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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's teen j n V Jess hilarious,
charlamage the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest
in the building. Indeed, got the brother Hill harp.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, good, good, good, good to be here. Man, this
this is a new studio to me. This is beautiful.
I haven't been in this this studio a.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Year and a half.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, year and a half. Yeah, it'd be two years
in like January.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Maybe they gotta pull pull out couch.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Maybe I could just.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Exactly. It's very nice.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You got a bigger things to be doing, man, Yeah,
Senate in Michigan. Run for US Senate in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We're gonna we got this primary August sixth, which is
a huge deal. Man. It's about turnout. We it's a
huge challenge to get communities out because so many of
our people don't even know what a primary is.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
People come up, man, I'm vote for you in November.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm gonna vote for you, and comlin, no, I'm gonna
do this. I'm gonna do that. And I'm like dog,
if you don't vote for me August six I won't
be on the ballot in November. And in many ways
I blame the Democratic Party for that. They show up
with tens of millions of dollars in October saying save
the country. Come on, come on, y'all, turn out, But
they want to place their establishment candidates in the primary,
(01:18):
so they want low turnout in the primary, so they're
doing no GOTV work. So my campaign literally has to
try to educate folks, this is why you need to vote.
The primary is actually more important than the general because
if you can't get the right candidates on the ballot
in the general election, then you have a very limited choice.
And therefore people keep saying, man, nothing changes.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Do you think that the Democratic Party wipe their ass
with democracy by not having a primary to properly appoint
a new top of the ticket for president?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I don't know about that. I don't know
because the time is so tight. You know, you're talking
about less than one hundred days, so you know, it's
almost that thing you kind of got to get in
line and get organized. And you know, it's something I
say all the time about many many of us that
are you know, more progressive. I say, man, we can
agree on nine things disagree on one and people are like,
(02:08):
I can't work with them. And then you know the
other side, they can disagree on nine, agree on one
and go storm the Capitol together. So so I think
that that, you know, when you look at the reality
of the situation and timing wise, you got to make
a decision and go. Folks have to line up, get
behind folks and and and do that in that type
of process.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Year though they were after for a year.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, listen, I mean I think in hindsight, if
I mean, we can even go back. I mean, you know,
everything is much clearer in hindsight, right, I mean, Ruth
beta Ginsburg should have stepped down, you know, I mean
and made that decision. Uh. And certainly, I'm sure there
would have been a process of uh President Biden having
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being able to do it in a way that you know,
he's getting celebrated and all this, and it didn't feel
like it's but day man, Sometimes I just say, you know,
God is going to take care of things the way
it's going to happen, you know, and that's just it.
So so this this process is playing out the way
it should.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Absolutely, But they also said it was a finance thing. Right,
because Harris's name was on the ticket. It's easy to
trans over, the transfer the funds over too.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They said that what we're talking about last year, like,
you know, because I've been saying for the longest President
Biden step down, but I just didn't think he could
win in November. And I thought that was a fair
question to ask. Is the Biden Harris ticket a winnable
ticket in November?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So I've been asking that and people were saying last
year they should primary them because everybody saw the decline.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Right, they saw it, So I mean it was it
is definitely apparent. The question is, you know, is was that?
And obviously, I mean, come on, I mean we saw
what we saw. You can't unsee what you saw, right.
You know, my mother's eighty six years old, God bless her.
She lives with me in Detroit and me and my son,
and you know, she's not moving the way she used
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to move, right, and that's not her fault. And she's
one of the most brilliant people. First black female Lanta
sez I is one of the first black female sez
I was in the country. But at the end of
the day, you know, time can't be for the two
yes right time is one is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That is a video of you fifteen years ago, right
predicting that Kamala Harris was going to be the president.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What did you see in her fifteen years ago that
made you think that before people even knew who she was.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I think leadership tenacity. You know, at that time in
two thousand and seven, Barack Obama had asked myself and
Kamala to go to Iowa to stump for him to
help him win the Iowa caucus. He felt that if
he couldn't win the Iowa caucus, there was no way
to win that primary because he was going up against
establishment and establishment money, et cetera. And so folks stump
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for him. So we became friends. She asked me to
contribute to her book, which I did. Eventually, I hosted
the first fundraiser for her in southern California for her
Attorney general's race, and then did some other things with
you know, black professionals, different things, And that's where that
quote was from, I introducing her to Black professionals event.
And so you talk about someone with intelligence, someone who's
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work ethic, someone who you know just just also very
passionate about wanting to make the world better and figure
out ways to do that. And so there was no
you know in my mind, you know, when I went
to Harvard Law School with Barack. You know, you see
things in people and you can see just who and
how what they're made of, and and there's you know,
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you talk about uh, you know, there's there's a lot
of things that I think that she's going to have
to do to appeal you know, from a Michigan point
of view, to clean up some of the problems with
the Arab Muslim community in Michigan, et cetera. But she
can do that work. There's an opportunity here. She can
do that work. She can, she can, I believe, get
that done.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think her rhetoric around Israel and God that thus
far has been stellar, I.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Really do, because we're not going to the net and
Yahoo speech was it was definitely a step in the
right direction. That was a step in the right direction,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Absolutely, But even the lame I mean, even when she
says she's like, Israel does have the right to defend itself,
but we still have to work towards a ceasefire. We
need a ceasefire. As well watching innocent people get killed.
You know, that's right, I mean, I and to me
it's so big, it's common sense rhetoric. But for whatever reason,
people are afraid to say that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I say it all the time. There's no good war
and there's no bad peace. I mean, that's just a
simple fact. Is we want to save lives. At the
end of the day. Humanity and human rights have to
come first in every discussion. That's for everybody. And that's just.
And the idea of if you say, you know, when
I call for ceasefire, for instance, my social media got
ratcheted down by ninety eight percent. And this is like
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last November when I called for I was one of
the first US sent canons in the country to call
for And the idea that if you're calling for ceasefire
is some somehow that's pro terrorism or anti Israel or
anti you know, human or this, it's not true. The
thing is I can't stand terrorists. Terrorists, that's that's violence
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and malevolent and that's I can't stand hostages, that's violence
and malevolence. But I also can't stand carpetbag carpet bombing,
and and and and and ultimately covering places with indiscriminate
bombing and killing women and children, and and and the
injury and death death's toll. And so it's heartbreaking. I
was in a meeting last night in Dearborn in Michigan
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with a number of folks from the Palestinian community, and
their hearts are ripped out because they're seeing their family
members and so. But at the same time, you have
a whole set of folks who have you know, hostages
have been taken and their hearts are broken. So there's
so much pain and grief. But the idea is, how
do we get to a place where we reduce the
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level of violence and the level of uh malevolent behavior.
We can get there, but you don't get there through
a bomb. We don't get there.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
We had Governor Whitmer up here, and I'm gonna ask
you the same thing, because you know you're in Michigan.
How much of an impact do you think that's gonna
happen November? Because when you see these hundreds of thousands
of people who voted uncommitted, you know, you know during primaries,
it's like, what do you think, how are you gonna
that's what you November to be like? You know what
we're going to show up Now.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, this may sound self certain, but I think if
if I can come to and win this primary, we
you know, at the top of the ticket in Michigan,
Harris and Harper ticket there we're able to to unify
those communities. Because the one thing I'm proud about, among
among many things, with our campaign, as we'll be able
to unify the Black community in Michigan as well as
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the Arab Muslim community. I have the endorsements from you know,
most of the top leaders uh IN in Michigan that
are from the Araban Muslim community, as well as the
Arab American Political Action Committee, the Arab and Muslim Political
Action Committee, but also all the endorsements from the top
black political leaders, which is oftentimes communities that haven't come together.
And so we have to figure out a way to
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unify communities. Because when you look back and you look
at look at doctor King and Jim Crow, you look
at Nelson Della and apartheid, we're in these types of
seminal moments, chiros moments, moments that are inflection points, and
this is one of them, and it's but it's reflective
of a of a culture of violence in general. You know,
there was two young two young kids, young people that
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were shot on the east side of Detroit just two
weeks ago. Nineteen other people injured. And so violence is
violence no matter of what happens on the east side
of Detroit or if it's happening in Gaza. Death is
death wherever it's happening. And are our eyeballs have to
be about what how do we save humans? How do
we create human rights, how we do create opportunity? That
has to be our litmus test. It's not about trying
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to do political posturing.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I was gonna ask you know last time you spoke
about it a little bit. But for people that just
tuning in now, you know, a lot of people will
say they know you as an actor and a lot
of the stuff that you did, But what got you
into politics? What made you say? You know what, I'm
gonna put this acting bag down, put it on hold
for a little bit, and make sure.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My community is giving a good acting bag, good doctors,
and don't remind it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Don't remind you get a lot of please don't. At
the end of the day, when I got into acting,
I wanted to be like actors that were activists, Harrab Belafonte,
Ozzie Davis. So I did, I did the movie, get
on the bus with Ozzie. I got to sit next
to him for you know, God rest his soul for
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weeks on end and him just counseling me talking about
when Malcolm X would come to the house and doctor
King and he did what he would do. Gil Scott Herron,
you know, all this and one have impact, you know,
in that kind of way that moves the meter. And
it's clear that the days through that entertainment lens are gone.
