December 15, 2025 • 35 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, Chris Patrick On Therapy Through Music, Hunger, Honesty, Mafiathon Freestyle. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day a waiting click your ass up the breakfast
club finish for y'all dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show to
Breakfast Club. Charalamaine, the God, Lauren Lroossa, Jess Hilarius, DJ Envy,
but just An Beyond here today. And I'm mad because
you know there's a guy that we have here right now. Man,
he goes by the name of Chris Patrick. Sleuth to
Chris Patrick, how are you? I'm mad because niholosimone put
me onto your music and she not even God damn it.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I know I just saw yesterday, Dad.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, day, she souldn't be here this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You got a new EP, Pray for Me, coming out
on a twelve twelve, and you've been described like I
I've heard you describe yourself as coming from a place
of hunger and self belief. What was the exact moment
you realized music wasn't just something you love or something
you you had to do?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
If I'm be honest, I think back when I was
in college, I had entered like a competition, ended up
winning it, chanced to open for like Travis. So like,
I feel like after that moment, that was the moment
where I decided, like, Yo, this is what I'm gonna do.
I know how I was gonna do it, but I
just was kind of like, this is what it is.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Travis Scott, Traviscott, Travis, Yeah, Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Fuck?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
So leading up to that moment when you're about to
open up for him, what's the self talk that you're
going through, because you do a lot of self talk
on this project.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, self talk.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
You're going through new artists opening up for Travis Scott,
global artists.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I mean back then, because I was in college when
that happened, I was just telling myself like, br this
is crazy, but I just gotta lock in and do it.
I ain't about to just like go up there and
look crazy. That's that's usually by telling myself, I don't
want to go anywhere and look crazy. So I just
got to go to the hardest I could go. And the
titles pray for me, Yeah, what happened? Which sins did
you commit?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
No, sense I ain't. Did We all committed from me
one hundred percent? But it got nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And in regards to that, honestly, the title comes from uh,
back when I was in college with my grandma. She
used to send me scriptures like every day, and she
used to pray for me. She ended up passing back
in like twenty twenty two, and yeah, absolutely appreciate that,
and uh, you know that definitely rocked me. But I
feel like when I went and did that cost in
not mafia Tha, that was the first time in a
very long time I started to see, like so many
people all over the world I ain't we spoke to
just hit me like, brou I'm praying for your success,
(02:02):
like I hope you win, I hope you get this.
And that just felt like a very humbling moment. Kind
of reminded me a lot of like, you know, my grandma.
So that's where I kind of like dedicated that probably name.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
To that first song is talking directly about her prayers.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So the song Sary's Prayer, that's actually my man's from Chicago.
He actually prayed for me at the crib when I
lived in La. Well I still live in a La
but I was living at this one spot and he
prayed pray for me before.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I left the crib.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Okay, Yeah, and then you mentioned the kay Sat moment
in that song as well, where you were like, were.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
A little nervous. It was a lot of pressure, like
you didn't even want to go do it at one point.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I was definitely nervous because I was in a space
where I just I didn't know what was next to me.
I feel like I was just sitting in a waiting space,
not really knowing what was going to be next. And
when my man's gave call me, I was just like, hey, bro,
I'm gonnahow itp for you. To the best of my ability.
That's my man. So I said, look, I'm gonna go
in here get kill this for you. Yeah, it's Luthor
gave forre. What was going on though, Like, what was
going through your mind?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Whenever I hear your music, I do hear this passion,
I do hear you expressing your feelings. What was going
on in that particular day though, like leading up to
Mike Mafia, because that was pure emotion, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I feel like I just I've been making music for
a long time and I kind of was in this
in between space and not knowing whether I was gonna
continue or not. End up picking a little part time job,
and shit, I'm just getting like into the groove of that,
still working on music and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I just more so was thinking to myself, like.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
If this was the plan all along, God telling me
I gotta just do this, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm not gonna, like not trust the timing.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
So I kind of went into that whole mafia down
with the idea that if this is my last attempt
to show the world like I'm here, I'm gonna just
do that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So it really didn't mean a lot to me to
go up there and get crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
They're expressing your feelings through music coming to you naturally
or was that like a learned behavior naturally naturally.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I was never good at therapy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I just felt like it was way easy to write
and make music about stuff like that, and I never
really did it for anybody else but myself. But as
I see more people resonate with it, I realize how
important my story is to just people I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm a big proponent of therapy, so I wanted, like,
why didn't therapy resonate with you?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I feel like I'm too self aware sometimes gotta be
in there talking and I'm like, yeah, this is something
I already realize my myself.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I need to go work on it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But I feel like if I'm gonna be real with you,
if I'm diving a little bit deeper, I think there
is sometimes a barrier for me to actually speak about
my issues. It's way easy to write about them and
make them making this song versus actually just sitting there
with a person one on one talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Everything, piece pot piece.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that's the beauty of therapy, right because you
I always say, like, for whatever questions you have, the
answers are there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, is the sometimes we don't want to hear the
actual answer.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And I think sometimes you sit in there settled and
you just talking and you like.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Damn what I know what? You know what I mean,
but you don't for whatever either, it don't. It just
works in that setting. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say it just works in that setting,
but it comes out in that setting.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah. No, it's definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And I actually have considered like probably trying to start
up again like next year, Like I really want to
try to challenge myself. That's what's something I'm too big
on just trying to challenge myself to be better every day.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
What would you do differently than when you go back
to therapy where you're like, because you're always gonna feel
like you're self aware?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
For sure. I think I just got better at listening,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think sometimes I like to talking, needed to hear
feel like I'm good with X, Y and Z, But
I feel like for a very long time I struggled
with like listening. So I feel like when I go
back this time around, obvious, I'm gonna talk about what
I got going on, but I'm more so receptive to
what whoever is talking to me got to say.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Is that a career thing? Like in your career as
you're growing, have you had to learn? Okay, if I
listened whatever, Like how did you arrive at that? I'm
a just listen point.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It really started with my dad for real, in the
process of like me getting a part time job leading
up to the Mafia Tha thing. I'm talking to him
every day and we just really speaking on the whole
career up to this point, and he was just kind
oftilling in me like, obviously you don't know what the
future is, but you got to be patient, and I
feel like what patients comes listening because a lot of
times when you in the waiting period, you really got
to just listen to everything, Listen to the world, listen
(05:47):
to what God talking about, listening to everything around you,
Like you got to just be receptive to all of that.
So I feel like by developing a you know, a better,
better means of being patient, I was able to listen
better for real, and I definitely think it helping my career.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
How do you cause I keep mentioning, keep hearing you
mentioned the part time job, right, but then you're headed
to mafia thigh like the craziness of that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I respect it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I mean I've been there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I gotta change your
dreams and deal with your reality. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
My question was going to be, how do you keep
your faith or talk about what you went through with
your faith while dealing with your real life but still
chasing your dream because that is everybody can't get through that.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
That's like the major key if you can figure that out.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest, I really
don't have a real answer. I just feel like there
was something in me, especially when that call came because
at the time, right I'm already in the job for
about two months, I'm getting my feet wet. I'm cooling,
like I'm having a good time at the job, you
know what I'm saying. When Gabe called me something, me
was just like, bro, just just do this. Do this
all the way I'm talking about I'm going to the job.
(06:48):
I'm rehearsing writing on my free time. I had a
two hour drive like down and back, so like I'm
thinking of stuff if as I'm driving back, I'm rehearsing,
reciting every single day. I just told myself, like, if
this is my last chance, I'm gonna do this. I
just got to do it the best to my ability.
I didn't expect none of this stuff to happen after,
but I was just like, hey, I know, I'm really
good when it comes to just performing in these freestyles.
(07:10):
The best I could do is just go out there
and put on the best show, because I can't be
mad at that if I do my best and nothing
comes from it, I can't be mad because at least
I killed it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So school me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
When you signed the Depth Jam before Madia line, Uh yeah, Okay, okay, okay,
because I just saw you was signing dev Jam. I
don't even know you was Dev Jam's golden child. I
thought it might Okay, Yeah, why why you feel like that?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well with Jam?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, you know, def Jam has been a cultural hub,
but just hip hop in general, Like I grew up
on that, and I feel like what I bring to
the table when it comes to Death Jam.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that new life.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Like it just feel like reinvigoration just for hip hop.
You know, turning my dog, he's basically like family, and
for him to even just want to do this with
me means the world, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Like again, I grew up on this. My uncle literally
put me on him your every.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Dev Jam artist, So to be a part of a
label like that now it just feels like a full
circle moment, all.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Of us and you from Jersey, Yeah, East the Orange,
to be exact.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I don't know why Jersey don't come up in more
hip hop conversations, but honestly, how did East Darns, New
Jersey shape the way you rap and think and.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Just move through the world? Alight?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
So again, like my uncle, he put me onto a
lot of rap, but my dad and my mom. They
was big on like R and B, so a lot
of Mary J. Blige was getting played in the crib.
That was like every damn day love Mary, let me
see earth Wind the Fire. Huge heavy h influence in
terms of just like the musicality and stuff like that.
But I feel like Jersey has always been a melting pot.
