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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day, a weak up, the Breakfast Club finish for
y'all done.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Morning, everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the
guy we are the Breakfast Club. Laurla Roses here as well.
We got some special guests.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
In the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, indeed, you got Chris Lofton, we got Isaac Keys,
and we got Joseph Sicar.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Fantastic.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
You saw that the first episode that drafts us heavy
last week. Guess right, set it up for the rest.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Of the season. It's going to be fire season.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
How do y'all approach doing a final season? How does
that even make y'all feel? Is it bittersweet?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Like?
Speaker 7 (00:36):
Is how do you approach it?
Speaker 8 (00:37):
I think you like you just said a bittersweet, But
you know, I think once we know it's the final season,
I think it makes us to go a lot harder,
you know what I mean, like make sure we make
the scenes a little bit more intense. I think the
writing room did the same thing. Is just making sure
that every episode had a main factor to it. You know,
it's actors, you know, like we're gonna put our best
foot forward, and I think we did a great job
doing that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is it always that feeling like the last show will
be so amazing, but like, yeah, we just can't end
like that. We gotta do another one or another one.
Is that is that everal feeling all you're like now
as a rep?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Well, I think that Gary and I just wanted to
make sure that we gave Chicago Chicago's do. A big
thing was is that I didn't produce the first season,
just the second and the third season. And a big
thing for me was getting Chicago better, you know, a
little bit more realistic. Like even the Power Show is
kind of like New York adjacent, but we wanted to
be Chicago adjacent, but it's like it's a real place.
(01:23):
We wanted to show the diversity within the diversity, Like
I think it was kind of like like a globular
South side of Chicago, a globular West side and that
I just mean that there was no specificity or details,
and we do a lot more detail oriented stuff in
the third season, and I think that the city is
really going to bless this show for this final season.
Speaker 9 (01:43):
What did you do to do? What was your research
like leaving this well.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, you know, I mean I moved I moved to
New York twenty six years ago. So it's like, you know,
I went back early, and I met with cops and
robbers and asked and learned more about the city, because
when I was there, there was really it was really
a city.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Of gang nations.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, there was folks and people and and a
lot of things that were the rules, that were street
rules that were followed. And now with the emergence of
kind of like all these renegade gangs and gangs within
that used to be nations that kind of went against
each other, where would the pipeline be coming from? How
would Tommy Egan survive in this? Who would want to
just make the money and who would just want to
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see him dead? And I think that we do a
lot of responsible storytelling in like there's a million people
going at each other in on the south side and
on the west side, and where the distribution comes from,
and some of the cartels that would really truly exist.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
That mimic the cartels in real life. That's what we did.
Speaker 10 (02:34):
Were there any things in your research trying to get
it so real where you were like, nah, we don't
want to touch this just because of what may actively
be happen or just because his history wise, you just
don't want to.
Speaker 9 (02:44):
You don't want to Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Well you know, yeah, I mean Chris and Ira bo
from Chicago, and there's definitely you know, I mean it's
not that I'm this age, this old. It's like in
my thirties and forties, even going back, I mean I
remember it'd be like, you know, you don't want people
from the past popping up and being like yo, man,
so how you why did you put it like that?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Or why did you do this like this?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And so you do there is kind of you know,
it's it's adjacent, but it but it mimics the real life.
It's like people if you know, you know style and
I think there's a lot of wink Wick non nods
to to real life stuff going in there.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But yeah, I mean you want to be careful, you know.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Tommy says an interesting tags Joseph, like, you know, he's
always either chasing control or power or loyalty or revenge.
Like what what's driving him this season?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Man, that's a great question. A lot I think a
lot of it is revenge and kind of this this
uh this hunger for power and how that that the power?
You know they say power corrupts of complete power, corrupts completely.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Absolutely absolute power collapse. Absolutely. I know it's always just.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
A little smarter than me, but that's that's what it is.
And I think that again, it's it's like can you
have it all? And that's that's the question, because Tommy
is going for it all this time and is he
going to sacrifice loyalty with Diamond? Is he gonna is
he gonna do backhanded deals with Jennard who is a
backhanded deal master? But yeah, so it's a really exciting season.
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Gary Lennon again, our showrunner in the whole writing room
did a fantastic job. I'm so proud of them, and
I think the fans are.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Going to be really happy.
Speaker 11 (04:14):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
I always feel like Diamond's trying to move righteous in
a dirty world.
Speaker 11 (04:18):
I agree, I'm doing a great job man.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Trying to portray I think you know it is like
you just said, like you can't it's not moral values
too much in the street now, that's the street codes.
You try to go buy those things, but those more
than values to get you killed. And he was trying
to play both sides for so long. And the thing
now is you started to see he's starting to like
he's choosing the side he's both feed in, you know.
Now he's actually kind of looking at at Tommy like
while you while you're in love, you know, looking at
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his brother Jennar, because he wants that brother relationship, I believe,
But at the same time that's gonna it could be
his downfall. I mean, it's all about relationships and alliances
right now, and how you choose and what side you're
gonna choose to go on. And I think Domina's in
the calling that little Quandra right now, you.
Speaker 10 (04:58):
Guys relationship, I was gonna say, Diamond and Tommy, Joseph Isaac,
you guys relationship in the new season kind of mimics
what the relationship was with Ghosts.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
And Tommy a bit in the reverse.
Speaker 11 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Yeah, And it's weird because it's like, now you're in
that power seat, no pun intendent, but now you're in
a driver's seat, right and you're able to like choose
what you say what you don't say, and you're kind
of like controlling him. Was that purposely done for the
fans who've been following all the shows to kind of
put that together?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yes, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But I also love how it mimics just like that
hurt people, hurt people and if you know, you kind
of follow the faults of your father or.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Whatever that expression.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Charla Mane will correct me, but there, you know, the
sins of the father. It's like there's there is there
is this kind of reverseness that's happening too, And we'll
see what happens to Tommy, because ultimately, what happened to
ghosts so you know, you gotta see what happened.
Speaker 12 (05:50):
Definitely, there was a moment in the first episode where
there was that when you came to talk to him
in the warehouse.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I felt like you turned into ghost in that moment, and.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
But Tommy checked himself too.
Speaker 12 (06:00):
Yeah, but I felt like ghost would have did that
to you. It was almost like reverse psychology, like you
were just telling them what you know he needed hard.
Speaker 10 (06:07):
Yeah, I felt like I didn't even know you thought
that you were checking yourself in that moment.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
And it's hard to talk about, but.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was real.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I mean, I think Tommy is an honest character in
the way when he's like, yo, man, I should have
told you everything. I should have done that, but it's
timely going to do it again. That's the that's the thing. Yes,
it's like it was smart. It's like kind of magniplance.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
He knew how to he needed, knew how to dob
like minimize the situation at the time because that felt
diamonds coming out. And I think that was a different
level of seeing Tommy, you know, and Joseph play that.
So you know, yeah, I thought it was. It's a
great thing because it was even hard for me as
a character, like they like, no bring it. I'm like,
y'all want me to bring it, you knowing like that
no bringing And it's starting to it starts to build
with the character.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Chris, how do you see Jenaud did I see people
call him the smart villains and people call him a
monster as he just a man trying to out hustle
a system that's against against him.
Speaker 12 (06:51):
Man, I think Jannard is misunderstood because honestly, Isaac hate
when I go off into this tangent, but I honestly
feel like nobody's looking at it the right way. I
feel like, cause I'm actually from Chicago, I try to
implement a lot of what I know the people are
gonna be watching this saying like, nah, that ain't that
ain't how we were doing in Chicago. Y'all really gonna
let this white boy come up in here and do that?
So to me, I feel like I'm the voice of
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the fans. So to me, I look at Ginnard as
to me, the only one that got some sense for real,
Because why I'm supposed to not know anything about what
Tommy was doing those six years on power, I'm supposed
to not know that. To me, this is just a
white man in Chicago who may or may not be
the police. Nobody knows, Like, why are we all so
trusting in him?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Like nobody?
Speaker 12 (07:32):
And then with my brother, I'm like, Okay, you were
in prison. I heard you like to cut hair in jail.
That's what you was in there doing, right, Bought you
a barbershop, Put you up. You're comfortable, You got something
to do. Stay out the way. You're on parole.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
You hot.
Speaker 12 (07:45):
You're not supposed to be touching the streets. You're gonna
mess up the whole organization. If you get caught, you're
gonna blow it all up. So I'll handle it, talk
to you, will deliberate, will be partners, brothers.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
You know that was my goal. My dream didn't work.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Out like that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is that difficult to make it make sense? Because what
you just said is I have to make it me.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I had to make it make sense because you know,
we look at.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Him from we understand it. But this is a new series.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Yes, yeah, to me trying to make it make sense.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
I did create that backstory, I said with I've remember
I told Joseph Isaac and with Gary lenn and our showrunner.
