INTERVIEW: Christopher Williams On Return To Music, Health Struggles, 'New Jack City,' 'The Book of Akbar'+More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day, a weak.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Breakfast club finish for y'all done morning.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Everybody's d j en V just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Charlamagne the guy we are the breakfast club. Lawla Ros
is here with us as well. We got a special
guest in the building. Yes, indeed, educated brother from the bank.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I never liked you anyway, Mistopher William.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm so glad.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm another light skinned brother and he is.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
To the writing you. He hates on us all day
every day.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't hate, but I did cheer with Nino Brown.
He talked me about it.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Reminds me about it all the time. You know, sel
Bay has a difficult job. He got the hottest seat
in America. How you feel, I'm great, I'm super great man.
How you feel everything is good? Man?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I don't think people realize how much your voice defined
an era. You saying like, like, how intentional was your
sound in the New Jack swing movement versus just being
a product.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Of that moment?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It was. It was intentional. I mean, I think we
were just trying at the time to fuse My thing
was so confusing because you know, everybody categorized me with
I'll be sure el the Barge, Chico Shamar, every light
skin dude that I had the voice of, uh perceived
darkston dude. I sounded like Teddy Pendergrass a little bit,

(01:23):
so it was kind of difficult. And I couldn't dance.
I'm from the Bronx. I can't even two step, so
I my rhythm is in other areas and I just
that was the most difficult thing earlier to finding that.
And once we got with Stanley Brown and I was
able to start honing in on exactly what that meant
frequency wise, what it sounded like. We came up with
dreaming and songs like every little thing and that kind

(01:44):
of like set the pace. And then I came home
because first I was signed to a rock label. I
couldn't get signed in New York because alb was so
hot wow. So I had to go to LA because
the similarity was, you know, different, really close, even though
we're really different. And I got a deal on a
rock label with David Geffen. They treated me like Elvis Presley,
but they didn't understand what we make. So I had

(02:06):
to come back home to wrestling. Andre didn't have to,
but Russell Andre would caught me the whole time, and
when I came back home to Uptown and the changes,
that's when I think the real defining happened, because if
you look at the timeline of my record in my
whole career, a lot of it is miscon screwed. Like
every dude on that record, from Tony Dopat to Puff
to DeVante to Vincent Herbert to Corey Rooney, Mark Morales.

(02:28):
Other than Corey and Mark, everybody was basically new and
we knew what they were gonna be, and we made
a record that we thought would compete with records like
My Mama or Keith Sweat's first album, because at that
point those were the those were the marks, like you
need to make a record as hot as that first
Keith Sweat record or Johnny Gills. My my mind and
I thought we did it, but internally there was just

(02:51):
a lot of things going on the Uptown and you know,
russ Andre sow We at the time didn't really after
the project was made, we didn't see eye to eye.
But honestly, our dream was the first guy who saw
me as an executive and that lived shortly. It was
a short lived thing, and then it was time for
me to just move on because I kind of like
at that point, I'm from the Bronx and I'm you know,

(03:12):
a lot of people talk about being from a certain environment,
certain circumstances, but I'm really from that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh, rest in peace to Andre.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Andre told me a story one time, man, he said,
don't let that light skin in that curly head fool
you with Christopher Williams.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Okay, he said, Christopher Williams was.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I heard your boy tyson on here one day talk.
I was like, damn, he.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Told me a story one time.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I don't know what you was upset about, but you
came into the Uptown Records upset and don't I don't
know what you was in there doing, but I know
they called Andrey.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
He was on the way to the airport. He said,
we'll call the police.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Charlotte
Mayne back then, I think it's one of the things
that I'm on now. You know, we have been taught
to knock each other down. And I love Dre with
all my I love Drea life man, but you know
his brother sometimes we don't get along. I experienced it
up here a lot, and I know you have a
job to do. You're great at well, you guys are
great at what you do, and there's a space for everything.

(04:07):
But at that time, the rubber had hit the road
and it was only my one career, and I didn't
realize how MCA had Andre bent over. For a lack
of better words, so we have to sometimes look at
what somebody else is dealing with with their shoes. But
I was young then and full of gas, and I
didn't I just wanted out, and you know, I basically
shut Uptown down. And basically that resulted in Mary getting free,

(04:31):
Yodasy getting free, and they were able to go ahead
and make oh my god, they were able to go
ahead and make Casey and jojo because you know everybody.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
You said, make him free.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
What did you mean to shut it down? Well, there
was no more uptown. There was no offices. There was,
I mean, there was a paperwork, that bad deal that
Andre had, but there was really no more uptown. The
offices were destroyed. There was no uptown, and I think
people then saw that there was something wrong and I
got all the blame for it. I got crucified for it,
that black ball for it. But for me, yeah, yeah,

(05:05):
destroying you know, just I wanted out my deal. So
basically for me at that point, it was like I'm
getting out my deal. I ain't cuter Kente. I don't
know cuter Kentey. There's no cum to Kente in me.
I'm a person. I'm not a goone, but I'm a soldier.
I believe in fair play. But I'm at a point
in my life now and this has happened years ago
where I'm about picking my brothers up. Too many We've

(05:27):
been taught to knock each other down. Everybody has a
gift set, so that that's where I'm at now. So
in hindsight, looking back on the Uptown thing, yeah, I'm
open to talking about anything, but I want people to
understand that that whole experience in Uptown was dope. Creatively,
it was a moment in history that's my favorite and
never be created again. Like if we had to just
film the meetings on Wednesday, it's comedy for a century

(05:50):
of comedy, Like those meetings on Wednesday. I was there
when Jimmy Love was yelling at Puff to go get cheesecake,
and that re enacted itself again, and that's no dish
to Puff I'm just saying, I'm me and Heavy D
were like the elder statesman at the label. I was
a free agent who came in. Mary and Jodesy Have
and father were there, and there were other artists there

(06:11):
who had not gotten the light of day at that time,
like Anthony Hamilton, Lord Jamal, Terry Robinson and them who
went on the right, Candy Rain and a bunch of hits.
So just like a long story in Uptown. And to me,
it is the second greatest black label other than Motive.
And the only thing I think I used to call

(06:33):
Andre baby Berry because the only thing I think Dre
was missing was the fortitude to stand up to make
his brand be treated like it should have been treated.
Andre's whole deal was cross collateralized. So that's like you
guys having a show here and it's successful. You know
what your analytics are, and they tell you that your
worth is based upon something going on CBS or something.

(06:54):
You're like, wait a minute, this is iHeart. We have
our own things. So everything was cross collateralized. And that's
when I started reading about the business. Not that I
hadn't of, but I started seeing all the landmines in
this record game. So not that I wanted to step
out and have a long hiatus, but I truthfully never
believed that I was gone, and I always knew my

(07:15):
career would rekindle, like when I saw Charlie Wilson come back.
I had just done to play with Charlie. We was
doing Urban Theater and I think they was paying Charlie
and no dis to Charlie. I think they were paying
him two thousand dollars a week and he had gotten sick.
Same thing happened in the Urban Theater with Allie Woodson.
Alli Woodson who sang treater like a lady for the Temptations,
he was also going through that and he got sick,

(07:36):
but he died. So I saw Charlie go from the
grave back to who he is today. And record company
people will say, you know, I knew it. You're lying.
You didn't know anything. You had no idea. There was
no circumstantial evidence that Charlie Wilson return like that. But
you know, when you have a gift that's given to you,

(07:56):
man can't stop it. It's just your perspective. Prophet Bob
Marley said, you only you can free your mind from
mental slavery. All the stuff I listen to you guys
all the time, and the topics and the political things,
and you know things you have to And it's interesting
because again it all relates back to this system that
has been created for us to exist in. People don't

(08:18):
realize this whole thing is a system. The Rothschilds and
the Rockefellers created the economy, they created Washington, they created
the language, They named us what they thought our name
should be. And when you start reading and understanding who
you really are and going back to oneself, you find
real love. And then you can love your brother and
your sister. So I believe that, you know I hear.

(08:40):
Like earlier you guys were talking, it's like, well, how
do you still have hope? It has to be in,
it has to be within, and your perspective has to
be yours. You know, it's easy to be a big mac.
Anybody could be a big Mac because you look at
what's trended and you go, Okay, I'm gonna put two
all beef patty special sauce letther cheese, pickles onions on me,
and then I'm cool. But do you really feel like yourself?

(09:02):
And biblically you could you could relate it to the
simulation of David when he went before King Saul. He
was like, I'm gonna give you all the gold and
the chariots to slay the giant. He was like, I've
been slaying giants. You just don't know it. I've been
slaying giants, you just don't know it. I come from
eating will projects. I was born to slay a giant.
But now I don't slam with this no more. I

(09:23):
slam with this. So my my journey and this thing
and what I mean to the culture, it always touches me.
And I'm humble because I really feel the best is
yet to come.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Going back to the conversation earlier, were you Andre Herrel?
I saw somewhere that Andre was talking about that he
was willing to forgive that whole incident of y'all moved forward?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Was that true? Yes, it was very true, And yeah,
we loved each other. That's that's what hurts so bad.
Again when you when it's your brothers, I mean, I
think all of us. I know you can and ye
and I know you can. You grown up where you
grew up with Who would say, come on? If you
would have said this in high school, I'm gonna be
Charlemagne to God. They would have been like you put

(10:06):
him in the little bus. I mean, think about when
we all were in sixth grade. If we'd have just said,
what do you want to be when you grow up?
If you have said the President of the United States,
everybody in your class would have laughed at you because
that was a ceiling of perception that had not been
touched yet. And the power of what you say and

(10:30):
how you do. You said that earlier. Don't let your
emotions dictate a momentary thing. Your emotions will lead you
to damnation every time, your ego, your vanity. We're watching
this over and over with our great Black brothers, whether
you like them or you don't like them. So for me,
I'm at a season I have. You know, I've heard
all the noise. I've endured all the noise. It doesn't

(10:53):
bother me. I get it. You know. They are things
brought up about me that were just absolutely crazy stuff.
The people that really know me want to react in
a certain way, but I'm always like, listen, this is
this is why they're lighting the match, because if we
continue to blow up on each other, this is what happens.
They win. They keep this like a dog chasing his tail.