(08:31):
There's never been like a specific sound that comes out
of the place. It's just like a melting pot of
so many different things. And the beauty of that is
that it allows I feel like, for me, there's a
lot of versutility that lives in my music. But it
also allows us, over the next decade, or at least
the second half of this decade, to start finding that
identity because I feel like there are so many amazing
people that's coming up right now, Like you got the
plat boy Max's you know, I'll be out back out
(08:52):
you know to surf on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That Waersey Yeah, West Orange, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, He's amazing. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's crazy because you never think the screams from the internet,
you know, you.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Know what I'm saying, sciss you feel me a lot
of themes out there, Kyrie Irving, Like there's a lot
of people from Jersey, and I just hope that within
this second half of the decade we can start seeing
like a lot more these people get together in unite
because for a very long time we've really never had
a strong identity in terms of that space.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The last rapper that came from Jersey that I can
remember is yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I'm sure there's been other people, but I feel
like we go under the radar so damn much. Even
getting on Mafia thought and like screaming from the rooftop
like Jersey Like that should mean a lot to me
because like.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, Jersey had icons. You got you know, Naughty
by Nature for you know, musical red Man, like yeah,
legends legends in Jersey.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Absolutely, people don't about Jersey either.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Gives you a whole rundown what you need to go
do talking about the guy what you said, we were
talking about you and te.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No no no no no no no.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I me and my moms. But absolutely I love that
you do that than any of them.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Is fire you growing up?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Honestly, I would.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Feel like it really happened a little bit more towards
the high school because when I was growing up, I
was kind of just like a sports guy. I didn't
really get into music crazy until like middle school, high school,
and that's when I started getting onto everything. I wouldn't
say anything specifically, but as I get older now I'm
always trying to draw from anything.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm listening to Jersey just to pay homage for when you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Did the stream, there was a lot of people that
like came out and like co signed you right after that.
It was like crazy viral. Yeah, what was most surprising
for you? I saw NAS?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, NAS was nuts. Shoutout dread the Rose for that.
Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson was crazy. I woke up to
six in the morning and seeing Russell Wilson talking about
some a brit It's hard.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're a sports guy. I can tell you brush past
knobs bro.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Russell Wilson like, like I was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Like a lot of people see the NAS thinking like
I'm not gonna try to play like NAS is like legend,
that's one of my heroes. But like rus Wilson, that's
kind of nuts too, you know what I'm saying. Obviously
there are two different realms in terms of like what
you was really basing on. But like the NAS and
Russell Wilson Wills was definitely the craziest ever can you.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Talk about like just from so you do.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
The stream is viral and people connected with it because
it was so emotional about your Grandmadat. Right after that,
like what opportunities open up for you?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I know you got the tour with.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Jid Yeah, wow, wow, that question always be like so
many things have happened in the period of time since then,
it's like kind of hard to always remember.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But the Jed tour was definitely one of the biggest ones.
Super appreciative to obviously Jid burying Zeep to my dogs,
taking me through the Midwest. I never been I never
actually tore through the states like that before, so that
was really like super super cool.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I met a lot of amazing people. I got so
many producer packs.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Wait, so the Jig tour happened.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I thought that you already had that in the works,
and then he shouted you out and then after announced
it hit you because.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Of the YO.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I got the call eight days before. I'm not even joking,
and I've just suited up and just did what it did.
I told my job, I said, look, I ain't gonna
lot of y'all this as crazy as hell, but like
I gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Go, and it was like, yeah, for sure, I still
have my job.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
When I was on tour and I was coming back
and I was actually gonna go back to that the job,
but then other craziness happened, I just told him like, hey,
I don't think it's fair to y'all that I do this,
so I'm just take a step back.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
What kind of job.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It was a music installation company. Yeah, like we used
to go in and stall like radio systems. Now we
used to install sound systems like churches and stuff like that. Yeah,
So I was out of la doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Dope.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Is that a trade you gotta learn or nah?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I feel like just over the time of everything I've
been doing in this, I just was learning everything.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Like everywhere I go, I try to learn as much
as I can.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We tore with Russ like back in twenty twenty four,
so like I was with his team a lot. I'm
just learning everything as I'm going. So from now I'm
picking up tips and I actually use that in my interview.
Not even a lot of what got me the job
for being an artist and having had a lot of
this experience on the road and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
What personal battles do you think your listeners here the
most clearly in your music?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Uh? I feel like for me, it's just confidence, you
know what I'm saying. I feel like it's like all
of us, you know what I'm saying. We wake up
every day trying to just be the best version of ourselves,
and it's very hard to do that sometimes when there's
so much noise, Like I could imagine what y'all go through,
assholests being on this everything's literally under a space like assholes.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
No no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Whut you ass hosts?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Of course yep, but you know, ass hosts.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Like y'all are under a spotlight. I can only imagine
scrutiny that y'all go through, And I feel like y'all
got it harder than the regular average person, but the
average person still goes through that too. So I feel
like every day is a challenge of like putting your
pants on and telling yourself that nigga, like I gotta
get up and do this for me, it's not about
proving it to the world, but more so affirming in
yourself that you are the person you think.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You of, especially nowadays when you we live in an
era where every single day of your life you can
go on your phone and it's somebody trying to tell
you that you ain't shit. Hell yeah, I don't even
know you, bro, there's no there's no picture on your thing.
I can't even say your name on this Twitter or
this Instagram app. And you're telling me we've never met before,
that that what I'm doing and ship and it's like, Bro,
I didn't ask for that, and a lot of it too.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I always think about this is like if people were
if people had the opportunity to do what you were doing,
they probably couldn't. They couldn't push it to the finish
line the way that you do every day.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
There's like probably one percent of people if they put
your right now, they would literally forward at the starting line.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, every single time. Like it's cool.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's what I like most about your project.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Though.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
It felt like I was on a journey with you.
That would feels very familiar to you know, just where
I am in life right now. Of like you're talking
yourself through like a very vulnerable moment of like I
feel pressure, of like you're building. It's built, it's there,
people see it. But the pressures in the you get
to these levels where you're dealing with things that you
didn't even know you're gonna deal with, and then it's
like your new kid at school all over again. You
gotta talk yourself through it all over again, and it's
(14:29):
it felt very familiar.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You sum that up amazingly literally first day at school.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah, but it's like you do the first day at
school so many times and you're like.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
No, I just was here, Like but that's the beauty
of life.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I feel like if we are going through a year
and we don't feel like the first day is something wrong,
you should be feeling like we have to restart and
move our way up that you know, that's tower genuinely.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Other artist reminds me that j Cole. I get not
first day of school all the time from him, but
like he does a lot of like reflective like wrap
up it, like every.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Time col pop out, always feel like a new version
of cold, which I do I really appreciate a lot
from because I feel like we don't see that much
in especially like Black artists, Like it's already. I have
this theory in my mind that we really don't see
what happens to black people like after thirties. I feel
like what's perpetuated as the twenties, but like what happens
as you get older? What does it look like? What
does it look like raising a family? And I feel
like when I listen to call a lot of times
(15:15):
it's cool to see what that inside looks like, especially as.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I get older as a black man, trying to figure
it out too fee me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What you're speaking to is you know, and you're absolutely right.
For a long time, hip hop had a glass ceiling,
mean that you look up and you think you can
go higher, but you eventually hit your head. And it's
because a lot of people, artists, media personality, they were
afraid to grow and evolve because they experienced a lot
of success.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Being one way.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then you know, the cultural cachet was in the
street for a long time. People were really afraid to
be themselves. So now you've got a whole generation that's
got a lot more emotional intelligence. They're doing the work
on themselves, so they going to therapy and stuff like that.
They're loving on they wives and their girlfriends are being
committed to one shoming and you know, having these beautiful families,
(15:59):
like yeah, yeah, you're right. Like to me, I think
that in the future, mister Morale and the Big Stuff
and jay Z four four four are gonna go down.
It's two of the most important hip hop albums ever.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, nah, I no, Like I feel like you really
summed it up to there.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's like you see these Disney movies, it's always like
Happily ever after, but like the what come after? You right,
that missed them around at four four four? It really
is the part that come after that happen. We have
a part that's the after genuinely.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
You also talk about on the project Screaming at the Sky.
You mentioned you hate church, but you tune in on
Sundays because you want to feel close to your grandmother.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Absolutely, what Why would church? What talk us through your.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I feel like the journey for a very long time
and we see it now the way, like religion in
itself is sometimes manipulated for the wrong reasons. I feel
like everybody should have their own relationship, whatever that is.
You know what I'm saying, Whatever it is you believe
in your relationship is unique to you, and whatever that
is is what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What I believe in what you believing, what she believing.
It should never clash. It's e mortal.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Be a conversation to just understand how we maneuver those relationships.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But it's to each his own.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I feel like when I was growing up, especially
as a you know, black kid, you going to some
of these churches.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I went to some church white churches with my mama.
I'm like, look, it's cool, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
This really hit for me, and for a very long time,
I kind of didn't really want to be a part
of it. But again, with everything that's been happening in
my life, I've just been tapping in form of my own.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Relationship and that's real though.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I really did a tune in to like just fear
that connection because the only person who was doing that
at the time my life was my grandma. Funny enough,
my job worked in churches at the same time too,
So for like Smooth two and a half months, I'm
just locked there, like going through it, and they were
the company it was ran. It was Korean based, so
I'm getting to see all this stuff from way different angles.
Like I'm just opening to the world, just trying to
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see everything. But everybody's relationship is there, is your grandmother
visit you? I do believe that. I feel like I'm
not even joking too, Like even in that open line,
I was like, I stopped smoking because I feel like,
for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I used to have dreams.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And I really appreciate you asking that first for some
most because nobody ever asked me that before.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But I used to have dreams for a while.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I didn't have them dreams with my grandma on them,
and I wouldn't say I had one recently. But I
feel like that cost not Mafia moment just felt too divine,
but it didn't feel real, like my mama is my
mam Mama. So my mama called me and was like, YO,
don't take this the wrong way. But I definitely feel
like my mama heard that and that was all I needed.
