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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day waiting Breakfast Club finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody is the j n V. Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We got a special guest in the building, Yes, sir,
got Gerbo. Welcome and congratulations man the number one record
a couple of weeks ago, grass Man.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm glad to be here.
How a feeld number one record? I feel good. I'm
not gonna lie. I feel great. It feel great.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'll just be trying to like stay in the moment
real just just keep it like up, you know, like
when you where you got those type of moments you
just trying to figure out like all right, well I
me personally, like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I gotta figure out what's the next best thing, Like
what do I do next? From that?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Like I try to live in a moment and grasp
up that energy. But just keep it going. You're not
trying to catch another number one.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm just trying to keep it going.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Did you expect that to be the record because it's
not your typical course, Well, it was just you just spitting.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nah, Hell Noah, for sure. I was just literally, I
can't say it enough. It was just me just having
fun in the studio. I was in New York and
was in the studio me south Side Smack and you
know south Side Like I really, I'd be having to
give a lot of credit to Big Bro because he
want the only people that could tell me like, rap
on this, just rap on this and figure it out
(01:19):
like just rap And that's what I did and that
that should changed my life?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Who picked it as a single? Like was it just
I'm just gonna release and see what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And it just took over. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's why I like, as artists, you gotta like really
just bet on yourself for real, for real. Because I
was in the in a mold of just trying to
do music and see what the streets connected to.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I didn't even like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Song came out and December on my app. I got
an app on my own app, like where I just
put out music material content. All this is just for
the people who really support me. Like you know what
I'm saying, my fans, theyn't know about the g app.
I put it out on my app on a project
that I was just recording.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
All samples too, Like I did a project with all.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Samples and it couldn't even go on Apple Music.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It couldn't go on DSPs. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like I put it out on the app in December,
and the label put it out on DSPs in like
March April. So it's like you gotta just trash it
and just see what the streets fuck with gra app.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Has it changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because see I'll be thinking that. You know a lot
of people be fronting on like the power of radio
and having a big radio record.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Speak to that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Man for sure, And you gotta put money in radio though,
like you gotta, like you know what I'm saying, what
you put in it, come out, We'll go out on
the wash, come out on the wrist.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Whatever they're saying is you know what I'm saying. So like.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've always been like I knew because I've been independent
this whole time, So I know about like analytics, I
know about like residuals, I know what, Like one record
can really change your life, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I finally caught that record that like that life
changing records.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So yeah, the bag been.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Crazy and the royalties from radio are better than the screaming.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And it's like once you once you get a song
that really go radio.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's like it's just like it just changed everything for real.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Change the places you actually perform at for sure, Right
exactly like you could put you could put you put
money in radio for sure for what to do what
it's supposed to do. But just like even like it's
a difference between like putting something in radio for just
get on the radio for shit to get like rhythmic
play playlists, you know what I'm saying, Like all of that,
it's just a big super difference.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like I'll be talking to like Make all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's just like once you get a record, Like I'm
not even talking about what legit Like there's certain records
that like the format where you know it could go radio,
you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like every
artist all you need is like one radio record a year,
just one.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like you feel I'm saying, it ain't that easy to
get one. It's not easy at all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But like you know, hit Maker, that's my big brother,
Like he the god of this ship, like you fee
what I'm saying, Like he know the whole formula he
do it like and that's why he's so rich, like
that Nigga richest shit because he on radio every year
at least.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Point it out right for sure. Willow Herb Willer Herb.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I was just trying to like tap into like that
old hunger, like my old self. And when I be
rapping good and shit, like I be reading comments and shit,
sometimes my fans be like, oh that ain't they Ain't
you heard what? That's little herd, you know what I'm saying.
Like I feel like that was like one of my
best errors of rap. Like I always been able to rap.
I'm an EMC, so it's like I don't care if
(04:45):
I'm not even all the way tapped into like my
confidence and all of that shit. I'm always gonna be
able to rap good, you feel me, But like once
you really focus on straight rap, it's different.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So that's why I went and like name my album
or Herb, like I was going up like listening to
old interviews, listen to old music videos. I mean, watch
old music videos, listen to old songs and shit like that,
and like I was just trying to find like a
higher level of rap for myself, you know what I'm saying.
(05:23):
And I say this all the time, like you could
really get caught up in what's in front of you,
Like always been the type of person Like I say
this a lot a lot of rooms that I was in.
I wasn't really in the rooms, you know what I'm saying,
because I'm thinking about like my past. I'm thinking about
what I gotta do when I get out the room.
Like I'm just saying what's up, Like there's certain conversations
(05:45):
that I really couldn't have because my mind is all
over the place. You feel me, Like so like in
this like era where I am mentally, I was just
trying to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Like find that old hunger that made me enjoy what
I have now, you know what I'm saying, Like like.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
That's that's why I really named my project Little Herb,
because like you were like on the day to day,
I'm thirty years old. I've been rapping since I was
like sixteen for real, for real, Like you feel me,
and I was trying to figure out like damn, like
it's like all the steps to that it took me
to get here. You feel what I'm saying, Like I
forgot a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm not gonna lie. It's a lot of shit that
I did that I forgot.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So it's like I wanted to make myself remember, so
I had to like go back in and like tap
in with my old self for real.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I heard you say a little herb is a full
circle moment and it's a return to the fundamentals. But
you closing the chapter on the little herb area, what
what is closing that chapter actually look like?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Closing that chapter is like for real, just letting go.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Like it's a lot of shit that I held on
to that I just don't need no more.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like for real, for real, like the street.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Therapy talk right there, just.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Letting go for real real, and it is. It is
definitely therapy that helped me. It's like a lot of
that you hold on to you just like just let
it go, just let it go and just let.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It find you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know what I'm saying, Like, no, for real, Like
I was one of the people that just like my
heart is so big, and I feel like people knew that,
Like people knew that, Like they grab me and I'm
grabbing them back. You fee what I'm saying, Like I'm
holding on to that type of shit. It's like that's
just letting that chapter go, like I should like and
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people been saying this to me for years and I've
been knowing it, but I never really acted on it.
Like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music and my
family and like God, like that's the only thing that
I should wake up and care about.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I shouldn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
About how somebody else eat or how somebody else get
the work or get the sleep or any of that shit,
and not worried about that for years. Like let's be
closing that chapter, like I'm gonna tap into this, tell
my story and just let go for let go and
let God for real for and that go for everything
and everybody. And it's a whole other chapter opening for
me because everything that got me here, I don't I
(08:03):
don't even really have it no more, for real real,
like all my friends dead. I'm finna be a real,
one hundred percent independent artist, Like I don't got no label,
no production company. I'm one hundred percent a real new
person and a new artist.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So it's like I just.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Want to just tap into this shit, do what I
need to do, and I'm already doing it for real,
but just like letting go for real, like I don't.