There is a level of collusion and corruption in our
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federal government through basically because of Citizens United. I mean,
you know, many people think that the reaction to Obama
presidency was the Tea Party. I think that's the beer.
The true reaction to Obama presidency was Citizens United in
twenty ten that said money is speech, called corporations people,
and allowed unfettered dark money to rein into our political
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system electropolitic. Okay, okay, so check it out. So there
was a court ruling that basically said, no matter who
you are, you could spend unlimited money to get somebody
elected and you don't even have to report who it
is and how it's that's called dark money. That's dark money.
So like a foreign country could be doing it if
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they if they washed the money through the process, yes
they could. And so you don't know every time it
Just for folks out there, every time you see an
ad that says paid for by Patriots for America or
paid for by moving Michigan for you know, pay whatever
that is, just think a dark money or think whatever
that is because you don't know it's called an independent expenditure.
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You don't know who paid for that. You don't know
what it is. And the threats that have come at me,
I've called for, like, for instance, shutting down a Line five,
which is an oil pipeline that runs in our Great Lakes. Right,
twenty one percent of the world's fresh water supply touches
Michigan shores, and and it gets most of the benefit
of this oil. I want to shut it down. So Enbridge,
the oil company has they have independent expenditures, right, so
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they want to make sure someone like me doesn't get elected, right,
and they're going to spend money to do that, to
smear me, smear your name, et cetera. Right, because they
have an interest. Same thing with the NRA and the
gun lobby, Same thing with APAK, the American Israel Political
Action Committee, Same thing with big oil, big pharma, big farmers.
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Spent three hundred and seventy five million dollars on elections
in twenty twenty two. They're on course to spend over
the four hundred million in twenty twenty four. So people
know intrinsically that they're not being represented. They know that
the big donors, the dark money is representing them. You know,
seventy four percent of Michigan Democrats are in favor of
sees fire, less than ten percent of the federal delegation
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has called for it. That's because of the money, right,
that's because they've been bought. And so I'm running to
show that you don't have to be bought. I say
I won't be bought, I won't be lost, I won't
be bullied. They offer me twenty million dollars to drop
out of my Senate race and primary Rasheeta to leave. Right,
they think that money that everyone's on the take, that
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only people just want power, and people just want money.
But if you're not for sale, you can actually charte
a path that represents people over politics, over party. I'm
running to actually hold both the Democratic Party and the
Republican Party accountable because they both have been derelict to
so many community.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But it seems like it seems like every party has
been bought. It just seems like you could see where people,
you know, whether it's it's the gun lobbying or whatever
it is, it seemed like everybody's being brought.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It seems like that's the thing in politics.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's right, but money, See, money doesn't vote. People vote,
and that's and see, this is what the big challenge
has been. How do you get people to understand they
still have the power even though they look and they're like,
there's something. I was at the gas pump the other
day and so I drive an F one fifty. So
it costs over one hundred dollars to fill it up.
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And so the dudes I'm up and next toe he's
say like, man, this is so expensive. And I said, yeah,
did you know that your tax dollars are given big
oil literal tax breaks. He's like, and the price are
going up? He said yeah, And I said, did you
know that virtually all Chevron exce on mobile all of
them are posting over one hundred billion in profits every quarters.
He's like, well, how come my prices are like this,
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I'm saying, because there's collusion, corporate collusion between your federal
representatives and big oil. Right, and so people are like,
they know something's wrong. They know they're getting the short
end of the stick. They just can't figure out why.
Because it's dark it's dark money. And so if we
don't get rid of citizens United our democracy is done.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Okay, I'm sorry, No, no, go ahead, go ahead. I
want to go back to what you said about the
because I read that or I saw that somewhere where
they offered you. I know, I didn't know how much
it was. You said, twenty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
To go a giins receetd to me or talk no
no no, to run against her. So, so the idea
would be, I was, I'm running for United States Senate
and I'm running against one of their CA antidates that
they back. So APAC backs my opponent. Okay, so they
would get a two fer Rashida to leave is the
public enemy number one for them, right they you know,
(15:11):
they just got rid of Jamal Bowman, right. So, but
but she's even more.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Targeted, and Corey Bush. They got to talking on court.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They're going they're going after Corey Busch. And so so
the guy down in Missouri took the deal, that same
deal I was offered. So Wesley Bell was running for
US Senate down there in Missouri. He took the deal,
left the Senate race and and ran against Corey Bush.
So so so what they did is they figure everybody's
for sale, and they they figured with you know, there's
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no way ten million, ten million in hard dollars, which
would be they raise the money, they bundle it for you.
You know, they go out in thirty three hundred dollars increments.
That's the max you can get for the primery. So
they'll go out and bundle the money through through their
network in thirty three hundred dollars increments. That's ten million
and hard dollars and then ten million what they call
soft dollars. That's a nice way of saying dar money
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that we talked about already, and that's unlimited. So they
just they find a big donor most you know, a
couple of big donors to stroke million dollar checks and
then you get ten million in soft, ten million in
hard much in your pocket. You know, there's none in
the pocket. It's to win, right, They're they're they're giving
that money to to win this camp. This is all
campaign dollars, right, And so so they think that everybody
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wants that badge on the lapel to be in Congress.
That's why you're running for office, not to actually help people, right.
They think that you want power more because that's what
they want, right, And that's what we're filled with. We're
filled with a Congress of representatives that are more interested
in power maintenance and helping people. And and that's what
we as people have to realize, and we have to
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start electing candidates that actually want to help people and
they're not interested in just powermats. That's because look at
both both the Republican Democratic Party are complicit and not
wanting to get rid of Citizens United. Because if you
really wanted to represent people first, you'd be wanting to
get rid of it. You don't, you would, you would
not want to have it. It's going to take a
constitutional amendment to do it, or expanding the court to
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get a new court ruling to get rid Oficisians United.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's my biggest issue with the Democratic Party always is
that they lack courage. I believe that they try a
lot of political strategies, but courage and then one of them.
That's why it was, you know, refreshing to see President
Biden stepped down, whether they pushed them out, whatever it was,
it was just refreshing to see that. But all these
things that you're described or now, it takes courage to do.
It takes courage to expand the Supreme Court. It takes
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courage to make these constitutional amendments.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't know if they have it. That's why we
got to take it. I mean, that's that's the thing.
I mean, my friend said to me the other day,
Hey said, hell man, you're trying to save the Democratic
Party from itself, you know, because at the end of
the day, you're right, it's losing it. It's you know,
it's losing its way, losing its sole and we got
to bring it back because of the you know, people
are checking out. I mean, when you just start to
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see and that's the challenge here, voter apathy. People are
sole It's like that study, you know when the professor
would shock the dog, the dog jumped and they kept
it on the same setting and the next time a
shock that the dog only jumps so high. Eventually the
dog stop jumping. And that's what we've done to people
in the electorate. People have seen so much corruption and
they're seeing so much inaction that they've stopped voting and participating.
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And I'm trying to wake people up. It's like that
scene out of school Days, wake up, trying to get
people to say, we have an opportunity. Just in Michigan
with my race, I'm running against someone who didn't co
sponsor the George Floyd Justinson Policing Act, didn't co sponsor
Medicare for All, actually voted to not fund the state
Department to study the gods of health ministries death and
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injury records. I mean, I don't even know how you
make that vote. I mean, obviously I do when you're
getting funded from the other side, and that's how you
make that vote. But the point being, we have an
opportunity here to grab a US Senate seat. The US Senate,
one hundred people in this country control the distribution of
seven point two trillion dollars. People don't realize that. People think, oh,
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the president, the executive branch does not control the money y'all,
it's the United States Senate. And if you if you know,
if you want your money to be used for overseas
violence or do you want to be used for healthcare
at home? You want your money to go to the
undergirding and giving tax breaks to big oil or big farmer?
Do you want it to go to public education? That
is directly who you put in the US Senate.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And and but if we check out like like like
I'm seeing so many foot man, it doesn't matter. I
ain't voting. I don't even know what the primary is.
I mean, I can't do this. If we do that,
we have lost. Don't be the dog that stops jumping.
