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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Finish, y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody is the j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club law Ros here as well.
We got some special guests in the Bountain. Come on
now we have one twelve, we have total and we
have Case. Welcome, Welcome, welcome, We welcome man.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And this is not a random link up y'all going
on tour together?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
This is the one.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Twelve room one twelve thirtieth anniversary tour. We're so excited
about our brother Case and our sister's total with us.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
So you know, have a good time. Man.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
First first shows win November health Yeah, November twelve. Staff
for Connecticut Brooklyn is November thirteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So there's a members missing. So are the members going
to be on tour or this is the tour?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, okay, this is okay, okay, yeah, nice.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
My other members.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
By yourself, we're made.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now the right time for all of y'all to come
together for this tour.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Oh that's a great question, bro. Honestly managed it. It
just felt right it being thirty years, you know, us
being in the game. So it just it just makes
sense for us to just get out there and just
show the fans that we really appreciate what they've been doing,
you know, been rocking out with us for the last
thirty years man, So you know, we're really excited about it. Man,
Like we're managed totally and one twelve are managed by
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the same you know crew.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So of course that was an easy, you know decision
to make with that.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
And then in case you know, being you know bro, Yeah,
that's the bro, you know what I mean, and all
of us having that catalog is definitely we wanted to
bring back that ninety nostalgia you feel and all.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Y'all still sing thank you.
Speaker 8 (01:47):
That's you know, not everybody doing it, but y'all can
still sing.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
That's important. Good, yes, man.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So were you guys on the road already on tour
before or you you have to break from family obligations
and be like, I'm gonna need to take some time
out and get on tour.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
We Keisha and I were on.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
We just started back a year ago.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
We came back out. We did the R and B
tour part of that. Yeah, we were home. We came
my family and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
How difficult was that getting back on the road, getting
back on dancing, getting back on How difficult was that?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It really it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (02:18):
It really wasn't difficult. It's like, you know, like riding bike.
Once you did it, you done. So it's just you know,
my kids are older, Keisha still has a high school child.
But so it wasn't hard at all. They're very supportive,
you know. They actually was like, go do it.
Speaker 10 (02:32):
By yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (02:37):
Rehearsals was dope. We had to you know, work it
out a little bit. But like Keema said, it's like
riding a bike. Once you get started.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
My vibe is very authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So it's you know, but people went through dancing from
the old videos. If you ain't hitting them them.
Speaker 9 (02:52):
Dancing, we danced and we got our box.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
How did y'all find that balance back in the day
between being like sexy was strong, was still street with it, Like,
how did y'all find that balance?
Speaker 9 (03:07):
It was just natural, like that's just who we are
growing up Jersey like.
Speaker 10 (03:12):
How we were, Yeah, and that's what made us. To me,
that's what made us who we were. Total the name
started out as total opposites because we were all individuals
in our own way, you know. So it was it
wasn't like you had to buy the brand.
Speaker 11 (03:27):
We came as we were.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yep. How was the bad Boy ever back then?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Growing up?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Right, because there was a time nineties two thousand it
was nothing but bad Boy in the radio, nothing but
bad Boy on the streets, mixtapes to clubs. How was
that era where just it felt like anything y'all did hit.
Speaker 11 (03:46):
It was, it's some beautiful things.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
It was fun, it was. That's what we learned a
lot of our grind from that whole era.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Grinding just out there.
Speaker 11 (03:56):
It was going to the time like it was just fun.
It was just like a.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Big yep, yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Us coming from Atlanta. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (04:06):
It like it was a different it was like a
different culture. So you know, you know, you can imagine
how that felt.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
He's coming.
Speaker 12 (04:11):
I know, he's from the you know what I'm saying.
So you're coming to New York culture culture, you know.
So you know, but but it was so much fun
because it was just like, okay, clubs smaller, but you
know what i mean. But it was like in your face,
so you know what I'm saying. So, but we learned
a lot musically here.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
M hmm.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What about you for you case now, you weren't on
bad Boy, You're on Death Jam Jam. You a songwriter,
you had you have the I always say, you have
that one wedding song that you will get paid.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For for the rest of your life. Happily ever after, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was that was coming up for you in that
and during that time because at that time you were
death Jam. Death Jam was heavy pop, and you was
probably one of the only R and B singers at
the time.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I mean it was.
Speaker 13 (04:54):
It was cool for me, except for the only problem
that they was learning on the fly how to do
R and B and so I caught up in that sometime.
But yeah, I mean, you know how big they was then,
so that part was cool. It was just a lot
of times they had a lot of hip hop sensibilities
because it's hip hop labor. But one of the things
that helped me was that I was the last artist
that Russell personally signed to Death Jail, so I'd always
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call him and be like, yo, I can snitch.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The record was gonna be so timeless, like touch me,
tease me happily ever ever.
Speaker 13 (05:24):
I didn't know, but that's what I always wanted to
do like I never wanted to make like trendy stuff.
I always wanted to make music like my parents would
listen to stuff from like twenty thirty years earlier, and
it would have me doing it. And so my thing
was like, if I could do that, then I'd be
happy and then everything else will fall in line.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You worked with a Mary Jay Beyond Foxy Brown, who else?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
There's a bunch of people ll ghost Face, ghost Face,
genuine Tyrie, genuine Tyr, Jam and Lewis.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What's a session that changed the way you saw yourself
as an artist?
Speaker 13 (05:56):
M probably Jam and Lewis because I was a huge
fan and I'm like, I'm sitting in room with Jimmy,
Jame and Terry Lewis and I'm like and they was like, well, yeah, Janet,
we're gonna have Janet comes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
She loves you.
Speaker 13 (06:08):
And I'm like wait, wait wait wait, I'm like wait
wait wait, got a call that Yeah, yeah, we don't
need to do that. I was just saying, I love
I don't have don't have a walk in here, because
that had have been different, But it was really that
one because I'm like sitting there, I've been listening to
him forever and I'm like, dag, I'm sitting here. Another
one was the first time I worked with Charlie Wilson.
I had wrote a song for him and I was
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a huge fan. And I'm sitting in the booth behind
him on the floor while he's doing his vocals and
I'm tripping out like this is really happening.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So it was a lot of different moments.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I felt like, def Jim didn't treat you like a
regular artist, right with total.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
In one twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I would see them out in the club like bad
Boy would have him Mountain Death Jim artists, Deaf Gym
would have them mount I didn't see you Deaf Jim
put you out as much like that?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Was it because you didn't want.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
To go out or probably didn't know what to do
it because he was R and B.
Speaker 13 (06:57):
I think a lot of it. Yeah, First of all,
I hate going out, okay, So if I didn't have
to be there, listen, that's why you always be like yo,
you had a lot of stuff about you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I know how to be over here.
Speaker 13 (07:09):
So yeah, I mean I wasn't really big on going out,
or when I did, it'd be I'd be somewhere else
unless I had to be somewhere with them.
Speaker 14 (07:17):
Gotcha, did you guys? Well, Mike, I saw you say that.
You feel like, you know, you guys, first album. Without that,
you don't think that R and B would be as
prevalent or as worldwide as it is right now.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, because we felt like we contributed
a lot more than one twelve. You know, we walk
around with modesty on our shoulders and stuff, and I
know that that's you know, Huberts to say that while
you're talking about modesty, right, But yeah, we we always
walked around with this this mindset that, man, we'll.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Let our actions speak for themselves.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
But we would always challenge people like find us because
our niche in the industry was hip hop and R
and B. We weren't just hip hop artists, I mean
R and B artists. We were hip pop and R
and B artists. So yeah, the mind frame was we
started that whole trend. It's like the way music sounds now.
One twelve had a lot to do with that because
no one can really give us a group that did
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it the way that we did it before one twelve,
Like as far as singing over hip hop beats and
stuff like that, Like you I challenged in but find
me a group that did it, because back then in
the day, what you had the A side and you
had the B side right, and then on the B side,
so the records, right, they had the records, you had
the uptempo records where they were singing, but they were
always all that singing over uptempo beats and stuff. It
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was like it was confusing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Puff.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
One one thing that Puff told us.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Was like when you're in the club, when you when
you're recording a record, right, sing the song as if
you're in the club drinking and you're trying to holler
at the girl.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You ain't gonna be in this girl talking about yeah
you gonna go. I want to be with you else,
you know what I mean. It's gonna be something smoothing.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
So when we wrote records, when we wrote the uptimbo
records and then Slim having the voice being able to
just lay on the tracks the way that we did,
like that started an hold ever where people now like
when you hear R and B, it has a hip
hop element to.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
It as well. It's not just R and B. It's
a hip hop element isn't that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
A bad boy formula or wasn't that Diddy? Like I
feel like Diddy did that like with Jodysie. I feel
like he did that with Mary j Blige, like he
did that with Total.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I'll give you Mary j Blige because yeah, she she helped,
uh because we always say that Mary is between Mary
and one twelve, but one twelve really and then yeah, puff,
did you know he did contribute because we came in
with just we are and B we aren't b bro, like,
forget all that stuff man like hip hop that's gonna
cheapen our sound and all this sudden stuff. And he's
had the vision was like, Yo, this is what's gonna
separate y'all from the Drew Hills, from the Jaggets, from
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the you know, the Ajets and all these other groups
that were coming out at the same time.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
And you know what that that didn't make perfect sense
right instead of all I would love a nigga to
come up to me and class, let.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Me tell you what exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
That's exactly what it was, because nine times out of
ten ain't gonna be able to sing.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So he's like, bro, all of that in my ear,
like I don't want to hear all that, you know,
so that.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You agree with Mike's assessment. Not to start any arguments here,
but the case, do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, I mean it was, it was part of it.