I don't want to have no attachments other than family,
No bullshit.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How did you balance revisiting like those old traumas with
the grown man you are now like you're thirty, So
you did your whole new level of life. You don't
shift to the fad shot that kid, nineteen year old kid?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No more?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
My homie, my one of my best friends, he used
to say this shit like he only probably like eight
months older than me.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He like, bro, once you touch thirty, you just gonna start.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think he's He used to tell me like, I
can't wait you turn thirty, like he turned thirty. He like,
I can't wait till you turn thirty because it's just
like it's like a light switch.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Like shit, just you know what I'm saying, just tap in.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For you and it's for me for real, like I promise, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't be wanting to sound like cliche or corny
and none of this type of shit. But like my
girl is like my toughest critic, Like she wanted people
who really just like stay on me, like she tell
me a lot of shit that I know and I
don't act on you know what I'm saying, which is
coming to like my business, niggas around me. You feel
(09:33):
what I'm saying, like all of that you feel me
like and like to kind of like tap into the
what you were saying. The question is like you just
gotta you just gotta really like just go with your gut,
your intuition. You fee what I'm saying. Like a lot
of times niggas question theyself and feel like all right,
but you know you might know the answer, you might
know right from wrong and not do it because you
(09:56):
question it has going to like affect other people. You
feel what I'm saying, And I'm one of them type
of people, but like I'm one of them type of
people that think about how it's going to affect other people.
And like I was saying that, like because my girl
she like she don't give a fuck, like she don't care, and.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You need that, like you need it because like I really.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Got to stop caring for real for real, Like I
feel like I care too much and I like done
certain shit or not done certain things because I'm figuring,
I'm feeling like it's going to affect people in a
negative way or whatever way it is.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's like if you got a good heart, if you
just lead with what is right for you, like it'll
work out for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now you talk about Meek Mill changing your life, right, yeah,
he was your inspiration. Yah, break that down to what
you've seen in milk, that meat that made you think
that you can do it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Literally, I've just got done listening to We're Gonna Get
this money right now on my way here.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Like, Meek is my.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Favorite rapper for real, Bro, It's my big brother. And
I was just with Meek last night. We just did
a song last night.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We was in the studio last night, I believe, yeah,
two nights ago. Who's list in the studio the other day.
But Meek is.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Just like like he's like I used to listen to
me and watch me when he was a battle rapper.
But when he really got rich and made this shit happen,
It's like all right, But that like it's different for
me watching like Wayne.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And hole Man.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't like I
could relate to it. But it's like when I grew
up and me, I've seen them niggas rich already, Like
I seen Meek turn rich coming from the streets and
going through all the shit that he went through and
really like talking about it and preaching like positivity and motivation.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That shit made me feel like I.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Just want to be like that for real, real, Like
that nigga really like helped me grow into the artist
that I am today, for real real because like damn,
like this nigga, Meek, like it's not like he was
an artist and he was like far away, you knowe
what I'm saying, Like I felt like.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I could grasp on to that shit and become that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Like this nigga is a real street nigga that became
the biggest in the world. Like he became the biggest
best rat and he's.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
A rap guy.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Like I love rapping. I'm an mc so I studied
that first and foremost. But just a blueprinter like that nigga,
Like he like he gave you the real blueprint. Like
you get on, you take care of niggas, you do
what you supposed to do. You take care of your family,
your mother, like that nigg used to make me like
I just used to have to just get money to
my mama.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Just like thinking about that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You fee what I'm saying, Like I retire my mom
when I was sixteen years old, bro literally and they
put a lot of pressure on me. I told my
mama stopped working when I was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
She never worked.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Since I'm taking care of her, my aunties, my whole
family since I was sixteen, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I hell, lo the pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But how I was one question I was gonna say,
So now you're the meat meal for a lot of
these younger artists. So what do you show them to
show them that they can do it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
What do you do different?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So because you know you got a lot of kids
watching me, they want.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
To be increble for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for me, it's I just try to like what's
the word, Like you gotta like show them's like like.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What Mek did for real, like show feel tangible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You just gotta showing like Like the thing with me
that I feel like make a difference a lot is
I let people see me in a physical like you
gotta see it, like have conversations.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Like seeing is believing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, you know you could do
this when you could actually get in front of somebody
like me. Growing up, I never seen nobody that I
looked up to, and I wanted to be like in
front of me talking to me. You know what I'm saying,
Like I just had to have a manpower, like I
could do it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm gonna do it. You fee what I'm saying. And
it happened for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And when I got a certain age like nineteen twenty eight,
like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations
with people that I looked up to, But like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
them years really matter whereas like you know what I'm saying,
and I try to be the person where I just
go back and do certain things and go touch the community,
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and you know what I'm saying, tell them that they
could really make it, Like this shit is nothing for real,
but like and I ain't gonna say it's nothing like
it's it's a task.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
For sure, it's hard, but it's easy at the same time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
All you gotta do is wake up and strive to
go get it and want to do it and believe
that you could do it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You just gotta have a vision, you fee what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And when I go look at like these kids and
be going to talk and have conversations, like they got
the same power that I got, Like they really got
something in them. They just don't think it's possible. This
shit is really possible, like they when you wake up
and all you got is this four block radius and
your hood and the shit that you're dealing with every day,
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you think that's your life, but it's like it's so
much outside of that. All you gotta know is how
to break that cycle. And you feel what I'm saying, like,
that's that's the thing with me, Like I feel like
that's what make a difference in why people like believe
in me because I try.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I let him touch me. I let him, you know.
Paul's like, you know what I'm saying. I go see
the people.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm thinking about something now, And you made me think
about it when you said you've been rapping since she
was nineteen, because I can remember like your first friend,
I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews. Right.
But then it started getting me thinking about all of
these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through
come through here the past fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You talk about what's possible.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Man, you are proof that's surviving as possible, and Chief
Keiths proof that's surviving.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Is sure so so definitely know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
People like Dirk that's locked up, people like Bond that's
no longer here, plenty of other artists you probably interview
from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
How does that feel? It feel great?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
You know, And I'm gonna say this again.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I'm gonna shout make out real quick because he just
told me the other day and it's like he told
me this before, but him telling me the other.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Day is just like.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
If a difference, a different feeling to him saying. It's
like he's like, man, want you to chosen one. It's
certain things that just affect you differently, you know what
I'm saying. And I learned that from the streets, Like
I didn't bump my head so many times and did
so much and been arrested in and fell off and
came back or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
It's like when you do certain things, God just punished
you differently because you can't get.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Away with that.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You fee what I'm saying, Like you would think you
would see somebody else doing it, like, oh he did it,
and you can't do that because God got a different
path for you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And like.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Surviving in Chicago, just making it out of the streets
alone is a blessing. Like it's literally like I'd be
seeing some of my homies and certain people that just
like but and I understand that other people don't get it.
Like it's certain people where you just like you just
like wash your hands with everything. I know, certain niggas
that was real menaces in the streets that don't do
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nothing but just be at home with their girl and
their kids now because they just want peace. Like damn,
I made it out this shit. I can't believe I'm
still alive. Like a lot of people never experience life
to that capacity where they're just grateful that they're alive,
that they still here, you knowe what I'm saying. And
it's a lot of people when it comes surviving, you
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gotta you gotta make decisions, and it gotta be calculated,
and it's a lot of people that's just raised off
survival or.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You will do anything.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
It's a difference like when you survive and you just
raised off survival, Like I'm trying to explain that with Like,
it's certain people where if you just like survival is
your first.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Instinct, you will do anything.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You will kill your closest friend, you a snitch, rob
steal from your mama, your grandma, and and you gotta
understand this, like it's just life. It's certain people who
don't know nothing else. They was raised off of survival.
They mother and father raised them off of survivals. So
it's like a lot of people don't understand that, you
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know what I'm saying, It's just me being here today.
I try to, Like I think that's one of the
reasons why, like I probably got took advantage of so
much because I understand both sides of the fence, and
I try to get everybody the benefit.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Of the doubt, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Like I try to, like I try to think about
putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision,
you know what I'm saying. Like I always before I
do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything.
