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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stej Envy, Jess Hilarious,
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I feel good. I think the last time we did this,
we might have been on a Zoom call. So it's
cool to be in person.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah it was zoom. How's your spirit? How's your energy?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm super good. I'm like, probably the best I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Amazing, and why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I think just life is really cool. I think I
made something I'm stoked about. My fans are stoked. I
got to do all these cool signings and see all
of them in person and just like be back in
the swing of things.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So I'm good, I said. They say you're a gym wrap.
They said you up at six o'clock this morning in
the gym. They say every morning.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
They might have lied about this morning. I was dead
sleep this morning. But yeah, I'm up. I'm always about
my fitness stuff. I'm super healthy and the healthiest I've
also ever been.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So yeah, I've been watching videos of you all weekend
in New York and like you know a lot of
people have been coming to your signings and you pop
up the crazy make you feel getting that type of love.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's been cool. I mean, I've been doing this for
so long, and I've been doing signings for so long,
and at some point, like my brain tricked me into
being like, you know, they're probably gonna lessen over the years,
because it's like, you know, we've seen her a bunch,
she dropped a bunch of projects. I'm on project seven
or six or project six? Is it seven? Seven?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I was right, see so much music. I forgot that,
you know, I didn't expect it to be getting bigger.
So they're actually the craziest signings I've ever had so far,
because it's growing, and that's you know, that's all you
can pray for.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I will say, you know, listening to your new album
and just seeing you over the last few months several
months talking like there's a confidence in a sense of
self that you have now that you didn't have years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, for sure, Why is that? I mean, I think
it's been a long mental health journey. I think it's
been a lot of contributing factors, new motherhood, different angles
of like publicly being publicly aligned with certain things are
publicly misaligned. They're just like not stepping into myself. I'm
twenty nine, I'll be thirty next year. Like I'm just
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I'm growing up in a real way, so like I
know how to prioritize and take care of myself differently.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Now, So why did you name the album Crash?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So essentially, a crash is the height and the peak
of a moment. It isn't like the anxiety that comes before,
and it isn't like the overthinking that comes after. It's
just this like, excuse me, cluster fuck. It's just this
this thing that happens. And I knew this album wasn't
gonna make sense to most people. I knew that it
would be something that you either loved or that you hated,
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and that kind of just is a crash, And that's
kind of been The reception is some people hate this,
some people love this, and people think it's my worst,
and some people think it's my best. And I think
that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, it's a crash. It's really a cool.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
With that what you wanted to do?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
You know, I didn't start wanting to do that It
started as myself titled and I went on this mission
to like make finally make the Kailani album because I
haven't done that yet. And we started in like going
to all these different cities and we got all these
airbnbs in different places, and it just kind of grew
into this thing that resembled I feel like me as
a person. I feel like I've always been kind of
this thing that doesn't make sense to everyone. They can't
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figure out, like who I am, what I am, what
my story is, how it's been, all of these things
like can't figure me out and whatever kind of way
how I look versus how what kind of music I make,
how I sound? And once it started taking its own life,
I was like, oh, okay, it's just me as an album.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So what is the self titled Kilania album supposed to
be like? Because you said it was supposed to be
a Kilani album, what was that supposed to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, that album, to me, is more rooted in the
core things that shaped why I sing. I feel like
the Kilani album will be much more referencing like my
actual core musical references. It'll probably be a lot more
R and B. But this album really reflected all the
things that I listened to, like that I grew up
listening to but didn't necessarily shape my identity as an artist,
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but reflect like you know, worldly where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Basically we're still getting Kaylaning album.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Absolutely, that'll probably be my next album. Probably.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Lose My Wife as such a toxic record. It
is so toxic Klin, like, why would you make those
choices and decisions knowing that it could cost you your wife?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You know, it's not a true story. I just wanted
to do so in my head, Crash is the story
of this anti hero version of myself that goes to
Vegas and has this crazy run in Vegas and ends
with that lament of like damn. I've like, oh this
is crashed instantly, and it's almost like the come down
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song of like oh, these are the decisions that I've
made and like this is what happens. So it's more
of like a sonic story and an ending to the
story than a true story that I needed to smack
on there. It kind of feels like the Hungover song
kind of feels like the next day you're like, oh shit,
this is your shadow side exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, when you were in the studio writing these songs.
You were like, I'm gonna let my shadow side.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I was like, you know, there is there's been so
many toxic Kilani's songs. There really has. There really has,
and I feel like it's they are moments that people
don't people maybe want to say in their head and
been like I've had that perspective, or I've gone through that,
or I've wanted to say that, and like I would
never say it out loud and to me. After I
wrote that verse, I was like, this is kind of
like stingy and it is kind of harsh. But some
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people feel like that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But when I hear songs like after Hours or like
Better than Not or Tears, it does feel like you're
longing for a stable relationship, does it a little bit?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah. I mean I think everybody wants love. Everybody wants
stable love, and we all just have different journeys to it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, how has motherhood been?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh it's the best journey.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's the best.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
She's five. I can't believe it. Yeah, and that's all.
I got a third thing. I'm literally like, I'll make
the day seem so fun. I'm like, we're going to
the aquarium and we're going here, We're going here, and
then she's like, no, I just want to stay in
the house and play. I'm like, jeez, what are we
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gonna do. The other dad took her to the park
and she was like, I'm just letting you guys know
I'm not playing with any of those kids. And I
was like, I respect it, but maybe we should try.
Died and she made some friends. And she's in school,
so like she is friends, she.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Still got musical interest. I heard you say one time
she had some.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
She's on the album she's on Deep. She actually sounds
so good that you can't really tell that it's her,
except for her tone is obviously sounds a lot younger
than mine. But she's singing her asshole.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Do you want her in the industry.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I want her to do whatever she wants to do.
If that means industry, sure, If that means she wants
my help, sure, If that means she doesn't want my help, sure.
If that means she wants to be a brain surgeon
or a rocket scientist, let's do that. It's her world.