I created a whole backstory in my head to make
some of this makes sense. Because obviously I would never
go against my brother trying to kill my brother.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 12 (08:22):
But I tried to make it make sense. To Jannar,
It's like, Okay, we talking about millions of dollars. This
organization CBR is supposed to be worth millions of dollars,
And if he's been in prison for fifteen years, that
means I kind of know more life without him than
with him. And now if we add millions of dollars
into the mix and some new person that nobody knows
who's white, how about I kill.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Both of you?
Speaker 12 (08:43):
Right? How about I just killed both of you. You You
ain't even been here for fifteen years. Anyway I could
do without you. You know, so it's like I don't understand.
Like so that's how I had to convince myself. And
sometimes I get too invested in it and I'm like, yeah,
you know what, get to invest I get to invest
in sometimes and I'll be like, no, this is wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Nobody gets you.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
That across on screen though.
Speaker 10 (09:05):
I feel like on screen you're like the little brother
that's like, no, I can do this, listen to me,
Listen to me.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
But then you be messing up and then you gotta
call it.
Speaker 11 (09:11):
Thank you me up.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
That's what a little brother.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Thing though, what it's people?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
I mean in New York, I told them.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
That I was gonna say.
Speaker 10 (09:24):
And speaking of the brother dynamic, you guys dynamic is
kind of like the same but a bit different in
this new season because you're kind of making your own
moves and you got your girl and she's you know,
helping you a bit more. You trusting them a little
bit more, but you're not. At the same time, what
do you guys want your relationship to say to people
in a regular world about brother relationships?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Big brother little brother relationships. People that don't sell drugs or.
Speaker 12 (09:47):
They do, right, I would personally, I would probably say
like forgiveness could probably be a thing, and love Trump's
all and blood is definitely thinking the water. I think
I would want people to like take that from it,
like blood is truly thinking the water.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And your family.
Speaker 12 (10:00):
I feel like the only people closest to you can
hurt you, because if you don't care about somebody, they
can't hurt your feelings. They can't they can't betray you.
You know, it has to come from somebody you love.
So I feel like learning to forgive and learning that
family Trump's all is something that I would want people
to know.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
But blood is finite. Water is infinite, you know there's.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, I think water is going to make you survive
longer than blood. You drink that a little bit, you
know what I mean. The French soldiers with the Russian horses,
but the life giving the war.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
Man you take it to war. I think, you know,
it's it's real life.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
Like you know, we all have family members that we
necessarily don't get along, but we still kind of love them.
But we may have to keep it from afar, but
we should try to figure them out. I think it's
really deep about the relationships. I think the whole show
really dives into how the relationship and the toxicity of it,
you know, like you know, like you know, really all
just communicate if you just communicate with the person, if
his brother, if Dime just with the gave Gennard a hook,
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you know, another hug or sometimes he might have made
him feel a little better or just talked about it,
like how do you gonna kill your brother? Like it's
the deepness and the deafiness of what you're willing to
lose and sacrifice for what you want to kind of
mold you want and then how does that align in
your life? Like to him killing his brother, that wasn't
nothing for him some people that's something hard to do.
We still get on the streets all the time like
why why you don't kill you? Why you don't kill
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your brother? Why you don't you know, unlive your brother.
It's like can you do that? Would you be able
to do in the world? So that tussle, I think
is just amazing to be the show, the relationship to it.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
You sound like saying this man just feel motivational.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
For some reason.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Sometimes what does redemption look like for Diamond? Like now
that the streets, you know, keep pulling him back.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
I think Ultimately, what Diamond wants he wants that be
able to make this money, have power, but he doesn't
want all the violence and stuff to go along with it.
At some point, like if it was the best world,
the coalition, everybody working together, you know, everybody's making money.
Let's just do that and be cool, you know, And
I think that, yeah, and I think but it's like,
you know, when you see the character of detimed character
coming with Joseph play so well, it's like, na, we
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want more than that, we want more of that. So
he's still got to make his moves and make his moves,
you know, in align with how he wants to move,
so that somehow kind of creates that friction between everyone
in a sense because there's so many players in this.
You know, we still have the little Latin of the
cartel side and how the control that they have. So
now we're trying to you know, I think diamonds redemptious.
He really just wanted to He wants to be there,
but but you know, it ain't gonna work the way
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he wants it to work, and that's how it works.
Speaker 10 (12:32):
You do you think the world will ever look at
the game organization as like anything for anything righteous they've
ever done. I know with BMF fifty also try to
talk about the family union and stuff like that. And
it's very prevalent that you're that character in this show.
But people don't see that. They only say why would
you guys be in a show that showcases all these things.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
I'm sure you get that question on the time. Do
you think the world will ever say?
Speaker 10 (12:53):
But wait, there was a righteous component to this, There
was a family aspect, yes.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
And I think even outside the show, we make sure
we do a lot of stuff in the community. I
make sure we talking speaking engagements and talking to make
sure we know this is entertainment. It's telling the story,
you know, a story of some made up characters, of
some made up characters that you know, how they how
they move in the streets, and how their life and
how they find the family dynamics happen. And I think
that also by showing that in Chicago, with all the
things that's going on with the city of Chicago, we're
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able to show the entertainment part of it, but we're
also able to talk touch on some of the things
of the diversity of the city and how the city
is made up. In the history and the architecture, and
and just kind of giving some more light on the
city in that way as well too. But I think
it's very important for people to know even as we talk,
is to make sure that we know that this is
a story. It's a TV series, it's not real life.
It's the Power Universe. We know that's not you know,
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real life. It's so many things that happened that must
think pulls up anywhere and no parking tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I will say that that these stories are might not
be based on somebody's real life, but they are lives
that's happening out there.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Every time.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Me and my brother.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That's how it was, you mean. And that's why I
think stories mean so much, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And a lot of times, like she said, a lot
of people feel like, oh, well, they're idolizing or they're
making it seem like this, But for a lot of times,
that's what we grew up seeing, right, We grew up
seeing the local drug dealers, and you always wanted to
know what I always wanted to know, like how did
they do their business?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
How did it work?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So I think this kind of gives you an inside
falls or not false but primarily true.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Of how would work and how it got down. So
when you tape so.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Things, so Tommy would have been in jail a long
time ago. Man, he drives the same getaway.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Car all right, and it's loud, hard to drive, toot,
it'd be pretty easy to peg Tommy.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He's not switching up rides all that much.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Although in the original Power Show they did, you know,
some of that some of that stick that.
Speaker 12 (14:43):
I think that when you made that drive of Chicago,
you switched cars in the original.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Right, No, it's like they bucked me out of the car.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Let's not talk about season one.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I was gonna ask, you know, when you talk about
street credit and talking about what's real, how how important
is street code when you're doing these shows.
Speaker 12 (15:01):
I honestly do think it's important. Honestly, we got to
keep it true to what it is. But also there
are some things that we don't want to touch on
because it's too real.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Like that's why they don't mention like real gangs.
Speaker 12 (15:12):
We make up gang names because we don't want to
seem like we're promoting actual gang violence in the city
or making other gangs because our dms are crazy. I
can't speak for everybody, but mine is insane. Like my
dms get crazy when the show on the death threats
and a lot of people, oh dog, I get crazy DM.
So it's like we try to be careful with that
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outen you.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Slipping little vernacular improves that every now and again when
I see in the cut.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Because I'm really from Chicago, so I'll try to slip in.
Speaker 11 (15:45):
Again.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I'll try to slip it in and there.
Speaker 12 (15:46):
Because I know the city is going to be like bro,
I know, I know like that the city of Chicago
is behind it. I feel like New York and Chicago
are two cities that they don't. We don't really particularly
like when actors portray being from there if they're not
really from there, Like we don't want you to come
from LA and try to be on a New York
TV show saying you a hood dude from New York.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I don't know, man, London Brown crushes it as I'm
gomor what he knows.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
An exceptional case. London Brown shout out to London. That's
my dog.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
But like, I don't feel like New York and Chicago likes.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That that LAY don't like it at all. LA is
another one, yeah, and they don't like it at all.
And I alway also wanted to know when y'all shoot
so many different films, how do y'all stay in character?
Speaker 11 (16:26):
TV shows?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
TV shows?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, how do y'all say in character in all the shows?
Because you have different characters in different shows.
Speaker 12 (16:32):
I mean, for me, is the simple version for me
is action and cut, Like I'm not with you. Yeah,
I've never been that guy for real that really like
takes it home with me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I just me neither.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Yeah, I just know how to disassociated a lot more from.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I just find that there's a lot more fun when
you get to it is. But also it's like coming
you know, coming from the theater. Do you know, It's
like if you're not going to bring that character home,
you're playing the guy for six months, you know what
I mean, You're just you just bring it to the theater.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
That's what you warm them up. That's why you get,
you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Imagine Joe who pulled up to pick up his kid
from school. He pulled up in the car.
