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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody is the j n V. Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests
in the build. Clips.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (00:16):
Is it the clips?

Speaker 6 (00:17):
Or is it clip Clips?

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Okay? Because I say the clips too? Clips?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You call that.

Speaker 7 (00:23):
Shot, So it's just clips.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
What's the origins of the name for people who don't know,
So that came from Full of Clips. I came up
with it and at the time of Fat Joe had
the Full of Clips crew, so we just shortened it
the Clips.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now I want to go back right because you guys
have been a long time, for a long time, so
I want to start from the history. Of course, I
know you guys for a long, long, long, long time.
So what got you into rapping and to form the
group The clip Clips for people that don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Always always been a fan of hip hop like anybody else.
You know, My older brother was into the whole cardboard
box break dancing, boom box rapping when you had to
push play and record and wrap directly into the box
and yeah, man, just uh just coming up, just coming
up under that and uh we went to Chad's house

(01:18):
one time and pusha he wrote his first rap, and
Pharrell was like, y'all, should you know be a group?
His first rap was incredible, but before that it was
just me rapping over there.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Now when you're first met Chad and Pharrell, right, yep,
y'all are totally opposite. So how did y'all even meet
and even learn each other? Because growing up in Norfolk
in Virginia, like.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's totally two different sides.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
So what made y'all even say, you know what, let's
connect with these guys who wearing tight shirts at the
time and tight pants and looked like skateboards and look
nothing like y'all serving them, serving them? So it made
you say, you know what, let's link with them and
start you know.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Actually, so I was a djuh dj Alex in Virginia.
Beach lived down the street from me, and we went
out and we rented a drum machine and we got
the drum machine, but we couldn't work it, and you know,
we had to turn it back in, so and we
had paid for it, but you know, we was gonna
have to turn it back in before we even had
a chance to use it. And he was like, you know,

(02:19):
let's take it to my homie's house. And we went
over there and it happened to beat Chad and he
knew how to work it. And you know, that's just
stuff that we was doing before clip.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
And that's where it started. Yeah, so when did y'all
take it serious?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
When did you say, you know, what this rap thing
is is something I'm gonna take serious. I'm gonna get
off the street to say this is what it is.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I have to say that was in meeting Pharrell. In
meeting Pharrell, and you know it was Pharrell, it was
the Teddy Riley coming to Virginia. You know, we began
to see that it was a real thing, that that
that music was was actually attainable in arms reach. I mean,

(02:59):
we seeing the cars, were seeing the Ferraris, We're seeing
Michael Jackson in Virginia Beach. You know, we're seeing MC's
whole everybody was was coming, was coming down. And then
at the same time we had you know, Timblin and
MISSI they was doing their thing. They were you know,
they had left home and went to Jersey and was
working with Joe Tosy. But these are all our childhood

(03:23):
you know, high school school for last thing, so we
we got to see it from a lot of different
angles that you know, music was possible.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
Why why Virginia don't get like the credit for being
a hip hop hotbed, just a black music hotbed.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Not just not just music. You remember Alan Evlson from
that area, Michael Vicks.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
From that area.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Like this, it's so much in that area that people.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
Forget I'm the music because you got regions and you know,
states that get that love, but y'all don't seem to.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well. I think I think it's because I think a
lot of people have. Everybody who's made it in Virginia
actually had to leave Virginia to make it. I don't
think any one particular artist of any of us. None
of us broke in Virginia. So we always broke like
Clips broke in Philly. You know, you know everybody, everybody

(04:16):
broke somewhere else. So I think Clip's broken Philly. I
never yeah, Clip's broken, Philly. Man shoutow cosmic vow, Yeah, yeah,
Clips broken Philly. I don't know what record was at
the funeral or grind grinding broken Philly.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Now do you remember that when Farrell gave you that
beat for grinding. I remember the first time I heard it.
It was confusing. Yeah, it was confusing. I was confused.
So when he first gave it, how did you know
that was?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
You probably got the CD that I was handing out. Yes,
I did, Yeah, I believe you did. You know when
we heard it first, we was like, you know, we
were it was. It kind of took us back because
you got to think at that time, Pharrell was singing
on every hook. It was uh, whether it was mister
Cool and whoever. Right, So, you know, this is our

(05:05):
first joint and he like, yo, this is the one,
and we like, we want you singing, like saying you
better tap or do something. And you know, he was like,
now I'm telling you this is this the future. This
is what it is.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
And he was right, and it was confusing because we
actually wrote to it twice three times.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
I think I think I got three joints on that joint.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I still can't blend it to this day because I
don't know where the beating the snare go at.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Wow, actually blend on it. You just gotta go.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
That's crazy, that's crazy for you to say.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
That to this day. M Me up there, Me up there,
I just love.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Vegas with envy, rocking, smoking.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (05:49):
Thanks, you know on the album Malas you said you've
been both Mason bethists for people who don't know what
that line needs.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, I just feel like I understand stood and walked
a similar path like Mace, you know, to be in
this industry and then to have a real live revelation
of God and who he is, you know, and then
have to navigate your way. As far as navigating, not

(06:18):
so much because I knew that I had to chill,
take a step back. And I also want to give
you y'all flowers too, because y'all were still messing with
me during that time. You let me come in here
and you know, promote the documentary and you know, uh
my solo projects and everything. So yeah, I appreciate that.
But yeah, I feel like I understand, uh seeing a

(06:41):
lot of the same things that that Mace.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Uh see.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I bought that up because you know, they actually caught
me Mason the club.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
It was in the club in DC, and it was
like we got to push your ta in Mason.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
For a while.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
No, No, I'm cool with it all.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Yeah, I'm cool with it all.

Speaker 8 (06:59):
That's why I brought it up because that's what ultimately
caused the clips to you know, in for that fifth
period of time.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's right, yeah, yeah, So what got your back? What
was the call that said I want to do this again?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
There were a few baby steps, I'm gonna say, uh,
going out to Wyoming and uh, you know, working on
use this gospel with ya with my brother. I always
knew that we could do it, but I just knew
I needed to sit down period, you know what I'm saying?
And uh, what else did we do? We did push

(07:31):
his album, I Pray for You, We did the Lego album,
the album Yeah, I mean those were things I could
ask for that I knew, weren't you know, just solid
nose and you know, man.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
From there, it was just like, what we're gonna do?