(11:14):
He keeps biting that tail till there's no more tail
at the end.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
What do you think people who misunderstood the most about
you during your peakys.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
That I had talent. I mean, in my twenties, it
was all about either being Albi Shure's cousin or looking
a certain way, or who I dated. And I get
you and I get that, but it never really superseded
the other stuff. I remember we were going meetings. I
remember my first meeting a gifting. They was like, put
on Bobby Brown's pants. We're gonna we had they had

(11:42):
a stylist there. They were gonna cut my hand in
the gumby. I was like, yo, I can't. I can't
dance and I love Bob Bob those that for fat.
I remember it's my first soul train and I was
like me, Bob and all of boys, So the pitting's
not gonna work, you know what I'm saying. And I
understand that. You going to say, well, Yo, you're a
light skined dude. You can sing. Al sings the way

(12:04):
he sings. Al has a falsetto like El DeBarge and
Bobby de Barge and the greats before him. I have
a baritone. I sing like Luther, James, Jeffrey and Barvin
Gay and people like that.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
I literally said, when I was listening to good Enough
that you telling you can be I was like this,
given Luth and Eil a little.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Bit, I can't wait to you here a woman of
the year, especially you period. Okay, already.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Brown her husband now.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
She love, go ahead and go ahead, thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I was going to ask you know what that Hiatus,
what what said this is the time to come back?
Because it was you were going for a long time
and almost like a lot of your history. I don't
want to say it was not there, but people forgot
about you, and even with some of the younger people
back here when they said when we said Christopher Williams, they.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Had no idea.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I had to play music and go back like nah,
this was his song, this was his other song. I
had to show them and they had no idea. So
why to come back?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well? November fifth, twenty twenty one, I was sick for
the first time in my life. I passed out and
didn't you know, I'm a person again. Like a lot
of brothers, I don't avoid the doctor, but I'm always
looking for an indigenous remedy. Okay, you know, So this
time I ran out of remedies and my kidneys had
actually really failed. I was in Vegas with the guys

(13:25):
from Cooling the Game. We were opening up the first
gaming park. Huge project we were working on, but it
fell through, so at the end we packed up, and
I think the stress of it. And I was with
a bunch of retired Caucasian brothers, super cool guys with
a mere band, and we were drinking the finest cognacs
and liquors and Louis the thirteenth and stuff. And I've
never been a drinker. I'm a roster. And my kidneys

(13:47):
couldn't take it. So I got sick. And then I
woke up twenty four days later out of a coma.
And what's funny is Al started reporting it first, I'll
be sure, and then he fell into a coma. And
when I came to, I was one hundred and thirty
pounds in paralyzed and I was walking around about two hundred.
You know, I'm six one two hundred. That's only one

(14:09):
ninety five two hundred. So I woke up in hell,
you know. But It was the best thing I think
that could have happened to me because everything got stripped
away from me. Everything you know, I've been paying insurance,
every single thing was like a test for me. It
was like revelation to say, Chris, this is what your
purpose to do now, Like this music and come back

(14:30):
is just a platform for what I'm really gonna do.
And one of the main things is that everything has
been coming full circle. Like you know, I hear saving
like Chase the bad, Chase this. I've never chased nothing.
I don't chase. And if I'm in pursuit, then I'm
out of pocket because that means I'm doing something I
shouldn't be doing. So full circle, get out the hospital.

(14:54):
I'm not on one pill. My kidneys totally recovered. I'm
not on one pill, and all because of me believing
that I don't just read things. I really go in
and say, Okay, let me see how this works for me.
And sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. But it came
full circle because I had went in the studio and
then I ran into somebody that hadn't seen in a

(15:15):
long time. I knew a kid fourteen years old named
Vincent Herbert, so Vincent came to me with a whole
staff acts, writers, producers, and he was dead. Seriously when Edgeward,
I think he came to mind. I don't know how
he met me. I think through one of the girls
I was dating, or somebody had flown in and he said,

(15:36):
I'm going to be you know, like Clive Davis. You know,
I thought it was funny. A lot of people come
to you when you're hot and music. But he has
something about him because again he had a stylist, writer staff.
Faith Evans was a byproduct of that through Kayamer Griffin,
and I gave him some bread to go in the studio.
He started coming by my house and the rest is history. Now,

(15:56):
the ironic thing about Vincent Faith is that, unlike people
in music, you know that there's a there's a possession
in that. So it's like you owe somebody something. But
I believe you sow a seed because I know I
hear Christians that I know where my help comes from.
But you want payback for so and to seed. So
I've never been like that. So I sowed the seed

(16:18):
because I know I had windows open for me, I
had grace on me. So to watch Faith Evans and
Vincent Herban and these people that I had been instrumental
in having the honor of touching. It came full circle
because I said, listen, I just went in the studio
Vents with the goat Troy Taylor. Big shout to Troy Taylor,
and I said, he said, well, let me check the temperature.
I want to see what you're doing. You want to

(16:38):
see how you sound, because you know, do you sound
out of pocket, do you sound like you're trying to
make a record to young or you sound dated? And
I played a song phone called Woman of the Year,
and that's when we started pursuing it. Then I had
realized in my hiatus, I had not wasted time because
I never stopped working. I just wasn't on the mainstream
and I was no longer invited to the white house.

(17:01):
You know what I'm saying. And that's cool because again,
I'm from a black house. I might be light skinned,
but I'm from a totally black house, like a chemic,
a comedic house. That's how black. My house is so
fast forward. I said, well, Vince, you know I remember
saying something to Vince. I said, you know, Vince, if
you ever got focused on my project. We could do

(17:22):
something even greater than maybe Charlie Wilson or we if
we come close, we you know, we're back, we'd win.
And that to him was like focus, Like nigga, I'm
gonna show you. Excuse me? Can I say that, I'm
show you. I'm gonna show you what focus is. And
then we just started, you know, knocking records down, and
I knew that the synergy was back because I never

(17:42):
wanted to cut the new single good Enough, and we
had great records already, but I was gonna cut this
song called church Boy, ironically, which I was a church boy.
I'm not into organized church anymore, nothing against the church.
But we wound up. He said, yo, going and cut
good Enough. And MY first thing was like, man, it
sounds like you know, you shure. That doesn't sound like

(18:02):
that sound like a breezy song. But part of that
was appealing to me because I really I love Chris Brown,
like that's my to me, that's like my musical nephew. Well,
if I could pick a musical son, he'd be that son.
So but he danced, Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
He does more than dance. I seen Holmes get down
for three hours ever, you know that's beyond dancing and
the crazy stuff is I didn't see no band, I
didn't see nothing. It was just the breezy show. So
kudos to that young man for enduring. Because you know
when when a lot is given to you, the swords
come out, you know the vanity is there, but then
they want to they want to persecute you as they did.

(18:39):
You're shure, and he's taking all of it in stride.
He keeps rising above it by showing people his colors,
showing him his gifts. That it is endless, whether it's painting, dancing, singing, writing,
he's just he's a voice. He's he's this generation's Michael Jackson,
if you ask me. So kudos to Chris not to
spend so much time. But I found my groove again

(19:02):
because I never stopped. But I never stopped. So and
though my hiatus, I wrote a movie about my aunt
Ella Fitzgerald, which I presented to Vincent. They love it.
But the thing that really caught his eye and HBO's eyes,
I wrote a story called the Book of oc Ball.
So I was in a movie called New Jack City.
I played Kareem Mockball where darkskinned dude snitched on me.

(19:22):
Charla Magne, He definitely, why do you do that, charlat man?
And that's my man. Like West put me in college.
People don't know I went to Purchase College. I was
in the street Wes and my next door neighbor lived
in apartment down the hall, Darren Cotton. He went to
Purchase College and he knew I could see, know I
could say. And I used to hang around GQ because

(19:43):
they're out of my block too. I used to watch
GQ play as a youth. And I was raised in
the drummer's household, Paul Paul Saber, but they called them
Paul Service. So I was raised as Jamaican because I'm adopted,
I don't know anything else. So even my whole life
they called not Chris, not the album, So I had
a different perspective. These guys made it so every bread

(20:08):
crumb in my life was showing me that all this
stuff is possible. You know. I watched one of my
one of my mentors, my idols, Bill Underwood, discovered Johnny
Gill and I saw him start to transition, but it
caught him. So these were all lessons for me.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Hold on Chris, you're speaking a little bit. Now, hold
on your aunt elephant. Gerald, Well, he's not paying for
you to go through college. Tell us about that.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Wesley didn't pay he got me to go to school.
So him and thryn Coin was like, YO, you're talented.
If you stay on this road, you're gonna you're gonna
fuck your life up. And I was having my first
child at the time, so it was important for me.
I was paying attention. So I wound up going to Purchase.
While at Purchased, I caught the acting and music, but
actually through West because I got to watch him do

(20:52):
a one man play I'll Never Forget This written by
John Williams called The Riven Niger, and I was like, Yo,
this dude is a super nova. Then he would stop
doing the play and on Wednesday he was the DJ.
West was a DJ called West his Best, We's his Best,
and every Wednesday night of South he would perform and
he would vogue all night while DJing. So I caught

(21:14):
the entertainment bug there, and I literally at that point
was like, I'm not going back to no hustle. I'm
not going back to no street active, no nothing. I
was dating and I'm not name dropping. I was dating
Stacy Dash at the time, I had we had a child.
I was living and actually I was living forgot about,

(21:39):
so we were living on eighty Second in York. I
used to actually wake up every morning and walk by
Mayor Conscia's house and I would talk to security. So
all of this stuff was evolving and I was seeing
my dreams coming true. But at that very summer, it
was April, it was spring, my best friend Greg Chandler
was murdered on College Avenue and that changed everything for me.
It was like, very second, shut everything down, went straight

(22:03):
to California with Stacey, and that's how I got my
record deal. I was hanging out one night in Dancy, Terria.
We were visiting for the holidays, and Stacey had Marissa
to May and Lisa Bonet and all her girlfriends were
hanging out. So Michael Rosenblat from Geffen Records comes up
to me and he's like, who are you? Because I
got a bunch of fine girls with me, and I
was like who are you? And he was like, I
signed Madonna and I was like yeah, and I'm king tut.

