INTERVIEW: Jasmine Crockett Talks Gun Reform, Charlie Kirk, The Harris Campaign, Texas Redistricting + More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know. Every day waiting up the Breakfast Club,
y'all dump yep's well, the Most Dangerous Morning showed the
Breakfast Club Charlamagne and the God DJ and Bey and
Jess hilarious on here.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
But Layen LaRosa is and we got a special guest.
She goes by the name of congress Woman Jasmine Kracka.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
I'm making it?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
How you feeling?

Speaker 4 (00:21):
It's tough. It's a tough time.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
It's a tough time in this country for all people
in general, but obviously as someone who isn't afraid to
speak her mind, our country is truly falling apart, and
it is devolving into next level chaos as well as
next level of violence.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I hate to say it.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You were one of the first people that I thought
about after I saw what happened with Charlie Kirk, because
you know, I don't I don't want that to happen
to anybody. I don't think anybody should be killed because
of their opinion, are attacked because of their opinion, and
you know what, what what happens over there definitely will happen,
you know, on this side, and that definitely makes somebody
like you wo were talking.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yeah, I mean there were so many people that immediately
reached out from all over and was like, what is
going on with your security? Like we need to make
sure that you're good, like are you somewhere safe? And
I had to make sure that I called my mom
because I knew that my mom would just want to
hear my voice.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
It really shouldn't be that way.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
And we now are engaging in conversations again about the
safety or lack thereof for elected officials that are in Congress.
I mean, I have to pay for my own security, like,
so I have to raise money to keep myself safe
because they will not pay to take care of us,
even though the other two branches of government they pay

(01:39):
for their protection. So, you know, hopefully we can engage
in some real conversations around what it looks like to
get us some real safety. But also we need to
engage in like what really does cross the line?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Like, so we do have free speech in this country,
but are you free to say just any and everything?

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Like, I mean there are limits to all of our
constitutional protection as well as like what kind of standard
are we going to hold ourselves too? When you were sitting,
say in the oval office or you know, in the house,
like how far will you go? And so, you know,
I hate that some of my colleagues on the other
side of the aisle immediately came out and they were like, oh,

(02:16):
you know, this is on the Democrats, like we don't
even know who did what, and y'all are like, this
is on the Democrats, right, Like, I mean, obviously the
first thing that you know, anybody would say, and you
didn't have any Democrats that went out there and said otherwise,
is like, we're denouncing political violence, but we're just assuming,
like and we just want to be clear, like there,
we're not down for political violence, but that doesn't mean

(02:39):
that that's what it was, right, Like, we know that people,
especially me, I'm having done criminal defense, most offenses.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like this were personal in the first place.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Now I'm not saying that this was a personal thing,
but I'm saying, like the fact that this can't be
personal is is wild, right, Like the fact that they
are presuming that this is somebody that came from our
side of the eye.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
We know that in the savior it is dangerous.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
It is dangerous, and even still even if it came
from our side of the aisle, let's assume the worst.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Okay, so let's talk about it.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Let's talk about what quote unquote radicalized him, right, Like
we've seen writings and manifestos and we've seen where it
looks like the two people that went after the president
before he was the president had ties to the Republican Party,
like they had not voted Democratic, they were registered as Republicans, like,
so let's talk about it. We know that there were

(03:32):
members of Congress that left the House last session because
they received threats, not from liberals, they received threats from
MAGA because literally they would not vote for the mega
candidate to become Speaker of the House. So we've got
to talk about, like what it means when you're running
for president or you're running for one of these higher
offices and you go out there and you talk about

(03:52):
beating people up. You go out there and you say
things like I could shoot somebody in the middle of
the street in New York and I could still win.
We got to talk about, like that is next level
me disagreeing with you, me calling you you know, I
wanna be hitler. All those things are like not necessarily
saying go out and hurt somebody, But when you're literally
telling people at rallies, yeah, beat them up and that

(04:15):
kind of stuff, like you are promoting like a culture
of violence. So we need to talk about like what
it looks like when you don't promote a culture of violence.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think, I mean, the funny part is not funny,
but both sides of the isle do it. So it's like,
you know, they'll get on y'all of you know. I'm
saying that, hey, we call them wanna be hitler blah
blah blah. But they call democrats fascists.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
They call us socialists, they call us all things. But
I don't think that that actually evokes an environment of violence.
I think literally saying things about like, oh, these people
don't deserve to live, or the images of what we're
seeing right now as ice is going into communities and
dragging people and kicking them and taking them down to

(04:55):
the ground and busting windows out, like that is the call.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
We have never seen these types of images of ice.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Right Or the idea that you had people that went
in on January sixth and they literally beat law enforcement.
We had people that died and on day one and
they were convicted. We're talking about over a thousand people arrested.
We're talking about convictions that they either pled to or
they went to trial and they were found guilty and
some of them got twenty years or so.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
And then on day one you say, let me let
them go.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
And we know that since those people have been let go,
that at least one got caught up for a murder plot,
another one ended up with a reckless homicide, another one ended.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Up with child porn. We know that at least.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Ten of them ended up with new cases for doing
other things. And so it's like we have the criminal
that I would call injustice system. But the idea is
supposed to be that, like, you know, you do bad,
we gonna put you up so that people maybe will
be deterred from doing bad. But it's almost like bad
behavior being rewarded. And if like, the worst that I

(06:03):
can say is like that I understand history that you're
trying to take out of like the schools, and that
the balance of power is out of balance, and that
you are operating as a dictator by invoking quote unquote
emergency powers illegally consistently, that you are constantly violating the constitution.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
These are just facts.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
That doesn't mean that I want somebody to go out
and hurt the President of the United States. In fact,
when there was when those attempts took place in a
bipartisan way, we voted to raise the amount of money
that is allowed and allotted to protect him. So no,
I can say that your policies are bad. I can

(06:45):
say you're a criminal because you have been found guilty
of thirty four convictions. Like I can say all these
things because they are true. That's not even just free speech.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
These are just facts.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
So don't get mad that I speak the truth and
I speak fact. But I literally have never said anything
to invoke violence. And I challenged somebody to go and
find a clip of a Democrat invoking violence. Right now,
everybody's gotten so sensitive. I woke up and a friend
sent me a text message where somebody else had been

