June 11, 2025 • 22 mins
Loren LoRosa is back in the east coast and ready to get to the latest. To start it off, you know Loren loves to take us to court! so she spoke on the new updates of the Diddy trial, where his ex Jane Doe spoke on their relationship, and seemed very similar to Cassie's. Next, she got in the trending topic of Wale and Kai Cenat, where Wale got a little in his feelings about Kai Cenat not knowing who he is after a run in at the BET Awards.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm a homegrow that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know, if you don't lie about that.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Right, Hi, guys, It's Lauren Rosa and this is the
Latest with Lauren de Rosa.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is your daily.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Dig on all things entertainment, pop culture, and exclusive news. Now,
y'all know, we like to get into the conversations that
shake the room, baby, So we're gonna get right on
into it. But first we gotta check on it because
we and grinding. When you're moving around, a lot of
times people don't people don't check on you. I saw
(00:34):
a tweet from Sexy Red where she's like, YO, check
on your strong friends, And that is what the behind
the scenes of the grind is. It's a check in
on your strong friends, on yourself, on each other. I
do it because y'all know, I'm sitting here recording majority
of the time by myself. So I do it because
a lot of times I need to check myself, Like, girl,
where you at with it? How are you? How are
(00:54):
you feeling? You know what I'm saying, Like, what's what's
really going on? So today I am f H how
am I feeling today? I've had a lot of feelings
this morning. One of the biggest overwhelming feelings that I
had this morning that I can't put into one word,
which we like to do here, but I can put
it to a few. It's just this morning, I was
just thanking God for being able to do what I
(01:16):
love every day. I got back in from La last night.
It was pretty late. My shower, got my life together,
like you know, through my clothes out and skin, you know,
social media and news Outlet's one more time to figure out,
you know what. I kind of wanted to prioritize to
talk about today on the Breakfast Club here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And I woke up this morning I felt.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Rusted, even though I know I need like another good
day of early sleep do you all the way back
from that La trip?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I felt rested.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
However, I was like, man, I wish I had the
type of job where I could just call off work
and take a date to myself, just to honestly regroup
from people and all the interactions that I've had with
people lately and recently.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I was like, you know, but my type of
job is not that type of job.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
And then I was just thinking about and thinking back
to the days where I work jobs where I would
have been thinking that just because I was so miserable
at what I was doing, not even because I needed
the actual recuperation time, but just because I wasn't happy.
And I was like, God, thank you so much, because
I'm so happy with where I am in life. It's
(02:21):
a blessing, and just be like, Hey, things are going
so well and I am busy and I am working
so much that I just kind of need just a
little pause, a little fill my cup up day versus
I am so miserable. I don't want to be in
the space that I'm in, in the space that I'm in,
completely different mental spaces to be in. And I just
remember being in the other mental space versus where I'm
(02:44):
at now, and all morning is warning driving into work,
I was just like God, thank you, Like thank you guy,
Like we really came up out of that and it
ain't never looking back. So I hope you guys are
feeling lovely as well. You know, there's been a lot
going on in courts with Diddy as a transition into
the latest, because y'all know, I love to take you
out of court, lot to take you out of court,
(03:07):
So did he Chriald, There's been a lot going on.
But you know what I would love to hear from
you guys via social media is because we've had this
conversation before. Is this stuff's just you know, adding color,
adding context and adding and providing for verius relations really
good headlines or are these witnesses now on the government
(03:29):
side that are actually needed for the case?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we have not talked about court here in detail
in some time, and since we haven't, there's been a
lot that has happened. So Diddy's team actually acts for
a mistrial. The mistrial was denied by a judge. And
the reason why did he seem acts for a mistrial
is because Diddy's attorneys alleged that one of the witnesses,
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a woman named Brianna Bungalen, who was a friend of Cassie's.
They believe that she took the stint and testified false testimony.