Speaker 8 (07:48):
What was the exact moment though, because y'all were on
two completely different life paths, So what was the exact
moment that said, Okay, it's time to do another album?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Okay, So I'll say this. You know, when when we
were doing they use this gospel and punch bowl and
push his album and whatever, I had to ask my dad.
I was like, you know, what do you think about me?
Rapping again, and he said, he said, son, I think
you've been too hard on yourself. And my dad's a deacon,
you know, like he was a deacon. So to hear

(08:20):
him say that, I am like a word.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
That's how you feel like, you know, And you answered
one of my questions.

Speaker 8 (08:24):
I was gonna ask you about that because you talk
about that on Birds Don't Sink, right, And I just
thought that was such a powerful thing, just just to
explain like you was going through his you know, dresser drawer,
seeing his notes. But then he y'all had conversations about
you rapping again. I'm gonna ask you what would those conversations?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, we you know, just everything was the way
it lined up. It told the whole story, and it
let me know that God is intentional. These things don't
just be happening to us the way you know, we think.
God is very gracious and he sets you up. He
knows what you can take, He knows how much to
put on you. He knows the order in which to put,

(09:00):
you know, things in for you. So I I just
know that He's in control all the time. And the
conversations with that record, you know, Pusher talking to my
mom and me talking to my dad and being able
to document those last conversations. Even those conversations was a
type of preparation, you know, getting you ready for what

(09:23):
was about to take place.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
So like, I'm I'm.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Cool with it all.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Well, condolence is first, and for you know, I was
when I was in Vegas. You know, I was with
family members of yours and what I like to do
is is pull them to the side and just have conversations.
I knew I was coming up for an interview and.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
Trying to get tea yeah, of course, and one of
them was like, now we were talking about the down.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
This is before I heard the.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Album, and he was like, he was like, yo, the
best thing about it. He was like, I had their
mom in the car and he was like, the greatest
thing that ever happened is the two boys are back
together rapping. So how was that feeling of knowing that
mom was just super duper happy that her two sons
were backrock.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Uh man? You know she that was that was always
a big thing, you know, for me as a soloist.
She would always be like I want with them, Yeah,
I want your brother with you. I want them back
out there with you probably just to you know, look
over me, watch over me. But that was that was
always her thing. She was huge on like us just
being together.

Speaker 8 (10:26):
Yea, Now did y'all know y'all had to start the
album with a dedication to your parents, like.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Because it was the hardest record to make, Like, it
was the hardest record to make. So yeah, So finally,
like when we cracked that code, you know, we were
you know, we were putting the order in and we
was like, man, nah, this this, this has to start, like,
this has to start the album.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It was.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
It was polarizing the response, you know, just in the
creation of it. Man, everybody who heard it, you know,
and there were people in there, like you know, we
we recorded it in the LV headquarters, so it's a
room and it's you know, it's open. The mics are
like this, ain't no booth you record like this. You

(11:10):
look outside, you look through that window right there, and
then it's not a window, it's just an open space.
Somebody with a sewing machine, somebody with you know, bag
shoes whatever. And while we're doing this in real time,
everybody's in tears, like everybody just you know, they're they're
watching it. By the time we finish it, it's like,
you know, just like any other record. It's like, man,
you know, we we cracked the code on it, like

(11:32):
we were satisfied, but it was just so hard to do.
And everybody is always like, you know, everybody want to
put the hardest record first, and I'm like, nah, man,
this this is the this is the hardest record, and
I want to see how it like really touches people.
You know, from the jump and the didn't get into
everything else.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Did that change you?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Because you know, you talk about on the record of
where you were and the things that you should have
been doing that you weren't doing. Yeah, and then I've
seen a shoe for a couple of years with you
when you had your son, like everything is about your
son and you show up more than anything else, and
that wasn't you beforehand.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
So did that change you?

Speaker 5 (12:09):
What is my first son? So you know, this is
this is this is new to me. But you know,
I man, I don't know if it changed me. I
would say that my parents prepared me to be a dad,
like a real dad, because I had a real dad
and a real mom.

Speaker 9 (12:30):
Were there conversations that you wish you had with your mom,
like in those moments where you talk about you went
to Turks for Thanksgiving and.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
So no, no, like me and my mom was so straight,
like we've been, like we always were straight. And I
think that the you know, the whole the Turks thing
when you know, and looking at in hindsight, you know,
she was like, damn, you're gonna get out of here,
you know, you know, looking at it and everything, I

(12:56):
sort of feel like she knows, she knew everything, you know. Yeah,
so you know, it's just it's it's it was. It
tells the story, you know after you know what I'm saying,
like the whole story for me, Like I see it
all now, I see it all, but at the time, no,

(13:17):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I think.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think it also says a lot for you know,
being in harmony with your people. Yeah, really you really
should be, because that is what gives me a lot
of peace knowing that, you know, I was there for
my mother, a great relationship with my mother and my
father the whole time. So if you're out here and

(13:39):
you have like a dysfunction or a lot of dis
disdain between family members, you should really try to fix that,
you know what I'm saying. You should. You should really
try to fix that if possible, because right now with
my parents being gone, I get a lot of peace
just knowing that everything was straight and always straight.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
That's not the only thing.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Yeah, y'all choose who was going to rap about who?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
That was kind of easy.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
And even though we were, you know, just all of
us very close knit and tight knit. Uh, you know,
my dad and I we always talked about things of
the Bible, you know, and just whole even my mom
because my mom was you know, over the house every
Saturday for Bible study. But I don't know, it just

(14:28):
seemed like it kind of made more sense for you know,
me talking about my dad. Well, we get a visual
for this video.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
I mean, it's already shot. It's already shot.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Look at you. It's not like you already.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
But I pull everybody to the side, definitely asked.

Speaker 8 (14:45):
How difficult is it to rap honestly next to your
brother because y'all y'all really know each other, so you
could be like, yo, you're lying that ain't happy?