Speaker 13 (10:13):
I mean that during that era, but that's when hip
hop and R and B was Yeah, yeah, pretty much, and.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I feel like bad Boy was at the forefront of.
Speaker 10 (10:20):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, because Total was hip hop with that
touch of R and B. R and B group, but
I think we were more base hip hop with the
touch of R and B, and Mary definitely was the
pioneer of that sound.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
And Total, you guys are some of the I'm sorry,
go ahead shout out.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
To No no no.
Speaker 10 (10:36):
I was just gonna say when he when Puff did
the remixes with Jodasy, because Jodasy was just.
Speaker 11 (10:40):
The R and B and then he brought the hip
hop elementary.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ghost facing Ray Kuon on the Freaking You remix, you know,
like I can't even I don't want to hear can't
you see without Biggie part? Like I hate hated when
some of the urban AC stations back in the day
didn't play Raptors, just played the R and B I hated,
I was, I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I would go before record.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, because they didn't want you didn't play played.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So how did y'all sign to Puff? When did y'all
meet Puffing? Puff is like, this is the group that
I want.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
How did that start? Because the first time.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
We met Puffy through we met these guys that introduced
us to Kathy. Kathy was from Mount Vernon, Kathy, Kathy Duke,
She's how we met Puff. Puff is. What's her son's
what is her son's godfather? He's the little baby, the
little first boy baby put closer.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
So that's how we met him.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
Can I can I bring Can I bring them in?
So Kathy one day when when we were introduced to Kathy,
Kathy was like, I would love to represent y'all manage all.
So we ride and ride and Kathy was like, y'all
gotta always be ready, always be ready.
Speaker 11 (12:00):
So she pulls up, she goes upstairs. She's like, I'll
be right back.
Speaker 10 (12:02):
She comes downstairs and she was like, Okay, I need
y'all to make up a song and put Puffy's name
in it. At the time, Puffy's Puffy, He's actually in
the studio with Joe Tosy doing the remix. So he
comes downstairs, he introduces himself and then we just start singing,
but we're performing.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
We had him all backed up against the wall and
he was.
Speaker 11 (12:22):
At us like yeah, his mouth open. He was like,
how are you?
Speaker 10 (12:27):
He asked our ages came upstairs. We watched him, you know,
direct Jo Tosy, and then he asked us how well
did we get along in the studio, like if we
had an argument, did we get back in the studio?
Speaker 11 (12:39):
And we were like yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:41):
So he was like okay. So he was like, yo, y'all, y'all,
y'all sound really good.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
He was like, yo, I just.
Speaker 10 (12:46):
Encourage y'all to keep doing what y'all doing, you know,
don't let nobody break y'all. Up two o'clock that morning,
he called Kathy. He was like, don't take them nowhere
on the signum.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What was the first song that y'all did? What was
the first one y'all recorded?
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Well, we recorded songs that never went anywhere because we
were just trying to find our sound. But can't you
no Juicy.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Juicy Juicy was the first record I did and I
was working with Biggie Amazing. You gotta break it down,
both songs, Juicy and the Can't you.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
See The story behind how we wind up recording Juicy
is like Big was like our little big brother.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
Like we were close with Big, so.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
We would frequently be in New York hanging out in
the studio with him. So he called this one day.
He was like, come to the city we was in.
He was in the studio. So we went to the
studio and he was playing Juicy. Keisha started humming something.
Big he was like, y'all should go in there and
put that down. So he, you know, just gave us
some words or whatever, and we went in there and
we put it down, and Puff had us come back
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the next day and do the one More Chance songs.
So that's how it started. Juicy, Yeah, original one more Chance,
the one on the album is different from the.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
With the voicemail in the front.
Speaker 11 (14:00):
Need to work on that Juicy.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
It says it now when you google it. But I
assume that it wasn't necessarily supposed to have been a
feature for me because it was his first single and
stuff like that.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
So yeah, and I think, you know, we were new.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
I don't think it was something that just happened, like
we were in the studio and we got in trouble.
It was our maners like, don't do that no more.
But I just think they didn't plan for it to
be Biggie's first album to have a feature on it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Did y'all get writing cres for it? No?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
No, because Big wrote it right.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I didn't know y'all was on Juicy Alom and we
know those records more chance Dirty version is like one
of my favorite records.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Wow, and can't you see why can't you see it
come together?
Speaker 10 (14:44):
We just came to the studio and the track was
playing and we were like, oh snap.
Speaker 11 (14:50):
And then Terry Robinson Terry what was the group that
Terry was?
Speaker 7 (14:55):
The girls?
Speaker 10 (14:55):
Terry Robinson's so incredible as far as songwriting, and she came.
She was like, this is this is what it is? Okay,
verse I like that verse. She liked that verse, like
that verse. We went recorded it and it was what
it was it. No, No, Big wasn't on it.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
He was a studio.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
He was in the studio and then he came in
and laid it down. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (15:19):
I was gonna ask when you say we got to
work on it, you can go back and make sure
that you guys are credited on the song now, even
though like it's been listed ways to certain how that.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Works because I think I think Pam was able to
do that with Hypnotized.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
So and then we get our sounded, we get we
can performance royalties for it, like our sound Exchange and
stuff like that, and it has gotten updated. We had
it updated on the internet. So now if you look
it up, it does say feature in total. But it
just didn't go out like that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, crazy a lot.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
Of y'all, can't, you know.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
I just I just never like realized that it didn't
say featuring. Right, your voice is definitely y'all.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Know, y'all know the question did y'all enjoy the moment
of the nineties, Because when I look at y'all, it's
like y'all are like mythical figures to me, right, Like
you know what I'm saying, because y'all defined not just
the genre, but like y'all would have soundtrackted our lives.
Did y'all enjoy the moment? Yes?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Yeah, when they said boy was in the building road, it.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Was when we were on a high. I mean, you
couldn't ask for a better label. You know, and a
place to be and especially like aspiring artists when this
is something that you dream of doing to land on
bad Boy and I do. We remember the time clearly
when bad Boy was everywhere. It was nothing to just
walk in the club or walk anywhere and just get.
Speaker 11 (16:56):
That love, admiration and respect.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Like it was whether they world wearing black leather, you know,
we wearing you know, the head bands that everybody's doing
like we were.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
It was. It was deeper than the music, Yeah, it was.
It was. It was a It was a.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Movement and we loved each other, yeah, and each other.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
A lot of ways.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
How the record got together, like like we tell the
story of how we we were on Big. Like if
you look at listen to Life After Death, right one,
twelve is all like Big he shouts us out throughout
the whole album. That's because we were in the studio
with him. Like so Daddy's house had the Neve, the
S s L and the in the pre production room.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Right, so twelve is in the pre production room.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Junior Mafia, Big is all in the neve room. Seeds
come out and says yo, big one child. So we
go in there. From here up we smoked, right, so
we can't see where nobody's interest.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So we filled around.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
So Big is just sitting there right, and and we
use this all that we he used the word genius.
We throw the word genius out a lot, but this
is true definition of genius.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
So we're walking in Big Cus. He said, Yo, what up?
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
He says, nothing else, right, So everybody else, Junior Mafia,
they're moving around, everybody's laughing, everybody's smoking, having a good time,
everybody's drinking.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You know, twelve we.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Baked out our minds because we don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
We baked right.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So around two three hours later, Big it's like, yo,
I'm ready, and the engineers like ready for what? So
dude gets up going to the booth and does I
got a story to tell? One twelve CD blast Because
we were in the room with us, he's listening to
everybody's story. He's listening to Junior Mafia tell that story,
one twelve tell that story. And then he goes in
that doesn't write anything down, Now that's what the genius.
(18:43):
Like we saw that firsthand. Like this dude never wrote
anything him and faith faith, like Faith doesn't write anything
down either. Like, so, Faith don't Faith don't write down there, Jesus, Yeah,
Faith don't write anything down.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
We watched her, Dude, you abandoned me. Love don't live
where we was at a what's the other studio?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (19:01):
I forget what it's uh hit factory he was, she
was a hit factory.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Well doing that record with Mary J.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Blige and she she just went in there and just
did the whole thing without like yo, with the paper.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
She don't need no paper or market and not like.
Speaker 14 (19:17):
Just sing it from life.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Big and Faith to the only two I've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I got a story to tell, just straight came to
him and he went at hearing story.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
He's watching everybody tell their story like and heated.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Bro kind of say the hell out of that record?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Him and j Z the only people that do that.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Oh yeah, right down there.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
That is a gift for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But back in the day, it's like R and B
used to celebrate like love and heartbreak. But now like
it feels transactional. What do you think made vulnerability cool
back then?
Speaker 12 (19:54):
Well, you know, I just think that it was a time.
It was just a time period where you know, where
everything was going in the world. We used music as
our getaway. It was our medicine. You know what I'm saying.
Anybody remember the nineties when we came to the club,
and we came anywhere. Everybody came to party, to dance.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (20:13):
You know, now you're going you go into places. I
don't know how it is too much here in New
York as much, but I know in Atlanta everybody's staring
at each other everywhere there on the phone, you know,
and it's like it's a different type of a feel.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
So you know, so.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It's homecoming if it's homecoming, and okay, that's true, but
regular clubs.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
But even when you say that, you know, the alumni
us cranking it up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So you know, yeah, back.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Then R and B was kind of it was more hyperbolic,
you know what I mean. It was.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It was, you know, good damn will. We're not climbing,
no highest mountain, swimming, no deeper sea, but we gave
you we're not doing all of that, but we gave
you the impression we sung it and maybe believe that
that that was possible. Anything was possible in there. And nowadays, man,
it's just it's different.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
The music is too, and we came from good music
from my parents.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's what I was about to say.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
I think the other thing that did it was hip
hop became more hyperbolic.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Definitely a good word for that.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
But when it merged with R and B so much,
it became not cool to have feelings. But I guess
that's how people felt. And then the strip cup club
culture got involved. When it's everything is that And I
always say that, like with everything that's going on in
the world and people's lives, you gotta be able to
sing about something more than threesomes in the strip clubs,
something else going on, what I'm saying, And nobody really
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does that. Well, I won't say nobody, but a lot
of the music doesn't have that no more. They don't
have the feelings, that don't have the vulnerability. Like you said,
it's all trying to.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Be rappers, basically, all the things trying to be.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And a lot of that technology so.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Crazy because even the rappers back then, most of the
rappers back then, we loved him because they were vulnerable.
