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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody is the j Envy, Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne, the gud
We are the Breakfast Club Laurn LaRosa.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Feeling in for Jess while she's on maternity leaving.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,
Harry Champion. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 5 (00:18):
All right?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm so happy. I just would like to say, you
guys need better customer service.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
So I came in? Well, first of all, I was
told they told me to come an hour ago.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right, you was here an hour ago?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Yeah, just real it was the time.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, she was. She was sitting there for a hour.
You had to wait for an hour.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I don't know what I was doing. That's crazy good correct.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nobody said that didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, that definitely happened.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That definitely happened. Then I sat down and somebody's like,
do you need anything? I was like, yeah, I need
some coffee. And then I never and that somebody is
the person by the name of Brandon. Who's Brandon?
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Brandon is a young man from Ghana who works and
he's a producer. He don't like black women. He likes
white woman.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh, so I could explain it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So if I was white, I would have definitely probably.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Had Karen Champion. You'd have got your call, Karen Champion.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Karen would got the coffee. Carrien didn't get the coffee.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
La? You look great?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
See you again again and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Two lives back to back. You've bene told in this
studio that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What's up with.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Why? Why? Why to stop your Julia, don't look and
he's stopping it right now. You fine, period, you fine?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Carry is the host of the necond podcast.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
You're back for the fourth season on The Black Effect
iHeart Radio podcast Network, and this season is a little different, Yeah,
because you have the making of a rivalry podcast, Caitlyn
Clark versus Angelies.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Why are you putting the women against each other?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I knew you was gonna say that, Okay, So well,
first off, then here's the thing that I saw. I
call a friend of mine, a little short man, and
I go, hey, short man, I want to do this idea.
And I think it's great. I said, everybody thinks that
these two ladies don't like each other. And in the
way we work. We see the world through our own lens.
So if you're black, I'm rying with angel and if you're white,
I'm right when Kaitlyn, I don't care what anybody says.
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I felt that as opposed to just letting these women
play ball, and I said, rivalry is not a bad thing,
and everybody comparing it to magic and bird and I'm like,
that was a good thing, right. It helped the NBA.
That's the reason why the finals were no longer delayed.
They were live, And I was like, this is a
good thing. The WNBA has always been great, but they
needed these supernovas to bring people to the WNBA to
pay attention to see how special they were. They already
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had Asia, they already had all these great people, Candice
Briana Stewart. I can go down the list of all
these great players. But for whatever reasons, this storyline was
so compelling and I and my argument is this country
is just built on race. So if you have black
versus white and anything, I'm locked in. Anybody's locked in
because you want to pick a side, and you want
to put all your tropes on whomever's the person you
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decided to vote for. Or ride with I'm referring to
the election, and so my mind is, why don't we
talk about the making of a rivalry and how this
is really something special and how it's about to take
women's sports to a whole new level. And my man says, yes,
great genius. And so what I found out by doing
this docu series is six parts. We have six episodes
that were doing in real time while the WNBA playoffs
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are happening, and soon we'll be into the finals. And
it's been a ride, and it's been really good and special.
I think we are I think we're doing it for
the culture. I think I'm learning a lot about how
people see women who play sports. And I also know
that I had to really talk about what I felt
because I know I was riding with Angel too, right,
So what do you feel, like?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What have you learned?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Because I mean you already were all in, you very
educated on the subject, But what did you learn new
that might have changed your perspective a little bit?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Like, you know what, I do root for Caitlyn as well.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Really, I like Kaitlyn. I think Caitlyn's a great I
think she's a baller. I think she just wants to
play what I do. What I don't like is how
some people in the media, some of my colleagues, are like,
how come she not, you know, denouncing racism, and how
come she's not? And I'm like, she will when she learns.
How long does it take a woman to find her
voice in this world? She grew up in Iowa, She's
twenty two years old. I'm not caping for but I'm like,
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she didn't have the experience to speak on that. Remember
when Lebron wasn't speaking on Black Lives Matter and all
these other issues, and they held them accountable and he
finally said, Okay, I have something to say. You got
to be educated and you got to be comfortable before
you start talking about it. And she's getting there and
she'll be even better as as the years come along.
But I didn't like that. I also didn't like how
they treated Angel. Angel had the best moment of her life,
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the best moment of her life. The crowning achievement is
to win a championship. And when she won this championship,
all these new fans and all these new analysts wouldn't
even celebrate this queen. She had to deal with all
this vitrioll and hate and death threats, and all she
did was say, I'm about to get a ring. You
can't see me. The reality is is that they have
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been whoever anybody wanted them to be before they walked
on that stage. Like, as a white woman, we already
define who you are. As a black woman, we already
define who you are. And what I mean by we
is society. They come from two different worlds, they live
two different lives. They are who they are. Their talent
is who they are. So she grew up in Baltimore,
So angels gonna talk talk trash. Caitlin talks trash too,
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just differently. And you ever remember let's talk about your
tire cowboys. You ever remember that time a long time ago, Bryant.
This is when Tony Romo tired Tony Romo. It was
quarterback and des Brian is trying to hype him up,
like we can do this, we can do this. And
you're on the sideline and he talking to him with
all this energy, and you hear the commentator saying, oh boy,
Dez is mad. Look at death. He's so mad y
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and he's yelling at Tony, and Tony was like, no, actually,
he was trying to hype me up. He was telling
me that we got this, we can win this game.
Now when Tom Brady would sit on the sideline and
throw his helmet and cuts everybody out. Yeah, Tom's really
frustrated with the gamesting what's going on. And we do that, me, media,
everybody does that, And so I am. I'm finding out
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that I have my own bias, I have my own attitude.
I even cover the game differently, even.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
With white tears.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Don't move you listen at all, Thank you very much.
But my point is we have to stop doing that,
like media has to stop doing that. I think the
way that the fans are watching this game, they shouldn't
do that. And I think what I'm finding out in
this podcast is that most of us don't like to
see women compete like athletes. Women can't be on the
court trash talking. We can't be in your face. But
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it's quite all right to do it in the NBA.
We can do it in the NBA. We can't do
it in the w NBA. And it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I want to ask you something about the WNBA thing.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Well, just really, Caitlyn and Angel, are they required to
talk about anything other than basketball. Do we need them
to do we need Kaitlyn or Angel to speak out
about anything, racism, sexism?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Do we need them to I don't know if we
need them to listen. We in this world we live
in today, you don't have that luxury. I think sports,
politics and culture all intersect. That's what we're doing on
Naked Sports. Sports, politics and culture intersect. And especially in
a w NBA that's been dealing with racism since its inception,
you have to talk about it so now you can't
hide it. You have these two big stars and they
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are talking about it, so you can't hide it. It's
been happening. But now we have these two stars and
they're talking about it, and they're not letting you get
away with it. You have to. Unfortunate, you don't want
to talk about certain things, but you have to. You
have a voice. I should tell you that a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't want to talk about it home.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm makeing up something right now. My point is is
that you are required when you have a response. Look,
with great responsibility comes great pressure and vice versa. You
have to be able to stand in your feet and say,
this is what's happening. And this is what these ladies
have to do, whether they want to talk about it
or not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What do you think about their first season, both both
their rookie seasons.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I think Kaitlyn was I think she was not playing
well when she first started. I think there was a
lot of hype, but I think she figured it out.
I think she is a generational talent.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I think Kaitlin when they didn't take her to the Olympics,
she got in the gym, she got in the lab.
She came back better than ever. She took this team
that had never been to the playoffs within the last
ten years. She took up straight to the playoffs. They
I mean out the first round. But that's a remarkable turnaround.
She didn't do it alone. She had a Leah Boston
and other players, but what she was able to do
for that team was transcended. And then, as far as
Angel's concerned, this is a thing. They both are so
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good in college and everybody's like, oh, they go they're
not gonna they rookie year. It's not gonna be this,
It's not gonna be that. They rookie year. They answered
every single call everyone thought they'd be average, were more
than average, over exceed the expectations. They weren't nervous. They
got there. They were like, this is my stage and
what not thinking twice? Angel goes to the med Gala,
then returns and then puts up another record breaking rebound
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day a game and I'm like, wait a second, she's
not this is who she is, this is what they do.
They're not bothered by these like all the spotlights. Back
in the day the w n b A. In my opinion,
I felt like the women were I feel like they
were quiet. I feel like they felt like they had
to be a certain way. And these ladies don't even
know what that means. This generation don't know what that means.
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I'm showing up.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
What you said is very important because back in the
day that maybe it was just as good, but for
whatever reason, they didn't have a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Voice they did.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I would interview these women, I'd be like, tell me something,
and they'd say what they thought they had to say. Yeah,
they're not doing that now, which I love and that
makes the game so compelling and that's why everybody's paying it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And now when you know Sheryl swoops, she was like
I know she had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Hell you know, they had something to say, but it
was new, and it's it's twenty eight years young, it's
still very young. And I and this is around the
same time if we even look at history, about thirty
years into the NBA, that's exactly around the same time
that the NBA started to do well and people could
see the profit in the NBA, not the ABA, but
the NBA when it merged. And it takes a while
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for everybody to find their footing and what the foundation
is and what it looks like. So the problem now
not even the problem. They have to in the WNBA
right now, they have to address the racism. Charlotte disagrees
with me on this, and I want to get your thoughts.
He's like, it's the price of being famous, price of success.
It's the price of success. He's saying. The woman just
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have to deal with it like that. It just comes
to the territory of making money.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Do you agree with that when it comes to the racism. Yeah,
absolutely too.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Why, I mean, because how do you get around it?
How do you not?
Speaker 7 (09:44):
And especially and you said, in the world we live
in today, If you don't, people create a narrative, and
then you got to fight back against that, so you
kind of like fuck yourself over a bit.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So you're just sending to put your head down.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
No, no, no, I'm saying they need to deal with
it like they have to do. It's not put your
head down it.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Let's be clear, because you know they'll take this out
of context. It's not just the racism. It's the heckling. Right,
So it's the heckling, it's the people outside your hotel.
It's all of that comes with being successful.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
But that's two separate conversations. And to be clear, I'm
not saying put your head down. Just deal with it.