Speaker 10 (17:05):
Yeah, when I see you, it's so hard to not
see Tommy, all of you guys. It's hard to not
envision y'all in the show. I'm like then, I was
just watching you last night.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
Like me, I think Jo does.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
A fantastic job acting because he's nothing like Tommy in
real life.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Too, but the voice is there.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
He's selling copious amounts of drugs.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
But I'll be wondering, with all the spin offs, what
makes four stand out to you creatively and just all
of the different shows when you got to show up
this Tommy, do these shows even feel different?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I mean they don't when I show up as Tommy.
Tommy is Tommy is Tommy. And I feel like on
the original it was fun doing the guests that's on
the Ghost Show just to be that, and I love
Michael so much, so it was always fun to come
back and do something with him. But I think that, yeah,
Tommy is kind of his own entity and one of
the fun things about taking the character home. I always
kept Tommy as close as I needed those first seasons
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to make sure that, you know, everything was right and consistent,
and that was my job. But like now, it is
fun in some capacity this, you know, ten eleven, twelve
years on from the original to be just be like
let the light.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Switch go, just to see what happens, because I'm not even.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Positive what I'm going to do in those situations because
I have the luxury of like this character who's.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Got its own life, so you just flip it on.
Sometimes this happens. Sometimes it happened, I'm like, oh, that's
kind of funny or bizarre or whatever. So that that
has been a wonderful part of this journey.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I always want to go also too, when you took
the audition to play Joseph play time, I should say,
did you think it would be this far?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And did did you want to do it?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Was like the original audition.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I wanted to do it so bad because well, because
you know, I played around in the streets growing up,
and I you know, I was a very unsuccessful actor
for many years, and even in Chicago the lot of
the areas where you because I was a graffiti writer
that many people know. So you know what I mean,
You're dipping into these different kind of life and stuff
like that based Tommy a lot on guys that I
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was scared of growing up and you know, making your
way through. So I think I felt like I just
just like, they're going to hire.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Some pretty guy and they're going to get it all wrong.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
And but so I passed on the initial audition for it,
just because I was getting married, and so I was
just like, I can't make the audition. But then it
came back around because you guys know that Fifth was
originally going to play the ghost character, and then when
he wasn't going to anymore than they had re auditions
for everything.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And I like the script.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I thought this would be great, and I was a
fan of Fifth anyway. And then when I actually got it,
you know, I was the only one that auditioned from
New York, and so it was five auditions and finally
in La we did the chemistry reads and blah blah blah,
and when I booked it, I was really I was
super excited, and I said, the fifth is amazing.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know, I hope it goes more than a season
or whatever. He goes, this can go seven, And he
was almost right. I mean six and a half is
pretty texting me.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I mean, actually more if you think about it, if
you yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
All the spin offs now it's been, it's been whatever.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know, so what series means more to you, the
original Power or the four spinner.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
It's hard to say.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I just like working with Gary Lennon as a writer, like,
that's what it means. I mean, I think that just
Gary bringing in the authenticity of his brothers being you know,
Westy's from a hell's kitchen and Gary's brings in so
much of the life of it. And even though Tommy's
from South Side Jamaica, I think, just like the whole
the authenticity of New York that Gary brings to the
character has really been a dance of two people. So
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whatever Gary's writing means most of me.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
But I like, I love these guys.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
These are brothers and brothers for life, and I'm so
happy that I have you know, got to have friends
like this on the Force show, so that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Means a lot.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But it was also a meant a lot for me
to produce the show. And finally, because it's hard, man,
people don't want to give you even when you've earned
your seat at the table. You guys know that nobody
wants to let you have that seat, and everybody's still
vying for it. And even when I'm doing it, especially
the second season, you had people like picking at you,
trying to put you down, like playing weird games. Behind
the scenes, You're just like, stop this nonsense. What is
(20:53):
happening here? But I think that I'm really proud of
the third season. I think the fans are going to
like it the best out of any of the season
at the four.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Shit, Now, what's more grueling NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Or being an actor?
Speaker 11 (21:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Because on Monday you're gonna get what you did wrong
in the NFL. But as an actor, you get that
every day that show comes on in the comments. So
what's more grueling for yourself?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
I don't miss you know, they always ask you that
what are you missing football? And I'm like, you don't
miss being out there like at this point in my life? No,
like no, you know me because it was you know,
it was the physical aspect. But for me, playing football was
actually more of a grind than his acting. You know,
I was always trying that I was making the team.
I was on actor roster, the practice squad. I didn't
know where I was gonna be at next you know,
but you know, you know, being emotionally unavailable to a
(21:36):
lot of outside relations because I just felt unstable in
the game at the time. And I feel like I
was giving so much to the game, but it wasn't
giving back to me, you know. So and if I
got an acting how to do that, and I don't know,
you know, they they say, maybe you two too many
hits in the here because you chose something it's very similar,
you know, because it's still it's unstable as well too.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
But the things I've learned in the game.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Of football, I was able to transfer over to actor,
as far as the discipline, and far as the work ethic,
and far as the knowing how to deal with rejection,
because we get so many no's without them even saying
no to our face and acting, you know. So it's
like you just wait for that one yes, and you
realize how many people said have to say yes and
nord for you to get this role, you know, And
then so I look at it now it's like, you know,
you're grateful for it, but it's it's yeah, it's both
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of them agouling their own aspects.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Man.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
So you know, I'm just the grind on. Stop is
just changes.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Isaac and Christian. In regard to dealing with fifty cent
what did y'all learn from little meat?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I never want to be on fifties bad side, that's all.
Speaker 12 (22:28):
I've just learned that. And I never I never want
to owe fifty money ever. In life, not from little Meets,
but just in general, just from no cause I know
he wants it by Monday, and I just you know,
and I just want to stay on this good side.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That's it.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
I don't know, you know, with him and little whole
little Meats thing. I have no clue. I'm not privy
to truly what's going on there. I just know my
loyalty runs deep. I know today I booked this role.
One of the first things I did, you would appreciate, Charloane,
because you know you you a little messy. First thing
I did was I went straight to John Rule's Instagram pressed, unfollowed.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Followed back right now. This is followed back because I've
already met y'all. I already met him and long before
I got on followed. I met him, and he followed me,
his manager and everything. And I said, the one thing
that will not happen, Curtis Jackson will not just be
sitting down one day and go on John Rule's page
and see followed by Christy Lofton.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
You will not. And I just unfollowed. I don't know,
God heavens know.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Everybody fifth got problems.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
You won't follow I'll follow Rick Ross everybody. I don't
follow any of them. I swear when we get off,
I'm gon show yourself follow.
Speaker 11 (23:39):
Here's the viral moment.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I answer what man, I've learned as you tell about football,
and that is walking my life, man like. I don't
get involved in the miss. I don't get involved anything, especially,
I got too many other problems my own to be
worried about something else and what's going on over there,
because you never know all the complete details. You never know,
So why passed judge? Knowing they try to, you know,
do whatever. I just mind my business.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Man cool answer, Joseph, I want to say, I saw
TMZ ran until you did. They asked you about the
meat situation fifty posted and it said you was too smart.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
You got about it very easy.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know if I got out there easy. I
think I chose my words pretty carefully.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
But it's because I think Meets is a nice young man.
And I think that what people forget is that Fifth
paid for his acting classes. I mean, he invested into Meets.
So there's there's a certain amount there that's that's you know,
there there was love, and I basically what I said
to teams, if there was love there can be love again,
you know. There there's a certain amount of redemption or
(24:39):
forgiveness within there. So it's also just like I try
to stay in my lane as well. You know, it's
not again, Like Isaac said, it's not really my business,
but I I want everybody to get along, but you can't. Man,
I'm gonna keep it moving exactly.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You really think though, that there could be love again.
It seems like fifty's kind of like done with that situation.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I mean, he then he's probably then he's probably done,
you know, But I always there's always hope.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
It's interesting with power too, because power is built on
loyalty is built on betrayal and ambition. So I want
to ask y'all in real life, what's more dangerous ambition
with no loyalty or loyalty with no ambition.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Wow, I'll go ambition with no loyalty the same.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
That's what I would go. That's dangerous. I'm still processing.