(22:26):
But the truth was he had signed Madonna. I never
again I never chased a record deal. It was like
the breadcrumbs of my life. So he says, listen, you know,
we don't do black music, but I think you're. I
think you're you know, the son. You got something I
just need to hear. Can you really sing? Because at
that point they were gonna sign me sightseeing because really,
because I'll be sure, because they were like, whether you

(22:47):
could sing or not, we want to sign you. But
then I hooked up with Timmy Allen Fritz Cadet to
old friends who went on to do R Kelly to
me work with R Kelly and the Backstreet Boys. We
made a song called Lover Come Back and I forget
that it's been thirty six years, guys. But we made
two songs and that got me my record deal, and

(23:08):
all along I started singing. So the first attorney tried
to jerk me. Then I went to my aunt Ella,
So I'm trying to correlate the stories. That was the
only time I ever asked my aunt for help. I
asked her for legal help how to deal with the
situation I was in. She referred me to somebody. I
got a different attorney. Then I made my first major
record deal with Geffen Records, and they treated me amazing.

(23:30):
They just did not know black music at the time.
They had David Pison and Ray Parker Jr. And Jennifer Holliday.
Those were the acts that were there. And we did good,
but not great because they did not understand what to
make on me. So a lot of the producers they
were coming, they didn't want me dealing with New York
because they didn't really want me going back to New

(23:50):
York because of what I was just coming out of.
So fast forward, we did a little action on promises.
In the first song, I talked to Myself, which was
a rip of Bobby Brown's My parajh. So again they
get me in the office talk to Myself. Ain't even
on the record, and they're like, you know, they got
everybody there shooting the spiel. They got the stylust with
Bobby's pants, the barber who cut Bobby's hair. But I

(24:13):
was like, I don't I'm not doing that. I can't
do it. But then they gave me a check for
one hundred thousand, and I said, Okay, let's let's go
sing talk to Myself. So we did that. It was
a long break. I remember trying to break the record,
and this is music language. Back then, you had to
break the record at radio. It took us about fourteen
weeks to make Breaker. We finally did it and then

(24:34):
it was like, Okay, we got something. Then I dropped
the song I wrote called Promises Promises, which was really
the pre limb to smile again for Bell Biv Devau
and I can explain how that happened, but that sort
of launched my career and kind of separate me. Separated
me from the other people they will mention me against
because they were like, wow, based upon what promises is

(24:56):
the frequency and promises this dude can sing. He can
sing sing, So Promises hit got my first I think
it was top five record, and then it moved onto
New Jack City and the rest was history. I wound
up reuniting with Wesley, which was really dope. Did Wesley
get you in New Jack City? Know? Our auditioned with
Pat Golden won it. But the great thing about it
was when they told me I got the job. They

(25:18):
were like, Nino Brown is going to be played by
a guy named Wesley Snipes, and again this is the
bread crumbs of my life. I'm like, yo, this is crazy.
This can't be. And I remember seeing one hundred twenty
fifth Street in front of the old Floor Shine before
they closed it out, and we were laughing about British
Walkers not being in style anymore, and he was like, Yo,

(25:38):
this is gonna be so dope to shoot the movie. Now,
by the time we shot the movie, my record was
blowing promises in the first album and my star was shining.
So by the time we got to shoot New Jack
they couldn't even put me with the rest of the
cast because they were knocking my trailer over chasing us.
It was I was getting the Bobby I'll be Shore treatment,

(26:01):
And that's what I used to call it, because that's
what that's why I first witnessed the power of music
for my own Like I've seen it through Michael Jackson
and obviously my aunt being Elephant Gerald, but I'd never
seen it for me in my own eyes. And when
I saw Bobby and got a chance to be cool
with him, Oh, when I saw Bobby and got a
chance to be you know, cool with him, I was

(26:22):
like the pandemonian he would cause was crazy. Bobby was
the king and alb was the Prince, and I was
the Enigma and those times were great, and uh, that's
kind of how it came.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Nah, I mean it's a staple.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And I mean it's iconic.

Speaker 5 (26:40):
It's yes, iconic, cultural and you.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Know, it's funny now that we're shooting the Book of Aqua,
it's funny to see that. You know, New Jack was
originally written by a Caucasian brother. Really, yeah, Dwight, and
uh they had Barry Michael Cooper rest in Peace Barry
rewrite it, and Uh, I was originally g money. Really,
kudos to my brother. I was on Al Hayman's Superfest,

(27:03):
a butvewise a superfest, and you know, I wasn't gonna
break my deal with Al for one k Newjack wasn't
paying like the Superfest, and I wanted the opportunity. But
I Cassandra Mills at the time, who was my manager.
She got George and Doug to agree that if I
did dreaming, she had found the song from Hiram Hicks
and Stanley Brown. If I did dreaming, could we create

(27:24):
a character. And you know, I think we all were like, yo,
there's no five percenters of Muslims or anything like that.
So they created Kareem Mockbar and that's how I became
Kareem Mockbar. And now thirty years later I wrote the
book of Ockba, which is so Kareem's coming out to
fed So at the end of the movie, when the
tapes were stolen and they were making deals, Kareem actually

(27:45):
in real time had his own deal, but with the
real cartel, and he basically took the money that was
stolen and invested in gold and silver bars and bitcoin,
which was actually around then but we didn't know about it.
So Kareem stays ten toes down with the cartel. He
doesn't snitch on anybody Italians other Mexicans. He comes out
twenty some years later. He's a made man. But he's

(28:06):
an interesting character because Kareem is really like Abo Vacari.
His perspective is to take the street thing and build
the youth so that we have a different perspective about
each other. So it's a it's a duel between good
and evil the whole time. And the young people that
we got slated. I want Davey used to play Mustafa,
who's Kareem Mockbar's son. We got a boogie with the

(28:29):
Hoodie slated to play Nico who's the illegitimate son of
Nino which Kareem raised, and then you find out later
on it's not really Nino's son. But that's one of
the twists. Iced Tea is interested in still being Scotty.
He's now internal affairs, So it's a it's a crazy
I was.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Talking about the New Jack City sequel, and everything I
was hearing was corny.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
But and they waited too long. Like we all in
our late fifties and some of us in our sixties,
what we're gonna do. The geriatric Street you.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Would have got about thirty years you was deleted, the
tam you got about.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Thirty Yeah, so we we basically did it like that,
and the story has so much more Again, this story
in a hundred episodes will go from what we loved
in New Jack to a new perspective that's gonna be modern, chemic,
and it's something that we've not seen on television before.
Imagine a world where we all were who we really are,
where nothing was taken, nothing was indoctrinated, nothing with nothing,

(29:30):
no identities, no no anything like really understanding who we
are and living in real time in it.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Did you know film in New Jack City that the
characters in New Jack City were going to be as
big as they were, Like you're Chris rocksheah, of course
I see, But I did an actor, Wesley as.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
An actor, g Money as an actor.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Did you see that, I'm not gonna lie in viall?
I didn't. We were having fun. Man. It was like
you know again for me at the time too, I
really didn't get the whole gist of the movie because
I had to be set art it a lot, because
it was disruptive to the shooting. Like I remember once
we were shooting at the Carter and our trailers were

(30:07):
right one hundred and seventeenth Street. They knocked my trail
over like like literally, there was like we're getting in,
We're getting in this niggas trail all women. Well, I
hope so.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So Keisha daughter.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
No. But but what we do have the guys in
is there getting the rights is that he has trouble
sleeping after all these years. He did four years in
the shoe at different times. And I'll explain why he
had to do four years in the shoe because Nino
sent people to kill him. There's a small twist. Nino's
not dead, okay, Okay, I heard that. So, but the

(30:46):
thing is, Wesley's never wanted to do another gangster thing
because even when we were trying to make New Jack two,
was always West saying, I don't want to do another
I'm not interested. And even though he did the Dependables,
so I mean, this is a small joke. I don't
like if you're going to do the Dependables too, So
we never got to do it. And then the time
went on and we would hear other things, and then
all of us were kind of like now. So basically

(31:08):
the main people are dream Sequence because Kareem is an
interesting dude. Like his whole mannerisms, he's going to remind
you of like a cross between Denzel and the Equalizer
in Abu Bakari, because his forward thinking is like Billy
Carson or Yaki Awaken. His nutrition is like Aries Latham.