You love Pot because he was vulnerable, You love Big
he was vulnerab Kanye because.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
He was because vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
You can't be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You were so vulnerable.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
At the end of I Think It's Missing You, you
said I can't sing no more.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I was fighting for my life, for my life singing
that song.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
And I was all day listen. So when you said
I can't sing the more, you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Really couldn't or he was no, I was sick. You
were yeah.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
And when I got there, what happened was I went
to La on Monday to do Missing You. We're supposed
to do it on Tuesday. I don't know what happened.
My voice went out, so I spent all day Tuesday
Wednesday trying to get it back, and Thursday it came back.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So what did I do. I went hanging out with
Jah and so.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
I went to the club and then that night we
did living it up. Then it left again the next
day because I was out all night. So it got
to Friday. It was like, we don't do it today,
we can't do it. So I went in there. I
was drinking stuff all day, wouldn't come back. Got to
his studios like he can't sing or talk, so he's like,
can you try right, I'm like all right, So I
went there once he said keep you do it one
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more time. And I got to the end and I
felt it going. I'm like, and then I said, I
can't sing nobody want to say it, so I sang
it that. I'm like, I'm knocking on the glass and I.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Know that that was it.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Went, and I'm knocking the mind.
Speaker 13 (23:25):
That's why they sing nothing else. I came out and
tapped them on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I'm like, and that was I just.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Literally thought, you missed her so much that you can't now.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I was fighting for my life and then what crazy
thing about that?
Speaker 13 (23:37):
I got nominated for Grammy.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But that's the craziest part. They nominated for Grammys for
both them songs Amazing, which was crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I was fighting that night.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
How do how do y'all balance egos? You know? You know,
when you're dealing with three legendary acts who all had
their individual moment, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Gratitude, it's it's a respect level, you know what I mean.
It's like because I'm I'm actually fans. Yeah, actually I
love that, And I know it sounds cliche with it,
but it's the truth. And you know, we we so
often we don't tell the truth, you know, we're getting
this type or form or whatever, but we are genuinely
like total was our first pick to be on this
(24:22):
Room one twelve tour. Case was our first pick to
be on this because in Case his catalog, we just
spoke about his catalog ridiculous, total, ridiculous, one twelve ridiculous,
And we wanted to bring back that nineties nostalgia, you know,
and just bring back that whole era of I knew
where I was when I heard only You for the
first time. You know, I knew where I was when
I heard Cupid, when I heard I'm Missing You, and
(24:43):
when I heard can't you see for the first time,
Like I remember where I was when I heard these was.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
To be where I was, you know.
Speaker 13 (24:54):
I think that ego is healthy on a tour, especially
like this, because you have to if you use it
the right way. Like for me, it's like, Okay, I'm
gonna try to kill everybody. They're gonna feel the same,
and then the fans the one that win, as opposed
to people who just go up there and don't care,
like I just got to.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
We come from that, you got you got come from that, right,
We come from that came our tour and were like, yeah, totally.
When twelve just killed, y'all got Okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
How you gotta do it. And that's that's the because
the only people that win is the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was there ever a low time for y'all?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Because I feel like my daughter's twenty four and she
loves nineties music more than anything.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
R It's probably because dad plays it in the house.
Mom and Dad played in the house. But I just
I feel like, was there a low time?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And then I feel like nineties just came back and
is stronger than even this year is like.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
This decade's music. Was it ever a low time for y'all?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, Yeah, it definitely was.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I think for us, the resurgence of the nineties, you know,
was was something that was what we appreciated more than anything,
and that happened about what maybe almost like six seven
years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It was like what the pandemic around that you.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
Didn't know when you didn't know what the state of
music and how the industry and how we were going
to perform was going to be. Remember, everybody started experimenting
with the whole you know, taping, you know, and then video.
It was just, yeah, I thought we were going to
just it's going to be that you know, so so
(26:23):
much gratitude now to you know what I mean, see
it for where it is, and and we feel like
it's a blessing that of all the errors they chose
to pick, they picked the nineties, you know what I'm saying,
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I would want to go back, just I really want
to experience it in New.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
York, like left at Me.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
I think that one time you left at Me. I
just feel like the time that you guys were like
like the top, it was such a good time here.
It doesn't seem real, like when we hear the stories
or like I y'all talk about just walking in the studio,
Big Biggie's just there and like, you know, I can't
imagine I'm young and just being like on top.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yeah, like in that time, but.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
You're working so hard that you don't even realize it,
you know what I mean, Like you don't even realize
what it took us to step away from it, you know.
And and okay, we can use it as our downtime,
you know, and say that that was the time for
us to go back and look at it and say, man,
we we did more than just seeing you know, we
contributed to a culture like we we are part of history.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Culture.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, so that was amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
It's looking at it now being older, like you're looking
at it now because my kids now they're they're going
back and they googling like dad, y'all, y'all the pieces
of the green the video. My kid, no, because I
don't go around I don't. I don't go around here looking, you.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Know, I don't. I don't do that.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
You know, like they just they they grew up as
normal as I I hoped I could because I could
teach them to be because it's such a mental strain
that the industry takes.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Like it gives, but.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
It also takes. One of the things is, you know,
the lack of you know, the mental health that comes along.
You know what I'm saying with that, because you're you're
inundated with all of this. You know, you have to
be perfect every time you see you're out, you all,
your face has always got to be right, your clothes
gotta always be right.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Or man, they don't fell off, bro Like I just
came from the jail, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But I think the cameras up the camera messed it
up because when like, the reason I.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Asked if he was out is I would see everybody
out right.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I was a kid growing up, so I would go
to grass Tom and see y'all one hundred twenty fifth
stri I would go to the tunnel and see y'all
in the tunnel and different things. And there was no
VIP area. That's what it was, and it gave you
a connection with the artist. But there was no phone,
so it was no I'm taking a picture.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It was no.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean, the only thing that you would.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Possibly do if you want, and nobody want to look corny,
but you might ask for an order, but nobody wanted
to come to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Club and do that. So it gave you at the moment,
and I feel like people are not enjoying the moment
to the micro and everybody.
Speaker 13 (29:09):
Had I hate when you come out on stage and
everybody got a phone. I'm like, it's happening right here
in front of you, and then for me anyway, I
don't think that because I think part of when you
perform is the it's how it sounds, is how it looks,
but it's the energy in the room and you can
never if you go back and watch that, you're not
going to get that energy. The energy is right there
in front of you. Like for me, I would maybe
take a picture, quick video, then I would put my
(29:31):
phone down. I went to see Stevie Wonder. I ain't
even take a picture. I sat there because there's an
energy that goes with it. I think a lot of
people miss that because you're like this and I'm like, yo,
it's right in front of you. If you put the
phone down, it's happening right there. Because you got to
watch the phone to see if you got the singing
off key.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And so I'm like, am I'm messing up? When I
see the videos, I'm like you, no, that's.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
I'm like, hold on, did I just ain't No way,
I just did that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I did that.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
I'm like, man, I'm like, I've never went live ever,
went live on Instagram and I wasn't expecting this. Beyonce
came out and she just started speaking, I'm all live.
I'm like, I'm on live, y'all as b and she
started speaking and I started crying. I was not expecting.
I was like, Okay, Gods, I gotta go. Literally, I
might have been filming for like ten seconds. You gotta
(30:22):
be in a moment because it's an experience, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Watching it is, No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I wanted to ask you, Kim, what was your household
like growing up? Because I got four daughters, and you know,
a couple of them express wanting to be in the arts.
You and your sister Vita, y'all actually made it happen
with your parents pushing y'all to both be in the industry.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
What was no.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
God's plan? Vita was always a lot more outgoing than me,
so it wasn't surprising for me that she got into it. No,
like my mama had us in church. You know, my
mom was what's a struggle for her? So like I know,
for me, all I wanted to do was just be successful.
(31:05):
I wind up singing. We sung in the choir and
stuff like that. But I wind up being in a
group and entertaining the industry through Keisha. When we became friends,
she heard me sing, but it was just something that
we just always did. My mom sung back up for Ritha.
Franklin grew up in that era, but it was pretty
normal at home.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Like I really honestly didn't.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Have time to dream because I was so busy trying
to figure out, Okay, how I'm gonna help my mom
like I needed to work, So you know that was
my plan as soon as I was old enough. So Nope,
she didn't push us. She supported us like she was
our number one fan, but she didn't push us to
be into it being an Missy Elliott. Oh, Missy tovey
(31:51):
that she had a rap voice and be don't stop rapping.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So this is just when y'all did What About Us?
So I was it around this time?
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Well, yeah, like Missy, we had met Missy before she
started writing What About Us and stuff like cause, like
you said, everybody kind of hung around each other.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So Missy we became for a while too.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
We became Missy and I was really close at one
time and she was out my house at Jersey and
her Vita talking and she told Vito you should rap
Beta started rapping.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Wow, got a story for that too. So Missy used
to hang out at Daddy's house all the time. Yeah,
and so she was like, yo, puff, I want to
get on this record there. So we wrote a record
for Geena Thompson. We wrote that right Missy came in.