I feel like everything that's been happening, like even its
mama we in right now, this don't even feel real,
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like happy to be here, obviously grateful that y'all haven't be.
But again, I'm not like I'm too self aware, like
this is this shit is like the bond time now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I asked because that my mother's mother, my big mama.
She visited me twice.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Wow in a dream.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's why I always ask that, Yeah, because it's one
of those things. It's like, damn, I wish that would
happen again.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I feel like the last time I really really remember it,
so my grandmama passed in twenty twenty two. It was
when I was living in Nashville twenty twenty three. I
just one night had a random dream and that was
it and it never happened again. But the closer I
got to that was like, mafia, do janmuinely?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Or yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know your your songs are like journal in trees?
What's the line between vulnerability and over sharing for you?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And how do you know what to keep to yourself?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I'm big, I'm protecting my peace. I feel like I
do a good job expressing myself. But like niggas don't
know my mama name, you feel me like that's important
to me, Like I want to keep certain things to me.
I feel like as I'm barking on this journey, I
realize that it's not just me stepping in as a rapper,
but like this the entertainment business and everything is entertainment.
There are some things and some people that I would
rather keep out of the light. I'm cool with living
in that, but these people ain't ask for that either,
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and I got to be responsible and kindnizant of that
as an artist, you know what I'm saying. Like, even
as me and my mama figuring out this voicemail that
we're putting on there, I'm letting her know, like, Hey,
I want you to hear this whole project before we
put this out here, because this is not only my story,
you part of this too, So like, if you're not
cool with this, we're not doing it. But it's like,
you know, it involves everybody again, everybody know I got
on my every ride.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, I got dad.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I don't know their names, but like that's the line
I draw. I got a brother, don't be know my
brother name. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm big
on that. I talk about the homies lot because we
all together, But like I try to keep that wall
to the best of its ability because I don't want
to ask to nobody life who can't ask for it.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
How is mom right now?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And all of this like kind of dealing with like
your life changing and watching it change.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And she called me every day. She called me every day.
I think that's the biggest thing for me. There was
a period of how I me and her wasn't talking
every day. And I don't know, like like bad blood
or anything like that, but I just wasn't in the
right space of mind. I'm moving around and all the shit,
and I wasn't really thinking about that. But I feel
like as this year is progressed, her, me, her and
my dad just get super close. Like I'm calling him
every single day to talk to them. It's fired because
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I haven't been back in like eighteen months, so I've
been at the crib for like the last week, so
that's been five and hanging out with them. But I
talk to them like every day like that. Those are
my dogs, Like I always trying to make sure they're good.
They always looking out for me, even if it's just
calling for five minutes of the day. They appreciate that,
and I just try to make that a mission for
anything that I'm doing moving forward.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Even with my grandma, I don't think I did enough
of that.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So there's a super emphasis on that now to just
be present in everybody's life as much as I can be.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Because you never know, Yeah, you never know, take that.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Shit for granted, Like my grandma. So I started my
list because my grandma, she had a friend who did
my hair in COVID because we know it was in
the crib and stuff like that. And he kept telling
me too during the year that she was that she passed, like, yo,
go visical, visical visit. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna
go eventually, just never did. And eventually that you know
that next time turns into it never again and you
gotta live with that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I just try to be as president as I
can be with my parents more than ever. You know,
a lot of artists struggle with comparing their journey to others, right,
like how do you keep your confidence in creativity and
tact and a culture that's constantly measuring you against everybody else.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I just focus on Chris Patrick. I can't be I
can't be anything else but Chris Patrick. Chris Patrick can't
be called Chris Patrick, can't be anybody else that any
like Kendrick can't be anything else but me. And I
feel like, at the end of the day, as long
as I'm working to be the best version of myself,
I'm always going to be the best when I show up. Granted,
there's always going to be a competitive nature to the sport,
which I'm very much aware of, and I'm willing to
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compete in that. But at the same time, I'm not
killing myself in my head over this. As long as
I show up and I'm elevating myself, I'm gonna look
up and eventually it's gonna be nobody around, just me.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I text Gabe from on the Radar and told them
that we were going to be interviewing you, and I was.
I asked him, I said, the first time you put
him on the radar, what made you like so many artists?
And he says there was just a hunger in him
that I don't see him any artists, a desire to
make it and get it done by any means necessary.
He's really the one you're getting some big knots. I'm
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really happy for you, Nah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That means a lot. Like especially gay Man, really good guy.
I'm appreciative that he even hit me. I tell him
all the time, like, you have no idea how much
this means to me. Even asking me to come and
do this the second time.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I don't think he understands what his platform is doing
for people. Tell him that time, like, Yo, this platform
is really changing people's lives, like off of art.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, if you get on there and you do what
you're supposed to do, who knows what comes right?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Like, literally, i ain't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What's something you were once afraid of then no longer
scared you put myself out there. I don't fear that anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I feel like the more I put myself out there,
not even on, not even on like I'm doing it
for the sake of anything. It's just I feel like
the more honest I am about myself and everything I'm
going through, it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Just seems like the more people keep coming in. I'm
not even gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
We was on this Jiitsuur doing that same man in
the Garden versus as Wow, because I'm seeing people after
the show. I'm talking about show get let out, after
the gig show, you got a hundred two hundred, three
hundred people waiting and to just talk to me about how
that verse really resonated with him and hit And that's
like it mean a lot because again, a couple.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Months ago, I'm sitting at my job taping on the
computer writing up X Y and Z.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I wasn't thinking about this, but.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
A couple of weeks past, every night sound out merch
like we had to reap so many times on the
tour because they just kept buying shit, and I'm like, well,
this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Just being myself, and you know, I think to become SUSCEPF,
we gotta be willing to embarrass yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And sometimes it don't even be embarrassing. We just be
in our heads a lot. People really be needing the shit. Like,
you know what I'm saying, what's something you're still working through,
trying to work life balance?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I suck. I suck. It's not real. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I told my mama. I said, I feel like I'm
a really good rapper, but I gotta be a better son.
I gotta be a better brother, I gotta be a
better friend, gotta be a better cousin, better uncle. Like
That's what I'm trying to be. And that's something I
feel like. I really got to work at rapping. It
come naturally to me. But everything else is what I
gotta work. And I'm cool with that, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I would rather have it that way than just not
knowing what I want to do. But it's it's an
uphill battle, but I'm willing to work at it. That's
so interesting, man, because you know me and my wife
we always talk about how like, you know, there's no
manual for parenting, right, Yeah, but you just made me
think about something like as a rapper, there's like you
can do a mafia thin freestyle and somebody be like, yo,
you nice.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You get the validation. Hey, you don't get that. Have
a father, or a son or a husband, Like, ain't.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Nobody you feel men Like your wife might tell you
every now and then you a good husband, But.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, you don't even know if you're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You don't know what you're working through, what you're working through,
or what you're working on is actually bringing you to
where you go.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You kind of just got to go with the flow.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And that's just something I'm open to learning, just how
to be a better person altogether.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Like as your star girls, is that pressure of trying
to figure out all that other stuff, being a better son, brother,
all those things? Does that grow as well?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I think so, you know what I'm saying, I feel
like I spent the first part of like starting his career,
putting so much pressure on the work that I was doing,
to the point where like I become some meticulous in
detail the second nature. But I feel like now having
to deal with this other side is so much more
rewarding because I can see it in real time, me
writing versus every single day for two years in a row.
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You don't know what that turns into until you have
your moment. But picking up the phone from my mama
every day for the next two years, that's beautiful. I'm
not gonna get that back. That's time.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm never gonna be able to that. There's no amount
of money in the world.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That can make that time up if I don't take
this moment to call my parents, Like I don't get
that back.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What do you feel is missing for rap right now
that you're intentionally trying to put back.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Niggas need to care. There's too many people who are good,
but they don't care enough. And I feel like that's
my problem, Like I can't. I know I'm personally talented.
I wouldn't even say that like I'm more talented than
the next man. I just think I care more, and
that's what I want to show people like, Yo, this
shit can be done, like we working this pay for
me projects, doing and a half weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's care.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I ain't never heard no shit like that. I ain't
never seen people do nothing like that. Two and a
half weeks, bro. For the moment Mafia thrown in it. Bro,
I literally locked the next day playing call my phone
to side.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's not it's not a long time, but you like
what Yeah, Bro, I'm a crackhead about this shit, Like
I really do this and I just want people to care.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I want people to put.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
The intensity in there. I remember, Uh, somebody has seen
one of my videos. They was like, Yo, you look
really angry and that. I'm like, Bro, I just wanted
to deliver the performance. I'm a really nice guy, y'all
see me. I ain't coming here on no bullshit.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I didn't know what you were gonna be like in
person because they music it is very like intense, you know,
but you like super jolly.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I'll be flipping the switch like I'm very like chill,
very laid back. But when it comes to that, when
it comes to that ship, oh yeah, I'm a hooper.
But yeah, I just want people to care.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Again.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Like, I think we need to see more artists caring,
showing their journey, showing themselves going hard, because that's what
made me a fan growing up with like all the
people that we love. Now, when I see you know,
Cole going to do that be free joint he did
on that late night show.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's like, WHOA, that shit stuck with me forever.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I ain't gonna lie. I really modeled a lot of
my mafia throwing around that shit. It's like, bro, he
went up there and made a moment that we wasn't expecting.
Fucking I'm gonna do the same, you know what I'm saying.