(07:17):
fired for repeating Charlie Kirk's words, right like, they're firing
people and they're canceling people because people have gone out
and looked at some of the things that he said.
I'm gonna be honest, I never said a word about
Charlie Kirk, like he wouldn't know my radar, like I wasn't.
I don't go and follow the right wing special people
like I don't like, it's just not I got.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Other things to do.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
And some of my friends who had never heard of him,
were like, let's dig, let's figure out who is he? Right,
because people are like, this is coming up on our
feed and we don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
We don't know who it is.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
And literally I didn't know he had ever talked about me,
and I guess it was recently, but like I had
never seen it. I never paid attention to it whatever,
you know what I mean. And that's kind of where
we got to get to. But I think ever talking
about who should die, ever saying who should be beat up,
ever saying who doesn't deserve to live, you know, taking
people and throwing them in cages to the extent that

(08:12):
they're literally dying. I mean, we've had more in custody
depths as relates to ice. We're on record to hit
a record for that, and so like, are we going
to have these real conversations. On that same day, we
had kids that were shot again at another school, and

(08:34):
there's been no conversation around those kids.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And the thing is, what did they do wrong? Nothing?
They showed up to school.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
That's what happened with them, right, And so you know,
we've got to talk about the culture of guns in
this country and what it looks like to truly understand
what the Second Amendment stands for. And it doesn't mean
that everybody got to be the wild wild West. And
now can we have a conversation about everybody had guns
doesn't necessarily prevent gun violence.

Speaker 6 (09:02):
I was going to ask you, do you think now
we'll see some change in gun reform and all the
things since it's happening on No.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
No, I mean it has become to the extent that
people worship their weapons, and it's it's it's it's crazy, right,
like I mean, and we're not talking about you know,
they always want to say if if Democrats talk about
gun reform, they're like, oh, they're taking your guns. And
I'm like, yo, I'm licensed security and I'm licensed and

(09:32):
I got guns, right, and this, you know, goes back
to my days of doing criminal defense. So like, yes,
I know how to shoot, you know, obviously I never
want to have to shoot.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Can we stay there for a second, because you said
a lot, but I want to stay there for a second.
Please explain to people, cause I believe in the Second
Amendment to when we talk about common sense gun reform.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
What does that look like? Yes, so nobody wants to
take guns away.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
No, nobody's trying to take your guns away. So we
can talk about the fact that they are currently seemingly
struggling a little bit as it relates to the Charlie
kirkshooting in general, right, because they're trying to figure out
who bought what, Like this is about simple things like
you can't buy it, you.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Know, unless there is a background check.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
You can't buy it unless like we literally have you
document it on that weapon. And we have so many
ways for weapons to get into people's hands and it's
not documented. And so in this particular circumstance, it clearly
isn't clear.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
The dude left the weapon.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
It should be as simple as this belongs to such
the same thing with our cars, right, Like we get
tagged with our cars.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
Even if you decide, yo, I'm gonna sell it to
my cousin down the street, what do you gotta do
register it?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
He gotta get a license on it, right.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
So, like they don't even want to close like the
gun show loophole. So that we can at least know
who it is that is supposed to have this weapon,
and then you end up in air circumstance like this,
which obviously you know it's too late. But at the
same time, if they're going to prevent other tragedies from happening,

(11:08):
you can do it a lot quicker if you can
literally just track the weapon.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Like that's it. Like, that's a very simple thing to
talk about.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
And then obviously the background checks, we want them because
some people have been classified as not.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Being mentally stable.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
So don't come at us after the fact and be like, oh,
it's mental health, well, bro, Like if a court has
already deemed that, why should we be given this person
a firearm, Like we should have to have background checks
on everybody that's getting a firearm from anybody.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
So it's just very simple stuff like that's it.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like I feel like if there isn't a shifting gun
loss after you know, the mass shootings we saw this week,
after the shooting of Charlie Kirk, then Republicans really need
to do some soul search. And the reason I say
that when you know, when you heard Charlie Kirk himself
say a couple of deaths here and there, you know,
it's worth it to keep our Second Amendment right. So
I always wonder, you know, that's that's easy to say,

(12:00):
but what about when that death is you ow and
that define is somebody that you love. And then the
fact that he was actually talking about gun violence when
he got shot. If y'all believe in God, like y'all say,
y'all do, Republicans, it's time to have a real conversation.
Because if that's not a sign, I don't know what is.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
No, I mean it is, you know. I wondered if
they had something to do with it, because I was like,
how in the heck did he get shot in the
moment that he was talking about gun violence, Like he
was literally answering questions about gun violence. But I do
think that it is time for them to say we
can have a conversation about gun reform.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
And it not be the end of the world.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
And one of those things that I really think, you know,
Cash Hotel is actually supposed to come before my Judiciary
committee here shortly, I think next week maybe, and we'll
see if it ends up getting pushed off with everything
that's going on.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
But I do want.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
To ask, like would it be helpful if everyone was
required to have something so that we can track these guns?

Speaker 7 (13:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Because not being able to pick up that firearm and
say it belongs to this person and be done and
be like we about to go get that person because
this is who it belongs to. Now, granted, I don't
know what information they had on that firearm, if anything.
And this is this is not even getting into ghost guns.
We ain't even talking about that, right, Like, let's just
talk about like the basics and who can be held liable.

(13:24):
And the gun lobby is just very strong, you know.
The gun lobby is like, eh, we here for it,
you know what I mean? Like guns go wild, like
they just want to sell, sell selle. But at what
point in time do we evaluate and say how much.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Is too much?