(31:28):
He's an indigenous dude who's been stripped of everything, kind
of like Christopher Williams. But through that he's not bitter.
It makes him better. He gets a different perspective about oneself,
so he's able to interact with people differently, how he
takes everything in life different. So back to the original,
I didn't want to go around the block. But that's
when I died Charlemagne. That's what happened, Like everything became

(31:51):
precious to me. I literally just started moving this right arm,
like maybe six months ago. But I was able to
mock that it wasn't hurting to get my performance going
again because I knew that it would take building a platform,
because you have to have a voice. And you know,
that's why a lot of times when things would come
against me, I wouldn't speak on it because I was like,

(32:12):
if someone knows me, they know me, they know what
I stand for, they know what they know the man
that I am, and as long as my kids and
my family are straight, the rest is kind of like,
you know, I can't control that narrative. So you know,
I got black ball. And again, I never felt the
chain because I've always been a rebel in a sence,

(32:33):
and I know that this whole indoctrination is a chain.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I don't know if you realize, I mean, but you
know it was like you know they had to do.
There was you know, fixed up the crack and coca
the building.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So you want me to be one of them?

Speaker 5 (32:50):
One of them?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, it's a timeless record. What was happening in your
life when you recorded that record.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Fun Rock, rock Star, rock Star, Crazy Again. That was
a time like when me Alan Bobby were hanging out
a lot and we were just really on some twenty
two twenty three year old rock star. It was, you
know again, every day it was feet partner. Everywhere there
was a feet would partner. They were arching point and

(33:23):
all kinds of shit. So we was having fun and
I just was also trying to experience transitioning from the
Bronx and the life that I was coming out of.
And people don't realize, like at the peak of my career,
I lost my little brother, my grandmother, and my mother

(33:43):
back year one one one year after year, so that
kind of slowed me down a little bit. And then
when the things from the business started weighing on me,
and you know, the heartbreak with Andre, I think the
I think sitting out and going in a hiatus or
a wilderness sort of like going through the wilderness. That
was my that was my journey, that was to be

(34:04):
my thing, and it was a cross that only Christopher
could bear. I started witness a lot of artists who
were like, you know, bitter, and I was like, I don't.
I'm not that guy. I mean, even with cats my
age come and do interviews, a lot of times they'll
be like, well, yo, what do you think about the
crap that's out right now? I'm like, what are you
talking about? Chris Brown ain't crap. Her ain't crap, Jasmine

(34:24):
Sullivant ain't crap, Ellie Mayin crat, some of Walker's not crap.
These people are young, gifted people, and just like when
we were coming up, we loved hip hop, or we
loved what we loved, and they didn't get that. They
said hip hop was from the devil and that it
would never last. Fifty years later, the whole world fifty
two years later, the whole world is honoring it. And

(34:45):
these brothers who stood for who they really were, are
not only just icons. Like what do you say about
the dialogue and prognostication of KRS one. Chris is a teacher.
He's a better teacher than any Board of Education teacher
ever history. And no dish to the teachers out here
trying to do the right thing. But I remember my

(35:05):
godson was on his way to Harvard and in ninth grade,
they were trying to literally pusic persecute Drew because they
were like, yo, he's cheating. My godson had read by
thirteen all the bought of education books, so he looked
at the teacher straight in his face, like, I know
the lessons you're giving me before you give them to me.
So this isn't there's no teaching. We leave school not

(35:26):
knowing taxes or credit. They're not teaching, they're setting you up.
We go to an institution where the teachers don't know us.
It looks just like a prison. If you put barb
wires and somebody on a watchtower, it's basically a prison.
And then doctrination that it teaches you food wise everything.
I stayed in the hospital six months. I was with

(35:47):
a dude, old Kat from Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska. Forget his name,
honestly because I watched some of it out, but I
remember him having really bad diabetes where they would come
at two o'clock in the morning, take them and you know,
they take him and get him his treatments and stuff,
and he was in a lot of pain. But that
next morning they would bring him high fruit toast corn
syrup for breakfast.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
So I was like, yeah, so I pushed back off
of it. They were trying to give me drugs, and
it's funny that they're trying to give me drugs. The
world is calling me a crackhead. I'm fighting for my
life and I don't even want those drugs. I just
want to split and goddamn herbs. So again enduring all
of that and saying, Okay, you got to stand strong

(36:33):
and have the right perspective in order to go forward
the proper way, what your path is. So that's really
what it was about. Man, I just I started not
this is a society where everybody's looking left and looking right.
And I tell Christians this all the time. You're so
worried about what the bottom line is in the church
or what your pastor you forgot about the work of

(36:53):
the Creator. You're doing the work of the church. And
if you really have faith and you have this relationship
and shit, one, where was he from twelve to thirty
that shuts the holes, that shuts everything down? Then two,
if you if you're paying attention to him, why you
worried about what jay Z got it? You worried about
what Puff got, You worried what Michael Gate, what Bill

(37:14):
Gates got you what if you if you paid attention
to who you were, you were the first to get
a zillion, but you so enamored with the billion or
the six hundred million, you ain't gonna get to it
because we're so busy looking left and looking right and
having contempt and envy and jealousy and this no pun intended.

(37:35):
So I had to get out of that, you know.
And it was important for me to do that for
me as a man and who I am as a man,
and for my kids so they could see that music
don't make me. I make music. I put my pants
on the same way at thirteen that I do now,
so no matter the snare or whatever's going on. And
I in doing that, when I came out of the hospital,
I felt like I was a much better person and

(37:56):
I see things super clear, and it's just my path.
I'm not saying I'm right. I'm saying I'm right for me.
So that's where I'm at today.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
When you talk about the.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Time when you were like a black ball, you mentioned
that your relationships overshadowed a lot of your talent. Yeah yeah,
what from that time of who you were dating? So
you mentioned Stacy Dash also halle Berry was a person.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I broke up with Hallie because of that. Nothing ever
happened with me and Hollie. Holly's an amazing girl. I
heard y'all talking about her earlier, with her staying against
Governor Nusom, so shout out to my friend, that's always
gonna be, Sir Rafie. I hope I'm saying that're right.
They called me Mufassa. So these are characters from the
Lion King. My son is Simba, my g baby is Copa,

(38:39):
so she's We've always been friends in that whole thing
with both Leo's and I always again, I remember Vincent
coming to me and be like, hey, pal, you listen.
He used to talk like Burt Pidell. You know, How's
got a great future in front of right, And I'm like, yeah,
she got a great future behind her too. So he'd

(39:02):
be like, but man, you know all the tension in
your career. Man, you know, you and wrestling, Andrea fighting,
and you know, I love Leor, but you know and
Leor Again, Leo was like, my man, fifty grand Leor
got me my apartment on Houston Street, and he used
to live right around the corner on Avenue A or
B one or the other, I can't remember, but we
were politics every day and this was a really thriving time.

(39:23):
But again the heartbreak of before the breakup was so
the week before I signed the Uptown, Mark Siegel, who
was at ICM, told me to stop messing with my
brother Mark Cheatham. Don't mess with the help because Mark
at the time was getting me all the work. I
never knew Mark Siegel, after signing the Uptown would become
the president of my record label when I had signed

(39:45):
to him being my agency. So now I'm in bed
with an agency who no longer wants me to work
because now the agent who signed me is now running
the record and then the whole dichotomy at Uptown changes.
So what me and Andre had agreed to I was
executive producer. Andre saw me because again he saw the
moves I was making outside of music and just my

(40:05):
general heart like I always know that giving people opportunity
is a great thing. Now what they do with it
is on you, and I have no expectations from it.
So then I'm free of it. I've sown the seed,
I'm free of it. And that's not how this business works.
All of us sitting here. No, that is not how
this business works. So I've always been, like I guess

(40:26):
perceived a little different in music. And that was the
whole come about after when I got out the hospital,
just saying I'm confident in who I am. I'm a
better man than I was when I was twenty five.
And that's evolution. I think we all know are I
think my daughters grew me up a lot, big shouting.
My oldest daughter, Chrissy, her birthday was yesterday and she

(40:48):
just got back from Iceland. She's an oceanographer. She dives
in the ocean and films. So my daughter's like, you know,
my kids are blessed. Everything is in a good place. Again,
I'm sitting here at the breakfast club twenty nine years move.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Why because of your gifts?

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
So I want to about the coma thing, right, you said,
I know when I'll be sure announced that you were
in a coma.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Your team came out and said it wasn't true.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
True. Well, my sister, Belinda, my sister did we don't
you know I've never involved my family. You know, it's
you know again, you're to bring your your family into
what you already endure. Everyone's not made like that. You
you have a shield, you have a perspective of who
Charlemagne is, and you're like, I can deal with this.