So I just want people to care again.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Do you ever?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I mean it's interesting because like people love you because
you're honest. I love you because your emotion. Your emotion,
you expressure relatability. Do you ever feel pressure to, like
I guess, always show up as that strong, self aware
version of yourself that people are going to expect because
you're gonna have bad things.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah for sure. I mean it's they're my best friend.
Money man is he already know he see it all?
He know how I get. I feel like it's about
having pockets, Like there'll be days where I do be
down and like he'll see that, but maybe not everybody else.
And that's cool, Like that's my man's for life. We
just talk about things, we move from it, and we
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go through it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But I try not to show too much of that
because I've started to realize that I also have a responsibility.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
There are people in the world who be like bra
If I could show y'all some of the messages I've
received after this, it'll make you cry, like it's really
crazy how people looking at me. And I'm not gonna
be I'm not gonna be foolish act like I don't
got a responsibility. Granted, there's no pressure on me to
feel like I got to be somebody savior, but I
don't have any problem being the beacon. If somebody need
that to get through their days, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And and don't let people think that you perfect at
all at all. You might see, that's what I'm saying.
It might see you with some liquid, it might see you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Feel with the ladies, you know what I mean. Outside,
But I feel like that's the beauty of life.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Though for a very long time we've been watching everything
through like a perfect picture but like you got to
see how the artist got there, Like it takes so
much for us to show up every day.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm sure it took a lot for y'all to show
up today.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I don't know what you'all was going through, but it's
like y'all, you know, showing up at y'all best sales.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
But people have to realize it's so much more than that.
It's so much more than that. And I don't have
a problem showing that, Like it's okay to be your
health cool.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What's the biggest misconception people have about Chris Patrick the
person versus Chris Patrick the artist?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
By this misconception.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
That I'm like very chilling, like perfect as a person,
I feel like as I meet more people, uh.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They just have to realize, oh, he's just like us,
like absolutely man, Like I grew up in easterns New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I was with the homies just like damn near everybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I feel like, if there's any misconception, I just want
people to know, like I'm a person. I feel like
for a very long time, just like streamers, I feel
like for a very long time, I existed on the Internet.
And this is like the year where everybody started to
see it in real talent, like this is a real
like this is a real person, not just some nigga
that you're seeing on one of them pages on Twitter
or some ship. Like this is a real deal person.
And I feel like as I continue to meet more people,
I think the feedback is, oh, yeah, you just like us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And it's just you know, I've been here with that
raw emotion, man, people can feel that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I remember sitting at the house and you know, we
was listening to Ruben Vincent album with me and no
Ill of my wife listening to Ruby Vincent albums and Star.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And I love Marchael plus.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now that's my brother, both of them, Ruben and Marco
them my brother's for real. Very If you like Ruben
and Marco, you're gonna like. This is Chris Patrick and
she plays she just started playing.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I was like, who is Chris Patrick?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I was like, oh, that's what the dude from
the Mafia thumb and she just started playing me music
and I was just like, oh, I feel what I
feel what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Hey, I feel what you're doing. Appreciate.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I'm glad I found, you know, found a way into
your home to bump that for real? What's a what's a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Piece of advice you'd give this someone fighting through the
same doubts that you once had.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Show up every day. There's nothing you could do, Like,
there's nothing more you can do but just show up.
There's gonna be days where it's not like I'm not
gonna lie. Don't even think there's perfect situation. The perfect
situation is always now you can make the situation perfect.
There are gonna be times where you show up to
something and it's not going the way it's supposed to go.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But if you control what you have to do and
you prepare the way you have to prepare, it could
become the greatest situation of your life.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Like, nobody knows what I was going into going through
before the mafit down, but I showed up and did
my best and it became a perfect situation, you know
what I'm saying. And I feel like that's something that
everybody has to do consistently. Just wake up every day
and do your thing. As long as you do that,
you're good. And I feel like if you operate under
the guys that there is no reward, you're doing it
for you. You're gonna be rewarded every single day for
that something is crazy's gonna come your way and it's
gonna be like damn, I don't even expect it, but
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it's because you work for it unknowingly.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh I know why I bought that up. I bought
that up because it felt like it feels like it's
a new class. Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like, you know, we always have that in hip hop,
and that's why you know, people still sleep on double exelf.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But I like when they do that freshman class thing.
But it feels like y'all are a part of a class.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Do you do you feel that, Like, let's be real,
when of the last time you've seen it, like, at
least within this space of hip hop, when's the last
time you really seen a class of people like this
many people going up that you identify it together.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, fifteen plus years ago when it was the Kendricks
and Nicoles and the Drakes and the Walets and yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, now even know if that's the same area.
I feel like Lee and Cudding, it might have been
like a class.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Before we could group them all up in there, they
all together in my mind because I feel like everybody
had impact impact at that time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But it's like, you're right, we haven't seen that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Like I feel like individuals you might have seen pop
in and out, but we've never seen this many people
at least be all cohesive and on the same page
to do this you don't actually care about actually want
a rap for real, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I was crapping my projects with like the Rubins, the
Marcos Bean, Riley Swabs, like Jordan bean Is like every day,
like we was broke together. We was writing these projects together.
We were literally like putting all this shit together, bouncing
off ideas, we playing each other projects. We're like, oh
yeah we fuck with this.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
We don't fuck with this, Hey, bro work on this,
Like we always cracking the shit together. And then you
start to see that expand as we start to meet
more people and shit like that, like we really all
coming up together and this shit the same way they was.
So I'm just glad that everybody else could see it,
because for a very long time we just felt like
it was us in this low bubble and nobody realized.
And then you start seeing one person get it, then
another person get it, and the third person getting everybody
talking about everybody. So it's good that y'all can identify
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that the same way we've always been talking about for the.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Last year and a half.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I feel like y'all have the So it's the Internet,
but y'all know what to do with it. Like when
you mentioned Ruben, I think about like all of his
visuals and like, you know what I mean, Like when
I met him, I didn't know who he was, but
then when I followed him, I'm like, oh, like and
then I'm hearing your music and Marko plus and like
all these people. Y'all know how there's like a middle
point that y'all have figured out where it's Internet, but
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it's substance and it's work in business built around at
the same time, people can't like juggle that all yeah,
And that's like itself is like a oh, like it
makes you want to like tap in, like all right,
what's next.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
One thing we always study is like, you know, obviously
like the Cold Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's like one thing that they always did was beingm
pactful and regardless of what the Internet is talking about
as long as you hit that wave and you impactful,
they're it's cool, but you also got to go touch
the That's more than anything you got touch with people
Like this internet shit, it's only as real as we
let it be. But what's realist Showing up to a
spot and it's twenty five hundred people there. You ain't
never met them with Daniel life, but three hundred that
want to talk to you after the show, they want
to buy your shit. That's real impact. So as long
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as we can get out there, I mean obviously digitally
be killing it, but like, if you can go out
there and touch people in person, you good.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And you look at your future you know, musically, personally,
and most importantly spiritually. Yeah, what would success look like
to you? If you took the charts out, the awards,
screaming numbers, if you took all that out of the equation,
what would success look like?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Shit?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Mo, Mo, move my parents out of Jersey. They're like Texas,
they want to move down south for like Georgia. They
we want to move down south for a very long time.
And that's really where like my mind is. I swear
to God, I might even try to lie, but like
when I have my part time drive. I kind of
accept that, like if this is where my journey is
and it's cool, like it's just what it is, that's
the way it goes. So I feel like what's happening
right now is the bonus round for me, fucking the
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charts and all that other shit, Like if I could
make sure my parents is good, like that mean the world,
because when I it on myself, they never did, so
like I'm here for that.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
I had that same moment right before I got a
job that like changed my I was like, yo, if
it's over right here, I'm cool, Like I didn't and
then everything just like switch. It was like it's so weird, so.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Weird had it happens. And I feel like there's a
lot of detachment there. Unless you unless you seek the outcome,
the more likely it is for you to come. I
feel like people who granted I do believe that you
have to lock in for the work you're doing, but
it's not for the sake of the outcome. It's for
the sake of the work. But when you're so focused
on the result, a lot of times you miss the mark.
Like you can't be too hyper focused on that. You
gotta do all the intangibles that people can't see, Like,
they don't know if you're waking up at five in
the morning to get right. They don't know if you're
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writing every day, they don't know if you're trying to
work on X, Y and Z. That's the type of
stuff that's gonna bring you to where you gotta get to.
But you know, I feel you congratulations too. Also, I
think that's an amazing thing that you just shared with
me because people don't be talking about it like that.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You do the same shit.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You said something else that's very important too. You said,
you know, your last job, if that was it for you,
you were happy with that, And I truly believe that.