So if I do something to anybody or do anything,
I thought about it. So many times, I'm comfortable with
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how it play out, you know what I'm saying, and
like you like, it's only certain people that think like that,
especially in life and coming from Chicago, you gotta think
about both sides of the fence. It's certain people that
think a lot, and it's certain people that don't think
at all. You feel me and this shit like, it's
a blessing to be for sure, for sure, because I've
seen a lot. I experienced a lot. I've seen a
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lot of death.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago,
like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where
it's like I was a kid and people used to
like a lady walked out. I think I said this
before on a breakfast club interview when I was when
I was in Shorty, Like a lady walked up on me.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm waiting on my mom. She coming from the laundry. Man.
Lady walked up on me, like, you got some C
I'm like m hmm, like what. I'm like what. She's like,
you got some C?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
She asks for crack. I'm like nine years old, I'm
like nineteen. Wait, on my mama to come in the
house like you got some sea. I'm like, what, Yeah,
she asked me if I had cracked, literally a kid
three in the morning, I'm outside because that's now you're selling.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Crack for real, for real, So when did you get some?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's the statute of limitations with this ship for real
crack a statute of limitations for sure. But I always
been one of them kids. It's like.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I just wanted to get money. I knew how to
get money early on, you know what I'm saying. And
I used to do shit to just get fly, like
get fresh and shit, you know what I'm saying. And
I'm blessed that I didn't have to do it for long.
You feel me like I ain't got Like I started
really making money off music at sixteen years old, but
I was outside two for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What the first record you made money off it? What
did the Nicky record right with Chicago?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh? The first record?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I actually like when we started making money, like after
Killshit came out?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, killed Shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was gonna ask what you know? He mentioned Sosa,
He mentioned Vaughan mentioned Dirt.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Have you spoke to Dirt?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I supposed to I supposed to Smirk saw the
dirt probably like a month, a month or two ago.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
How is he doing?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he doing good for sure, like mentally And that's
the thing about Smirk. If you know him, you know
he good like that. Nigga's really a real discipline mentally
strong nigga for real, for real like this shit just
like he just like this is just a part of
his journey. Like he know he coming from under this shit.
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We all know he coming from under this the shit,
you know what I'm saying. But like he's he he
won them type of niggas, like he never gonna lose hisself.
All he doing is praying, talking to his family, like
connecting with God. You know what I'm saying, Like shit
like that, and yeah, Smirk definitely good. I spoke to him.
I sent them like a little snippet of music that
I'm putting out and the music that I like was
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saying his name and shit like that. You feel what
I'm saying, Like smart brother, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Smirked so for little Herd. Right, do you are you
getting personal? Like are we hearing the pain? Because you
have been through a lot, said you lost your friends
and then go the rest of your dad. So you
know what I'm saying, You've been through a lot of shit. Yeah,
So are we getting the personal getting the pain?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Definite? Definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I'm speaking about like everything I feel like I've I
covered a lot in this album. I'm really talking about
a lot, a lot, A lot, a lot, and it
makes me feel good though, you know what I'm saying.
Like it's like rap always been a form of like
therapy for me, you know what I'm saying. So it's
like certain I don't really like when I'm in the studio,
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I just rap, and just like I got to a
point in my life in my career where I don't
think about like how people gonn receive it, like how
the world gonna receive it, how my family gonna receive
it or whatever. I just speak about whatever is on
my mind and go from there. You fee what I'm saying,
And that's how I picked the records. You feel what
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I'm saying, and I don't. I'm saying that to say,
like I don't really realize all the shit I'm talking
about and what I cover until I'm hearing it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Like I'm a.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Speaker, you know what I'm saying, I just go in
the studio and rap and like he had a week later,
two weeks later, like damn, I just said some shit
like like yeah, now for sure that this album is.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you know, artists say this all the time.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I feel like I always feel like this, but like
you would say, like, oh, you're this is one of
my best projects, Like I don't I'm not even gonna
say this is my best project or my best body
of work. I really don't feel like it's my best
body of work. But I just feel like it's my
best era of rap. I feel like I'm rapping better
than I ever rapped before. Like however they receive it
or whoever feel like this project better than this one
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or not, Like I just know for a fact I'm
rapping so good and I gave it my all for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That therapeutic was this album though, in regard to your
grieving process, because I hear you mention your brother a lot,
especially on Give It All? How did that help?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I ain't gonna lie that I've been dealing with DELF
since I was a kid. Bro Like I lost I
started losing friends when I was like fourteen years old,
you know, like, and I'm talking about that. I'm touching
on that my and my album, my project. But you
gotta really like realize I'm thirty years old. I've been
losing people I love for fifteen years and still managing
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to wake up and make it happen and beg herbo
and take pictures and smile for the fans, Like I
really didn't lost some of my best friends and had
to go do a show that same day, you know
what I'm saying, Like my homie Cap died twenty fifteen,
I had to perform in front of ten thousand people.
I just had to find an emmy. A lot of
people can't do that. A lot of people like, man,
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I just lost my homie. Fuck this shit, I'm gonna
go spind like I want to go do the show.
So it's like, I feel like I'm really destined for
this shit. I chose my own destiny, I chose my
own path. And I'm saying that, like for me, they
experience all of that death and feel like I was
numb to it. When my little brother died, it changed
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my life. That was some of the worst pain that
I ever felt in my life.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I could never I never could fathom like and I'm
a street nigga. Like when I wake up, when I
walk out the house, I feel like I'm gonna die,
like you know, like I really feel like that, and
that's what get me home. You feel what I'm saying,
Like every step, every move that I take is calculated.
And I never felt like he was gonna die, you
know what I'm saying, Like, no bullshit. I never ever
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think like him. Hell no, I just I never.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Thought he was going to die.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Every day I wake out, wake up, I really feel
like I'm gonna die. I feel like somebody would do
something to me. And that's just the life I live.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And that's just you still feel like that because I
remember the last day you said you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You said you were going to therapy to help you,
and it helped me with it helped me with it.
But like, nah, hell no.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I'm glad that even going through therapy and and
like growing and healing the way that I've healed in
my life, I'm kind of glad that I never lost
that edge for real, because that's how I protect myself,
That's how I protect my children, that's how I make
sure I get back home. You feel I'm saying like,
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and I'm not out here thuging. I ain't wild, and
I ain't doing no crazy shit. Some days I leave
the house and it just be just me by myself,
no security, nothing, But I'm still on point. I'm still
watching my back, I'm still aware of my surroundings. You
feel I'm saying. So it's like I'm glad that I
never lost that edge for real, for real, And when
like going back to what you know what I'm saying,
what you said, Charla Magne, Like when I when my
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little brother died, I lost myself, Like I became an alcoholic,
like a badass alcoholic. I never used to drink bro
I used to drink a fifth of liquor every single day,
like every day by myself.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
My girl was pregnant when he died, you feel me, like,
and I was like I was trying to like.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Not be that weak around her.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You feel me because she she know I didn't been
through shit, like she didn't been around me, and I
didn't lost homies.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She used to like say shit like snap out of it,
like you feel me like she used to like say it.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But it's like I can't. It was just so hard
for me.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I really couldn't for real, Like I used to have
to leave the house just to go cry, like swear
to God, like just go get in the con just
cry for hours straight because I ain't want to do
that in front of her. And I felt like I
should have. I should have, I should have, but I
was like.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I don't know, I just And when she said snap
out of it, what does she mean, like.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Not snap out of the grief, snap out of the healing,
snap out of the crashing out like drinking, drinking every
day and wanting to go to the club and just
feel something because I really can't.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Feel nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like that was like that's what she used to tell
me to snap out of and it was like it
was hard, man, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Did people in your family try to like blame you because,
you know, for whatever reason, when you're the person that
made it when something bad go happen, they feel like
your success and your money could have kept that person
from being in that situation.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Nah, not really for real, for real, Like honestly, they didn't.