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Don't we don't have them kind of issues?

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Okay, Yeah, it's cool and getting.

Speaker 8 (15:02):
It's real, But is it ever like maybe that's too much,
Like maybe we shouldn't say that.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I think I think push It likes, especially now he
likes when I curse, you know, try to like all
the way there with it, you know what I'm saying.
But nah, I mean the rapping is is is just
like second nature to us and we've been doing this
for a while, so.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Just the funnest rapping has ever been, I'm being honest
with you, this go around, Yeah, like this is the
funnest rap has been. Like this ain't even like that's
not a thing, like it's you know, the roll out
and all of that is like the work. This the music,
not the music is what it is. Like the music

(15:42):
is there.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
You feel like you gotta you feel like you got
to prove yourself though it's like I see it would
hold right people.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh you lying? You ain't really do that?

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Ah man, you feel like you gotta bro I've been
in this twenty three years, like I've been who I've
been twenty three years, Like I don't I don't feel
like I got to prove anything to anybody, And I
feel like I'm the best at what it is I'm doing.
Like I don't think nobody talks like this nobody, Like,
it's a lot that comes with this and I feel like,
you know, people give you that the coke wrap Moniker

(16:13):
bro We like it's so much deeper than that. And listen,
I don't even argue. I don't even argue the title
no more. It's fine. It's just you know this right now,
what we're making is for those who know and for
those who understand, and for those who are like you know,
into hip hop, into the lifestyle. And I think that's
what you're seeing in the whole rollout of this album.

(16:35):
This this is high taste level everything, and it's you
know it and it shows the heritage of like how
and what we've been a part of for all these years.
You know, whether it's you know, high fashion, whether it's
car hard, whether it's streetwear, whether you know, whatever it is,
it's all hip hop. Like this is we're trying to

(16:57):
give the hip hop tutorial of like why we loved rappers,
you know the rappers I cut my eyebrows broke, you know,
like these things I did, like I did, you know
what I mean? And I want people to love us
in that way and I want to show that, like,
you know, this is what this is what hip hop
means to us, like be entrenched, and that's what we're

(17:19):
just trying to show.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
You know.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
That's funny because.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
That was one of my revelations with my departure, everything
that we were talking about, the things that we have
been through, the things that we were sharing, and then
to see how it all came crashing down with friends
and family you know, around us and death, yeah, death,
indictments even to present day. You know what I'm saying,

(17:44):
The same people that we were running with. We we've
lost a few, a few more recently. But my revelation
was when I would hear narratives of you know, they
weren't into that, or they weren't doing this and that,
and I'm like, I know what we've been through, and
for anyone to say anything like that, for to have

(18:05):
such a sacrifice of all these things going down, just
for someone to say that, which doesn't trouble me at all,
doesn't bother me. You know, people have their opinions and
can say what they want. But to be fighting for
that and talking that and and then then when it
happens and then somebody won't say you ain't do that,
I was like, oh man, no, I'm chilling.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
I'm good. I didn't hear a lot of cocaine wrap
on this record, though. Was that intentional? Do you think you.

Speaker 8 (18:28):
Should not as the Clips project?

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Right?

Speaker 8 (18:34):
No?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
I think you know, I think it's more reminiscent.

Speaker 7 (18:37):
Yeah, if you give a little in the beginning, a little.

Speaker 9 (18:40):
Something in the beginning's my favorite.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
For who you really they tried.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
They tried to scrap it.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
I tried to scrap it.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
They tried to scrap that.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, I told him, I was, you know, that's it.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Why the.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Stars about I want to because I was I was
actually mimicking Guru, like vocally, and I didn't think I
nailed it good enough. And I was just like, man,
I didn't get Guru. Oh yeah, okay, okay, I mean,

(19:26):
you know, very monotone, very conversational, very then and then
and it was like you know that. I mean, I
I just didn't. I wasn't sold on the execution can Man,
that's crazy, that's crazy because it was gone.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
That's my favorite there.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Did you tell him I don't want to do too
much of the cocaine thing.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
On this No, I mean, I think, you know, that's
the good thing between my brother and I things are understood.
You know, he knows why stand I know where he stands.
I don't try to chang ain't him or he don't
try to change me. And it's a it's a good
plan field where we come together and it's just real.
We don't have to like overcomplish, manufacture anything. It's just
what it is.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
The the other day, they said, I was glazing the
clips right.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
That is what I said, was I said, I said
something to this fact. I said, push has if he
hears anybody go at him, he has five records on
the side of five versus just the case.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I said, I just know because I know who he
is and what he is. Is that true?

Speaker 5 (20:34):
No, man, I'm not listen man, you know he said.

Speaker 11 (20:40):
No, he said, Now he looks good like the skins always.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Fresh man like, like I like skin compliments. I do
like skin compliments. I'm gonna tell.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
You to rap as it.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sometimes they throw stones that you do you have something
in the stass for each and every.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
One of them.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Man, I mean, I think you know, just me being
a rap artist and me being an MC is that's
just second nature. And usually most most people who throw stones, man,
I mean nobody's perfect. So I mean I can dissect
anybody just like they could dissect me. But you know, man,

(21:27):
I try not to. I try not to to engage
to my like I've done that. Like I've done a
lot of it, you know what I'm saying. I've done
it with the best and the biggest, Like I've done it.
So it's like, you know, you can't just entertain everything
because everybody and everybody's not good. Like everybody's not good.