We have a chance. This is this is an open
US sendency. Now I'm only run against one person. I
need one more vote than one person, and we and
an activist, an activist can grab a Senate seat. It's
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unprecedented the opportunity we have. It's just hard to convince
people to move.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Have you asked the I know you're in President Obama
real close friends. Yeah? Have you asked them to endorse
you yet? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, he said that he would not endorse. He thinks
it's not right for a former president to endorse in
an open uh In party race. Right, so that's a
primary and an open primary. He's like, hell, you win it.
Obviously I'll come in and indoors. Uh you against the
Republican person. Now at the end of the day, Uh,
he's always done what is the right thing, because that's
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actually the proper thing to do, right, that's the right
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's all because nobody on the other side.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
There nobody on the other side, right, And well that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Nobody on this side does the right thing too much.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
When you think about this, there is that thing when
you say they go they go low, we go high.
The problem with that is you get your legs cut off.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
That's the triangle offense in twenty twenty four that won
a lot of championships in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, no, and and so you know, all I can
do is try to fight to let people know, inform people,
educate people, and hopefully create this turnout. Because there's no
question I got the most supporters. The question is can
I convert those supporters to vote because so many people
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like black. Turnout in Michigan in the last Democratic primary
was less than ten percent. That's like you count ten
people one person voted. I mean, I can't win. I
can't win with that turnout. It's impossible. But if we
don't start to realize we got to start taking our
power back. We gotta own our power, we gotta grab it.
If we don't start doing that, I'm talking about this
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is not even just my election. I'm talking about across
the board. I'm talking about owning businesses. I'm talking about
owning our education. I'm talking about owning our vote, owning
our ability to self determination, all of that. If we
don't start acting like that and understanding the power in that,
we truly are lost. Because you know, surely Chisham said it.
I mean, come on, this is a long time ago.
So she said, if you don't have a seat at
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the table, bring a folding chair. Why because you have
to have a seat at the table. And I say,
if you don't have to see the table, you're on
the menu, because that means you're getting ordered rather than
do an ordering. And we and that's the situation we
find ourselves, and we do want to empower ourselves. That's
why this, this what you're doing here is so important
because it's I believe it seeps into people's minds and
be like, Okay, this conversation was important. You know what,
I do have power. I do have the ability to
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affect and have some self determination. I can actually move
my household, my community, my city, my state, my country,
and my vote actually matters. And it does, or they
wouldn't work so hard to make sure you don't vote.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Why did your opponent cancel debate?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, she is canceled every debate. We were supposed to
have five debates across the state. She's pulled out of
every single one of them. It's disrespectful. It's disrespectful to
the voter. It's disrespectful to be you know, because she's
she's doing a runout the clock mentality where if she
has all the money, she has a lot more money
than I do, so she's able to run ads and
she just thinks ads do it, you know. And what
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she doesn't want is her really problematic voting record exposed.
I mean, she's horrible in so many issues, and she's
been wrong. You know, she voted against student loan debt
relief in twenty twenty. How do you sixty How do
you even make that but sixty three percent of black
wealth goes to paying down student loan debt. Student loan
debt is crushing. It's a regressive tax. If you're wealthy,
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and this has none to do with race. If you're wealthy,
you can prefund your kids' education and therefore they're not
saddled with lifelong debt. If you're not wealthy and you
come from poor communities, you have to take out student
long debt, and then what happens is you have lifelong
debt and your education costs four x five x, seven
x ten x more than somebody else. It is a regressive,
wrong way tax and hidden costs on someone's life. And
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how you're going to vote against that, I don't even
know how you make that vote debt. And that's an example.
She doesn't want that exposed. So that's why she doesn't
want a debate.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The stuff like you know, like you would be the
first black US ended a Michigan indust right. What does
that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It means in a state that has so much proud
history of black political activism and representation, the fact that
we've never had a senator is crazy. I mean, you're
talking about the state that had Coleman Alexander Young, who's
the pioneering mayor. I mean, you know, Atlanta would not
be what Atlanta is but for Coleman Young, right, he
showed Maynor Jackson the way. Right, you have a Carolyn
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Cheeks kill Patrick, and then you have the legend John Conyers.
You know, and watch this. For the first time in
fifty seven years, Michigan does not have a black Democratic
representative in the federal delegation. That's out of thirteen House
of Representative seats and two Senate seats. It's ridiculous, the
lack of representation. So yes, I would be the first,
you know, we would break that cycle and also be
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the first black Senator. It would be huge. And this
is why got to remember, though, everybody who's listening, even
if you're not from Michigan, the US Senate is a
federal body that makes decisions that covers everybody. So sure,
I'd be the senator from Michigan, but what I would
be fighting for would cover off everybody. Let's just take
I'm gonna take George full of justice and policing. It's passed,
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it has passed the House of Representatives, but it never
got through the Senate because someone was not there to
be able to champion and fight for it and demand it.
And you talk about no knock. When I say this
stuff is a matter of life or death, it's not hyperbole,
it's not exaggeration. No knock warrants, having a national database
for police who misconduct these are things that are part
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of that that we got to get done. And you know,
and in funding, funding for public education, funding for health care,
all of these different things, common sense gun laws, these
are things that we can get done federally, women's reproductive freedom,
black maternal health. I mean, all these different things that
have to get done that covers everybody. And that's why
I'm surprised and invite people in to obviously support the campaign,
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because this is to be a national movement to grab
this seat, and then we should pick off another seat
in the next cycle, and pick off another seat in
the next cycle. From a national perspective, there's only been
twelve black US centers in the history of the country.
If we had twelve right now, we'd still be underrepresented
in terms of population. Right There's been a higher percentage
of black US presidents than black US senators. It's the
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toughest position to get in. Then yes, Wow, so it's
one out of forty six. I'm not a math genius Charlemagne,
but that's two point two percent, twelve out of two
thousand and three. Wow, that's zero point five percent.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Think about that and why? The reason why is the
real powers in the sent When I was at Harvard
Law School, my constitution law professor would say all the time,
the real powers in the Senate. It's the most powerful
deliberative body in politics in the world because one hundred
people make the decision about two crucial things in this country.
Number one, confirming lifetime appointments of federal judges. We see
how that affects us down the line. And number two,
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deciding how your money gets spent.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's not glorified.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
People don't talk about the Senate as much as they
talk about being president, or talk about vice president, or
talk about even some of the other things.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's just not glorified.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
The president doesn't control the money, right, you know, My
grandmama used to say, if you want to know someone's priorities,
if you want to know an institution or a person,
see how they spend their money. And that's what it
is you know, Mark Pocan and Barber put Forth the
bill called People over the Pentagon. It was one hundred
billion dollar reduction in Pentagon spending. You know, we have
we have people in office that keep rubber stamping the
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National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA two percent, raises three percent.
All of that doing is fattening the pockets and Department
of Defense contractors. We virtually have a US Senate of
people that have been bought and this is real. They've
been bought by DD contractors, they've been bought by Big Pharma.
They've been bought, and they make decisions based off that,
not decisions in support of the people's best interest. And
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that's what people have to realize. Don't check out because
of that, lean in because of that, take it back
because of that, And that's the energy that's happening. If
we give up, we've actually lost to the money interest
in the corporate collusion. We got to lean in because
people vote. We still have the power if we understand
our power and lean in.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Grab it's new tax. What's your no new tax pledge?
What is that?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh say, that's a pledge that the money's already there
right The seven point two trillion annual budget. It was
for the annual budget on Obama was four point two trillion,
and that included bank bailouts, and then it went up
to six point two COVID and Trump, and now we're
up to seven point two. We can't just keep taking
taking people's money because at the end of the day,
all that money is going to, like I said, DoD
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contract is not going to actually solve the problems that
people need healthcare, education, affordable housing. Imagine that, right, It's
not going back to the people. So we're gonna keep
taking the middle classes and the working classes money because
that's literally the working classes and middle classes are literally
who's supporting this country, right, Because if you make too much,
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you won't qualify for the earned income tax credit, and
if you if you and then if you don't make
enough to have offshore accounts and LLCs to hide your money,
so you're really not paying your fair share. All of
a sudden, who's really holding enough. We don't need to
take more people's money, We need to spend it differently.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
That's the key I want to ask you, because you're
a constitutional laws resident.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, I went to Harvard Law School. I got my
juris doctorate.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yes, Okay, Why aren't more people talking about the Supreme
Court being an illegitimate institution? Why aren't more people just
calling out the Supreme Court saying it's corrupt? Because my fear,
and I've said this to every elected official that's come
up here, let's just say the VP wins in November,
Donald Trump challenges the results of the election in light
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of all the recent rulings, the wilder rulings, the Supreme
Court is done from presidential community, accepting bribes, all of that.