That's deep.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Look, I'll be overthinking that something fantastic.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
Loyal Lord, I probably to concur like ambition.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
I think ambition can be because some too much ambition
can always be in a relationship. Because therefore, now you
just going for what you want, you can becomes you
can become very selfish in aspect. When you become selfish,
you end up hurting a lot of people around you,
especially when they try to be loyal to you, you know,
and then you ambition that you moving different. You say,
we're moving weird, you know, you know, so trying to
figure that out. I think that's that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But I like when The Power Show, in all of
its incurrent nations, shows that that that without loyalty, without this,
with just blind the ambition, things fall apart.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
This kind of lifestyle is people you can't be happy
in a lot of ways. I always say Tommy's like a
vampire somebody she keeps living, but like he's living alone
and it could be a lonely life.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It's like it's not winning.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah, every day is like you're looking over your shoulder,
You're trying to figure it out. There was some scenes
I always looking always admired, you know, when I Tolse
does because you talked about how can you walk away
from it? But there's scenes where you know, I'm just
only my first season doing it, and I'm like, but
you feel all the treachery behind you, the people that's
trying to do all these things, like feeling like Gennar
are trying to kill Diamond. I personalized that a little bit,
(26:38):
like so even on the set, like I couldn't talk
to him for a little while after that, like knowing how,
you know, just knowing how he moved. He's sitting around
the corner, over the corner, smoking the square, laughing, being
Chris as big.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
I'm in a barbershop looking like this.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Like I still wasn't over with it for a time
because and I always admired about the you know, the
character Tommy's because he dealt with that for so many
seasons on Power over and over again. And then come
to this, I'm like, it takes some therapy. It takes
some you know, some some aspect later on to be
like okay, let me let that go.
Speaker 11 (27:04):
It takes practice because it is deep.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Feeling still in therapy and you're talking to the right
guys here more advocates for.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Me, it's a cane and able dynamic that y'all relationship
on the show.
Speaker 12 (27:15):
It definitely is, I think so, I definitely think it's
that that's a good analogy.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Can y'all talk about from from ghosts to force the
women that are involved with different characters throughout the series.
So shanty with you this season and then you're dating
Maria Miguel's sister, right there's and then you go in
and out of your situation.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
Yeah, look for and all their wrong places all y'all
be though.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
That's what I want to ask, like that that common
storyline is every chapter every season. But y'all never learned
people always end up dead? What is the reason for that?
Like why are we watching you?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Guys? Never learn why? Because mixed life.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I think that all the time, Like, oh, you know,
girls like the bad boy, but then I get hurt
and it's like what are you dating a bad boy for?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
But because I like him? So you know, a lot
of that I.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Think just is again responsible storytelling, because that's what humans
do a lot of times. I think that that's not
necessarily Tommy's intention to speaking with Maria, but in a
lot of ways, like he demands loyalty or death, and
so I mean you think about with Lakeisha and he's like, Yo,
you want to be with me, keish, you gotta be
(28:24):
all in and he pulls out the gun she's like,
I'm all in.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
He's like, Gonga slips back under the couch.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
So with Maria just that she said, I'm choosing this
lifestyle to be in even though I've done everything in
my life to not be part of this. Although I
know what the game is and I grew up around it.
I'm gonna put all that aside for you. I'm gonna
put everything aside for you. I think in a lot
of ways, the Timmy that we know is like, Okay,
I'm gonna put everything away for you, and he means it.
And that's that's one of the attractive qualities about the character,
(28:52):
is that this extreme loyalty that you're almost like, but
hold up, you just know this, you just met. But
some people are like that, like when we move in
with each other, people too early, when we when we
I'm all for you, and like sometimes when you're all
for somebody, it actually you know, pushes them away with
that same that magnetism, because magnetism works both ways, right,
it either goes like this or if you flip it behind,
(29:13):
it goes like this. So it's it's gonna be a
little push and pull with Tommy and Maria.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
And a lot of times with the women that y'all
are dating. There is no loyalty there, right, everybody wants
some good of situation. Do you think that you're able
to really be loyal in what you're doing a day
to day in your life if you can't be loyal
in your relationship from.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
When you got communication.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
If there's communications there and you say, hey, listen, like
Tommy said, listen, I can't tell you this.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm not this where you.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Everything is happening, all right, but you need plausible deniability.
I can't tell you everything because I care about you.
So as long as there's communication, I think that helps
a lot of stuff. But I want to hear what
you want to say about Jaunty.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
What I want to say about Shaunty had you spinning?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's the thing.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Like, I think there truly is love there. Because a
lot of people.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Always question does Shanti and jine I really love each
other or is she just using him or manipulating him?
I think she truly does love Jannar because she was
there for me when I was in the dark place.
You know, Jannar was going through shit, he was battling
an addiction, he was everything like that. She was there
for him. I couldn't tell my brother because I was
trying to hide it. I was embarrassed. I didn't want
nobody to know that this is how Jennard was. So
(30:15):
Shati came to Jannard in a very dark place. So
I think there is love there. But I do think
that Jannard sometimes makes her think that she's in control
and that's why he ends up going out and doing
whatever he wants to do. Anyway, but he sometimes he
just tell her what you want to hear so she
can shut up. And I don't think and I think
it mimics real life because some boyfriend's husbands sometimes girls
(30:36):
do that. Okay, bab, yeah you're right, knowing damn well,
I don't think that, but yeah, you're right, just so
you can keep the peace, happy wife, happy life, but
then you're gonna end up doing your own things.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
So I think that this season with Shanti and Gennard,
were just gonna.
Speaker 12 (30:48):
See how that relationship truly on foes and I think
they love and loyalty and all of that will detested.
Speaker 10 (30:55):
For me this season with you guys, one of the
biggest things I looked at it as in earlier episodes
was she so you as like almost like something that
she could like build up and use and dangle, like
you have a sort of power that you didn't know
and she saw it and she was using you for that,
and once she used you, it was going to.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Be like whatever.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
That's what you take from it.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
In the earlier episodes, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
You see that because it came across like that.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
And I feel like while I was doing it subconsciously
because we never know what's going on with the scripts.
Every episode we get the script, like we never know
who about to die or nothing, right, you know, So
I'm I'm looking I'm like, okay, But in my head,
in my head, I always try to subconsciously play Jannar
in Shanty's relationship a little to the point where it's
(31:40):
like Jannar could possibly kill her if he wanted to
or if he has to, like he loves her, but
I don't know what was that look.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I just feel like Jannark could kill anybody.
Speaker 12 (31:49):
That's what I tried to subconsciously implement that. Like, so
there would be moments in the script where it'll say,
like Jennar leans in and kisses Shanty passionately, and instead
of doing that I've just look at it and be like,
I fuck with you and do that instead of kissing her,
because I feel like that leaves room if I have
to kill her, it won't come as you know what
(32:09):
I'm saying, And in my head I played it like
that subconsciously, I'm not gonna kisser right here.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
I did one.
Speaker 12 (32:14):
I was like, you know, I'm fucking with the right girl.
I said that instead of the passionate kiss that was
supposed to happen. I just tried to keep that open
just in case because I didn't know where they were going.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Why you think would have made you look more grimy
if you kissed it and had a relationship and then
killed it.
Speaker 12 (32:27):
No, I just wanted to leave fans in my head
and like I said, it might not have even been working,
But in my head, I was like, there might be
people watching this that are looking like, ooh, he might
kill her, Like you know what I'm saying, Like in
my head it might not even been the case, but
I just kept that window open.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Jodaph is there an end of the Power Universe?
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Like?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Have there been talks like to the maybe to the
end of Tommy's character.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There's been talks Oh, but I feel like in terms
of the end of the Power Universe, I think that
most talks are about expansion. All right, where where can
we go next? You know, we're the only Power show
that takes place outside in New York, so that was
kind of a big thing for them at this point too.
But then with you know, with fifties other shows, with
fight Land coming out and in England, I feel like
(33:12):
they're going to probably be thinking about a little bit
of international expansion in some capacity through the Power Universe.
And then I'm sure that they'll they'll expand on stories
in New York like they are doing already in.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
The Origin story.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
But I bet there will be more spin offs that
take place around uh NYC.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Do you have an idea what what you would want
the ending?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I know exactly what I would want the ending for Tommy.
In fact, me and Gary Lennon are already starting to
make an outline for a for a movie, for a
feature that would be kind of the possibly the final
final chapter.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Hard Oh, he can't tell us.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You know about this. I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Every move I make that has any thing to do
with Power, and almost any move I make anything he
wants to though he could know. But any move I make,
I fifth is all I always have because it's responsible.
He he's he's old it because yeah, because I'm a
loyal you know, friend or colleague or whatever. But he's
also old it because he's owded it because he's an
executive producer and a creator.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So he's old it twice.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
But I also I always give the respect to Fifth
because there's a good guy. Like he's been a good
person of me, a great person of me. He's taught
me a lot, he sat down with me, he's been accessible,
Like I realize how much I owe fifty and I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, definitely check out the final season of Force. Make
sure you check it out. The first episode was last Friday.
And we appreciate you brothers for joining us.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Isaac Key's Christy Lofton. It's the Breakfast Club. Good wake
that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 11 (34:47):
The Breakfast Club
Every day, a weak up, the Breakfast Club finish for
y'all done.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Morning, everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the
guy we are the Breakfast Club. Laurla Roses here as well.