(21:48):
This is this is a new day in a new
era where like you know, just uh clicks and and
and and clickbait and and people just say things for
for attention, and it's like you just can't entertain everything. Man,
you just can't. I feel like you've been trying to
catch your body since the story. I've been trying to

(22:10):
catch your body.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
Were you caught? Think a body? I think those were
shots directly at you. You were surgical with you said
at the end of peel Back, the lay is real slow.
So I feel like you really wanted to go there
with somebody for the longest.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Nah, man, no, no, I mean you know it's it's
never a.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Man.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I got, I got for real, I have a lot
to to to rap about. I got a lot to
wrap about. I got a lot, a lot of content.
The creativity is is ever flowing and it don't ever
have to be about an individual. It don't have to
be like not for me, Like I mean, like, I
feel like this album is incredible and I don't think

(22:57):
it's really dialed anywhere you could getting necessory to murder
charge because when you listen to.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
You for.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Things that you laid you know, you laid down that
Kendrick used for you for it, and I think it's
used in the battle period.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Man, you know, I think I think you know great
great lyricists just you know, tune into the obvious.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Speak during that battle and yeah, speak during the battle.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
I when do you pick and choose when to say
something about something because you sit on a lot of
stuff for a long time.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm always like that, like I
feel like and and that just comes with that just
comes with like my position in the game and like
just where I am as an artist. Like, man, I
don't you know, it's not always a radio record that
I have. It's not always you know, we don't get

(24:01):
you know, it's I'm not putting out music constantly. You
know what I'm saying, every five minutes a new record.
I feel like, you know, uh, you know, things happen.
You got to store it. You gotta store, you gotta craft,
you gotta make it right. You got to set the platform,
set the stage, breakdown.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
What the hit the situation with death Jam. You guys
were on Death Jam, Yes, decided to leave.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
You crazy too, man. You can sit up here and
tell Death Jam was like, Yo, Death Jam, Death Jam
don't care about your project.

Speaker 10 (24:29):
You crazy, honest man.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Man, He's.

Speaker 10 (24:42):
Like, you're not gonna do that after her?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Like what is You're not to talk about your music?
What are we gonna be talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And I actually left that day because we didn't sit down,
but he still wanted to do it.

Speaker 9 (24:49):
But I was pushing for her because I love Coco.
If we've been honest though, because listening to the project
now and knowing the background with You're on Jam, you
I don't understand why they would let a project like
this go.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So what was the call when when when you hit
it in the album and they called and said, we
can't put this out, we can't clear this record.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
What was that call?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Like, I mean, it was you know what it was.
It was something that I wasn't really dealing with firsthand.
They were like speaking to my management, uh and my
team and just like you know, and then it got
it got a little dicey to where to the point
they weren't they wouldn't text or email send these things
an email. They would they would like only talk on
the phone, and you know, they would instruct not to

(25:28):
email us back and forth these you know, that type
of correspondence. So, I mean, man, you know it's I
don't know, like I don't I don't know why. I mean,
I can only assume that it was just the optics
with everything they got going on with litigation, lawsuits and
over that the optics of clips Kendrick together, because that's

(25:51):
that's when it all happened. Like we don't we don't
we don't really deal with the label that much anyway
outside of nothing. Actually, yeah, we don't deal with the label.
Like we we go make our album and then we
come and bring the album back. But y'all, you and
Rick worked together before y'all got a classic together. If
you ask me different, Oh it's a different day. It

(26:13):
wasn't you know that was back then, but y'all wasn't
even shooting that dude, It doesn't it doesn't matter. That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So then so when you wanted to leave, you call
Hole and then the first room was they just let
you go for free.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
We was like that can't be true.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
No no, no, no, no no no. It had to pay,
had to pay.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
So you reached out the whole and Hope sit absolutely possible.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Well was my Stephen did Yeah, Stephen, Stephen reached out
to him. There were other other labels in the in
the in the bidding, and he just called hold, like yo,
I think there was a there was a there was
an approval process between one of the labels or something
took a little long, and he went and ass whole
and Hope was like, look, yeah, let's do this now,

(26:54):
like twenty four hours, maybe maybe forty eight hours. I
never seen lawyer work like this fast. Yeah, I didn't
know it even happened like that. And what record was
all supposed to be on on this project ship man
there was I mean, we got he was saying changing whibs.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Uh it was Mike Tyson.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
Mike Tyson blow to the face, you know. Whole had
the album, So you know It. Yeah, it was it
was all for him to whatever he wanted to do.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
Supposed to be on so be It.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Yeah, that was one of the options. Yeah, yeah, and
nothing moved the spirit.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Man.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
I don't know, Man, I don't know man.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
You know, you know on pov Malas you said that
you came back for the money that's the devil.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Can you explain it?

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I just thought it was a real fly line, you know.
And for anyone who has any questions about me, I'm
Jesus inside out, like I'm all the way gone with it,
like it it's crazy. But uh, I just took so
artistic liberty, you know with that line. And really, to me,

(28:05):
you know, money is a good thing. You need money,
especially to you know, you got friends and family to
be able to help people. It's nothing wrong with money.
I think people put a stigma on money, for the
Bible says that it is the love of money that's
the root of all evil, not the money. It's how

(28:26):
much you love it. What are you willing to do
for it or what won't you do for Do you
lose all your principles and your morals? So I don't
think we can demonize money. But for me, it was
just a fly line to the church, right Nah, not
because the line is fresh.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
That's the devil in me.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Had to hide it from the church. That's the jeckal
of me.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
But I'm just.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Talking about the duplicity and the dichotomy of you know, uh,
the mind and how people think and the two sidedness
the people. Sometimes that's everybody, absolutely, yeah, that's everybody.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Earlier, right Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
When Mace came back, it was on his ass right
because of the lyrics, because of the type of records
that he was on.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
But with you, they don't do that with you. Why
do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Uh, I don't. I don't know, but but I'm gonna
tell you for me.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And and looking at Mace now, like I get Mace,
Like I understand people are judgmental, you know what I'm saying.
I've heard a few things about me. You know, I'm
not gonna like I haven't seen anything.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
But you you have to know be solid and who
you are, and if you have the word in you.
The Bible says that there is none righteous, no not one,
so nobody can like truly point the finger. But uh,
you better have your heart positioned in Jesus Rice by
the end of the day, because when when when the
music stop, you definitely want to have a seed.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
He taught me that at it because I didn't know.
He told me that God, God think we all dirty?
That's what.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
How do your conversations be with it? Like do you
know about forgiveness alone?