What makes us think they wouldn't overturn the results of
an election and then it would be a constitutional crisis?
Why not declare a constitution from crisis now while you
still got Democrats in office?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I mean I think, I think there's a couple
of things. But you're absolutely right. I mean you, but
but this isn't new. You go back to the Bush v.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Gore.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's right, you know, our Gore. A lot of these
problems we have now we probably wouldn't even exist in
this country. Again, I'll Gore won that election.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
There's no question. I was sitting in my wife's dorm room.
I wasn't even into politics, like that. But I used
to always be watching CNN, and I'm watching and they
announced them as the president. Right, they announced al going
to the president.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And the court took up. So so a couple of
things have to happen. I think that there's no question
we need reform. I wrote an op ed about judicial reform.
We need to expand the court. When the court was
said at nine justices, there were thirty eight million people
in this country. Now we have three hundred and sixty million,
plus tens of millions that aren't even countered in that number. Right,
So we need more people. They need they need to
handle a bigger case load. I want to see to
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expand to fifteen justices. Number one, number two. I do
believe that there should be a term limit in terms
of how long you're on the Supreme Court. I believe
you should still get a lifetime appointment to the federal bench,
because we don't We want to try to limit the
corruption and we don't want it to be like Congress,
where you know, the private enity say hey, you going
to be out in two years. You know, rule this way,
and we're going to make you a partner and pay
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you millions of dollars and so so. But you only
serve on the Supreme Court for eighteen years and then
you cycle off. And that way, if it's on a cycle,
every president could appoint two justices and then you don't
have the jerremandering of withholding appointments and all the stuff
that we've seen happen. So the system has to change
the way the appointments has to change. We can fix
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it by systemically. It's just like anything else. You know,
what's that quote by the guy I think it was
John Clear or something like that. He says, you don't
rise to the level of your goals, you fall to
the level of your systems. We have broken systems now
in government, citizens United We have a broken system of
the Supreme Court and the way the appointments happen. We
have broken systems that we have to fix for our democracy.
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And so if we don't fix the systems, You're right,
you're going to continue to see these results. And there's
no question it could play out the way you just
said it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Absolutely. I don't see why people don't think it will. Yeah,
I mean he challenged it in twenty twenty, right, that's right.
I just don't think in light of everything that they've
done recently, I don't see why they wouldn't overturn it
this year.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
If it's close, that's why you know it shouldn't. It
can't be close, you know, and in that state by state, right,
and but there's no reason to think it won't be closed. One. Yeah,
but that's the popular vote. So so here's an interesting
statistic about the Supreme Court. You know, only one of
the Republican appointees has been appointed by a president that
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won the popular vote. Only one.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That that's wild. So you're literally talking about a representation
in the on the highest court appointed by individuals who
won the presidency that did not win more individual votes by.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Americans would be that one.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
No, no, no, And I'm saying Republican Clarence Thomas, right,
so so so George Bush one, you know that the
first one. He So you think about this, think about
how the manipulation of the system has happened to create
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the ability to govern by a minority rule. And but
that's historic too. I mean you go back to I mean, listen,
we got two senators in every state, Wyoming, North Dakota,
South Dakota. They got fewer people the Metro Detroit and
they got two senators each. And so there's no question
that there is an imbalance. And that's why I say
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to people, when we got an opportunity to grab a
Senate seat, we need to grab at it, you know,
because it's already imbalanced with with the fact that those
those states like that that are solo population have two senators.
I mean, California has forty million people. Niggas got two senators,
you know what I mean, that's wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
If you lose, would you go back to acting?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Man? Haven't I've been working so hard, I haven't eve
thought about it, you know. Maybe you know, I've never
been the type of person that's think anything I do,
I just I go all in and and then you know,
I don't do plan bs. I've never imagined plan bees.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
They still reaching out to you, agents to reaching out
to you for parts and stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I don't even know. I don't even talk to them. Yeah, yeah,
it's not it's not even that, man, it's you know,
I mean, I really and this may sound crazy to y'all,
but like on the show, like The Good Doctor, I
was saving lives, you know, and pretend and I really
feel in this world, I can save lives for real,
And so I'm so being so all in on it
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and just working as hard as I can, meeting people.
And because I truly still believe, and maybe it's a
Pollyannis view and maybe I'm totally delusional, I still believe.
You meet people where they are, you look them in
the eye, they feel you. Ultimately, we can win. If
you do the right thing, we can win. And that's
why I tell my eight year old son. So if
I'm telling my eight year old son that, I gotta
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believe it. But he did say to me the other day,
he said, Daddy, are you gonna win? And I said,
if more people vote for me than the other person,
I win. He said, well, but are you going to
I said, I don't know. But the only thing I control,
I said. I can't control the outcome, but I can
control how hard I work. And so that's it, just
working as hard as I can and allowing people to
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into the process. Senators get to hire sixty tow one
hundred people think about this, No one even thinks about it,
and I go everywhere else. How many y'all know you've
had two senators your whole life?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How many.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Y'all know ten people that worked in those offices. No
hands go five people, no hands go, three people, no
hands go, two people, one person. People don't even know
it's the most powerful federal body in their life that
should be giving them direct constituency services. But they never
even meant anybody that they've been completely under unrepresented. And
that's what we have to change. We have to rethink
what the Senate is. Senate has to be service. It
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can't be what it's been, which has basically bought politicians.
Trying to figure out how to spend your money and
distribute it in a way that's not in your best
interest doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I got one more question. What changes do the Democratic
Party need to make now that they do have this
new energy we've seen like over the last week and
a half. You know what Vice President Kamala Harris, the
way she's energized the party, the way she seemed to
have bought in the party together. But what changes do
the Democratic Party need?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think you said it originally courage. Courage is my
favorite word in the English language etymology or the rule
of the word. If you speak French, you know at
me his heart you gotta get it back to the
heart and not you know, everybody, you can see the fake.
You can see the fake. And that's what crushed Hillary Clinton.
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You know, I met you know, I got invited over
to her house one time in Washington and I walked
in with my friend who had worked for them, and
I met this woman with some jeans and a T
shirt charming, smart, funny, and I literally was sitting there
having a glass of wine looking at her as just
the three of us, and I'm staying in my head,
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if this woman had run for president, she would have
wiped the floor. But that pants suit over fake version,
there's no I don't The person I met in the
living room was completely different and so in the same
thing they were doing with propping up President Biden, that's
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not in the best interest of people. It's very easy,
open up your heart. What's in the best interests of people?
It's not about over coaching somebody. It's not about trying
to prop them up and figuring out the machinations of
how do we win. It's about doing the right thing.
And if the Democratic Party gets back to that core,
then we'd win every election, because how are you losing
an argument to a populace on the other side. It
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just doesn't make sense. People are literally voting against their
own self interest because they feel more authenticity from the
other side.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, simple, I say it all the time, even with
the Vice President's That's what I've been happy to see
a lot more over the last few months, but especially
over the last couple of weeks. The person that we
know that we've had conversations with off the air, the
heart that we see, we're starting to see that we are.
And if we see that over the next hundred days,
it won't it won't even be close.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I completely agree. And that's why I hope someone doesn't
get in your ear and starts to try to over coach,
and I don't think it'll happen. You know why, because
it's not like she's got meaning. It's almost like, once
you're in the seat, you can relax. So, yeah, she's
not trying to outcompete somebody, and so it's not trying
to figure out, well, what do I do to outcompete.
It's just like, just be yourself because you already got it.
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You already got the experience, you already have the intelligence,
you already have the infrastructure. Now just listen. You could
be more bold, more full of heart and bring that
it's beautiful. I think we're in a great inflection moment
in this country, and I'd love to be her partner
in the Senate for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Now, if people want to support you, how can he
support you?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They go straight to Hill Harper dot com. And your
support means so much. We are one week away from
August sixth, the election, and there's early voting happening right now,
and basically anything that comes in now what we do
is put a right back out for voter education. We
buy time on radio, we buy time on television and
all of that just to say, let people know we
win this thing if enough people actually go vote. You know,
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no question. High turnout we win. Low turnout, we lose.
That's just that's the real and so we have to
it was a campaign. So if you go to Hill
Hopper dot com, two dollars makes a difference, y'all. That's real.
He buys a yard sign, It does all this stuff
that we can actually repurpose quickly.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
So thank you all right, Well he'll hop o.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Ladies and gentlemen, make sure you go out and vote
August sixth in Michigan, and it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
The Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's teen j n V Jess hilarious,
charlamage the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We are the breakfast club. We got a special guest
in the building. Indeed, got the brother Hill harp.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, good, good, good, good to be here. Man, this
this is a new studio to me. This is beautiful.