She testified that Diddy allegedly dangled her over the edge
of a seventeenth balcony seventeenth floor balcony at Cassie's old
apartment in la in September of twenty sixteen, which Cassie
did testify that she witnessed as well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But the defense, you know, came in. Diddy's team came
in and.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Tried to poke holes in the store using metadata from
the photos of her alleged injuries from this incident, and
they're saying that it happened on a completely different day, right,
So there was an argument about that, and they tried
to say that the testimony was false and things of
that nature. Right now, the judge has come in and
said no, not happening, not moving forward whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And the reason why he.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did that because the judge basically said, look, Brianna has
already admitted to having taken a lot of drugs, you know,
particularly during that time and question he said, it happened
years ago, and you know, we thank god that she's
sober and sober enough to come into the court and
be able to provide her testimony. But giving you a
(05:13):
mistrial or even excluding her testimony is perjury. So basically,
like I'm not going to say her testimony didn't have
you know, she didn't miss quote certain dates and times
on the testimony, but she provided a good background as
to such. The government provided enough information around that. And
(05:36):
when did he team came in and tried to poke
holes in it. The government came in and said, no,
here's exactly what happened. Because if you guys remember, the
government came back in after did he seem tried to
say she got the dates wrong, and did He was
in New York and said and provided you know, a
text messages conversations from Cassie which proved that it actually happened,
but the timing was wrong. Now, in addition to that,
(05:59):
there's been other things, like there's been a lot of
talk of you know, just jealousy on Jane Doe's side,
and Jane Doe admitting that she wanted to be more
with Diddy, that you know, there were birthdays that she
wanted to spend with her boyfriend and with you know
who was allegedly Ditty at the time, and her idea
of birthdays and celebrations and just time with him didn't
(06:22):
always include other men. She said, at one point, you know,
she got together multiple other men, three other men outside
of Diddy who were escorts, and performed sexual acts with them,
allegedly for Diddy because she just wanted to make them happy.
And she called this to all thir team, but she
said that this is not something she wanted to do,
but she felt like she was under certain pressures because
(06:42):
Diddy was financially supporting her and because she loved him.
So that was very similar to Cassie as well, So
that I kind of added to that as well. But
you know, I think a lot of what is being
provided here it's very similar to what we've heard prior
to with Cassie, and I think Cassie's testimony painted that
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very well, and it was a lot stronger because there
was like the physical abuse that they showed in court
when it came to Cassie, and Jane Doe has admitted that,
you know, her and Diddy, you know, they've had their
exchanges of words and different things. But the evidence that
they provided when it came to Cassie showed very strongly,
(07:27):
you know, the leaning into the force and the coercion
and all these things that the government is trying to show.
Did he uses to make people do things they do
not want to do, such as fly to different states,
you know, allegedly and have sex with these escorts and
things of that nature. I personally, you know, in keeping
up with Jane Do and her testimony, I kind of
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knew from the start of this, because when she first started,
you could tell that there was still a bit, you know,
of admiration for Diddy, and she did admit on the
sand that she's still and currently in love with Diddy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I knew that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Diddy's team was going to try and use small things
like the fact that you know, she's still working with
one of the attorneys who Diddy had provided for her
in the beginning of all of these things. Once the
government approached her about everything about the investigation right in
his favor, like to.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Make her not credible. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I guess I'm just saying, I don't know if this
is a big enough hit or big enough witness to
trump a lot of the other things that we've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I know, for me, I'm gonna fatigue by it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Just as a normal person listening, I'm feeling like, Okay,
I'm hearing the stories. I'm hearing all these things, but
this woman in particular, the biggest overall thing for me
from this was, yes, this is a man of power
and of influence, and drugs were introduced, and you know
what wrongs were done to her according to her, You
can't take away from her.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But a lot of this seems.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like, and he spent a lot of time talking about this,
like her feeling away because he was doing things with
Young Miami and spending money on her and doing things
for Young Miami's birthday that she was not getting. And
if I'm the government, I'm sorry, and if I'm Ditty's
attorneys at all, that is what I lean into because
it does sound like you know, a woman who's heard.
(09:15):
And don't get me wrong, even Cassie when she was
talking about that time period of her life appeared hurt
as she would have been because there was love for
this man, although he was doing the things that we've
seen him do in that CNN video and the other
things that are alleged right, well she alleged. We don't
know if that was done, but that she alleged.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But at the same time, I think that this is
first of all, this is a lot more of a
recent girlfriend. That's number one. Secondly, I don't know. I
just and maybe some attorneys can chime in. I think
that this is lower hanging fruit. And I think that
you do, like I get it, you need that because
you want to kind of drive it home to a
point where no one can even think any different if.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You're a juror. But I just don't know if.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
A testimony like this gets it to the point where
now you know, now the durors are like, okay, wait,
hold on, like is it just a jealousy thing or
did these things happen like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I just don't know for me, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think when it comes to this whole situation again,
I'm paying more attention to, Like the government is laying
out with their land out, and it's very clear with
their land out, I'm paying more attention to the defense
because I think when I see the defense come back in,
I see how they fight it, and that to me
makes me wonder how a jury is thinking. Like when
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you poke holes, like like what they try to do
with Brianna, and you're like, okay, the metadata says boom
boom boom boom boom, and you're like, okay, you got
a bombshell, And then the government comes back in and
shows text messages from Cassie. It's like the defense kind
of gives the government their like strategy, and then the
government comes back at them. And if I'm a duror, right,
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not even right if I'm ajurer. One of the biggest
things that I want to do is is I want
to try and look at it from both sides, of course,
but the rebuttal is everything, Like being able to prove
or disprove is everything in these cases, because it's so
many details that are being thrown at you, and only
big things are going to stand out, like someone not
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having a date correct, Like you know, I know the
government is leaning in with Jane Doll that Diddy's financial
status and power and just influence because of love and
emotional distress and all these things over this woman and
things that she had, you know now because she saw
the gassy beating videos and she mentioned that things like
that is how he's able to get her to do
(11:45):
these acts that she does not want to do, as
she's allegedly telling him that she does not want to
do him. Right, But I want to see how Diddy's
team comes in and is able to kind of break
this whole thing down, because that's honestly, y'all. I just
I just really think we got to get to the defense.