Speaker 5 (13:39):
And when are we gonna make some changes? And I
don't know, but hopefully we can have a real conversation.
But I honestly don't think that it should take someone
that you value, you value their lives more than you
value you know, innocent children or whatever before we can
have a real conversation.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
The gun lobby is are the reason that Congress is
to deliver on.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
That's one of the main reasons that you know they
haven't right. And I do applaud those, you know, local
law enforcement agencies that are doing like gun buybacks and
things like that and really trying to pull guns off
the streets.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
That is so helpful.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
We have seen gun violence be reduced when you have
your local law enforcement that are doing those programs, but
they can't stop the gun violence by themselves, like they're
trying to do something because state and federal government is
not doing anything. And I think that I think we
really should have a real conversation, but I think we
should have a real conversation after any senseless gun violence

(14:39):
takes place, and unfortunately we've not been able to have
that conversation. So we'll see if we can engage now.
But right now, I think the focus is just on
how do we figure out who it is that committed
this painous offense and where do we go? How do
we prevent it Number one from happening to somebody else?
What is our responsibility those of us that are in

(15:01):
higher office and have these big microphones. And third of all,
is there any policy fixes that could hopefully also prevent
some of this from happening.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I want to know what policy changes or even
like enhanced security protocol you think is necessary for you know,
public political events after something like that.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
So it's interesting because as I was waiting to come in,
someone was telling me that one of his security advisors
had actually recently, maybe within the last month, said that
they need to make sure that he's actually got like bulletproof,
like a plexiglass of sorts. Yes, yes, supposedly that happened.

(15:41):
I haven't read up, but literally, you know, one of
my staffers is I was coming in, so I think that,
you know, number one, a lot of us talked about
this weekend and the fact that it may be dangerous
for us to be out. It's always dangerous for us
to be out. But if you've got like outdoor rallies
and things like that, that maybe like cancel them because

(16:02):
even now, you know, again on social media or otherwise,
I never uttered Charlie Kirk's name, but my staff has
been enduring all types of threats in our office to
the extent that they are increasing the policing around the
places that I live right now. And it's like, how

(16:22):
am I like.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
In this because you're one of the most high profile, outspoken,
controversial public figures on the left.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
But I don't matter.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
If somebody was looking to get some get back, that's
what they would, they would, that's what they're like.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
What happened at the HBCU campus is.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Correct, And that's the thing. It's like, first of all,
black people ain't have nothing to do with this. We
wasn nowhere near Utah.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
You know, so I'm like, how how was the response
to go after black students?

Speaker 7 (16:49):
You know?

Speaker 5 (16:50):
And it's interesting because I was talking to one of
my best friends who graduated from Gramblin and I was like,
you know, is grambling on lockdown? Because like it was
just kind of like in the moment, and it's like
we're getting these alerts about this school and that school,
Hampton and all these different schools.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
I was like, what is happening? And I was like,
and why are we in this?

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Right? Like, what is it that students on an HBCU
campus have to do with this?

Speaker 6 (17:15):
Right?

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Like this that wasn't a place that let me point
this out. We have had school shootings that have taken
place on all types of campuses, and there are those,
specifically on the right that always want to put out
this idea that black folk are dangerous and criminal and
we just have more of a propensity to commit crimes

(17:36):
and things like that. Do you know how many school
shootings we've had at an HBCU zero zero, one of
the safest campus that you can be a safe haven?
And it is It is interesting because those campuses were
created out of kind of this segregation idea, but we
don't do it like we like, it's not I mean,

(18:00):
and the idea that you know, as soon as it
happened and the next thing you know, the trans community
is under attack again, right because they said that the
Minnesota is shooting was a trans woman I believe, And
so because it was a trans person, they're like, oh,
this is what happens. But I was like, so, we're
not gonna talk about white supremacy, Like, we're not going
to talk about the fact that the vast majority of

(18:22):
these shootings, whether they are seen as political or not,
if we look at the numbers, white supremacy ideology. But
we don't want to do anything about that. There's no
legislation that they want to bring. Every time you say
white supremacy, they want to yell, oh, you're race baiting. No,
I am going on facts like these crimes. When we

(18:44):
look at these mass shootings, most of them are linked
to neo Nazism or you know, pow boys or whatever.
It's always some white supremacy kind of thing that's going on.
It's not black folks that are going out there, it's
not immigrants that are going out there.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
But what cities are we going into?

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Black cities because we are supposedly the ones that commit
all the crime which people? Are we going after immigrants
because allegedly it's immigrants, But we don't want to have
a talk about what the numbers say with the facts say,
which is that we have a white supremacy problem in
this country. So until we decide to deal with the problem,
we're going to continue to have a problem.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I get it. None of it
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Like you know, even whoever killed Charlie Kirk, that person
didn't even have a reason to do that.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
There's never a reason to kill it, not just for
their opinions.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
So I understand what y'all a say when y'all saying, yo,
somebody like jazz, we don't have anything to do with that.
And I'm not speaking that over you at all. But
I'm just saying, if you're an outspoken person with a
microphone on the left, you should have your head on the.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Swivel, right, you just should.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
And you said something about freedom of speech to I
do believe everybody has freedom of speech. I don't believe
you're free from the consequences of that speech. And I
feel like all free speech is not free. It comes
with a price, and you don't get to set that
price because you don't know what your words may do
to somebody else, especially when we're talking about somebody who
may be mentally ill or ain't rap too type.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, you know, no, that's I mean, that's a really
good point.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
But like legitimately, like when we look at case law,
there are people that go out and say, oh, Second Amendment,
so I have no limits. I could just do whatever
I want to with guns, And that's pretty much been
the attitude of the right.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
That is not true. Same thing with the First Amendment.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Like, yes, you have free speech, but even when you
think about people that decide that they're going to protest.
If you're going to decide that you're going to protest,
say in New York City, then you can't just be like, well,
I'm about to be out in these streets and that's that.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Like usually there are parameters.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
They can't you Obama on an airplane.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, exactly the same thing, like the movie theater example
that they always give. So like there are limitations for
every single constitutional right that we have. And it's more
so a balancing test, right, Like it's like how much
harm versus what you want to do as an individual right. Granted,
like we have our greatest protections that we're supposed to have,
our greatest protections when it comes to the Constitution. But

(21:05):
right now what we're seeing is a country that is
saying free speech for me, but not free speech for
thee right. If you say something I don't like, that's
not covered under free speech, and that's not really what
free speech is about. That is one of the things
that make us this unique democracy is that you can
engage in saying some of the wildest stuff ever. But
like doesn't mean that you should go out and ever