And that was like the the biggest blessing. Nobody ever
blamed me for real, real, And I had a conversation
with my grandma and I said this when I did
the This Ship with Shannon Sharp, I just did an
interview with him. And I had a conversation with my
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grandma and she made me like she It was one
of the conversations that made me snap out of drinking
and crashing out because she like, man, I already lost him.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm not finna lose you to this shit. You feel
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And she didn't blame me, but like it was like
my little brother was real, like good nigga, a solid nigga.
And I know for a fact he got killed because
somebody wanted to hurt me. For sure, it wasn't my fault.
But she like, you gotta do it the right way,
like if you felsh Like no, everybody we grieve and
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we all going through the same shit, but you can't
grieve like that, like you gotta go make it like
you gotta make this shit happen for him, because it's
like he not finna die vain, you feel me like
that was the conversation that she held me, and that
shit just turned me up and one of the last
conversations I sort of got. My brother died at eleven
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am or some shit. We was texting at four or
five in the morning. My last conversation with him was
just like, Bro, I don't want to do nothing to
see you win, Like I ain't never ask you for nothing,
like he never really asked me for no money. Everything
I ever gave him, everything we ever did was just
like a bonus like that. Nigga never asked me for
no money ever. He never asked me like give me this,
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buy me this, put me on, do this, do that,
And he been with me every step of the way.
You feel me, he just enjoyed the fruit of my label.
That Nigga literally never asked me for no money ever
in life. And our last conversation was, Bro, I just
want to see you win, like I just want you
to do this shit.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And we was.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Talking back and forth, and I saw to God the
next morning that Nigga died.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So so were you blaming yourself That's why you was
trying to escape?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure, I was definitely blaming myself because I
just felt like and I used to have these conversations
with him, like I used to really tell him. And
that's the reason why I had to go back and
think and reflect because I used to tell that nigga.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Like, bro, move to La, like he got kids, just
like I got kids.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
I used to really tell that nigga, like, man, go
back and take care of them every now and then,
or do whatever you need to do. Send that shit
like Bro, just come with me, please, Like I used
to have that conversation with him, like Bro, just come
to La, move to La, like please just come out here.
You feel what I'm saying because I know what that
shit like, Bro, Like you feel what I'm saying Like
I used to. I used to talk to that nigga
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and be like, Bro, just stop going back for real,
for real, because I'm thinking about that shit like he
he my brother was in the streets, but I feel
like he was just naive to the fact like he
really like like I said, like I used to leave
out the house and feel like I'm gonna die every day.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He didn't have that man set. He didn't think like that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You feel me, I used to think like that, and
it's scammy, Like I hate to see somebody I love
walking like man, this nigga could die like you feel
what I'm saying, And I was blaming myself in a
way because I just felt like I should have, well
I could have. I ain't gonna say I should have,
Like I felt like I could have just like changed
everybody in life by force.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You can't feel like you could save everybody, you know
what I'm saying. And I stopped blaming myself when I
just realized that, like I realized, like you, like it
was nothing I could do for real, like I used
to really I used to think, like that's why I
was so fucked up, because I felt like even me
being g Herbo, being an artist, being a star, I
wish I was really with him when that shit happened,
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because it wouldn't have happened like that, Like I would
have put my life on the line. I would have
put everything on the line one thousand percent, like the scenario.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
On how he died.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I feel like if I was you can't feel like that,
like cause you know you're thinking about every.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Scenario like I'm thinking, like if it was me in there,
like it probably wouldn't have happened like that. I would
have did this this way.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
But you don't know like, you know what I'm saying
God is that like he's he is the person who
control your destiny and say, how like shit happened. But
I'm thinking about that, and it's like I really used
to like really wish I was with him, Like I
just really felt like I wish Like still to this day,
I really wish I just would have been there, like
because I feel like it wouldn't have happened that way.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
But how do you stop yourself haashing out right? Like
we've seen it with Gilly and the Bad. One of
the worst things about the internet is the internet to
make you you you lose yourself right here. They'll trick
you into taking you off the street.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
How did you say?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know what, I'm just gonna stay focused and grieve
my brother, but still focus on my family.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, because a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Of times people are like, now, I gotta get my
I gotta get my get back, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that, and it put you in So.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
We're talking about like what I what I said on
the interview I just did with Gilly.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Naturally, it's like every action deserves a reaction, and I
come from a place where it's like you gotta react
like certain shit you do, Like even if you like
some shit might happen to you today and you make
it home when you get in the house, you're thinking
about what the people gonna say, like what the.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hood gonna say when I come back, I gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You feel what I'm saying, and I want them niggas
like me personally, if I go to sleep, like with
it on my mind, like if I'm thinking about it
all day, I'm gonna have.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To do something like for real, for real, Like if that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Shit stay on my brain and I think about it
three times, full times, five times, that's what I feel
like it is eligible for me to not crash out
but react because I'm never gonna crash out because if
I was. I feel like the definition of when people
say like crash out is when you react right then
off emotion.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's a crash out.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You feel what I'm saying, Like whatever I do to you,
if I didn't thought about this shit and calculating my
steps and whatever consequences happened behind that, that's not a
crash out because.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm a choice. I'm okay with what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You fee what I'm saying like and for me, like
how I stop myself from doing that? Is like certain
shit is not worth it. Like I know for sure,
I know my power, I know what I could do,
you know what I'm saying. It's like certain shit is
just like I'm automatically like not a person that like confrontation.
I hate confrontation because I only know how to deal
with it one of two ways. Somebody gotta fight or
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die or something, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
only know how to approach it that way. Like I'm
not a person that could have a two hour long
conversation about something and get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's just not me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So I avoid it every chance I could get, you
feel I'm saying. So it's like, just you gotta know yourself.
You gotta know like you you gotta know when people
say things or try to push your buttons and just.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Let them have it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Like I don't care about nobody saying I'm a pump
or nobody saying.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm a bitch or none of that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And I used to for sure you feel what I'm saying,
But it's like at this point, I just think about
my kids, like literally, That's the main reason why I
don't do crazy shit because I think about my kids.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's like, my kids don't understand what I got going on.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know what I'm saying, My kids don't understand if
I end up in jailing them be like, what the
fuck how my daddy go?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And I know what put me in jail, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Like, I know what got me there, I know what
I did, But a lot of times people don't explain
that to their kids, you feel what I'm saying, And
being a father, like you gotta be transparent as with
your kids, like with like that, Like if you make
a crazy decision or life changing decision, you got to
explain that to your kids for real, for real, so
they don't make the decision, so they understand why my
dad and not coming home all that type of shit.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So I just
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every day waiting Breakfast Club finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody is the j n V. Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
We got a special guest in the building, Yes, sir,
got Gerbo. Welcome and congratulations man the number one record
a couple of weeks ago, grass Man.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm glad to be here.