I haven't been in this this studio a.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Year and a half.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, year and a half. Yeah, it'd be two years
in like January.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Maybe they gotta pull pull out couch.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Maybe I could just.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Exactly. It's very nice.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You got a bigger things to be doing, man, Yeah,
Senate in Michigan. Run for US Senate in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We're gonna we got this primary August sixth, which is
a huge deal. Man. It's about turnout. We it's a
huge challenge to get communities out because so many of
our people don't even know what a primary is.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
People come up, man, I'm vote for you in November.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm gonna vote for you, and comlin, no, I'm gonna
do this. I'm gonna do that. And I'm like dog,
if you don't vote for me August six I won't
be on the ballot in November. And in many ways
I blame the Democratic Party for that. They show up
with tens of millions of dollars in October saying save
the country. Come on, come on, y'all, turn out, But
they want to place their establishment candidates in the primary,
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so they want low turnout in the primary, so they're
doing no GOTV work. So my campaign literally has to
try to educate folks, this is why you need to vote.
The primary is actually more important than the general because
if you can't get the right candidates on the ballot
in the general election, then you have a very limited choice.
And therefore people keep saying, man, nothing changes.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Do you think that the Democratic Party wipe their ass
with democracy by not having a primary to properly appoint
a new top of the ticket for president?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I don't know about that. I don't know
because the time is so tight. You know, you're talking
about less than one hundred days, so you know, it's
almost that thing you kind of got to get in
line and get organized. And you know, it's something I
say all the time about many many of us that
are you know, more progressive. I say, man, we can
agree on nine things disagree on one and people are like,
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I can't work with them. And then you know the
other side, they can disagree on nine, agree on one
and go storm the Capitol together. So so I think
that that, you know, when you look at the reality
of the situation and timing wise, you got to make
a decision and go. Folks have to line up, get
behind folks and and and do that in that type
of process.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Year though they were after for a year.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, listen, I mean I think in hindsight, if
I mean, we can even go back. I mean, you know,
everything is much clearer in hindsight, right, I mean, Ruth
beta Ginsburg should have stepped down, you know, I mean
and made that decision. Uh. And certainly, I'm sure there
would have been a process of uh President Biden having
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being able to do it in a way that you know,
he's getting celebrated and all this, and it didn't feel
like it's but day man, Sometimes I just say, you know,
God is going to take care of things the way
it's going to happen, you know, and that's just it.
So so this this process is playing out the way
it should.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Absolutely, But they also said it was a finance thing. Right,
because Harris's name was on the ticket. It's easy to
trans over, the transfer the funds over too.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They said that what we're talking about last year, like,
you know, because I've been saying for the longest President
Biden step down, but I just didn't think he could
win in November. And I thought that was a fair
question to ask. Is the Biden Harris ticket a winnable
ticket in November?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So I've been asking that and people were saying last
year they should primary them because everybody saw the decline.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Right, they saw it, So I mean it was it
is definitely apparent. The question is, you know, is was that?
And obviously, I mean, come on, I mean we saw
what we saw. You can't unsee what you saw, right.
You know, my mother's eighty six years old, God bless her.
She lives with me in Detroit and me and my son,
and you know, she's not moving the way she used
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to move, right, and that's not her fault. And she's
one of the most brilliant people. First black female Lanta
sez I is one of the first black female sez
I was in the country. But at the end of
the day, you know, time can't be for the two
yes right time is one is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
That is a video of you fifteen years ago, right
predicting that Kamala Harris was going to be the president.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
What did you see in her fifteen years ago that
made you think that before people even knew who she was.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I think leadership tenacity. You know, at that time in
two thousand and seven, Barack Obama had asked myself and
Kamala to go to Iowa to stump for him to
help him win the Iowa caucus. He felt that if
he couldn't win the Iowa caucus, there was no way
to win that primary because he was going up against
establishment and establishment money, et cetera. And so folks stump
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for him. So we became friends. She asked me to
contribute to her book, which I did. Eventually, I hosted
the first fundraiser for her in southern California for her
Attorney general's race, and then did some other things with
you know, black professionals, different things, And that's where that
quote was from, I introducing her to Black professionals event.
And so you talk about someone with intelligence, someone who's
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work ethic, someone who you know just just also very
passionate about wanting to make the world better and figure
out ways to do that. And so there was no
you know in my mind, you know, when I went
to Harvard Law School with Barack. You know, you see
things in people and you can see just who and
how what they're made of, and and there's you know,
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you talk about uh, you know, there's there's a lot
of things that I think that she's going to have
to do to appeal you know, from a Michigan point
of view, to clean up some of the problems with
the Arab Muslim community in Michigan, et cetera. But she
can do that work. There's an opportunity here. She can
do that work. She can, she can, I believe, get
that done.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think her rhetoric around Israel and God that thus
far has been stellar, I.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Really do, because we're not going to the net and
Yahoo speech was it was definitely a step in the
right direction. That was a step in the right direction,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Absolutely, But even the lame I mean, even when she
says she's like, Israel does have the right to defend itself,
but we still have to work towards a ceasefire. We
need a ceasefire. As well watching innocent people get killed.
You know, that's right, I mean, I and to me
it's so big, it's common sense rhetoric. But for whatever reason,
people are afraid to say that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I say it all the time. There's no good war
and there's no bad peace. I mean, that's just a
simple fact. Is we want to save lives. At the
end of the day. Humanity and human rights have to
come first in every discussion. That's for everybody. And that's just.
And the idea of if you say, you know, when
I call for ceasefire, for instance, my social media got
ratcheted down by ninety eight percent. And this is like
(06:38):
last November when I called for I was one of
the first US sent canons in the country to call
for And the idea that if you're calling for ceasefire
is some somehow that's pro terrorism or anti Israel or
anti you know, human or this, it's not true. The
thing is I can't stand terrorists. Terrorists, that's that's violence
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and malevolent and that's I can't stand hostages, that's violence
and malevolence. But I also can't stand carpetbag carpet bombing,
and and and and and ultimately covering places with indiscriminate
bombing and killing women and children, and and and the
injury and death death's toll. And so it's heartbreaking. I
was in a meeting last night in Dearborn in Michigan
(07:21):
with a number of folks from the Palestinian community, and
their hearts are ripped out because they're seeing their family
members and so. But at the same time, you have
a whole set of folks who have you know, hostages
have been taken and their hearts are broken. So there's
so much pain and grief. But the idea is, how
do we get to a place where we reduce the
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level of violence and the level of uh malevolent behavior.
We can get there, but you don't get there through
a bomb. We don't get there.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
We had Governor Whitmer up here, and I'm gonna ask
you the same thing, because you know you're in Michigan.
How much of an impact do you think that's gonna
happen November? Because when you see these hundreds of thousands
of people who voted uncommitted, you know, you know during primaries,
it's like, what do you think, how are you gonna
that's what you November to be like? You know what
we're going to show up Now.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Well, this may sound self certain, but I think if
if I can come to and win this primary, we
you know, at the top of the ticket in Michigan,
Harris and Harper ticket there we're able to to unify
those communities. Because the one thing I'm proud about, among
among many things, with our campaign, as we'll be able
to unify the Black community in Michigan as well as
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the Arab Muslim community. I have the endorsements from you know,
most of the top leaders uh IN in Michigan that
are from the Araban Muslim community, as well as the
Arab American Political Action Committee, the Arab and Muslim Political
Action Committee, but also all the endorsements from the top
black political leaders, which is oftentimes communities that haven't come together.
And so we have to figure out a way to
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unify communities. Because when you look back and you look
at look at doctor King and Jim Crow, you look
at Nelson Della and apartheid, we're in these types of
seminal moments, chiros moments, moments that are inflection points, and
this is one of them, and it's but it's reflective
of a of a culture of violence in general. You know,
there was two young two young kids, young people that
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were shot on the east side of Detroit just two
weeks ago. Nineteen other people injured. And so violence is
violence no matter of what happens on the east side
of Detroit or if it's happening in Gaza. Death is
death wherever it's happening. And are our eyeballs have to
be about what how do we save humans? How do
we create human rights, how we do create opportunity? That
has to be our litmus test. It's not about trying
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to do political posturing.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I was gonna ask you know last time you spoke
about it a little bit. But for people that just
tuning in now, you know, a lot of people will
say they know you as an actor and a lot
of the stuff that you did, But what got you
into politics? What made you say? You know what, I'm
gonna put this acting bag down, put it on hold
for a little bit, and make sure.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My community is giving a good acting bag, good doctors,
and don't remind it.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Don't remind you get a lot of please don't. At
the end of the day, when I got into acting,
I wanted to be like actors that were activists, Harrab Belafonte,
Ozzie Davis. So I did, I did the movie, get
on the bus with Ozzie. I got to sit next
to him for you know, God rest his soul for
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weeks on end and him just counseling me talking about
when Malcolm X would come to the house and doctor
King and he did what he would do. Gil Scott Herron,
you know, all this and one have impact, you know,
in that kind of way that moves the meter. And
it's clear that the days through that entertainment lens are gone.