Like I really think we got to get to the
defensive side, because we've seen the picture that the government
(12:07):
has been painting over and over and over and over
and over and over and over. So at this point,
that is what I'm looking forward to, all right, y'all
and rapping. I know the BT Awards are done, done, done,
and I promise y'all this is the last day I'm
even mentioning the BT Awards anywhere. But in fairness, if
you took a listen to my report that I did
(12:28):
on the Breakfast Club about walle music artists Lea and
Kai Sanat.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Wile ran in the Kai Sanat and this took place,
So hold up, bussy, good what I'll beat you a
gang Walley? Oh my god, that was somebody crazy. Hey,
the whole chat knows him.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
What do you do? All work?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Looking like lotus la oh shit. And then while they
ran back into Kysannai and he said this.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That should make me look crazy right now to say,
you know what, that's making me look crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The exchange that we had in the hall way, I
mean they're running with it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But later, because of this an interaction, some people have
been saying, yo, it's so whack. While A got such
a big ego, he's mad that kayson I didn't recognize him.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's corny. Kay Sanat is younger.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He wouldn't recognize you because you haven't put out music
and you know all these things, which while has dropped
a few little things here and there, but basically people
mean like he has had like a big splash recently
of music or like you know, hits or hit singles
or things of that nature. Now, While responded in the
Shaperoom comments, and he said, this is crazy. I didn't
even know we was being filmed both times we played
(13:49):
in a celebrity football game last year.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I was really confused.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And what while as referring to is in the audioce
you guys just heard Kay Sana is filming because he's
live on stream.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Kay Sanat is always live on stream.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There's also a person if they're filming with a camera
that while I don't know how while they didn't see him,
the camera person, but I know when DDG came up here,
it was very clear that someone was filming. Even though
it goes to a stream, it's like a camera pack
that they have when they're doing it. So I don't
know while they missed that, But he's saying that he
didn't know that they were being filmed for people that
(14:21):
are basically saying that he was reaching for a moment
who was he was embarrassed because it was on video
or on stream or whatever, right, So from this conversation
while they then post it and add for a Nintendo Switch,
which is what he was playing, as you guys heard
when he first ran into time. And the people are
arguing back and forth because there's one side of the fence,
(14:41):
you know, and this this is honestly taking us to
the streets and the tweets.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Outside outside, we outside, outside of every other page.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Because all of this is going down on Twitter. So
there's one side of the fence. Who was like, listen,
y'all love to sit here and act like while at
just be yelling and screaming for no reason.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Angel the singer.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Said, people in the industry have spent years trying to
treat while like a step child when he's really one
of the goats. And she put goats in all caps,
and she said, and I'll be damned, I'll argue with
everybody on this app. And basically what she's alluding to
is the other side of the coin. The other side
of the coin is that people are first of all,
people feel like Kay Sanat did know who while they
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was and that he was just trying to play him.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What's y'all? That is so not in Kasanat's fashion.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He is he seems like I've never been him in person,
but from every interaction I've ever seen him have, he
seems very respectful, very honest, and he's never just trying
to put someone down for no reason. But the conversation
on whether Kai knew who he was or should have
known who he was or not begin fans to talk
about whether while At musically is in a position to
(15:50):
even feel like Kai should have known who he was
and who's fault is that? And when I say who's
fault is that, there's always been, you know, conversation around
while they choosing to remove himself from certain label deals
and you know just how his career went and how
much of the onus on himself needs to be put
there for that other You know, people are bringing in
(16:11):
age because of how young Kai Sanat is, but they're
saying it like, you know, while as songs are so big,
so no matter the age, like the Lotus, Flower Bomb
and things of that nature, you should still know who
he is now. Another person said, Dasha Goat says, while
A gets a bad rap for standing up for himself
and not letting certain shit slide, you guys stand up
(16:32):
for yourself. You can't let a person play with you ever.