Speaker 5 (30:18):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
You know what, Listen, I'm gonna tell you, Like when
my brother listens to me, you know now or he
has the appearance of listening. Yeh, he hears me. He
hears me. And any time I get to witness to anybody,
you know, with with without being preachy or or forcing myself.
You know what I'm saying. I the problem is for

(30:42):
me is that I happen to know how serious this is.
And the thing about not knowing is that you don't
know that you don't know, you know what I'm saying.
So when you're trying to uh, when people open the
door and are willing to listen, I try to do
whatever it is I can. But my brother, he's been

(31:02):
incredibly supportive of me, even in my stepping away. He's
never you know, was like, Yo, what are you doing?
Or this? Like he basically just said, okay, you know,
he asked me, was I sure?

Speaker 5 (31:15):
You know?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
And and that meant a lot to me because I
had a lot. It was like a heavyweight. So to
have the support of my brother, even through the whole hiatus.
He would come to me and he was like, Yo,
so and so was offering this amount of money. But
what he did, but but but what he would do
was he said, I already told them no, but I

(31:37):
didn't want this to happen without me letting you know,
just in case.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
So but right right, well, you know.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
I felt supportive.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
So that's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Robbed when people never.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Feel never feel robbed.

Speaker 11 (32:01):
How do you feel when people leak music? Like when
people release your music prematurely?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yo?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
You know, the game goes how it goes, and that's
how we maneuver, we navigate everything. I'm not gonna sit
up and be upset about anything.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
That happens when we get in there and we create
and we make our music and we do what we do.
What else you're gonna do? What else can you do
other than that? You know what I'm saying. And I
stand on our product and I love it. And it's
good for fans to get things sometimes, so it's cool,
Like as long as they enjoy it, it's good.

Speaker 9 (32:33):
Did y'all everythink about trying to get another Kendrick verse
once that leaked before the album?

Speaker 7 (32:37):
Actually like dropped.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Man, we try to get all Kendrick versus?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Why not y'all.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Knew playing that song in Paris, everybody's phone out it
was going.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Y'all had to know that.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yeah, you know, it's part of it. You know.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
MB said something about what you asked about Malice about
why you don't get the flack. I think one reason
is because y'all have always had like a spiritual thread
in your music, especially with the album titles. So how
is your personal understanding of good and evil evolved since
like hell have.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
No fear good and evil?

Speaker 5 (33:13):
How has it is your personal understanding of it evolved?

Speaker 8 (33:17):
When you're even talking about rap, Like you know, people
some people say rap music is secular, it's the devil,
you shouldn't do it, But then you know, you went
on your journey and you were doing it even while
you're on your journey, but now you're.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Back, like, yeah, I think I think one of the
things that I have learned is uh, start with yourself
before you try to correct anybody matter. I'm not even
saying you should try and correct anybody, but you start
with yourself and looking within and and change the things
that you can change, and work on what you need

(33:49):
to work on. And then you can like offer some
kind of advice or if if people are even interested,
you know what I'm saying, be able to give a
reason for the whole hope that you have. And yeah,
I think if more of us looked at ourselves and
instead of trying to judge other people, I mean, because

(34:10):
you know you you you look, you look deep enough,
you'll find.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Something all the time, you know.

Speaker 11 (34:14):
So to what you said about when you went to
Wyoming to do use this gospel, by the way, the
hardest song on on that album. How do y'all feel
about Kanye now? Do you feel sadness with sympathy for him?
Y'all see him now?

Speaker 5 (34:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
No no, no, no, no no no. I'm going to
say and and and and I'm going to say that
I think this goes for for anybody.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
When you have a true revelation of God, it is
radical because when you when when when you when the
scales fall off your eyes. You do you want to
run and tell everybody what you what you witness or
you know, we've been missing it this whole time. You know,
it's it's how it's how I felt. But once you
get that, you gotta sit down for a minute. You

(35:08):
can't get the revelation and then try to keep going
in this world. The epitome of the gospel is denying yourself.
That's why Christ got on the cross and.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Gave up his flesh.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
So you have to be willing to give it up
so you can learn and then let God restore you
and rebuild you. You know, correctly doesn't mean anybody is
a perfect person, you know what I'm saying, or or
you can't even try to have the facade of Okay,
I'm saved now now I'm perfect. Nah, it just doesn't
work like that.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So how do you deal with it? Push?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Because deal with Kanye because you know you're not the
type of person to hold your tongue.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
You know, you don't hold your word.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So when some of the stuff that he did that
might not have aligned what you thought, did y'all have
those conversations?

Speaker 5 (35:55):
Well, I mean, you know, I spoke on it. I
feel like that's that was the beginning of our fallout.
But you know, he.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Sits on a lot of miscarriages of justice. I've seen it,
you know what I'm saying. I hear things and things
being said, and I see, you know, his reserve. You know,
I admire his restraint. People By the time he jumps
out the window, you think he's going overboard. But I'm
telling you as knowing my brother, he sits on a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
And what about all that music, because I'm sure you
you got tons of music, but we never hear the
stuff that you've done.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yeah you will, because they leak it all. They leak
it all they put out or just sloppy, you know,
I don't you know, I don't know. I don't I
don't use it. I don't even keep it. But you know,
you've you've seen and heard the things that have been
out there.

Speaker 9 (36:52):
But I saw you say you hate Kanye's leadership and
you got away from that, got away from that community
that he built because of the feeling over there, right,
What was that like last straw of like nah, I
can't no more.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
I think for me it was I think for me
it was somewhere around somewhere around the Atlanta the Dome,
the locked in when everybody was locked in the dome,
and you know, I, you know, like again, man, when
when we squad and we were working and we're doing

(37:27):
what we're doing, it's just all about the squad. And
I kind of just felt like, you know, I would
you know, I would have to leave and go do
things shows, whatever the case. Maybe I would come back
and the energy would just be different. You know. There
were conversations being had, uh you know, this is this
is after Addie Don and everything else, and you know,

(37:47):
it was like, man, I was doing self serving things
and it was just crazy. It was just a lot
of like you know, backbiting and things like that, and
I'm like, damn, this is this is for the squad,
I thought.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
But you know, it publicly negative about you.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
We heard him say about Sean. We heard him say legend.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Oh no, for sure he has for sure he has.
He put on remember he put on the little mask.
He was like screaming in the culturally inappropriate Oh man, yeah, no,
listen man, Okay, So during during just the sessions, whether

(38:28):
it was a beat, whether it was you know, just
the freestyles before and making the songs whatever the case
may be. You know, we would get hype about just
like man, it's hard or whatever whatever it was at
the time, and I forgot who said it, but it
was Mike.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Mike.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Mike was like, man, this ship is culturally in appropriate.
And Mike also worked on It's Almost Dry, so you
know how that had a common thread of like the
Joker laugh through the whole album. He was like, yo,
say that on the mic and let me run that
through a filter, because you know, we just felt like
we just kept running that back. It's culturally inappropriate. He

(39:08):
was like, say it through a filter, let's find a voice,
and let's just see how it sounds on records. And
it actually just worked just to have that, you know,
just another thread to keep it, you know, cohesive, keep
the album cohesive.