(41:35):
But a lot of people are not built for this,
and it really affects them. We see that all the
time with artists. I see artists who are always you know,
like they're bitter, they're making excuses, and I'm like, this
is not life.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
It is.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It is a job in a sense now it is
an art form, and it's dope to be able to do.
Like when you love something, you don't see it really
as a job. You get to make money and take
care of your family. So that's the space I've always
been in, and you know, I'm just again. My journey's
been amazing. You know, like any other life, there's been
ups and downs and challenges, but you know, because of

(42:09):
grace and mercy, I've always rise to the occasion. And
I think this comeback for me is going to be
kind of strange to a lot of people because why now,
why so long? Why did they roam around in the
wilderness for forty years before they got to the Promised Land?
And my company has been called Promise Land for twenty
five years and my email for my whole life has

(42:32):
been clw Lyon of Judah. So again, these breadcrumbs have
all come full circle to who I've become as a person,
a man and an artist.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
What did Andre Herell seeing you early on that maybe
you didn't even see.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
In yourself a business man and he took I learned
a lot from Dre and Russell, I really did. But
I also learned about the pitfalls of this business, you know,
I you know again, we had a lot of fun.
But my approach to fund was different. You know. I
grew up in a time where you courted women, you know,
if you liked each other certain you know, look, and
gave each other whatever. And I got music and it

(43:11):
was like, okay, they're buying girls. I remember Burt Padel
used to call me in office be hey, hey, how
many models made the shopping spree last night? When Russell
Landre and I'll be like, bro, I don't know, And
not as a disrespect to them or as a disservice,
but we were doing the best. People don't realize Russell,
Dre and the people who had production labels, Dick Griffy

(43:34):
rap a lot these guys went against all odds, even
Sugar Knight. Death Row was brilliantly formatted. It had a
bad intent. The heart behind it became bad. The vanity
became more important than the original mission, which was to
be owners. I used to see checks and people don't
really well. Me and me and Eric B were the

(43:57):
East Coast reps for Death Row. No one ever knew that,
but it's true. If you check Tupac when he was
going off in New York, he was like the only
niggas in New York. After what is Eric being Crystal Williams.
We opened up a death ro ease and I was like,
whoa easy bro, I'm from New York. I got to
go back home. But it never happened, unfortunately, but fortunately
because there was so much of the same going on

(44:18):
in Death Row, not respecting dre discounting who Snoop was,
discounting the artists, the treachery, the beatings, the debauchery, and
I see the residue of all this stuff, and again
I was like, I feel fortunate that I'm unscathed in it.
You know what I'm saying. I have no malice for
marrying that sugar Sugar. We were super cool. I remember

(44:42):
Sugar approached my girl at the time. They was at
some awards and he was like, yo, you know who
I am. And she was like, yeah, you know who
I am. And he was like, oh, you want to
be from New York. She was like, well, I'm here alone,
but I know I have a man. He was like,
who's your man? He's like Christal Williams. He was like,
his whole energy change. He was like, give him my number.
I've been looking for him, but he was being brutus
until because I really am one of the Titans changed.

(45:10):
I've just changed. My heart is different, bro, I'm better.
I want to build my brothers. I want to build
my sisters. You know what I'm saying. I can't do
it by myself. It's not my mission. But if one
person takes that perspective, and each one of us take
that perspective, then things could change. Now, the important key
is when this platform comes about and I'm given the

(45:31):
autonomy to do that, then I got to stay true
to the mission because that's when the vanity and all
the crazy stuff happens, and that's when you got to
be really strong. I mean, it's no different than any
other person's purpose or journey. We're seeing all the stuff
that's going on in the world right now. There's no
apparent reason why this government should be in the shambles

(45:53):
that it's in. But I've never believed in government because
I'm well read. The only systems that have ever worked,
and the history of man is ancient chemic. That's why
all the names are changed. We call it Africa. That's
not even the name of the continent. It's not any
And if anybody doesn't believe me, fact checked everything I'm
saying everything we are indigenous means what first, It don't

(46:18):
mean better. But a black woman is the only woman
on earth who can have every race of kid. That's
why they sell melanie. That's why it's a commodity. That's
why they're poisoning us with food. We're obsessed with deities
instead of truth. Because a man says, I've got so
much money, and you stand while I'm Bill Gates, I'm

(46:39):
gonna put peel on your food, and we say, it's
like when Rockefeller said I'm gonna give jobs to all
the Negroes. We're like, yeah, and you're gonna work for
our system and there's nothing wrong with it. We're all
in this system, but it's finding perspective and balance so
that it works for you and your family or whatever
you're riding for now. My family stuff is one thing.

(47:02):
But I've been I've been given an assignment on this
earth we all have.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
What do you think it is?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
The truth? I think it starts through Ocbar and some
of the things that I know are true. I think
that our kids need to be re educated, all kids,
because there's a severe indoctrination. I mean they spent hundreds
I could go on and on for a million years.
Shout out to my brother Terrence Howard. I mean you
call something multiplication. How can you have three components and

(47:29):
multiplied like so, if you got three dollars and I say, Charlemagne,
I'm your big bro, I want to multiply that three dollars.
I'm going to teach you multiplication, but you're gonna have
to give me one of the components to get the
right answer. You're gonna say that doesn't work for me
because I had three dollars, I multiplied one times one.
How does this stay one? How does this stay one?

(47:52):
There's two components that become one, and that happens in
improper mathematics, same thing that happens in the church says
it's powering words. So why do you say civilization? Why
do you say the word Jesus. The letter J wasn't
introduced to the human language till five hundred years ago,
so who was he before that? And this is not
a disc This is not a disc to Christianity. But

(48:15):
even when you read where Christianity comes from is from
the Spanish Inquisition. They went around in the name of
Jesus and murdered people and said you're going to be
christ And again, don't believe me.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Oh is it Roman Emperor Constantine?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, don't believe it? Like again all over the world.
October is what eight ol cho every language, same thing
with ten d s dees. Why is December twelfth in
the calendar? If he's lord at a harvest, why would
he be born in the middle of the winter. What
have you ever seen grow in the middle of the winter?

(48:50):
So how could his birthday be December twenty fifth? And
we know these things, most of us know these things.
I'm not saying anything really new to anybody. I don't know.
It's warm, but not the harvest season, so you know
the harvest just left. The harvest would be between September
October somewhere around and there. But again, it's just again,

(49:14):
we are taught these things because we're thrown off. That's
why we're That's why they don't interject sound into healing.
Why do you think we love music? The sound heals us.
It literally makes us feel a certain way. If I
play the record you Love from nineteen seventy eight, you
might have not even been born then, but the way

(49:34):
it makes you feel never goes away. That's why everything
with medicine, they're saying, don't do drugs. What do you
think is in the drugs? Opioids, heroin and coke? And
from my past life, I'm an expert on it. I
know to cut it, mix it, cook it, what you
want to do with it. But it's introduced into modern

(49:56):
medicine because of the profit. And I'm not even mad
in saying it. They're great doctors, some of them help me,
but the whole system is broken. We're the The Western
medicine treats the case, not the person. How can you
take the same medicine for the same sickness and you
have a different body, This disease in your cell not sickness.

(50:19):
So if you have dissease and the cell, you have
to create an alkaline environment to reform the disease. But
that's not the approach we take. And I witnessed it
for the first time. I should be dead because the
three people that were in my room died in that
facility in Inglewood. I've been paying insurance since I got
a record deal, but because I wouldn't take the shot,

(50:41):
I couldn't get my insurance straight. So I had to
pay out a pocket. And I learned all these things
and not to be mad or shoot at people. But
I feel for humans. We're all in a place like
everybody has basic common desires to feed their family, be healthy.
You know, what are you putting in our water? Why
don't you teach us coconut water and watermelon water is

(51:03):
God's water. Why are you teaching us to drink eight
glasses of twelve glass of water day when you washing
all your nutrients out? Why are you drinking water with
estrogen in it? And guys are wondering why they getting
titties and why they getting disformed and all this stuff,
and again you don't got no more. So again I

(51:30):
don't say these things like I'm not on a mission
to hurt anybody anything. I'm on a mission to heal,
you know. And there's a lot of people, there's a
core people on the same thing. I think internally we
all want to but in the daily rigs of life,
trying to figure out how to pay mortgages and rant
take care of our kids and loved ones, there are
decisions that we have to make to keep continuing. And

(51:51):
I've been given a hiatus to really like sit back
and the fact that I'm still okay, My kids are good.
I never had to go out begging for record deals
or any of that kind of stuff, you know, notwithstanding
what people have said about me, But those snaires don't
bother me. You know. There's been many crazy things said
about me, but people know me, know me, and they
know my hot what's the craziest thing. I think the

(52:13):
thing with Puff might have been the craziest thing that
I heard. And again, I'll say this a lot of people,
a lot of people, well Jaguar right allegedly says something
crazy about me and Puffy, But again, Puffy is a
kid to me, and I even feel for Puff, like again,
you got documentary, you got I didn't. I won't because
again I just you know, I'm not a dude that

(52:38):
you looked it up what she said, right So, allegedly
it was said that me and Puffy has some kind
of homosexual relationship or something. Right now she said, she
said a lawyer walked in right now. Again, we could
take two theories at this. Is she still talking? When
was the last time you heard from Jaguar right.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Every day?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Online? Something?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
But I mean it's her, it's her presence, felt like
when she's just torturing these A list artists. So again
she included me in a little something. I'm not mad,
but again, Jean and genas Gene is actually an old
friend of mine, and he cleared it up. No, he
cleared me up. He was like, First of all, he
was like, no, totally, he totally said the opposite. But

(53:25):
he got into it a little bit with me because
he felt like I was saying like I sunned him.
But me and Gene always had respect for each other.
I just don't go into those areas. Again, I'm not
part of Pop's business. I knew Puff as a kid.
I knew Puff who used to run behind Mark Bonds
in Washington because again I'm a o G. They were

(53:46):
like groovy Liu and all the people uptown they're my
little brothers. So when it was said, you know my
boys like Willie D and Prince and them, was like, yo,
you gotta respond. So I wound up going on Willie
D's I don't know if I can say his name,
and I said, I'm for this one time. I'm a
clear air because I was on the time during the
cruise and there was a gentleman who I think was

(54:07):
you know, he was of the other persuasion. He likes
the colors and all that. He was in the front
of the audience and I was like, yo, I don't
know why he's at the front of the stage with
all these girls. We were the times, and he just
kept saying he don't want no girls, you know, he
kept saying crazy stuff. So I had to stop the show.
And again I had to figure out, like you said,
not to let my emotions of the momentary disrespect dictate