You know, God isn't gonna bless you with more unless
you appreciate what you have. Yeah, and you know the
fact that you had something that you appreciate and you like,
all right, God, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm cool with this. That's why you receiving more blessings now.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, lie.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And that's why I'm trying to go hard too, because
it's like I feel like in the past, I'm out
of funding my opportunity, whether it being like I'm blinded
focused on the rose out.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know what I'm saying, doing shit I shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
If this is my opportunity to really get it crazy,
I'm not about to waste this somebody to go dumb hard,
because really I want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I gotta get it done. Listen, man, Chris Patrick, Pray
for Me is out December twelfth. That's tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, today, today, today, today, God damn.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Chris Pratrick Pray for Me is out right now. Man,
good meeting you, brother.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Nah, like well, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Thank you absolutely. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
The Breakfast Club.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day a waiting click your ass up the breakfast
club finish for y'all dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show to
Breakfast Club. Charalamaine, the God, Lauren Lroossa, Jess Hilarius, DJ Envy,
but just An Beyond here today. And I'm mad because
you know there's a guy that we have here right now. Man,
he goes by the name of Chris Patrick. Sleuth to
Chris Patrick, how are you? I'm mad because niholosimone put
me onto your music and she not even God damn it.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I know I just saw yesterday, Dad.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, day, she souldn't be here this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You got a new EP, Pray for Me, coming out
on a twelve twelve, and you've been described like I
I've heard you describe yourself as coming from a place
of hunger and self belief. What was the exact moment
you realized music wasn't just something you love or something
you you had to do?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
If I'm be honest, I think back when I was
in college, I had entered like a competition, ended up
winning it, chanced to open for like Travis. So like,
I feel like after that moment, that was the moment
where I decided, like, Yo, this is what I'm gonna do.
I know how I was gonna do it, but I
just was kind of like, this is what it is.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Travis Scott, Traviscott, Travis, Yeah, Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Fuck?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
What was that?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
So leading up to that moment when you're about to
open up for him, what's the self talk that you're
going through, because you do a lot of self talk
on this project.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, self talk.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
You're going through new artists opening up for Travis Scott,
global artists.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I mean back then, because I was in college when
that happened, I was just telling myself like, br this
is crazy, but I just gotta lock in and do it.
I ain't about to just like go up there and
look crazy. That's that's usually by telling myself, I don't
want to go anywhere and look crazy. So I just
got to go to the hardest I could go. And the
titles pray for me, Yeah, what happened? Which sins did
you commit?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
No, sense I ain't. Did We all committed from me
one hundred percent? But it got nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And in regards to that, honestly, the title comes from uh,
back when I was in college with my grandma. She
used to send me scriptures like every day, and she
used to pray for me. She ended up passing back
in like twenty twenty two, and yeah, absolutely appreciate that,
and uh, you know that definitely rocked me. But I
feel like when I went and did that cost in
not mafia Tha, that was the first time in a
very long time I started to see, like so many
people all over the world I ain't we spoke to
just hit me like, brou I'm praying for your success,
(02:02):
like I hope you win, I hope you get this.
And that just felt like a very humbling moment. Kind
of reminded me a lot of like, you know, my grandma.
So that's where I kind of like dedicated that probably name.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
To that first song is talking directly about her prayers.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So the song Sary's Prayer, that's actually my man's from Chicago.
He actually prayed for me at the crib when I
lived in La. Well I still live in a La
but I was living at this one spot and he
prayed pray for me before.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I left the crib.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Okay, Yeah, and then you mentioned the kay Sat moment
in that song as well, where you were like, were.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
A little nervous. It was a lot of pressure, like
you didn't even want to go do it at one point.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I was definitely nervous because I was in a space
where I just I didn't know what was next to me.
I feel like I was just sitting in a waiting space,
not really knowing what was going to be next. And
when my man's gave call me, I was just like, hey, bro,
I'm gonnahow itp for you. To the best of my ability.
That's my man. So I said, look, I'm gonna go
in here get kill this for you. Yeah, it's Luthor
gave forre. What was going on though, Like, what was
going through your mind?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Whenever I hear your music, I do hear this passion,
I do hear you expressing your feelings. What was going
on in that particular day though, like leading up to
Mike Mafia, because that was pure emotion, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I feel like I just I've been making music for
a long time and I kind of was in this
in between space and not knowing whether I was gonna
continue or not. End up picking a little part time job,
and shit, I'm just getting like into the groove of that,
still working on music and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But I just more so was thinking to myself, like.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
If this was the plan all along, God telling me
I gotta just do this, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm not gonna, like not trust the timing.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
So I kind of went into that whole mafia down
with the idea that if this is my last attempt
to show the world like I'm here, I'm gonna just
do that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So it really didn't mean a lot to me to
go up there and get crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
They're expressing your feelings through music coming to you naturally
or was that like a learned behavior naturally naturally.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I was never good at therapy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I just felt like it was way easy to write
and make music about stuff like that, and I never
really did it for anybody else but myself. But as
I see more people resonate with it, I realize how
important my story is to just people I don't even know.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm a big proponent of therapy, so I wanted, like,
why didn't therapy resonate with you?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I feel like I'm too self aware sometimes gotta be
in there talking and I'm like, yeah, this is something
I already realize my myself.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I need to go work on it.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But I feel like if I'm gonna be real with you,
if I'm diving a little bit deeper, I think there
is sometimes a barrier for me to actually speak about
my issues. It's way easy to write about them and
make them making this song versus actually just sitting there
with a person one on one talking about.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Everything, piece pot piece.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I think that's the beauty of therapy, right because you
I always say, like, for whatever questions you have, the
answers are there.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, is the sometimes we don't want to hear the
actual answer.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And I think sometimes you sit in there settled and
you just talking and you like.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Damn what I know what? You know what I mean,
but you don't for whatever either, it don't. It just
works in that setting. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say it just works in that setting,
but it comes out in that setting.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah. No, it's definitely.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And I actually have considered like probably trying to start
up again like next year, Like I really want to
try to challenge myself. That's what's something I'm too big
on just trying to challenge myself to be better every day.
Speaker 6 (04:53):
What would you do differently than when you go back
to therapy where you're like, because you're always gonna feel
like you're self aware?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
For sure. I think I just got better at listening,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think sometimes I like to talking, needed to hear
feel like I'm good with X, Y and Z, But
I feel like for a very long time I struggled
with like listening. So I feel like when I go
back this time around, obvious, I'm gonna talk about what
I got going on, but I'm more so receptive to
what whoever is talking to me got to say.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Is that a career thing? Like in your career as
you're growing, have you had to learn? Okay, if I
listened whatever, Like how did you arrive at that? I'm
a just listen point.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
It really started with my dad for real, in the
process of like me getting a part time job leading
up to the Mafia Tha thing. I'm talking to him
every day and we just really speaking on the whole
career up to this point, and he was just kind
oftilling in me like, obviously you don't know what the
future is, but you got to be patient, and I
feel like what patients comes listening because a lot of
times when you in the waiting period, you really got
to just listen to everything, Listen to the world, listen
(05:47):
to what God talking about, listening to everything around you,
Like you got to just be receptive to all of that.
So I feel like by developing a you know, a better,
better means of being patient, I was able to listen
better for real, and I definitely think it helping my career.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
How do you cause I keep mentioning, keep hearing you
mentioned the part time job, right, but then you're headed
to mafia thigh like the craziness of that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I respect it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I do too.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
I mean I've been there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I gotta change your
dreams and deal with your reality. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
My question was going to be, how do you keep
your faith or talk about what you went through with
your faith while dealing with your real life but still
chasing your dream because that is everybody can't get through that.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
That's like the major key if you can figure that out.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest, I really
don't have a real answer. I just feel like there
was something in me, especially when that call came because
at the time, right I'm already in the job for
about two months, I'm getting my feet wet. I'm cooling,
like I'm having a good time at the job, you
know what I'm saying. When Gabe called me something, me
was just like, bro, just just do this. Do this
all the way I'm talking about I'm going to the job.
(06:48):
I'm rehearsing writing on my free time. I had a
two hour drive like down and back, so like I'm
thinking of stuff if as I'm driving back, I'm rehearsing,
reciting every single day. I just told myself, like, if
this is my last chance, I'm gonna do this. I
just got to do it the best to my ability.
I didn't expect none of this stuff to happen after,
but I was just like, hey, I know, I'm really
good when it comes to just performing in these freestyles.
(07:10):
The best I could do is just go out there
and put on the best show, because I can't be
mad at that if I do my best and nothing
comes from it, I can't be mad because at least
I killed it.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So school me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
When you signed the Depth Jam before Madia line, Uh yeah, Okay, okay, okay,
because I just saw you was signing dev Jam. I
don't even know you was Dev Jam's golden child. I
thought it might Okay, Yeah, why why you feel like that?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well with Jam?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, you know, def Jam has been a cultural hub,
but just hip hop in general, Like I grew up
on that, and I feel like what I bring to
the table when it comes to Death Jam.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that new life.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Like it just feel like reinvigoration just for hip hop.
You know, turning my dog, he's basically like family, and
for him to even just want to do this with
me means the world, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Like again, I grew up on this. My uncle literally
put me on him your every.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Dev Jam artist, So to be a part of a
label like that now it just feels like a full
circle moment, all.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Of us and you from Jersey, Yeah, East the Orange,
to be exact.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I don't know why Jersey don't come up in more
hip hop conversations, but honestly, how did East Darns, New
Jersey shape the way you rap and think and.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Just move through the world? Alight?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
So again, like my uncle, he put me onto a
lot of rap, but my dad and my mom. They
was big on like R and B, so a lot
of Mary J. Blige was getting played in the crib.
That was like every damn day love Mary, let me
see earth Wind the Fire. Huge heavy h influence in
terms of just like the musicality and stuff like that.
But I feel like Jersey has always been a melting pot.