She was like, yo, I need to get on this jone,
I need to get on it. And then that's the
first time you heard her do the.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
The record. That was the first time that you know,
she was in Sister.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
She was in the Girl Sister at that point, but
she had came up and she was like, Yo, I
need to get on one of these recordss record one
twelve them I'm writing.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So she was just all the time.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
She was just in Daddy's house, man, And that was
the energy that was around bad boys, Like we were
just all in each other's studio, like hey might come
in here and seeing this real quick Faith, you know,
come in and seeing this record Like a lot of
times it wasn't you know, just it was by design.
It was really just being in the room at the
right place at the right time, you know, and just
and that's making them have his.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Faith wrote the song that got me signed to Wow Wow,
Crazy Wow.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
It was all called Don't Be Afraid and Misaid, who
was managing me at the time, got Faith to write it.
Which there's a hilarious story for that though. We had
to me and my homeboy KB shout out to Murray.
We went to you know, you had to get the
actual CD. So we had a rental car. We drive
to Brooklyn to meet Faith at that crib. She plays
it for me. I take the CD. Big comes in.
(33:38):
He don't know us. It's ninety four, so he like.
She's like, yeah, this case, he's an artist, blah blah blah.
He's looking.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So we leave.
Speaker 13 (33:47):
We go outside the riner. Car won't start. They leave
and come back. We're still sitting there because we're trying
to call somebody to come. Were sitting outside the crib
for like maybe three and a half hours. I'm like,
we look suspect as hell. It's a were sitting there.
I'm like, yo, if I was there, I start shooting.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I hope they don't. So we sitting there.
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Finally we leave, and then when they had it was
a radio station that I was. I was hosting. They
was I was coming out. Big was coming in and
we laughed about it, but he remembered that. I'm like, Yo,
this looks crazy to call with. And I'm like, yeah,
we're sitting across from his crib. Now it's dark and
he's two strangers that was just in the crib. I'm like, yeah,
this is crazy. Then it was cell phone we were
(34:30):
going to the The was bly no cell phones.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
This was in ninety four.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Write a lot for Total. I heard he used to
write a lot for Total. No, that's not true, that's
not true.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
That's I know.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
Yes, I just posted the other day and I wrote
tell me what you want? Really, I mean, I said,
tell me what you want?
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Tell me.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
So that's when Omar and I were just friends and
he would drive out to Jersey and we would just
listen to music free style, out of music.
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I played him. I was like, this is a song
that they attracted. They just gave us. We just started freestyling,
took the puff. He was like, yo, this is crazy.
We played it. Faith came in, Faith pinned some more.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's made that album most people don't know was a rapper,
adult rapper from course, a dancer and then dancing a rapper.
Speaker 11 (35:19):
Yeah, a singer.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I didn't know the singer part.
Speaker 15 (35:22):
Oh yeah, I can't sing vision.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
They were I think I want to say death Jam.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Really yeah, they were like signed to death Jam and really.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Sing yeah thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:48):
Yeah, but I remember, I remember he was in it
before they sign.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I want to asked she and Keemea back in the day,
what made y'all decide to go up to the radio
station and press. Wendy Williams like, what did she say
to y'all that that caused y'all said, you know we got.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
To go see her there?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, hell no, wait before my time? How the nineties?
Speaker 16 (36:17):
Right, yeah, I think yeah, the window when it was
in the window, she just you know, and she was
playing with our money.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
She just was disrespectful.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
Yeah, and we had already sent the warning and then
she just kept saying like first Wendy was just like, oh,
we got something.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
And then we came up. We came up to the
radio station. We sang.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
She was like, oh we sang a cappella. She was like, oh,
y'all can sing. And it was that it was just like, oh,
that's your jersey, and I hear that they can't pay
rent and they can't pay their rent and stuff, and
we were like, you know what, enough is enough because
at that time, that's all she was doing. It's like, listen,
you know, when we get these optunities as black artists,
we gotta uplift them and talk about your opporctivity that
(37:05):
they do right instead of you give a moment a
blitz of something that they did positive and then something
that happened negative you're playing that all day.
Speaker 11 (37:14):
So we were just like, enough is enough. K was like,
can we go up there?
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Because I didn't you know, I know, politically we would
have been in trouble for we just went up there.
So we asked permission and he didn't say.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
He was like, go ahead, was like, what is that
that you had to say? And she was like no, no, no,
talk that stuff right now. And then her her husband
at the time security, he had said something to our
security like come on, man, come on, and she ran
to the car. She got in the car in the
middle finger and then we never heard no more from her.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
She just tells the story. You say, y'all sent her
a warner was you all want to sit the fish?
Speaker 13 (37:56):
No, I don't really want you to. Boss said that
dead fish in the male.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, somebody said that sleeps with the fishes.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Yet he said that. She said that. I was Boston
messing piece to Boss.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Around that time.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It happened around the time when I just signed and
had just met her. Shout out there too. She passed
a few years ago. But yeah, I didn't even know
about that, Wendy.
Speaker 13 (38:26):
You used to I can't say nothing about Wendy because
she would find out stuff about me, but she never
she would call me and be like, look this was
I'm hearing and she would send me the faxes. I
don't know why she looked out for me. I'm glad
she did because some of it some of it was
dead No, not a crush.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
On me, right, But the reason I missed that was
because y'all was able to pull up on people. Now,
people just be in the basement behind the computers talking.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
That's the worst Internet.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I gotta go, guys. Damn, I don't know why
they said.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
All right, real quick? All right, I went two more questions.
Did y'all like Tianna Taylor?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (39:09):
How you want it?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Right?
Speaker 7 (39:10):
Because she's sampled? Tell me y'all like that?
Speaker 9 (39:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
I love that? Okay, perfect and k King Holmes is
on it as well.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
But yeah, I thought that was that was about that
took back you know what I'm saying, Like, I thought that.
Speaker 11 (39:27):
Was dope, stay tuned saying something with that.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Okay, at.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Case, yo, the best man I can be now with
all those egos you got, Jim tyres r o in yourself,
how did that studio session go?
Speaker 7 (39:47):
I felt like it.
Speaker 13 (39:49):
Was cool, but I'm gonna tell you it probably would
have not been as cool. But it's Jimmy, Jimmy, Terry Lewis,
so you're gonna kind of act right even if you
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Okay, So it's them.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Did y'all record at once?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Like we all flew in him card at the same time. Yo,
I was the last one.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I got there because my flight got delayed, but yeah,
we was all there. Actually, I was having a party
at Jimmy's a platinum party at night that I missed
because I had to go up there and do that.
But it was cool because it's Jam and Lewis, Like,
you ain't gonna get in there, and I asked with them.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
That was the funniest music video I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I'll be seeing the memes now.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Y'all was going in soho who did the most?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't know. I was worried about me at the
talking about in the video.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Shoot, who do you feel did the most?
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Back then?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Yeah, but who do you think did the most? Res
definitely did the most.
Speaker 13 (40:39):
I think he probably out of r L in Terre's Okay,
because I seen the mean recent he was like, yo,
Terry's threw the hat and face.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm like, I never noticed that. I think that was
a I think he was throwing it and he walked.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I was high.
Speaker 13 (40:54):
I was high, and I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah,
I'm not doing all that. Hit the blood again.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I like, I'm not. Yes, We're my glasses.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
That's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
But I just always wanted to ask one of y'all
who did the most, because the most was done?
Speaker 13 (41:06):
Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now that it
wasn't No Jamie lewis there, so I already knew that
was gonna be different from the session.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, that was gonna be a thing.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
Yeah, So that's what I wanted to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, when the talk kicks off, what do you want
fans to feel when they see all of y'all on stage?
Speaker 5 (41:23):
That nostalgia?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Man, we want, we want, we want how we're talking
about the nineties and and just bringing back that area
we won't we want with so much BS that's going
on in the world, that we want to be what
we set out to be, which is a refuge for
all that BS.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You know that's going on in the in the real world.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
So if we can give you an hour, an hour
and a half, three hours of just being able to
separate yourself from bills and these bad ass kids, hours
just for a little while. Like that's that's what we're
you know, that's our mission. You know, we want we
want to feel the nostalgia. I want to go back
and listen to all the records that because we're in
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the you know, rehearsal now and in total show is amazing, tough.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
So it was one twelve, crazy high energy when everybody
have a good time to have you.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Know, just have a good time, just reminisce.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Yeah, November thirteenth, we will be in Brooklyn was the
King Stairs King.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yeah, we'll Stafford, Connecticut on the twelve twelve.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So many questions, you got to know, we appreciate it.
I just gotta ask one. Mo'm sorry, no one else.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
Beat.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Were y'all confused when you first heard that beat?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, because there was snares all over that place.
Speaker 11 (42:39):
We did not know what was going to be put
over it?
Speaker 10 (42:43):
Okay, because that was Terry once again Terry Robinson.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
It's like, how are you going to write.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Over the what I said?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I heard?
Speaker 10 (42:51):
It went crazy. It's one of my favorites. Hard If
we could just get all of those acts on on
the stage one day, we're gonna stay hopeful.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah yeah, wow, Bran, it's crazy. Alright.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Well, thank you guys for joining us. One twelve tons,
get them, take it, and it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Good Morning, hold every.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Day a week ago.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Click your glass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Finish y'all. Dump
Every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Finish, y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody is the j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club law Ros here as well.
We got some special guests in the Bountain. Come on
now we have one twelve, we have total and we
have Case. Welcome, Welcome, welcome, We welcome man.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And this is not a random link up y'all going
on tour together?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
This is the one.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Twelve room one twelve thirtieth anniversary tour. We're so excited
about our brother Case and our sister's total with us.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
So you know, have a good time. Man.