(54:29):
what was going to come out my mouth. So I
felt like I cleared it up. But you know how
we are, we like we go to wrong. We want
to see the lion eat the human. That's human nature.
That's why we watched MMA, That's why we watched Tyson
crush people. A part of us is carnivorous, and it's
partly because of what we've been taught to eat too.
That's a whole nother long story, but basically we just

(54:51):
deflected it by clearing it up. But I think that's
the craziest thing because, for one, Puff's always been a
kid to me. Again, I was there when Jimmy Love
was screaming in his face this close, telling him to
go get the cheesecake from Jimmy's when Uptown was in
Brooklyn and they were getting threatened by Brooklyn dudes. So
they were calling us from the Bronx to come down
and help them. So Jimmy and then would come up

(55:13):
to College Avenue in the Bronx one hundred seventy street
and they'd be like, YO, were getting pressured, we need help.
So again, I wanted to get in music. This was
my opportunity, and that's how I met Teddy and al
Me and al formed the friendship, and so did Me
and Teddy, but Teddy was with Gene Griffin and Jean.
I knew Jane in the street through Bill Underwood. You

(55:35):
know I'm a young knough, but at the same time,
I'm now twenty, so the forty year old was like,
he can't handle me. I'm bro don't even do it
to youself. So I was like, okay. I was always
the champion for somebody getting abused, somebody getting mishandled, and
that's how me and Al became friends. And the first

(55:56):
thing in my career that experience again was his fame,
and I was al stunt double. So Jimmy Love and
Andre would send me out one door. The crowd would
be like, oh my godness, I'll be sure, and they'd
run after me and then they'd take Al out the
back door. So that was my first just the music,
and I wanted to sign uptown, but I realized that
was never going to happen. So at the time I

(56:17):
was dating Stacy and she was getting gigs. I think
she had just done the Cosby Show. And again, because
I was in a different kind of business, I would
send Stacey to auditions in town cars and she'd be fly.
You know, she wasn't missing a beat, she just wasn't
as famous as some of the other girls she was
up against. And she finally got a movie called Enemy Territory.

(56:39):
I'll never forget this. Kadeem Hardistan, Ray Parker Jr. Anthony Todd,
Peter Wise. A lot of old heads were in it,
and they were peeking in Stacy's dressing room watching her
get dressed. So I'm on College Avenue. She calls me.
Me and two of my friends ride down on our motorcycles.
Dow Alphabet City shut the whole movie down. So these
were things that I had to learn that they were

(57:00):
not advantageous to my career, and they were emotional things
that I was trying to represent something that really wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
That's honorable, though, you know what I'm saying. But if
a woman called you when she feels uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
And they were caught, they were literally watching her for day,
So again I was irate. So again I got blamed
for it. But I'm always blamed for a reaction. I'm
never again. Oh no, they never filmed again. They never again.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
You know, I want to ask me when we talk
about systems.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Right, that's why no one knows about enemy terrorists.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
When we talk about these systems that we know exists,
how much of this stuff we see? What people like
puff is learned, behaviors learned, and it's sad.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
That's why I said, people, people I know, listen, I
like you, Charlamagne, a lot of the goofy stuff. I'd
be like, man, it's sad that this is because again
it's people are looking at you. People are looking at us.
And when you have a success story like sugar Puff,
it's like you want someone to get it, like you
want something to be like, yo, I can touch this,
this is tangible, I can do this. But then when

(58:08):
you start to have an overflow of negative condenttation from it,
it starts to really be like damn, why is Holmes
moving like this? But again, I can't dictate or I
don't have a real judgment over anything. I have my opinion,
like I don't get down with nipple milk, you know
what I'm saying. I'm just saying I don't get down

(58:28):
with that. But at the same time, I'm gonna be honest.
I hope that whatever he has to go through, he
comes out of it, you know. I hope that he
realizes who he is and finds a real path for
what he is supposed to be doing with his life.
Because he's a Puffs probably the hardest work I've ever

(58:49):
seen in music. I don't know if I can say
he's the most talented person, but he's probably one of
the hardest workers. But again, I knew Puffy the kid,
I don't know the Icon, the mogul and all that.
So just to say as far as him, man, I
hope that whatever he has to go through it because again,
we all have nice lives. Imagine having to go to

(59:09):
a cell and you got to be around a bunch
of dudes all day and he's now learning a new system.
Jail is a different life. It's a whole different life.
You know, your head gotta be on a swivel twenty
four seven. And that money that you can give to commissary,
yeah that's cool. But if that ever jumps out of pocket,
you got a whole nother You got a whole nother thing.
And then it forces you to say, am I going

(59:31):
to be the victim? Or am I going to be
the animal? And once you join into that, it's over
because once you stab a few people and all that
your eye and eargates open. You send a boy to
ward eighteen. He's not a killer until he sees murder,
but once he sees that and he comes back. You're
asking this dude to be a civilian, but he's now
a murderer. He's desensitized from murder, So cutting somebody's throat,

(59:55):
shooting somebody in the face is again this is programmed.
And then they make one of these people opposed a
child for mental illness. So no, this is what's bredding him.
This is what's bredding him. There's no these this government
food is left in the urban projects for a reason,
they're called projects, and now they're housing authorities for a reason.

(01:00:18):
So again it's not like again I'm not on a mission.
These are all things that have been said. We tend
to get the popular quota of today. Like everybody thinks
health comes from doctor Sabe. No dis to the late
great doctor Sabe. But Dick Gregory and people long before
Dick Gregory were preaching the same thing exactly, you know,
and our four yeah, our Forefather's third Good Marshall, cryptosactist

(01:00:41):
Frederick Douglass. These people fought for our rights. We've been
told they were certain things. These were all Republicans. We
are the innovative party. All this stuff has been stripped
from us, and it's not again, I truly believe that
if the shoe is on the other foot, the conditions
would not be this way. They wouldn't be this way.

(01:01:02):
We have empathy, we have compassion, and that's how we
lost it by trust. Now there are some people like
people would argue, well, how did the Again, we're not
all from Africa. We're gonna prove that the now rivers
the Mississippi River. If you read how the river runs,
it's the only river that operates that way. So all

(01:01:24):
of this stuff has been turned around so that we
feel like we're just with the picture. And that Smithsonian
dictates you look at this picture as a black kid
with beautiful skin, white eyes, and white teeth, and they
got a seated watermelon. Watermelon is the fruit of the gods,
but it's depicted to be like you a porch monkey,

(01:01:45):
because I want you to feel like a porch monkey.
So I watched sisters in the sixties and seventies feel
like Naomi Campbell wasn't fine, so they said she was fine.
Beverly Johnson was as fine until they said she was fine.
Black is fine. Black has always been fine. So now
the light skins are not fine. Me and you ugly.

(01:02:05):
Now we're always fine, brother were now out of pocket.
In the nineties we had no presence. Obama splash Brothers. Nah,
we're gone. The nineties, well the two but again Obama
splash brothers. Where we go. We're all one. Frankie Beverley
said it the best way you can say it. We

(01:02:27):
really are one when you get to the truth of
it all with one. But we're not treated like that,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
So I was going to ask before we get away
from the systems thing and hearing what you're saying and
you talk about did he being able to like basically
rehabilitate Do you think being in the system will rehabilitate
him the way that he should be or should he
have been there?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Only he can free his mind from mental slavery. Only
he can. They'll teach him systems. They'll almost make him
feel secure that now he's a he's had some Now
you got street crag. So they'll pit him into that.
And then he's gonna carry the burden of carrying inmates
and correcting their lives and giving them opportunities. But only
if he leads properly will he do that. The same

(01:03:08):
thing with the Honods Elijah Muhammad. He stands before thousands
and thousands of men, millions of men around the world.
If they find one single hair missing out of pocket,
that's not who he says he is. They're waiting for that,
just like they were. They were waiting for Obama. If
Obama had it done with Bill Clinton done, oh my God,
get a little head in the Oval office.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Damn right, like like what she just asked you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:38):
I'm glad that you said it, because he already has
like a program.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Do whatever to you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
It is something like that, like he has like inmates
can like he's giving him game on something. But you
can't teach somebody something if you're not well again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I'll go back to the church. They say Jesus was
a Hebrew and he's spoken Aramaic. He taught Aramaically. What
pastor the church you go to can speak Hebrew Aramaic
in America.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
That's not speaking tongues.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
No tongues. Tongues is the spiritual connection between the Trinity.
That's why it's an utterance. That's the words saying. Aramaica
is a language. It's in the Middle East somewhere. I
don't want to say the wrong thing. But again, the
way he taught in his journey was a love journey.
That's why I was just in the mountains with Benny
Hannon and my pastor. When I was going to church

(01:04:32):
in O six, I met a brother named doctor Dimitri Bradley,
who really touched my life because he was a teacher,
not a pastor. And we went through the book and
I remember one day I pondered, I said, I started
looking at all these great moves of God Kendeth Copeland.
But even when you look the history of religion, if
you have a turn on a religious ceremony from the sixties,
you see Billy Grahama saying, if you've seen you die,

(01:04:52):
it'll be burning brimstoning, You're gonna go to hell. How
would a gapier loving father talk like that? Would you
talk to your kids like that? Would you talk to
your kids like that? So, why would a sovereign father
talk to his kids like that? Why how would he
do that? And if he forgives us for all of

(01:05:13):
these things, as a creator of all things, why would
he send us to a master? Would you send your
kids to a master? But we do it unknowingly when
we send them to public school or we send them
to mont we feel like, oh we've arrived because now
I'm paying for Montessiri school or private school. We relyed,
but now they're just And I learned this by my

(01:05:34):
kids going to Harvard. My children went to Harvard, the
biggest systematic joint you can get in. And my son
is like, this is garbage because all I am is
hired at the top tier of this same farm, the
same system that was created in nineteen forty one, an

(01:05:56):
economy by the Rothschilds. And if you go back in
history and check the whole families, the twelve thirteen families,
the old re God, you'll see all of this stuff.
If you look on your birth skill forget, you see
you're owned by the Crown Corporation. There is there is
a bank account with your name on it with millions
of dollars in it that you can never touch.