(08:31):
There's never been like a specific sound that comes out
of the place. It's just like a melting pot of
so many different things. And the beauty of that is
that it allows I feel like, for me, there's a
lot of versutility that lives in my music. But it
also allows us, over the next decade, or at least
the second half of this decade, to start finding that
identity because I feel like there are so many amazing
people that's coming up right now, Like you got the
plat boy Max's you know, I'll be out back out
(08:52):
you know to surf on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That Waersey Yeah, West Orange, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, He's amazing. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's crazy because you never think the screams from the internet,
you know, you.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Know what I'm saying, sciss you feel me a lot
of themes out there, Kyrie Irving, Like there's a lot
of people from Jersey, and I just hope that within
this second half of the decade we can start seeing
like a lot more these people get together in unite
because for a very long time we've really never had
a strong identity in terms of that space.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The last rapper that came from Jersey that I can
remember is yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I'm sure there's been other people, but I feel
like we go under the radar so damn much. Even
getting on Mafia thought and like screaming from the rooftop
like Jersey Like that should mean a lot to me
because like.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I mean, Jersey had icons. You got you know, Naughty
by Nature for you know, musical red Man, like yeah,
legends legends in Jersey.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Absolutely, people don't about Jersey either.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Gives you a whole rundown what you need to go
do talking about the guy what you said, we were
talking about you and te.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No no no no no no no.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I me and my moms. But absolutely I love that
you do that than any of them.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Is fire you growing up?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Honestly, I would.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Feel like it really happened a little bit more towards
the high school because when I was growing up, I
was kind of just like a sports guy. I didn't
really get into music crazy until like middle school, high school,
and that's when I started getting onto everything. I wouldn't
say anything specifically, but as I get older now I'm
always trying to draw from anything.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm listening to Jersey just to pay homage for when you.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Did the stream, there was a lot of people that
like came out and like co signed you right after that.
It was like crazy viral. Yeah, what was most surprising
for you? I saw NAS?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, NAS was nuts. Shoutout dread the Rose for that.
Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson was crazy. I woke up to
six in the morning and seeing Russell Wilson talking about
some a brit It's hard.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're a sports guy. I can tell you brush past
knobs bro.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Russell Wilson like, like I was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Like a lot of people see the NAS thinking like
I'm not gonna try to play like NAS is like legend,
that's one of my heroes. But like rus Wilson, that's
kind of nuts too, you know what I'm saying. Obviously
there are two different realms in terms of like what
you was really basing on. But like the NAS and
Russell Wilson Wills was definitely the craziest ever can you.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Talk about like just from so you do.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
The stream is viral and people connected with it because
it was so emotional about your Grandmadat. Right after that,
like what opportunities open up for you?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I know you got the tour with.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Jid Yeah, wow, wow, that question always be like so
many things have happened in the period of time since then,
it's like kind of hard to always remember.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
But the Jed tour was definitely one of the biggest ones.
Super appreciative to obviously Jid burying Zeep to my dogs,
taking me through the Midwest. I never been I never
actually tore through the states like that before, so that
was really like super super cool.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I met a lot of amazing people. I got so
many producer packs.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Wait, so the Jig tour happened.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I thought that you already had that in the works,
and then he shouted you out and then after announced
it hit you because.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Of the YO.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I got the call eight days before. I'm not even joking,
and I've just suited up and just did what it did.
I told my job, I said, look, I ain't gonna
lot of y'all this as crazy as hell, but like
I gotta.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Go, and it was like, yeah, for sure, I still
have my job.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
When I was on tour and I was coming back
and I was actually gonna go back to that the job,
but then other craziness happened, I just told him like, hey,
I don't think it's fair to y'all that I do this,
so I'm just take a step back.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
What kind of job.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It was a music installation company. Yeah, like we used
to go in and stall like radio systems. Now we
used to install sound systems like churches and stuff like that. Yeah,
So I was out of la doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Dope.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it was fine.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Is that a trade you gotta learn or nah?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I feel like just over the time of everything I've
been doing in this, I just was learning everything.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Like everywhere I go, I try to learn as much
as I can.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We tore with Russ like back in twenty twenty four,
so like I was with his team a lot. I'm
just learning everything as I'm going. So from now I'm
picking up tips and I actually use that in my interview.
Not even a lot of what got me the job
for being an artist and having had a lot of
this experience on the road and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
What personal battles do you think your listeners here the
most clearly in your music?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Uh? I feel like for me, it's just confidence, you
know what I'm saying. I feel like it's like all
of us, you know what I'm saying. We wake up
every day trying to just be the best version of ourselves,
and it's very hard to do that sometimes when there's
so much noise, Like I could imagine what y'all go through,
assholests being on this everything's literally under a space like assholes.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
No no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Whut you ass hosts?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Of course yep, but you know, ass hosts.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Like y'all are under a spotlight. I can only imagine
scrutiny that y'all go through, And I feel like y'all
got it harder than the regular average person, but the
average person still goes through that too. So I feel
like every day is a challenge of like putting your
pants on and telling yourself that nigga, like I gotta
get up and do this for me, it's not about
proving it to the world, but more so affirming in
yourself that you are the person you think.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You of, especially nowadays when you we live in an
era where every single day of your life you can
go on your phone and it's somebody trying to tell
you that you ain't shit. Hell yeah, I don't even
know you, bro, there's no there's no picture on your thing.
I can't even say your name on this Twitter or
this Instagram app. And you're telling me we've never met before,
that that what I'm doing and ship and it's like, Bro,
I didn't ask for that, and a lot of it too.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I always think about this is like if people were
if people had the opportunity to do what you were doing,
they probably couldn't. They couldn't push it to the finish
line the way that you do every day.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
There's like probably one percent of people if they put
your right now, they would literally forward at the starting line.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, every single time. Like it's cool.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
That's what I like most about your project.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Though.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
It felt like I was on a journey with you.
That would feels very familiar to you know, just where
I am in life right now. Of like you're talking
yourself through like a very vulnerable moment of like I
feel pressure, of like you're building. It's built, it's there,
people see it. But the pressures in the you get
to these levels where you're dealing with things that you
didn't even know you're gonna deal with, and then it's
like your new kid at school all over again. You
gotta talk yourself through it all over again, and it's
(14:29):
it felt very familiar.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You sum that up amazingly literally first day at school.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
Yeah, but it's like you do the first day at
school so many times and you're like.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
No, I just was here, Like but that's the beauty
of life.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I feel like if we are going through a year
and we don't feel like the first day is something wrong,
you should be feeling like we have to restart and
move our way up that you know, that's tower genuinely.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Other artist reminds me that j Cole. I get not
first day of school all the time from him, but
like he does a lot of like reflective like wrap
up it, like every.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Time col pop out, always feel like a new version
of cold, which I do I really appreciate a lot
from because I feel like we don't see that much
in especially like Black artists, Like it's already. I have
this theory in my mind that we really don't see
what happens to black people like after thirties. I feel
like what's perpetuated as the twenties, but like what happens
as you get older? What does it look like? What
does it look like raising a family? And I feel
like when I listen to call a lot of times
(15:15):
it's cool to see what that inside looks like, especially as.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I get older as a black man, trying to figure
it out too fee me.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What you're speaking to is you know, and you're absolutely right.
For a long time, hip hop had a glass ceiling,
mean that you look up and you think you can
go higher, but you eventually hit your head. And it's
because a lot of people, artists, media personality, they were
afraid to grow and evolve because they experienced a lot
of success.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Being one way.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then you know, the cultural cachet was in the
street for a long time. People were really afraid to
be themselves. So now you've got a whole generation that's
got a lot more emotional intelligence. They're doing the work
on themselves, so they going to therapy and stuff like that.
They're loving on they wives and their girlfriends are being
committed to one shoming and you know, having these beautiful families,
(15:59):
like yeah, yeah, you're right. Like to me, I think
that in the future, mister Morale and the Big Stuff
and jay Z four four four are gonna go down.
It's two of the most important hip hop albums ever.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, nah, I no, Like I feel like you really
summed it up to there.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's like you see these Disney movies, it's always like
Happily ever after, but like the what come after? You right,
that missed them around at four four four? It really
is the part that come after that happen. We have
a part that's the after genuinely.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
You also talk about on the project Screaming at the Sky.
You mentioned you hate church, but you tune in on
Sundays because you want to feel close to your grandmother.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Absolutely, what Why would church? What talk us through your.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I feel like the journey for a very long time
and we see it now the way, like religion in
itself is sometimes manipulated for the wrong reasons. I feel
like everybody should have their own relationship, whatever that is.
You know what I'm saying, Whatever it is you believe
in your relationship is unique to you, and whatever that
is is what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
What I believe in what you believing, what she believing.
It should never clash. It's e mortal.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Be a conversation to just understand how we maneuver those relationships.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
But it's to each his own.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I feel like when I was growing up, especially
as a you know, black kid, you going to some
of these churches.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I went to some church white churches with my mama.
I'm like, look, it's cool, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
This really hit for me, and for a very long time,
I kind of didn't really want to be a part
of it. But again, with everything that's been happening in
my life, I've just been tapping in form of my own.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Relationship and that's real though.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I really did a tune in to like just fear
that connection because the only person who was doing that
at the time my life was my grandma. Funny enough,
my job worked in churches at the same time too,
So for like Smooth two and a half months, I'm
just locked there, like going through it, and they were
the company it was ran. It was Korean based, so
I'm getting to see all this stuff from way different angles.
Like I'm just opening to the world, just trying to
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see everything. But everybody's relationship is there, is your grandmother
visit you? I do believe that. I feel like I'm
not even joking too, Like even in that open line,
I was like, I stopped smoking because I feel like,
for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I used to have dreams.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And I really appreciate you asking that first for some
most because nobody ever asked me that before.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But I used to have dreams for a while.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I didn't have them dreams with my grandma on them,
and I wouldn't say I had one recently. But I
feel like that cost not Mafia moment just felt too divine,
but it didn't feel real, like my mama is my
mam Mama. So my mama called me and was like, YO,
don't take this the wrong way. But I definitely feel
like my mama heard that and that was all I needed.