I'm just here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Is the industry good for kids? I mean, you're somebody
who came in the industry young.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think that compared like, there's two different There's there's
pros and cons on both sides. One, I didn't have
access to the proper like mental wellness type of regiment
or care to have grown up in it the way
that I did. And we're seeing the effects of people
who you know, adults now and all these stories are
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coming out about them being like child stars are coming
out young. And on the flip side, I feel like
people now have access to that. But there's it's also
a different demon fame now is completely different. It's why
I don't really post my daughter. I don't there's too
many creeps I don't ever hear to ever look back
and be like, I actually didn't consent to any of this.
I didn't give any permission. We already get embarrassed when
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our parents play home videos for our friends when they
come over, Like if I'm just subjecting my child to
her home video, her freaking growing up home videos being
widely known all over the internet, and she grows up
one day and it's like, I didn't get to tell
you if I wanted that or not. You know, that's
not me as a parent.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So yeah, any more babies.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I would love to have more babies. Whatever God wants
to bless me with I receive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Can we talk about the record? What I want?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I want a bitch that look better than me, pussy get.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You reading it so serious?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What I want?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Excited? On that record, it seems like you're torn between
wanting to be spoiled but also feeling comfortable being the
one who spoils.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm definitely like I fluctuate. Absolutely. I think I'm
more of a giver than a receiver of like spoiling.
I think that's just my nature. But it's just a
classic song about naming all the things that I want.
I don't think any of them are even cohesive. I
think they're just like, here's a list of all the
all my dream things that I want.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
If you having a while weekend in Vegas, why would
you lie to a woman like that? Why would you
make her.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Feel isn't that what you do in Vegas? Doesn't Vegas
make you me?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not like that? But I'm saying doesn't. It's Vegas, not
like some adult Disneyland, like all your vices and you
don't talk about it. Actually, actually, I have a tiny
residency in Vegas. Thank you, I have a show. Thank you.
I have a show at the end of next month
and in August. That's what I do in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, because even on the song Vegas, maybe I'm tripp
but it didn't sound like you was actually in Vegas.
You just said what we do.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Is like Vegas exactly. The only I made a couple
of songs. Actually I made part of what I Want
in Vegas. I made part of SUSI on Vegas. I
mean actually I made most of SUSI on Vegas and
a part of Groove Theory in Vegas. But the song
Vegas I made in Los Angeles, Okay, and then.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
On my goal to Vegas the fall in love like
they go to create, have fun, you know, to the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Person who said, I'm lying going on, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
The record Sushi a sushi, doesn't that mean isn't.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
That's fantasy sushia sushi.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And that's dirty yeah, dirty girl.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, there we go biling is that with the record? Yeah?
Basically I mean Young Miko's versus crazy if it's translated.
And Jill Scott is Auntie Max extreme. She is the
freak lord. Honestly, the original freak, so I had to
tap her in. Yeah, yeah, she that was an honor.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I noticed that you don't have a lot of features. Yeah,
it was that intentional.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, I tried to get more features. There was a
couple of things that were going on, different time things
and not necessarily being aligned at the time, different people
not aligning with me, and just things not making sense.
But the ones that did stick around for me and
really you know, held me down. I'm super appreciative and
they killed it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Now after I was were you surprised of how fast
I took off, especially on social media?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Crazy?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, it was like a huge dance.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I honestly have to give a lot of credit to
Darius Hickman, who's an incredible dancer, and he was in
the After Hours video and he left rehearsal for one
of the for the After Hours video, I went home
and just like made this little dance on TikTok and
it just like it took it on one. I think
it's such a testament to how powerful like dance is
and how like dancers are like DJ's like they could
really break songs like it's I give him all the
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credit for that because it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Did you know who loom d was beforehand?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Of course you disrespect her like that, asking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like, of course the one song, so you know, maybe people, does.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
She have one?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Course? I think she had one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Now. You also mentioned that this album isn't rooted in
your personal experiences are relationships like your previous albums? Are
you saying that just so you don't get in trouble
and people be like, damn, Caline's so toxic?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
No, I think I think anytime a running I want
you to so bad, so bad. You know what's so
funny is I think people would be surprised if they
sat down with me to to actually ask and inquire
about my experiences, because they might look one way, but
it's so many different scenarios that lead to while my
love life looks the way it does, and so many
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that you would be surprised. Who what's happened with this?
And what's happened with this? And it's just it's my
business and it's my world, and I'm pretty much in
good standing with anybody ever, So like running through these
chicks is extreme? You do really want me to be
a pimp? You know? Maybe maybe I'll just start embodying it,
maybe maybe just accept it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Does that bother you people in your in your in
your regular business, not just your music business all the time.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No, I think it came. It comes with the territory.
I think I got. I hated it so bad, But
I also I have been again, your mental health journey
and your journey in being a public facing person, those
have to be in lockstep like those if you are
ever having poor mental health. There's so many times I
could say I've been at a table with y'all and
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been in the worst states of my life and I
was like, Okay, that interview is going to be whatever.
And times I've been like, I'm actually not doing interviews
this year because all of this shit. And absolutely, but
I've also was not in a positive space to even
be able to walk in a room and like hold that. Granted,
I think the interview at the time that caused things
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like that wasn't my favorite experience with someone. No, but
I also, at multiple times in my career just have
not been just aligned with where I needed to be
to be able to show up in that way. So
now I can hold that you could probably say anything
to me and I'd be like all right, cool.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I've record labels gotten to the point where they actually
respect artists mental health, meaning like if you wake up
a morning and you say, look, I'm not doing no
interview today, I'm not doing no interviews for the next
six months, but they like, no, you have to, like,
they'll push you to do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, I've been signed to the same label since I
was nineteen years old and I'm twenty nine, and they
have seen me through everything, so I think they're at
the point with me where they're like, we get it,
and we also know what you are going to show
up and show out for, and that's you know, your fans.