How a feeld number one record? I feel good. I'm
not gonna lie. I feel great. It feel great.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'll just be trying to like stay in the moment
real just just keep it like up, you know, like
when you where you got those type of moments you
just trying to figure out like all right, well I
me personally, like.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I gotta figure out what's the next best thing, Like
what do I do next? From that?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Like I try to live in a moment and grasp
up that energy. But just keep it going. You're not
trying to catch another number one.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm just trying to keep it going.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Did you expect that to be the record because it's
not your typical course, Well, it was just you just spitting.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Nah, Hell Noah, for sure. I was just literally, I
can't say it enough. It was just me just having
fun in the studio. I was in New York and
was in the studio me south Side Smack and you
know south Side Like I really, I'd be having to
give a lot of credit to Big Bro because he
want the only people that could tell me like, rap
on this, just rap on this and figure it out
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like just rap And that's what I did and that
that should changed my life?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Who picked it as a single? Like was it just
I'm just gonna release and see what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And it just took over. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's why I like, as artists, you gotta like really
just bet on yourself for real, for real. Because I
was in the in a mold of just trying to
do music and see what the streets connected to.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I didn't even like that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Song came out and December on my app. I got
an app on my own app, like where I just
put out music material content. All this is just for
the people who really support me. Like you know what
I'm saying, my fans, theyn't know about the g app.
I put it out on my app on a project
that I was just recording.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
All samples too, Like I did a project with all.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Samples and it couldn't even go on Apple Music.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It couldn't go on DSPs. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like I put it out on the app in December,
and the label put it out on DSPs in like
March April. So it's like you gotta just trash it
and just see what the streets fuck with gra app.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Has it changed the bag? Has that single changed your bag?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Because see I'll be thinking that. You know a lot
of people be fronting on like the power of radio
and having a big radio record.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Speak to that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Man for sure, And you gotta put money in radio though,
like you gotta, like you know what I'm saying, what
you put in it, come out, We'll go out on
the wash, come out on the wrist.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Whatever they're saying is you know what I'm saying. So like.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I've always been like I knew because I've been independent
this whole time, So I know about like analytics, I
know about like residuals, I know what, Like one record
can really change your life, you know what I'm saying, Like,
and I finally caught that record that like that life
changing records.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So yeah, the bag been.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Crazy and the royalties from radio are better than the screaming.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And it's like once you once you get a song
that really go radio.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's like it's just like it just changed everything for real.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Change the places you actually perform at for sure, Right
exactly like you could put you could put you put
money in radio for sure for what to do what
it's supposed to do. But just like even like it's
a difference between like putting something in radio for just
get on the radio for shit to get like rhythmic
play playlists, you know what I'm saying, Like all of that,
it's just a big super difference.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like I'll be talking to like Make all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's just like once you get a record, Like I'm
not even talking about what legit Like there's certain records
that like the format where you know it could go radio,
you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like every
artist all you need is like one radio record a year,
just one.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like you feel I'm saying, it ain't that easy to
get one. It's not easy at all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But like you know, hit Maker, that's my big brother,
Like he the god of this ship, like you fee
what I'm saying, Like he know the whole formula he
do it like and that's why he's so rich, like
that Nigga richest shit because he on radio every year
at least.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Point it out right for sure. Willow Herb Willer Herb.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I was just trying to like tap into like that
old hunger, like my old self. And when I be
rapping good and shit, like I be reading comments and shit,
sometimes my fans be like, oh that ain't they Ain't
you heard what? That's little herd, you know what I'm saying.
Like I feel like that was like one of my
best errors of rap. Like I always been able to rap.
I'm an EMC, so it's like I don't care if
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I'm not even all the way tapped into like my
confidence and all of that shit. I'm always gonna be
able to rap good, you feel me, But like once
you really focus on straight rap, it's different.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's what I was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So that's why I went and like name my album
or Herb, like I was going up like listening to
old interviews, listen to old music videos. I mean, watch
old music videos, listen to old songs and shit like that,
and like I was just trying to find like a
higher level of rap for myself, you know what I'm saying.
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And I say this all the time, like you could
really get caught up in what's in front of you,
Like always been the type of person Like I say
this a lot a lot of rooms that I was in.
I wasn't really in the rooms, you know what I'm saying,
because I'm thinking about like my past. I'm thinking about
what I gotta do when I get out the room.
Like I'm just saying what's up, Like there's certain conversations
(05:45):
that I really couldn't have because my mind is all
over the place. You feel me, Like so like in
this like era where I am mentally, I was just
trying to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Like find that old hunger that made me enjoy what
I have now, you know what I'm saying, Like like.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
That's that's why I really named my project Little Herb,
because like you were like on the day to day,
I'm thirty years old. I've been rapping since I was
like sixteen for real, for real, Like you feel me,
and I was trying to figure out like damn, like
it's like all the steps to that it took me
to get here. You feel what I'm saying, Like I
forgot a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm not gonna lie. It's a lot of shit that
I did that I forgot.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So it's like I wanted to make myself remember, so
I had to like go back in and like tap
in with my old self for real.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I heard you say a little herb is a full
circle moment and it's a return to the fundamentals. But
you closing the chapter on the little herb area, what
what is closing that chapter actually look like?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Closing that chapter is like for real, just letting go.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Like it's a lot of shit that I held on
to that I just don't need no more.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like for real, for real, like the street.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Therapy talk right there, just.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Letting go for real real, and it is. It is
definitely therapy that helped me. It's like a lot of
that you hold on to you just like just let
it go, just let it go and just let.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It find you.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know what I'm saying, Like, no, for real, Like
I was one of the people that just like my
heart is so big, and I feel like people knew that,
Like people knew that, Like they grab me and I'm
grabbing them back. You fee what I'm saying, Like I'm
holding on to that type of shit. It's like that's
just letting that chapter go, like I should like and
(07:26):
people been saying this to me for years and I've
been knowing it, but I never really acted on it.
Like I shouldn't focus on nothing but music and my
family and like God, like that's the only thing that
I should wake up and care about.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I shouldn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
About how somebody else eat or how somebody else get
the work or get the sleep or any of that shit,
and not worried about that for years. Like let's be
closing that chapter, like I'm gonna tap into this, tell
my story and just let go for let go and
let God for real for and that go for everything
and everybody. And it's a whole other chapter opening for
me because everything that got me here, I don't I
(08:03):
don't even really have it no more, for real real,
like all my friends dead. I'm finna be a real,
one hundred percent independent artist, Like I don't got no label,
no production company. I'm one hundred percent a real new
person and a new artist.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So it's like I just.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Want to just tap into this shit, do what I
need to do, and I'm already doing it for real,
but just like letting go for real, like I don't.
I don't want to have no attachments other than family,
No bullshit.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
How did you balance revisiting like those old traumas with
the grown man you are now like you're thirty, So
you did your whole new level of life. You don't
shift to the fad shot that kid, nineteen year old kid?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
No more?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
My homie, my one of my best friends, he used
to say this shit like he only probably like eight
months older than me.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He like, bro, once you touch thirty, you just gonna start.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think he's He used to tell me like, I
can't wait you turn thirty, like he turned thirty. He like,
I can't wait till you turn thirty because it's just
like it's like a light switch.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Like shit, just you know what I'm saying, just tap in.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
For you and it's for me for real, like I promise, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I don't be wanting to sound like cliche or corny
and none of this type of shit. But like my
girl is like my toughest critic, Like she wanted people
who really just like stay on me, like she tell
me a lot of shit that I know and I
don't act on you know what I'm saying, which is
coming to like my business, niggas around me. You feel
(09:33):
what I'm saying, like all of that you feel me
like and like to kind of like tap into the
what you were saying. The question is like you just
gotta you just gotta really like just go with your gut,
your intuition. You fee what I'm saying. Like a lot
of times niggas question theyself and feel like all right,
but you know you might know the answer, you might
know right from wrong and not do it because you
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question it has going to like affect other people. You
feel what I'm saying, And I'm one of them type
of people, but like I'm one of them type of
people that think about how it's going to affect other people.