Speaker 8 (39:20):
I mean, I like it just because it's something that
I feel like we should say something.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, it could have been a line. What I'm saying
is it could have been a line, it could have
been a song, it could have been a hook idea.
At the time, I just you know, I just can't
remember what it was. But that's that's where that that
term came from. Something that was just said ignorantly.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
And what pissed you off about Travis Scott so much
that you had to mention him on a regulard? What
made you say this isn't this niggas going too far?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Ah?

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Man, it was just you know, it was just that
that whole coming to uh coming to Paris. You know,
he came to Paris during one of our sessions, you know,
played his album and then he you know, when when
he left, the album comes out, and you know the
record that he played, you know, had a verse up
there that was you know, going at p whatever the
case may be. And I'm like, damn, you just left,

(40:09):
Like how you how you leave here? You know he
was on your album and then you're letting him, you know,
play your album for him, you're filming it, and then
you come back when the album drops you got a
verse you know, going at him. So I just thought
that was corny. And again, like you know, that's part
of the I think that's part of just trying to
leave all of that behind. And it's like, man, like

(40:30):
that's the type of thing that happens over in that
yay world and it's okay and they you know, it's
all right, they just brush it off and they be
friends and they go hang out together and then you know,
do whatever they do. Like that doesn't I didn't. I
didn't like that that was brought into this fold.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
One time they said that the verse the drink First
wasn't done as a yet.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
It doesn't matter when it was done. I don't care
when it was done. You you added to it. You
actually he actually had a verse after that verse, so
you you even added to the verse, like pate etiquette
for a situation like that, Just stay the hell away
from me, like like I'm not I'm not into you anyway,
Like I'm not even into your swag and none of that,

(41:12):
Like it's not into none of it. So just stay away,
like I only want to mess with the real, Like
I'm only dealing with the real. I'm only you know,
doing music with the real. We just I just let's
just let's just this is like just drawing a line
in the sand for everybody. What are you responsible for
what an artist does on your record?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Mm hmmm? Are you responsible for what the artist like.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
If it's Travis responsible for Drake's line.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
If you if you come and dance around in front
of me and and use and use and use footage
and do all this and all that. I think you're
responsible for anything that you do that you incorporate the
people that you know that are that are that are
that are that are being you know, uh talked about.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Of course, I can't believe you have to explain this.
You know, I'm not just taking size of because my brother.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
I'm just saying, you know, like, but I'm.

Speaker 8 (42:11):
Talking about the artists who might approach you because of
what you push your sex.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
I mean, listen, I ride with my brother. You know
what I'm saying. And that's the and that's the thing
about this having purpose. I know what my purpose is.
I'm making music with my brother and I'm glorifying my God.
That's what I'm doing. And when you're in your purpose,
if anything fall on you didn't follow you, at least
you know you were where you were supposed to be.

(42:38):
And That's where I'm at right now. So I'm cool
with whatever.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
When people approach you for things, I say, approach that's
all the time. But also also bed you say you
got a video of Travis.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Crime, no man.

Speaker 7 (42:57):
In front of me?

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Oh no, no, that that that wasn't that that's not
about crying.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
So what's on the video?

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Oh man? You know yeah, you know, God damn, I
got you.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
I'm glad.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Because can't do interviews by yourself. How did you?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Tyler creator phenomenal?

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Yeah, hell yeah right, Tyler's crazy man, Tyler ben We
I mean since uh Trouble on my Mind, he's huge,
uh star trek Neptune for real clips, uh fan like
he knows the discography, you know, fromwards and backwards. He's

(43:47):
He's spoken a lot about how his influence he's been
influenced by things that we've done. But yeah, I mean trouble,
I don't even remember the year of Trouble on my
Mind came out, But since then, we've all he's been,
always been cool, always been tight. And yeah he came
through on POV he came through. How do you reconcile

(44:09):
in nostalgia?

Speaker 8 (44:10):
Fans will feel for the old clips being at y'all
totally different men today.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
I'd like to think that they've grown with us. Yeah, yeah,
I'd like to think that they have. And I think that,
you know, I think that they've grown with us, and
I feel like our growth is something that you know,
needs to be studied and studied and just you know,

(44:39):
maturing in hip hop, maturing in hip hop and just
culturally just showing you how to navigate and grow in
this game and still be current and still be you know,
of the mix and you know, just just not trying
to stay nineteen forever. Like, Yeah, when the last time
you felt this safe? Because I can hear it in

(45:01):
the music.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
You feel like a homecoming, right, Yeah, people with the
things that y'all talking about. You got Malice back Live
is on the album Yeah for rail production. When I'm
watching you in interviews, I'm like, damn, Push is just
letting it fly, all of it. Yeah, when did you
what made you feel so safe in this moment?

Speaker 5 (45:17):
I don't, you know, I just think that I don't know.
For me, I look at it like media has always
been a big part of the Clips because it's always
been a story. The Clips always has a story, and
I don't necessarily think you can get up here and
lie and play. People see through that, And I'm not
want to be seen through, Like I don't like I'd

(45:40):
rather just, you know, just tell the truth and call
it today versus you know, sitting here trying to tap
dance around things, so you know, I don't know. I
think that it's not about feeling safe, it's just about
you know, this is this is part of the game,
and this is part of the game for us. And

(46:01):
I feel like when you got the music to back
it up, man, you gotta listen, you gotta you gotta
be musty TV, you gotta be you don't enjoy rappers line.
I think it was Madles on the album that was
one of my favorite, and I wanted to say that
you've been entertained by rappers you never believed or something
not have sung along with I never believe. I wish
I said that. I wish I said that. That's what

(46:27):
that's I wish I wish I could have said the
maceline and I wish I said that line. Those are
my two takes.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
How that I was gonna say, do y'all do that
all the time?