Like I never I never play about my fans. I
never played for showing, you know, showing up for them.
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And we've always been super transparent, developed a really good
relationship with people in media to where like I've been
able to call people personally and been like, it's not you,
I promise, like I'm not doing well, or I've been
on a run and going and going and going for
six days and I just need to come in a
little later, I need to reschedule this, and people have
been super gracious with me.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I'm a huge mental health advocate. So what got
you to that place where you are now? You know?
And I mean, and I know it's a journey. I
know it's up, so I know it's down. But what
got you to this?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah? Honestly, I'm going to use this moment to be
really transparent and to really advocate for people, you know,
getting psychiatric care. And I got a psychiatrist and I
got a proper diagnosis after what felt like years of
getting soft diagnosis and misdiagnosis, and I'm able to get
medicated help and it keeps my mood stable and I'm
here and it keeps me like I would absolutely recommend
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it to anybody that feels like they need it, because
it's not something that anybody needs to shame or like
be nervous about. And it's probably the best thing I've
ever done for myself for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What got you there? Because most people, like you said,
they feel like they can't talk about it, they can't
discuss it, they can't get to help because they don't
want to be shamed. Especially in celebrity. You feel like
somebody will see me do this that and the other.
What got you to the point was like, f this,
I need to get help.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You know, I was medicated when I was a kid,
and I remember not having the most proper experience with it,
just because I was really young, and like you're in
school and like every kid has ADHD and like it's hyperactive,
and I had to be in like the third grade
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on riddling and it really messed with my personality. And
my mom was like, yeah, no, like you can't be
a zombie. Like I'll take hyperactive, turn the you know
over like whatever this zombie, you know. And then on
top of that, still I just remained with the psychiatrist.
And then you know, I went into a teenagehood and
I didn't have that anymore. And then I became an
adult and just like my experiences in the music industry
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and the amount of like honestly PTSD that that causes,
paired with you know, all your childhood trauma and like
all these things, you kind of get to a point
where you're like, all right, I'm not an expert. Like
I can't keep being the one to dictate this or
to supplement or like to to try to fix it,
ice to smoke a lot of weed. Can't do it,
won't do it. I haven't been a smoker in five years.
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People bring me weat all the time and I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Like, dang, that's about Indigo kind of calms your anxiety.
So Teva makes you have panic.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You know. It was because I got pregnant and I
couldn't and then I got I went to a throat
doctor and he was like, oh, you don't want to
sing for the rest of your life the way your
shit looks cause I was smoking backwards. I was smoking
blunts like I was what you can find pictures of
me with like backwoods like packs spread out like like
like a money spread psychotic and just nasty, just nasty.
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And it just I couldn't do it anymore. And I'm
just I got to a point where I was like, Okay,
I'm doing all the things that I can possibly do.
I'm going to the gym, I'm developing good hobbies. I'm
not going out and I'm not doing this and I'm
still struggling. It's to the point where I need to call,
you know, I need to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Did it affect your art when you're on whatever medication?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, No it doesn't. It honestly is the first time,
maybe ever in my life that I feel like I
have been. I have I'm clear.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yes, oh congratulates like I thought you when we first started.
You can really see it's a different level of confidence,
it's a different level sense of security.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I would say, yeah, absolutely, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now we're doing this album. You know, usually people see
Kalani as an R and B artist, but this album
is popped. Its country is house music, is reggae music.
Were you nervous at all and be like my fan fans,
my core won't get it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I actually felt the opposite. I felt like my core fans,
my actual core fans, would get it because there's been
hints of all these things. When my mixhape was nominated
for a Grammy, it wasn't nominated for R and B.
It was nominated for like Contemporary, you know, R and B.
So there's been hints of things my whole life, and
I felt like they would really understand. I felt like
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everybody else who really loved one really R and B
project of mine, or like R and B SoundCloud drops
or features would be like, what is this and so
far for the most part, that's kind of what I've seen.
Plus this little subgroup of people who are going like, Wow,
I didn't even know she had this in her. This
is what's gonna make me fuck with her. So it's honestly,
it's been cool. I'm kind of really liking the polarity
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of the response at this point. If I make the
same album again, I'm not an artist If I make
the same project after seven projects. This is my chance
to pivot, and I took it, and I'm just I'm
stoked to be here. Is exactly exactly. Some people are like,
this is the best thing I've ever heard you do,
and some people are like this is chicken scratch and
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it sounds like noise and I hate it, Like, oh,
I don't listen to anyone. I made the album I
wanted to make, and I'm happy with it.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
It's a bunch of different genres and it's so different.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It was so fun to make. I had it was
the funnest process. It was so many people involved that
were all feel the exact same way about it. It
felt like our album, not just mine. We got to
celebrate it, like I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I keep hearing you talk about your fitness journey. Yeah,
but then they said recently you were body shamed on.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know it was an interesting body shame because what
it was was the accusations that I got ab etching.
But yeah, it's it's really interesting. The thing is I
have diascesis right that and a hernia from being pregnant,
so my muscles are split down the middle, so I
have I have this space right here and this I
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have like a lump because it's my intestine, it's a
hernia and it kind of looks like an extra ab
randomly above my belly button. Everybody was like, that's the proof,
like and then they were like, yes, proof because she's
not super muscly anywhere else but just her core and
won if you go back like genetically I have my
dad is super buff, like I'm damn here bill like
my father, and then I've always kind of had right
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you can really see it, and I and I've always
had abs. And then upon like just really training my
core to like make up for the fact that my
muscles aren't connected and I have to get my core
together to be able to do any things. That's the
center of everything. I have to go a little hard
on that. And I honestly thought it was hilarious. And
then people just being like, is that a man, and
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I was like, do you want me to be?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Jesus?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Would you like me to be?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
But what I love is like you didn't get mad
and like go get online and start going crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Ba it doesn't do anything. I used to do that
a lot, and then you just realize, like there's crazy
shit every day, like people talk about some new shit
the next day. I remember when the internet used to
destroy me, like it you what I remember the other day,
maybe last week, somebody might have tweeted like, oh, like,
y'all don't call Kailine dirty and she has tattoos and
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someone said, oh, you must be new here, and everybody
was like yeah, because twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen, that
was it. Everybody was calling me ugly, dirty, all everything.