Speaker 6 (00:41):
First first shows win November health Yeah, November twelve. Staff
for Connecticut Brooklyn is November thirteenth.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So there's a members missing. So are the members going
to be on tour or this is the tour?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, okay, this is okay, okay, yeah, nice.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
My other members.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
By yourself, we're made.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now the right time for all of y'all to come
together for this tour.
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Oh that's a great question, bro. Honestly managed it. It
just felt right it being thirty years, you know, us
being in the game. So it just it just makes
sense for us to just get out there and just
show the fans that we really appreciate what they've been doing,
you know, been rocking out with us for the last
thirty years man, So you know, we're really excited about it. Man,
Like we're managed totally and one twelve are managed by
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the same you know crew.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
So of course that was an easy, you know decision
to make with that.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
And then in case you know, being you know bro, Yeah,
that's the bro, you know what I mean, and all
of us having that catalog is definitely we wanted to
bring back that ninety nostalgia you feel and all.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Y'all still sing thank you.
Speaker 8 (01:47):
That's you know, not everybody doing it, but y'all can
still sing.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
That's important. Good, yes, man.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So were you guys on the road already on tour
before or you you have to break from family obligations
and be like, I'm gonna need to take some time
out and get on tour.
Speaker 9 (01:59):
We Keisha and I were on.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
We just started back a year ago.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
We came back out. We did the R and B
tour part of that. Yeah, we were home. We came
my family and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
How difficult was that getting back on the road, getting
back on dancing, getting back on How difficult was that?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It really it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (02:18):
It really wasn't difficult. It's like, you know, like riding bike.
Once you did it, you done. So it's just you know,
my kids are older, Keisha still has a high school child.
But so it wasn't hard at all. They're very supportive,
you know. They actually was like, go do it.
Speaker 10 (02:32):
By yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (02:37):
Rehearsals was dope. We had to you know, work it
out a little bit. But like Keema said, it's like
riding a bike. Once you get started.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
My vibe is very authentic.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So it's you know, but people went through dancing from
the old videos. If you ain't hitting them them.
Speaker 9 (02:52):
Dancing, we danced and we got our box.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
How did y'all find that balance back in the day
between being like sexy was strong, was still street with it, Like,
how did y'all find that balance?
Speaker 9 (03:07):
It was just natural, like that's just who we are
growing up Jersey like.
Speaker 10 (03:12):
How we were, Yeah, and that's what made us. To me,
that's what made us who we were. Total the name
started out as total opposites because we were all individuals
in our own way, you know. So it was it
wasn't like you had to buy the brand.
Speaker 11 (03:27):
We came as we were.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yep. How was the bad Boy ever back then?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Growing up?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Right, because there was a time nineties two thousand it
was nothing but bad Boy in the radio, nothing but
bad Boy on the streets, mixtapes to clubs. How was
that era where just it felt like anything y'all did hit.
Speaker 11 (03:46):
It was, it's some beautiful things.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
It was fun, it was. That's what we learned a
lot of our grind from that whole era.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Grinding just out there.
Speaker 11 (03:56):
It was going to the time like it was just fun.
It was just like a.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Big yep, yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Us coming from Atlanta. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (04:06):
It like it was a different it was like a
different culture. So you know, you know, you can imagine
how that felt.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
He's coming.
Speaker 12 (04:11):
I know, he's from the you know what I'm saying.
So you're coming to New York culture culture, you know.
So you know, but but it was so much fun
because it was just like, okay, clubs smaller, but you
know what i mean. But it was like in your face,
so you know what I'm saying. So, but we learned
a lot musically here.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
M hmm.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What about you for you case now, you weren't on
bad Boy, You're on Death Jam Jam. You a songwriter,
you had you have the I always say, you have
that one wedding song that you will get paid.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For for the rest of your life. Happily ever after, Like.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was that was coming up for you in that
and during that time because at that time you were
death Jam. Death Jam was heavy pop, and you was
probably one of the only R and B singers at
the time.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I mean it was.
Speaker 13 (04:54):
It was cool for me, except for the only problem
that they was learning on the fly how to do
R and B and so I caught up in that sometime.
But yeah, I mean, you know how big they was then,
so that part was cool. It was just a lot
of times they had a lot of hip hop sensibilities
because it's hip hop labor. But one of the things
that helped me was that I was the last artist
that Russell personally signed to Death Jail, so I'd always
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call him and be like, yo, I can snitch.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
The record was gonna be so timeless, like touch me,
tease me happily ever ever.
Speaker 13 (05:24):
I didn't know, but that's what I always wanted to
do like I never wanted to make like trendy stuff.
I always wanted to make music like my parents would
listen to stuff from like twenty thirty years earlier, and
it would have me doing it. And so my thing
was like, if I could do that, then I'd be
happy and then everything else will fall in line.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You worked with a Mary Jay Beyond Foxy Brown, who else?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
There's a bunch of people ll ghost Face, ghost Face,
genuine Tyrie, genuine Tyr, Jam and Lewis.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What's a session that changed the way you saw yourself
as an artist?
Speaker 13 (05:56):
M probably Jam and Lewis because I was a huge
fan and I'm like, I'm sitting in room with Jimmy,
Jame and Terry Lewis and I'm like and they was like, well, yeah, Janet,
we're gonna have Janet comes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
She loves you.
Speaker 13 (06:08):
And I'm like wait, wait wait wait, I'm like wait
wait wait, got a call that Yeah, yeah, we don't
need to do that. I was just saying, I love
I don't have don't have a walk in here, because
that had have been different, But it was really that
one because I'm like sitting there, I've been listening to
him forever and I'm like, dag, I'm sitting here. Another
one was the first time I worked with Charlie Wilson.
I had wrote a song for him and I was
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a huge fan. And I'm sitting in the booth behind
him on the floor while he's doing his vocals and
I'm tripping out like this is really happening.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So it was a lot of different moments.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I felt like, def Jim didn't treat you like a
regular artist, right with total.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
In one twelve.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I would see them out in the club like bad
Boy would have him Mountain Death Jim artists, Deaf Gym
would have them mount I didn't see you Deaf Jim
put you out as much like that?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Was it because you didn't want.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
To go out or probably didn't know what to do
it because he was R and B.
Speaker 13 (06:57):
I think a lot of it. Yeah, First of all,
I hate going out, okay, So if I didn't have
to be there, listen, that's why you always be like yo,
you had a lot of stuff about you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I know how to be over here.
Speaker 13 (07:09):
So yeah, I mean I wasn't really big on going out,
or when I did, it'd be I'd be somewhere else
unless I had to be somewhere with them.
Speaker 14 (07:17):
Gotcha, did you guys? Well, Mike, I saw you say that.
You feel like, you know, you guys, first album. Without that,
you don't think that R and B would be as
prevalent or as worldwide as it is right now.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, because we felt like we contributed
a lot more than one twelve. You know, we walk
around with modesty on our shoulders and stuff, and I
know that that's you know, Huberts to say that while
you're talking about modesty, right, But yeah, we we always
walked around with this this mindset that, man, we'll.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Let our actions speak for themselves.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
But we would always challenge people like find us because
our niche in the industry was hip hop and R
and B. We weren't just hip hop artists, I mean
R and B artists. We were hip pop and R
and B artists. So yeah, the mind frame was we
started that whole trend. It's like the way music sounds now.
One twelve had a lot to do with that because
no one can really give us a group that did
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it the way that we did it before one twelve,
Like as far as singing over hip hop beats and
stuff like that, Like you I challenged in but find
me a group that did it, because back then in
the day, what you had the A side and you
had the B side right, and then on the B side,
so the records, right, they had the records, you had
the uptempo records where they were singing, but they were
always all that singing over uptempo beats and stuff. It
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was like it was confusing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Puff.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
One one thing that Puff told us.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Was like when you're in the club, when you when
you're recording a record, right, sing the song as if
you're in the club drinking and you're trying to holler
at the girl.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You ain't gonna be in this girl talking about yeah
you gonna go. I want to be with you else,
you know what I mean. It's gonna be something smoothing.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
So when we wrote records, when we wrote the uptimbo
records and then Slim having the voice being able to
just lay on the tracks the way that we did,
like that started an hold ever where people now like
when you hear R and B, it has a hip
hop element to.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
It as well. It's not just R and B. It's
a hip hop element isn't that.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
A bad boy formula or wasn't that Diddy? Like I
feel like Diddy did that like with Jodysie. I feel
like he did that with Mary j Blige, like he
did that with Total.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I'll give you that.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I'll give you Mary j Blige because yeah, she she helped,
uh because we always say that Mary is between Mary
and one twelve, but one twelve really and then yeah, puff,
did you know he did contribute because we came in
with just we are and B we aren't b bro, like,
forget all that stuff man like hip hop that's gonna
cheapen our sound and all this sudden stuff. And he's
had the vision was like, Yo, this is what's gonna
separate y'all from the Drew Hills, from the Jaggets, from
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the you know, the Ajets and all these other groups
that were coming out at the same time.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
And you know what that that didn't make perfect sense
right instead of all I would love a nigga to
come up to me and class, let.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Me tell you what exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
That's exactly what it was, because nine times out of
ten ain't gonna be able to sing.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
So he's like, bro, all of that in my ear,
like I don't want to hear all that, you know,
so that.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You agree with Mike's assessment. Not to start any arguments here,
but the case, do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, I mean it was, it was part of it.
Speaker 13 (10:13):
I mean that during that era, but that's when hip
hop and R and B was Yeah, yeah, pretty much, and.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I feel like bad Boy was at the forefront of.
Speaker 10 (10:20):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, because Total was hip hop with that
touch of R and B. R and B group, but
I think we were more base hip hop with the
touch of R and B, and Mary definitely was the
pioneer of that sound.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
And Total, you guys are some of the I'm sorry,
go ahead shout out.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
To No no no.
