm terrified the people.
People are cruels, like you can't control to yourself so
you're never know or someone who threw him. I always
wanted to be a rapper. It's always my dream. I
never had a plan. B. I can't down on top
fore them. You know, I will not be provoked and
I'm not going back to why I used to be.

(01:29:12):
I only get more grooved from here. Wow. You get
a pain in that brother's voice. Absolutely, and that's you
know again, I don't I don't condemn. I want to
be clear. I don't condemn where these rappers are right now.
You know, I look at them as my sons and
I can't say their name, and when they reach out,
I'd be like, I'm here for you, you know, call me.

(01:29:34):
And that's the scariest step for many of them. It's like, man, okay,
here's a man who's finally willing to engage in my life.
But that fear of taking that first step to healing. Um.
I had a UFC fire to come visit me. Literally
we're talking one day. I said, we'll look, just come
see me, man if it's that heavy, he said, I'm
there in the morning at six am. So he flew

(01:29:55):
in for the first time, and he's met with therapists before.
I had him right out all of his past trauma
and he looked at it and broke down crying in
my chair and hit in the chair in the office.
Champion Fighter never was able to face that. And so
one of our greatest fears is men is dealing with ourselves.
That's why we can't sit in a room when it's quiet.
We got to always be on the phone or smoking

(01:30:18):
or doing something drinking. But when you can put all
of that aside and just sit still, no matter if
it's shaking you to the core, and ready to face it,
then you can start healing. That's why I choose to
use my platform in such a way where I'm not perfect.
I strive for excellence. I used to strive for perfection,
but on my desk right now as a plaque that
says excellentist, because that's all I can strive for. I

(01:30:40):
can't be a perfectionist, and I want people to see
my life even with my wife and I. You know
twenty five years. This year wasn't an easy journey. No infidelity,
no gambling, no we just miss you so finances, we
just didn't get along, we would the years of just
me being negative to her or her years of not

(01:31:01):
trusting me. I can give a recent example, which was
kind of funny. We're in counseling, marital counseling, and our
therapist was like, okay, since no one is mind readers, Nicole,
you asked Jason what you would like one thing, and
then Jason you asked her what you would like. So
my wife says, well, Jay, when you come home, I
would love for you to acknowledge me first instead of

(01:31:22):
going to a little ja. I said, okay, I'll do that,
and then he says, what about you, Jay? And so
I'm sitting there inside of me, I'm like, I wish
you would just submit to me, submit to my leadership,
you know, stop bucking against what I say. That's the flesh,
that's anger. But what I really was feeling was like
it hurts because she doesn't trust me. And so I

(01:31:44):
turned to Nicole I said, hey, um, I would like
for you to trust me, and she just shook head
and she knew exactly what I was saying because that
was from my heart. Absolutely damn a lot of knowledge.
Appreciate You're gonna get battle, cry, go get like a man.
Order them on Amazon wherever you buy books. Now make
sure you watch you know, it's on ESPN Plus and

(01:32:08):
then uh, it randomly airs on ESPN. So I appreciate
ESPN doing that just to get it out. And we're
also doing like live screenings of the film. And then
we have a fireside chat for social and emotional learning
for students so they can see the value. Yes, so
they can see the value in expressing their emotions before
they become toxic thoughts and following them on social media. Yes,

(01:32:30):
mister Jason O. Wilson. All right, Jason Wilsons, and I
value you and I appreciate you. Man, appreciate you to everybody.
Come on, Charlemagne the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
Now it's Black History Month. It's definitely Black History Month,
and you know every day during Black History Month, the

(01:32:53):
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(01:33:14):
may not have known where this term derived from. But
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that I know I personally won't be using anymore. Duncan

(01:33:35):
booth or cheaper about the dozen. Matter of fact, I
go ahead and get you that one. In those enslaved times,
they used to put the mutilated enslaved people in groups
of twelve, and it would be discounts on that twelve,
which means you can get this group cheaper about the dozens. Now,
when you think about somebody being knocked up, you usually
think about pregnancy. You know, oh, she got knocked up,

(01:33:58):
she's pregnant. Now, the Oxford English Dictionary traces to turn
back to eighteen thirteen. Now I dig this back. Then,
the price of an enslaved African woman was knocked up
by the auctioneer. If she's pregnant, say you was getting
a bogo two for one. So in the enslaved periods,

(01:34:19):
if she was pregnant, oh, that price was knocked up
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(01:34:41):
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when we come back, we got the positive note it's
the Breakfast Club. Good morning everybody, a cej Envy Charlemagne
the guy. We are to Breakfast Club. You got a
positive I do, but I got a couple of announcement
so I want to make first of all, man, I
want to first of all tell us like it's church,

(01:35:02):
no it is. These are church and nomis. We do
this on Brilliant Initius Church Noss, but I'm doing them here.
February eighth, Brooklyn Public Library from seven pm the eight
thirty pm. Myself along with Tamika Mallory and I need
a copax. We will be there representing my book in print,
Black Privilege Publishing. You know I got a book in
print with Simon and Schuster. We've put out two books

(01:35:23):
through that imprint. One was Tomka de Mallory State of Emergency,
How to Win in the Country We built. The other
ones A Need to co Packs Shallow Waters. And so
they'll be there signing copies of their books. I'll be
there signing copies of my books Black Privilege in Shop
Point and we're just gonna be having a discussion about
books from seven pm to eight thirty pm at the
Brooklyn Public Library. That's on Wednesday, February the eighth. So
I will see y'all there, Okay, okay. And the positive

(01:35:47):
note man is something very very simple you should notice
already if you don't, but listen, don't just pray when
you need something, Okay, Keep God with you every day,
Pray all the time. Have a blessed weekend breakfast club bitches.
You'll finish or y'all done.

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