And I used to be what I was fucked up
about it like consistently, and then I just got to
a point where I was like, well, life kind of
goes on and like I know myself and like there
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are people that know me and love me deeply care
about me, and like you wash right, Hello, Yes, if
you guys would like to come to my house for
a week and don't check in my shower twice a
day and the levels of aftercare, Like that's on you, guys,
but you know, you know you can't prove those things
to people. People who already want to be like that
are going to be like that.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Regard anyway, Are you still on social media?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You got off because of that?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
No, I had got off for a second. I actually
didn't have Twitter for two years. I just got back
on because it's just what I get back on good
mental Oh it's a terrible place. It's a terrible place.
But the people that I need to speak to, my fans.
I once I learned how to really put blinders on,
and not theoretical blinders, but like actual blinders, to be
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consistently like this is what matters, and these are the
people that love me. It's been the best thing in
the world. Sometimes I have my moments. Someone yesterday says
some shit to me, like I think Calin is confused
about her sexuality, and I was like, I've been exclusively
dating women for three years and like the music's really gay,
but sure, And then somebody, how am I confused? I
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think I'm the least confused I've ever been. But I
left the tweet up for ten seconds and deleted it.
You have you know, you have your moments.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, how did your record label and I guess just
the industry period react to your advocacy for Palestine.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You know, I think we're in a kind of a
loop for so long of like what's safe to speak
about and what's not safe to speak about, especially with
the powers that be being so powerful and that running
so deep. Obviously, my music came out, and obviously I'm
super supportive, so absolutely no problem from my record label.
I have experienced a lot of pushback. I've experienced a
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lot of loss. I've experienced a lot of things that
were promised and set up for this rollout and album
to happen, that were supposed to be a lot of
first really yeah, magazines and these things, and those brand
deals and opportunities that were sad to lose by at
the end of the day, like, I don't I don't
regret doing something that I can go to sleep at night.
I can go to sleep knowing that, like what I
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learned to be as an artist, I'm aligned with because
I grew up fully understanding, you know, the role of
art in liberation, and that's not to place myself in
alignment with you know, those artists and those revolutionary acts.
But that's to say, like I understood what it meant
to not be silent, even if I never, you know,
put it with the song in the video, even if
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just me speaking out, I always knew what it meant
to have a platform and that responsibility in that way,
and like I can go to sleep knowing that, like
I don't, I can look myself in the mirror, you know,
and know that I did, I did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do these magazines and stuff. Tell your people why they
say you always hear advocacy of palist.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Those are really big buildings with a lot of people involved,
so it always makes its way back.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, now you speak. You also mentioned that your advocacy
for Palestine caused a lot of artists to ignore your collaboration.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So I was talking very fast on a live very
caffeinated early in the morning, and I wasn't able to
like really elaborate on that. There are a lot of
more people involved on artist teams and just the artists.
And it also wasn't every feature. There were certain people
who didn't get it back in time or it wasn't
aligned with like the timing of their album. I didn't
mean every single artist, But there were artists that I
did reach to when someone on the team was like,
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we don't fuck with her, or they said this, and
then another thing made its way to me, or like
another like things we know, we know, things travel, we know,
people have conversations, and those people have conversations, and people
were respectful enough to not, you know, text me back
and say, girl, fuck you, I'm Zionists. You know, things
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like that. But I wasn't able to really elaborate that
when I and I would never I would never sit
here and name names, because it's not about that. It's
more about how insidious these the industries are and that
we can be so afraid to lose what we've built
because so many of us have come from nothing to
where we have this scarcity mindset of like I have
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to protect what I have going on so hard that
I will do anything to stay in that world to
protect it because I have to keep feeding my family,
I have to keep you know, building my legacy. I
have to do that. I don't want to chance that.
And it's sad because that thing that does get dangled
in front of our faces when it comes to really
important political matters that people don't align with It's sad,
it's unfortunate, and I don't I'm not mad at anyone.
I'm not holding anything against anyone. I was definitely on
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that live like yeah, and by the way, let me
tell y'all about that. But I definitely have those moments
where I'm like, this shit is fucked up. But typically
I'm a I'm a longer thinker and I have more
to the thought. And it was just unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So you understand when artists don't want to speak god
about political or social issue.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
How do you feel about it? Right particular background.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I am the type of person that is very nuanced,
like I understand how people got to most things. It's unfortunate.
I feel like it's unfortunate. I am saddened by it
does make me sad because I really do believe in
our power as people with influence. This is why the
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presidents involve music artists. What they've got. They've got all
type of music artists campaigning for for the president save God,
they bring it. They bring us out to sing out
all the campaigns, all the events, whenever there's anything going
on that they want us to all get together and
drop a song for it like they keep showing us
how powerful we are. There's people there's a younger generation
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who don't know what a policy is, but they would.
They know their rappers' favorite songs, they know their R
and B singer's favorite songs, and they will learn about
anything going on in the world if their favorite person
tells them. And I may have expressed it super like
angrily every single time I've talked about it online, but
that's because I understand that also sometimes shame works as
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a teacher. So if I got to come on there
and say fuck all of y'all, because wake your ass up.
If you want to sit and have a longer conversation
with me, we can get to this point. But it
has made me viscerally angry so many times to feel like,
look what we could do. And they also wouldn't be
able to hold us back anymore. If we all bended together,
they can't cancel all of us. They could cancel me,
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and they'd be like, Okay, we got somebody out of here.
That's cool. They get canceled a couple people speak up,
but if everybody spoke up, that power imbalance wouldn't exist anymore.