I feel like everything that's been happening, like even its
mama we in right now, this don't even feel real,
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like happy to be here, obviously grateful that y'all haven't be.
But again, I'm not like I'm too self aware, like
this is this shit is like the bond time now.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I asked because that my mother's mother, my big mama.
She visited me twice.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Wow in a dream.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's why I always ask that, Yeah, because it's one
of those things. It's like, damn, I wish that would
happen again.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I feel like the last time I really really remember it,
so my grandmama passed in twenty twenty two. It was
when I was living in Nashville twenty twenty three. I
just one night had a random dream and that was
it and it never happened again. But the closer I
got to that was like, mafia, do janmuinely?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Or yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know your your songs are like journal in trees?
What's the line between vulnerability and over sharing for you?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And how do you know what to keep to yourself?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I'm big, I'm protecting my peace. I feel like I
do a good job expressing myself. But like niggas don't
know my mama name, you feel me like that's important
to me, Like I want to keep certain things to me.
I feel like as I'm barking on this journey, I
realize that it's not just me stepping in as a rapper,
but like this the entertainment business and everything is entertainment.
There are some things and some people that I would
rather keep out of the light. I'm cool with living
in that, but these people ain't ask for that either,
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and I got to be responsible and kindnizant of that
as an artist, you know what I'm saying. Like, even
as me and my mama figuring out this voicemail that
we're putting on there, I'm letting her know, like, Hey,
I want you to hear this whole project before we
put this out here, because this is not only my story,
you part of this too, So like, if you're not
cool with this, we're not doing it. But it's like,
you know, it involves everybody again, everybody know I got
on my every ride.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, I got dad.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I don't know their names, but like that's the line
I draw. I got a brother, don't be know my
brother name. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm big
on that. I talk about the homies lot because we
all together, But like I try to keep that wall
to the best of its ability because I don't want
to ask to nobody life who can't ask for it.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
How is mom right now?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
And all of this like kind of dealing with like
your life changing and watching it change.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And she called me every day. She called me every day.
I think that's the biggest thing for me. There was
a period of how I me and her wasn't talking
every day. And I don't know, like like bad blood
or anything like that, but I just wasn't in the
right space of mind. I'm moving around and all the shit,
and I wasn't really thinking about that. But I feel
like as this year is progressed, her, me, her and
my dad just get super close. Like I'm calling him
every single day to talk to them. It's fired because
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I haven't been back in like eighteen months, so I've
been at the crib for like the last week, so
that's been five and hanging out with them. But I
talk to them like every day like that. Those are
my dogs, Like I always trying to make sure they're good.
They always looking out for me, even if it's just
calling for five minutes of the day. They appreciate that,
and I just try to make that a mission for
anything that I'm doing moving forward.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Even with my grandma, I don't think I did enough
of that.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
So there's a super emphasis on that now to just
be present in everybody's life as much as I can be.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Because you never know, Yeah, you never know, take that.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Shit for granted, Like my grandma. So I started my
list because my grandma, she had a friend who did
my hair in COVID because we know it was in
the crib and stuff like that. And he kept telling
me too during the year that she was that she passed, like, yo,
go visical, visical visit. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna
go eventually, just never did. And eventually that you know
that next time turns into it never again and you
gotta live with that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So I just try to be as president as I
can be with my parents more than ever. You know,
a lot of artists struggle with comparing their journey to others, right,
like how do you keep your confidence in creativity and
tact and a culture that's constantly measuring you against everybody else.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I just focus on Chris Patrick. I can't be I
can't be anything else but Chris Patrick. Chris Patrick can't
be called Chris Patrick, can't be anybody else that any
like Kendrick can't be anything else but me. And I
feel like, at the end of the day, as long
as I'm working to be the best version of myself,
I'm always going to be the best when I show up. Granted,
there's always going to be a competitive nature to the sport,
which I'm very much aware of, and I'm willing to
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compete in that. But at the same time, I'm not
killing myself in my head over this. As long as
I show up and I'm elevating myself, I'm gonna look
up and eventually it's gonna be nobody around, just me.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I text Gabe from on the Radar and told them
that we were going to be interviewing you, and I was.
I asked him, I said, the first time you put
him on the radar, what made you like so many artists?
And he says there was just a hunger in him
that I don't see him any artists, a desire to
make it and get it done by any means necessary.
He's really the one you're getting some big knots. I'm
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really happy for you, Nah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
That means a lot. Like especially gay Man, really good guy.
I'm appreciative that he even hit me. I tell him
all the time, like, you have no idea how much
this means to me. Even asking me to come and
do this the second time.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
I don't think he understands what his platform is doing
for people. Tell him that time, like, Yo, this platform
is really changing people's lives, like off of art.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, if you get on there and you do what
you're supposed to do, who knows what comes right?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Like, literally, i ain't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
What's something you were once afraid of then no longer
scared you put myself out there. I don't fear that anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I feel like the more I put myself out there,
not even on, not even on like I'm doing it
for the sake of anything. It's just I feel like
the more honest I am about myself and everything I'm
going through, it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Just seems like the more people keep coming in. I'm
not even gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
We was on this Jiitsuur doing that same man in
the Garden versus as Wow, because I'm seeing people after
the show. I'm talking about show get let out, after
the gig show, you got a hundred two hundred, three
hundred people waiting and to just talk to me about how
that verse really resonated with him and hit And that's
like it mean a lot because again, a couple.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Months ago, I'm sitting at my job taping on the
computer writing up X Y and Z.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I wasn't thinking about this, but.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
A couple of weeks past, every night sound out merch
like we had to reap so many times on the
tour because they just kept buying shit, and I'm like, well,
this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So I feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Just being myself, and you know, I think to become SUSCEPF,
we gotta be willing to embarrass yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And sometimes it don't even be embarrassing. We just be
in our heads a lot. People really be needing the shit. Like,
you know what I'm saying, what's something you're still working through,
trying to work life balance?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I suck. I suck. It's not real. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I told my mama. I said, I feel like I'm
a really good rapper, but I gotta be a better son.
I gotta be a better brother, I gotta be a
better friend, gotta be a better cousin, better uncle. Like
That's what I'm trying to be. And that's something I
feel like. I really got to work at rapping. It
come naturally to me. But everything else is what I
gotta work. And I'm cool with that, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I would rather have it that way than just not
knowing what I want to do. But it's it's an
uphill battle, but I'm willing to work at it. That's
so interesting, man, because you know me and my wife
we always talk about how like, you know, there's no
manual for parenting, right, Yeah, but you just made me
think about something like as a rapper, there's like you
can do a mafia thin freestyle and somebody be like, yo,
you nice.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
You get the validation. Hey, you don't get that. Have
a father, or a son or a husband, Like, ain't.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Nobody you feel men Like your wife might tell you
every now and then you a good husband, But.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, you don't even know if you're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You don't know what you're working through, what you're working through,
or what you're working on is actually bringing you to
where you go.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
You kind of just got to go with the flow.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And that's just something I'm open to learning, just how
to be a better person altogether.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Like as your star girls, is that pressure of trying
to figure out all that other stuff, being a better son, brother,
all those things? Does that grow as well?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I think so, you know what I'm saying, I feel
like I spent the first part of like starting his career,
putting so much pressure on the work that I was doing,
to the point where like I become some meticulous in
detail the second nature. But I feel like now having
to deal with this other side is so much more
rewarding because I can see it in real time, me
writing versus every single day for two years in a row.
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You don't know what that turns into until you have
your moment. But picking up the phone from my mama
every day for the next two years, that's beautiful. I'm
not gonna get that back. That's time.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm never gonna be able to that. There's no amount
of money in the world.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
That can make that time up if I don't take
this moment to call my parents, Like I don't get
that back.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What do you feel is missing for rap right now
that you're intentionally trying to put back.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Niggas need to care. There's too many people who are good,
but they don't care enough. And I feel like that's
my problem, Like I can't. I know I'm personally talented.
I wouldn't even say that like I'm more talented than
the next man. I just think I care more, and
that's what I want to show people like, Yo, this
shit can be done, like we working this pay for
me projects, doing and a half weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's care.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I ain't never heard no shit like that. I ain't
never seen people do nothing like that. Two and a
half weeks, bro. For the moment Mafia thrown in it. Bro,
I literally locked the next day playing call my phone
to side.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
It's not it's not a long time, but you like
what Yeah, Bro, I'm a crackhead about this shit, Like
I really do this and I just want people to care.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I want people to put.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
The intensity in there. I remember, Uh, somebody has seen
one of my videos. They was like, Yo, you look
really angry and that. I'm like, Bro, I just wanted
to deliver the performance. I'm a really nice guy, y'all
see me. I ain't coming here on no bullshit.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
I didn't know what you were gonna be like in
person because they music it is very like intense, you know,
but you like super jolly.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I'll be flipping the switch like I'm very like chill,
very laid back. But when it comes to that, when
it comes to that ship, oh yeah, I'm a hooper.
But yeah, I just want people to care.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Again.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Like, I think we need to see more artists caring,
showing their journey, showing themselves going hard, because that's what
made me a fan growing up with like all the
people that we love. Now, when I see you know,
Cole going to do that be free joint he did
on that late night show.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's like, WHOA, that shit stuck with me forever.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I ain't gonna lie. I really modeled a lot of
my mafia throwing around that shit. It's like, bro, he
went up there and made a moment that we wasn't expecting.
Fucking I'm gonna do the same, you know what I'm saying.