Speaker 7 (01:06:16):
My cousin, that's so crazy that you're saying is And
I be honest. My cousin had tried to tell me
about Roth's Child's like a couple of years ago, and
I thought she was crazy, like because she she went
down a rabbit hole man and she ain't really have
a lot of friends that me and my cousin like this,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
So was she trying to tell me the stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
I'm not receptive of it because I never heard anything
about it, and she's trying to teach me, and I'm
just like, not, like, come on you this thirteenth day.
This the thirteenth day, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Calling me about this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
So I got other stuff to do. But like she's like, yo,
you really need to get into it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
So to hear you saying it now, you know, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I kept telling her she was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Well, we're all we all are incorporated into this system
because again, there's only so much time in the day.
We got to get to what we're trying to get to.
So again that's why I say I learned these things
with a clean open heart, not for judgment. I'm not bitter.
I understand exactly what it is. But love is the
only thing that's going to conquer this thing. We keep

(01:07:17):
searching for a ballot, we keep searching for a savior.
And government they're all on the same team. It's all
one government. They're all on the same team. Blue, red,
all of that stuff. When you mix it together, it's purple.
What is the significant purple. What does that mean? In
the color system of America? They said Prince was weird.
It's easy to get to it. It's like the purple

(01:07:39):
was evil. It was some kind of weirdness about it.
And people are like, well, where you going with the colors?
Everything in this system? Every word? Okay, let's go at midnight.
Who can prove midnights in the middle of the night
one day of the year. I want somebody to do
that and call into the show because it never happens.
Who can prove that the word midnight falls in the

(01:07:59):
middle of the evening one day out of three hundred
and sixty five years. It doesn't we learn words like civilization.
They told they spend four husand four million dollars on
milk will do your body good. Milk is the worst
thing you could put in your body. We're the only
mammals who go past suckling from our mother's and our

(01:08:19):
mother's milk is designed for us, not other children. But
out when we were taking care of their children, they
were drinking our milk. So again, all of this stuff,
I call it the porch monkeyism. And it's hard to
get out of it because it's covered through everything. We

(01:08:41):
go to church and say we have been given dominion
of everything and all therein we are sovereign. How we
sovereign getting taxed? And how does our president escape tax
because he knows America is a corporation and he uses
the corporate law of America to use against America, which
we don't. There's a lot of brothers here who sign
up to be They get their paperwork, they can't be arrested,

(01:09:02):
they have to go to the embassy. But isn't it
ironic that if you take that and become free, you
can't own anything. You can't own anything here, You can't
own anything in your name. They don't teach us to
open up irrevocable trust, to live through trust. They don't
teach us that. And then getting to that is like
you need an opportunity to get to that. So then

(01:09:22):
once you get to it, they're trying to move you
so fast through your stardom and your vanity that you're like, oh,
I'll catch up later, and then before you know it,
you're going through your first tail spin because you didn't
stick to what your path is. I always say this,
Aini Comosi is one of the greatest artists. I ever met.
He got in, got his bread, he robbed them and

(01:09:45):
went back to Jamaica. Here comes a hot step bar.
I'm theo lyrical gangster. Give me your money and I'm out.
And if you call me to leave you for dead,
period Now that's not my approach, but I respect that.
He was like, this is such sewage is so bittersweet,
because life is sweet, this business is beautiful. We get

(01:10:08):
to watch creatives. That's why in my hiatus, I was
able to sit back and be a fan again, like
when I was a kid watching Marvin Gay and Luther
Vangels and James Enwin. I just became a fan and
I was cool with that, and it only sharpened my
knife as a creative. And the only person that convince
you that is good. It can't be when they say

(01:10:28):
or when you get an award. It has to be
before that ever happens. Because again, before you became Charlemagne,
who believed you, but you, other than your mother or
someone that you had close to you, you believe it,
no matter what obscacles were put before you or what
things didn't work out. I'm a baseball player. I never
care about striking out. I only care about the home
run or the triple double, or the walk, the bunt,

(01:10:50):
whatever I gotta do to advance the game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Now, I think God gives us all clear visions, and
at some point, just going through this process of life,
if we don't stay focused on that vision, God gave
us the world and just distract us and we start
seeing all types of other things and start seeing ourselves
in ways that we aren't naturally.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Designed to be. And you're right, and it's a beautiful distraction,
because again, who doesn't like stuff? But it's a matter
of whether the stuff becomes a deity. And when that happens,
then we start witnessing again, whether it's Bill Cosby or
my brother who I love, Rob Kelly, or my basketball

(01:11:30):
nemesis or a puff or Russell. Don't we see the signs?
Shug Yo. We used to have an office. We called
it the Red Room at Death Row. This dude had
publishing checks. I think the lowest check was two hundred
and eighty grand Wow. And it was a wall full
of publishing checks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Are you the reason that he was gonna sign Jodasy
and Mary J.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Blige? Yes? I brought Javonte, me and Eric b not
just me, Me and Eric Be and again, I'm sorry
it happened. I was you know what's funny, Charlamagne the
Knight that Tupac got shot. Me and Eric B and
Snoop's uncle got together and we were like, we ain't
going to Vegas because we can literally feel you ever
been in a room that's so thick. We of course,

(01:12:16):
we never thought it would be Pac dying. But I
always say this, like, Yo, my nigga, y'all killed hip hop.
You killed Biggie and Pac. Imagine if those brothers were
making cop movies together, or making filmed or did a
record together. Imagine if Michael Whitney and Prince were here
to unite, the whole world would listen to something united
with those three people involved. Who is y'all you said

(01:12:38):
y'all killed big Whoever was behind all of this nonsense
about hating each other? And I don't mean us here,
and I don't mean to generalize it, but I don't
know as a fact too. Of course I have an
idea because I know a lot of stuff. But again
today I don't know where snitching comes from. There's honor
and being a snitch. Now young business on ig snitching

(01:13:02):
on themselves I'm like, where do they get this unmanly behavior?
And they think this is hot and it's a setup
because again they're like, listen, that money you pull out
on the table, that's all you got. You don't even
know how to make that money work for you. It's
gonna work actually against you. So that's what a lot

(01:13:23):
of ocbars about too, is like I want young kids
to see like, yo, instead of getting a fight and
killing each other, let's get in a fight and be like, yo,
I took it twenty thousand dollars and I put it
in a roth. Ira F you, nigga, damn f you what.
Somebody goes to jail for twenty years, they come home

(01:13:44):
to eight hundred million dollars. They ain't got to ask
nobody for nothing. You ain't got to be supreme asking
people like yo, I need you to put me back on.
You're already on, because obviously you are a smart businessman,
just in their illegal business. Right saw that and trading places.
We saw a bomb depicted as Eddie Murphy who outsmarted

(01:14:05):
the Wall Street cats the system, and they laughed so
trucklingly as they done it until they were broke, because
that's their deity what they stole. They didn't earn nothing,
they stole it, and then they make us feel like
we're half we're nothing, we're less y'all trying to get
to our bag. No, we're trying to get what was ours.

(01:14:29):
And we're dealing with this mentally because we're out of alignment.
So I feel for Puff and r. Kelly and these
people because again, imagine going from living in Florida in
his house or living wherever his homes are, to living
in a cell. He can't even die is here Joe
can't even get them, no color, no doubt. But again,

(01:14:54):
like you said earlier question, charloam Mane, I wonder if
sometimes if it was sexy or there were depictions of
of men who are trying to build men up respect women.
And I'm not saying I've come from that my whole life.
I'm saying I had to get over that, even spreading
myself then as a young person, I don't do that
no more. I'm looking for one good one or maybe two,

(01:15:15):
but a big shot.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
The life.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Oh my goodness, we do have a character that would
fit you. And I'm really a fan, just like for real,
I've seen your comedy I never I was at your
show in Detroit, and I never said I was in
the building. I just was. I wanted to see you
do your thing. And I was like, funny as hell.
It's hard to be funny when you're sexy. It's hard
to be funny when you're sexy because it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, yeah, he got one. Wednesday, we were talking out Doc,
I call him Doc. Doc used to rap. So his
testimony was like he was in the street. They were
getting ready to serve him with twenty five years, and
he said he had been in Church's whole life. The
first time he ever got on his knee and he prayed.
The next day he went to go get sentenced. Everything released. Wow,

(01:16:16):
he made a covenant with the creator, and he says,
I didn't make a promise. I made a covenant. There's
a difference. Just like words of power. They had us going,
we'll give you liberty. You know what liberty means. I
give you niggas permission. That ain't freedom, that's liberty. So
he taught me what that spiritual freedom was. Even though

(01:16:37):
it was through a system that wouldn't work for me
per se, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for other people.
But I had to give back to the grail of everything,
where we come from, who we are, what these lands
really mean, Like you know, telling us that ten thousand
slaves built pyramids and all that weird ood stuff. All
that stuff is just indoctrination and its lies, and it's

(01:16:59):
not to be hated, but it's to be basically ascertained
in oneself and then find the balance in it. And
how can you get to a place where your life
can be enriched so that you can enrich somebody else's life.
That's really what's about so limited freedom, justice for all?
What is it free? I don't like it because it
does do I mean? Have you felt free your whole life? Honestly?