We got some special guests.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
In the building.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, indeed, you got Chris Lofton, we got Isaac Keys,
and we got Joseph Sicar.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Fantastic.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
You saw that the first episode that drafts us heavy
last week. Guess right, set it up for the rest.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Of the season. It's going to be fire season.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
How do y'all approach doing a final season? How does
that even make y'all feel? Is it bittersweet?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Like?
Speaker 7 (00:36):
Is how do you approach it?
Speaker 8 (00:37):
I think you like you just said a bittersweet, But
you know, I think once we know it's the final season,
I think it makes us to go a lot harder,
you know what I mean, like make sure we make
the scenes a little bit more intense. I think the
writing room did the same thing. Is just making sure
that every episode had a main factor to it. You know,
it's actors, you know, like we're gonna put our best
foot forward, and I think we did a great job
doing that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is it always that feeling like the last show will
be so amazing, but like, yeah, we just can't end
like that. We gotta do another one or another one.
Is that is that everal feeling all you're like now
as a rep?
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Well, I think that Gary and I just wanted to
make sure that we gave Chicago Chicago's do. A big
thing was is that I didn't produce the first season,
just the second and the third season. And a big
thing for me was getting Chicago better, you know, a
little bit more realistic. Like even the Power Show is
kind of like New York adjacent, but we wanted to
be Chicago adjacent, but it's like it's a real place.
(01:23):
We wanted to show the diversity within the diversity, Like
I think it was kind of like like a globular
South side of Chicago, a globular West side and that
I just mean that there was no specificity or details,
and we do a lot more detail oriented stuff in
the third season, and I think that the city is
really going to bless this show for this final season.
Speaker 9 (01:43):
What did you do to do? What was your research
like leaving this well.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, you know, I mean I moved I moved to
New York twenty six years ago. So it's like, you know,
I went back early, and I met with cops and
robbers and asked and learned more about the city, because
when I was there, there was really it was really
a city.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Of gang nations.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
You know, there was folks and people and and a
lot of things that were the rules, that were street
rules that were followed. And now with the emergence of
kind of like all these renegade gangs and gangs within
that used to be nations that kind of went against
each other, where would the pipeline be coming from? How
would Tommy Egan survive in this? Who would want to
just make the money and who would just want to
(02:19):
see him dead? And I think that we do a
lot of responsible storytelling in like there's a million people
going at each other in on the south side and
on the west side, and where the distribution comes from,
and some of the cartels that would really truly exist.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
That mimic the cartels in real life. That's what we did.
Speaker 10 (02:34):
Were there any things in your research trying to get
it so real where you were like, nah, we don't
want to touch this just because of what may actively
be happen or just because his history wise, you just
don't want to.
Speaker 9 (02:44):
You don't want to Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Well you know, yeah, I mean Chris and Ira bo
from Chicago, and there's definitely you know, I mean it's
not that I'm this age, this old. It's like in
my thirties and forties, even going back, I mean I
remember it'd be like, you know, you don't want people
from the past popping up and being like yo, man,
so how you why did you put it like that?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Or why did you do this like this?
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And so you do there is kind of you know,
it's it's adjacent, but it but it mimics the real life.
It's like people if you know, you know style and
I think there's a lot of wink Wick non nods
to to real life stuff going in there.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But yeah, I mean you want to be careful, you know.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Tommy says an interesting tags Joseph, like, you know, he's
always either chasing control or power or loyalty or revenge.
Like what what's driving him this season?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Man, that's a great question. A lot I think a
lot of it is revenge and kind of this this
uh this hunger for power and how that that the power?
You know they say power corrupts of complete power, corrupts completely.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Absolutely absolute power collapse. Absolutely. I know it's always just.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
A little smarter than me, but that's that's what it is.
And I think that again, it's it's like can you
have it all? And that's that's the question, because Tommy
is going for it all this time and is he
going to sacrifice loyalty with Diamond? Is he gonna is
he gonna do backhanded deals with Jennard who is a
backhanded deal master? But yeah, so it's a really exciting season.
(04:08):
Gary Lennon again, our showrunner in the whole writing room
did a fantastic job. I'm so proud of them, and
I think the fans are.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Going to be really happy.
Speaker 11 (04:14):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
I always feel like Diamond's trying to move righteous in
a dirty world.
Speaker 11 (04:18):
I agree, I'm doing a great job man.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Trying to portray I think you know it is like
you just said, like you can't it's not moral values
too much in the street now, that's the street codes.
You try to go buy those things, but those more
than values to get you killed. And he was trying
to play both sides for so long. And the thing
now is you started to see he's starting to like
he's choosing the side he's both feed in, you know.
Now he's actually kind of looking at at Tommy like
while you while you're in love, you know, looking at
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his brother Jennar, because he wants that brother relationship, I believe,
But at the same time that's gonna it could be
his downfall. I mean, it's all about relationships and alliances
right now, and how you choose and what side you're
gonna choose to go on. And I think Domina's in
the calling that little Quandra right now, you.
Speaker 10 (04:58):
Guys relationship, I was gonna say, Diamond and Tommy, Joseph Isaac,
you guys relationship in the new season kind of mimics
what the relationship was with Ghosts.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
And Tommy a bit in the reverse.
Speaker 11 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (05:10):
Yeah, And it's weird because it's like, now you're in
that power seat, no pun intendent, but now you're in
a driver's seat, right and you're able to like choose
what you say what you don't say, and you're kind
of like controlling him. Was that purposely done for the
fans who've been following all the shows to kind of
put that together?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yes, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But I also love how it mimics just like that
hurt people, hurt people and if you know, you kind
of follow the faults of your father or.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Whatever that expression.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Charla Mane will correct me, but there, you know, the
sins of the father. It's like there's there is there
is this kind of reverseness that's happening too, And we'll
see what happens to Tommy, because ultimately, what happened to
ghosts so you know, you gotta see what happened.
Speaker 12 (05:50):
Definitely, there was a moment in the first episode where
there was that when you came to talk to him
in the warehouse.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
I felt like you turned into ghost in that moment, and.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
But Tommy checked himself too.
Speaker 12 (06:00):
Yeah, but I felt like ghost would have did that
to you. It was almost like reverse psychology, like you
were just telling them what you know he needed hard.
Speaker 10 (06:07):
Yeah, I felt like I didn't even know you thought
that you were checking yourself in that moment.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
And it's hard to talk about, but.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was real.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I mean, I think Tommy is an honest character in
the way when he's like, yo, man, I should have
told you everything. I should have done that, but it's
timely going to do it again. That's the that's the thing. Yes,
it's like it was smart. It's like kind of magniplance.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
He knew how to he needed, knew how to dob
like minimize the situation at the time because that felt
diamonds coming out. And I think that was a different
level of seeing Tommy, you know, and Joseph play that.
So you know, yeah, I thought it was. It's a
great thing because it was even hard for me as
a character, like they like, no bring it. I'm like,
y'all want me to bring it, you knowing like that
no bringing And it's starting to it starts to build
with the character.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Chris, how do you see Jenaud did I see people
call him the smart villains and people call him a
monster as he just a man trying to out hustle
a system that's against against him.
Speaker 12 (06:51):
Man, I think Jannard is misunderstood because honestly, Isaac hate
when I go off into this tangent, but I honestly
feel like nobody's looking at it the right way. I
feel like, cause I'm actually from Chicago, I try to
implement a lot of what I know the people are
gonna be watching this saying like, nah, that ain't that
ain't how we were doing in Chicago. Y'all really gonna
let this white boy come up in here and do that?
So to me, I feel like I'm the voice of
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the fans. So to me, I look at Ginnard as
to me, the only one that got some sense for real,
Because why I'm supposed to not know anything about what
Tommy was doing those six years on power, I'm supposed
to not know that. To me, this is just a
white man in Chicago who may or may not be
the police. Nobody knows, Like, why are we all so
trusting in him?
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Like nobody?
Speaker 12 (07:32):
And then with my brother, I'm like, Okay, you were
in prison. I heard you like to cut hair in jail.
That's what you was in there doing, right, Bought you
a barbershop, Put you up. You're comfortable, You got something
to do. Stay out the way. You're on parole.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
You hot.
Speaker 12 (07:45):
You're not supposed to be touching the streets. You're gonna
mess up the whole organization. If you get caught, you're
gonna blow it all up. So I'll handle it, talk
to you, will deliberate, will be partners, brothers.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
You know that was my goal. My dream didn't work.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Out like that.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is that difficult to make it make sense? Because what
you just said is I have to make it me.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I had to make it make sense because you know,
we look at.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Him from we understand it. But this is a new series.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Yes, yeah, to me trying to make it make sense.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
I did create that backstory, I said with I've remember
I told Joseph Isaac and with Gary lenn and our showrunner.
I created a whole backstory in my head to make
some of this makes sense. Because obviously I would never
go against my brother trying to kill my brother.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
That's crazy.