We're just the people United, that's the quote, so we
have to like stand on that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And you raised over a half a million dollars for
Gaza Sudan and the do you think money is the
only way people can help?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Absolutely not. I think in every single issue, the idea
is that you're supposed to listen to the requests of
the people at the core of the issue. You're supposed
to abide by the requests of the most suppressed. And
they have asked us to literally speak like that's the
thing about this whole, Like social media doesn't do anything.
Speaking doesn't do anything. Awareness doesn't do anything. But those
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there are people in Congo who are just saying make
our stories heard. There are people in Sudan who go
just speak about us. They're not talking about us on
the news, they're not talking about us in these magazines,
they're not talking about us anywhere. But you guys are
Gaza opened the door for people to even be aware
of Congo and Sudan on a global scale, because those
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issues have have preceded this genocide. Those genocides have been
have been happening, those famines that extremely like displacement, those
have already been existing, and Gaza has opened up the
world to to Haiti, to Yemen, to all of these
places that all this is going on. So the least
we can do is share things here and there. And
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you don't have to have money, but if you do,
you should put it where your mouth is. For sure.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I was gonna ask what Kamala Harris, being from from
your side of town, did y'all ever have a conversation
did you ever reach out to herb for everything that's
going on at all?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm not really a big on presidents or they're they're folks.
Not a governmental girl, Really.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They're not really. I mean there's powering government, but the
real powers with.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
The people people.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, you are a West Coast girl, and girl,
what do you think about was gone? I who was
going for what?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I haven't publicly rooted for anyone? But have you not
seen me at the club?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You could hear me through the soundproof star. I very
much respect both artists. Drake actually named my album it
was good until it was and he's shown me a
lot of love over time, like publicly privately, so has
Kendrick like he did. You were having a conversation and
I told him what I wanted to name it. And
then he was like, no, what's going on in life?
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And I told him and he was like, and I
was like, yeah, I was. Honestly it was good until
it wasn't. He was like, if you don't use it
as your album title, I am, And I was like, okay, right,
you're right. It is a very Drake album title. I
think it it came down to if I'm on some
West Coast shit, I'm from the West, Like, I know,
I know how important this unity is of all of us,
and I know how imperative this representation of us is.
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Like I love Kendrick. That's the only artist I've ever
stood in the line and like waiting to get something
signed for when I was in high school, Like it's
soundtrack to my life. So I have no like personal
entrances in anything. I'm just as a fan of the music.
We just musically just music. I mean, we have to
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respect what we what we saw, we saw bay people.
Ever since though, oh my god, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Listen when you sing that like us, because it's so catchy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I have had moments where I was like in the
club and I've seen that it's a club thing, and
I was like, damn, this is crazy. But I also
remember every single big disc track in history being able
to be played for massive groups of people gathering and
it being a thing that everybody is like I was
too young for like the Ether era, but like everybody
talks about it and they're like this was.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Crazy, Like this is in the club every night though
wasn't in the club.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean Back to Back was in the club.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
The club.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, so it's eras it's moments. Honestly, I'm not in
hip hop, so I can't speak to the sport of it,
but like it's a sport. I guess you have a.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Text drink like, yo, man, you did your think let
me be ashamed about it? Was all good. No.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I feel like he has real people around him will
hold them down, and I feel like it's taken that
moment to be like, hey, by the way, let me
make sure you know I support you. Yeah, he's got
his folks.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You mentioned a tour.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Absolutely, I made this album to tours specifically, Like there
was so many sounds where I was like, this is
gonna be so fun to saying, it's gonna be so
fun to dance to, It's gonna be so fun to
play with a band, so absolutely well. I think for me,
touring is the epicenter of my like my career, to
the point where sometimes you don't even see you can't
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even really tell what's going on with the music streaming
and charting wise, people are like what And then you
come to the tour and it's these huge venues and
people are like, I actually had no idea because when
I look at how it's doing over there, and it's
just a classic example for me of like impact versus
you know, numbers, and my shows are huge. My shows
are a blast. Everybody has a great time, everybody feels safe,
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everybody has fun. Like that. That is what's important to me.
So we're gonna do it again, for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That's what's up, because by then I would have had
my baby and I can get high.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You miss it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Very much, Okay, Oh yeah, I'm not like you. I'm
going to smoke, okay, but not backwards though.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm starting
to get off the backwoods movement with all the friends
take care of yourself like medicines. I like CBD a lot.
I like mushrooms and a lot of mushrooms. Making this album.
You might could tell there's some trips on here.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, that one that you played me, oh my God?
Which one was when oh my God? It sounds like a.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Oh my God, like if very next to you. I
don't know, but he had.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Played it, and I was like, damn, if I sure,
I probably be like after I was going crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
No, not, I was.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I can dance to that one, but this one just
seemed like I have no idea, I forgot, but he
was playing it, playing the whole album earlier, but it
was one particular song.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I was like, oh yeah, I'm can't wait to get
out of that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I was probably all mushrooms when I made it for you.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Are you are you aware of like the journey in
life that you're going through, and if so, what era
would you define?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
This era? So comparatively to where I was at with
my last album, I feel like my last album, I
had reached the ending of what was like toxic positivity
and like toxic spirituality, like almost psychossy, being like really
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in my like and not accepting that. Also what comes
with that is like they're really getting into your shadow
and really getting into also like every single part of
myself and and now I'm in this. I feel like
this era is just really standing in it. I feel
like I'm down to be whatever everybody thinks I am.
For the first time in my life. I'm not over
here trying to prove anything different. I'm not over here
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like I don't care to clear up anything. I don't
care to address anything. I have nothing to say about
any of that. If you think I suck, let's do it.
If you think I'm a terrible person, let's do it. If
you think I'm the best person in the world. Thank you.