(01:17:22):
Maybe maybe inside, but when you see the parallels of
people and the fact that your acts to cast.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
If we're wearing an oppressive system.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
But I've always felt, well, see, that's the power of
what's in you. And that needs to be something learned
by people. Especially we see all these kids going through
mental health. They've got to be spoken into because a
lot of what's being spoke into them is like, Okay,
we'll fix you with add or that you take this drug,
you take that drug, you take this drug. It's not

(01:17:52):
helping anybody. It's just going back into a system where
drugs are still the most powerful entity, along with hair
care products, land value and all these different things. And
these are the things that we are less involved in.
They're all in our communities, but we don't own any
of it. So that's a strength that you have that

(01:18:13):
maybe just in that needs to be taught to some kids,
because young black men are struggling with who they and
having the confidence say yeah, I see all this like
we're acts to cast a vote. You know what cast
means witchcraft? No, I want you to cast something a vote.
Who here is pleased with any votes that they've made

(01:18:35):
in the last since they were adults. That's something that
is an uncomfortable conversation because there's all these systems in place,
the Blue against the Red, the House against the Senate,
but it's all the same team. Every brick in DC
is an indoctrination of slavery. Every brick, every done that's

(01:18:59):
houses kids that are being destroyed under the Getty Museum,
in all these places. This can't go on in humanity.
So again, music is a soother. So if I've been
given the gift of music, and my music does something
for people. My music usually makes people feel romantic or
feel good. But while I'm going in my journey, I

(01:19:20):
gotta be real about what I am in the music.
We don't. We become this thing because of vanity and
success and money, and it becomes a deity. But like
somebody mentioned Bruce Lee earlier, what did he say? Numbers
are what infinite? So you could chase numbers forever. You
become a billionaire. I guarantee you want to be a trillionaire.
You become a trillionaire, I guarantee you want to become

(01:19:42):
a zillionaire. So you could go on and on and on.
But you're chasing a number and there's only nine numbers
in the whole number system. Other than that, it just
goes another another, but it's only zero to nine. Those
are the only numbers. So we've been taught time is wrong,
our mathematics are wrong, the power of what we speak

(01:20:03):
out of our tongue is wrong. So we're up against
a lot of stuff. And then we're going, well, why
do I feel off? Why am I mentally depressed? Because
this is the crap that we've been served up and
we believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
We're not in the by alignment.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:20:17):
So when you bring it all back to music, everything
that you're saying, right, it is perfect for your album
War and Peace because you teaching through your music.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Ye, War and Peace, and because this Phy and Watch
one piece, and I think that it's really a perfect
depiction of we try to assimilate. Especially with a Christopher
Williams record. I think me and Vince and Vince sees me.
He knows how to simulate who I am as a
man and the message in my music. We're not taking

(01:20:48):
the romance or the good feeling out the music, but
there's a simulation in each message. War and peace, who's
gonna win Peace? But we're gonna show you the War
two because we got to keep it a buck. We
gotta keep it real. We have to show you that
these challenges in a relationship assimilate the same way as
the challenges in life. And you'll hear that in the music.

(01:21:08):
I think good Enough is a perfect example that it is. Basically,
I just want to I hope my best is good enough.
I don't want to lose your love. It could be
Aero's love, it could be child love, it could be
brotherly love. I don't want to lose your love. And
it's hard for black men to say that, like I
love Charlamage. When I was coming in today, you know,
my friends will brob like yo, you know he's gonna

(01:21:30):
attack you, He's gonna get you. I'm like, I'm like, damn.
His reputation proceeds again, and you you got to have
an experience with somebody to say listen, and I go
into it open heartily. Even if there was a conversation
here that wasn't so positive, we could agree to disagree
to talk you about the stuff. Well, I'm open to

(01:21:51):
talking about it again. A lot of it again is
the same contempt, jealousy. And this man is successful. People
hear his name every day. People know people know you,
not even from here, people know you from different things.
You're not just a comedian, You're not just a personality.
You're a lot of different things. So people get a
preconceived notion, just like I've heard people walk up to

(01:22:13):
me and be like, I thought you'd be arrogant. Why
because I'm light skinned. If anybody should be arrogant, it
should be Sidney Poitier. Absolutely, have you seen pictures of
his name we heven twenty four years old and no more.
But none of that. Yes, but the talent him and
Harry Belafonte should be arrogant. Yeah, God bless their souls.

(01:22:35):
And again big shout out to his daughters. I went
to purchase with his daughters. So again all these bread
crumbs from a little dude from eating wall projects. So
I've been blessed.

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
Is it a song on an album called bread crumbs?
Because you love saying bread crown it?

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Yeah, you know. Funny day. The other day, Vincent was
having a conversation and I said rebirth. He wrote a
song rebirth him was sick Pit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Food A long way man, This is good enough. The
other song, the other song you mentioned all the time too.
We can get that song too, Vince, what was the Gentleman?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
That's a great record.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
But this song called Gentleman is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Christian mentioned.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
We can't.

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
He's he has Divante on the album Swiss Beats, Troy Taylor,
Troy Oliver, Brian Michael Cox, who else, Belly Sick Pins,
Sean Garrett, Rico Love just incredible. This guy's voices forhen
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Again, one thing again, I get a kick out of it,
because again I get a kickout of events because again
I met him when he was fourteen years old. So
again to watch him go through this whole gamut and
to me beat again, we don't little get to see
like a black Man Usher the greatest, one of the

(01:24:01):
greatest white artists ever, one hundred and.

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
Seventy million albums today, black man from King Jersey, pop
star in the world. No, but it's a blessing. Like
Chris don't believe in me. I don't meet him at fourteen.
He doesn't give you my first thousand dollars ago in
the studio. I never meet none of you guys. I
never meet Gaga. None of that never happens. But this
guy believed in me and saw something in me. And
I'm like, all I'm not is paying it for he

(01:24:24):
believed in me. You gave me an opportunity when no
one knew who I was. Like I fell in love
with Edgeward, I fell in love with a bmw all
because like you said, we learned from our you know,
our people.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
In our behavior to be around and I just.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Shoes white.

Speaker 8 (01:24:40):
But no, now I'm able to make this great album
wh him like this is probably the best R and
B album I've ever made in my life. WHOA Like,
it's that really good? And even that he talked about
the thing for book, I just to give you guys,
I just brought Tomaino on and Ta Main's gonna be
the musical supervision for the for the bookwat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
And you definitely definitely got so you already sold the show.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Yeah, we gotta deal right now, HBO.

Speaker 8 (01:25:01):
Come on, Wow, I don't want to sugar cread congratulate
HBO and me and Chris are executive producer and producer
there together and the people they're just it's just a
beautiful time to be able to do this with people
that have done something for you in your life, like
uplifting each other and supporting each other. Like that's just
like when I talk to Jermain about these events. Of course,
whatever you guys want to do, I'm just happy to

(01:25:22):
have the Jamaie never did a music supervision for any
project in his life.

Speaker 5 (01:25:27):
Wow, there's all these hits. He's there and made all
these records and it never did me.

Speaker 8 (01:25:31):
But we don't get that opportunity because we don't look
at each other to help each other. It always goes
to the other side, and it's like I made Universal
three billion dollars with Gaga. I got to make sure
this time I'm incorporating my people, you know, and making
sure that they're able to get a bit because when
I met her, she was got dropped from deaf Jam.

(01:25:52):
They gave me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
make an album. I've signed two x that day, and
the spent eight million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
In the other girls. There were three little white girls,
and we so one hundred and seventy million dollars a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Day, and those three white goes you don't even hear
from them.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
Jimmy wanted to make the album. He spent eight million dollars.
I don't know what you know but that and then god,
Guy's nominated. It's a fifth time getting nominated for how
many years. It's just like before my son was born.
So now it's just like thirteen years later. It's a blessing,
and it's a blessing for me to be able to
do this with Chris and really make this project, the
TV show, the movie, the music, the albums phenomenal. He

(01:26:25):
sounds unbelievable, like people like write our people off and
we don't pay attention. But this guy voice is unmatched.

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
It is really, really really spress good enough.

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
His voice is you don't want to do good in
the Chris, you gotta cut the I'm so crazy. And
the fact that you shouted out the artist her, right,
that's what he said. When the be drops in good enough,
it reminds me of her damage right And and like
you said, like that was the second artist that you

(01:26:55):
said out your my best I love her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I'm not just because the name is her. Jeannegize and
Sullivan all a lot of young people man like Bruno Mars,
Andy Pack. We steal a movement. Our culture still in
good hands musically. I think the people in my generation
got to understand they don't make what we make. It's
for us to fuse into being relevant today and not
being afraid to be new. You don't get stuck. Like

(01:27:20):
youth needs wisdom, wisdom needs innovation. So when you take
youth out of your life, or you take elderly out
of your life, there's a part missing that our ancestors
are speaking to us right now. That's why they rolled
all those the stuff they wrote in those caves and
it's still significant thousands and thousands of years later. They

(01:27:40):
gonna try to explain how the pyramids and Antarctica are
popping up right now. They're gonna lie about that. We
ain't gonna lie about.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
This new music.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Look forward to this new act from y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Congratulations right crazy with this this this TV.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
We get that out there. It's good way, good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
It's the breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
Hold every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
You're finish for y'all done

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