And like I was saying that, like because my girl
she like she don't give a fuck, like she don't care, and.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
You need that, like you need it because like I really.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Got to stop caring for real for real, Like I
feel like I care too much and I like done
certain shit or not done certain things because I'm figuring,
I'm feeling like it's going to affect people in a
negative way or whatever way it is.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's like if you got a good heart, if you
just lead with what is right for you, like it'll
work out for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now you talk about Meek Mill changing your life, right, yeah,
he was your inspiration. Yah, break that down to what
you've seen in milk, that meat that made you think
that you can do it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Literally, I've just got done listening to We're Gonna Get
this money right now on my way here.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Like, Meek is my.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Favorite rapper for real, Bro, It's my big brother. And
I was just with Meek last night. We just did
a song last night.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We was in the studio last night, I believe, yeah,
two nights ago. Who's list in the studio the other day.
But Meek is.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Just like like he's like I used to listen to
me and watch me when he was a battle rapper.
But when he really got rich and made this shit happen,
It's like all right, But that like it's different for
me watching like Wayne.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And hole Man.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't like I
could relate to it. But it's like when I grew
up and me, I've seen them niggas rich already, Like
I seen Meek turn rich coming from the streets and
going through all the shit that he went through and
really like talking about it and preaching like positivity and motivation.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That shit made me feel like I.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Just want to be like that for real, real, Like
that nigga really like helped me grow into the artist
that I am today, for real real because like damn,
like this nigga, Meek, like it's not like he was
an artist and he was like far away, you knowe
what I'm saying, Like I felt like.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I could grasp on to that shit and become that.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Like this nigga is a real street nigga that became
the biggest in the world. Like he became the biggest
best rat and he's.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
A rap guy.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Like I love rapping. I'm an mc so I studied
that first and foremost. But just a blueprinter like that nigga,
Like he like he gave you the real blueprint. Like
you get on, you take care of niggas, you do
what you supposed to do. You take care of your family,
your mother, like that nigg used to make me like
I just used to have to just get money to
my mama.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Just like thinking about that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
You fee what I'm saying, Like I retire my mom
when I was sixteen years old, bro literally and they
put a lot of pressure on me. I told my
mama stopped working when I was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
She never worked.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Since I'm taking care of her, my aunties, my whole
family since I was sixteen, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I hell, lo the pressure, a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
But how I was one question I was gonna say,
So now you're the meat meal for a lot of
these younger artists. So what do you show them to
show them that they can do it?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
What do you do different?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So because you know you got a lot of kids
watching me, they want.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
To be increble for sure.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like for me, it's I just try to like what's
the word, Like you gotta like show them's like like.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What Mek did for real, like show feel tangible.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You just gotta showing like Like the thing with me
that I feel like make a difference a lot is
I let people see me in a physical like you
gotta see it, like have conversations.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Like seeing is believing.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, you know you could do
this when you could actually get in front of somebody
like me. Growing up, I never seen nobody that I
looked up to, and I wanted to be like in
front of me talking to me. You know what I'm saying,
Like I just had to have a manpower, like I
could do it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm gonna do it. You fee what I'm saying. And
it happened for me.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And when I got a certain age like nineteen twenty eight,
like those ages when I started traveling and having conversations
with people that I looked up to, But like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
them years really matter whereas like you know what I'm saying,
and I try to be the person where I just
go back and do certain things and go touch the community,
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and you know what I'm saying, tell them that they
could really make it, Like this shit is nothing for real,
but like and I ain't gonna say it's nothing like
it's it's a task.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
For sure, it's hard, but it's easy at the same time.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
All you gotta do is wake up and strive to
go get it and want to do it and believe
that you could do it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You just gotta have a vision, you fee what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
And when I go look at like these kids and
be going to talk and have conversations, like they got
the same power that I got, Like they really got
something in them. They just don't think it's possible. This
shit is really possible, like they when you wake up
and all you got is this four block radius and
your hood and the shit that you're dealing with every day,
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you think that's your life, but it's like it's so
much outside of that. All you gotta know is how
to break that cycle. And you feel what I'm saying, like,
that's that's the thing with me, Like I feel like
that's what make a difference in why people like believe
in me because I try.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I let him touch me. I let him, you know.
Paul's like, you know what I'm saying. I go see
the people.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm thinking about something now, And you made me think
about it when you said you've been rapping since she
was nineteen, because I can remember like your first friend,
I can remember your first early breakfast club interviews. Right.
But then it started getting me thinking about all of
these artists we've seen from Chicago that have come through
come through here the past fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You talk about what's possible.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Man, you are proof that's surviving as possible, and Chief
Keiths proof that's surviving.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Is sure so so definitely know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
People like Dirk that's locked up, people like Bond that's
no longer here, plenty of other artists you probably interview
from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
How does that feel? It feel great?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Man?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
You know, And I'm gonna say this again.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I'm gonna shout make out real quick because he just
told me the other day and it's like he told
me this before, but him telling me the other.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Day is just like.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
If a difference, a different feeling to him saying. It's
like he's like, man, want you to chosen one. It's
certain things that just affect you differently, you know what
I'm saying. And I learned that from the streets, Like
I didn't bump my head so many times and did
so much and been arrested in and fell off and
came back or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
It's like when you do certain things, God just punished
you differently because you can't get.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Away with that.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
You fee what I'm saying, Like you would think you
would see somebody else doing it, like, oh he did it,
and you can't do that because God got a different
path for you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And like.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Surviving in Chicago, just making it out of the streets
alone is a blessing. Like it's literally like I'd be
seeing some of my homies and certain people that just
like but and I understand that other people don't get it.
Like it's certain people where you just like you just
like wash your hands with everything. I know, certain niggas
that was real menaces in the streets that don't do
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nothing but just be at home with their girl and
their kids now because they just want peace. Like damn,
I made it out this shit. I can't believe I'm
still alive. Like a lot of people never experience life
to that capacity where they're just grateful that they're alive,
that they still here, you knowe what I'm saying. And
it's a lot of people when it comes surviving, you
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gotta you gotta make decisions, and it gotta be calculated,
and it's a lot of people that's just raised off
survival or.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
You will do anything.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
It's a difference like when you survive and you just
raised off survival, Like I'm trying to explain that with Like,
it's certain people where if you just like survival is
your first.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Instinct, you will do anything.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You will kill your closest friend, you a snitch, rob
steal from your mama, your grandma, and and you gotta
understand this, like it's just life. It's certain people who
don't know nothing else. They was raised off of survival.
They mother and father raised them off of survivals. So
it's like a lot of people don't understand that, you
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know what I'm saying, It's just me being here today.
I try to, Like I think that's one of the
reasons why, like I probably got took advantage of so
much because I understand both sides of the fence, and
I try to get everybody the benefit.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Of the doubt, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Like I try to, like I try to think about
putting myself in other people's shoes before I make a decision,
you know what I'm saying. Like I always before I
do anything, I always think about the consequences, repercussions, everything.