I appreciate you, and I think that that truly speaks
to what you were saying about how different I feel
is that I'm settled in a way where I'm so
at peace with who I know I am and my
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court foundation that it's not going to be rocked by
anything else going on. Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
The album Crash is out now. What you want to hear,
don't say after hours. We played that already, So what
you besides that?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Play Deep? Deep, that's a fun one.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Deep, all right, Let's get into Deep right now. Make
sure you pick up the album if you haven't got
it already, and congratulations on everything.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The fact that you're just happy. You just look happy
that you are in a place of peace.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm super happy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, it's killine, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's the Breakfast Club in the morning. Wake that ass
up in the morning. The Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stej Envy, Jess Hilarious,
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
How are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I feel good. I think the last time we did this,
we might have been on a Zoom call. So it's
cool to be in person.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah it was zoom. How's your spirit? How's your energy?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm super good. I'm like, probably the best I've ever been.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Amazing, and why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I think just life is really cool. I think I
made something I'm stoked about. My fans are stoked. I
got to do all these cool signings and see all
of them in person and just like be back in
the swing of things.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So I'm good, I said. They say you're a gym wrap.
They said you up at six o'clock this morning in
the gym. They say every morning.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
They might have lied about this morning. I was dead
sleep this morning. But yeah, I'm up. I'm always about
my fitness stuff. I'm super healthy and the healthiest I've
also ever been.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So yeah, I've been watching videos of you all weekend
in New York and like you know a lot of
people have been coming to your signings and you pop
up the crazy make you feel getting that type of love.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's been cool. I mean, I've been doing this for
so long, and I've been doing signings for so long,
and at some point, like my brain tricked me into
being like, you know, they're probably gonna lessen over the years,
because it's like, you know, we've seen her a bunch,
she dropped a bunch of projects. I'm on project seven
or six or project six? Is it seven? Seven?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I was right, see so much music. I forgot that,
you know, I didn't expect it to be getting bigger.
So they're actually the craziest signings I've ever had so far,
because it's growing, and that's you know, that's all you
can pray for.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I will say, you know, listening to your new album
and just seeing you over the last few months several
months talking like there's a confidence in a sense of
self that you have now that you didn't have years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, for sure, Why is that? I mean, I think
it's been a long mental health journey. I think it's
been a lot of contributing factors, new motherhood, different angles
of like publicly being publicly aligned with certain things are
publicly misaligned. They're just like not stepping into myself. I'm
twenty nine, I'll be thirty next year. Like I'm just
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I'm growing up in a real way, so like I
know how to prioritize and take care of myself differently.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Now, So why did you name the album Crash?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So essentially, a crash is the height and the peak
of a moment. It isn't like the anxiety that comes before,
and it isn't like the overthinking that comes after. It's
just this like, excuse me, cluster fuck. It's just this
this thing that happens. And I knew this album wasn't
gonna make sense to most people. I knew that it
would be something that you either loved or that you hated,
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and that kind of just is a crash, And that's
kind of been The reception is some people hate this,
some people love this, and people think it's my worst,
and some people think it's my best. And I think
that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, it's a crash. It's really a cool.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
With that what you wanted to do?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
You know, I didn't start wanting to do that It
started as myself titled and I went on this mission
to like make finally make the Kailani album because I
haven't done that yet. And we started in like going
to all these different cities and we got all these
airbnbs in different places, and it just kind of grew
into this thing that resembled I feel like me as
a person. I feel like I've always been kind of
this thing that doesn't make sense to everyone. They can't
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figure out, like who I am, what I am, what
my story is, how it's been, all of these things
like can't figure me out and whatever kind of way
how I look versus how what kind of music I make,
how I sound? And once it started taking its own life,
I was like, oh, okay, it's just me as an album.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So what is the self titled Kilania album supposed to
be like? Because you said it was supposed to be
a Kilani album, what was that supposed to.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, that album, to me, is more rooted in the
core things that shaped why I sing. I feel like
the Kilani album will be much more referencing like my
actual core musical references. It'll probably be a lot more
R and B. But this album really reflected all the
things that I listened to, like that I grew up
listening to but didn't necessarily shape my identity as an artist,
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but reflect like you know, worldly where I'm at.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Basically we're still getting Kaylaning album.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Absolutely, that'll probably be my next album. Probably.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Lose My Wife as such a toxic record. It
is so toxic Klin, like, why would you make those
choices and decisions knowing that it could cost you your wife?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
You know, it's not a true story. I just wanted
to do so in my head, Crash is the story
of this anti hero version of myself that goes to
Vegas and has this crazy run in Vegas and ends
with that lament of like damn. I've like, oh this
is crashed instantly, and it's almost like the come down
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song of like oh, these are the decisions that I've
made and like this is what happens. So it's more
of like a sonic story and an ending to the
story than a true story that I needed to smack
on there. It kind of feels like the Hungover song
kind of feels like the next day you're like, oh shit,
this is your shadow side exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, when you were in the studio writing these songs.
You were like, I'm gonna let my shadow side.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I was like, you know, there is there's been so
many toxic Kilani's songs. There really has. There really has,
and I feel like it's they are moments that people
don't people maybe want to say in their head and
been like I've had that perspective, or I've gone through that,
or I've wanted to say that, and like I would
never say it out loud and to me. After I
wrote that verse, I was like, this is kind of
like stingy and it is kind of harsh. But some
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people feel like that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But when I hear songs like after Hours or like
Better than Not or Tears, it does feel like you're
longing for a stable relationship, does it a little bit?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah. I mean I think everybody wants love. Everybody wants
stable love, and we all just have different journeys to it.
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, how has motherhood been?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Oh it's the best journey.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's the best.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
She's five. I can't believe it. Yeah, and that's all.
I got a third thing. I'm literally like, I'll make
the day seem so fun. I'm like, we're going to
the aquarium and we're going here, We're going here, and
then she's like, no, I just want to stay in
the house and play. I'm like, jeez, what are we
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gonna do. The other dad took her to the park
and she was like, I'm just letting you guys know
I'm not playing with any of those kids. And I
was like, I respect it, but maybe we should try.