(21:27):
say that like oh yeah, it's yeah that person should
die or this person. No, Like that's that's that's crossing lines.
And granted I know that you're most likely not gonna
but if you start to incite. That's where we get
a lot of our incitement laws from, because if you
start to incite violence with your words, then you don't
get the free speech protections.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think we I think we all incite, whether we
think we do or not. And what I mean by
that is I've definitely, you know, called that regime fascist.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, if you hear somebody call call him Hitler, what
he calls us racist scumbags. Yeah, if there's some white
supremacist lunatic who thinks you and me as a racist scumbag,
let me take that racist comeback out. If there's somebody
that thinks, oh, Hitler, and then they look at somebody,
they look at a lot of the actions that are
going on, they're like, well, let's let's prevent this before
you know, four million people get killed. Like, so I

(22:17):
can understand how all of it, Yeah, incites violence?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, no, I could see it.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
But as far as whether or not, you know, what
we are supposed to look at is if you're just
looking at the words by themselves and you're taking the
ordinary person standard is what we typically would say in
the law. The ordinary person would not say that incites violence.
But when you do say things like these people deserve

(22:43):
to die, that is different, right, That is different from
literally just teaching somebody history, right, And it's it's one
of the things that we've seen with their snowfake snowflake
you know, theology right around around history, right, it's like,
oh no, no, we don't want people to know that

(23:05):
slavery was bad. Well just imagine how my ancestors felt
going through it, right, Like I mean, just like what
are we talking about, right, But you should know, you
should know why you shouldn't make jokes and granted you've
got free speech or whatever, but you shouldn't be making
jokes about enslavement people because like literally, like there's a
real history that is connected to that. But like this

(23:26):
idea of like, oh, well, somebody gonna go out and
kill somebody like that is not your ordinary person's standard.
Like it needs to be where if we're looking at
a blank slate, just a normal person, it should be
the very clear things like I mean, what we saw
happen on January sixth, and it was propagated by the

(23:47):
now re elected President of the United States. He incited
a violent mob period and he was indicted for doing
so unfortunately he never got his day in court for
all of us because I thought, well, I didn't. We're
not always were not plenty. I just saying, and I

(24:10):
was just saying.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
President Biden and Marrigad, I want to ask you about
that too, right, What did you think about uh Kamala
Harris formay VP Kamala Harris her extra from her book
where she finally speaks her truth in regards to the
Biden administration and how they wouldn't come to her defense,
how they helped the spread negative narratives about her.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
What did you think of that?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I so, so that day I was at work, so
I haven't read through it. And that was the Charlie
Kirk day as well, so I was stuck for until
like nine pm at the Capitol. I will say this
as a national co chair on that campaign, when I
had an opportunity to talk to the Vice President as

(24:52):
frankly and honestly as I typically speak, maybe with even
more franklin on some of my cuss words, that is
how I would talk to the VP. And there were
a lot of people that did not understand why and
how the VP ever picked me.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
As a national culture it.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
Is not every day that you have a black woman
freshman that ends up becoming a national culture on what
truly was a historic campaign, no matter what the results
ultimately were. And one of the reasons is because she
never had to worry about me backtapping her, like being
ten toes down, like telling her and I wasn't one

(25:35):
of those surrogates. It's like, oh, send me and have
me do a rally. No, no, no, no, I'm trying to
get in the streets. I'm trying to talk to the
real people. And then I would try to report back
to her and let her know, like, Yo, this is
what I'm feeling in the streets, that kind of stuff,
because I never wanted anything other than her to win,
because I was a win for the American people. And

(25:56):
I think that people took for ran it how perceptive
she was of who it was that literally her riders were.
It is one of the reasons that we saw Secretary
Fudge being elevated as one of her national CoA chairs.
Another person that when the history books are written, there

(26:18):
will be so many black women electeds that will talk
about kind of all that Secretary Fudge has been to
so many of us behind the scenes so I will
say that I am not surprised, because you know, there
were a lot of things that were going on. Number One,
we had those that were trying to push Biden out,

(26:40):
but they weren't just trying to push Biden out. They
were trying to push her out. They didn't want her
to become the nominee. They had their pick in mind,
and it wasn't either one of them. And you know,
I remember tweeting when it was actually decent to do.
I remember tweeting out and saying that I would only
go and bust my ass for one candidate, and that

(27:02):
would be the vice president. If they came up with
anybody else, God bless them good luck, But I'm not
about to run myself ragged when y'all decided to kind
of do this. So there's so many layers to what
it is to be an elected office, and it is
always tough to build a team of trust. It is
what matters most. You can teach somebody the skills, but

(27:23):
you can't teach anybody to literally have your back. And
politics is such an ugly game that it is so important,
and so the bigger your team gets, the more difficult
it is. Now do I believe that the president himself
did anything against the vice president. I don't everything that
I know about Joe Biden as well as the VP,

(27:48):
she never backstabbed him to.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Be like, oh, this is my chance, let me try
to get it. Nothing like that.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
And you can't have a vice president there's always gunning
for your job. You have to have a vice president
that is like riding out and gonna do the things.
And so I think between the two of them, while
I've not read her book at this point in time,
I feel absolutely confident that she never backstabbed him. He
never backstabbed her. But when it comes to staff, life

(28:15):
gets real. Yeah, life gets real tricky.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
She said in the episode that the Lantic Drop that
she found out that the staff was like adding to
like the moment, so like, for instance, she would like
work on something super important for the country, but instead
they would lean into remembror when they said that she
tried to fake the French accent and that was like
a whole thing. She said that she felt like they
would amplify moments like that so people didn't understand how
she was really in the rooms, really fighting for different things.

(28:41):
And basically it would like turn people away from her
resume or you just wouldn't know how important she was
to her position.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, I will say that.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
So there's a group of black women in Congress, we're
a little younger. We have a signal chat and we
have that safe space. Not only our chat, but we
get together, we do dinners, that kind of stuff, because
it is you know, people see us and they see
us being challenged from the outside.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
They see the right challenging us and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
But people don't understand how much people within our own
orbit try to undermine us, including staff, right, Like they
forget that your name is on the door, Like there
is a culture in DC even when we look at
the house and that kind of stuff, Like you have
people that have been there forever. Like when I came in,
people were like, how you gonna bring this person? I

(29:32):
was like, cause my name is on the door. I
brought people that I knew had my back. I brought
kids that had interned with me, and they were like,
they have no healed experience. I was like, yeah, that's fine,
they're smart. And literally, I mean my kids get tapped
all the time. Literally one of them took a really big,
good job and I was. So he was sad, he
was crying when he left me, but I was like,

(29:53):
this is a great opportunity. And so and I still
have a number I mean kids that graduated college at
twenty that I I had as interns when I was
in the state House that are now still with me
on the hill. And that is because I didn't need
people coming in thinking that just because they heal people,
they gonna run me.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
But that is how the hell is run where you have.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
These staffers, especially when it comes to black women, where
they try to undermine us at every turn.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
And you can even be.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
The vice president of the United States and running to
staff that, for whatever reason, believe that they have the
right to undermine you, and they will and they play
you because you're in a political position. So there's only
so much that you can do because it's not like
running your own shop or whatever that ain't got nothing
to do with politics, where it's just about profit, Like

(30:44):
your profit is people and the people's perception of you.
And if the people closest to you are saying things
that are contradictory to who you are, like it's a
whole game.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
And so it's very.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Difficult and truly. I remember the same group of women
that I'm talking about. The Vice president would bring us
over to her home, so the Vice President's residence, and
we would sit down and we would have dinner, and
it would be those moments that we could talk about,
like what some of our challenges are beyond just the

(31:19):
normal that goes into the job.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
It is.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
It is what black women face kind of in general,
in any space that they walk into.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
There was never built to accept them. I'm right, yeah,
we did.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
So to your point, because when I read the EPSURD,
I understood one hundred percent. Even before she came out
and said all these things, I could look at her
and see because I've been in the shoes of what's happening.
I've haven't been Vice president, but I've been a black
woman in the space.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Right. But why did she not say something before?

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Now?

Speaker 7 (31:53):
We were all there with her, like we would have rolled.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
We actually weren't.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
We were. We were to a certain extent.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I think I rocked with the VP. A lot of
people were not.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
Well, how maybe because of my family house.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
A lot of revision is history when it come to
the VP.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I was out there campaigning with her back in twenty
twenty guys and they gave their hand to me my ass.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
But you don't feel like when when we did the
whole Biden put her on the ticket thing, there was
a shift.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
In support for her, not necessarily amongst black people, not
necessarily amongst black people. So I'll be honest and I
think that number one. You know, again, I was a
fierce defender of hers before she was.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Ever the nominee or whatever. But I can remember where
people are like, where is she? What she doing?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
She ain't doing nothing right because when people went out
and voted, there were so many people that were voting
for her. Like they voted. They're like, oh, Joe's there,
but we like, we out, we voted forget it, did
shit so well. But I think that that was when
they ran as a ticket. I do think that she
had a lot more black support when Joe Biden was

(32:56):
running as president and she was running as vice president.
But again, they decided that she would have to meet
a higher standard than the average vice president. That's what
they decided because people are like, well, I voted for you,
so they're like, where is she right? Not understanding the
role of the vice president because it ain't nobody how
many people went out there and it was like, I'm

(33:16):
voting for jd Vance. No, they wasn't saying I'm voting
for jd Vance. They were voting for Trump. Jd Vance
just kind of happened to be there, right, And that's
typically how we do our tickets is you usually have
the star up here and then you never want anybody
who's gonna outshine you. But literally, I think that they
approached it more so as a partnership because when Joe

(33:37):
Biden served as vice president to Obama, it was more
like a partnership, and I think people just wanted to
see her more because I would hear it and I'm like, well,
tell me what Dick Schiney was doing.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Like tell me and I'd be like, name five of
the vice presidents.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Right, And if you couldn't, then I'm like, y'all, y'all
are putting more on her than the role actually allows
for now. I do think that we also have to
be cognizant of that when we walk into spaces that
typically we're not in, we do have to do more.
It's unfortunate, it's not right, but we do. And so,

(34:12):
like it was only within that one hundred and seven
days that people could start to see, no, this is
who she is. And I think a few more days
and we would have been fine. But one hundred and
seven day a little over three months to run any
campaign is wild, let alone to run a presidential And
it also she also was forced into an infrastructure that

(34:35):
was built for Joe Biden and she ain't Joe Biden, right,
but like, you can't build your own presidential infrastructure in
that short amount of time, so you tried to like
plug and play somebody that like that's not who she was.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
And you would.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
See as time was going on, she was really hitting
her own stride, right, that fit her versus her kind
of being forced into this space. But I don't think
that coming out and saying well staff did this or that,
then they would have looked at her and they would
have said she was weak.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
They would have said, oh.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
She's complaining, she's given excuses. Those are the things they
would have done a lot of times. It's a lot
of stuff that goes on with us, but like us
saying something is not gonna get us anywhere, Like we
literally just got to be like whatever, because we always
have more obstacles no matter who we are no matter
what we're doing, we're always gonna have more obstacles. And
ain't nobody trying to hear that you couldn't get it

(35:28):
done because of the obstacles, like they just look at
you and and to me, it would have played into
this persona of the Democrats is that we're weak. And
so I think like doing a tell all and you know,
dissecting what happened for the people, giving people like the
inside of you afterwards is fine. But I think in

(35:49):
that moment when you're looking for the commander in chief
of the biggest, best, strongest nation in the world, complaining
about staff is not going to steal that type of confidence.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I don't think she should have complained about staff.
And you're right about everything you're saying in regards to
the VP. But times changed and they changed a lot.
So for somebody like the Vice president, I would have
liked to see and I told her she should do this.
I would have liked to seeing her out the way
you see JD. Vance out, Meaning you see JD. Vance
on these Sunday morning news shows all the time. You
see Jdvans popping up on these podcasts. Everybody knew Joe

(36:23):
Biden wasn't going to be a popular president. All his
polling numbers always showed it. So being at your number
two on the ticket, I know they don't want you to,
but you should be thinking about your future. And I
think that if she would have did that early on,
like just calling Breakfast Club every now and then popping
up on D. L. Hugley show, showing up on these
Sunday morning those shows, so when they know you, God forbid,

(36:44):
it is something that would have happened to Biden did
he ended up having to step down. They would have
known you already, so you would have had to try
to get people to get to know you.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
One hundred yes, No, stay ready, so you ain't got
to get ready. I agree.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And you do a phenomenal job of just being out there,
not because you're seeking to be out there. You just
got that type of magnetic personality and when you pop
up on camera, you pop.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
But you're honest and you're straight to it. And I
think that was the thing, like we I know, my
I'm gonna stop saying we. I was waiting for Kamala
to be just here's like we're seeing things.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (37:15):
Like what you're like our person, and that didn't happen,
like even your Twitter account, Like when things happen, I
go to your Twitter because you talk about it so
regular and you're straight to it. I felt like we
didn't have that, Like now she's using the words like
reckless or you know, ambition and ego were Biden's issue
and things like that. But we all could have had.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
That conversation, y'all.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Don't y'all don't know how these how these handlers are
like like you, you would not you could not imagine
the amount of pushback I do, like internally, like I
would have staff. Again, this goes down to staff and
handlers and consultants, right, So I would have staff, especially

(37:54):
when I started, Like cause my tweets, if it's Jasmine
for us, it's me.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
It ain't nobody else.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
It's staff on my other accounts, right, but it is
me when it's Jasmine for us. So when I first
started doing stuff, I had stuff, They're like, oh, you
can't do that. I said, I'm sorry, why can't I?
I can do whatever I want to do, right, like,
and so I pushed back. I remember even other colleagues
after Marjorie and I had our situation.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
They were like, well, we don't we don't know if
you should have did that. That's cool.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Like ultimately, like if the people decide that they don't
want to re elect me because I decide that I'm
gonna show up and be myself and I'm gonna be
in defense of myself, which I don't know why you
could be convinced that I would fight for you somebody
that maybe I've never met, because I've not met every
single one of my voters, when I won't even defend myself.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Now, if y'all decide.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
That that's not the representation that you want, that is
perfectly fine with me because my life is a lot
simpler when I'm not in politics.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like that is okay, Like I am, I am okay
with it.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
But what happens is people say, well, the only way
you're gonna get here is if you do this, or
that I can tell you that there is no consult
that ever would have approached me or said that I
should be who I am and thought that I would
become one of the top fundraising members of the House period,
Like they would never have said be who I am.

(39:15):
And so again this goes into the fact that she
plugged into an apparatus that was not built for her. Right,
You're talking about Joe Biden, who had been an elected
official since he was in his twenties. You're talking about
an older white man. You're talking about something completely different
in the standards that are going to be set versus
a black woman and a woman just in general. So

(39:37):
having that apparatus of what Joe Biden can do or
should do, it is not the same as Kamala and
what she should do because she's gonna have to connect
on another way, right, Like they are going to Black
people specifically, are going to expect different of you. It's
not right, Right, they're both running for president. But if
you've got, you know, a white man running for president,

(39:57):
there's going to be like, well, I don't expect him
to really understand and all of our black issues are
necessarily talk about reparations, right, Like that's what they're gonna
do now. They running for the same dagon position, Right,
But when it comes to a black person or a woman,
then they are going to expect you to lean in
on some of those things. And so you've got to
have an apparatus or even understanding the media, right, understanding

(40:19):
what media should be done, Like, ain't nobody expecting Joe
Biden to show up on the Breakfast Club? Like they're
not right, But if you're going to be a black
candidate that I'm looking at and I'm saying, yes, she
for real, she one of us, then she's gonna.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Have to show up on the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Like.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
It's it's those little things about again, that system that
is set up, and it's like this ain't for you, right,
like because again you talk about he's going on the
Sunday morning shows and this now he doing a random
podcast or whatever, like the Spaces, and you started to
see her doing more of it towards the end. You know,
you saw her on the different podcast and that kind

(40:56):
of stuff. But that was when she started to say, Yo,
this ain't working, like I gotta flip it this way, right,
They did say that at some point in my mind
she did okay lesson, but I do feel like she
was going through what we typically go through behind the scenes,
where we're pushing back, and it was one of those
reasons that I always wanted to get to her because

(41:18):
I don't want to come to you afterwards and be like,
well you should have did this, and you should have
did that, like you put me on the team to
talk to me about what I'm getting from the streets
now so that.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
We can win.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Like I literally wanted her to win because I did
believe that Project twenty twenty five was real. I did
believe that this was going to cause so much more harm,
specifically to black people than anybody else. I did believe
that this guy was going to be bad for our economy.
I truly believe this. This wasn't me drinking some kool aid.
This was me reading. This was me listening as he

(41:51):
was talking about the tariffs. This was me understanding how
terrible his tariffs were before for us. This is me
understanding trade. This is me understanding foreign relations. I knew
that this guy was gonna be a disaster, so I
needed her to win, not just for me, but for
the people that I represent and frankly, for a lot
of people that voted for this guy to come in

(42:13):
and hurt them. I was fighting for them too.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
This is why I'm I'm actually glad about what she
wrote in her book. And it's not even about her
or her political future. It's about the future of the
Democratic Party. Because at some point, whoever the future of
the party is, even even the now at the party,
they have to tell the truth about the party. And
you gotta be willing to throw that old regime under
the bus. You gotta be able to say President Biden

(42:36):
shouldn't have, you know, ran for a second term. You
gotta be able to say, you know, if you felt
like Donald Trump was a real threat to democracy, like
the things you just laid out, you got to be
able to say, Marriy Garland drop the ball.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
You gotta be able to say, how Keen Jeffreys and
Chuck Schumer gotta go. You gotta call a thing a thing.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
I'm just saying I said I got fired.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
But you can't only call a thing a thing when
it's a Republican.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I think, no, no, no, I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
I think that you will not catch me on a
hot mic saying some of those things that you're talking about,
because it's kind of like anything else. It's like, you know,
we're black, right, so you think about the fights that
you have within your family. It's like in the streets,
we won, but like when we go in the house,

(43:24):
we don't have to hash some things out and that's
what I think we have not done a good job of.
Even when they decided to come after Joe Biden, it
was a very.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Public out of the house thing.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
No, we needed to have some conversations as family, and
that's what Democrats are bad at, Like we don't have
the family conversations. Are there people that maybe should not
be seeking re election right now in the House?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Probably?

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Right, you ain't gonna catch no names from me, Okay, probably,
But I don't think that it does us any good
to go out and then sow division because as the
Republicans love to come in and they will exploit those divisions, right,
and then all that does is make the party feel like, well, y'all,
I got your shit together?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
So I do think that we need to have these conversations,
and we really do need to have them behind closed doors,
and we really need to say either we can continue
to go the way that we're going, where yes, people
are upset with the Republicans, but they ain't happy with
us either, or we can say we've got to figure
out how we're going to fix this and what is working?
What do people respond to?

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Like we know that there's the drama about the New
York mayoral and all that that is going on. Right,
we know that there are certain figures that the old
Guard is not necessarily the most comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Right, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Governor Cavi Hokl do not want.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
To endorse governor I mean mayor candidate Mundani?

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yes, okay?

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Why And I'm you know, I don't live in I'm
a mine, my good texs is business. But but I'll
say though that like there really needs to be a
conversation even if there's not, like it's like a matter
of like, have the conversation taken place behind closed doors
about the concerns about the questions about the fears. Do

(45:20):
I believe that any of these persons that you just
named believe that Mandamie is actually a bad candidate.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
I don't think in my heart of hearts if they
actually believe that he is a bad candidate.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
One of their main lobbyists hasn't stamped them yet, and
that's Apax. So you know, until Apak says, you know what,
he's good with us.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
I'm not saying that that is or isn't I will
say though, that another thing that Republicans do is they
love to find someone that they feel like is very polarizing,
and then they bring that person onto other candidates. And so,
for instance, for a long time, they were doing all
these mailers and all these ads with Nancy Pelosi because

(46:09):
they had driven down Pelosi's like favorabilities amongst kind of
independence and some other folk, right, And so then they
would put it don't matter what the race is, they
just gonna be another Nancy Pelosi, Like that's what they
would do, right, And I do know that, you know,
those types of things kind of seep in.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
They used to do it with AOC all the time.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
I think that AOC's favorabilities have obviously shifted because they
are not using AOC anymore, right, they have yet to
use me. But we know that Fox News spends a
lot of time trying to drive down my favorabilities by
running like junk stories and that kind of stuff. Because
literally Republicans will walk up to me, introduce themselves, tell

(46:50):
me how much they love me, and make sure that
they know or that they tell me that they're a Republican.
And so I think that there is something to be
said for when people are like, how did the United
States vote for Obama and vote for Trump? Like it's like,
what is happening?

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Right?

Speaker 5 (47:04):
But I think what people fail to realize is that
both of them have the ability to bring in people
that normally don't participate in politics, and that is how.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
You find a winner.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
A winner is somebody that can bring in people that
normally don't participate in politics. So what is it that
attracts somebody that normally doesn't participate in politics. Usually it's
them believing that they're authentic, even if it's a common right,
it's like, you know what I relate to that person,
That person is speaking to me, that person is doing
something that other politicians don't do. They don't sound like

(47:35):
a broken record. And so I think ultimately what we
will see is if we have like a generic run
of the mill Republican, which I would say jd Vance
is pretty much that. If that, but then we have
an exciting candidate that is running on the Democrat. Actually,
I think the country is going to be so torn
up that the Democrats are gonna win, because that's historically

(47:58):
what happens. If the Republicans tear it up enough, then
no matter who on the other side, we win, Like,
no matter who it is, we just went.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
At least in my lifetime, I've never seen the party,
the Democratic Party and this much this.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Sirato, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
I think I think part of it is though that
like people are saying that the Democrats have failed to
figure out how to fight back. That's that's like we've
never had this type of dysfunction on the Republican side, right,
Like we've never had it to where the Supreme Court
isn't reigning in you know, people's powers. We've not never
had it where Republicans, you know, I mean when we

(48:35):
think back to Watergate, which you know, truly Nixon looks
like a choir boy compared to Trump, right in a
bipartisan way. They voted to impeach him and he just
decided to resign. He's like, I ain't even gonna go
through this, right, we don't have that type of gumption,
and so, you know, I don't think our founders contemplated this,

(48:56):
and truly the Democrats are still struggling to find their
ability to fight back. I think one of the reasons
that Gavin Newsom has, you know, truly attracted a lot
of attention in this moment is because he's saying, I'm
going to fight back, and he is showing them how
ridiculous Trump is by doing tweets that are just like Trump,

(49:19):
and Fox News got a lot of they're, oh, those
are immature. All those these are Trump tweets. Like all
he's doing is raising a mirror to you. So I
think if if we get on one page on what
fighting back looks like, then I think that people will
feel the confidence that they need to fill in this moment.
But it's hard to say that, you know, this is

(49:42):
a dictatorship, even though we're looking at him sending troops
to go in and attack Americans, like even though we're
seeing that they are unleashing this rogue, this rogue policing
force that you know, if they talk black head, they
would know about slave patrols.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Because when I look at what they are doing with ice,
it looks like slave patrols.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
And then you've got a Supreme Court that's like, yeah,
you can pick them up because of how they look,
at how they sound, that sounds like a slave patrol.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Like that is what policing was born of.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
So yes, we need to teach history and yes, we
also need to talk about like why it is important
for everybody to know the history, because maybe we would
have had more Latinos that would have voted for the
black woman or voted with the black folk if they
fully understood this history, because frankly, they are the targets

(50:38):
and the victims of this, and so many of them
voted for it.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
You got a couple questions. I know you got to go.
Are you losing your seat because of the redistrict in Texas?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
No?

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Okay, no, I mean they moved me out of my district.
On the federal level, you can run anywhere in the state.
So we'll do some polling and figure out if I
run in my district Texas thirty even though I don't
live there and will not be moving to the district,
or if I run in Texas thirty three, which is
where they put me, which is also a Democratic district.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
You know that there's absolutely people on the left that
will be in the Epstein files. Are you willing to
throw them under the bus, even if their last name
is Clinton?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I am willing to throw anyone under the bus. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
I mean, we know that every single Democrat has signed
off on the discharge petition. Only four Republicans have signed
off on the discharge petition. We need one more Republican
and we can bring this to the floor for a vote. Obviously,
I serve on the Oversight Committee, and people aren't talking
about the fact that the only reason we've gotten any
Epstein files is because the only subcommittee in the Congress

(51:47):
that is all black, which is this Oversight subcommittee on
Law Enforcement, is led by Summer lead. They were the
ones that led the charge. So as MAGA complains about
DEI and whatever, but they gotta say an all black
subcommittee is the reason that we ended up getting anything,
because it was Summer's subcommittee that decided to move to

(52:11):
subpoena and it only took a couple of Republicans jumping
on board, and they did, and that then forced Comer's
hand because they had voted to do this. So I
just want to give credit where credit is due, because
I'm sure that's one of them things the history will
forget at the end of the day. I don't sign
up or agree on anybody engaging in child sex exploitation.

(52:33):
I don't care who you are, I don't care. I
mean and I will denounce the behaviors of anyone, and
so that's why I'm good.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Like whoever it is, it is what it.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Is, all gotta go. Yeah, are you a no show
diva boss?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Like The New York Post reported, They said that you
had staffords who said you were rude and rarely president
in office.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
They tried to at the Kamma Lak too. She said
that in her excerpt too, they tried. I feel for
y'all man, they try to work with.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Even though we see you on the hell all the time,
I mean, you show up the I.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
That part they claim I don't be at work.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
There's probably more video footage of me working than a
lot of members that have been there for a very
long time. We upload everything on YouTube. We've got our
clips on TikTok ig, phaseo, everywhere. In addition to we
send out a weekly email to our constituents that has
photos and lays out what we filed. It shows photos

(53:25):
of my meetings. Listen, people can say what they want
to say. And again, there is this culture of undermining
black women, and there is this culture of you not
gonna do what you want to do here, You're gonna
do what we tell you to do. I will tell
you that I'm always be me and there are staffers

(53:45):
that you know, mostly they're not in my office take
offense to how I show up every day and the
fact that I'm not going to conform to being just
a tool of Hill staffers, and it is what it is.
So until somebody want to put their name on something
to potentially be sued, I really ain't got yeah, because

(54:08):
you know, you can't defame somebody without facing consequences of
potentially going to court. And truth will always be the defense.
So if somebody wants to come forward and say what
they got to say and speak they truth, I look
forward to it. Until then, I don't really respond to
the New York Post that also is attempting to do

(54:29):
what we do with black women in power, which is
to basically say we ain't nothing but loud nothing as
women or people, and it's just not true.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
My last question, do you ever get tired of being
loyal to people who aren't loyal to you? Because Jasmine,
I've seen them do the exact same thing to you
that they do the common low, especially when you lost
your bid to be the top them on the oversight panel.
I've said it a million times on the radio everywhere
I go. There is nobody who should be front and
center more in the Democratic Party than you right now,

(55:01):
just because you bring the eyeballs. You know how to message,
whether people like it, whether people don't like it, you
know how to message.

Speaker 7 (55:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
So I truly believe that everything happens for a reason,
even the bad things, or even the things that I
believe made best sense me running for oversight was always
about trying to do best by my party, by the caucus,
and trying to hopefully get us into a better space

(55:30):
with the people that we serve. But at the end
of the day, if people don't want my service, they
don't want my service. But if I said that I
was not disappointed with how much I had given to
a caucus that then felt like they reduced me to
not being worth it, like very much. It was eye opening,

(55:53):
and so for me, I look at it like God
was trying to reveal to me and let me know, yo,
like you cutting for some people that ain't checking for
you right like, you need to recenter and rebalance yourself.
And so I did decide specifically after that that I
was going to focus more on working with the Black
faith community and making sure that they have the information

(56:15):
that they need, making sure that they're organizing in the
way that they need to organize, and really availing myself
with them and making sure that I could support them
with some resources because.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
You're very humble.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
You raise over four million dollars for the caucus. You
did over one hundred and ten trips, you gave out
almost six hundred thousand. You was the seventh highest fundraiser
in the whole caucus for quarter one.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
This year, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean it
was in Q two I moved up. I was even higher.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
So they cool with you.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Laboring, you know, in the field, but they don't want
you leading from at the table.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
That is what it felt like.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
So you know, I mean, listen, sometimes you have to
be put into an uncomfortable position in order to move you.
And so for me, it was about kind of recentering
and talking to God and saying, Okay, it's clear that
like this isn't what you want me to do, so
like where is it you want me to go? So
you know, we will see, like you just asked me

(57:11):
about you know, you know, which seat I'm running in,
And that kind of stuff. There are definitely those that
want me to run statewide, so we're not ruling out
a statewide run either. So there's just a lot of
things at play because it's like maybe the House, maybe
it's over. Maybe that was the message, like I don't know,

(57:33):
we'll see what numbers look like. Potentially, Potentially we'll see.
I mean, right now, I'm focused on the redistricting.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
We're in trial.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
We're doing those things. But you know, filing doesn't end
until December, and so what we're gonna do is we're
gonna evaluate. We're not gonna take anything off the table,
and we'll see. We know that my current Toorney General
Paxton is a uniquely bad candidate, and you know, it

(58:06):
would be the best kind of fuck you to the
Republicans to specifically target my state, specifically target my district.
Worried about a House seat, and then I'd be able
to snatch a Senate seat.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
So so we'll see. Well, we'll keep doing evaluations.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
I can tell you that you know, from everything that
we know without having done our own polling, it is
definitely within striking range.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett Man, please play for pray for Congresswoman
Jasmin Crockett. Always and you know you just be safe
out here, right. We appreciate you. It's the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Every day, Up the Breakfast Club. Finish, y'all done,