Speaker 12 (08:22):
But I tried to make it make sense. To Jannar,
It's like, Okay, we talking about millions of dollars. This
organization CBR is supposed to be worth millions of dollars,
And if he's been in prison for fifteen years, that
means I kind of know more life without him than
with him. And now if we add millions of dollars
into the mix and some new person that nobody knows
who's white, how about I kill.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
Both of you?
Speaker 12 (08:43):
Right? How about I just killed both of you. You You
ain't even been here for fifteen years. Anyway I could
do without you. You know, so it's like I don't understand.
Like so that's how I had to convince myself. And
sometimes I get too invested in it and I'm like, yeah,
you know what, get to invest I get to invest
in sometimes and I'll be like, no, this is wrong.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Nobody gets you.
Speaker 9 (09:04):
That across on screen though.
Speaker 10 (09:05):
I feel like on screen you're like the little brother
that's like, no, I can do this, listen to me,
Listen to me.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
But then you be messing up and then you gotta
call it.
Speaker 11 (09:11):
Thank you me up.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
That's what a little brother.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Thing though, what it's people?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
I mean in New York, I told them.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
That I was gonna say.
Speaker 10 (09:24):
And speaking of the brother dynamic, you guys dynamic is
kind of like the same but a bit different in
this new season because you're kind of making your own
moves and you got your girl and she's you know,
helping you a bit more. You trusting them a little
bit more, but you're not. At the same time, what
do you guys want your relationship to say to people
in a regular world about brother relationships?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Big brother little brother relationships. People that don't sell drugs or.
Speaker 12 (09:47):
They do, right, I would personally, I would probably say
like forgiveness could probably be a thing, and love Trump's
all and blood is definitely thinking the water. I think
I would want people to like take that from it,
like blood is truly thinking the water.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
And your family.
Speaker 12 (10:00):
I feel like the only people closest to you can
hurt you, because if you don't care about somebody, they
can't hurt your feelings. They can't they can't betray you.
You know, it has to come from somebody you love.
So I feel like learning to forgive and learning that
family Trump's all is something that I would want people
to know.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
But blood is finite. Water is infinite, you know there's.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, I think water is going to make you survive
longer than blood. You drink that a little bit, you
know what I mean. The French soldiers with the Russian horses,
but the life giving the war.
Speaker 11 (10:35):
Man you take it to war. I think, you know,
it's it's real life.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
Like you know, we all have family members that we
necessarily don't get along, but we still kind of love them.
But we may have to keep it from afar, but
we should try to figure them out. I think it's
really deep about the relationships. I think the whole show
really dives into how the relationship and the toxicity of it,
you know, like you know, like you know, really all
just communicate if you just communicate with the person, if
his brother, if Dime just with the gave Gennard a hook,
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you know, another hug or sometimes he might have made
him feel a little better or just talked about it,
like how do you gonna kill your brother? Like it's
the deepness and the deafiness of what you're willing to
lose and sacrifice for what you want to kind of
mold you want and then how does that align in
your life? Like to him killing his brother, that wasn't
nothing for him some people that's something hard to do.
We still get on the streets all the time like
why why you don't kill you? Why you don't kill
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your brother? Why you don't you know, unlive your brother.
It's like can you do that? Would you be able
to do in the world? So that tussle, I think
is just amazing to be the show, the relationship to it.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
You sound like saying this man just feel motivational.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
For some reason.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Sometimes what does redemption look like for Diamond? Like now
that the streets, you know, keep pulling him back.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
I think Ultimately, what Diamond wants he wants that be
able to make this money, have power, but he doesn't
want all the violence and stuff to go along with it.
At some point, like if it was the best world,
the coalition, everybody working together, you know, everybody's making money.
Let's just do that and be cool, you know, And
I think that, yeah, and I think but it's like,
you know, when you see the character of detimed character
coming with Joseph play so well, it's like, na, we
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want more than that, we want more of that. So
he's still got to make his moves and make his moves,
you know, in align with how he wants to move,
so that somehow kind of creates that friction between everyone
in a sense because there's so many players in this.
You know, we still have the little Latin of the
cartel side and how the control that they have. So
now we're trying to you know, I think diamonds redemptious.
He really just wanted to He wants to be there,
but but you know, it ain't gonna work the way
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he wants it to work, and that's how it works.
Speaker 10 (12:32):
You do you think the world will ever look at
the game organization as like anything for anything righteous they've
ever done. I know with BMF fifty also try to
talk about the family union and stuff like that. And
it's very prevalent that you're that character in this show.
But people don't see that. They only say why would
you guys be in a show that showcases all these things.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
I'm sure you get that question on the time. Do
you think the world will ever say?
Speaker 10 (12:53):
But wait, there was a righteous component to this, There
was a family aspect, yes.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
And I think even outside the show, we make sure
we do a lot of stuff in the community. I
make sure we talking speaking engagements and talking to make
sure we know this is entertainment. It's telling the story,
you know, a story of some made up characters, of
some made up characters that you know, how they how
they move in the streets, and how their life and
how they find the family dynamics happen. And I think
that also by showing that in Chicago, with all the
things that's going on with the city of Chicago, we're
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able to show the entertainment part of it, but we're
also able to talk touch on some of the things
of the diversity of the city and how the city
is made up. In the history and the architecture, and
and just kind of giving some more light on the
city in that way as well too. But I think
it's very important for people to know even as we talk,
is to make sure that we know that this is
a story. It's a TV series, it's not real life.
It's the Power Universe. We know that's not you know,
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real life. It's so many things that happened that must
think pulls up anywhere and no parking tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I will say that that these stories are might not
be based on somebody's real life, but they are lives
that's happening out there.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Every time.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Me and my brother.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That's how it was, you mean. And that's why I
think stories mean so much, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And a lot of times, like she said, a lot
of people feel like, oh, well, they're idolizing or they're
making it seem like this, But for a lot of times,
that's what we grew up seeing, right, We grew up
seeing the local drug dealers, and you always wanted to
know what I always wanted to know, like how did
they do their business?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
How did it work?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So I think this kind of gives you an inside
falls or not false but primarily true.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Of how would work and how it got down. So
when you tape so.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Things, so Tommy would have been in jail a long
time ago. Man, he drives the same getaway.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Car all right, and it's loud, hard to drive, toot,
it'd be pretty easy to peg Tommy.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
He's not switching up rides all that much.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Although in the original Power Show they did, you know,
some of that some of that stick that.
Speaker 12 (14:43):
I think that when you made that drive of Chicago,
you switched cars in the original.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Right, No, it's like they bucked me out of the car.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Let's not talk about season one.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I was gonna ask, you know, when you talk about
street credit and talking about what's real, how how important
is street code when you're doing these shows.
Speaker 12 (15:01):
I honestly do think it's important. Honestly, we got to
keep it true to what it is. But also there
are some things that we don't want to touch on
because it's too real.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Like that's why they don't mention like real gangs.
Speaker 12 (15:12):
We make up gang names because we don't want to
seem like we're promoting actual gang violence in the city
or making other gangs because our dms are crazy. I
can't speak for everybody, but mine is insane. Like my
dms get crazy when the show on the death threats
and a lot of people, oh dog, I get crazy DM.
So it's like we try to be careful with that
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outen you.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Slipping little vernacular improves that every now and again when
I see in the cut.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Because I'm really from Chicago, so I'll try to slip in.
Speaker 11 (15:45):
Again.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I'll try to slip it in and there.
Speaker 12 (15:46):
Because I know the city is going to be like bro,
I know, I know like that the city of Chicago
is behind it. I feel like New York and Chicago
are two cities that they don't. We don't really particularly
like when actors portray being from there if they're not
really from there, Like we don't want you to come
from LA and try to be on a New York
TV show saying you a hood dude from New York.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I don't know, man, London Brown crushes it as I'm
gomor what he knows.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
An exceptional case. London Brown shout out to London. That's
my dog.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
But like, I don't feel like New York and Chicago likes.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That that LAY don't like it at all. LA is
another one, yeah, and they don't like it at all.
And I alway also wanted to know when y'all shoot
so many different films, how do y'all stay in character?
Speaker 11 (16:26):
TV shows?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
TV shows?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, how do y'all say in character in all the shows?
Because you have different characters in different shows.
Speaker 12 (16:32):
I mean, for me, is the simple version for me
is action and cut, Like I'm not with you. Yeah,
I've never been that guy for real that really like
takes it home with me.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I just me neither.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Yeah, I just know how to disassociated a lot more from.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I just find that there's a lot more fun when
you get to it is. But also it's like coming
you know, coming from the theater. Do you know, It's
like if you're not going to bring that character home,
you're playing the guy for six months, you know what
I mean, You're just you just bring it to the theater.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
That's what you warm them up. That's why you get,
you know, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Imagine Joe who pulled up to pick up his kid
from school. He pulled up in the car.