Died and she made some friends. And she's in school,
so like she is friends, she.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Still got musical interest. I heard you say one time
she had some.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
She's on the album she's on Deep. She actually sounds
so good that you can't really tell that it's her,
except for her tone is obviously sounds a lot younger
than mine. But she's singing her asshole.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Do you want her in the industry.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I want her to do whatever she wants to do.
If that means industry, sure, If that means she wants
my help, sure, If that means she doesn't want my help, sure.
If that means she wants to be a brain surgeon
or a rocket scientist, let's do that. It's her world.
I'm just here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Is the industry good for kids? I mean, you're somebody
who came in the industry young.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I think that compared like, there's two different There's there's
pros and cons on both sides. One, I didn't have
access to the proper like mental wellness type of regiment
or care to have grown up in it the way
that I did. And we're seeing the effects of people
who you know, adults now and all these stories are
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coming out about them being like child stars are coming
out young. And on the flip side, I feel like
people now have access to that. But there's it's also
a different demon fame now is completely different. It's why
I don't really post my daughter. I don't there's too
many creeps I don't ever hear to ever look back
and be like, I actually didn't consent to any of this.
I didn't give any permission. We already get embarrassed when
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our parents play home videos for our friends when they
come over, Like if I'm just subjecting my child to
her home video, her freaking growing up home videos being
widely known all over the internet, and she grows up
one day and it's like, I didn't get to tell
you if I wanted that or not. You know, that's
not me as a parent.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So yeah, any more babies.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I would love to have more babies. Whatever God wants
to bless me with I receive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Can we talk about the record? What I want?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I want a bitch that look better than me, pussy get.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You reading it so serious?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What I want?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Excited? On that record, it seems like you're torn between
wanting to be spoiled but also feeling comfortable being the
one who spoils.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm definitely like I fluctuate. Absolutely. I think I'm
more of a giver than a receiver of like spoiling.
I think that's just my nature. But it's just a
classic song about naming all the things that I want.
I don't think any of them are even cohesive. I
think they're just like, here's a list of all the
all my dream things that I want.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
If you having a while weekend in Vegas, why would
you lie to a woman like that? Why would you
make her.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Feel isn't that what you do in Vegas? Doesn't Vegas
make you me?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not like that? But I'm saying doesn't. It's Vegas, not
like some adult Disneyland, like all your vices and you
don't talk about it. Actually, actually, I have a tiny
residency in Vegas. Thank you, I have a show. Thank you.
I have a show at the end of next month
and in August. That's what I do in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, because even on the song Vegas, maybe I'm tripp
but it didn't sound like you was actually in Vegas.
You just said what we do.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Is like Vegas exactly. The only I made a couple
of songs. Actually I made part of what I Want
in Vegas. I made part of SUSI on Vegas. I
mean actually I made most of SUSI on Vegas and
a part of Groove Theory in Vegas. But the song
Vegas I made in Los Angeles, Okay, and then.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
On my goal to Vegas the fall in love like
they go to create, have fun, you know, to the.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Person who said, I'm lying going on, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
The record Sushi a sushi, doesn't that mean isn't.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
That's fantasy sushia sushi.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And that's dirty yeah, dirty girl.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, there we go biling is that with the record? Yeah?
Basically I mean Young Miko's versus crazy if it's translated.
And Jill Scott is Auntie Max extreme. She is the
freak lord. Honestly, the original freak, so I had to
tap her in. Yeah, yeah, she that was an honor.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I noticed that you don't have a lot of features. Yeah,
it was that intentional.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, I tried to get more features. There was a
couple of things that were going on, different time things
and not necessarily being aligned at the time, different people
not aligning with me, and just things not making sense.
But the ones that did stick around for me and
really you know, held me down. I'm super appreciative and
they killed it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Now after I was were you surprised of how fast
I took off, especially on social media?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Crazy?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, it was like a huge dance.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I honestly have to give a lot of credit to
Darius Hickman, who's an incredible dancer, and he was in
the After Hours video and he left rehearsal for one
of the for the After Hours video, I went home
and just like made this little dance on TikTok and
it just like it took it on one. I think
it's such a testament to how powerful like dance is
and how like dancers are like DJ's like they could
really break songs like it's I give him all the
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credit for that because it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Did you know who loom d was beforehand?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Of course you disrespect her like that, asking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Like, of course the one song, so you know, maybe people, does.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
She have one?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Course? I think she had one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Now. You also mentioned that this album isn't rooted in
your personal experiences are relationships like your previous albums? Are
you saying that just so you don't get in trouble
and people be like, damn, Caline's so toxic?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
No, I think I think anytime a running I want
you to so bad, so bad. You know what's so
funny is I think people would be surprised if they
sat down with me to to actually ask and inquire
about my experiences, because they might look one way, but
it's so many different scenarios that lead to while my
love life looks the way it does, and so many
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that you would be surprised. Who what's happened with this?
And what's happened with this? And it's just it's my
business and it's my world, and I'm pretty much in
good standing with anybody ever, So like running through these
chicks is extreme? You do really want me to be
a pimp? You know? Maybe maybe I'll just start embodying it,
maybe maybe just accept it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Does that bother you people in your in your in
your regular business, not just your music business all the time.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No, I think it came. It comes with the territory.
I think I got. I hated it so bad, But
I also I have been again, your mental health journey
and your journey in being a public facing person, those
have to be in lockstep like those if you are
ever having poor mental health. There's so many times I
could say I've been at a table with y'all and
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been in the worst states of my life and I
was like, Okay, that interview is going to be whatever.
And times I've been like, I'm actually not doing interviews
this year because all of this shit. And absolutely, but
I've also was not in a positive space to even
be able to walk in a room and like hold that. Granted,
I think the interview at the time that caused things
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like that wasn't my favorite experience with someone. No, but
I also, at multiple times in my career just have
not been just aligned with where I needed to be
to be able to show up in that way. So
now I can hold that you could probably say anything
to me and I'd be like all right, cool.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I've record labels gotten to the point where they actually
respect artists mental health, meaning like if you wake up
a morning and you say, look, I'm not doing no
interview today, I'm not doing no interviews for the next
six months, but they like, no, you have to, like,
they'll push you to do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, I've been signed to the same label since I
was nineteen years old and I'm twenty nine, and they
have seen me through everything, so I think they're at
the point with me where they're like, we get it,
and we also know what you are going to show
up and show out for, and that's you know, your fans.