And that is in response to people saying that the
second interaction they have with Kai Sanat was uncalled for
because Kai Sannat wasn't being you know again, wasn't trying
to directly play with while he just honestly didn't know
who he was. But while Ay, that has always been
another conversation around him as well too. He speaks out
(16:54):
when things happen to him. He's very vocal about and honestly,
it's so crazy because as vocal as he is when
he does decide to speak out and say certain things,
he's also very secluded into himself and don't say nothing
about nothing unless it's about his outfits.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I thought that this was interesting because as a Walay fan,
I'm just gonna speak for myself.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm a fan of Wallet's creativity.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And when I say that, I mean, you know, his
ability to write and put words together the way that
he does and put it over music and understand like
sounds and you know, like he is amazing at what
he does.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And that's why when he puts out music things stick.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Now, whether he's done that recently in a way that
everybody's jumping and go listen to the song or not,
y'all can argue about that all you want. But when
you think about, you know, Wila in the era when
we got to know ya, he's amazing at what he does. Now,
who is there a finger that you can point on
who's to blame about? Why we don't know nor some
(18:01):
people care? I mean, and again I'm not talking about myself.
I'm a Walet fan, but there are some people who
will tell you in twenty twenty five, literally on Twitter
right now, there are people arguing that in twenty twenty five,
wallet is not relevant.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
People just don't care, and it's not Kay's fault.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So when interactions like this happen with a younger art,
I mean, with a younger creator and an older creator,
and you know, there's been so much conversation around Wile's
career and why things went silent and if he is
to blame, if he is the problem. People feel like
there has been self sabotage to some sorts Now, this
is nothing that any of us can you know, point
(18:36):
a direct finger to or confirm. There has just been
instances of various things with him, not you know, wanting
to be on labels and not doing certain things and
honestly just want to do things his way. But this
could also just be an artist who you know, feels
like he's not being treated well and that's how he
stands up for himself in this whole situation, I'm asking
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you guys, who was right and who was wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's Kai to not wrong for honestly just not knowing who.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Wile was, because there are people on this app who
are making it seemed like that above the rim On excess,
Wile is legit probably the most disrespected rapper ever.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But how is that Kai Sannatt's fault?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I don't understand how the conversation turns to that, Like,
how is that Kai Sannat's fault? Another person tweeted, it's
no excuse for Kai Sannat not to know who Wile is,
y'all bralaming us on age.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He was born in two thousand. He is twenty three,
not twelve.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And then on the other side, people are like, I mean,
oh wayle would have handed this way different two thousand
and nine, twenty ten, Wylee would have had twelve to
thirteen tweets about it. All he did was plug Nintendo switch. Obviously,
I'm hoping you know, there's some sort of deal with
them now, He commented and explained why he felt weird
(19:58):
by the interaction. I think he was under their impression
at ky Son. I would have remembered him from that
celebrity football game based on his words, Wileet's words themselves,
and then he moved on. But I always think it's
interesting when the artist is isn't as big as some
people or none in that because Wallet is a big name,
Like I don't know why people I hate when people
have this conversation about Wallet because I think just because
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someone doesn't have something that's streaming on the radio every
single day doesn't mean that this artist contributions doesn't matter
and that he is not who he is talent wise.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I think that we need to be able to
separate the two things.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And because of how big social media is and how
loud things get and how big this interaction was for instance, right,
we aren't able to separate the two things.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I think it's unfair to both parties. But people
are upset.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
They're upset at Wilat because they feel like this made
him look bad, This made him look corny, this made him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know, have a huge or it leans into the whole.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Wila has this huge ego and that's this issue now
and that's why things are not working for him now.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But then on the other side, people are like, come on, Ki,
for you to be in this world of things doing
what you're doing, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What do y'all think? Who do y'all think? Right or wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
In my opinion, Kay Sanai, I don't believe that he
knew who Wiale was off rip. I think maybe if
you played him a couple of songs a bit and
gave him, you know, a little bit of like background context,
he might have came around to remembering him and even
might have remembered playing in the game with him. I
think kays s and I is just one of those
people who receives everyone very graciously and friendly. Even in
a video interaction him saying what's up to It's not
(21:26):
like like he just said what's up to him? Because
they were walking past each other and just had a
human interaction with him or do you think on the
other hand, you know, Wilele is you know wrong for
And honestly, it wasn't even the first interaction. It was
that second interaction that I was like, oh, that's not
gonna be taken well because it was more so like, yo,
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you played with me on stream like it was kind
of like it was a soft come on, y'all, stop,
come on, stop playing with me, because I think you know,
I don't notice for sure, but based off of the
interaction that y'all just listened to from what I'm hearing
and what I'm in interpreting, while they felt a way
by how this was taken, by how he was made
to look, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't believe it was intentional.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So y'all gonna take a look at videos, y'all listen
to the audio here. Now, let me know what y'all
think about it. Now. At the end of the day,
there's always a lot to talk about and y'all could
be anywhere with anybody talking about it, but you choose
to be right here with me, and I appreciate you,
guys every single time you do.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I'll see you guys, in my next episode,
I'm a homegrow that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know, if you don't lie about that.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Right, Hi, guys, It's Lauren Rosa and this is the
Latest with Lauren de Rosa.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is your daily.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Dig on all things entertainment, pop culture, and exclusive news. Now,
y'all know, we like to get into the conversations that
shake the room, baby, So we're gonna get right on
into it. But first we gotta check on it because
we and grinding. When you're moving around, a lot of
times people don't people don't check on you. I saw
(00:34):
a tweet from Sexy Red where she's like, YO, check
on your strong friends, And that is what the behind
the scenes of the grind is. It's a check in
on your strong friends, on yourself, on each other. I
do it because y'all know, I'm sitting here recording majority
of the time by myself. So I do it because
a lot of times I need to check myself, Like, girl,
where you at with it? How are you? How are
(00:54):
you feeling? You know what I'm saying, Like, what's what's
really going on? So today I am f H how
am I feeling today? I've had a lot of feelings
this morning. One of the biggest overwhelming feelings that I
had this morning that I can't put into one word,
which we like to do here, but I can put
it to a few. It's just this morning, I was
just thanking God for being able to do what I
(01:16):
love every day. I got back in from La last night.