I mean deal with it, like say something. But with
the heckling and stuff like that, I think there's an
even trade because sometimes people they like when the NBA
players do it, it's a topic. It kind of adds
character to a player. But I can understand him being like,
just don't even address it. But when the NBA players
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do it, people talk about it as if it's a
great thing. So why can't they one a bit?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, but you call bitch niggas all day, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
But it's different with a girl even watching.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So here's different with the double standard that I that
I brought up to Charlotte Mane. He was like, the
men deal with it all the time. I agree, they
do deal with it. And now they've gotten to the
point we've seen Lebron and Russell Westbrook point out the
player and say you have to Caitlyn did that in
her second game of the playoffs. She was like, this
one right here, loved it. Yeah to go, I agree
with that, But this double standard where the women should
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and it's a different double standard. The women should just
deal with it because the men just deal with it.
It doesn't hit the same way, does it. No, it
doesn't hit the same way.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Because the NBA stars at w NBA stars, they are athletes,
they're on that platform. They're gonna be called a whole
bunch of things like Charla and myself called a whole
bunch of things.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You called you're a fragle maggot. Don't say that, guys,
you don't want to know.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
It's a word.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That is that what Donnelle bard in another day?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You stop demon baby oil anyway, go ahead, continue Fragle man.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
As I was saying, I think if you put anybody
into that celebrity light, they have to deal with it.
Whether you're a boxer, whether you're a baseball player, whether
you're a it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Matter who you are. So you're still a celebrity. You
have to do it. Laura has to deal with it now.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah, but it's still different because as a woman, there
are different things that people throw on me that like,
I don't want on me. As a man, y'all don't
get that like that is true. So how do you
want to tell a woman that it's not true? For instance,
right if you're.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Out, you're saying the things that I wouldn't want on me.
There's plenty of things you can say to a man.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'm not saying that you don't want it on you.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
What I'm saying is that regardless if you want on
you or not, you can react in people champion you,
and if you don't react, it's like, oh, he's he's
used to his celebrity.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
If a woman chooses.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
To not react, it's like it's going to keep going
to a point where it will it becomes her and
she has no defense against it because she hasn't said anything.
But then if she says something, it's like she thinks
she is you.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You're damned if you do, you damned if it's not
the same for men. And that is that is the truth.
That is a true statement. And so you you all
live in a different world. It's truly a man's world.
The older I get, the more I realize that, I'm like, damn,
y'all go, you.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Gotta navigate, Like even in this room, there are certain
things that you guys can do and say very confidently
that even if I confidently do and say, people just
take it differently.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Nothing's a god that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You can say confidently that we can't say.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, yeah, maybe the topic when you talk about and things,
if we say it wrong, especially when it comes to women. Women,
if we say it wrong, we're in trouble. But you
can say whatever you want about men. And that's how
the show old.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think we're going. We're taking a confidence somewhere that
ain't true.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
All I'm simply saying it is all I'm simply saying
about the WNBA or anybody that's successful. There is no
defense to it, meaning that these people can say whatever
they want about us and there's nothing we can do
about it. Like literally, we can we can speak out
against it. We can, you know, say that's wrong, but
it's not going to stop it. So you gotta find
ways to not let it affect you and not affect
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your gain.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I agree with that, but here's where we draw the line.
Caitlin has said as well. Angel has been very vocal
about this. On our podcast, Angel Rey says, they followed
me home. There's death threats. There's now I'm not saying
there's not death threats for the men, but there is
a certain level of vitriol that a black woman gets
for being comfortable in her own skin and being unapologetic.
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I can't even describe it, and I think I'm not
a black man, so I wouldn't know how to relate
to what the vituo all you would get would be.
But for a woman being confident and comfortable in her
own skin, especially a black woman, a black woman, there's
something so very frightening about it. Look at look at
the election, and Kamala walked over there and shook Donald
Trump's hand in his space and was like, what's up?
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Do you know how many people were like, how dare she?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That's what she wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's what she won to us. That's when she won
to geeve the optics. He was afraid of her. And
and you know what's scary because he knows she tells
she's intelligent, she's smart, and she's ready, And that's exactly
what Angel is. Intelligence, smart, and she's ready, and she's unapologetic.
And that is for rightening on a different level. And
there's absolutely no respect for her because of the fact
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that she does that. And so there is some times,
in my opinion that enough is enough. You're following me
home because I because I was trash talking. I agree
with that, but I don't necessarily know, and and and
and and this is one thing that I will say,
I'm sure other players have dealt with that, Like what
Lebron went through when he decided to leave Cleveland and
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go to Miami. I'm sure it was a whole other level.
Like let's just let's be real, Like the way that
he dealt with that was probably better than anybody could
have dealt with that. And I don't even think I
didn't eve think anybody in the WNBA has been experienced
what he probably had to deal with, but his level
of success because of his level of success, but there
is something like, you, look, the w NBA needs to
invest in more security. They need to have a no
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nonsense policy. They need to have a commissioner who talks
about this and say we won't tolerate this, although it
will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Angel have to invest in her own persons.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
She has to invest in her own personal security. And
and Caitlin Clark. I think when she's comfortable, we'll be
able to talk about this in a way that says,
don't put this on me, don't let me, don't this
is not about what I want to do. Don't put
your tropes, your beliefs on me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
But that's if the salaries can support it as well.
Like they're not getting played like paid like NBA players,
So if she can't afford a full time security, that's
a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
YEA, you're right, but they're making money. But I do
feel like making money.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Yeah, but even to your point, I think WNBA should
provide security even outside of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I agree, especially for their top level challenges.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm surprised they.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Put them on I'm happy they put them on private
planes so they don't have to be the airport with
people harassing intail.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It started with Britney Grinder. They had to they were
rolling up on Brittany mad at her saying she wasn't
a patriot. They were upset at her because she came
home first. And so they have to do that. And unfortunately, uh,
there is some onus on the NBA as well. They
work together. They should be able to give them money
to Hammy, let me hold something and let this get
in and let's figure this out. And so I just
I do understand what you're saying. As a woman. It's
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a different level of response. It's a different it hits differently.
You can't say you damned if you do, damned if
you don't, you really are so. And so I do
believe there needs to be some type of security in
place for all of these women. But now we're getting
into a whole nother level. And I don't necessarily agree
that just because they're famous they have to just take it.
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I mean you kind of do, because what are we
supposed to do? Like, what are you supposed to do?
When you're like, what is super supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What is Lebron supposed to do? What is what he's
supposed to.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sign up for?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
It's not right, it's right, but there's really no defense
against it, Like, what do you do somebody gets on
the platform and says something crazy about you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You consume if you want.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't mind you talking bad about me. I don't
mind you heckling hackling me either, Right, But the reality
is is that this has been an issue for a
very long time and they've never addressed it.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
The baby just left here, right, he said, what the
baby shot somebody because they came on his property. That
the guy wanted to perform.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
For the baby.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
That's the price of being the baby. My therapist told
me that a long time ago. My therapist said, you
can't have you know your your success without having your problems.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It just comes with it. Why I hate that. It's
like it.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Charlamagne got beat up, pushed in the back of the head,
everybody laughed. Charlamagnet got got beat up again in front
of a.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And it beat inside of a bow day.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
It's not true, but I beat the ship out that
young man.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I don't know if he was young or old the
first time.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Mae, somebody they tried to jump you out. That's about
But nobody felt bad for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They should.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They should.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
The guys the drugs do I beat the ship out
of them. The other one they pushed me in the
back of the head.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Nothing, I ran, he ran into the station.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But that was a different kind of that was just
what he was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
A bad guy. He was the bad guy self proclaimed.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
That's apples an orgious basketball, But.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That doesn't.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Was it a mistake? Is it a mistake for Angel
Reese to call herself the villain?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
No? She well, she walked it back. She said, Look,
I've been trying to I've tried to own the narrative
and take this, but I refuse to take it. She
was like, I'm not built for this. Was everybody's not
built for that. And by the way, what black woman
isn't a villain when she's comfortable in her own skin
and speaking up against what's not right. Everybody makes black
women a villain when they're comfortable. You know this, I'm
not making this up. We're looking at Kamalas. She's smart,
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she's intelligent, and all of a sudden, she's the back.
How is she a bad guy in a race? Is
a bad person in the race?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She's not me?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You pussy? How was she?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
And Trump is like a total And that's what I'm
saying by I know that there's no defense to it,
but sometimes it's okay to if you decide to do
whatever you think is the defense, react to it because
you literally cannot win.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Because when you're a woman, you're the bad guy.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
You don't get the like TOADD, you're the out here,
you're doing well, you're.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Speaking for yourself. We don't get that.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
It's different for us. And I don't know why it's
like that, and I don't know if it's ever gonna change, but.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I get what you.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I think we're having two different conversations. I'm just talking
about when you are a successful person, this comes with it,
all of the bullshit, all of the talking ship harassment,
all of this.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I agree, and you and you and after a while,
when the beginning it hurts, right, don't care no more? Yeah, Okay,
what I only day white man. Okay, I got it. Okay,
what I'm an angry black woman, Okay, I got it.
I'm just saying about.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Get them online. One. I don't want to have this intervention.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Invention. My point is is that there will be a
narrative that follows you no matter what, and you take it. No,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You started why would you the first thing you.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Said, day black Man, I date black Man. I believe you,
thank you? You see how you see.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We talk about carry heard the w NBA played the game.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I did do that?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Show me the pop?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What's that young lady name?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I'm not going to say because I did not. I'm
not gonna say.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
So.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm sitting let me tell you. I'm sitting courtside, minding
my own business. Charlot Mane like you over there looking
six eight? How tall are you? What are you doing? It?
Just so happens one of the ladies tumbled from the
Las Vegas Aces in front of where I was sitting,
and I was just looking and it was sad.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
You hit her head on Carrie's boot. Look had that
boot courtside? Carry over there sitting like a big old nigga,
legs open. You know what I'm saying, hands between the lever.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It takes for the liberty to win. I'm like, who
is carry.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Wanting to fight?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
What's going on? But why was you sitting like this?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You have to why why carry that?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
From Kanyak?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I did not have an Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The first thing he came in to say. He was like,
look at Carrie she had.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
She's sitting like a.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Nigg You got your legs up and you send like
a man. Who do you think he is? And I
was like wait everyone, no, no.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
When I saw the picture, I was like, did Carry
has to play sport?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I thought.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I was like, did she's playing basketball or something?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Because I was like, am I looking like a man? Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Tell me?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I was First of all, I was in the zone.