So if I do something to anybody or do anything,
I thought about it. So many times, I'm comfortable with
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how it play out, you know what I'm saying, and
like you like, it's only certain people that think like that,
especially in life and coming from Chicago, you gotta think
about both sides of the fence. It's certain people that
think a lot, and it's certain people that don't think
at all. You feel me and this shit like, it's
a blessing to be for sure, for sure, because I've
seen a lot. I experienced a lot. I've seen a
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lot of death.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I just come from one of the toughest neighborhoods in Chicago,
like one of the most poverty struck in neighborhoods where
it's like I was a kid and people used to
like a lady walked out. I think I said this
before on a breakfast club interview when I was when
I was in Shorty, Like a lady walked up on me.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm waiting on my mom. She coming from the laundry. Man.
Lady walked up on me, like, you got some C
I'm like m hmm, like what. I'm like what. She's like,
you got some C?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
She asks for crack. I'm like nine years old, I'm
like nineteen. Wait, on my mama to come in the
house like you got some sea. I'm like, what, Yeah,
she asked me if I had cracked, literally a kid
three in the morning, I'm outside because that's now you're selling.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Crack for real, for real, So when did you get some?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's the statute of limitations with this ship for real
crack a statute of limitations for sure. But I always
been one of them kids. It's like.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I just wanted to get money. I knew how to
get money early on, you know what I'm saying. And
I used to do shit to just get fly, like
get fresh and shit, you know what I'm saying. And
I'm blessed that I didn't have to do it for long.
You feel me like I ain't got Like I started
really making money off music at sixteen years old, but
I was outside two for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What the first record you made money off it? What
did the Nicky record right with Chicago?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh? The first record?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I actually like when we started making money, like after
Killshit came out?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, killed Shit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I was gonna ask what you know? He mentioned Sosa,
He mentioned Vaughan mentioned Dirt.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Have you spoke to Dirt?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, I supposed to I supposed to Smirk saw the
dirt probably like a month, a month or two ago.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
How is he doing?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he doing good for sure, like mentally And that's
the thing about Smirk. If you know him, you know
he good like that. Nigga's really a real discipline mentally
strong nigga for real, for real like this shit just
like he just like this is just a part of
his journey. Like he know he coming from under this shit.
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We all know he coming from under this the shit,
you know what I'm saying. But like he's he he
won them type of niggas, like he never gonna lose hisself.
All he doing is praying, talking to his family, like
connecting with God. You know what I'm saying, Like shit
like that, and yeah, Smirk definitely good. I spoke to him.
I sent them like a little snippet of music that
I'm putting out and the music that I like was
(21:37):
saying his name and shit like that. You feel what
I'm saying, Like smart brother, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Smirked so for little Herd. Right, do you are you
getting personal? Like are we hearing the pain? Because you
have been through a lot, said you lost your friends
and then go the rest of your dad. So you
know what I'm saying, You've been through a lot of shit. Yeah,
So are we getting the personal getting the pain?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Definite? Definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I'm speaking about like everything I feel like I've I
covered a lot in this album. I'm really talking about
a lot, a lot, A lot, a lot, and it
makes me feel good though, you know what I'm saying.
Like it's like rap always been a form of like
therapy for me, you know what I'm saying. So it's
like certain I don't really like when I'm in the studio,
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I just rap, and just like I got to a
point in my life in my career where I don't
think about like how people gonn receive it, like how
the world gonna receive it, how my family gonna receive
it or whatever. I just speak about whatever is on
my mind and go from there. You fee what I'm saying,
And that's how I picked the records. You feel what
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I'm saying, and I don't. I'm saying that to say,
like I don't really realize all the shit I'm talking
about and what I cover until I'm hearing it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Like I'm a.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Speaker, you know what I'm saying, I just go in
the studio and rap and like he had a week later,
two weeks later, like damn, I just said some shit
like like yeah, now for sure that this album is.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you know, artists say this all the time.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I feel like I always feel like this, but like
you would say, like, oh, you're this is one of
my best projects, Like I don't I'm not even gonna
say this is my best project or my best body
of work. I really don't feel like it's my best
body of work. But I just feel like it's my
best era of rap. I feel like I'm rapping better
than I ever rapped before. Like however they receive it
or whoever feel like this project better than this one
(23:27):
or not, Like I just know for a fact I'm
rapping so good and I gave it my all for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That therapeutic was this album though, in regard to your
grieving process, because I hear you mention your brother a lot,
especially on Give It All? How did that help?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I ain't gonna lie that I've been dealing with DELF
since I was a kid. Bro Like I lost I
started losing friends when I was like fourteen years old,
you know, like, and I'm talking about that. I'm touching
on that my and my album, my project. But you
gotta really like realize I'm thirty years old. I've been
losing people I love for fifteen years and still managing
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to wake up and make it happen and beg herbo
and take pictures and smile for the fans, Like I
really didn't lost some of my best friends and had
to go do a show that same day, you know
what I'm saying, Like my homie Cap died twenty fifteen,
I had to perform in front of ten thousand people.
I just had to find an emmy. A lot of
people can't do that. A lot of people like, man,
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I just lost my homie. Fuck this shit, I'm gonna
go spind like I want to go do the show.
So it's like, I feel like I'm really destined for
this shit. I chose my own destiny, I chose my
own path. And I'm saying that, like for me, they
experience all of that death and feel like I was
numb to it. When my little brother died, it changed
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my life. That was some of the worst pain that
I ever felt in my life.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I could never I never could fathom like and I'm
a street nigga. Like when I wake up, when I
walk out the house, I feel like I'm gonna die,
like you know, like I really feel like that, and
that's what get me home. You feel what I'm saying,
Like every step, every move that I take is calculated.
And I never felt like he was gonna die, you
know what I'm saying, Like, no bullshit. I never ever
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think like him. Hell no, I just I never.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Thought he was going to die.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Every day I wake out, wake up, I really feel
like I'm gonna die. I feel like somebody would do
something to me. And that's just the life I live.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And that's just you still feel like that because I
remember the last day you said you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You said you were going to therapy to help you,
and it helped me with it helped me with it.
But like, nah, hell no.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
And I'm glad that even going through therapy and and
like growing and healing the way that I've healed in
my life, I'm kind of glad that I never lost
that edge for real, because that's how I protect myself,
That's how I protect my children, that's how I make
sure I get back home. You feel I'm saying like,
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and I'm not out here thuging. I ain't wild, and
I ain't doing no crazy shit. Some days I leave
the house and it just be just me by myself,
no security, nothing, But I'm still on point. I'm still
watching my back, I'm still aware of my surroundings. You
feel I'm saying. So it's like I'm glad that I
never lost that edge for real, for real, And when
like going back to what you know what I'm saying,
what you said, Charla Magne, Like when I when my
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little brother died, I lost myself, Like I became an alcoholic,
like a badass alcoholic. I never used to drink bro
I used to drink a fifth of liquor every single day,
like every day by myself.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
My girl was pregnant when he died, you feel me, like,
and I was like I was trying to like.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Not be that weak around her.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You feel me because she she know I didn't been
through shit, like she didn't been around me, and I
didn't lost homies.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, and.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She used to like say shit like snap out of it,
like you feel me like she used to like say it.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
But it's like I can't. It was just so hard
for me.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I really couldn't for real, Like I used to have
to leave the house just to go cry, like swear
to God, like just go get in the con just
cry for hours straight because I ain't want to do
that in front of her. And I felt like I
should have. I should have, I should have, but I
was like.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
I don't know, I just And when she said snap
out of it, what does she mean, like.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Not snap out of the grief, snap out of the healing,
snap out of the crashing out like drinking, drinking every
day and wanting to go to the club and just
feel something because I really can't.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Feel nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like that was like that's what she used to tell
me to snap out of and it was like it
was hard, man, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Did people in your family try to like blame you because,
you know, for whatever reason, when you're the person that
made it when something bad go happen, they feel like
your success and your money could have kept that person
from being in that situation.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Nah, not really for real, for real, Like honestly, they didn't.