There is a level of collusion and corruption in our
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federal government through basically because of Citizens United. I mean,
you know, many people think that the reaction to Obama
presidency was the Tea Party. I think that's the beer.
The true reaction to Obama presidency was Citizens United in
twenty ten that said money is speech, called corporations people,
and allowed unfettered dark money to rein into our political
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system electropolitic. Okay, okay, so check it out. So there
was a court ruling that basically said, no matter who
you are, you could spend unlimited money to get somebody
elected and you don't even have to report who it
is and how it's that's called dark money. That's dark money.
So like a foreign country could be doing it if
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they if they washed the money through the process, yes
they could. And so you don't know every time it
Just for folks out there, every time you see an
ad that says paid for by Patriots for America or
paid for by moving Michigan for you know, pay whatever
that is, just think a dark money or think whatever
that is because you don't know it's called an independent expenditure.
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You don't know who paid for that. You don't know
what it is. And the threats that have come at me,
I've called for, like, for instance, shutting down a Line five,
which is an oil pipeline that runs in our Great Lakes. Right,
twenty one percent of the world's fresh water supply touches
Michigan shores, and and it gets most of the benefit
of this oil. I want to shut it down. So Enbridge,
the oil company has they have independent expenditures, right, so
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they want to make sure someone like me doesn't get elected, right,
and they're going to spend money to do that, to
smear me, smear your name, et cetera. Right, because they
have an interest. Same thing with the NRA and the
gun lobby, Same thing with APAK, the American Israel Political
Action Committee, Same thing with big oil, big pharma, big farmers.
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Spent three hundred and seventy five million dollars on elections
in twenty twenty two. They're on course to spend over
the four hundred million in twenty twenty four. So people
know intrinsically that they're not being represented. They know that
the big donors, the dark money is representing them. You know,
seventy four percent of Michigan Democrats are in favor of
sees fire, less than ten percent of the federal delegation
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has called for it. That's because of the money, right,
that's because they've been bought. And so I'm running to
show that you don't have to be bought. I say
I won't be bought, I won't be lost, I won't
be bullied. They offer me twenty million dollars to drop
out of my Senate race and primary Rasheeta to leave. Right,
they think that money that everyone's on the take, that
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only people just want power, and people just want money.
But if you're not for sale, you can actually charte
a path that represents people over politics, over party. I'm
running to actually hold both the Democratic Party and the
Republican Party accountable because they both have been derelict to
so many community.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
But it seems like it seems like every party has
been bought. It just seems like you could see where people,
you know, whether it's it's the gun lobbying or whatever
it is, it seemed like everybody's being brought.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
It seems like that's the thing in politics.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
That's right, but money, See, money doesn't vote. People vote,
and that's and see, this is what the big challenge
has been. How do you get people to understand they
still have the power even though they look and they're like,
there's something. I was at the gas pump the other
day and so I drive an F one fifty. So
it costs over one hundred dollars to fill it up.
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And so the dudes I'm up and next toe he's
say like, man, this is so expensive. And I said, yeah,
did you know that your tax dollars are given big
oil literal tax breaks. He's like, and the price are
going up? He said yeah, And I said, did you
know that virtually all Chevron exce on mobile all of
them are posting over one hundred billion in profits every quarters.
He's like, well, how come my prices are like this,
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I'm saying, because there's collusion, corporate collusion between your federal
representatives and big oil. Right, and so people are like,
they know something's wrong. They know they're getting the short
end of the stick. They just can't figure out why.
Because it's dark it's dark money. And so if we
don't get rid of citizens United our democracy is done.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Okay, I'm sorry, No, no, go ahead, go ahead. I
want to go back to what you said about the
because I read that or I saw that somewhere where
they offered you. I know, I didn't know how much
it was. You said, twenty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
To go a giins receetd to me or talk no
no no, to run against her. So, so the idea
would be, I was, I'm running for United States Senate
and I'm running against one of their CA antidates that
they back. So APAC backs my opponent. Okay, so they
would get a two fer Rashida to leave is the
public enemy number one for them, right they you know,
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they just got rid of Jamal Bowman, right. So, but
but she's even more.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Targeted, and Corey Bush. They got to talking on court.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
They're going they're going after Corey Busch. And so so
the guy down in Missouri took the deal, that same
deal I was offered. So Wesley Bell was running for
US Senate down there in Missouri. He took the deal,
left the Senate race and and ran against Corey Bush.
So so so what they did is they figure everybody's
for sale, and they they figured with you know, there's
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no way ten million, ten million in hard dollars, which
would be they raise the money, they bundle it for you.
You know, they go out in thirty three hundred dollars increments.
That's the max you can get for the primery. So
they'll go out and bundle the money through through their
network in thirty three hundred dollars increments. That's ten million
and hard dollars and then ten million what they call
soft dollars. That's a nice way of saying dar money
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that we talked about already, and that's unlimited. So they
just they find a big donor most you know, a
couple of big donors to stroke million dollar checks and
then you get ten million in soft, ten million in
hard much in your pocket. You know, there's none in
the pocket. It's to win, right, They're they're they're giving
that money to to win this camp. This is all
campaign dollars, right, And so so they think that everybody
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wants that badge on the lapel to be in Congress.
That's why you're running for office, not to actually help people, right.
They think that you want power more because that's what
they want, right, And that's what we're filled with. We're
filled with a Congress of representatives that are more interested
in power maintenance and helping people. And and that's what
we as people have to realize, and we have to
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start electing candidates that actually want to help people and
they're not interested in just powermats. That's because look at
both both the Republican Democratic Party are complicit and not
wanting to get rid of Citizens United. Because if you
really wanted to represent people first, you'd be wanting to
get rid of it. You don't, you would, you would
not want to have it. It's going to take a
constitutional amendment to do it, or expanding the court to
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get a new court ruling to get rid Oficisians United.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's my biggest issue with the Democratic Party always is
that they lack courage. I believe that they try a
lot of political strategies, but courage and then one of them.
That's why it was, you know, refreshing to see President
Biden stepped down, whether they pushed them out, whatever it was,
it was just refreshing to see that. But all these
things that you're described or now, it takes courage to do.
It takes courage to expand the Supreme Court. It takes
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courage to make these constitutional amendments.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't know if they have it. That's why we
got to take it. I mean, that's that's the thing.
I mean, my friend said to me the other day,
Hey said, hell man, you're trying to save the Democratic
Party from itself, you know, because at the end of
the day, you're right, it's losing it. It's you know,
it's losing its way, losing its sole and we got
to bring it back because of the you know, people
are checking out. I mean, when you just start to
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see and that's the challenge here, voter apathy. People are
sole It's like that study, you know when the professor
would shock the dog, the dog jumped and they kept
it on the same setting and the next time a
shock that the dog only jumps so high. Eventually the
dog stop jumping. And that's what we've done to people
in the electorate. People have seen so much corruption and
they're seeing so much inaction that they've stopped voting and participating.
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And I'm trying to wake people up. It's like that
scene out of school Days, wake up, trying to get
people to say, we have an opportunity. Just in Michigan
with my race, I'm running against someone who didn't co
sponsor the George Floyd Justinson Policing Act, didn't co sponsor
Medicare for All, actually voted to not fund the state
Department to study the gods of health ministries death and
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injury records. I mean, I don't even know how you
make that vote. I mean, obviously I do when you're
getting funded from the other side, and that's how you
make that vote. But the point being, we have an
opportunity here to grab a US Senate seat. The US Senate,
one hundred people in this country control the distribution of
seven point two trillion dollars. People don't realize that. People think, oh,
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the president, the executive branch does not control the money y'all,
it's the United States Senate. And if you if you know,
if you want your money to be used for overseas
violence or do you want to be used for healthcare
at home? You want your money to go to the
undergirding and giving tax breaks to big oil or big farmer?
Do you want it to go to public education? That
is directly who you put in the US Senate.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And and but if we check out like like like
I'm seeing so many foot man, it doesn't matter. I
ain't voting. I don't even know what the primary is.
I mean, I can't do this. If we do that,
we have lost. Don't be the dog that stops jumping.