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Like if you too? If you to switch verses on
like a classic Clips song, like he can't give me
his verse. They're saying, I'm going to right now what
y'all talking about? That's the debate online. I am go
into I'm one too. Just off features No Off the

(47:01):
Records I'm going to right now.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
No, every time, I'm sure, man, I just I just
do me, man, And I think I think our personalities
and experience lends itself to you know, just different scenarios
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Different basis. I can't I can't do what push does?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (47:28):
I get that, and all I can do is be me.

Speaker 8 (47:30):
So you've never heard a push line and be like, damn,
I wish I said that all the time.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (47:38):
I was going to ask at the listening that we
went to, y'all talked about y'all didn't have a ton
of music. Y'all are very particular about recording and this
is the music we're going to do, and you've always
been that way. But it's been so long, So how
did you know what you wanted to say?

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Like?

Speaker 7 (47:52):
How did you narrow it down to narrative?

Speaker 5 (47:55):
I think I think the key the thing that we
were trying to find in the studio was urgency. Urgency
was like the key word that regardless of what it was.
It could be birds on sing, it had to be urgent.
It had to tug at your heart. You know, if
you listen to pov the flow had to be something

(48:18):
of you know, or the bars had to be something
of urgency. So it wasn't about it wasn't about honestly
finding words or topics to rap about. It was just
that the music needed to feel urgent the whole time.
I think that was our I think that was our
our biggest goal, just to make sure that that sense

(48:39):
of urgency was there.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Talk about what Virginia means to you guys.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Because you get a lot of people that leave their
city and they moved to New York, they moved to Jersey,
they moved to Atlanta, they moved to the West. You
guys have never left Virginia. So what does Virginia mean
to you?

Speaker 5 (48:54):
For me, Virginia is everything.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Childhood, upbringing, where my mother, grandmother and great grandmother hel
from friends. You know, we were just talking about this.
We have the same friends from you know, way back,
and just certain ethics and standards of loyalty, you know

(49:22):
that has been bred in Virginia. I absolutely love Virginia.
I wouldn't want to move anywhere else. It's my pace,
it's my stylus, it's what I know.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
It's home. Yeah, I think I think Virginia you know,
for me and the fact of like never moving, I
always felt like my music would suffered to write and
would suffer. I've always felt like that. I don't. It's
the comfort, the comfort of being there, and I think

(49:55):
that it gives a different perspective. I feel like the Clips,
Damn the clips. Clips. Yeah, I feel like Clips. I
feel like Clips is different because of Virginia. I feel
like the music that we and the influences that we've
been afforded by living in Virginia, a military town, there

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were things I never knew about musically or would have
never ran across if we weren't in Virginia. And you know,
the flavor for yous, the mixtape shops, and you know,
I was exposed to the Bay sound. I was exposed
to Houston because of this town. And it was only

(50:40):
because like it was such a military town that all
these different influences came there musically. Even I mean even
the late or early eighties, late eighties, the whole drug
culture that the New York to Virginia pipeline that brought

(51:00):
so much music, so much influence, it brought so much man.
You you know, man, if you just think about if
you if you just think, Yeah, if you just think
about though, like the nineties, it was it was Mace,
it was big, it was Wu Tang, it was everybody
rapping about Virginia Beach like you know, just to to

(51:22):
know like it was, and it was such it was
so impressionable. I think that that that that gave us
a lot of fuel, a lot of information, and a
lot of different things to take from to create what
the clips are today.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
When you met your wife, yes, do you know she
was the one as soon as she said her name?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
No, no, not from Virginia. Yeah, that was crazy though,
But from there to yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
So do y'all do y'all like go out in Virginia.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
I'm move around the total totally.

Speaker 11 (52:03):
Because a lot of rappers after from sorry, a lot
of rappers like I have to leave their city because
of that.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
You know, with love comes to.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Hate, the bigger you get.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Nah. You know, up at the office, they were just
talking about what they hear about us at home and
how we're out. You know, every time I'm in the
grocery store, you know, I'm taking a picture by the
peanut butter that I don't want to take.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
I'm not doing you know, with the people.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
But just you know, they catch me anywhere and they said,
I'm out there officiating weddings and people see me at
the gas station. Like you know, we go out. We
definitely go out. And it feels good to be able
to you know what I'm saying, Virginia, don't be tripping.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
Virginia's cool, but.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
Y'all are like that.

Speaker 9 (52:42):
Not everywhere, but like I saw that there was a
video you in Miami, Push, and I'm like, where is
all the people with him?

Speaker 7 (52:48):
Like you just walking around?

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And what was the security was? I was one?

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Yeah, I had the man, I was. I was I
was going to get uh. I was want to get
a Mother's Day gift, I think, And you know southside man,
he just walked.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (53:08):
But you know you all laid back and chill.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
And you gotta be I mean, you know, you know,
somebody got a man chill, nobody had a gun. Let's
leave it there. What is what is the skin regiment?

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Because brother, Push, I'm sitting here, look yeah, and I've
never seen the inside of somebody look so smooth like that.

Speaker 11 (53:35):
Like what you able to do is the diet?

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Is it? Like? What is it?

Speaker 4 (53:43):
I think I think it's working out.

Speaker 10 (53:45):
I don't know if it's no.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
You know what I'm saying that the die is that
their diets or diet. Yeah, is that your diet?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (53:54):
Like?

Speaker 5 (53:54):
What isn't?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
I think you know, we work out every day, you know,
and we enjoy that. I think that's fine watching what
you eat, you know. I think I think we are
the first generation in our family, you know, reading labels
and calorie counts and proteins and stuff like that. So
maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I don't know that skin is crazy song.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Your skin too?