It was pretty late. My shower, got my life together,
like you know, through my clothes out and skin, you know,
social media and news Outlet's one more time to figure out,
you know what. I kind of wanted to prioritize to
talk about today on the Breakfast Club here on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And I woke up this morning I felt.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Rusted, even though I know I need like another good
day of early sleep do you all the way back
from that La trip?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But I felt rested.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
However, I was like, man, I wish I had the
type of job where I could just call off work
and take a date to myself, just to honestly regroup
from people and all the interactions that I've had with
people lately and recently.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I was like, you know, but my type of
job is not that type of job.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
And then I was just thinking about and thinking back
to the days where I work jobs where I would
have been thinking that just because I was so miserable
at what I was doing, not even because I needed
the actual recuperation time, but just because I wasn't happy.
And I was like, God, thank you so much, because
I'm so happy with where I am in life. It's
(02:21):
a blessing, and just be like, Hey, things are going
so well and I am busy and I am working
so much that I just kind of need just a
little pause, a little fill my cup up day versus
I am so miserable. I don't want to be in
the space that I'm in, in the space that I'm in,
completely different mental spaces to be in. And I just
remember being in the other mental space versus where I'm
(02:44):
at now, and all morning is warning driving into work,
I was just like God, thank you, Like thank you guy,
Like we really came up out of that and it
ain't never looking back. So I hope you guys are
feeling lovely as well. You know, there's been a lot
going on in courts with Diddy as a transition into
the latest, because y'all know, I love to take you
out of court, lot to take you out of court,
(03:07):
So did he Chriald, There's been a lot going on.
But you know what I would love to hear from
you guys via social media is because we've had this
conversation before. Is this stuff's just you know, adding color,
adding context and adding and providing for verius relations really
good headlines or are these witnesses now on the government
(03:29):
side that are actually needed for the case?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So we have not talked about court here in detail
in some time, and since we haven't, there's been a
lot that has happened. So Diddy's team actually acts for
a mistrial. The mistrial was denied by a judge. And
the reason why did he seem acts for a mistrial
is because Diddy's attorneys alleged that one of the witnesses,
(03:56):
a woman named Brianna Bungalen, who was a friend of Cassie's.
They believe that she took the stint and testified false testimony.
She testified that Diddy allegedly dangled her over the edge
of a seventeenth balcony seventeenth floor balcony at Cassie's old
apartment in la in September of twenty sixteen, which Cassie
did testify that she witnessed as well.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But the defense, you know, came in. Diddy's team came
in and.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Tried to poke holes in the store using metadata from
the photos of her alleged injuries from this incident, and
they're saying that it happened on a completely different day, right,
So there was an argument about that, and they tried
to say that the testimony was false and things of
that nature. Right now, the judge has come in and
said no, not happening, not moving forward whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And the reason why he.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Did that because the judge basically said, look, Brianna has
already admitted to having taken a lot of drugs, you know,
particularly during that time and question he said, it happened
years ago, and you know, we thank god that she's
sober and sober enough to come into the court and
be able to provide her testimony. But giving you a
(05:13):
mistrial or even excluding her testimony is perjury. So basically,
like I'm not going to say her testimony didn't have
you know, she didn't miss quote certain dates and times
on the testimony, but she provided a good background as
to such. The government provided enough information around that. And
(05:36):
when did he team came in and tried to poke
holes in it. The government came in and said, no,
here's exactly what happened. Because if you guys remember, the
government came back in after did he seem tried to
say she got the dates wrong, and did He was
in New York and said and provided you know, a
text messages conversations from Cassie which proved that it actually happened,
but the timing was wrong. Now, in addition to that,
(05:59):
there's been other things, like there's been a lot of
talk of you know, just jealousy on Jane Doe's side,
and Jane Doe admitting that she wanted to be more
with Diddy, that you know, there were birthdays that she
wanted to spend with her boyfriend and with you know
who was allegedly Ditty at the time, and her idea
of birthdays and celebrations and just time with him didn't
(06:22):
always include other men. She said, at one point, you know,
she got together multiple other men, three other men outside
of Diddy who were escorts, and performed sexual acts with them,
allegedly for Diddy because she just wanted to make them happy.