We have a chance. This is this is an open
US sendency. Now I'm only run against one person. I
need one more vote than one person, and we and
an activist, an activist can grab a Senate seat. It's
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unprecedented the opportunity we have. It's just hard to convince
people to move.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Have you asked the I know you're in President Obama
real close friends. Yeah? Have you asked them to endorse
you yet? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, he said that he would not endorse. He thinks
it's not right for a former president to endorse in
an open uh In party race. Right, so that's a
primary and an open primary. He's like, hell, you win it.
Obviously I'll come in and indoors. Uh you against the
Republican person. Now at the end of the day, Uh,
he's always done what is the right thing, because that's
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actually the proper thing to do, right, that's the right
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's all because nobody on the other side.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
There nobody on the other side, right, And well that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Nobody on this side does the right thing too much.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
When you think about this, there is that thing when
you say they go they go low, we go high.
The problem with that is you get your legs cut off.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
That's the triangle offense in twenty twenty four that won
a lot of championships in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, no, and and so you know, all I can
do is try to fight to let people know, inform people,
educate people, and hopefully create this turnout. Because there's no
question I got the most supporters. The question is can
I convert those supporters to vote because so many people
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like black. Turnout in Michigan in the last Democratic primary
was less than ten percent. That's like you count ten
people one person voted. I mean, I can't win. I
can't win with that turnout. It's impossible. But if we
don't start to realize we got to start taking our
power back. We gotta own our power, we gotta grab it.
If we don't start doing that, I'm talking about this
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is not even just my election. I'm talking about across
the board. I'm talking about owning businesses. I'm talking about
owning our education. I'm talking about owning our vote, owning
our ability to self determination, all of that. If we
don't start acting like that and understanding the power in that,
we truly are lost. Because you know, surely Chisham said it.
I mean, come on, this is a long time ago.
So she said, if you don't have a seat at
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the table, bring a folding chair. Why because you have
to have a seat at the table. And I say,
if you don't have to see the table, you're on
the menu, because that means you're getting ordered rather than
do an ordering. And we and that's the situation we
find ourselves, and we do want to empower ourselves. That's
why this, this what you're doing here is so important
because it's I believe it seeps into people's minds and
be like, Okay, this conversation was important. You know what,
I do have power. I do have the ability to
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affect and have some self determination. I can actually move
my household, my community, my city, my state, my country,
and my vote actually matters. And it does, or they
wouldn't work so hard to make sure you don't vote.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Why did your opponent cancel debate?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, she is canceled every debate. We were supposed to
have five debates across the state. She's pulled out of
every single one of them. It's disrespectful. It's disrespectful to
the voter. It's disrespectful to be you know, because she's
she's doing a runout the clock mentality where if she
has all the money, she has a lot more money
than I do, so she's able to run ads and
she just thinks ads do it, you know. And what
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she doesn't want is her really problematic voting record exposed.
I mean, she's horrible in so many issues, and she's
been wrong. You know, she voted against student loan debt
relief in twenty twenty. How do you sixty How do
you even make that but sixty three percent of black
wealth goes to paying down student loan debt. Student loan
debt is crushing. It's a regressive tax. If you're wealthy,
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and this has none to do with race. If you're wealthy,
you can prefund your kids' education and therefore they're not
saddled with lifelong debt. If you're not wealthy and you
come from poor communities, you have to take out student
long debt, and then what happens is you have lifelong
debt and your education costs four x five x, seven
x ten x more than somebody else. It is a regressive,
wrong way tax and hidden costs on someone's life. And
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how you're going to vote against that, I don't even
know how you make that vote debt. And that's an example.
She doesn't want that exposed. So that's why she doesn't
want a debate.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The stuff like you know, like you would be the
first black US ended a Michigan indust right. What does
that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It means in a state that has so much proud
history of black political activism and representation, the fact that
we've never had a senator is crazy. I mean, you're
talking about the state that had Coleman Alexander Young, who's
the pioneering mayor. I mean, you know, Atlanta would not
be what Atlanta is but for Coleman Young, right, he
showed Maynor Jackson the way. Right, you have a Carolyn
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Cheeks kill Patrick, and then you have the legend John Conyers.
You know, and watch this. For the first time in
fifty seven years, Michigan does not have a black Democratic
representative in the federal delegation. That's out of thirteen House
of Representative seats and two Senate seats. It's ridiculous, the
lack of representation. So yes, I would be the first,
you know, we would break that cycle and also be
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the first black Senator. It would be huge. And this
is why got to remember, though, everybody who's listening, even
if you're not from Michigan, the US Senate is a
federal body that makes decisions that covers everybody. So sure,
I'd be the senator from Michigan, but what I would
be fighting for would cover off everybody. Let's just take
I'm gonna take George full of justice and policing. It's passed,
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it has passed the House of Representatives, but it never
got through the Senate because someone was not there to
be able to champion and fight for it and demand it.
And you talk about no knock. When I say this
stuff is a matter of life or death, it's not hyperbole,
it's not exaggeration. No knock warrants, having a national database
for police who misconduct these are things that are part
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of that that we got to get done. And you know,
and in funding, funding for public education, funding for health care,
all of these different things, common sense gun laws, these
are things that we can get done federally, women's reproductive freedom,
black maternal health. I mean, all these different things that
have to get done that covers everybody. And that's why
I'm surprised and invite people in to obviously support the campaign,
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because this is to be a national movement to grab
this seat, and then we should pick off another seat
in the next cycle, and pick off another seat in
the next cycle. From a national perspective, there's only been
twelve black US centers in the history of the country.
If we had twelve right now, we'd still be underrepresented
in terms of population. Right There's been a higher percentage
of black US presidents than black US senators. It's the
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toughest position to get in. Then yes, Wow, so it's
one out of forty six. I'm not a math genius Charlemagne,
but that's two point two percent, twelve out of two
thousand and three. Wow, that's zero point five percent.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Think about that and why? The reason why is the
real powers in the sent When I was at Harvard
Law School, my constitution law professor would say all the time,
the real powers in the Senate. It's the most powerful
deliberative body in politics in the world because one hundred
people make the decision about two crucial things in this country.
Number one, confirming lifetime appointments of federal judges. We see
how that affects us down the line. And number two,
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deciding how your money gets spent.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's not glorified.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
People don't talk about the Senate as much as they
talk about being president, or talk about vice president, or
talk about even some of the other things.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's just not glorified.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
The president doesn't control the money, right, you know, My
grandmama used to say, if you want to know someone's priorities,
if you want to know an institution or a person,
see how they spend their money. And that's what it
is you know, Mark Pocan and Barber put Forth the
bill called People over the Pentagon. It was one hundred
billion dollar reduction in Pentagon spending. You know, we have
we have people in office that keep rubber stamping the
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National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA two percent, raises three percent.
All of that doing is fattening the pockets and Department
of Defense contractors. We virtually have a US Senate of
people that have been bought and this is real. They've
been bought by DD contractors, they've been bought by Big Pharma.
They've been bought, and they make decisions based off that,
not decisions in support of the people's best interest. And
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that's what people have to realize. Don't check out because
of that, lean in because of that, take it back
because of that, And that's the energy that's happening. If
we give up, we've actually lost to the money interest
in the corporate collusion. We got to lean in because
people vote. We still have the power if we understand
our power and lean in.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Grab it's new tax. What's your no new tax pledge?
What is that?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh say, that's a pledge that the money's already there
right The seven point two trillion annual budget. It was
for the annual budget on Obama was four point two trillion,
and that included bank bailouts, and then it went up
to six point two COVID and Trump, and now we're
up to seven point two. We can't just keep taking
taking people's money because at the end of the day,
all that money is going to, like I said, DoD
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contract is not going to actually solve the problems that
people need healthcare, education, affordable housing. Imagine that, right, It's
not going back to the people. So we're gonna keep
taking the middle classes and the working classes money because
that's literally the working classes and middle classes are literally
who's supporting this country, right, Because if you make too much,
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you won't qualify for the earned income tax credit, and
if you if you and then if you don't make
enough to have offshore accounts and LLCs to hide your money,
so you're really not paying your fair share. All of
a sudden, who's really holding enough. We don't need to
take more people's money, We need to spend it differently.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
That's the key I want to ask you, because you're
a constitutional laws resident.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Well, I went to Harvard Law School. I got my
juris doctorate.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yes, Okay, Why aren't more people talking about the Supreme
Court being an illegitimate institution? Why aren't more people just
calling out the Supreme Court saying it's corrupt? Because my fear,
and I've said this to every elected official that's come
up here, let's just say the VP wins in November,
Donald Trump challenges the results of the election in light
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of all the recent rulings, the wilder rulings, the Supreme
Court is done from presidential community, accepting bribes, all of that.