I was in the zone. I was watching the game.
That's how people watch the game. And you're up here
like I look like a man. I was like, is
that roote?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't know why you can sit in a friend
talking bad about me all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
He was like, I was in the group chat. They
said you was fine. I said I heard she was
a man. I was just like, why do you do that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What you said?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
That? Not that? Not on this day. I will come
over there.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I heard her name Carl. Leave it alone.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I have a question, like Carry is an example of
what I what she's talking about, because it's like Carrie
walks in the room.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
She just has a correct right.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
It's not because she's just tall, it's just because she
really has a presence. I can see how that can
intimidate some people.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I and you know what I said, and make people uncomfortable.
I know. I agree. I said, I feel it when
I feel it, and it's a it's not a cocky thing.
I just feel it. When I walk in the room,
people stop, they pay attention, they look, and it makes
people uncomfortable. I understand that, but it's just who I am.
It's my my level of comfort wherever I'm at. I'm
at home in my body wherever I'm at. And so
I get why you said that, and that's why he said,
are you six foot eight? And I'm like, no, I'm
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just fite ten.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
But it's not a size thing though, Like like when
Stephanie Mills walks in the room, you just feel it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Do you feel it and you either are comfortable with
it or you're not comfortable with it? You can relate, No,
she can't.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
When did you get comfortable with it? At what age
did you get comfortable with it? Because because Stephanie said
she didn't get it, tell she was fifty.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Five, Oh wow, I probably say within probably when I
was like thirty five, I just knew But first of all,
I look, this does sound crazy, and y'all and you
and you, everybody in this room can relate to this.
I hope way you ever felt like you were just
special on set apart absolutely from seven years old. Seven
years old, I was like, oh, I'm different, and I
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didn't know what that meant or felt like. And I've
just I've walked in that ever since until you realize, oh,
this is what that means. And people resent you for it,
people love you for it, people hate you for it.
And that's what we're dealing with. Caitlyn and Angel. They're
just different. And of course there are players in the league.
I'm not saying anybody hates them. But you can't decide
who will be the super nova. You can't decide who's
going to be the person that carries us into a
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different stratosphere. It just happens. It's something that is destined
it to what it is. You couldn't tell me Breakfast
Club would not be the voice of the people. And
then also elevate into more things like it just happens.
You were assigned. You were assigned, You were assigned. It
is what it is. And so once you realize that
you've already felt it. I felt it since I was
a kid, and I knew what it was, but I
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was just like, Okay, what does this look like? What
am I going to do with it? And these two
ladies are learning to deal with that. They know they're assigned,
they know they're special, they know they set apart, and
they also know that people resent them because there are
the folks that were before them that actually laid the foundation,
the don State, Lisa Chryl Swoops, the canvas Parkers. The
less you can go down the list of women who
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really put this league in its place and put it
put it literally on the map, but you can't assign
who's going to be the super nova to take us
to that next level. And it just so happens that
it's a woman by the name of Caitlyn Clark and
Angel Reese. And that story is so damn compelling. Black
versus white.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I mean, that story sells regardless.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean even in boxing, when you look at boxing
any when it's when it's race, I think I think
it's sales regardless.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
People want to rep their race.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Taylor Swift and Beyonce we that's our next episode. Our
next episode is about the rivalry or the perceived rivalry
goes beyond sport. Find me any black and white version,
and people are going to compare because that's what people do,
and they have to tell you one is better than
the other. But both of those ladies were assigned. They're
special and set apart in their own world, powerful, but
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people still want to put them in verses and want
to say one is better than the other.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Your lifelong Lakers fan, so you've seen the Lakers Celtics rivalry.
What makes this Caitlin Angel thing similar to Magic and
Bird outside of the race thing?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Like, just what is it?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Well, they don't play the same position, So I do
want to say that because I hear a lot of
players say they don't play the same position, So why
is there a rivalry. It's a rivalry because of right,
But it's a rivalry because well, and that was what
they were more, they were more equivalent. Caitlin right now
is all offense. She is spectacular and she's always going
to be more dynamic in the sense that offense gets
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people in the stands, it makes people pay attention. She
is shooting from the logo and it's crazy, it's insane.
What she can do when she really gets in her zone.
And what Angel is doing, I think it's different. While
she's good on defense and she'll get our offensive game
together eventually, what she is doing, she's doing something that
we haven't seen, in my opinion, a w NBA player do,
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or a black female athlete do, in a very long time.
She's getting a little to come to the games. Megdae
Stallion is talking about what she wants to do. She's
at the met Gala. She's living in the world. They're
rapping about her, akin to Drake rapping about Lebron. She
has She's done something that hasn't been done before and
she I don't even know if she's aware of it.
Even Serena, I love that people talked about that wasn't
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happening with Lisa Leslie. Not that way, not in that way.
Like these are her people. She's kicking it with Megan,
she's taking away podcast like they are her people, they
are her friends. She has all the influence around, influencers
around her, and they want to be around her. We've
seen that happen. Athletes want to be ballers, and ballers
want to be athletes. We've only seen that with men.
We haven't seen that with women, especially not a black woman. Serena.
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I'll give her because she was popular and she had
a lot of people, but it was tennis and she
and she did bring all the stars, so look you
get you know, apples and oranges. She did bring a
lot of stars to the game. But I truly, honestly
believe for a w NBA player, a black woman, to
have this effect in the culture. She is the culture.
She's representing the culture. She girl, she'd a high girl.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
You can't she got it. She's on assignment.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I had to ask them when it happened. Would love
to hear what you had to say about it. Like
when she had to sit out for the rest of
the season, does that affect because I mean she has
all that, but like she's not playing the game for
the rest of the season, so that does that affect
what she was doing?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Or like what will happen moving forward?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
No, she they have a truncated season. Anyway, I think
fat is she would have continued to play, maybe the
Chicago Sky would have made it to the playoffs. But
she made a smart decision in my in my opinion,
which is to take care of herself now so she
can come back stronger than ever. It doesn't affect her,
it did affect the rookie race in some capacity. I
thought Kaylen Clark was going to be Rookie of the
Year anyway. I just thought she was.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Beau know that Reese had a great first half. Yeah,
I just think Kaitlyn's first half.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Was kind of it was, but it balanced out because one,
not only did she take her team to the playoffs
that hadn't been in like ten years, Caitlyn she requires
something more. You can't really defend a shot like when
they were like triple teaming her and double teaming her.
She figured it out. She just figured it out. And that,
to me, for a rookie is really special because how
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many times have we heard about rookies in the NBA
They're gonna be it, They're gonna be how many rookies
have been it? When you start looking at these rookies
and you're like, who's who's really it? Lebron right after Lebron,
who was a rookie that was it? Name one after Lebron,
who lived all the hype after.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
After Lebron, nobody need the.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Number one pick who lived up to all the hype
after Lebron.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Nobody, you don't look at me.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It took them.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It takes them a couple of years to figure it out.
It's a different league. But if we're just doing athletes
on athletes, I'm just saying, let's talk about it. It's
a different league. Obviously different requirements, but it look but
it took a minute. Everybody thought Zion was gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What about Ion was victim?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Kind of still special, average, still special, but he wouldn't
given everybody the business. Yeah, and that's why I was
mad when people were like, they're jealous of her, and
we heard all these the man the men explaining that
the women were jealous of Kaitlyn. I was like, but
what about when everybody was going to Lebron's head? When
you are, when you are the most sought after, the
most talked about, I have to Okay, well, welcome to
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the league. Let me show you what this is. Kennas
Parker her We always give this, always give this example.
Cannas Parker's rookie year. She got a two piece. They
had her on the ground. They were beating her, like
literally trying to beat her up. And it was benches.
Everybody got off the benches, Lisa Leslie got pushed down.
No one ever talked about it. And then you're talking
about Kaitlyn Clark and you're like, oh, they poked her
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in the eye, they stabbed her in the eye. Oh
they they're just so mean to her. What game have
you been watching? These ladies? Ball a ball a ball
And you even said that you were watching. You were like,
this game is good.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I mean I watched it on television, but going
to the Liberty.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
And A game, it was like, Wow, it's a whole
new thing. I enjoyed it thoroughly, like in a lot
of ways more than the men's.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Game a lot of ways because because.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
They're so fundamentally sound that.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
They know the basics and they and everyone said, oh,
they don't dunk, and they and then so when Caitlyn
started to shoot, like Steph, you didn't have that excuse
anymore to say you weren't watching the game.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And that's the new dunk. The logo three is the
new dunk anyway, So what it is?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Steph? I used to say this and still believe the
reason why Steph Curry is the most impactful player the
NBA has ever seen is because he made everybody believe.
He made the average kid in the backyard shoots from
the logo believe that they could do it. I don't
have to be six foot eight, I don't have to
be built like Lebron. I don't have to dunk. If
I can choot from here, I can be like Steph.
That is why people love Kaylyn Clark's game, because they believe, oh,
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I can do that. Little girls are at home watching.
I'm sitting next to this little girl right now. This
little girl at the game last the other night was like,
oh wow, like so like and you know why she's
watching because when she saw Kayln Clark out there, she
could relate. She was like, because I don't know if
I'm ever gonna be Asia Wilson's height. But and by
the way, everyone's tall. I mean Steph is tall, Caitlyn's tall.
But they don't feel unattainable. It feels like it's not aspirational.
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It's like, I can do that, not six eight six. Correct.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I don't like how you looked at me just now.