Speaker 10 (17:05):
Yeah, when I see you, it's so hard to not
see Tommy, all of you guys. It's hard to not
envision y'all in the show. I'm like then, I was
just watching you last night.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
Like me, I think Jo does.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
A fantastic job acting because he's nothing like Tommy in
real life.
Speaker 9 (17:23):
Too, but the voice is there.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
He's selling copious amounts of drugs.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
But I'll be wondering, with all the spin offs, what
makes four stand out to you creatively and just all
of the different shows when you got to show up
this Tommy, do these shows even feel different?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I mean they don't when I show up as Tommy.
Tommy is Tommy is Tommy. And I feel like on
the original it was fun doing the guests that's on
the Ghost Show just to be that, and I love
Michael so much, so it was always fun to come
back and do something with him. But I think that, yeah,
Tommy is kind of his own entity and one of
the fun things about taking the character home. I always
kept Tommy as close as I needed those first seasons
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to make sure that, you know, everything was right and consistent,
and that was my job. But like now, it is
fun in some capacity this, you know, ten eleven, twelve
years on from the original to be just be like
let the light.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Switch go, just to see what happens, because I'm not even.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Positive what I'm going to do in those situations because
I have the luxury of like this character who's.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Got its own life, so you just flip it on.
Sometimes this happens. Sometimes it happened, I'm like, oh, that's
kind of funny or bizarre or whatever. So that that
has been a wonderful part of this journey.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I always want to go also too, when you took
the audition to play Joseph play time, I should say,
did you think it would be this far?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
And did did you want to do it?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Was like the original audition.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I wanted to do it so bad because well, because
you know, I played around in the streets growing up,
and I you know, I was a very unsuccessful actor
for many years, and even in Chicago the lot of
the areas where you because I was a graffiti writer
that many people know. So you know what I mean,
You're dipping into these different kind of life and stuff
like that based Tommy a lot on guys that I
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was scared of growing up and you know, making your
way through. So I think I felt like I just
just like, they're going to hire.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Some pretty guy and they're going to get it all wrong.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
And but so I passed on the initial audition for it,
just because I was getting married, and so I was
just like, I can't make the audition. But then it
came back around because you guys know that Fifth was
originally going to play the ghost character, and then when
he wasn't going to anymore than they had re auditions
for everything.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And I like the script.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I thought this would be great, and I was a
fan of Fifth anyway. And then when I actually got it,
you know, I was the only one that auditioned from
New York, and so it was five auditions and finally
in La we did the chemistry reads and blah blah blah,
and when I booked it, I was really I was
super excited, and I said, the fifth is amazing.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know, I hope it goes more than a season
or whatever. He goes, this can go seven, And he
was almost right. I mean six and a half is
pretty texting me.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
I mean, actually more if you think about it, if
you yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
All the spin offs now it's been, it's been whatever.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You know, so what series means more to you, the
original Power or the four spinner.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
It's hard to say.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I just like working with Gary Lennon as a writer, like,
that's what it means. I mean, I think that just
Gary bringing in the authenticity of his brothers being you know,
Westy's from a hell's kitchen and Gary's brings in so
much of the life of it. And even though Tommy's
from South Side Jamaica, I think, just like the whole
the authenticity of New York that Gary brings to the
character has really been a dance of two people. So
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whatever Gary's writing means most of me.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
But I like, I love these guys.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
These are brothers and brothers for life, and I'm so
happy that I have you know, got to have friends
like this on the Force show, so that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Means a lot.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But it was also a meant a lot for me
to produce the show. And finally, because it's hard, man,
people don't want to give you even when you've earned
your seat at the table. You guys know that nobody
wants to let you have that seat, and everybody's still
vying for it. And even when I'm doing it, especially
the second season, you had people like picking at you,
trying to put you down, like playing weird games. Behind
the scenes, You're just like, stop this nonsense. What is
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happening here? But I think that I'm really proud of
the third season. I think the fans are going to
like it the best out of any of the season
at the four.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Shit, Now, what's more grueling NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Or being an actor?
Speaker 11 (21:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Because on Monday you're gonna get what you did wrong
in the NFL. But as an actor, you get that
every day that show comes on in the comments. So
what's more grueling for yourself?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
You know?
Speaker 8 (21:15):
I don't miss you know, they always ask you that
what are you missing football? And I'm like, you don't
miss being out there like at this point in my life? No,
like no, you know me because it was you know,
it was the physical aspect. But for me, playing football was
actually more of a grind than his acting. You know,
I was always trying that I was making the team.
I was on actor roster, the practice squad. I didn't
know where I was gonna be at next you know,
but you know, you know, being emotionally unavailable to a
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lot of outside relations because I just felt unstable in
the game at the time. And I feel like I
was giving so much to the game, but it wasn't
giving back to me, you know. So and if I
got an acting how to do that, and I don't know,
you know, they they say, maybe you two too many
hits in the here because you chose something it's very similar,
you know, because it's still it's unstable as well too.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
But the things I've learned in the game.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Of football, I was able to transfer over to actor,
as far as the discipline, and far as the work ethic,
and far as the knowing how to deal with rejection,
because we get so many no's without them even saying
no to our face and acting, you know. So it's
like you just wait for that one yes, and you
realize how many people said have to say yes and
nord for you to get this role, you know, And
then so I look at it now it's like, you know,
you're grateful for it, but it's it's yeah, it's both
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of them agouling their own aspects.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Man.
Speaker 11 (22:16):
So you know, I'm just the grind on. Stop is
just changes.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Isaac and Christian. In regard to dealing with fifty cent
what did y'all learn from little meat?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
I never want to be on fifties bad side, that's all.
Speaker 12 (22:28):
I've just learned that. And I never I never want
to owe fifty money ever. In life, not from little Meets,
but just in general, just from no cause I know
he wants it by Monday, and I just you know,
and I just want to stay on this good side.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That's it.
Speaker 12 (22:41):
I don't know, you know, with him and little whole
little Meats thing. I have no clue. I'm not privy
to truly what's going on there. I just know my
loyalty runs deep. I know today I booked this role.
One of the first things I did, you would appreciate, Charloane,
because you know you you a little messy. First thing
I did was I went straight to John Rule's Instagram pressed, unfollowed.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Followed back right now. This is followed back because I've
already met y'all. I already met him and long before
I got on followed. I met him, and he followed me,
his manager and everything. And I said, the one thing
that will not happen, Curtis Jackson will not just be
sitting down one day and go on John Rule's page
and see followed by Christy Lofton.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
You will not. And I just unfollowed. I don't know,
God heavens know.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Everybody fifth got problems.
Speaker 12 (23:30):
You won't follow I'll follow Rick Ross everybody. I don't
follow any of them. I swear when we get off,
I'm gon show yourself follow.
Speaker 11 (23:39):
Here's the viral moment.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
I answer what man, I've learned as you tell about football,
and that is walking my life, man like. I don't
get involved in the miss. I don't get involved anything, especially,
I got too many other problems my own to be
worried about something else and what's going on over there,
because you never know all the complete details. You never know,
So why passed judge? Knowing they try to, you know,
do whatever. I just mind my business.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Man cool answer, Joseph, I want to say, I saw
TMZ ran until you did. They asked you about the
meat situation fifty posted and it said you was too smart.
Speaker 9 (24:13):
You got about it very easy.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know if I got out there easy. I
think I chose my words pretty carefully.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
But it's because I think Meets is a nice young man.
And I think that what people forget is that Fifth
paid for his acting classes. I mean, he invested into Meets.
So there's there's a certain amount there that's that's you know,
there there was love, and I basically what I said
to teams, if there was love there can be love again,
you know. There there's a certain amount of redemption or
(24:39):
forgiveness within there. So it's also just like I try
to stay in my lane as well. You know, it's
not again, Like Isaac said, it's not really my business,
but I I want everybody to get along, but you can't. Man,
I'm gonna keep it moving exactly.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You really think though, that there could be love again.
It seems like fifty's kind of like done with that situation.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I mean, he then he's probably then he's probably done,
you know, But I always there's always hope.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
It's interesting with power too, because power is built on
loyalty is built on betrayal and ambition. So I want
to ask y'all in real life, what's more dangerous ambition
with no loyalty or loyalty with no ambition.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Wow, I'll go ambition with no loyalty the same.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
That's what I would go. That's dangerous. I'm still processing.