And she called this to all thir team, but she
said that this is not something she wanted to do,
but she felt like she was under certain pressures because
(06:42):
Diddy was financially supporting her and because she loved him.
So that was very similar to Cassie as well, So
that I kind of added to that as well. But
you know, I think a lot of what is being
provided here it's very similar to what we've heard prior
to with Cassie, and I think Cassie's testimony painted that
(07:03):
very well, and it was a lot stronger because there
was like the physical abuse that they showed in court
when it came to Cassie, and Jane Doe has admitted that,
you know, her and Diddy, you know, they've had their
exchanges of words and different things. But the evidence that
they provided when it came to Cassie showed very strongly,
(07:27):
you know, the leaning into the force and the coercion
and all these things that the government is trying to show.
Did he uses to make people do things they do
not want to do, such as fly to different states,
you know, allegedly and have sex with these escorts and
things of that nature. I personally, you know, in keeping
up with Jane Do and her testimony, I kind of
(07:48):
knew from the start of this, because when she first started,
you could tell that there was still a bit, you know,
of admiration for Diddy, and she did admit on the
sand that she's still and currently in love with Diddy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I knew that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Diddy's team was going to try and use small things
like the fact that you know, she's still working with
one of the attorneys who Diddy had provided for her
in the beginning of all of these things. Once the
government approached her about everything about the investigation right in
his favor, like to.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Make her not credible. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I guess I'm just saying, I don't know if this
is a big enough hit or big enough witness to
trump a lot of the other things that we've seen.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And I know, for me, I'm gonna fatigue by it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Just as a normal person listening, I'm feeling like, Okay,
I'm hearing the stories. I'm hearing all these things, but
this woman in particular, the biggest overall thing for me
from this was, yes, this is a man of power
and of influence, and drugs were introduced, and you know
what wrongs were done to her according to her, You
can't take away from her.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But a lot of this seems.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like, and he spent a lot of time talking about this,
like her feeling away because he was doing things with
Young Miami and spending money on her and doing things
for Young Miami's birthday that she was not getting. And
if I'm the government, I'm sorry, and if I'm Ditty's
attorneys at all, that is what I lean into because
it does sound like you know, a woman who's heard.
(09:15):
And don't get me wrong, even Cassie when she was
talking about that time period of her life appeared hurt
as she would have been because there was love for
this man, although he was doing the things that we've
seen him do in that CNN video and the other
things that are alleged right, well she alleged. We don't
know if that was done, but that she alleged.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
But at the same time, I think that this is
first of all, this is a lot more of a
recent girlfriend. That's number one. Secondly, I don't know. I
just and maybe some attorneys can chime in. I think
that this is lower hanging fruit. And I think that
you do, like I get it, you need that because
you want to kind of drive it home to a
point where no one can even think any different if.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You're a juror. But I just don't know if.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
A testimony like this gets it to the point where
now you know, now the durors are like, okay, wait,
hold on, like is it just a jealousy thing or
did these things happen like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I just don't know for me, y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think when it comes to this whole situation again,
I'm paying more attention to, Like the government is laying
out with their land out, and it's very clear with
their land out, I'm paying more attention to the defense
because I think when I see the defense come back in,
I see how they fight it, and that to me
makes me wonder how a jury is thinking. Like when
(10:37):
you poke holes, like like what they try to do
with Brianna, and you're like, okay, the metadata says boom
boom boom boom boom, and you're like, okay, you got
a bombshell, And then the government comes back in and
shows text messages from Cassie. It's like the defense kind
of gives the government their like strategy, and then the
government comes back at them. And if I'm a duror, right,
(10:59):
not even right if I'm ajurer. One of the biggest
things that I want to do is is I want
to try and look at it from both sides, of course,
but the rebuttal is everything, Like being able to prove
or disprove is everything in these cases, because it's so
many details that are being thrown at you, and only
big things are going to stand out, like someone not
(11:22):
having a date correct, Like you know, I know the
government is leaning in with Jane Doll that Diddy's financial
status and power and just influence because of love and
emotional distress and all these things over this woman and
things that she had, you know now because she saw
the gassy beating videos and she mentioned that things like
that is how he's able to get her to do
(11:45):
these acts that she does not want to do, as
she's allegedly telling him that she does not want to
do him. Right, But I want to see how Diddy's
team comes in and is able to kind of break
this whole thing down, because that's honestly, y'all. I just
I just really think we got to get to the defense.
Like I really think we got to get to the
defensive side, because we've seen the picture that the government
(12:07):
has been painting over and over and over and over
and over and over and over. So at this point,
that is what I'm looking forward to, all right, y'all
and rapping. I know the BT Awards are done, done, done,
and I promise y'all this is the last day I'm
even mentioning the BT Awards anywhere. But in fairness, if
you took a listen to my report that I did
(12:28):
on the Breakfast Club about walle music artists Lea and
Kai Sanat.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Wile ran in the Kai Sanat and this took place,
So hold up, bussy, good what I'll beat you a
gang Walley? Oh my god, that was somebody crazy. Hey,
the whole chat knows him.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
What do you do? All work?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Looking like lotus la oh shit. And then while they
ran back into Kysannai and he said this.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That should make me look crazy right now to say,
you know what, that's making me look crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
The exchange that we had in the hall way, I
mean they're running with it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
But later, because of this an interaction, some people have
been saying, yo, it's so whack. While A got such
a big ego, he's mad that kayson I didn't recognize him.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's corny. Kay Sanat is younger.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
He wouldn't recognize you because you haven't put out music
and you know all these things, which while has dropped
a few little things here and there, but basically people
mean like he has had like a big splash recently
of music or like you know, hits or hit singles
or things of that nature. Now, While responded in the
Shaperoom comments, and he said, this is crazy. I didn't
even know we was being filmed both times we played
(13:49):
in a celebrity football game last year.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I was really confused.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And what while as referring to is in the audioce
you guys just heard Kay Sana is filming because he's
live on stream.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Kay Sanat is always live on stream.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There's also a person if they're filming with a camera
that while I don't know how while they didn't see him,
the camera person, but I know when DDG came up here,
it was very clear that someone was filming. Even though
it goes to a stream, it's like a camera pack
that they have when they're doing it. So I don't
know while they missed that, But he's saying that he
didn't know that they were being filmed for people that
(14:21):
are basically saying that he was reaching for a moment
who was he was embarrassed because it was on video
or on stream or whatever, right, So from this conversation
while they then post it and add for a Nintendo Switch,
which is what he was playing, as you guys heard
when he first ran into time. And the people are
arguing back and forth because there's one side of the fence,
(14:41):
you know, and this this is honestly taking us to
the streets and the tweets.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Outside outside, we outside, outside of every other page.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Because all of this is going down on Twitter. So
there's one side of the fence. Who was like, listen,
y'all love to sit here and act like while at
just be yelling and screaming for no reason.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Angel the singer.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Said, people in the industry have spent years trying to
treat while like a step child when he's really one
of the goats. And she put goats in all caps,
and she said, and I'll be damned, I'll argue with
everybody on this app. And basically what she's alluding to
is the other side of the coin. The other side
of the coin is that people are first of all,
people feel like Kay Sanat did know who while they
(15:25):
was and that he was just trying to play him.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What's y'all? That is so not in Kasanat's fashion.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
He is he seems like I've never been him in person,
but from every interaction I've ever seen him have, he
seems very respectful, very honest, and he's never just trying
to put someone down for no reason. But the conversation
on whether Kai knew who he was or should have
known who he was or not begin fans to talk
about whether while At musically is in a position to
(15:50):
even feel like Kai should have known who he was
and who's fault is that? And when I say who's
fault is that, there's always been, you know, conversation around
while they choosing to remove himself from certain label deals
and you know just how his career went and how
much of the onus on himself needs to be put
there for that other You know, people are bringing in
(16:11):
age because of how young Kai Sanat is, but they're
saying it like, you know, while as songs are so big,
so no matter the age, like the Lotus, Flower Bomb
and things of that nature, you should still know who
he is now. Another person said, Dasha Goat says, while
A gets a bad rap for standing up for himself
and not letting certain shit slide, you guys stand up
(16:32):
for yourself. You can't let a person play with you ever.
And that is in response to people saying that the
second interaction they have with Kai Sanat was uncalled for
because Kai Sannat wasn't being you know again, wasn't trying
to directly play with while he just honestly didn't know
who he was. But while Ay, that has always been
another conversation around him as well too. He speaks out
(16:54):
when things happen to him. He's very vocal about and honestly,
it's so crazy because as vocal as he is when
he does decide to speak out and say certain things,
he's also very secluded into himself and don't say nothing
about nothing unless it's about his outfits.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I thought that this was interesting because as a Walay fan,
I'm just gonna speak for myself.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm a fan of Wallet's creativity.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And when I say that, I mean, you know, his
ability to write and put words together the way that
he does and put it over music and understand like
sounds and you know, like he is amazing at what
he does.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And that's why when he puts out music things stick.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Now, whether he's done that recently in a way that
everybody's jumping and go listen to the song or not,
y'all can argue about that all you want. But when
you think about, you know, Wila in the era when
we got to know ya, he's amazing at what he does. Now,
who is there a finger that you can point on
who's to blame about? Why we don't know nor some
(18:01):
people care? I mean, and again I'm not talking about myself.
I'm a Walet fan, but there are some people who
will tell you in twenty twenty five, literally on Twitter
right now, there are people arguing that in twenty twenty five,
wallet is not relevant.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
People just don't care, and it's not Kay's fault.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So when interactions like this happen with a younger art,
I mean, with a younger creator and an older creator,
and you know, there's been so much conversation around Wile's
career and why things went silent and if he is
to blame, if he is the problem. People feel like
there has been self sabotage to some sorts Now, this
is nothing that any of us can you know, point
(18:36):
a direct finger to or confirm. There has just been
instances of various things with him, not you know, wanting
to be on labels and not doing certain things and
honestly just want to do things his way. But this
could also just be an artist who you know, feels
like he's not being treated well and that's how he
stands up for himself in this whole situation, I'm asking
(18:56):
you guys, who was right and who was wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's Kai to not wrong for honestly just not knowing who.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Wile was, because there are people on this app who
are making it seemed like that above the rim On excess,
Wile is legit probably the most disrespected rapper ever.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But how is that Kai Sannatt's fault?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I don't understand how the conversation turns to that, Like,
how is that Kai Sannat's fault? Another person tweeted, it's
no excuse for Kai Sannat not to know who Wile is,
y'all bralaming us on age.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He was born in two thousand. He is twenty three,
not twelve.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And then on the other side, people are like, I mean,
oh wayle would have handed this way different two thousand
and nine, twenty ten, Wylee would have had twelve to
thirteen tweets about it. All he did was plug Nintendo switch. Obviously,
I'm hoping you know, there's some sort of deal with
them now, He commented and explained why he felt weird
(19:58):
by the interaction. I think he was under their impression
at ky Son. I would have remembered him from that
celebrity football game based on his words, Wileet's words themselves,
and then he moved on. But I always think it's
interesting when the artist is isn't as big as some
people or none in that because Wallet is a big name,
Like I don't know why people I hate when people
have this conversation about Wallet because I think just because
(20:20):
someone doesn't have something that's streaming on the radio every
single day doesn't mean that this artist contributions doesn't matter
and that he is not who he is talent wise.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And I think that we need to be able to
separate the two things.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And because of how big social media is and how
loud things get and how big this interaction was for instance, right,
we aren't able to separate the two things.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And I think it's unfair to both parties. But people
are upset.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
They're upset at Wilat because they feel like this made
him look bad, This made him look corny, this made him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know, have a huge or it leans into the whole.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Wila has this huge ego and that's this issue now
and that's why things are not working for him now.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But then on the other side, people are like, come on, Ki,
for you to be in this world of things doing
what you're doing, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
What do y'all think? Who do y'all think? Right or wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
In my opinion, Kay Sanai, I don't believe that he
knew who Wiale was off rip. I think maybe if
you played him a couple of songs a bit and
gave him, you know, a little bit of like background context,
he might have came around to remembering him and even
might have remembered playing in the game with him. I
think kays s and I is just one of those
people who receives everyone very graciously and friendly. Even in
a video interaction him saying what's up to It's not
(21:26):
like like he just said what's up to him? Because
they were walking past each other and just had a
human interaction with him or do you think on the
other hand, you know, Wilele is you know wrong for
And honestly, it wasn't even the first interaction. It was
that second interaction that I was like, oh, that's not
gonna be taken well because it was more so like, yo,
(21:46):
you played with me on stream like it was kind
of like it was a soft come on, y'all, stop,
come on, stop playing with me, because I think you know,
I don't notice for sure, but based off of the
interaction that y'all just listened to from what I'm hearing
and what I'm in interpreting, while they felt a way
by how this was taken, by how he was made
to look, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't believe it was intentional.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
So y'all gonna take a look at videos, y'all listen
to the audio here. Now, let me know what y'all
think about it. Now. At the end of the day,
there's always a lot to talk about and y'all could
be anywhere with anybody talking about it, but you choose
to be right here with me, and I appreciate you,
guys every single time you do.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I'll see you guys, in my next episode,
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