You said everybody's tall. You started to say except you,
But do you?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I saw you?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
How tall are you five four far for I'm showing
what I said that to the I told you you're
starting to get hips. I told you that you got
you he got you got hips for I said that
to you. Look at your hips and big.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Beauty you are.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It's crazy, not even crazy crazy.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
If Caitlyn and Angel are Magic and Bird, who's gonna
be Jordan?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
If I have to say who Jordan is right now
and she's so humble with it, well we don't know
yet she could be, but right now talking about Asia Wilson,
if I had to talk about who, meaning like Asia
is a guaranteed bucket, I know, I know they may
not win this series as we know, and we're watching
their down to nothing. But Asian to me is she
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does it all. She does it all. She's in the paint,
she's defense, she's all. She's literally she's a leader on
that court. She requires more. I'm watching. I'm like, if
you were a man, we'd be talking about this more.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Greatest w NBA player that's playing today. You know, I
love Agan Wilson. I think she's more like Tim Duncan
though why just because she's great on both ends of
the court right and even though her personality is really big. Right,
I'm not talking about it, I'm talking about the way
they play. For whatever reason, you don't appreciate that type
of game. She's so fundamentally sound, dominates on both sides
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of the court. You know she's gonna show up every game,
but it just feels more Tim Duncans.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Tim Duncan is the greatest part for the ball time.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But yeah, he is. But I feel like there's something
more special about her. I but to the point where
Jorge Why.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
We don't think Duncan is special because he beat the Lakers,
That's why.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
No, And because George Duncan is phenomenal for two things, right,
And we got to keep it a buck. You played
for the Spurs, very humble team, very quiet team. He's
a quiet, humble man. You need to you need to
have your tongue hanging out your mouth. You need to
talk a little shit. Yeah, that's why we love Jordan.
Jordan gave us flash, she gave us a show. I
need to be entertained if I'm gonna watch basketball. I'm
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not saying that doesn't mean Tim Duncan isn't that great.
But that's why people forget, That's why they forget about Kareem.
They forget about the greatest man ever who created this guy.
They forget about Kareem in a lot of ways. Absolutely,
And you remember Magic because he was Showtime. The Lakers
created Showtime. That's why you remember Magic over and Magic
is one of your favorite players. Why do we love
Kobe because Kobe was like we knew he was a
dog and he didn't care about nobody. You love that.
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We need both and that, which is unfortunate because it
goes back to my point. Age has that trash talk
in her. She got that dog in her. But we
don't allow women to play sports like men play sports.
We don't allow women. We don't consume women the way
we consume men. When it comes to sports.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Asia and Donna the reason I started watching women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yea, Asia is to me the greatest to me, and
that and that and that and that says a lot
she and she's so humble with it though that's why
we're not paying it. She's so humble with it and that,
and I'm just like, she's the She's the greatest. I
don't know what juju will be. I don't want to
put that on her. I think Juju's Juju Watkins is
gonna I think she's gonna be something super special. I
think this. I think this class Page Beckers who's at Yukon,
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I think she's gonna be special. What Page is gonna
do because she has a black stepmother. What she is
going to do is be able to kill this narrative
of black versus white. Because when she got up at
the SP's and said, I just want to give a
special shout out to black women. To me, I understood
that she knew her assignment. She sees that sometimes these
black women in this sport have been ignored. Look, seventy
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five percent are lbgt QIA. You can't market that to
Middle America. So that's why it was so hard for
the WNBA to take off. So then you have this,
this this white Catholic woman who comes in from Iowa,
and it felt more comfortable to watch for the masses
and I would look seventy I think I'm back and forth.
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Regardless of what the number is, the majority is and
it's hard to market that to a country that doesn't
want to deal with that. Right, it's hard to market that,
and not to me, but for them, it was hard
and This is where two things where the w NBA
needs to embrace it. They need to embrace who these
women are, what their sexuality is, how they live their lives.
They also need to get them some security. And they
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can't make one person be the main person because that
causes resentment and strife, and so they need to really
this league is growing overnight and the w NBA needs
to figure it out quickly.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's growing so fat.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I mean, think about last year, not the WNBA, but
the Women's college basketball NCAA Finals between Iowa and South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Nineteen someone million people watch.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
More than the men. They didn't they didn't expect.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
They expect they heard of And at the time when
when Angel Reese beat Iowa and LSU beat Iowa, it
was nine point nine million people at the time, that
was the largest thing I'd ever seen. And and not
for nothing. You know, Camlin Clark, they had this exhibition
game her senior year, going into her senior year, they
played basketball in a football and at football stadium. Fifty
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five thousand people showed up to watch to play basketball.
Fifty five thousand people showed up to watch women play sports.
That's crazy, it's it's I mean, we're in a different
We're in a different world right now. By the time
your children are ready to go pro and play and play,
and your girls are ready to play, they gotta make money.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Yeah, and you got phenomenally Like you said, you got
Page coming, you got Juju coming, you got all these
crooks at Iowa State, you got Malaysia for a whilely
at Talien.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
She's she's special, beast, a beast. There are so many
great players and we're and they've been there. The product
has already always been there. We just now started paying attention.
We just started that. So it's something special and everybody
watches women's sports. That's not just cliche. Shout out to
my girl, just Sein Brown, who came up with that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So what do you see them NBA five years from now?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I see I see more money. I see it competing
in a real way with the NBA. I say that
only because of those two women in that storyline. The
storyline will be will be a trope for another couple
of years because it's interesting and people are compelled to
pay attention to it. And you love to pick a side.
But I also know that on Football Sunday, when Caitlin
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Clark was playing in the playoffs on a football Sunday.
Her game against the Connecticut Son literally average one point
two million viewers on a football Sunday. You mean to
tell me people weren't watching football. They went to turn
to watch women's basketball, not men's basketball. A playoff game,
the first round. It's it's it's it's a wrap. This
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is this is the future. So so be prepared, and
anybody listening, make sure your daughter can play sports, because
she gonna take care of y'all. It'll be the daughter
with who's buying a house. And we'll hear those stories. Well,
hear the story I bought my mama house, I bought
my mama car. Through school, I went back to I
went back to my favorite high school, and I gave
everybody scholarships. The stories that we hear and see will
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be for for for men. For the men will be
the stories that we hear and see for the women.
These these rappers will be talking about these women. These
women will have big, major, major deals when it comes
to marketing. They won't be sitting in the back. And
it won't be just because they are cute. It will
be because I'm old enough to remember five years ago.
When they talked about women, it was always who's the hottest.
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When they talk about women in sports, it was who's
the hottest. It was never who was the best on
the courter, who was the best playing tennis? It was
like who look good? Serena made all that attention, although
she was great. But the catsuit, we all remember that catsuit,
that black catsuit. We only sexualized.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I used to have that picture hanging up in it.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Remember when she was because she was she had she
was hitting there was I had an action shot where
she had the tennis racket and she was about to
hit the ball.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I used to have it hanging up, hanging up she
was about to hit the ball.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
No, I hadn't hanging up in why Serena was amazing?
I had the top five list it was remember but
it was Serena, Patti LaBelle, Kelly Roling, Okay, Jennifer low Pezant,
Stacy dash my point.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The hottest, the hottest. That's all they used to be.
They were sexualized and thought they were listen, listen. He
would like, day, I love that, I love oh, I
love the way she hit the ball. Soon in the
service crazy it was the first the immediate thought is
that she's bad. She's bad, bad, and that's fine because
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that's how men see women. I understand that. But soon
it'll be like, what's her game?
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I promise you this conversation about what they look like
will always still be there because men are men. But
the reality is the skill set will be the first thing.
When you think about Caitlin Clark. You're not looking at
her like, are you bad? You're not thinking that at all.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
You think Kaylen Clark's age thing.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
You know, if you ever know me that you try
to do a.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
White woman, Yeah, that's what said.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Absolutely not Now you don't like white women.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Now, don't you can't even anybody gonna believe that one.
You can say that all day. Ain't nobody even gonna
believe that.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Okay, she loves you, she loves Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
She had Travis Kelsey at her. I used to and
califlay exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
So you try to throw that one on me and
it back fire.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
White man would have been yeah, but no, Travis. Everybody
gets a Travis thing. We don't not anymore, but everybody
gets the Travis because he has swag. Swag. It wasn't
not that he was attractive.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
He just has I'm confused now what he had because
it went away so fast.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
White love him. She want to love the jack so bad.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Little just now Edge you like white Man too?
Speaker 7 (40:21):
No, I don't, I don't, I mean I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, no fans White Man.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
She's single.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Oh I was single last time you was here.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But you you got some booze now, right, So what
are the dms like?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Now?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Are they worthy? Because I want to give you some advice.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
I feel like even if they it's a little hard
to navigate sometimes because like, where did you come from?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And why?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Sometimes there's a there's a lot of yeah, there's no cheer.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Yeah, And I could tell that in the conversation because
it'll go from you know, like that they'll bring the
jokes from the show into the d M and all that,
and then it'll go to oh because jokes the single,
it'll be like, oh, single, leave you alone, the ones
that's world saises.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Don't bring that up because I know.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You don't shave on your arms.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
One on one arm pitch. She came and hit one
day and had hair on the one arm pit. It
was crazy, carry it was insane. Yeah, that's when.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
I was moving and grooving. I'm not you know, I'm
not worried about anything, but you know something that.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, First of all, my advice would be have a
little fun. Try try try to go with that that like,
you know, that's that've been on my list. I've been
on my hit list.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You've been having fun for a long time.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
First of all, m v no, I have not have fun.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
But you know, don't don't go too crazy. Not too
crazy because they'll put your business in the street's business.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
They work with women.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
They are they'll put your business in and they lie.
They lie man, y'all lie, y'all, stay lying on y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You can't wait to say. They hit Lauren a little
hand on one, but was appreciate.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Make sure some ve to the making of a rivalry
podcast Caitlyn Clark Brusus injuries on the blackpeck Ieart Radio
podcast network. It will be a documentary soon, documentary audio
documentary now.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
But we put it out there.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And are you stay in New York? You want come
up here once a year?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I can? I try to come All the time I've
been trying to get this one. I'll be like, okay,
let me call it Eddie again. Damn the white white can.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Come up anything you want to. Very busy, you carry.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
On CNN and all kinds of things booked and busy.
But I'll be back. I love talking about it's very comfortable.
Shout out to everybody who's listening, please go pay attention
to this. I'm seriously just as the docuseries a special.
I'm so proud of it. Like I've done a lot
of stuff, this is one I'm loud of. I'm really
really proud of it because we talk about everything and
it's just beautiful. Y'all beautiful. Thank you for supporting.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
You have your coffee next time to Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Shout out to Brandon who didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
He loves white and that's a black man that looks
white women. It's Carrie Champion.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
Feeling in for Jess while she's on maternity leaving.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,
Harry Champion. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 5 (00:18):
All right?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm so happy. I just would like to say, you
guys need better customer service.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
So I came in? Well, first of all, I was
told they told me to come an hour ago.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right, you was here an hour ago?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Yeah, just real it was the time.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, she was. She was sitting there for a hour.