Speaker 6 (54:21):
All right? All right?

Speaker 5 (54:27):
He produced every song? Yeah, Yeah, that's what I feels.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
Like he took like a more when he when he
produces for it's more like a minimalist approach.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
I think it's a direct approach. Yeah, I think it's
it's I think it has a lot to do with
our vocals being instruments and treating it, treating the vocal
like a real instrument, like you know, versus like overproducing

(54:59):
so much so much. This this centered around the word.
You know what I'm saying when it comes to us
that you have to let that breathe. And I think
he takes that that direction.

Speaker 8 (55:09):
How does that change your well, how did that challenge
your pin of delivery?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Everything is about the raps anyway, It's always been about
the raps. But I don't got a production bone in
my body, so I ain't never gonna be able to
lean on it. But so much, you know, I think
I think that I think there's a standard that just
comes with the writing. He just knows that it sounds
best minimal with us cutting through. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
So when the beat changes on a record, like with
the record that, do you ever say that's why it
was him, That's why he was on it.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
He asked for two eights. It was like, Yo, I
got this change, give us two eights. When we heard
the be we was like, oh, that's for Noads, I
mean and just you know, just knowing, like you just
know that that no, that that is that he was
in a queen's bag of whatever, that was, whatever was
inspiring him at the time. I was like, man, that

(56:03):
was that was for Homie?

Speaker 9 (56:05):
I know DJ clues involved to right, Yeah, talk about
in the project.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Again, man, clue was he wasn't. What happened was you know,
just again making the records, going through the records. Uh,
we actually stole Clues drops from like just awful old
mixtapes because we just felt that it fit. And you know,
when he heard it, he was like, no, I got

(56:30):
to redo these they don't belong. He book the studio,
booked the studio and he had to he reconfigured everything
he did and did it live. But it was just
some of those records kind of sparked that nostalgia. And
you know, when when when we're in the moment, you
know whether it's a for real you know, if you

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hear Foraral singing the hook or you know, we wanted
the hook that he's not going to stay on. We
gotta kind of finish it just to see what it
feels like. So we stole the drops and once Clue
heard it, he you know, did it properly.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Talk about the Cousins Festival you got going on.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
R oh Man Cousins Festival. Cousins Festival is August thirtieth.
It is the best time. It's Labor Day weekend and
it is it's an indoor an outdoor festival. You know
outdoor you have a Cousin's Festival stage. It's like all
the DJs, you got backyard band, you got man, you know,

(57:33):
drug food trucks. It's it's clue as its clue is
is envy. It's a DJ booth.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah, we need just there.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
And then on the inside we have as as the
as the day goes on, we have an inside, we
have a show and that's gonna be g z T
Pain Little Kim. And it's like it is the best
one day festival time of of of of of Labor
Day weekend in Virginia.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Why don't you perform at the festival though? Because this
is the second anyone?

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Right, yeah, this is the second one.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Why don't you perform at your festival?

Speaker 5 (58:15):
H Well, actually we have a show already booked, so
we ruined it. No, not the day of, not the
day of, but you know, it just it just didn't
make sense. And you know this is this is really
about we take real polls, like yo, who y'all want
to see? You know we just last year Yeah, last
year was Rikabad Larry June, Lion babe host of d

(58:40):
j's Jermaine you know, and this year, you know, this
year we stepped it up a notch.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
The show you got already booked is at the Toy
Work Game. Yes, sorry about that.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 12 (58:54):
I didn't say it, Kevin was because it's all good, man,
It's all good.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I mean, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that we're
going out there with Earth Game. Those guys are awesome,
and I feel like the show is going to be incredible.
Like what twenty five dates? Twenty five dates?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
You know, ga with the handle for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
You know, I didn't know that. Oh wow, crazy.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
I's got a couple more questions, man mouth. How is
your journey as a pastor, your spiritual journey?

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Why does a pastor?

Speaker 4 (59:31):
No, I'm not, I could I could be.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
I'm not a pastor your spiritual journey?

Speaker 8 (59:39):
How's that helping you navigate this current climbing and hip
hop but also this current journey to clips wrong?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
It helps me with my journey through life with everything,
I feel like I actually don't know how you can
do it without God anything. Let all things be done
decently and in order, And no matter what you're doing,

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you need to have the Word of God with you,
even if it's only to help you in understanding things
around you that you can't change. You know, to have peace? Uh,
in peace with yourself. So it's everything to me. God,
God is everything to me first and foremost. And that's
not that's not cliche like I need Jesus like I

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need water and food.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
It's a fact.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
Well, what's what's the song on the new album? You
think people are gonna completely misinterpret?

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
I don't know. I don't care you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
It could be the whole album.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, let's get into a join of the album. What
y'all want to hear?

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Not the two joints I have been playing fight?

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Oh yeah, let's get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
You got to send that to me please.

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
Already?

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Or do birds on sing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Yeah, two birds on sing? Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That's powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Well, I appreciate you bubs for joining.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Us, thanks for having thank you, thank you very much
on y'all. But we're gonna have to wait another fifteen
years or nah no, no, I don't think so okay, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
I don't know, y'all just so happy.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Yeah, that's why when I said the safe space thing, like,
I can really see that, I can see how this
is like a divine protection with all together having an
individual when y'all together.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
You can.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
I'm with that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
I'm with that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
I feel that, I see that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
Yeah, and this is just that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
Ch'a would question how many people still think y'all twins?

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Everybody? Okay, am you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Growing up?

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
I was like, they are twins.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
I will I will all get people down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Because they was right from down the street.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
I'm from Baltimore, you know they right there.

Speaker 11 (01:01:53):
But I got a family in Virginia, and I was
even telling the Virginians, Yo, they're twins.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Were like, no, they not, so my bad.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Okay, but people do say that it wasn't everybody exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Let's get into the record.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
One last thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Is there ever a problem you say, like, I'm not
going there with push It Like if pushes going to
a spot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
A strip club to host it or he's going to
strip like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I'm not doing that, yo.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Everybody keeps putting you in the strip club.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
For every in the strip club, I usually don't. I
mean my book. But work is work, work is work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
It's clips its morning.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast club