December 18, 2024 • 27 mins
The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Jason Lee To Discuss His Sobriety, Political Moves, Rihanna's Friendship. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is DJ n V, Jess hilarious,
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Counselman.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Counselman, Jason Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, it's good to be good to be back.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
How are you feeling, sir. I'm feeling good. You know,
I'm out here dodging these murderers on the streets of
New York.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes that happens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Ain't talking about the hood. I'm talking about you know,
the healthcare.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, well, congratulations, first and foremost, thank you. Does that
change anything with Jason Lee?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, He's still gonna be the same, you know.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
You know I was laughing when y'all did the Megan
the Stallion story. He was having the messies counselming. You know,
the reality is politics or message.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You look at Trump.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Trump has been able to win the highest office in
the country, the leader of the free world with what
he's done. And so uh No, I mean I'm evolving
as a person. I'm in therapy thanks to you, of course,
sober now fifteen months forty seven b Yeah, So I
mean I'm evolving, but I'm not gonna change.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm gonna always always just stay true to line.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
You what was the health with Hollywood was the Hollywood
health with health care and lock health Care and lot. Yeah,
so you were already I'm not not ahead of the curve,
but you were already peeping the injustices that were helping
in the healthcare system and you decided to do something
about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, I mean before entertainment, I worked in the labor
movement for eleven years as the staff director for one
of the largest healthcare unions in the world. So I
was already doing the work and then, you know, part
of just being active in my community. I always felt like,
once you build your platform, you have the influence, you
have the relationships, you should be doing something with that.
And just the evolution of my world and the entertainment industry,
(01:32):
I just kind of felt like I was falling out
of love with entertainment because it wasn't what I thought
it was on the outside, and I just felt like my.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Purpose wasn't being used.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
So I just, you know, found something else to do
with my time, went back home and ran in one.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So how did you feel when you saw the United
Healthcare CEO you.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Know, it's kind of crazy because with health care and lock,
we you know, we help low income families get access healthcare.
We came up here with the CEO of the company
that I partnered with and they're one of our providers.
So to see that happen in healthcare, yeah, atters But
I mean the craziest part was if you if you're
the CEO of a four hundred and fifty billion dollar company,
why you didn't have no security?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah? And I saw a lot of people upset about that.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
They were saying that he had been getting so many
threats that he should have known that he shouldn't have
been in New York City without any security.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
And on top of that, I mean, just the other day,
I had this bad science affection.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Went to the doctor.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
It was twelve hundred and fifty dollars just to get
checked up for a science affection. So when I think
about that, every average, everyday American, like in my hometown,
where there's a lot of people who are homeless or
out of work, I mean, people can't even afford healthcare
in our country should be a right, but you know
that's just not the country with living.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
He didn't get gunned down by some poor and disenfranchised person.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, he got killed by a white boy that everybody's
trying to get out of prison nowt That's the other thing, like,
you know, we have selective outrage in this country where
you got somebody like you know this guy who now
everybody is selling free Luigi T shirts.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I just wondered if security was dead with security being
able to stop him right because he was he was
waiting and once they walk in security in the fronty, he
probably have shot both him in.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The security would he tried him if he had security?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's true too, Sexy Red got better scaredy of h jeez.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I was going to ask you said, you've been so before?
How many months?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Almost sixteen?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Congratulations? What got you to the point where it was
like I need to stop doing this? What was the
last thing? Tod be like this is too much?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Okay, why I've never told this, but I so I
had a birthday party. I have a birthday party every year.
I got so wasted at my party. I was drunk
for three days. But that wasn't even the thing, because
it was like, you know, you get older, it's harder
to get sober or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I had woke up in my house.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
My friends, we all came back to my house after
my party, had lots of people in my house. But
I woke up in the morning and there were people
in my house that I didn't know, and you didn't
know that I did not know, and I had a
gun in my robe, and I just thought like, if
I would have woke up and went downstairs and found
these people in my house, how I would have shot
them all. I would have shot all those people, you
know what I mean. So that I called my friends, like,
why y'all leave these people at my house? They were like, oh,
(03:49):
you know, the party. So for me, it was one,
I got people around me who weren't making sure I
was good. Two, the Bible says warning comes before destruction.
That was a warning sign because you had a lot
of fun, but that could have went south, and uh yeah,
it was just was a bad thing. I didn't want
to go out like that. And I do feel like
people be crashing out and then there's these signs that
come before they crashed all the way out and they
(04:10):
just don't listen to them. So for me, I heard
that sign and I just literally quit.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And why do you have a gun in your robe?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Though I don't know, I don't know how I got
I mean, I got guns all over my houses. And
then now I'm back in Stockton, California's one of the
most dangerous cities in the States. So like, I always
keep guns on me. I'm a concealed weapons holder. I
think in this country right now, it's just so unpredictable.
You should be ready to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
At all time.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I have been.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
I mean, first of all, you know, I'm very inspired
by watching you run for Stocking City Council and then win.
But also I just was concerned because I'm like, I
know how these people played dirty in politics.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was never a concern you.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
No, I played dirty too, we know, yeah, you know.
But I built a relationship with the district attorney. Shout
to Ron Freders. He's the most powerful man in our county.
He's the one that you know, they because they you know,
they gonna try the indictment games with people when they
in politics. But see, what I did was the most
gangster shit ever. I didn't just go back and ran.
What happened was when I went back, there was this
(05:06):
girl who got murdered at a school I used to
go to that I graduated from, that I worked at.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Her name was La La.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
She was a young girl who got murdered by a
guy who just wandered on the campus, stabbed her in
front of all her classmates. And when they called me
and tell me that happened, I called Tiffany Hash and said, Yo, like,
we should fly to my hometown, meet with these kids,
just try to inspire them to like work through it.
Because when I was a kid, there was a mass
shooting where this guy had come on the campus, blew
up his car and then when all the kids ran out,
he shot him all with a AK and Michael Jackson
(05:33):
had come to Stockton, and I remember as a kid
when I was in foster care, like that was my
first indication of what humanity and compassion was from somebody
who didn't have to come to our hometown. So I
just wanted to give that back to my community. We
flew in, we met with the kids, and I remember
going to the school and they were like, do not
give the kids the microphone because all the news is here.
I was like, Okay, yeah, I don't worry about it. As
soon as we got out there, me and Tiffany looked
(05:54):
at each other and then we just said, get the
kids a microphone, you know, like we want to hear
from them. And they were saying, you know, this schools unsafe.
For so long, We've been telling you that this was
gonna happen, and you all didn't care. And then now
one of our classmates is dead. So that was the
beginning of me saying, you know what, I now have
all this money, platform relationships, I gotta do something to
help my hometown. Because, as you know, we were talking
(06:16):
with the vice president about what was going on in
DC and people weren't listening. And then you get to
a point where like you either on the outside telling
people who don't listen, or you get in the game
and you make people listen. So the mayor at the
time and the vice mayor who I just beat, came
to my home in LA and we sat down and
we had dinner, and we talked about how do we
help these young people, how do we know save these
(06:37):
young people from being murdered and you know, sixteen year
olds that can't read and stuff like that. And they
made this commitment that they would do a program with
me and I would put in a million dollars cash,
they'd put in a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We partner on to your program. We as soon as
I went back to.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
My hometown and went back to Stockton to do it,
they started politiccking the play on the city council, you know,
and we had hundreds of people there, and this one councilman,
he said, you know, you have all these rich friends
like Rihanna and Floyd Mayweather. Why don't you ask him
to help you? And that was the moment where I
was like, Okay, y'all gonna play in my face, not
a problem. I went back, I organized my businesses, I
found three other people who wanted to run, and we
(07:12):
put a plan together to run on a slate for
the first time. And we all want but I want
to shout out Kevin Hart, Floyd Mayweather, Babyface, Rihanna, everybody
who actually got behind us. That Floyd and Kevin donated
a lot of money to get behind the campaign, and
we all want so now we all took control of
the city and now it's going to be a different
city moving forward.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Wow, you had the nonprofit Dina that you had Rihanna Holst, Yeah,
and you know, do you save those type of favors
for moments like that?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
What do you mean, oh, like like just asking him.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
To do things.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Now, I've never done a favor for her. I mean,
you know, she Rihanna. She gave me the photos of
her first kid and then we put out. She just
she just believes in what we're doing. I think she
saw the person say what he said about you know,
go ask your rich friends, and she actually cares about
the world. And now as a new mom, she really
is in love with like, you know, making sure that
kids are taking care of it and that you know,
(08:03):
people are doing what they.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Can do to help them.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
To new music.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I haven't heard the new music.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's a lie, and I start smiling, you start smiling laughing.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Is because one I look at some interviews when I
talk about her, you know, that's one relationship I don't
even want to I don't even want to talk about
it because it's just, you know, I do love her
so much and I care about her, and she's a
sweet person, but she's so dialed in to what's happening.
I've never asked to go to the studio because I
don't want to hear anything. Because I do have a
problem keeping secrets sometimes, and that's one that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I haven't heard the music.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Who's your favorite celebrity to hang out with? We've seen
you with Tiff, We've seen you with Cardi, we've seen
you a rere.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Who is your favorite? You just name them one?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you know, favorite celebrity to hang out with?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And why, well, I will say I'll say Rihanna because
it's the it's the hanging out that you don't see,
you know, It's there's no cameras, it's not social media,
it's we just talk about life. We did karaoke. I
think it's just those moments, you know. Yeah, Charlotte made
one day. I don't know if you text your call.
(09:05):
He said, you know, it's interesting how you do what
you're doing. You have all these relationships, but yeah, I'm
not I don't want anymore, you know. I like the
ones that I have. I don't know that no new friends.
Not to quote Trake because I know he had an
underdog right now, but yeah, just it's really weird because
now that I am sober and I am in therapy,
I see how I've been used many times or you know,
(09:26):
the relationships just aren't really real.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I don't want any more new friends. I'm good
with the ones I got.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You wouldn't have anything that you regret though, since your sobriety.
Like I don't regret anything because I feel like everything
I've done is a lesson. But I will say that
when I was here, I did made that off the
cuff comment about Jennifer Hudson.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's what she was literate and terrible. Okay, we don't
need to.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Let me say it this, let's let's play it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I will say this.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You know, I think you can be critical people without
being mean. It wasn't off the cuff, unplanned comment talking
about something completely unrelated. But then you know after that,
you know, of course I got all the flag. That
wasn't why I think I want to apologize for sure,
because I don't really care when people have an opinion
about me online. I saw her at the Vice President's house,
(10:18):
and when I saw her, I just I felt bad
and I wanted to say somebody was you know, what
do you do you do? It was the wrong setting
to go up and have a conversation. Plus Karen Sivil
was right there, and it was like it was already
too much going.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
On, and you couldn't pass her no because you already
said don't think you can read, so you will show how.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Jesus Rice back to my apology now, because what you know,
you know the game on the mainstream. I own my
own platform, so I don't play the game. I don't
have to audition. I don't have to be good for anybody.
I just do what I do. I leave it there
and I go on with my business. But in this
world of entertainment, you know, old white men like the
people who owned DeMar Mercury, will find a black person
(10:54):
to market to white people because that's the advertising game.
And I just felt like at the time, you know,
she wasn't the best talk show host. I could have
been critical of that decision and criticized them, not attack her.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To say she was the literate was wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Plus she's been through a lot of traumatic stuff, Like
I have been to see her in public, and you know,
she gave me a lot of grace because she could
have read the shit out of me. She didn't, But
I felt bad. I'm gonna send her personal known some
flowers and you know, piece it up with her. You know,
at least do my part. It's not to be friends
or anything like that, but just I just felt like
it was unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So didn't y'all speaking to BP thing. You just didn't
even go up to her.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Nah, And I'm cool with Common too, and they were together.
It just it was just awkward. It was one of
the things where like I walked in the room. As
soon as I hit the corner, she was standing there,
and I wasn't going to walk up and have that
conversation because as soon as I walk in the room,
if there's ever been anything online, people automatically assume it's
about to go down or it's just a feeling that's uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
So yeah, I was going to ask, you know, have
you ever ran in a comment like because yeah and
think about it or no.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We me and him talked at that party too.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Me and Common we're not friends, but you know, we
were friendly and we communicate a lot when he was
dating Tiffany, so we're We've been in each other's space,
has been on my show.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
He's cool. I like and respect him. He didn't say anything,
you know, to pictures, and it was cool.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He keeps him, he keeps it separate, and he his handy.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, so the comment.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
But I told Jason earlier a while ago, it's just
like for him to do what he does, I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't know what you called. I don't want to
say gossip blogger. You gave me.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You're the one that gave me the title culture critic,
because that when I first started doing this, they were
calling me everything, literally everything. I don't really care. I
didn't have a title. I didn't like the title blogger
only because I feel like in what we do will
be reduced to blogger when we have influenced that. You know,
this guy was telling me recently, because I was going
back and forth with this guy who wants to manage me,
(12:37):
he said, because I've never had a manager. He said,
you know, the challenge with managing you is that you
know you're controversial. And I said, well, there's good controversy
and there's bad controversy. I said, when Howard Stern does
what he does, everybody praises him. When Joe Rogan does
what he does, everybody praises him. And what he said
was he said, when they go viral, it's contained in
the space.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
When you go.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Viral, it just scatters everywhere and it's hard to to control.
And I thought, okay, so to me, that's the influence.
I don't understand why that's a bad thing, but you know, again,
we know what that is. So yeah, culture critic, once
you said that, I took and ran with that.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But to do what you do and still have the
relationships with celebrities is like unheard of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And Wendy didn't have that. I don't know if for
Z Hilton did, but I know Wendy didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But I think the thing that people still fail to
realize is that you know, you can not like me
or hate me or hate on what I do or whatever,
I still have a relationship with you. With everybody in
the industry, Hollywood on Locked has a relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Some just participate, some don't. You know.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Right now, there's this whole thing where, you know, people
think that I don't like jay Z or Beyonce. I
love Beyonce. I like jay Z. I don't know him,
but I love Beyonce. And but you know, the platform
is the platform. I am, though, backing up from Hollywood
Unlocked as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
In the new year.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I'm putting my staff out there more. I use Hollywood
on Loock to build my brand identity. I have it now.
I really want to do things that are purpose driven.
My community is important. My show. I'm in love with
my show. But outside of that and my dogs, I
really don't want to go nowhere.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't want to do nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I don't want to really talk to nobody that don't
have anything to do with what I'm on in Hollywood
on lock. That thing can go and run and my
team is going to do that work. I still own it,
make all the money. But I just you had the
industry in what I thought it was different.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
When do you decide when you're not going to tell
a story or when you're gonna wait? Right, So the
MEGANI style of the story, you teased it months before
it was released.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
By the way, I like how you set that up.
Let me tell you, let me tell you why I
intentionally did that. And I like that you pointed out
that it was in July. There's so many stories that
we get on a daily basis, you know what I mean?
Like I there's so many stories we got on a
daily basis. It's I don't get the grace for the
stuff we don't put out, so you'll never know, like
(14:46):
you'll never say, Jason, man, he did that because I
didn't do it. You know, you don't know what I
didn't put out. There's lots of marriages that I go, man,
that marriage is, that marriage is beautiful on social media
when it's really like there's a whole bunch of other
stuff behind it, or you know anyway. So I don't
get grace for the stuff that we don't put out.
And I think that's the part that I'm struggling with
because the men and I do say something, you know,
(15:07):
like the thing that did go viral with Beyonce. You know,
we did a lot to protect Beyonce and jay Z.
That has nothing to do with this stupid story that's
in the news right now. That's just to me ridiculous,
right and unbelievable. But we did a lot to protect them.
But because we have to deal with their handlers, you know,
and then they don't know the grace that their handlers
aren't giving us. It's this thing where people feel like
(15:29):
this we're in that old school game of you know,
just deal with the help. No, I don't deal with
the help. I'm a principal, you a principal. If I
have something that's going on or you have something that's
going on, we can either deal with each other and
if not cool, then we do our job and then
it is what it is. But people try to judge
the grace that we don't give based on maybe the
grace we give somebody else. I'm closer to a Charlemagne
(15:49):
than I am to a Joe Rogan, So it's going
to be a different relationship because proximity is going to
change the job, and I think people are having a
hard time digesting that. That's why I'm just like, I
don't want to deal with it no more.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Deal with the platform.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
If you don't like a story, talk about it online,
and then we'll just keep doing the work.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Don't.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I don't get the grace that that I deserve. But
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Something, he said.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Nobody's always I say that about Wendy all the time.
I say, the beauty of Wendy Williams is wasn't what
she went on the air with. It was the thing
she didn't talk about. Wendy could have been crushing with
the things she could have actually been saying, and that's
what I just I just that's interesting to hear you
say that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Because that's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It's a sensitive balance though too, you know, like you
have somebody like a Serena Williams. We have a relationship
that I don't we don't promote. But you know, recently
I had to say, I really need you to read
my book because I really need you to understand like
the background of Hawai Am because there's knowing me Jason,
and then there's knowing me from Instagram or social media
or my show, two totally different people. Back to the
(16:50):
make thing. The reason why I held onto that for
so long, there's a couple of reasons. One, you know,
I love the fact that Michael Rubin has a successful career,
successful business is and lots of privilege that he takes
advantage of, and that he has the White Party. Of
the white party I thought was ours from a long
time ago, right before you know, the baby oil and
Dildo start flying around.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Still got their job.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
But you know, but but but cultural cultural, what they say,
they co opt the culture they they took that. So
now that's the party everybody wants to go to, which
is great and I've been to it. It's a good party,
you know, when Michael's not hanging on your back.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
When I when I heard about what happened at the party,
I was like, Yo, that really went down.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I went there. You know, I didn't get my invite.
So I'm gonna just hold on to that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Well, Megan and Winnie, I know both of them, but
then just Meghan, there's so much out there with her
that people don't know. I just felt like, you know,
and the party, I'm just going to drop it. But
I have to win office first. That's why I had to.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hold on to it.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I can't drop it. While I was, I already went
viral with the Jennifer has the thing. I'm gonna do this,
So I'm gonna just wait, so all way till I
got elected.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Then I dropped.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was also going to ask, you know what Trump's
soon and whin a fifth ta million dollars for somebody
reporting a wrong story?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah not just somebody. That was George step.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's why they said his last name.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So when it comes to your staff, do you tell
them to make sure you understand what's going on? Because
now if you report a wrong story.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I mean, I reported the Queen died.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And that's that's my point.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If you report the wrong story, they're gonna be soon
now because the fact that Trump get fifteen million, in
the fact that Trump's about to change this.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If you report the queen died and she didn't die,
that usually is a career.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But here's the deal. One, we never saw her after
I reported it. We didn't hot Twitter right now, everybody's
on Twitter. We did not see We saw a photo
of it that you know.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
She signed the park drinking coffee or something like that.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
She was not and she was she was, she was gone.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
She was gone T shirt on.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
She had a free Windy mug.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
No, but you know, by the way, the way they
have locked Windy away is insane.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Here.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
No, you didn't Florida, I said, Okay, anyway, the queen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
We didn't see her after I said she was dead.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So even though I was on vacation when I broke that,
I you know, I kind of stand behind it, but
still I don't want to double down anymore because that
was just enough.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But she was dead.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So look, I feel like I tell my writers all
the time, and you know, you have to have lots.
We have to have insurance. We have insurance for everything.
We have millions dollars worth insurance. So if you do stuff,
we get sued whatever. I've been sued probably more than
twenty times for using images we weren't supposed to use.
But I mean, yeah, they do their research and they
make sure that they follow uh you know, all the
all the rules. But sometimes you make a mistake. That
(19:41):
was a big mistake that George made that one word. Yeah,
but rape versus battery and defamation, I mean wait, yeah,
so we have to watch it my show. On my show,
we have insurance and stuff too, but I do have
to watch what I say because people are suing I'll sue.
We should be suing it, right, jay Z should be suing,
but he is right now.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'll show you. I'm sure. I'm sure to be a
definit mission.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, your show, The Jason Leisho was coming back exclusively
on ZEUS.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
And you know what, I have to shot out Limeal
Plumber too because Zeus. You know, they also aired our
award show, which, by the way, I hopefully you guys
come next year.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I still ain't been there and you got an award.
It's right there. Exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
But yeah, we I mean, we're a black owned award
show on a black network. I mean, I've been very
intentional about working with black people. I mean, and Lemeo,
you know, you know, he he got the chaos over there,
but he's done a really good job of helping us
to platform the award show. I didn't seek out other
partnerships to distribute it because I really wanted to, you know,
keep it within our culture.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
This lot.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
This year, we honored Sharon Stone, Cardi, Jasmine Crockett being Crump,
who else?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
We had, Christian.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Lubleton, we had a lot of different with Tiffany Havash
host Uh next.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Day, come to your award show.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's the difference between what he's doing in their podcast too.
They're actually coming to your award show.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, well that's what happens when you know, again, this
is a black owned culture celebrated show. And no disrespect
to BEC because I just worked with them yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
But you know, it's not owned by us, and I
think that they you know, I'm willing to go over
there and help them produce it. But yeah, we we
we individually invite all the honorees and they show up
this year was crazy. Next year is already gonna be crazy.
And shout out to baby Face. He said, you know,
if you want me to do your music next year,
I'll do your music.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So we don't wow.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Wow, you know you already know who you want to
honor this year.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Absolutely, Do you want to say it now?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
No, because I want to lock them all in first.
But this year is gonna be Next year's gonna be
bigger than ever, and we do it right there. We
were very intention about doing at the Hilton Ballroom where
they do the Clive Davis Party and the Emmys and
all that, because you know, we need to move our
stuff in spaces where they may not want us there
or we you know, or they think we can't afford it,
so we we Yeah, it was great this year.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I was a Jonathan Major's moment in person.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Oh yeah, we honor Johnathan. You know, it was great
when we decided to honor John Thon. You know, we
live in cancel culture where everybody wants to cancel culture.
And I've been against counsel culture from the beginning because
I feel like it's it's applied unfairly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know, we've all been subject to it. But we
all still standing.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And I think in rent space in people's head, they
don't understand you actually can't overcome the bus the bs
of cancel culture. Jonathan was an easy one. When I
looked at what he went through.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I look at you know, Im mattil or you look
at the Central Park five or times where people have
thrown stuff on us. That isn't true.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
And I felt like, man, this year the Impact Awards
is really about moments of impact throughout the opportunities to
create impactful conversation. And Jonathan went through a very public
scenario where he is one of the most talented actors
I've ever seen, and Matt and just watch him go
through that with that woman, I feel like, let's let's
elevate the conversation of redemption. When do we get redemption?
(22:49):
Like when is are we not redeemable people? You know
the same way I think BT missed the moment with
Chris Brown during the Usher tribute. You should have had
Chris there. You know, everybody deserves redemption. And when I
asked him to do it, we had lunch and he
was just emotional. I mean he was he cried because
he was surprised that somebody actually wanted to give him
that honor. When he came, I called jan Lavanza. I
(23:11):
asked her to present to him, and you know, at
first she was just like, well, let me think about this,
and she came back and wrote her her thing. And
then I asked Karen Karen Clark Sheer to sing a song.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
For him.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
And then when he when he did it, it was
just so powerful that everybody in the room was crying
because he was honest about his experience and he still
maintained his innocence and then now to see the case
be thrown out after he lost so much.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But he does have a new movie. That's that he
that he just did that I watched. It's I mean,
I think he's going to have a great comeback. And
it was a moving moment.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Was that the magazine Dreams movie? Yep, yeah, is it
really good?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
It's it's I told him. I was like, Yo, I
don't know, it's it's yeah, it's it's great.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now, when you when you become counselmen in January, what's
the first thing you want to do?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well, one, we're gonna restore order in my city. Part
of the problem is that I told everybody, and I
think they haven't been listening to me on the campaign
til because they kind of wrote me off as he's
just a rich out of town celebrity, reality star bloger
whatever they did, and which is fine, because that was
a distraction. I needed to put my head down to
actually win. I said, I'm going to get in there
and audit all the measure a money, all the money
(24:19):
that you all have been spending, and.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
If I find anything, were on, y'all going to jail.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And I meant that, and so the first thing on
January seventh, I'm ordering to audit and I'm on the
budget committee of all the money, and they know that
that's coming. And I can feel the shifting happening in
my community. I think, just how we invest in nonprofits,
nonprofits led by women, people of color, really looking at
how the city can partner to invest in those that
are doing the real work and touching those who needed
(24:43):
the most. And then homelessness is a big issue in
my community. So we've been bringing folks from the state there.
This man named Mark Fossels managing a six point three
eight billion dollar budget that the city never applied for.
He's now in the city, meeting with the county and
city officials about how to get some of that money
there for homelessness and you know, just creating opportunities for
young people because that's that city is where I met
Queen Latif for.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Thirty years ago. That inspired me to get in entertainment,
and that literally a locked everything.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, so tell him I'm very jealous of that. Your relationship.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, we talk about you don't lie? Yeah for real?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, I told you, you know, I told her you
know what you said that how much you care about
her and love her and I'd love her too. And
ironically she's never been on either of our show never.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Ain't that crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean, I'm fine with it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But because she's been an inspiration from Afar her ad
Shot Kim, Yeah, because I just always believe in in
building institutions, especially with black women, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
And Shot Kim was one of the first brothers I
saw do that, Like really say, yo, me and this
black woman right here, we're gonna build something.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And look what they've built.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
But you know what I learned in therapy, I respect
you so much for encouraging me. To go to therapy,
but I also don't like that you encourage me to
go to therapy. I'll tell you why. I think therapy
in many ways has made me softer.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't like that?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't, you know, because I think it's okay to
have feelings, like I have feelings, right, I do have,
I believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I have feelings.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
But I also feel like when people feel like you're vulnerable,
they then try to take advantage of you even more.
And I have had more people trying it, but at
least with sobriety and clarity.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You see it now, and I'm like, I call it out.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
What I learned in therapy though, with Queen Latifa is
that I feel like I had abandonment issues for my
mom because my mother, when she was on drugs, would
come to the group home and visit me or foster
from it, and then she would never take me home
with her. And it wasn't because she didn't want me.
She just was on drugs and couldn't. She just wasn't well,
you know, and she had mental health issues and stuff.
So because I wanted her to show up for me,
and she didn't when I would Now that I've become
(26:43):
Jason Lee and Hollywood unlocked all that and queenly Ty
for not showing up and my fans asking where she is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It was triggering.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And it wasn't until I was in therapy I was like, well,
I got abantmage, So I had to really like compartmentalize
that relationship and say I do.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Have access to her. I love her. She gave me
inspiration to pursue my dreams. She gave me this port
where my brother was murdered and spent time talking to
me through that.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And which is more important?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Which is that's all the more important stuff?
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And I also know she don't want to call on
my show because when she does, she bring her ass
up there. We're gonna really talk and we when you
talk to your friend, you know, telling them what to
come out.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, absolutely, But I look siate you for jordan Us
brother of course.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Counselman Jason Lee.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's right, it's Jason Lee, Ladies, counselman Jason Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Good morning, Wake that ass up in the morning. The
Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is DJ n V, Jess hilarious,
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Counselman.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Counselman, Jason Lee.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, it's good to be good to be back.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
How are you feeling, sir. I'm feeling good. You know,
I'm out here dodging these murderers on the streets of
New York.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes that happens.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Ain't talking about the hood. I'm talking about you know,
the healthcare.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, well, congratulations, first and foremost, thank you. Does that
change anything with Jason Lee?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, He's still gonna be the same, you know.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
You know I was laughing when y'all did the Megan
the Stallion story. He was having the messies counselming. You know,
the reality is politics or message.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You look at Trump.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Trump has been able to win the highest office in
the country, the leader of the free world with what
he's done. And so uh No, I mean I'm evolving
as a person. I'm in therapy thanks to you, of course,
sober now fifteen months forty seven b Yeah, So I
mean I'm evolving, but I'm not gonna change.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm gonna always always just stay true to line.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
You what was the health with Hollywood was the Hollywood
health with health care and lock health Care and lot. Yeah,
so you were already I'm not not ahead of the curve,
but you were already peeping the injustices that were helping
in the healthcare system and you decided to do something
about it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, I mean before entertainment, I worked in the labor
movement for eleven years as the staff director for one
of the largest healthcare unions in the world. So I
was already doing the work and then, you know, part
of just being active in my community. I always felt like,
once you build your platform, you have the influence, you
have the relationships, you should be doing something with that.
And just the evolution of my world and the entertainment industry,
(01:32):
I just kind of felt like I was falling out
of love with entertainment because it wasn't what I thought
it was on the outside, and I just felt like my.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Purpose wasn't being used.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
So I just, you know, found something else to do
with my time, went back home and ran in one.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So how did you feel when you saw the United
Healthcare CEO you.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Know, it's kind of crazy because with health care and lock,
we you know, we help low income families get access healthcare.
We came up here with the CEO of the company
that I partnered with and they're one of our providers.
So to see that happen in healthcare, yeah, atters But
I mean the craziest part was if you if you're
the CEO of a four hundred and fifty billion dollar company,
why you didn't have no security?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah? And I saw a lot of people upset about that.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
They were saying that he had been getting so many
threats that he should have known that he shouldn't have
been in New York City without any security.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
And on top of that, I mean, just the other day,
I had this bad science affection.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Went to the doctor.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
It was twelve hundred and fifty dollars just to get
checked up for a science affection. So when I think
about that, every average, everyday American, like in my hometown,
where there's a lot of people who are homeless or
out of work, I mean, people can't even afford healthcare
in our country should be a right, but you know
that's just not the country with living.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
He didn't get gunned down by some poor and disenfranchised person.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, he got killed by a white boy that everybody's
trying to get out of prison nowt That's the other thing, like,
you know, we have selective outrage in this country where
you got somebody like you know this guy who now
everybody is selling free Luigi T shirts.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I just wondered if security was dead with security being
able to stop him right because he was he was
waiting and once they walk in security in the fronty, he
probably have shot both him in.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
The security would he tried him if he had security?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's true too, Sexy Red got better scaredy of h jeez.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I was going to ask you said, you've been so before?
How many months?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Almost sixteen?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Congratulations? What got you to the point where it was
like I need to stop doing this? What was the
last thing? Tod be like this is too much?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Okay, why I've never told this, but I so I
had a birthday party. I have a birthday party every year.
I got so wasted at my party. I was drunk
for three days. But that wasn't even the thing, because
it was like, you know, you get older, it's harder
to get sober or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I had woke up in my house.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
My friends, we all came back to my house after
my party, had lots of people in my house. But
I woke up in the morning and there were people
in my house that I didn't know, and you didn't
know that I did not know, and I had a
gun in my robe, and I just thought like, if
I would have woke up and went downstairs and found
these people in my house, how I would have shot
them all. I would have shot all those people, you
know what I mean. So that I called my friends, like,
why y'all leave these people at my house? They were like, oh,
(03:49):
you know, the party. So for me, it was one,
I got people around me who weren't making sure I
was good. Two, the Bible says warning comes before destruction.
That was a warning sign because you had a lot
of fun, but that could have went south, and uh yeah,
it was just was a bad thing. I didn't want
to go out like that. And I do feel like
people be crashing out and then there's these signs that
come before they crashed all the way out and they
(04:10):
just don't listen to them. So for me, I heard
that sign and I just literally quit.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
And why do you have a gun in your robe?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Though I don't know, I don't know how I got
I mean, I got guns all over my houses. And
then now I'm back in Stockton, California's one of the
most dangerous cities in the States. So like, I always
keep guns on me. I'm a concealed weapons holder. I
think in this country right now, it's just so unpredictable.
You should be ready to protect yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
At all time.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I have been.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
I mean, first of all, you know, I'm very inspired
by watching you run for Stocking City Council and then win.
But also I just was concerned because I'm like, I
know how these people played dirty in politics.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
That was never a concern you.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
No, I played dirty too, we know, yeah, you know.
But I built a relationship with the district attorney. Shout
to Ron Freders. He's the most powerful man in our county.
He's the one that you know, they because they you know,
they gonna try the indictment games with people when they
in politics. But see, what I did was the most
gangster shit ever. I didn't just go back and ran.
What happened was when I went back, there was this
(05:06):
girl who got murdered at a school I used to
go to that I graduated from, that I worked at.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Her name was La La.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
She was a young girl who got murdered by a
guy who just wandered on the campus, stabbed her in
front of all her classmates. And when they called me
and tell me that happened, I called Tiffany Hash and said, Yo, like,
we should fly to my hometown, meet with these kids,
just try to inspire them to like work through it.
Because when I was a kid, there was a mass
shooting where this guy had come on the campus, blew
up his car and then when all the kids ran out,
he shot him all with a AK and Michael Jackson
(05:33):
had come to Stockton, and I remember as a kid
when I was in foster care, like that was my
first indication of what humanity and compassion was from somebody
who didn't have to come to our hometown. So I
just wanted to give that back to my community. We
flew in, we met with the kids, and I remember
going to the school and they were like, do not
give the kids the microphone because all the news is here.
I was like, Okay, yeah, I don't worry about it. As
soon as we got out there, me and Tiffany looked
(05:54):
at each other and then we just said, get the
kids a microphone, you know, like we want to hear
from them. And they were saying, you know, this schools unsafe.
For so long, We've been telling you that this was
gonna happen, and you all didn't care. And then now
one of our classmates is dead. So that was the
beginning of me saying, you know what, I now have
all this money, platform relationships, I gotta do something to
help my hometown. Because, as you know, we were talking
(06:16):
with the vice president about what was going on in
DC and people weren't listening. And then you get to
a point where like you either on the outside telling
people who don't listen, or you get in the game
and you make people listen. So the mayor at the
time and the vice mayor who I just beat, came
to my home in LA and we sat down and
we had dinner, and we talked about how do we
help these young people, how do we know save these
(06:37):
young people from being murdered and you know, sixteen year
olds that can't read and stuff like that. And they
made this commitment that they would do a program with
me and I would put in a million dollars cash,
they'd put in a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
We partner on to your program. We as soon as
I went back to.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
My hometown and went back to Stockton to do it,
they started politiccking the play on the city council, you know,
and we had hundreds of people there, and this one councilman,
he said, you know, you have all these rich friends
like Rihanna and Floyd Mayweather. Why don't you ask him
to help you? And that was the moment where I
was like, Okay, y'all gonna play in my face, not
a problem. I went back, I organized my businesses, I
found three other people who wanted to run, and we
(07:12):
put a plan together to run on a slate for
the first time. And we all want but I want
to shout out Kevin Hart, Floyd Mayweather, Babyface, Rihanna, everybody
who actually got behind us. That Floyd and Kevin donated
a lot of money to get behind the campaign, and
we all want so now we all took control of
the city and now it's going to be a different
city moving forward.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Wow, you had the nonprofit Dina that you had Rihanna Holst, Yeah,
and you know, do you save those type of favors
for moments like that?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
What do you mean, oh, like like just asking him.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
To do things.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Now, I've never done a favor for her. I mean,
you know, she Rihanna. She gave me the photos of
her first kid and then we put out. She just
she just believes in what we're doing. I think she
saw the person say what he said about you know,
go ask your rich friends, and she actually cares about
the world. And now as a new mom, she really
is in love with like, you know, making sure that
kids are taking care of it and that you know,
(08:03):
people are doing what they.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Can do to help them.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
To new music.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I haven't heard the new music.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's a lie, and I start smiling, you start smiling laughing.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Is because one I look at some interviews when I
talk about her, you know, that's one relationship I don't
even want to I don't even want to talk about
it because it's just, you know, I do love her
so much and I care about her, and she's a
sweet person, but she's so dialed in to what's happening.
I've never asked to go to the studio because I
don't want to hear anything. Because I do have a
problem keeping secrets sometimes, and that's one that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I haven't heard the music.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Who's your favorite celebrity to hang out with? We've seen
you with Tiff, We've seen you with Cardi, we've seen
you a rere.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Who is your favorite? You just name them one?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you know, favorite celebrity to hang out with?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
And why, well, I will say I'll say Rihanna because
it's the it's the hanging out that you don't see,
you know, It's there's no cameras, it's not social media,
it's we just talk about life. We did karaoke. I
think it's just those moments, you know. Yeah, Charlotte made
one day. I don't know if you text your call.
(09:05):
He said, you know, it's interesting how you do what
you're doing. You have all these relationships, but yeah, I'm
not I don't want anymore, you know. I like the
ones that I have. I don't know that no new friends.
Not to quote Trake because I know he had an
underdog right now, but yeah, just it's really weird because
now that I am sober and I am in therapy,
I see how I've been used many times or you know,
(09:26):
the relationships just aren't really real.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I don't want any more new friends. I'm good
with the ones I got.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
You wouldn't have anything that you regret though, since your sobriety.
Like I don't regret anything because I feel like everything
I've done is a lesson. But I will say that
when I was here, I did made that off the
cuff comment about Jennifer Hudson.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That's what she was literate and terrible. Okay, we don't
need to.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Let me say it this, let's let's play it.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I will say this.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
You know, I think you can be critical people without
being mean. It wasn't off the cuff, unplanned comment talking
about something completely unrelated. But then you know after that,
you know, of course I got all the flag. That
wasn't why I think I want to apologize for sure,
because I don't really care when people have an opinion
about me online. I saw her at the Vice President's house,
(10:18):
and when I saw her, I just I felt bad
and I wanted to say somebody was you know, what
do you do you do? It was the wrong setting
to go up and have a conversation. Plus Karen Sivil
was right there, and it was like it was already
too much going.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
On, and you couldn't pass her no because you already
said don't think you can read, so you will show how.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Jesus Rice back to my apology now, because what you know,
you know the game on the mainstream. I own my
own platform, so I don't play the game. I don't
have to audition. I don't have to be good for anybody.
I just do what I do. I leave it there
and I go on with my business. But in this
world of entertainment, you know, old white men like the
people who owned DeMar Mercury, will find a black person
(10:54):
to market to white people because that's the advertising game.
And I just felt like at the time, you know,
she wasn't the best talk show host. I could have
been critical of that decision and criticized them, not attack her.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To say she was the literate was wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Plus she's been through a lot of traumatic stuff, Like
I have been to see her in public, and you know,
she gave me a lot of grace because she could
have read the shit out of me. She didn't, But
I felt bad. I'm gonna send her personal known some
flowers and you know, piece it up with her. You know,
at least do my part. It's not to be friends
or anything like that, but just I just felt like
it was unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So didn't y'all speaking to BP thing. You just didn't
even go up to her.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Nah, And I'm cool with Common too, and they were together.
It just it was just awkward. It was one of
the things where like I walked in the room. As
soon as I hit the corner, she was standing there,
and I wasn't going to walk up and have that
conversation because as soon as I walk in the room,
if there's ever been anything online, people automatically assume it's
about to go down or it's just a feeling that's uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
So yeah, I was going to ask, you know, have
you ever ran in a comment like because yeah and
think about it or no.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We me and him talked at that party too.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Me and Common we're not friends, but you know, we
were friendly and we communicate a lot when he was
dating Tiffany, so we're We've been in each other's space,
has been on my show.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
He's cool. I like and respect him. He didn't say anything,
you know, to pictures, and it was cool.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He keeps him, he keeps it separate, and he his handy.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah, so the comment.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
But I told Jason earlier a while ago, it's just
like for him to do what he does, I've never seen.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't know what you called. I don't want to
say gossip blogger. You gave me.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
You're the one that gave me the title culture critic,
because that when I first started doing this, they were
calling me everything, literally everything. I don't really care. I
didn't have a title. I didn't like the title blogger
only because I feel like in what we do will
be reduced to blogger when we have influenced that. You know,
this guy was telling me recently, because I was going
back and forth with this guy who wants to manage me,
(12:37):
he said, because I've never had a manager. He said,
you know, the challenge with managing you is that you
know you're controversial. And I said, well, there's good controversy
and there's bad controversy. I said, when Howard Stern does
what he does, everybody praises him. When Joe Rogan does
what he does, everybody praises him. And what he said
was he said, when they go viral, it's contained in
the space.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
When you go.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Viral, it just scatters everywhere and it's hard to to control.
And I thought, okay, so to me, that's the influence.
I don't understand why that's a bad thing, but you know, again,
we know what that is. So yeah, culture critic, once
you said that, I took and ran with that.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
But to do what you do and still have the
relationships with celebrities is like unheard of.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And Wendy didn't have that. I don't know if for
Z Hilton did, but I know Wendy didn't have it.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But I think the thing that people still fail to
realize is that you know, you can not like me
or hate me or hate on what I do or whatever,
I still have a relationship with you. With everybody in
the industry, Hollywood on Locked has a relationship.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Some just participate, some don't. You know.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Right now, there's this whole thing where, you know, people
think that I don't like jay Z or Beyonce. I
love Beyonce. I like jay Z. I don't know him,
but I love Beyonce. And but you know, the platform
is the platform. I am, though, backing up from Hollywood
Unlocked as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
In the new year.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
I'm putting my staff out there more. I use Hollywood
on Loock to build my brand identity. I have it now.
I really want to do things that are purpose driven.
My community is important. My show. I'm in love with
my show. But outside of that and my dogs, I
really don't want to go nowhere.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't want to do nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I don't want to really talk to nobody that don't
have anything to do with what I'm on in Hollywood
on lock. That thing can go and run and my
team is going to do that work. I still own it,
make all the money. But I just you had the
industry in what I thought it was different.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
When do you decide when you're not going to tell
a story or when you're gonna wait? Right, So the
MEGANI style of the story, you teased it months before
it was released.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
By the way, I like how you set that up.
Let me tell you, let me tell you why I
intentionally did that. And I like that you pointed out
that it was in July. There's so many stories that
we get on a daily basis, you know what I mean?
Like I there's so many stories we got on a
daily basis. It's I don't get the grace for the
stuff we don't put out, so you'll never know, like
(14:46):
you'll never say, Jason, man, he did that because I
didn't do it. You know, you don't know what I
didn't put out. There's lots of marriages that I go, man,
that marriage is, that marriage is beautiful on social media
when it's really like there's a whole bunch of other
stuff behind it, or you know anyway. So I don't
get grace for the stuff that we don't put out.
And I think that's the part that I'm struggling with
because the men and I do say something, you know,
(15:07):
like the thing that did go viral with Beyonce. You know,
we did a lot to protect Beyonce and jay Z.
That has nothing to do with this stupid story that's
in the news right now. That's just to me ridiculous,
right and unbelievable. But we did a lot to protect them.
But because we have to deal with their handlers, you know,
and then they don't know the grace that their handlers
aren't giving us. It's this thing where people feel like
(15:29):
this we're in that old school game of you know,
just deal with the help. No, I don't deal with
the help. I'm a principal, you a principal. If I
have something that's going on or you have something that's
going on, we can either deal with each other and
if not cool, then we do our job and then
it is what it is. But people try to judge
the grace that we don't give based on maybe the
grace we give somebody else. I'm closer to a Charlemagne
(15:49):
than I am to a Joe Rogan, So it's going
to be a different relationship because proximity is going to
change the job, and I think people are having a
hard time digesting that. That's why I'm just like, I
don't want to deal with it no more.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Deal with the platform.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
If you don't like a story, talk about it online,
and then we'll just keep doing the work.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Don't.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I don't get the grace that that I deserve. But
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Something, he said.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Nobody's always I say that about Wendy all the time.
I say, the beauty of Wendy Williams is wasn't what
she went on the air with. It was the thing
she didn't talk about. Wendy could have been crushing with
the things she could have actually been saying, and that's
what I just I just that's interesting to hear you
say that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Because that's the same thing.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It's a sensitive balance though too, you know, like you
have somebody like a Serena Williams. We have a relationship
that I don't we don't promote. But you know, recently
I had to say, I really need you to read
my book because I really need you to understand like
the background of Hawai Am because there's knowing me Jason,
and then there's knowing me from Instagram or social media
or my show, two totally different people. Back to the
(16:50):
make thing. The reason why I held onto that for
so long, there's a couple of reasons. One, you know,
I love the fact that Michael Rubin has a successful career,
successful business is and lots of privilege that he takes
advantage of, and that he has the White Party. Of
the white party I thought was ours from a long
time ago, right before you know, the baby oil and
Dildo start flying around.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Still got their job.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
But you know, but but but cultural cultural, what they say,
they co opt the culture they they took that. So
now that's the party everybody wants to go to, which
is great and I've been to it. It's a good party,
you know, when Michael's not hanging on your back.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
When I when I heard about what happened at the party,
I was like, Yo, that really went down.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I went there. You know, I didn't get my invite.
So I'm gonna just hold on to that.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Well, Megan and Winnie, I know both of them, but
then just Meghan, there's so much out there with her
that people don't know. I just felt like, you know,
and the party, I'm just going to drop it. But
I have to win office first. That's why I had to.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hold on to it.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I can't drop it. While I was, I already went
viral with the Jennifer has the thing. I'm gonna do this,
So I'm gonna just wait, so all way till I
got elected.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Then I dropped.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was also going to ask, you know what Trump's
soon and whin a fifth ta million dollars for somebody
reporting a wrong story?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah not just somebody. That was George step.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's why they said his last name.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So when it comes to your staff, do you tell
them to make sure you understand what's going on? Because
now if you report a wrong story.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I mean, I reported the Queen died.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
And that's that's my point.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If you report the wrong story, they're gonna be soon
now because the fact that Trump get fifteen million, in
the fact that Trump's about to change this.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If you report the queen died and she didn't die,
that usually is a career.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But here's the deal. One, we never saw her after
I reported it. We didn't hot Twitter right now, everybody's
on Twitter. We did not see We saw a photo
of it that you know.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
She signed the park drinking coffee or something like that.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
She was not and she was she was, she was gone.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
She was gone T shirt on.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
She had a free Windy mug.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
No, but you know, by the way, the way they
have locked Windy away is insane.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Here.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
No, you didn't Florida, I said, Okay, anyway, the queen.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
We didn't see her after I said she was dead.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So even though I was on vacation when I broke that,
I you know, I kind of stand behind it, but
still I don't want to double down anymore because that
was just enough.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But she was dead.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So look, I feel like I tell my writers all
the time, and you know, you have to have lots.
We have to have insurance. We have insurance for everything.
We have millions dollars worth insurance. So if you do stuff,
we get sued whatever. I've been sued probably more than
twenty times for using images we weren't supposed to use.
But I mean, yeah, they do their research and they
make sure that they follow uh you know, all the
all the rules. But sometimes you make a mistake. That
(19:41):
was a big mistake that George made that one word. Yeah,
but rape versus battery and defamation, I mean wait, yeah,
so we have to watch it my show. On my show,
we have insurance and stuff too, but I do have
to watch what I say because people are suing I'll sue.
We should be suing it, right, jay Z should be suing,
but he is right now.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I'll show you. I'm sure. I'm sure to be a
definit mission.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Yeah, your show, The Jason Leisho was coming back exclusively
on ZEUS.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
And you know what, I have to shot out Limeal
Plumber too because Zeus. You know, they also aired our
award show, which, by the way, I hopefully you guys
come next year.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I still ain't been there and you got an award.
It's right there. Exactly.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
But yeah, we I mean, we're a black owned award
show on a black network. I mean, I've been very
intentional about working with black people. I mean, and Lemeo,
you know, you know, he he got the chaos over there,
but he's done a really good job of helping us
to platform the award show. I didn't seek out other
partnerships to distribute it because I really wanted to, you know,
keep it within our culture.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
This lot.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
This year, we honored Sharon Stone, Cardi, Jasmine Crockett being Crump,
who else?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
We had, Christian.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Lubleton, we had a lot of different with Tiffany Havash
host Uh next.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Day, come to your award show.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's the difference between what he's doing in their podcast too.
They're actually coming to your award show.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, well that's what happens when you know, again, this
is a black owned culture celebrated show. And no disrespect
to BEC because I just worked with them yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
But you know, it's not owned by us, and I
think that they you know, I'm willing to go over
there and help them produce it. But yeah, we we
we individually invite all the honorees and they show up
this year was crazy. Next year is already gonna be crazy.
And shout out to baby Face. He said, you know,
if you want me to do your music next year,
I'll do your music.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So we don't wow.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Wow, you know you already know who you want to
honor this year.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Absolutely, Do you want to say it now?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:32):
No, because I want to lock them all in first.
But this year is gonna be Next year's gonna be
bigger than ever, and we do it right there. We
were very intention about doing at the Hilton Ballroom where
they do the Clive Davis Party and the Emmys and
all that, because you know, we need to move our
stuff in spaces where they may not want us there
or we you know, or they think we can't afford it,
so we we Yeah, it was great this year.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I was a Jonathan Major's moment in person.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Oh yeah, we honor Johnathan. You know, it was great
when we decided to honor John Thon. You know, we
live in cancel culture where everybody wants to cancel culture.
And I've been against counsel culture from the beginning because
I feel like it's it's applied unfairly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know, we've all been subject to it. But we
all still standing.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
And I think in rent space in people's head, they
don't understand you actually can't overcome the bus the bs
of cancel culture. Jonathan was an easy one. When I
looked at what he went through.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I look at you know, Im mattil or you look
at the Central Park five or times where people have
thrown stuff on us. That isn't true.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
And I felt like, man, this year the Impact Awards
is really about moments of impact throughout the opportunities to
create impactful conversation. And Jonathan went through a very public
scenario where he is one of the most talented actors
I've ever seen, and Matt and just watch him go
through that with that woman, I feel like, let's let's
elevate the conversation of redemption. When do we get redemption?
(22:49):
Like when is are we not redeemable people? You know
the same way I think BT missed the moment with
Chris Brown during the Usher tribute. You should have had
Chris there. You know, everybody deserves redemption. And when I
asked him to do it, we had lunch and he
was just emotional. I mean he was he cried because
he was surprised that somebody actually wanted to give him
that honor. When he came, I called jan Lavanza. I
(23:11):
asked her to present to him, and you know, at
first she was just like, well, let me think about this,
and she came back and wrote her her thing. And
then I asked Karen Karen Clark Sheer to sing a song.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
For him.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
And then when he when he did it, it was
just so powerful that everybody in the room was crying
because he was honest about his experience and he still
maintained his innocence and then now to see the case
be thrown out after he lost so much.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But he does have a new movie. That's that he
that he just did that I watched. It's I mean,
I think he's going to have a great comeback. And
it was a moving moment.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Was that the magazine Dreams movie? Yep, yeah, is it
really good?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
It's it's I told him. I was like, Yo, I
don't know, it's it's yeah, it's it's great.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Now, when you when you become counselmen in January, what's
the first thing you want to do?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well, one, we're gonna restore order in my city. Part
of the problem is that I told everybody, and I
think they haven't been listening to me on the campaign
til because they kind of wrote me off as he's
just a rich out of town celebrity, reality star bloger
whatever they did, and which is fine, because that was
a distraction. I needed to put my head down to
actually win. I said, I'm going to get in there
and audit all the measure a money, all the money
(24:19):
that you all have been spending, and.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
If I find anything, were on, y'all going to jail.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
And I meant that, and so the first thing on
January seventh, I'm ordering to audit and I'm on the
budget committee of all the money, and they know that
that's coming. And I can feel the shifting happening in
my community. I think, just how we invest in nonprofits,
nonprofits led by women, people of color, really looking at
how the city can partner to invest in those that
are doing the real work and touching those who needed
(24:43):
the most. And then homelessness is a big issue in
my community. So we've been bringing folks from the state there.
This man named Mark Fossels managing a six point three
eight billion dollar budget that the city never applied for.
He's now in the city, meeting with the county and
city officials about how to get some of that money
there for homelessness and you know, just creating opportunities for
young people because that's that city is where I met
Queen Latif for.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Thirty years ago. That inspired me to get in entertainment,
and that literally a locked everything.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Yeah, so tell him I'm very jealous of that. Your relationship.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, we talk about you don't lie? Yeah for real?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah, I told you, you know, I told her you
know what you said that how much you care about
her and love her and I'd love her too. And
ironically she's never been on either of our show never.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Ain't that crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean, I'm fine with it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
But because she's been an inspiration from Afar her ad
Shot Kim, Yeah, because I just always believe in in
building institutions, especially with black women, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
And Shot Kim was one of the first brothers I
saw do that, Like really say, yo, me and this
black woman right here, we're gonna build something.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
And look what they've built.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
But you know what I learned in therapy, I respect
you so much for encouraging me. To go to therapy,
but I also don't like that you encourage me to
go to therapy. I'll tell you why. I think therapy
in many ways has made me softer.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't like that?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't, you know, because I think it's okay to
have feelings, like I have feelings, right, I do have,
I believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I have feelings.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
But I also feel like when people feel like you're vulnerable,
they then try to take advantage of you even more.
And I have had more people trying it, but at
least with sobriety and clarity.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You see it now, and I'm like, I call it out.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
What I learned in therapy though, with Queen Latifa is
that I feel like I had abandonment issues for my
mom because my mother, when she was on drugs, would
come to the group home and visit me or foster
from it, and then she would never take me home
with her. And it wasn't because she didn't want me.
She just was on drugs and couldn't. She just wasn't well,
you know, and she had mental health issues and stuff.
So because I wanted her to show up for me,
and she didn't when I would Now that I've become
(26:43):
Jason Lee and Hollywood unlocked all that and queenly Ty
for not showing up and my fans asking where she is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It was triggering.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
And it wasn't until I was in therapy I was like, well,
I got abantmage, So I had to really like compartmentalize
that relationship and say I do.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Have access to her. I love her. She gave me
inspiration to pursue my dreams. She gave me this port
where my brother was murdered and spent time talking to
me through that.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And which is more important?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Which is that's all the more important stuff?
Speaker 5 (27:07):
And I also know she don't want to call on
my show because when she does, she bring her ass
up there. We're gonna really talk and we when you
talk to your friend, you know, telling them what to
come out.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, absolutely, But I look siate you for jordan Us
brother of course.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Counselman Jason Lee.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's right, it's Jason Lee, Ladies, counselman Jason Lee.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
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