You had to wait for an hour.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I don't know what I was doing. That's crazy good correct.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nobody said that didn't happen.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
No, that definitely happened.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
That definitely happened. Then I sat down and somebody's like,
do you need anything? I was like, yeah, I need
some coffee. And then I never and that somebody is
the person by the name of Brandon. Who's Brandon?
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Brandon is a young man from Ghana who works and
he's a producer. He don't like black women. He likes
white woman.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh, so I could explain it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
So if I was white, I would have definitely probably.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Had Karen Champion. You'd have got your call, Karen Champion.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Karen would got the coffee. Carrien didn't get the coffee.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
La? You look great?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
See you again again and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Two lives back to back. You've bene told in this
studio that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What's up with.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Why? Why? Why to stop your Julia, don't look and
he's stopping it right now. You fine, period, you fine?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Carry is the host of the necond podcast.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
You're back for the fourth season on The Black Effect
iHeart Radio podcast Network, and this season is a little different, Yeah,
because you have the making of a rivalry podcast, Caitlyn
Clark versus Angelies.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Why are you putting the women against each other?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I knew you was gonna say that, Okay, So well,
first off, then here's the thing that I saw. I
call a friend of mine, a little short man, and
I go, hey, short man, I want to do this idea.
And I think it's great. I said, everybody thinks that
these two ladies don't like each other. And in the
way we work. We see the world through our own lens.
So if you're black, I'm rying with angel and if you're white,
I'm right when Kaitlyn, I don't care what anybody says.
(01:55):
I felt that as opposed to just letting these women
play ball, and I said, rivalry is not a bad thing,
and everybody comparing it to magic and bird and I'm like,
that was a good thing, right. It helped the NBA.
That's the reason why the finals were no longer delayed.
They were live, And I was like, this is a
good thing. The WNBA has always been great, but they
needed these supernovas to bring people to the WNBA to
pay attention to see how special they were. They already
(02:16):
had Asia, they already had all these great people, Candice
Briana Stewart. I can go down the list of all
these great players. But for whatever reasons, this storyline was
so compelling and I and my argument is this country
is just built on race. So if you have black
versus white and anything, I'm locked in. Anybody's locked in
because you want to pick a side, and you want
to put all your tropes on whomever's the person you
(02:36):
decided to vote for. Or ride with I'm referring to
the election, and so my mind is, why don't we
talk about the making of a rivalry and how this
is really something special and how it's about to take
women's sports to a whole new level. And my man says, yes,
great genius. And so what I found out by doing
this docu series is six parts. We have six episodes
that were doing in real time while the WNBA playoffs
(02:59):
are happening, and soon we'll be into the finals. And
it's been a ride, and it's been really good and special.
I think we are I think we're doing it for
the culture. I think I'm learning a lot about how
people see women who play sports. And I also know
that I had to really talk about what I felt
because I know I was riding with Angel too, right,
So what do you feel, like?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What have you learned?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Because I mean you already were all in, you very
educated on the subject, But what did you learn new
that might have changed your perspective a little bit?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Like, you know what, I do root for Caitlyn as well.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Really, I like Kaitlyn. I think Caitlyn's a great I
think she's a baller. I think she just wants to
play what I do. What I don't like is how
some people in the media, some of my colleagues, are like,
how come she not, you know, denouncing racism, and how
come she's not? And I'm like, she will when she learns.
How long does it take a woman to find her
voice in this world? She grew up in Iowa, She's
twenty two years old. I'm not caping for but I'm like,
(03:48):
she didn't have the experience to speak on that. Remember
when Lebron wasn't speaking on Black Lives Matter and all
these other issues, and they held them accountable and he
finally said, Okay, I have something to say. You got
to be educated and you got to be comfortable before
you start talking about it. And she's getting there and
she'll be even better as as the years come along.
But I didn't like that. I also didn't like how
they treated Angel. Angel had the best moment of her life,
(04:11):
the best moment of her life. The crowning achievement is
to win a championship. And when she won this championship,
all these new fans and all these new analysts wouldn't
even celebrate this queen. She had to deal with all
this vitrioll and hate and death threats, and all she
did was say, I'm about to get a ring. You
can't see me. The reality is is that they have
(04:32):
been whoever anybody wanted them to be before they walked
on that stage. Like, as a white woman, we already
define who you are. As a black woman, we already
define who you are. And what I mean by we
is society. They come from two different worlds, they live
two different lives. They are who they are. Their talent
is who they are. So she grew up in Baltimore,
So angels gonna talk talk trash. Caitlin talks trash too,
(04:56):
just differently. And you ever remember let's talk about your
tire cowboys. You ever remember that time a long time ago, Bryant.
This is when Tony Romo tired Tony Romo. It was
quarterback and des Brian is trying to hype him up,
like we can do this, we can do this. And
you're on the sideline and he talking to him with
all this energy, and you hear the commentator saying, oh boy,
Dez is mad. Look at death. He's so mad y
(05:17):
and he's yelling at Tony, and Tony was like, no, actually,
he was trying to hype me up. He was telling
me that we got this, we can win this game.
Now when Tom Brady would sit on the sideline and
throw his helmet and cuts everybody out. Yeah, Tom's really
frustrated with the gamesting what's going on. And we do that, me, media,
everybody does that, And so I am. I'm finding out
(05:39):
that I have my own bias, I have my own attitude.
I even cover the game differently, even.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
With white tears.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Don't move you listen at all, Thank you very much.
But my point is we have to stop doing that,
like media has to stop doing that. I think the
way that the fans are watching this game, they shouldn't
do that. And I think what I'm finding out in
this podcast is that most of us don't like to
see women compete like athletes. Women can't be on the
court trash talking. We can't be in your face. But
(06:06):
it's quite all right to do it in the NBA.
We can do it in the NBA. We can't do
it in the w NBA. And it makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I want to ask you something about the WNBA thing.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Well, just really, Caitlyn and Angel, are they required to
talk about anything other than basketball. Do we need them
to do we need Kaitlyn or Angel to speak out
about anything, racism, sexism?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Do we need them to I don't know if we
need them to listen. We in this world we live
in today, you don't have that luxury. I think sports,
politics and culture all intersect. That's what we're doing on
Naked Sports. Sports, politics and culture intersect. And especially in
a w NBA that's been dealing with racism since its inception,
you have to talk about it so now you can't
hide it. You have these two big stars and they
(06:45):
are talking about it, so you can't hide it. It's
been happening. But now we have these two stars and
they're talking about it, and they're not letting you get
away with it. You have to. Unfortunate, you don't want
to talk about certain things, but you have to. You
have a voice. I should tell you that a long
time ago.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't want to talk about it home.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm makeing up something right now. My point is is
that you are required when you have a response. Look,
with great responsibility comes great pressure and vice versa. You
have to be able to stand in your feet and say,
this is what's happening. And this is what these ladies
have to do, whether they want to talk about it
or not.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What do you think about their first season, both both
their rookie seasons.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I think Kaitlyn was I think she was not playing
well when she first started. I think there was a
lot of hype, but I think she figured it out.
I think she is a generational talent.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I think Kaitlin when they didn't take her to the Olympics,
she got in the gym, she got in the lab.
She came back better than ever. She took this team
that had never been to the playoffs within the last
ten years. She took up straight to the playoffs. They
I mean out the first round. But that's a remarkable turnaround.
She didn't do it alone. She had a Leah Boston
and other players, but what she was able to do
for that team was transcended. And then, as far as
Angel's concerned, this is a thing. They both are so
(07:49):
good in college and everybody's like, oh, they go they're
not gonna they rookie year. It's not gonna be this,
It's not gonna be that. They rookie year. They answered
every single call everyone thought they'd be average, were more
than average, over exceed the expectations. They weren't nervous. They
got there. They were like, this is my stage and
what not thinking twice? Angel goes to the med Gala,
then returns and then puts up another record breaking rebound
(08:11):
day a game and I'm like, wait a second, she's
not this is who she is, this is what they do.
They're not bothered by these like all the spotlights. Back
in the day the w n b A. In my opinion,
I felt like the women were I feel like they
were quiet. I feel like they felt like they had
to be a certain way. And these ladies don't even
know what that means. This generation don't know what that means.
(08:31):
I'm showing up.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
What you said is very important because back in the
day that maybe it was just as good, but for
whatever reason, they didn't have a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Voice they did.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I would interview these women, I'd be like, tell me something,
and they'd say what they thought they had to say. Yeah,
they're not doing that now, which I love and that
makes the game so compelling and that's why everybody's paying it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And now when you know Sheryl swoops, she was like
I know she had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Hell you know, they had something to say, but it
was new, and it's it's twenty eight years young, it's
still very young. And I and this is around the
same time if we even look at history, about thirty
years into the NBA, that's exactly around the same time
that the NBA started to do well and people could
see the profit in the NBA, not the ABA, but
the NBA when it merged. And it takes a while
(09:13):
for everybody to find their footing and what the foundation
is and what it looks like. So the problem now
not even the problem. They have to in the WNBA
right now, they have to address the racism. Charlotte disagrees
with me on this, and I want to get your thoughts.
He's like, it's the price of being famous, price of success.
It's the price of success. He's saying. The woman just
(09:33):
have to deal with it like that. It just comes
to the territory of making money.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Do you agree with that when it comes to the racism. Yeah,
absolutely too.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Why, I mean, because how do you get around it?
How do you not?
Speaker 7 (09:44):
And especially and you said, in the world we live
in today, If you don't, people create a narrative, and
then you got to fight back against that, so you
kind of like fuck yourself over a bit.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So you're just sending to put your head down.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
No, no, no, I'm saying they need to deal with
it like they have to do. It's not put your
head down it.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Let's be clear, because you know they'll take this out
of context. It's not just the racism. It's the heckling. Right,
So it's the heckling, it's the people outside your hotel.
It's all of that comes with being successful.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
But that's two separate conversations. And to be clear, I'm
not saying put your head down. Just deal with it.