What makes us think they wouldn't overturn the results of
an election and then it would be a constitutional crisis?
Why not declare a constitution from crisis now while you
still got Democrats in office?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Well, I mean I think, I think there's a couple
of things. But you're absolutely right. I mean you, but
but this isn't new. You go back to the Bush v.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Gore.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's right, you know, our Gore. A lot of these
problems we have now we probably wouldn't even exist in
this country. Again, I'll Gore won that election.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
There's no question. I was sitting in my wife's dorm room.
I wasn't even into politics, like that. But I used
to always be watching CNN, and I'm watching and they
announced them as the president. Right, they announced al going
to the president.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And the court took up. So so a couple of
things have to happen. I think that there's no question
we need reform. I wrote an op ed about judicial reform.
We need to expand the court. When the court was
said at nine justices, there were thirty eight million people
in this country. Now we have three hundred and sixty million,
plus tens of millions that aren't even countered in that number. Right,
So we need more people. They need they need to
handle a bigger case load. I want to see to
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expand to fifteen justices. Number one, number two. I do
believe that there should be a term limit in terms
of how long you're on the Supreme Court. I believe
you should still get a lifetime appointment to the federal bench,
because we don't We want to try to limit the
corruption and we don't want it to be like Congress,
where you know, the private enity say hey, you going
to be out in two years. You know, rule this way,
and we're going to make you a partner and pay
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you millions of dollars and so so. But you only
serve on the Supreme Court for eighteen years and then
you cycle off. And that way, if it's on a cycle,
every president could appoint two justices and then you don't
have the jerremandering of withholding appointments and all the stuff
that we've seen happen. So the system has to change
the way the appointments has to change. We can fix
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it by systemically. It's just like anything else. You know,
what's that quote by the guy I think it was
John Clear or something like that. He says, you don't
rise to the level of your goals, you fall to
the level of your systems. We have broken systems now
in government, citizens United We have a broken system of
the Supreme Court and the way the appointments happen. We
have broken systems that we have to fix for our democracy.
(31:30):
And so if we don't fix the systems, You're right,
you're going to continue to see these results. And there's
no question it could play out the way you just
said it.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Absolutely. I don't see why people don't think it will. Yeah,
I mean he challenged it in twenty twenty, right, that's right.
I just don't think in light of everything that they've
done recently, I don't see why they wouldn't overturn it
this year.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
If it's close, that's why you know it shouldn't. It
can't be close, you know, and in that state by state, right,
and but there's no reason to think it won't be closed. One. Yeah,
but that's the popular vote. So so here's an interesting
statistic about the Supreme Court. You know, only one of
the Republican appointees has been appointed by a president that
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won the popular vote. Only one.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That that's wild. So you're literally talking about a representation
in the on the highest court appointed by individuals who
won the presidency that did not win more individual votes by.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Americans would be that one.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
No, no, no, And I'm saying Republican Clarence Thomas, right,
so so so George Bush one, you know that the
first one. He So you think about this, think about
how the manipulation of the system has happened to create
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the ability to govern by a minority rule. And but
that's historic too. I mean you go back to I mean, listen,
we got two senators in every state, Wyoming, North Dakota,
South Dakota. They got fewer people the Metro Detroit and
they got two senators each. And so there's no question
that there is an imbalance. And that's why I say
(33:12):
to people, when we got an opportunity to grab a
Senate seat, we need to grab at it, you know,
because it's already imbalanced with with the fact that those
those states like that that are solo population have two senators.
I mean, California has forty million people. Niggas got two senators,
you know what I mean, that's wild, that's wild.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
If you lose, would you go back to acting?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Man? Haven't I've been working so hard, I haven't eve
thought about it, you know. Maybe you know, I've never
been the type of person that's think anything I do,
I just I go all in and and then you know,
I don't do plan bs. I've never imagined plan bees.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
They still reaching out to you, agents to reaching out
to you for parts and stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I don't even know. I don't even talk to them. Yeah, yeah,
it's not it's not even that, man, it's you know,
I mean, I really and this may sound crazy to y'all,
but like on the show, like The Good Doctor, I
was saving lives, you know, and pretend and I really
feel in this world, I can save lives for real,
And so I'm so being so all in on it
(34:13):
and just working as hard as I can, meeting people.
And because I truly still believe, and maybe it's a
Pollyannis view and maybe I'm totally delusional, I still believe.
You meet people where they are, you look them in
the eye, they feel you. Ultimately, we can win. If
you do the right thing, we can win. And that's
why I tell my eight year old son. So if
I'm telling my eight year old son that, I gotta
(34:33):
believe it. But he did say to me the other day,
he said, Daddy, are you gonna win? And I said,
if more people vote for me than the other person,
I win. He said, well, but are you going to
I said, I don't know. But the only thing I control,
I said. I can't control the outcome, but I can
control how hard I work. And so that's it, just
working as hard as I can and allowing people to
(34:55):
into the process. Senators get to hire sixty tow one
hundred people think about this, No one even thinks about it,
and I go everywhere else. How many y'all know you've
had two senators your whole life?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How many.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Y'all know ten people that worked in those offices. No
hands go five people, no hands go, three people, no
hands go, two people, one person. People don't even know
it's the most powerful federal body in their life that
should be giving them direct constituency services. But they never
even meant anybody that they've been completely under unrepresented. And
that's what we have to change. We have to rethink
what the Senate is. Senate has to be service. It
(35:26):
can't be what it's been, which has basically bought politicians.
Trying to figure out how to spend your money and
distribute it in a way that's not in your best
interest doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
I got one more question. What changes do the Democratic
Party need to make now that they do have this
new energy we've seen like over the last week and
a half. You know what Vice President Kamala Harris, the
way she's energized the party, the way she seemed to
have bought in the party together. But what changes do
the Democratic Party need?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I think you said it originally courage. Courage is my
favorite word in the English language etymology or the rule
of the word. If you speak French, you know at
me his heart you gotta get it back to the
heart and not you know, everybody, you can see the fake.
You can see the fake. And that's what crushed Hillary Clinton.
(36:14):
You know, I met you know, I got invited over
to her house one time in Washington and I walked
in with my friend who had worked for them, and
I met this woman with some jeans and a T
shirt charming, smart, funny, and I literally was sitting there
having a glass of wine looking at her as just
the three of us, and I'm staying in my head,
(36:36):
if this woman had run for president, she would have
wiped the floor. But that pants suit over fake version,
there's no I don't The person I met in the
living room was completely different and so in the same
thing they were doing with propping up President Biden, that's
(36:58):
not in the best interest of people. It's very easy,
open up your heart. What's in the best interests of people?
It's not about over coaching somebody. It's not about trying
to prop them up and figuring out the machinations of
how do we win. It's about doing the right thing.
And if the Democratic Party gets back to that core,
then we'd win every election, because how are you losing
an argument to a populace on the other side. It
(37:21):
just doesn't make sense. People are literally voting against their
own self interest because they feel more authenticity from the
other side.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Yeah, simple, I say it all the time, even with
the Vice President's That's what I've been happy to see
a lot more over the last few months, but especially
over the last couple of weeks. The person that we
know that we've had conversations with off the air, the
heart that we see, we're starting to see that we are.
And if we see that over the next hundred days,
it won't it won't even be close.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I completely agree. And that's why I hope someone doesn't
get in your ear and starts to try to over coach,
and I don't think it'll happen. You know why, because
it's not like she's got meaning. It's almost like, once
you're in the seat, you can relax. So, yeah, she's
not trying to outcompete somebody, and so it's not trying
to figure out, well, what do I do to outcompete.
It's just like, just be yourself because you already got it.
(38:13):
You already got the experience, you already have the intelligence,
you already have the infrastructure. Now just listen. You could
be more bold, more full of heart and bring that
it's beautiful. I think we're in a great inflection moment
in this country, and I'd love to be her partner
in the Senate for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Now, if people want to support you, how can he
support you?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They go straight to Hill Harper dot com. And your
support means so much. We are one week away from
August sixth, the election, and there's early voting happening right now,
and basically anything that comes in now what we do
is put a right back out for voter education. We
buy time on radio, we buy time on television and
all of that just to say, let people know we
win this thing if enough people actually go vote. You know,
(38:54):
no question. High turnout we win. Low turnout, we lose.
That's just that's the real and so we have to
it was a campaign. So if you go to Hill
Hopper dot com, two dollars makes a difference, y'all. That's real.
He buys a yard sign, It does all this stuff
that we can actually repurpose quickly.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
So thank you all right, Well he'll hop o.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Ladies and gentlemen, make sure you go out and vote
August sixth in Michigan, and it's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
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