And that was like the the biggest blessing. Nobody ever
blamed me for real, real, And I had a conversation
with my grandma and I said this when I did
the This Ship with Shannon Sharp, I just did an
interview with him. And I had a conversation with my
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grandma and she made me like she It was one
of the conversations that made me snap out of drinking
and crashing out because she like, man, I already lost him.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I'm not finna lose you to this shit. You feel
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And she didn't blame me, but like it was like
my little brother was real, like good nigga, a solid nigga.
And I know for a fact he got killed because
somebody wanted to hurt me. For sure, it wasn't my fault.
But she like, you gotta do it the right way,
like if you felsh Like no, everybody we grieve and
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we all going through the same shit, but you can't
grieve like that, like you gotta go make it like
you gotta make this shit happen for him, because it's
like he not finna die vain, you feel me like
that was the conversation that she held me, and that
shit just turned me up and one of the last
conversations I sort of got. My brother died at eleven
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am or some shit. We was texting at four or
five in the morning. My last conversation with him was
just like, Bro, I don't want to do nothing to
see you win, Like I ain't never ask you for nothing,
like he never really asked me for no money. Everything
I ever gave him, everything we ever did was just
like a bonus like that. Nigga never asked me for
no money ever. He never asked me like give me this,
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buy me this, put me on, do this, do that,
And he been with me every step of the way.
You feel me, he just enjoyed the fruit of my label.
That Nigga literally never asked me for no money ever
in life. And our last conversation was, Bro, I just
want to see you win, like I just want you
to do this shit.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And we was.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Talking back and forth, and I saw to God the
next morning that Nigga died.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So so were you blaming yourself That's why you was
trying to escape?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure, I was definitely blaming myself because I
just felt like and I used to have these conversations
with him, like I used to really tell him. And
that's the reason why I had to go back and
think and reflect because I used to tell that nigga.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Like, bro, move to La, like he got kids, just
like I got kids.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
I used to really tell that nigga, like, man, go
back and take care of them every now and then,
or do whatever you need to do. Send that shit
like Bro, just come with me, please, Like I used
to have that conversation with him, like Bro, just come
to La, move to La, like please just come out here.
You feel what I'm saying because I know what that
shit like, Bro, Like you feel what I'm saying Like
I used to. I used to talk to that nigga
(30:37):
and be like, Bro, just stop going back for real,
for real, because I'm thinking about that shit like he
he my brother was in the streets, but I feel
like he was just naive to the fact like he
really like like I said, like I used to leave
out the house and feel like I'm gonna die every day.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He didn't have that man set. He didn't think like that.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
You feel me, I used to think like that, and
it's scammy, Like I hate to see somebody I love
walking like man, this nigga could die like you feel
what I'm saying, And I was blaming myself in a
way because I just felt like I should have, well
I could have. I ain't gonna say I should have,
Like I felt like I could have just like changed
everybody in life by force.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You can't feel like you could save everybody, you know
what I'm saying. And I stopped blaming myself when I
just realized that, like I realized, like you, like it
was nothing I could do for real, like I used
to really I used to think, like that's why I
was so fucked up, because I felt like even me
being g Herbo, being an artist, being a star, I
wish I was really with him when that shit happened,
(31:37):
because it wouldn't have happened like that, Like I would
have put my life on the line. I would have
put everything on the line one thousand percent, like the scenario.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
On how he died.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I feel like if I was you can't feel like that,
like cause you know you're thinking about every.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Scenario like I'm thinking, like if it was me in there,
like it probably wouldn't have happened like that. I would
have did this this way.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
But you don't know like, you know what I'm saying
God is that like he's he is the person who
control your destiny and say, how like shit happened. But
I'm thinking about that, and it's like I really used
to like really wish I was with him, Like I
just really felt like I wish Like still to this day,
I really wish I just would have been there, like
because I feel like it wouldn't have happened that way.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
But how do you stop yourself haashing out right? Like
we've seen it with Gilly and the Bad. One of
the worst things about the internet is the internet to
make you you you lose yourself right here. They'll trick
you into taking you off the street.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
How did you say?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know what, I'm just gonna stay focused and grieve
my brother, but still focus on my family.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, because a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Of times people are like, now, I gotta get my
I gotta get my get back, I gotta do this,
I gotta do that, and it put you in So.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
We're talking about like what I what I said on
the interview I just did with Gilly.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Naturally, it's like every action deserves a reaction, and I
come from a place where it's like you gotta react
like certain shit you do, Like even if you like
some shit might happen to you today and you make
it home when you get in the house, you're thinking
about what the people gonna say, like what the.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hood gonna say when I come back, I gotta do something.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You feel what I'm saying, and I want them niggas
like me personally, if I go to sleep, like with
it on my mind, like if I'm thinking about it
all day, I'm gonna have.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
To do something like for real, for real, Like if that.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Shit stay on my brain and I think about it
three times, full times, five times, that's what I feel
like it is eligible for me to not crash out
but react because I'm never gonna crash out because if
I was. I feel like the definition of when people
say like crash out is when you react right then
off emotion.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's a crash out.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You feel what I'm saying, Like whatever I do to you,
if I didn't thought about this shit and calculating my
steps and whatever consequences happened behind that, that's not a
crash out because.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm a choice. I'm okay with what happens.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You fee what I'm saying like and for me, like
how I stop myself from doing that? Is like certain
shit is not worth it. Like I know for sure,
I know my power, I know what I could do,
you know what I'm saying. It's like certain shit is
just like I'm automatically like not a person that like confrontation.
I hate confrontation because I only know how to deal
with it one of two ways. Somebody gotta fight or
(34:14):
die or something, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
only know how to approach it that way. Like I'm
not a person that could have a two hour long
conversation about something and get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
That's just not me.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So I avoid it every chance I could get, you
feel I'm saying. So it's like, just you gotta know yourself.
You gotta know like you you gotta know when people
say things or try to push your buttons and just.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Let them have it.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Like I don't care about nobody saying I'm a pump
or nobody saying.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm a bitch or none of that type of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And I used to for sure you feel what I'm saying,
But it's like at this point, I just think about
my kids, like literally, That's the main reason why I
don't do crazy shit because I think about my kids.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's like, my kids don't understand what I got going on.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You know what I'm saying, My kids don't understand if
I end up in jailing them be like, what the
fuck how my daddy go?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And I know what put me in jail, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Like, I know what got me there, I know what
I did, But a lot of times people don't explain
that to their kids, you feel what I'm saying, And
being a father, like you gotta be transparent as with
your kids, like with like that, Like if you make
a crazy decision or life changing decision, you got to
explain that to your kids for real, for real, so
they don't make the decision, so they understand why my
dad and not coming home all that type of shit.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So I just
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