I mean deal with it, like say something. But with
the heckling and stuff like that, I think there's an
even trade because sometimes people they like when the NBA
players do it, it's a topic. It kind of adds
character to a player. But I can understand him being like,
just don't even address it. But when the NBA players
(10:30):
do it, people talk about it as if it's a
great thing. So why can't they one a bit?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, but you call bitch niggas all day, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
But it's different with a girl even watching.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
So here's different with the double standard that I that
I brought up to Charlotte Mane. He was like, the
men deal with it all the time. I agree, they
do deal with it. And now they've gotten to the
point we've seen Lebron and Russell Westbrook point out the
player and say you have to Caitlyn did that in
her second game of the playoffs. She was like, this
one right here, loved it. Yeah to go, I agree
with that, But this double standard where the women should
(11:04):
and it's a different double standard. The women should just
deal with it because the men just deal with it.
It doesn't hit the same way, does it. No, it
doesn't hit the same way.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Because the NBA stars at w NBA stars, they are athletes,
they're on that platform. They're gonna be called a whole
bunch of things like Charla and myself called a whole
bunch of things.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You called you're a fragle maggot. Don't say that, guys,
you don't want to know.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
It's a word.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
That is that what Donnelle bard in another day?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You stop demon baby oil anyway, go ahead, continue Fragle man.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
As I was saying, I think if you put anybody
into that celebrity light, they have to deal with it.
Whether you're a boxer, whether you're a baseball player, whether
you're a it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Matter who you are. So you're still a celebrity. You
have to do it. Laura has to deal with it now.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Yeah, but it's still different because as a woman, there
are different things that people throw on me that like,
I don't want on me. As a man, y'all don't
get that like that is true. So how do you
want to tell a woman that it's not true? For instance,
right if you're.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Out, you're saying the things that I wouldn't want on me.
There's plenty of things you can say to a man.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'm not saying that you don't want it on you.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
What I'm saying is that regardless if you want on
you or not, you can react in people champion you,
and if you don't react, it's like, oh, he's he's
used to his celebrity.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
If a woman chooses.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
To not react, it's like it's going to keep going
to a point where it will it becomes her and
she has no defense against it because she hasn't said anything.
But then if she says something, it's like she thinks
she is you.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
You're damned if you do, you damned if it's not
the same for men. And that is that is the truth.
That is a true statement. And so you you all
live in a different world. It's truly a man's world.
The older I get, the more I realize that, I'm like, damn,
y'all go, you.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Gotta navigate, Like even in this room, there are certain
things that you guys can do and say very confidently
that even if I confidently do and say, people just
take it differently.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Nothing's a god that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
You can say confidently that we can't say.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, yeah, maybe the topic when you talk about and things,
if we say it wrong, especially when it comes to women. Women,
if we say it wrong, we're in trouble. But you
can say whatever you want about men. And that's how
the show old.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think we're going. We're taking a confidence somewhere that
ain't true.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
All I'm simply saying it is all I'm simply saying
about the WNBA or anybody that's successful. There is no
defense to it, meaning that these people can say whatever
they want about us and there's nothing we can do
about it. Like literally, we can we can speak out
against it. We can, you know, say that's wrong, but
it's not going to stop it. So you gotta find
ways to not let it affect you and not affect
(13:32):
your gain.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I agree with that, but here's where we draw the line.
Caitlin has said as well. Angel has been very vocal
about this. On our podcast, Angel Rey says, they followed
me home. There's death threats. There's now I'm not saying
there's not death threats for the men, but there is
a certain level of vitriol that a black woman gets
for being comfortable in her own skin and being unapologetic.
(13:53):
I can't even describe it, and I think I'm not
a black man, so I wouldn't know how to relate
to what the vituo all you would get would be.
But for a woman being confident and comfortable in her
own skin, especially a black woman, a black woman, there's
something so very frightening about it. Look at look at
the election, and Kamala walked over there and shook Donald
Trump's hand in his space and was like, what's up?
(14:15):
Do you know how many people were like, how dare she?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
That's what she wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
That's what she won to us. That's when she won
to geeve the optics. He was afraid of her. And
and you know what's scary because he knows she tells
she's intelligent, she's smart, and she's ready, And that's exactly
what Angel is. Intelligence, smart, and she's ready, and she's unapologetic.
And that is for rightening on a different level. And
there's absolutely no respect for her because of the fact
(14:39):
that she does that. And so there is some times,
in my opinion that enough is enough. You're following me
home because I because I was trash talking. I agree
with that, but I don't necessarily know, and and and
and and this is one thing that I will say,
I'm sure other players have dealt with that, Like what
Lebron went through when he decided to leave Cleveland and
(15:01):
go to Miami. I'm sure it was a whole other level.
Like let's just let's be real, Like the way that
he dealt with that was probably better than anybody could
have dealt with that. And I don't even think I
didn't eve think anybody in the WNBA has been experienced
what he probably had to deal with, but his level
of success because of his level of success, but there
is something like, you, look, the w NBA needs to
invest in more security. They need to have a no
(15:22):
nonsense policy. They need to have a commissioner who talks
about this and say we won't tolerate this, although it
will happen.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Angel have to invest in her own persons.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
She has to invest in her own personal security. And
and Caitlin Clark. I think when she's comfortable, we'll be
able to talk about this in a way that says,
don't put this on me, don't let me, don't this
is not about what I want to do. Don't put
your tropes, your beliefs on me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
But that's if the salaries can support it as well.
Like they're not getting played like paid like NBA players,
So if she can't afford a full time security, that's
a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
YEA, you're right, but they're making money. But I do
feel like making money.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Yeah, but even to your point, I think WNBA should
provide security even outside of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I agree, especially for their top level challenges.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm surprised they.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Put them on I'm happy they put them on private
planes so they don't have to be the airport with
people harassing intail.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It started with Britney Grinder. They had to they were
rolling up on Brittany mad at her saying she wasn't
a patriot. They were upset at her because she came
home first. And so they have to do that. And unfortunately, uh,
there is some onus on the NBA as well. They
work together. They should be able to give them money
to Hammy, let me hold something and let this get
in and let's figure this out. And so I just
I do understand what you're saying. As a woman. It's
(16:30):
a different level of response. It's a different it hits differently.
You can't say you damned if you do, damned if
you don't, you really are so. And so I do
believe there needs to be some type of security in
place for all of these women. But now we're getting
into a whole nother level. And I don't necessarily agree
that just because they're famous they have to just take it.
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I mean you kind of do, because what are we
supposed to do? Like, what are you supposed to do?
When you're like, what is super supposed to do?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
What is Lebron supposed to do? What is what he's
supposed to.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sign up for?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
It's not right, it's right, but there's really no defense
against it, Like, what do you do somebody gets on
the platform and says something crazy about you.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You consume if you want.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I don't mind you talking bad about me. I don't
mind you heckling hackling me either, Right, But the reality
is is that this has been an issue for a
very long time and they've never addressed it.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
The baby just left here, right, he said, what the
baby shot somebody because they came on his property. That
the guy wanted to perform.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
For the baby.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
That's the price of being the baby. My therapist told
me that a long time ago. My therapist said, you
can't have you know your your success without having your problems.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It just comes with it. Why I hate that. It's
like it.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Charlamagne got beat up, pushed in the back of the head,
everybody laughed. Charlamagnet got got beat up again in front
of a.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And it beat inside of a bow day.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
It's not true, but I beat the ship out that
young man.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I don't know if he was young or old the
first time.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Mae, somebody they tried to jump you out. That's about
But nobody felt bad for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They should.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They should.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
The guys the drugs do I beat the ship out
of them. The other one they pushed me in the
back of the head.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Nothing, I ran, he ran into the station.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
But that was a different kind of that was just
what he was.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
A bad guy. He was the bad guy self proclaimed.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
That's apples an orgious basketball, But.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That doesn't.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Was it a mistake? Is it a mistake for Angel
Reese to call herself the villain?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
No? She well, she walked it back. She said, Look,
I've been trying to I've tried to own the narrative
and take this, but I refuse to take it. She
was like, I'm not built for this. Was everybody's not
built for that. And by the way, what black woman
isn't a villain when she's comfortable in her own skin
and speaking up against what's not right. Everybody makes black
women a villain when they're comfortable. You know this, I'm
not making this up. We're looking at Kamalas. She's smart,
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she's intelligent, and all of a sudden, she's the back.
How is she a bad guy in a race? Is
a bad person in the race?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She's not me?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You pussy? How was she?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
And Trump is like a total And that's what I'm
saying by I know that there's no defense to it,
but sometimes it's okay to if you decide to do
whatever you think is the defense, react to it because
you literally cannot win.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Because when you're a woman, you're the bad guy.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
You don't get the like TOADD, you're the out here,
you're doing well, you're.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Speaking for yourself. We don't get that.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
It's different for us. And I don't know why it's
like that, and I don't know if it's ever gonna change, but.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I get what you.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I think we're having two different conversations. I'm just talking
about when you are a successful person, this comes with it,
all of the bullshit, all of the talking ship harassment,
all of this.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I agree, and you and you and after a while,
when the beginning it hurts, right, don't care no more? Yeah, Okay,
what I only day white man. Okay, I got it. Okay,
what I'm an angry black woman, Okay, I got it.
I'm just saying about.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Get them online. One. I don't want to have this intervention.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Invention. My point is is that there will be a
narrative that follows you no matter what, and you take it. No,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
You started why would you the first thing you.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Said, day black Man, I date black Man. I believe you,
thank you? You see how you see.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We talk about carry heard the w NBA played the game.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I did do that?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Show me the pop?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What's that young lady name?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I'm not going to say because I did not. I'm
not gonna say.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
So.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I'm sitting let me tell you. I'm sitting courtside, minding
my own business. Charlot Mane like you over there looking
six eight? How tall are you? What are you doing? It?
Just so happens one of the ladies tumbled from the
Las Vegas Aces in front of where I was sitting,
and I was just looking and it was sad.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
You hit her head on Carrie's boot. Look had that
boot courtside? Carry over there sitting like a big old nigga,
legs open. You know what I'm saying, hands between the lever.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It takes for the liberty to win. I'm like, who
is carry.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Wanting to fight?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
What's going on? But why was you sitting like this?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
You have to why why carry that?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
From Kanyak?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I did not have an Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The first thing he came in to say. He was like,
look at Carrie she had.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
She's sitting like a.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Nigg You got your legs up and you send like
a man. Who do you think he is? And I
was like wait everyone, no, no.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
When I saw the picture, I was like, did Carry
has to play sport?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I thought.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I was like, did she's playing basketball or something?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Because I was like, am I looking like a man? Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Tell me?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I was First of all, I was in the zone.
I was in the zone. I was watching the game.
That's how people watch the game. And you're up here
like I look like a man. I was like, is
that roote?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I don't know why you can sit in a friend
talking bad about me all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
He was like, I was in the group chat. They
said you was fine. I said I heard she was
a man. I was just like, why do you do that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What you said?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
That? Not that? Not on this day. I will come
over there.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I heard her name Carl. Leave it alone.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I have a question, like Carry is an example of
what I what she's talking about, because it's like Carrie
walks in the room.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
She just has a correct right.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
It's not because she's just tall, it's just because she
really has a presence. I can see how that can
intimidate some people.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I and you know what I said, and make people uncomfortable.
I know. I agree. I said, I feel it when
I feel it, and it's a it's not a cocky thing.
I just feel it. When I walk in the room,
people stop, they pay attention, they look, and it makes
people uncomfortable. I understand that, but it's just who I am.
It's my my level of comfort wherever I'm at. I'm
at home in my body wherever I'm at. And so
I get why you said that, and that's why he said,
are you six foot eight? And I'm like, no, I'm
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just fite ten.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
But it's not a size thing though, Like like when
Stephanie Mills walks in the room, you just feel it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Do you feel it and you either are comfortable with
it or you're not comfortable with it? You can relate, No,
she can't.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
When did you get comfortable with it? At what age
did you get comfortable with it? Because because Stephanie said
she didn't get it, tell she was fifty.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Five, Oh wow, I probably say within probably when I
was like thirty five, I just knew But first of all,
I look, this does sound crazy, and y'all and you
and you, everybody in this room can relate to this.
I hope way you ever felt like you were just
special on set apart absolutely from seven years old. Seven
years old, I was like, oh, I'm different, and I
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didn't know what that meant or felt like. And I've
just I've walked in that ever since until you realize, oh,
this is what that means. And people resent you for it,
people love you for it, people hate you for it.
And that's what we're dealing with. Caitlyn and Angel. They're
just different. And of course there are players in the league.
I'm not saying anybody hates them. But you can't decide
who will be the super nova. You can't decide who's
going to be the person that carries us into a
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different stratosphere. It just happens. It's something that is destined
it to what it is. You couldn't tell me Breakfast
Club would not be the voice of the people. And
then also elevate into more things like it just happens.
You were assigned. You were assigned, You were assigned. It
is what it is. And so once you realize that
you've already felt it. I felt it since I was
a kid, and I knew what it was, but I
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was just like, Okay, what does this look like? What
am I going to do with it? And these two
ladies are learning to deal with that. They know they're assigned,
they know they're special, they know they set apart, and
they also know that people resent them because there are
the folks that were before them that actually laid the foundation,
the don State, Lisa Chryl Swoops, the canvas Parkers. The
less you can go down the list of women who
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really put this league in its place and put it
put it literally on the map, but you can't assign
who's going to be the super nova to take us
to that next level. And it just so happens that
it's a woman by the name of Caitlyn Clark and
Angel Reese. And that story is so damn compelling. Black
versus white.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I mean, that story sells regardless.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean even in boxing, when you look at boxing
any when it's when it's race, I think I think
it's sales regardless.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
People want to rep their race.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Taylor Swift and Beyonce we that's our next episode. Our
next episode is about the rivalry or the perceived rivalry
goes beyond sport. Find me any black and white version,
and people are going to compare because that's what people do,
and they have to tell you one is better than
the other. But both of those ladies were assigned. They're
special and set apart in their own world, powerful, but
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people still want to put them in verses and want
to say one is better than the other.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Your lifelong Lakers fan, so you've seen the Lakers Celtics rivalry.
What makes this Caitlin Angel thing similar to Magic and
Bird outside of the race thing?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Like, just what is it?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Well, they don't play the same position, So I do
want to say that because I hear a lot of
players say they don't play the same position, So why
is there a rivalry. It's a rivalry because of right,
But it's a rivalry because well, and that was what
they were more, they were more equivalent. Caitlin right now
is all offense. She is spectacular and she's always going
to be more dynamic in the sense that offense gets
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people in the stands, it makes people pay attention. She
is shooting from the logo and it's crazy, it's insane.
What she can do when she really gets in her zone.
And what Angel is doing, I think it's different. While
she's good on defense and she'll get our offensive game
together eventually, what she is doing, she's doing something that
we haven't seen, in my opinion, a w NBA player do,
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or a black female athlete do, in a very long time.
She's getting a little to come to the games. Megdae
Stallion is talking about what she wants to do. She's
at the met Gala. She's living in the world. They're
rapping about her, akin to Drake rapping about Lebron. She
has She's done something that hasn't been done before and
she I don't even know if she's aware of it.
Even Serena, I love that people talked about that wasn't
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happening with Lisa Leslie. Not that way, not in that way.
Like these are her people. She's kicking it with Megan,
she's taking away podcast like they are her people, they
are her friends. She has all the influence around, influencers
around her, and they want to be around her. We've
seen that happen. Athletes want to be ballers, and ballers
want to be athletes. We've only seen that with men.
We haven't seen that with women, especially not a black woman. Serena.
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I'll give her because she was popular and she had
a lot of people, but it was tennis and she
and she did bring all the stars, so look you
get you know, apples and oranges. She did bring a
lot of stars to the game. But I truly, honestly
believe for a w NBA player, a black woman, to
have this effect in the culture. She is the culture.
She's representing the culture. She girl, she'd a high girl.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
You can't she got it. She's on assignment.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I had to ask them when it happened. Would love
to hear what you had to say about it. Like
when she had to sit out for the rest of
the season, does that affect because I mean she has
all that, but like she's not playing the game for
the rest of the season, so that does that affect
what she was doing?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Or like what will happen moving forward?
Speaker 4 (27:17):
No, she they have a truncated season. Anyway, I think
fat is she would have continued to play, maybe the
Chicago Sky would have made it to the playoffs. But
she made a smart decision in my in my opinion,
which is to take care of herself now so she
can come back stronger than ever. It doesn't affect her,
it did affect the rookie race in some capacity. I
thought Kaylen Clark was going to be Rookie of the
Year anyway. I just thought she was.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Beau know that Reese had a great first half. Yeah,
I just think Kaitlyn's first half.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Was kind of it was, but it balanced out because one,
not only did she take her team to the playoffs
that hadn't been in like ten years, Caitlyn she requires
something more. You can't really defend a shot like when
they were like triple teaming her and double teaming her.
She figured it out. She just figured it out. And that,
to me, for a rookie is really special because how
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many times have we heard about rookies in the NBA
They're gonna be it, They're gonna be how many rookies
have been it? When you start looking at these rookies
and you're like, who's who's really it? Lebron right after Lebron,
who was a rookie that was it? Name one after Lebron,
who lived all the hype after.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
After Lebron, nobody need the.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Number one pick who lived up to all the hype
after Lebron.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Nobody, you don't look at me.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
It took them.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
It takes them a couple of years to figure it out.
It's a different league. But if we're just doing athletes
on athletes, I'm just saying, let's talk about it. It's
a different league. Obviously different requirements, but it look but
it took a minute. Everybody thought Zion was gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What about Ion was victim?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Kind of still special, average, still special, but he wouldn't
given everybody the business. Yeah, and that's why I was
mad when people were like, they're jealous of her, and
we heard all these the man the men explaining that
the women were jealous of Kaitlyn. I was like, but
what about when everybody was going to Lebron's head? When
you are, when you are the most sought after, the
most talked about, I have to Okay, well, welcome to
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the league. Let me show you what this is. Kennas
Parker her We always give this, always give this example.
Cannas Parker's rookie year. She got a two piece. They
had her on the ground. They were beating her, like
literally trying to beat her up. And it was benches.
Everybody got off the benches, Lisa Leslie got pushed down.
No one ever talked about it. And then you're talking
about Kaitlyn Clark and you're like, oh, they poked her
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in the eye, they stabbed her in the eye. Oh
they they're just so mean to her. What game have
you been watching? These ladies? Ball a ball a ball
And you even said that you were watching. You were like,
this game is good.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I mean I watched it on television, but going
to the Liberty.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
And A game, it was like, Wow, it's a whole
new thing. I enjoyed it thoroughly, like in a lot
of ways more than the men's.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Game a lot of ways because because.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
They're so fundamentally sound that.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
They know the basics and they and everyone said, oh,
they don't dunk, and they and then so when Caitlyn
started to shoot, like Steph, you didn't have that excuse
anymore to say you weren't watching the game.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And that's the new dunk. The logo three is the
new dunk anyway, So what it is?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Steph? I used to say this and still believe the
reason why Steph Curry is the most impactful player the
NBA has ever seen is because he made everybody believe.
He made the average kid in the backyard shoots from
the logo believe that they could do it. I don't
have to be six foot eight, I don't have to
be built like Lebron. I don't have to dunk. If
I can choot from here, I can be like Steph.
That is why people love Kaylyn Clark's game, because they believe, oh,
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I can do that. Little girls are at home watching.
I'm sitting next to this little girl right now. This
little girl at the game last the other night was like,
oh wow, like so like and you know why she's
watching because when she saw Kayln Clark out there, she
could relate. She was like, because I don't know if
I'm ever gonna be Asia Wilson's height. But and by
the way, everyone's tall. I mean Steph is tall, Caitlyn's tall.
But they don't feel unattainable. It feels like it's not aspirational.
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It's like, I can do that, not six eight six. Correct.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I don't like how you looked at me just now.
You said everybody's tall. You started to say except you,
But do you?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I saw you?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
How tall are you five four far for I'm showing
what I said that to the I told you you're
starting to get hips. I told you that you got
you he got you got hips for I said that
to you. Look at your hips and big.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Beauty you are.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
It's crazy, not even crazy crazy.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
If Caitlyn and Angel are Magic and Bird, who's gonna
be Jordan?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
If I have to say who Jordan is right now
and she's so humble with it, well we don't know
yet she could be, but right now talking about Asia Wilson,
if I had to talk about who, meaning like Asia
is a guaranteed bucket, I know, I know they may
not win this series as we know, and we're watching
their down to nothing. But Asian to me is she
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does it all. She does it all. She's in the paint,
she's defense, she's all. She's literally she's a leader on
that court. She requires more. I'm watching. I'm like, if
you were a man, we'd be talking about this more.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Greatest w NBA player that's playing today. You know, I
love Agan Wilson. I think she's more like Tim Duncan
though why just because she's great on both ends of
the court right and even though her personality is really big. Right,
I'm not talking about it, I'm talking about the way
they play. For whatever reason, you don't appreciate that type
of game. She's so fundamentally sound, dominates on both sides
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of the court. You know she's gonna show up every game,
but it just feels more Tim Duncans.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Tim Duncan is the greatest part for the ball time.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But yeah, he is. But I feel like there's something
more special about her. I but to the point where
Jorge Why.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
We don't think Duncan is special because he beat the Lakers,
That's why.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
No, And because George Duncan is phenomenal for two things, right,
And we got to keep it a buck. You played
for the Spurs, very humble team, very quiet team. He's
a quiet, humble man. You need to you need to
have your tongue hanging out your mouth. You need to
talk a little shit. Yeah, that's why we love Jordan.
Jordan gave us flash, she gave us a show. I
need to be entertained if I'm gonna watch basketball. I'm
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not saying that doesn't mean Tim Duncan isn't that great.
But that's why people forget, That's why they forget about Kareem.
They forget about the greatest man ever who created this guy.
They forget about Kareem in a lot of ways. Absolutely,
And you remember Magic because he was Showtime. The Lakers
created Showtime. That's why you remember Magic over and Magic
is one of your favorite players. Why do we love
Kobe because Kobe was like we knew he was a
dog and he didn't care about nobody. You love that.
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We need both and that, which is unfortunate because it
goes back to my point. Age has that trash talk
in her. She got that dog in her. But we
don't allow women to play sports like men play sports.
We don't allow women. We don't consume women the way
we consume men. When it comes to sports.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Asia and Donna the reason I started watching women's basketball.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yea, Asia is to me the greatest to me, and
that and that and that and that says a lot
she and she's so humble with it though that's why
we're not paying it. She's so humble with it and that,
and I'm just like, she's the She's the greatest. I
don't know what juju will be. I don't want to
put that on her. I think Juju's Juju Watkins is
gonna I think she's gonna be something super special. I
think this. I think this class Page Beckers who's at Yukon,
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I think she's gonna be special. What Page is gonna
do because she has a black stepmother. What she is
going to do is be able to kill this narrative
of black versus white. Because when she got up at
the SP's and said, I just want to give a
special shout out to black women. To me, I understood
that she knew her assignment. She sees that sometimes these
black women in this sport have been ignored. Look, seventy
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five percent are lbgt QIA. You can't market that to
Middle America. So that's why it was so hard for
the WNBA to take off. So then you have this,
this this white Catholic woman who comes in from Iowa,
and it felt more comfortable to watch for the masses
and I would look seventy I think I'm back and forth.
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Regardless of what the number is, the majority is and
it's hard to market that to a country that doesn't
want to deal with that. Right, it's hard to market that,
and not to me, but for them, it was hard
and This is where two things where the w NBA
needs to embrace it. They need to embrace who these
women are, what their sexuality is, how they live their lives.
They also need to get them some security. And they
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can't make one person be the main person because that
causes resentment and strife, and so they need to really
this league is growing overnight and the w NBA needs
to figure it out quickly.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's growing so fat.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
I mean, think about last year, not the WNBA, but
the Women's college basketball NCAA Finals between Iowa and South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Nineteen someone million people watch.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
More than the men. They didn't they didn't expect.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
They expect they heard of And at the time when
when Angel Reese beat Iowa and LSU beat Iowa, it
was nine point nine million people at the time, that
was the largest thing I'd ever seen. And and not
for nothing. You know, Camlin Clark, they had this exhibition
game her senior year, going into her senior year, they
played basketball in a football and at football stadium. Fifty
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five thousand people showed up to watch to play basketball.
Fifty five thousand people showed up to watch women play sports.
That's crazy, it's it's I mean, we're in a different
We're in a different world right now. By the time
your children are ready to go pro and play and play,
and your girls are ready to play, they gotta make money.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Yeah, and you got phenomenally Like you said, you got
Page coming, you got Juju coming, you got all these
crooks at Iowa State, you got Malaysia for a whilely
at Talien.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
She's she's special, beast, a beast. There are so many
great players and we're and they've been there. The product
has already always been there. We just now started paying attention.
We just started that. So it's something special and everybody
watches women's sports. That's not just cliche. Shout out to
my girl, just Sein Brown, who came up with that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So what do you see them NBA five years from now?
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I see I see more money. I see it competing
in a real way with the NBA. I say that
only because of those two women in that storyline. The
storyline will be will be a trope for another couple
of years because it's interesting and people are compelled to
pay attention to it. And you love to pick a side.
But I also know that on Football Sunday, when Caitlin
(37:05):
Clark was playing in the playoffs on a football Sunday.
Her game against the Connecticut Son literally average one point
two million viewers on a football Sunday. You mean to
tell me people weren't watching football. They went to turn
to watch women's basketball, not men's basketball. A playoff game,
the first round. It's it's it's it's a wrap. This
(37:26):
is this is the future. So so be prepared, and
anybody listening, make sure your daughter can play sports, because
she gonna take care of y'all. It'll be the daughter
with who's buying a house. And we'll hear those stories. Well,
hear the story I bought my mama house, I bought
my mama car. Through school, I went back to I
went back to my favorite high school, and I gave
everybody scholarships. The stories that we hear and see will
(37:46):
be for for for men. For the men will be
the stories that we hear and see for the women.
These these rappers will be talking about these women. These
women will have big, major, major deals when it comes
to marketing. They won't be sitting in the back. And
it won't be just because they are cute. It will
be because I'm old enough to remember five years ago.
When they talked about women, it was always who's the hottest.
(38:07):
When they talk about women in sports, it was who's
the hottest. It was never who was the best on
the courter, who was the best playing tennis? It was
like who look good? Serena made all that attention, although
she was great. But the catsuit, we all remember that catsuit,
that black catsuit. We only sexualized.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I used to have that picture hanging up in it.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Remember when she was because she was she had she
was hitting there was I had an action shot where
she had the tennis racket and she was about to
hit the ball.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
I used to have it hanging up, hanging up she
was about to hit the ball.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
No, I hadn't hanging up in why Serena was amazing?
I had the top five list it was remember but
it was Serena, Patti LaBelle, Kelly Roling, Okay, Jennifer low Pezant,
Stacy dash my point.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The hottest, the hottest. That's all they used to be.
They were sexualized and thought they were listen, listen. He
would like, day, I love that, I love oh, I
love the way she hit the ball. Soon in the
service crazy it was the first the immediate thought is
that she's bad. She's bad, bad, and that's fine because
(39:09):
that's how men see women. I understand that. But soon
it'll be like, what's her game?
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I promise you this conversation about what they look like
will always still be there because men are men. But
the reality is the skill set will be the first thing.
When you think about Caitlin Clark. You're not looking at
her like, are you bad? You're not thinking that at all.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
You think Kaylen Clark's age thing.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
You know, if you ever know me that you try
to do a.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
White woman, Yeah, that's what said.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
Absolutely not Now you don't like white women.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Now, don't you can't even anybody gonna believe that one.
You can say that all day. Ain't nobody even gonna
believe that.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Okay, she loves you, she loves Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
She had Travis Kelsey at her. I used to and
califlay exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
So you try to throw that one on me and
it back fire.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
White man would have been yeah, but no, Travis. Everybody
gets a Travis thing. We don't not anymore, but everybody
gets the Travis because he has swag. Swag. It wasn't
not that he was attractive.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
He just has I'm confused now what he had because
it went away so fast.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
White love him. She want to love the jack so bad.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Little just now Edge you like white Man too?
Speaker 7 (40:21):
No, I don't, I don't, I mean I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, no fans White Man.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
She's single.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Oh I was single last time you was here.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But you you got some booze now, right, So what
are the dms like?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Now?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Are they worthy? Because I want to give you some advice.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
I feel like even if they it's a little hard
to navigate sometimes because like, where did you come from?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And why?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:44):
Sometimes there's a there's a lot of yeah, there's no cheer.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Yeah, And I could tell that in the conversation because
it'll go from you know, like that they'll bring the
jokes from the show into the d M and all that,
and then it'll go to oh because jokes the single,
it'll be like, oh, single, leave you alone, the ones
that's world saises.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Don't bring that up because I know.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You don't shave on your arms.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
One on one arm pitch. She came and hit one
day and had hair on the one arm pit. It
was crazy, carry it was insane. Yeah, that's when.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
I was moving and grooving. I'm not you know, I'm
not worried about anything, but you know something that.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, First of all, my advice would be have a
little fun. Try try try to go with that that like,
you know, that's that've been on my list. I've been
on my hit list.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You've been having fun for a long time.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
First of all, m v no, I have not have fun.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
But you know, don't don't go too crazy. Not too
crazy because they'll put your business in the street's business.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
They work with women.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
They are they'll put your business in and they lie.
They lie man, y'all lie, y'all, stay lying on y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You can't wait to say. They hit Lauren a little
hand on one, but was appreciate.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Make sure some ve to the making of a rivalry
podcast Caitlyn Clark Brusus injuries on the blackpeck Ieart Radio
podcast network. It will be a documentary soon, documentary audio
documentary now.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
But we put it out there.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And are you stay in New York? You want come
up here once a year?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I can? I try to come All the time I've
been trying to get this one. I'll be like, okay,
let me call it Eddie again. Damn the white white can.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Come up anything you want to. Very busy, you carry.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
On CNN and all kinds of things booked and busy.
But I'll be back. I love talking about it's very comfortable.
Shout out to everybody who's listening, please go pay attention
to this. I'm seriously just as the docuseries a special.
I'm so proud of it. Like I've done a lot
of stuff, this is one I'm loud of. I'm really
really proud of it because we talk about everything and
it's just beautiful. Y'all beautiful. Thank you for supporting.
Speaker 5 (42:45):
You have your coffee next time to Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Shout out to Brandon who didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
He loves white and that's a black man that looks
white women. It's Carrie Champion.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
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