Speaker 10 (10:36):
I was just gonna say when he when Puff did
the remixes with Jodasy, because Jodasy was just.
Speaker 11 (10:40):
The R and B and then he brought the hip
hop elementary.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Ghost facing Ray Kuon on the Freaking You remix, you know,
like I can't even I don't want to hear can't
you see without Biggie part? Like I hate hated when
some of the urban AC stations back in the day
didn't play Raptors, just played the R and B I hated,
I was, I mean.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I would go before record.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, because they didn't want you didn't play played.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
So how did y'all sign to Puff? When did y'all
meet Puffing? Puff is like, this is the group that
I want.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
How did that start? Because the first time.
Speaker 9 (11:17):
We met Puffy through we met these guys that introduced
us to Kathy. Kathy was from Mount Vernon, Kathy, Kathy Duke,
She's how we met Puff. Puff is. What's her son's
what is her son's godfather? He's the little baby, the
little first boy baby put closer.
Speaker 11 (11:41):
So that's how we met him.
Speaker 10 (11:43):
Can I can I bring Can I bring them in?
So Kathy one day when when we were introduced to Kathy,
Kathy was like, I would love to represent y'all manage all.
So we ride and ride and Kathy was like, y'all
gotta always be ready, always be ready.
Speaker 11 (12:00):
So she pulls up, she goes upstairs. She's like, I'll
be right back.
Speaker 10 (12:02):
She comes downstairs and she was like, Okay, I need
y'all to make up a song and put Puffy's name
in it. At the time, Puffy's Puffy, He's actually in
the studio with Joe Tosy doing the remix. So he
comes downstairs, he introduces himself and then we just start singing,
but we're performing.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
We had him all backed up against the wall and
he was.
Speaker 11 (12:22):
At us like yeah, his mouth open. He was like,
how are you?
Speaker 10 (12:27):
He asked our ages came upstairs. We watched him, you know,
direct Jo Tosy, and then he asked us how well
did we get along in the studio, like if we
had an argument, did we get back in the studio?
Speaker 11 (12:39):
And we were like yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:41):
So he was like okay. So he was like, yo, y'all, y'all,
y'all sound really good.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
He was like, yo, I just.
Speaker 10 (12:46):
Encourage y'all to keep doing what y'all doing, you know,
don't let nobody break y'all. Up two o'clock that morning,
he called Kathy. He was like, don't take them nowhere
on the signum.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
What was the first song that y'all did? What was
the first one y'all recorded?
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Well, we recorded songs that never went anywhere because we
were just trying to find our sound. But can't you
no Juicy.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Juicy Juicy was the first record I did and I
was working with Biggie Amazing. You gotta break it down,
both songs, Juicy and the Can't you.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
See The story behind how we wind up recording Juicy
is like Big was like our little big brother.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
Like we were close with Big, so.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
We would frequently be in New York hanging out in
the studio with him. So he called this one day.
He was like, come to the city we was in.
He was in the studio. So we went to the
studio and he was playing Juicy. Keisha started humming something.
Big he was like, y'all should go in there and
put that down. So he, you know, just gave us
some words or whatever, and we went in there and
we put it down, and Puff had us come back
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the next day and do the one More Chance songs.
So that's how it started. Juicy, Yeah, original one more Chance,
the one on the album is different from the.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
With the voicemail in the front.
Speaker 11 (14:00):
Need to work on that Juicy.
Speaker 9 (14:02):
It says it now when you google it. But I
assume that it wasn't necessarily supposed to have been a
feature for me because it was his first single and
stuff like that.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
So yeah, and I think, you know, we were new.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
I don't think it was something that just happened, like
we were in the studio and we got in trouble.
It was our maners like, don't do that no more.
But I just think they didn't plan for it to
be Biggie's first album to have a feature on it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Did y'all get writing cres for it? No?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
No, because Big wrote it right.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I didn't know y'all was on Juicy Alom and we
know those records more chance Dirty version is like one
of my favorite records.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Wow, and can't you see why can't you see it
come together?
Speaker 10 (14:44):
We just came to the studio and the track was
playing and we were like, oh snap.
Speaker 11 (14:50):
And then Terry Robinson Terry what was the group that
Terry was?
Speaker 7 (14:55):
The girls?
Speaker 10 (14:55):
Terry Robinson's so incredible as far as songwriting, and she came.
She was like, this is this is what it is? Okay,
verse I like that verse. She liked that verse, like
that verse. We went recorded it and it was what
it was it. No, No, Big wasn't on it.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
He was a studio.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
He was in the studio and then he came in
and laid it down. It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (15:19):
I was gonna ask when you say we got to
work on it, you can go back and make sure
that you guys are credited on the song now, even
though like it's been listed ways to certain how that.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Works because I think I think Pam was able to
do that with Hypnotized.
Speaker 9 (15:35):
So and then we get our sounded, we get we
can performance royalties for it, like our sound Exchange and
stuff like that, and it has gotten updated. We had
it updated on the internet. So now if you look
it up, it does say feature in total. But it
just didn't go out like that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, crazy a lot.
Speaker 11 (15:53):
Of y'all, can't, you know.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
I just I just never like realized that it didn't
say featuring. Right, your voice is definitely y'all.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Know, y'all know the question did y'all enjoy the moment
of the nineties, Because when I look at y'all, it's
like y'all are like mythical figures to me, right, Like
you know what I'm saying, because y'all defined not just
the genre, but like y'all would have soundtrackted our lives.
Did y'all enjoy the moment? Yes?
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Yeah, when they said boy was in the building road, it.
Speaker 10 (16:35):
Was when we were on a high. I mean, you
couldn't ask for a better label. You know, and a
place to be and especially like aspiring artists when this
is something that you dream of doing to land on
bad Boy and I do. We remember the time clearly
when bad Boy was everywhere. It was nothing to just
walk in the club or walk anywhere and just get.
Speaker 11 (16:56):
That love, admiration and respect.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Like it was whether they world wearing black leather, you know,
we wearing you know, the head bands that everybody's doing
like we were.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
It was. It was deeper than the music, Yeah, it was.
It was. It was a It was a.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Movement and we loved each other, yeah, and each other.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
A lot of ways.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
How the record got together, like like we tell the
story of how we we were on Big. Like if
you look at listen to Life After Death, right one,
twelve is all like Big he shouts us out throughout
the whole album. That's because we were in the studio
with him. Like so Daddy's house had the Neve, the
S s L and the in the pre production room.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Right, so twelve is in the pre production room.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Junior Mafia, Big is all in the neve room. Seeds
come out and says yo, big one child. So we
go in there. From here up we smoked, right, so
we can't see where nobody's interest.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
So we filled around.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
So Big is just sitting there right, and and we
use this all that we he used the word genius.
We throw the word genius out a lot, but this
is true definition of genius.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
So we're walking in Big Cus. He said, Yo, what up?
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
He says, nothing else, right, So everybody else, Junior Mafia,
they're moving around, everybody's laughing, everybody's smoking, having a good time,
everybody's drinking.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
You know, twelve we.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Baked out our minds because we don't smoke.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
We baked right.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
So around two three hours later, Big it's like, yo,
I'm ready, and the engineers like ready for what? So
dude gets up going to the booth and does I
got a story to tell? One twelve CD blast Because
we were in the room with us, he's listening to
everybody's story. He's listening to Junior Mafia tell that story,
one twelve tell that story. And then he goes in
that doesn't write anything down, Now that's what the genius.
(18:43):
Like we saw that firsthand. Like this dude never wrote
anything him and faith faith, like Faith doesn't write anything
down either. Like, so, Faith don't Faith don't write down there, Jesus, Yeah,
Faith don't write anything down.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
We watched her, Dude, you abandoned me. Love don't live
where we was at a what's the other studio?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (19:01):
I forget what it's uh hit factory he was, she
was a hit factory.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Well doing that record with Mary J.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Blige and she she just went in there and just
did the whole thing without like yo, with the paper.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
She don't need no paper or market and not like.
Speaker 14 (19:17):
Just sing it from life.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Big and Faith to the only two I've ever seen.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
I got a story to tell, just straight came to
him and he went at hearing story.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
He's watching everybody tell their story like and heated.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Bro kind of say the hell out of that record?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Him and j Z the only people that do that.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Oh yeah, right down there.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
That is a gift for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But back in the day, it's like R and B
used to celebrate like love and heartbreak. But now like
it feels transactional. What do you think made vulnerability cool
back then?
Speaker 12 (19:54):
Well, you know, I just think that it was a time.
It was just a time period where you know, where
everything was going in the world. We used music as
our getaway. It was our medicine. You know what I'm saying.
Anybody remember the nineties when we came to the club,
and we came anywhere. Everybody came to party, to dance.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (20:13):
You know, now you're going you go into places. I
don't know how it is too much here in New
York as much, but I know in Atlanta everybody's staring
at each other everywhere there on the phone, you know,
and it's like it's a different type of a feel.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
So you know, so.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
It's homecoming if it's homecoming, and okay, that's true, but
regular clubs.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
But even when you say that, you know, the alumni
us cranking it up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So you know, yeah, back.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Then R and B was kind of it was more hyperbolic,
you know what I mean. It was.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It was, you know, good damn will. We're not climbing,
no highest mountain, swimming, no deeper sea, but we gave
you we're not doing all of that, but we gave
you the impression we sung it and maybe believe that
that that was possible. Anything was possible in there. And nowadays, man,
it's just it's different.
Speaker 11 (21:05):
The music is too, and we came from good music
from my parents.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
That's what I was about to say.
Speaker 13 (21:11):
I think the other thing that did it was hip
hop became more hyperbolic.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Definitely a good word for that.
Speaker 13 (21:19):
But when it merged with R and B so much,
it became not cool to have feelings. But I guess
that's how people felt. And then the strip cup club
culture got involved. When it's everything is that And I
always say that, like with everything that's going on in
the world and people's lives, you gotta be able to
sing about something more than threesomes in the strip clubs,
something else going on, what I'm saying, And nobody really
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does that. Well, I won't say nobody, but a lot
of the music doesn't have that no more. They don't
have the feelings, that don't have the vulnerability. Like you said,
it's all trying to.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Be rappers, basically, all the things trying to be.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And a lot of that technology so.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Crazy because even the rappers back then, most of the
rappers back then, we loved him because they were vulnerable.
You love Pot because he was vulnerable, You love Big
he was vulnerab Kanye because.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
He was because vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
You can't be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You were so vulnerable.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
At the end of I Think It's Missing You, you
said I can't sing no more.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I was fighting for my life, for my life singing
that song.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
And I was all day listen. So when you said
I can't sing the more, you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Really couldn't or he was no, I was sick. You
were yeah.
Speaker 13 (22:24):
And when I got there, what happened was I went
to La on Monday to do Missing You. We're supposed
to do it on Tuesday. I don't know what happened.
My voice went out, so I spent all day Tuesday
Wednesday trying to get it back, and Thursday it came back.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So what did I do. I went hanging out with
Jah and so.
Speaker 13 (22:42):
I went to the club and then that night we
did living it up. Then it left again the next
day because I was out all night. So it got
to Friday. It was like, we don't do it today,
we can't do it. So I went in there. I
was drinking stuff all day, wouldn't come back. Got to
his studios like he can't sing or talk, so he's like,
can you try right, I'm like all right, So I
went there once he said keep you do it one
(23:02):
more time. And I got to the end and I
felt it going. I'm like, and then I said, I
can't sing nobody want to say it, so I sang
it that. I'm like, I'm knocking on the glass and I.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Know that that was it.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Went, and I'm knocking the mind.
Speaker 13 (23:25):
That's why they sing nothing else. I came out and
tapped them on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I'm like, and that was I just.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Literally thought, you missed her so much that you can't now.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I was fighting for my life and then what crazy
thing about that?
Speaker 13 (23:37):
I got nominated for Grammy.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But that's the craziest part. They nominated for Grammys for
both them songs Amazing, which was crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
I was fighting that night.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
How do how do y'all balance egos? You know? You know,
when you're dealing with three legendary acts who all had
their individual moment, you know.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Gratitude, it's it's a respect level, you know what I mean.
It's like because I'm I'm actually fans. Yeah, actually I
love that, And I know it sounds cliche with it,
but it's the truth. And you know, we we so
often we don't tell the truth, you know, we're getting
this type or form or whatever, but we are genuinely
like total was our first pick to be on this
(24:22):
Room one twelve tour. Case was our first pick to
be on this because in Case his catalog, we just
spoke about his catalog ridiculous, total, ridiculous, one twelve ridiculous,
And we wanted to bring back that nineties nostalgia, you know,
and just bring back that whole era of I knew
where I was when I heard only You for the
first time. You know, I knew where I was when
I heard Cupid, when I heard I'm Missing You, and
(24:43):
when I heard can't you see for the first time,
Like I remember where I was when I heard these was.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
To be where I was, you know.
Speaker 13 (24:54):
I think that ego is healthy on a tour, especially
like this, because you have to if you use it
the right way. Like for me, it's like, Okay, I'm
gonna try to kill everybody. They're gonna feel the same,
and then the fans the one that win, as opposed
to people who just go up there and don't care,
like I just got to.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
We come from that, you got you got come from that, right,
We come from that came our tour and were like, yeah, totally.
When twelve just killed, y'all got Okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
How you gotta do it. And that's that's the because
the only people that win is the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Was there ever a low time for y'all?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Because I feel like my daughter's twenty four and she
loves nineties music more than anything.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
R It's probably because dad plays it in the house.
Mom and Dad played in the house. But I just
I feel like, was there a low time?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
And then I feel like nineties just came back and
is stronger than even this year is like.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
This decade's music. Was it ever a low time for y'all?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, Yeah, it definitely was.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I think for us, the resurgence of the nineties, you know,
was was something that was what we appreciated more than anything,
and that happened about what maybe almost like six seven
years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It was like what the pandemic around that you.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
Didn't know when you didn't know what the state of
music and how the industry and how we were going
to perform was going to be. Remember, everybody started experimenting
with the whole you know, taping, you know, and then video.
It was just, yeah, I thought we were going to
just it's going to be that you know, so so
(26:23):
much gratitude now to you know what I mean, see
it for where it is, and and we feel like
it's a blessing that of all the errors they chose
to pick, they picked the nineties, you know what I'm saying,
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I would want to go back, just I really want
to experience it in New.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
York, like left at Me.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
I think that one time you left at Me. I
just feel like the time that you guys were like
like the top, it was such a good time here.
It doesn't seem real, like when we hear the stories
or like I y'all talk about just walking in the studio,
Big Biggie's just there and like, you know, I can't
imagine I'm young and just being like on top.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yeah, like in that time, but.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
You're working so hard that you don't even realize it,
you know what I mean, Like you don't even realize
what it took us to step away from it, you know.
And and okay, we can use it as our downtime,
you know, and say that that was the time for
us to go back and look at it and say, man,
we we did more than just seeing you know, we
contributed to a culture like we we are part of history.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Culture.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, so that was amazing.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
It's looking at it now being older, like you're looking
at it now because my kids now they're they're going
back and they googling like dad, y'all, y'all the pieces
of the green the video. My kid, no, because I
don't go around I don't. I don't go around here looking, you.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Know, I don't. I don't do that.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
You know, like they just they they grew up as
normal as I I hoped I could because I could
teach them to be because it's such a mental strain
that the industry takes.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Like it gives, but.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
It also takes. One of the things is, you know,
the lack of you know, the mental health that comes along.
You know what I'm saying with that, because you're you're
inundated with all of this. You know, you have to
be perfect every time you see you're out, you all,
your face has always got to be right, your clothes
gotta always be right.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Or man, they don't fell off, bro Like I just
came from the jail, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
But I think the cameras up the camera messed it
up because when like, the reason I.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Asked if he was out is I would see everybody
out right.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I was a kid growing up, so I would go
to grass Tom and see y'all one hundred twenty fifth
stri I would go to the tunnel and see y'all
in the tunnel and different things. And there was no
VIP area. That's what it was, and it gave you
a connection with the artist. But there was no phone,
so it was no I'm taking a picture.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It was no.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I mean, the only thing that you would.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Possibly do if you want, and nobody want to look corny,
but you might ask for an order, but nobody wanted
to come to.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Club and do that. So it gave you at the moment,
and I feel like people are not enjoying the moment
to the micro and everybody.
Speaker 13 (29:09):
Had I hate when you come out on stage and
everybody got a phone. I'm like, it's happening right here
in front of you, and then for me anyway, I
don't think that because I think part of when you
perform is the it's how it sounds, is how it looks,
but it's the energy in the room and you can
never if you go back and watch that, you're not
going to get that energy. The energy is right there
in front of you. Like for me, I would maybe
take a picture, quick video, then I would put my
(29:31):
phone down. I went to see Stevie Wonder. I ain't
even take a picture. I sat there because there's an
energy that goes with it. I think a lot of
people miss that because you're like this and I'm like, yo,
it's right in front of you. If you put the
phone down, it's happening right there. Because you got to
watch the phone to see if you got the singing
off key.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
And so I'm like, am I'm messing up? When I
see the videos, I'm like you, no, that's.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
I'm like, hold on, did I just ain't No way,
I just did that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I did that.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
I'm like, man, I'm like, I've never went live ever,
went live on Instagram and I wasn't expecting this. Beyonce
came out and she just started speaking, I'm all live.
I'm like, I'm on live, y'all as b and she
started speaking and I started crying. I was not expecting.
I was like, Okay, Gods, I gotta go. Literally, I
might have been filming for like ten seconds. You gotta
(30:22):
be in a moment because it's an experience, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Watching it is, No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I wanted to ask you, Kim, what was your household
like growing up? Because I got four daughters, and you know,
a couple of them express wanting to be in the arts.
You and your sister Vita, y'all actually made it happen
with your parents pushing y'all to both be in the industry.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
What was no.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
God's plan? Vita was always a lot more outgoing than me,
so it wasn't surprising for me that she got into it. No,
like my mama had us in church. You know, my
mom was what's a struggle for her? So like I know,
for me, all I wanted to do was just be successful.
(31:05):
I wind up singing. We sung in the choir and
stuff like that. But I wind up being in a
group and entertaining the industry through Keisha. When we became friends,
she heard me sing, but it was just something that
we just always did. My mom sung back up for Ritha.
Franklin grew up in that era, but it was pretty
normal at home.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Like I really honestly didn't.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Have time to dream because I was so busy trying
to figure out, Okay, how I'm gonna help my mom
like I needed to work, So you know that was
my plan as soon as I was old enough. So Nope,
she didn't push us. She supported us like she was
our number one fan, but she didn't push us to
be into it being an Missy Elliott. Oh, Missy tovey
(31:51):
that she had a rap voice and be don't stop rapping.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So this is just when y'all did What About Us?
So I was it around this time?
Speaker 9 (31:59):
Well, yeah, like Missy, we had met Missy before she
started writing What About Us and stuff like cause, like
you said, everybody kind of hung around each other.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So Missy we became for a while too.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
We became Missy and I was really close at one
time and she was out my house at Jersey and
her Vita talking and she told Vito you should rap
Beta started rapping.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Wow, got a story for that too. So Missy used
to hang out at Daddy's house all the time. Yeah,
and so she was like, yo, puff, I want to
get on this record there. So we wrote a record
for Geena Thompson. We wrote that right Missy came in.