That's deep.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Look, I'll be overthinking that something fantastic.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
Loyal Lord, I probably to concur like ambition.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
I think ambition can be because some too much ambition
can always be in a relationship. Because therefore, now you
just going for what you want, you can becomes you
can become very selfish in aspect. When you become selfish,
you end up hurting a lot of people around you,
especially when they try to be loyal to you, you know,
and then you ambition that you moving different. You say,
we're moving weird, you know, you know, so trying to
figure that out. I think that's that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
But I like when The Power Show, in all of
its incurrent nations, shows that that that without loyalty, without this,
with just blind the ambition, things fall apart.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
This kind of lifestyle is people you can't be happy
in a lot of ways. I always say Tommy's like a
vampire somebody she keeps living, but like he's living alone
and it could be a lonely life.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
It's like it's not winning.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah, every day is like you're looking over your shoulder,
You're trying to figure it out. There was some scenes
I always looking always admired, you know, when I Tolse
does because you talked about how can you walk away
from it? But there's scenes where you know, I'm just
only my first season doing it, and I'm like, but
you feel all the treachery behind you, the people that's
trying to do all these things, like feeling like Gennar
are trying to kill Diamond. I personalized that a little bit,
(26:38):
like so even on the set, like I couldn't talk
to him for a little while after that, like knowing how,
you know, just knowing how he moved. He's sitting around
the corner, over the corner, smoking the square, laughing, being
Chris as big.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
I'm in a barbershop looking like this.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Like I still wasn't over with it for a time
because and I always admired about the you know, the
character Tommy's because he dealt with that for so many
seasons on Power over and over again. And then come
to this, I'm like, it takes some therapy. It takes
some you know, some some aspect later on to be
like okay, let me let that go.
Speaker 11 (27:04):
It takes practice because it is deep.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Feeling still in therapy and you're talking to the right
guys here more advocates for.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Me, it's a cane and able dynamic that y'all relationship
on the show.
Speaker 12 (27:15):
It definitely is, I think so, I definitely think it's
that that's a good analogy.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Can y'all talk about from from ghosts to force the
women that are involved with different characters throughout the series.
So shanty with you this season and then you're dating
Maria Miguel's sister, right there's and then you go in
and out of your situation.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
Yeah, look for and all their wrong places all y'all
be though.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
That's what I want to ask, like that that common
storyline is every chapter every season. But y'all never learned
people always end up dead? What is the reason for that?
Like why are we watching you?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Guys? Never learn why? Because mixed life.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
I think that all the time, Like, oh, you know,
girls like the bad boy, but then I get hurt
and it's like what are you dating a bad boy for?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
But because I like him? So you know, a lot
of that I.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Think just is again responsible storytelling, because that's what humans
do a lot of times. I think that that's not
necessarily Tommy's intention to speaking with Maria, but in a
lot of ways, like he demands loyalty or death, and
so I mean you think about with Lakeisha and he's like, Yo,
you want to be with me, keish, you gotta be
(28:24):
all in and he pulls out the gun she's like,
I'm all in.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
He's like, Gonga slips back under the couch.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
So with Maria just that she said, I'm choosing this
lifestyle to be in even though I've done everything in
my life to not be part of this. Although I
know what the game is and I grew up around it.
I'm gonna put all that aside for you. I'm gonna
put everything aside for you. I think in a lot
of ways, the Timmy that we know is like, Okay,
I'm gonna put everything away for you, and he means it.
And that's that's one of the attractive qualities about the character,
(28:52):
is that this extreme loyalty that you're almost like, but
hold up, you just know this, you just met. But
some people are like that, like when we move in
with each other, people too early, when we when we
I'm all for you, and like sometimes when you're all
for somebody, it actually you know, pushes them away with
that same that magnetism, because magnetism works both ways, right,
it either goes like this or if you flip it behind,
(29:13):
it goes like this. So it's it's gonna be a
little push and pull with Tommy and Maria.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
And a lot of times with the women that y'all
are dating. There is no loyalty there, right, everybody wants
some good of situation. Do you think that you're able
to really be loyal in what you're doing a day
to day in your life if you can't be loyal
in your relationship from.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
When you got communication.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
If there's communications there and you say, hey, listen, like
Tommy said, listen, I can't tell you this.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I'm not this where you.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Everything is happening, all right, but you need plausible deniability.
I can't tell you everything because I care about you.
So as long as there's communication, I think that helps
a lot of stuff. But I want to hear what
you want to say about Jaunty.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
What I want to say about Shaunty had you spinning?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That's the thing.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Like, I think there truly is love there. Because a
lot of people.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
Always question does Shanti and jine I really love each
other or is she just using him or manipulating him?
I think she truly does love Jannar because she was
there for me when I was in the dark place.
You know, Jannar was going through shit, he was battling
an addiction, he was everything like that. She was there
for him. I couldn't tell my brother because I was
trying to hide it. I was embarrassed. I didn't want
nobody to know that this is how Jennard was. So
(30:15):
Shati came to Jannard in a very dark place. So
I think there is love there. But I do think
that Jannard sometimes makes her think that she's in control
and that's why he ends up going out and doing
whatever he wants to do. Anyway, but he sometimes he
just tell her what you want to hear so she
can shut up. And I don't think and I think
it mimics real life because some boyfriend's husbands sometimes girls
(30:36):
do that. Okay, bab, yeah you're right, knowing damn well,
I don't think that, but yeah, you're right, just so
you can keep the peace, happy wife, happy life, but
then you're gonna end up doing your own things.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
So I think that this season with Shanti and Gennard,
were just gonna.
Speaker 12 (30:48):
See how that relationship truly on foes and I think
they love and loyalty and all of that will detested.
Speaker 10 (30:55):
For me this season with you guys, one of the
biggest things I looked at it as in earlier episodes
was she so you as like almost like something that
she could like build up and use and dangle, like
you have a sort of power that you didn't know
and she saw it and she was using you for that,
and once she used you, it was going to.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Be like whatever.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
That's what you take from it.
Speaker 9 (31:14):
In the earlier episodes, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:17):
You see that because it came across like that.
Speaker 12 (31:18):
And I feel like while I was doing it subconsciously
because we never know what's going on with the scripts.
Every episode we get the script, like we never know
who about to die or nothing, right, you know, So
I'm I'm looking I'm like, okay, But in my head,
in my head, I always try to subconsciously play Jannar
in Shanty's relationship a little to the point where it's
(31:40):
like Jannar could possibly kill her if he wanted to
or if he has to, like he loves her, but
I don't know what was that look.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I just feel like Jannark could kill anybody.
Speaker 12 (31:49):
That's what I tried to subconsciously implement that. Like, so
there would be moments in the script where it'll say,
like Jennar leans in and kisses Shanty passionately, and instead
of doing that I've just look at it and be like,
I fuck with you and do that instead of kissing her,
because I feel like that leaves room if I have
to kill her, it won't come as you know what
(32:09):
I'm saying, And in my head I played it like
that subconsciously, I'm not gonna kisser right here.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
I did one.
Speaker 12 (32:14):
I was like, you know, I'm fucking with the right girl.
I said that instead of the passionate kiss that was
supposed to happen. I just tried to keep that open
just in case because I didn't know where they were going.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Why you think would have made you look more grimy
if you kissed it and had a relationship and then
killed it.
Speaker 12 (32:27):
No, I just wanted to leave fans in my head
and like I said, it might not have even been working,
But in my head, I was like, there might be
people watching this that are looking like, ooh, he might
kill her, Like you know what I'm saying, Like in
my head it might not even been the case, but
I just kept that window open.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Jodaph is there an end of the Power Universe?
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Like?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Have there been talks like to the maybe to the
end of Tommy's character.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There's been talks Oh, but I feel like in terms
of the end of the Power Universe, I think that
most talks are about expansion. All right, where where can
we go next? You know, we're the only Power show
that takes place outside in New York, so that was
kind of a big thing for them at this point too.
But then with you know, with fifties other shows, with
fight Land coming out and in England, I feel like
(33:12):
they're going to probably be thinking about a little bit
of international expansion in some capacity through the Power Universe.
And then I'm sure that they'll they'll expand on stories
in New York like they are doing already in.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
The Origin story.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
But I bet there will be more spin offs that
take place around uh NYC.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Do you have an idea what what you would want
the ending?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I know exactly what I would want the ending for Tommy.
In fact, me and Gary Lennon are already starting to
make an outline for a for a movie, for a
feature that would be kind of the possibly the final
final chapter.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Hard Oh, he can't tell us.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
You know about this. I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
Every move I make that has any thing to do
with Power, and almost any move I make anything he
wants to though he could know. But any move I make,
I fifth is all I always have because it's responsible.
He he's he's old it because yeah, because I'm a
loyal you know, friend or colleague or whatever. But he's
also old it because he's owded it because he's an
executive producer and a creator.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So he's old it twice.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
But I also I always give the respect to Fifth
because there's a good guy. Like he's been a good
person of me, a great person of me. He's taught
me a lot, he sat down with me, he's been accessible,
Like I realize how much I owe fifty and I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, definitely check out the final season of Force. Make
sure you check it out. The first episode was last Friday.
And we appreciate you brothers for joining us.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Isaac Key's Christy Lofton. It's the Breakfast Club. Good wake
that ass up in the morning.
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