So I just want people to care again.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Do you ever?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I mean it's interesting because like people love you because
you're honest. I love you because your emotion. Your emotion,
you expressure relatability. Do you ever feel pressure to, like
I guess, always show up as that strong, self aware
version of yourself that people are going to expect because
you're gonna have bad things.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah for sure. I mean it's they're my best friend.
Money man is he already know he see it all?
He know how I get. I feel like it's about
having pockets, Like there'll be days where I do be
down and like he'll see that, but maybe not everybody else.
And that's cool, Like that's my man's for life. We
just talk about things, we move from it, and we
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go through it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But I try not to show too much of that
because I've started to realize that I also have a responsibility.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
There are people in the world who be like bra
If I could show y'all some of the messages I've
received after this, it'll make you cry, like it's really
crazy how people looking at me. And I'm not gonna
be I'm not gonna be foolish act like I don't
got a responsibility. Granted, there's no pressure on me to
feel like I got to be somebody savior, but I
don't have any problem being the beacon. If somebody need
that to get through their days, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And and don't let people think that you perfect at
all at all. You might see, that's what I'm saying.
It might see you with some liquid, it might see you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Feel with the ladies, you know what I mean. Outside,
But I feel like that's the beauty of life.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Though for a very long time we've been watching everything
through like a perfect picture but like you got to
see how the artist got there, Like it takes so
much for us to show up every day.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm sure it took a lot for y'all to show
up today.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I don't know what you'all was going through, but it's
like y'all, you know, showing up at y'all best sales.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
But people have to realize it's so much more than that.
It's so much more than that. And I don't have
a problem showing that, Like it's okay to be your
health cool.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
What's the biggest misconception people have about Chris Patrick the
person versus Chris Patrick the artist?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
By this misconception.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
That I'm like very chilling, like perfect as a person,
I feel like as I meet more people, uh.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They just have to realize, oh, he's just like us,
like absolutely man, Like I grew up in easterns New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I was with the homies just like damn near everybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I feel like, if there's any misconception, I just want
people to know, like I'm a person. I feel like
for a very long time, just like streamers, I feel
like for a very long time, I existed on the Internet.
And this is like the year where everybody started to
see it in real talent, like this is a real
like this is a real person, not just some nigga
that you're seeing on one of them pages on Twitter
or some ship. Like this is a real deal person.
And I feel like as I continue to meet more people,
I think the feedback is, oh, yeah, you just like us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And it's just you know, I've been here with that
raw emotion, man, people can feel that.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I remember sitting at the house and you know, we
was listening to Ruben Vincent album with me and no
Ill of my wife listening to Ruby Vincent albums and Star.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And I love Marchael plus.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now that's my brother, both of them, Ruben and Marco
them my brother's for real. Very If you like Ruben
and Marco, you're gonna like. This is Chris Patrick and
she plays she just started playing.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I was like, who is Chris Patrick?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
And I was like, oh, that's what the dude from
the Mafia thumb and she just started playing me music
and I was just like, oh, I feel what I
feel what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Hey, I feel what you're doing. Appreciate.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I'm glad I found, you know, found a way into
your home to bump that for real? What's a what's a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Piece of advice you'd give this someone fighting through the
same doubts that you once had.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Show up every day. There's nothing you could do, Like,
there's nothing more you can do but just show up.
There's gonna be days where it's not like I'm not
gonna lie. Don't even think there's perfect situation. The perfect
situation is always now you can make the situation perfect.
There are gonna be times where you show up to
something and it's not going the way it's supposed to go.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But if you control what you have to do and
you prepare the way you have to prepare, it could
become the greatest situation of your life.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Like, nobody knows what I was going into going through
before the mafit down, but I showed up and did
my best and it became a perfect situation, you know
what I'm saying. And I feel like that's something that
everybody has to do consistently. Just wake up every day
and do your thing. As long as you do that,
you're good. And I feel like if you operate under
the guys that there is no reward, you're doing it
for you. You're gonna be rewarded every single day for
that something is crazy's gonna come your way and it's
gonna be like damn, I don't even expect it, but
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it's because you work for it unknowingly.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh I know why I bought that up. I bought
that up because it felt like it feels like it's
a new class. Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Like, you know, we always have that in hip hop,
and that's why you know, people still sleep on double exelf.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But I like when they do that freshman class thing.
But it feels like y'all are a part of a class.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Do you do you feel that, Like, let's be real,
when of the last time you've seen it, like, at
least within this space of hip hop, when's the last
time you really seen a class of people like this
many people going up that you identify it together.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, fifteen plus years ago when it was the Kendricks
and Nicoles and the Drakes and the Walets and yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, now even know if that's the same area.
I feel like Lee and Cudding, it might have been
like a class.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Before we could group them all up in there, they
all together in my mind because I feel like everybody
had impact impact at that time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But it's like, you're right, we haven't seen that.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Like I feel like individuals you might have seen pop
in and out, but we've never seen this many people
at least be all cohesive and on the same page
to do this you don't actually care about actually want
a rap for real, you know what I'm saying, Like
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I was crapping my projects with like the Rubins, the
Marcos Bean, Riley Swabs, like Jordan bean Is like every day,
like we was broke together. We was writing these projects together.
We were literally like putting all this shit together, bouncing
off ideas, we playing each other projects. We're like, oh
yeah we fuck with this.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
We don't fuck with this, Hey, bro work on this,
Like we always cracking the shit together. And then you
start to see that expand as we start to meet
more people and shit like that, like we really all
coming up together and this shit the same way they was.
So I'm just glad that everybody else could see it,
because for a very long time we just felt like
it was us in this low bubble and nobody realized.
And then you start seeing one person get it, then
another person get it, and the third person getting everybody
talking about everybody. So it's good that y'all can identify
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that the same way we've always been talking about for the.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Last year and a half.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I feel like y'all have the So it's the Internet,
but y'all know what to do with it. Like when
you mentioned Ruben, I think about like all of his
visuals and like, you know what I mean, Like when
I met him, I didn't know who he was, but
then when I followed him, I'm like, oh, like and
then I'm hearing your music and Marko plus and like
all these people. Y'all know how there's like a middle
point that y'all have figured out where it's Internet, but
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it's substance and it's work in business built around at
the same time, people can't like juggle that all yeah,
And that's like itself is like a oh, like it
makes you want to like tap in, like all right,
what's next.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
One thing we always study is like, you know, obviously
like the Cold Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's like one thing that they always did was beingm
pactful and regardless of what the Internet is talking about
as long as you hit that wave and you impactful,
they're it's cool, but you also got to go touch
the That's more than anything you got touch with people
Like this internet shit, it's only as real as we
let it be. But what's realist Showing up to a
spot and it's twenty five hundred people there. You ain't
never met them with Daniel life, but three hundred that
want to talk to you after the show, they want
to buy your shit. That's real impact. So as long
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as we can get out there, I mean obviously digitally
be killing it, but like, if you can go out
there and touch people in person, you good.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And you look at your future you know, musically, personally,
and most importantly spiritually. Yeah, what would success look like
to you? If you took the charts out, the awards,
screaming numbers, if you took all that out of the equation,
what would success look like?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Shit?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Mo, Mo, move my parents out of Jersey. They're like Texas,
they want to move down south for like Georgia. They
we want to move down south for a very long time.
And that's really where like my mind is. I swear
to God, I might even try to lie, but like
when I have my part time drive. I kind of
accept that, like if this is where my journey is
and it's cool, like it's just what it is, that's
the way it goes. So I feel like what's happening
right now is the bonus round for me, fucking the
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charts and all that other shit, Like if I could
make sure my parents is good, like that mean the world,
because when I it on myself, they never did, so
like I'm here for that.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
I had that same moment right before I got a
job that like changed my I was like, yo, if
it's over right here, I'm cool, Like I didn't and
then everything just like switch. It was like it's so weird, so.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Weird had it happens. And I feel like there's a
lot of detachment there. Unless you unless you seek the outcome,
the more likely it is for you to come. I
feel like people who granted I do believe that you
have to lock in for the work you're doing, but
it's not for the sake of the outcome. It's for
the sake of the work. But when you're so focused
on the result, a lot of times you miss the mark.
Like you can't be too hyper focused on that. You
gotta do all the intangibles that people can't see, Like,
they don't know if you're waking up at five in
the morning to get right. They don't know if you're
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writing every day, they don't know if you're trying to
work on X, Y and Z. That's the type of
stuff that's gonna bring you to where you gotta get to.
But you know, I feel you congratulations too. Also, I
think that's an amazing thing that you just shared with
me because people don't be talking about it like that.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You do the same shit.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You said something else that's very important too. You said,
you know, your last job, if that was it for you,
you were happy with that, And I truly believe that.
You know, God isn't gonna bless you with more unless
you appreciate what you have. Yeah, and you know the
fact that you had something that you appreciate and you like,
all right, God, this is cool.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm cool with this. That's why you receiving more blessings now.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, lie.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And that's why I'm trying to go hard too, because
it's like I feel like in the past, I'm out
of funding my opportunity, whether it being like I'm blinded
focused on the rose out.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know what I'm saying, doing shit I shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
If this is my opportunity to really get it crazy,
I'm not about to waste this somebody to go dumb hard,
because really I want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I gotta get it done. Listen, man, Chris Patrick, Pray
for Me is out December twelfth. That's tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, today, today, today, today, God damn.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Chris Pratrick Pray for Me is out right now. Man,
good meeting you, brother.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Nah, like well, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Thank you absolutely. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
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