She was like, yo, I need to get on this jone,
I need to get on it. And then that's the
first time you heard her do the.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
The record. That was the first time that you know,
she was in Sister.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
She was in the Girl Sister at that point, but
she had came up and she was like, Yo, I
need to get on one of these recordss record one
twelve them I'm writing.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So she was just all the time.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
She was just in Daddy's house, man, And that was
the energy that was around bad boys, Like we were
just all in each other's studio, like hey might come
in here and seeing this real quick Faith, you know,
come in and seeing this record Like a lot of
times it wasn't you know, just it was by design.
It was really just being in the room at the
right place at the right time, you know, and just
and that's making them have his.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Faith wrote the song that got me signed to Wow Wow,
Crazy Wow.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
It was all called Don't Be Afraid and Misaid, who
was managing me at the time, got Faith to write it.
Which there's a hilarious story for that though. We had
to me and my homeboy KB shout out to Murray.
We went to you know, you had to get the
actual CD. So we had a rental car. We drive
to Brooklyn to meet Faith at that crib. She plays
it for me. I take the CD. Big comes in.
(33:38):
He don't know us. It's ninety four, so he like.
She's like, yeah, this case, he's an artist, blah blah blah.
He's looking.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
So we leave.
Speaker 13 (33:47):
We go outside the riner. Car won't start. They leave
and come back. We're still sitting there because we're trying
to call somebody to come. Were sitting outside the crib
for like maybe three and a half hours. I'm like,
we look suspect as hell. It's a were sitting there.
I'm like, yo, if I was there, I start shooting.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I hope they don't. So we sitting there.
Speaker 13 (34:07):
Finally we leave, and then when they had it was
a radio station that I was. I was hosting. They
was I was coming out. Big was coming in and
we laughed about it, but he remembered that. I'm like, Yo,
this looks crazy to call with. And I'm like, yeah,
we're sitting across from his crib. Now it's dark and
he's two strangers that was just in the crib. I'm like, yeah,
this is crazy. Then it was cell phone we were
(34:30):
going to the The was bly no cell phones.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
This was in ninety four.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Write a lot for Total. I heard he used to
write a lot for Total. No, that's not true, that's
not true.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
That's I know.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
Yes, I just posted the other day and I wrote
tell me what you want? Really, I mean, I said,
tell me what you want?
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Tell me.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
So that's when Omar and I were just friends and
he would drive out to Jersey and we would just
listen to music free style, out of music.
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I played him. I was like, this is a song
that they attracted. They just gave us. We just started freestyling,
took the puff. He was like, yo, this is crazy.
We played it. Faith came in, Faith pinned some more.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's made that album most people don't know was a rapper,
adult rapper from course, a dancer and then dancing a rapper.
Speaker 11 (35:19):
Yeah, a singer.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I didn't know the singer part.
Speaker 15 (35:22):
Oh yeah, I can't sing vision.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
They were I think I want to say death Jam.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Really yeah, they were like signed to death Jam and really.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Sing yeah thank you.
Speaker 13 (35:48):
Yeah, but I remember, I remember he was in it
before they sign.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I want to asked she and Keemea back in the day,
what made y'all decide to go up to the radio
station and press. Wendy Williams like, what did she say
to y'all that that caused y'all said, you know we got.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
To go see her there?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, hell no, wait before my time? How the nineties?
Speaker 16 (36:17):
Right, yeah, I think yeah, the window when it was
in the window, she just you know, and she was
playing with our money.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
She just was disrespectful.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
Yeah, and we had already sent the warning and then
she just kept saying like first Wendy was just like, oh,
we got something.
Speaker 11 (36:40):
And then we came up. We came up to the
radio station. We sang.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
She was like, oh we sang a cappella. She was like, oh,
y'all can sing. And it was that it was just like, oh,
that's your jersey, and I hear that they can't pay
rent and they can't pay their rent and stuff, and
we were like, you know what, enough is enough because
at that time, that's all she was doing. It's like, listen,
you know, when we get these optunities as black artists,
we gotta uplift them and talk about your opporctivity that
(37:05):
they do right instead of you give a moment a
blitz of something that they did positive and then something
that happened negative you're playing that all day.
Speaker 11 (37:14):
So we were just like, enough is enough. K was like,
can we go up there?
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Because I didn't you know, I know, politically we would
have been in trouble for we just went up there.
So we asked permission and he didn't say.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
He was like, go ahead, was like, what is that
that you had to say? And she was like no, no, no,
talk that stuff right now. And then her her husband
at the time security, he had said something to our
security like come on, man, come on, and she ran
to the car. She got in the car in the
middle finger and then we never heard no more from her.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
She just tells the story. You say, y'all sent her
a warner was you all want to sit the fish?
Speaker 13 (37:56):
No, I don't really want you to. Boss said that
dead fish in the male.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, somebody said that sleeps with the fishes.
Speaker 13 (38:10):
Yet he said that. She said that. I was Boston
messing piece to Boss.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Around that time.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
It happened around the time when I just signed and
had just met her. Shout out there too. She passed
a few years ago. But yeah, I didn't even know
about that, Wendy.
Speaker 13 (38:26):
You used to I can't say nothing about Wendy because
she would find out stuff about me, but she never
she would call me and be like, look this was
I'm hearing and she would send me the faxes. I
don't know why she looked out for me. I'm glad
she did because some of it some of it was
dead No, not a crush.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
On me, right, But the reason I missed that was
because y'all was able to pull up on people. Now,
people just be in the basement behind the computers talking.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
That's the worst Internet.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, I gotta go, guys. Damn, I don't know why
they said.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
All right, real quick? All right, I went two more questions.
Did y'all like Tianna Taylor?
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (39:09):
How you want it?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Right?
Speaker 7 (39:10):
Because she's sampled? Tell me y'all like that?
Speaker 9 (39:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:16):
I love that? Okay, perfect and k King Holmes is
on it as well.
Speaker 8 (39:22):
But yeah, I thought that was that was about that
took back you know what I'm saying, Like, I thought that.
Speaker 11 (39:27):
Was dope, stay tuned saying something with that.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Okay, at.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Case, yo, the best man I can be now with
all those egos you got, Jim tyres r o in yourself,
how did that studio session go?
Speaker 7 (39:47):
I felt like it.
Speaker 13 (39:49):
Was cool, but I'm gonna tell you it probably would
have not been as cool. But it's Jimmy, Jimmy, Terry Lewis,
so you're gonna kind of act right even if you
don't want to.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Okay, So it's them.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
Did y'all record at once?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Like we all flew in him card at the same time. Yo,
I was the last one.
Speaker 13 (40:03):
I got there because my flight got delayed, but yeah,
we was all there. Actually, I was having a party
at Jimmy's a platinum party at night that I missed
because I had to go up there and do that.
But it was cool because it's Jam and Lewis, Like,
you ain't gonna get in there, and I asked with them.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
That was the funniest music video I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I'll be seeing the memes now.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Y'all was going in soho who did the most?
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I don't know. I was worried about me at the
talking about in the video.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
Shoot, who do you feel did the most?
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Back then?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Yeah, but who do you think did the most? Res
definitely did the most.
Speaker 13 (40:39):
I think he probably out of r L in Terre's Okay,
because I seen the mean recent he was like, yo,
Terry's threw the hat and face.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm like, I never noticed that. I think that was
a I think he was throwing it and he walked.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I was high.
Speaker 13 (40:54):
I was high, and I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah,
I'm not doing all that. Hit the blood again.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I like, I'm not. Yes, We're my glasses.
Speaker 7 (41:01):
That's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
But I just always wanted to ask one of y'all
who did the most, because the most was done?
Speaker 13 (41:06):
Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now that it
wasn't No Jamie lewis there, so I already knew that
was gonna be different from the session.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Yeah, that was gonna be a thing.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
Yeah, So that's what I wanted to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, when the talk kicks off, what do you want
fans to feel when they see all of y'all on stage?
Speaker 5 (41:23):
That nostalgia?
Speaker 6 (41:24):
Man, we want, we want, we want how we're talking
about the nineties and and just bringing back that area
we won't we want with so much BS that's going
on in the world, that we want to be what
we set out to be, which is a refuge for
all that BS.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
You know that's going on in the in the real world.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
So if we can give you an hour, an hour
and a half, three hours of just being able to
separate yourself from bills and these bad ass kids, hours
just for a little while. Like that's that's what we're
you know, that's our mission. You know, we want we
want to feel the nostalgia. I want to go back
and listen to all the records that because we're in
(41:59):
the you know, rehearsal now and in total show is amazing, tough.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
So it was one twelve, crazy high energy when everybody
have a good time to have you.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Know, just have a good time, just reminisce.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Yeah, November thirteenth, we will be in Brooklyn was the
King Stairs King.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yeah, we'll Stafford, Connecticut on the twelve twelve.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So many questions, you got to know, we appreciate it.
I just gotta ask one. Mo'm sorry, no one else.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
Beat.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Were y'all confused when you first heard that beat?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, because there was snares all over that place.
Speaker 11 (42:39):
We did not know what was going to be put
over it?
Speaker 10 (42:43):
Okay, because that was Terry once again Terry Robinson.
Speaker 11 (42:46):
It's like, how are you going to write.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Over the what I said?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I heard?
Speaker 10 (42:51):
It went crazy. It's one of my favorites. Hard If
we could just get all of those acts on on
the stage one day, we're gonna stay hopeful.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah yeah, wow, Bran, it's crazy. Alright.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Well, thank you guys for joining us. One twelve tons,
get them, take it, and it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Good Morning, hold every.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Day a week ago.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Click your glass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Finish y'all. Dump
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