Like I never I never play about my fans. I
never played for showing, you know, showing up for them.
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And we've always been super transparent, developed a really good
relationship with people in media to where like I've been
able to call people personally and been like, it's not you,
I promise, like I'm not doing well, or I've been
on a run and going and going and going for
six days and I just need to come in a
little later, I need to reschedule this, and people have
been super gracious with me.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So I'm a huge mental health advocate. So what got
you to that place where you are now? You know?
And I mean, and I know it's a journey. I
know it's up, so I know it's down. But what
got you to this?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah? Honestly, I'm going to use this moment to be
really transparent and to really advocate for people, you know,
getting psychiatric care. And I got a psychiatrist and I
got a proper diagnosis after what felt like years of
getting soft diagnosis and misdiagnosis, and I'm able to get
medicated help and it keeps my mood stable and I'm
here and it keeps me like I would absolutely recommend
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it to anybody that feels like they need it, because
it's not something that anybody needs to shame or like
be nervous about. And it's probably the best thing I've
ever done for myself for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What got you there? Because most people, like you said,
they feel like they can't talk about it, they can't
discuss it, they can't get to help because they don't
want to be shamed. Especially in celebrity. You feel like
somebody will see me do this that and the other.
What got you to the point was like, f this,
I need to get help.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
You know, I was medicated when I was a kid,
and I remember not having the most proper experience with it,
just because I was really young, and like you're in
school and like every kid has ADHD and like it's hyperactive,
and I had to be in like the third grade
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on riddling and it really messed with my personality. And
my mom was like, yeah, no, like you can't be
a zombie. Like I'll take hyperactive, turn the you know
over like whatever this zombie, you know. And then on
top of that, still I just remained with the psychiatrist.
And then you know, I went into a teenagehood and
I didn't have that anymore. And then I became an
adult and just like my experiences in the music industry
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and the amount of like honestly PTSD that that causes,
paired with you know, all your childhood trauma and like
all these things, you kind of get to a point
where you're like, all right, I'm not an expert. Like
I can't keep being the one to dictate this or
to supplement or like to to try to fix it,
ice to smoke a lot of weed. Can't do it,
won't do it. I haven't been a smoker in five years.
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People bring me weat all the time and I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Like, dang, that's about Indigo kind of calms your anxiety.
So Teva makes you have panic.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You know. It was because I got pregnant and I
couldn't and then I got I went to a throat
doctor and he was like, oh, you don't want to
sing for the rest of your life the way your
shit looks cause I was smoking backwards. I was smoking
blunts like I was what you can find pictures of
me with like backwoods like packs spread out like like
like a money spread psychotic and just nasty, just nasty.
(16:35):
And it just I couldn't do it anymore. And I'm
just I got to a point where I was like, Okay,
I'm doing all the things that I can possibly do.
I'm going to the gym, I'm developing good hobbies. I'm
not going out and I'm not doing this and I'm
still struggling. It's to the point where I need to call,
you know, I need to ask for help.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Did it affect your art when you're on whatever medication?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, No it doesn't. It honestly is the first time,
maybe ever in my life that I feel like I
have been. I have I'm clear.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yes, oh congratulates like I thought you when we first started.
You can really see it's a different level of confidence,
it's a different level sense of security.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I would say, yeah, absolutely, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now we're doing this album. You know, usually people see
Kalani as an R and B artist, but this album
is popped. Its country is house music, is reggae music.
Were you nervous at all and be like my fan fans,
my core won't get it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I actually felt the opposite. I felt like my core fans,
my actual core fans, would get it because there's been
hints of all these things. When my mixhape was nominated
for a Grammy, it wasn't nominated for R and B.
It was nominated for like Contemporary, you know, R and B.
So there's been hints of things my whole life, and
I felt like they would really understand. I felt like
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everybody else who really loved one really R and B
project of mine, or like R and B SoundCloud drops
or features would be like, what is this and so
far for the most part, that's kind of what I've seen.
Plus this little subgroup of people who are going like, Wow,
I didn't even know she had this in her. This
is what's gonna make me fuck with her. So it's honestly,
it's been cool. I'm kind of really liking the polarity
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of the response at this point. If I make the
same album again, I'm not an artist If I make
the same project after seven projects. This is my chance
to pivot, and I took it, and I'm just I'm
stoked to be here. Is exactly exactly. Some people are like,
this is the best thing I've ever heard you do,
and some people are like this is chicken scratch and
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it sounds like noise and I hate it, Like, oh,
I don't listen to anyone. I made the album I
wanted to make, and I'm happy with it.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
It's a bunch of different genres and it's so different.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It was so fun to make. I had it was
the funnest process. It was so many people involved that
were all feel the exact same way about it. It
felt like our album, not just mine. We got to
celebrate it, like I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I keep hearing you talk about your fitness journey. Yeah,
but then they said recently you were body shamed on.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know it was an interesting body shame because what
it was was the accusations that I got ab etching.
But yeah, it's it's really interesting. The thing is I
have diascesis right that and a hernia from being pregnant,
so my muscles are split down the middle, so I
have I have this space right here and this I
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have like a lump because it's my intestine, it's a
hernia and it kind of looks like an extra ab
randomly above my belly button. Everybody was like, that's the proof,
like and then they were like, yes, proof because she's
not super muscly anywhere else but just her core and
won if you go back like genetically I have my
dad is super buff, like I'm damn here bill like
my father, and then I've always kind of had right
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you can really see it, and I and I've always
had abs. And then upon like just really training my
core to like make up for the fact that my
muscles aren't connected and I have to get my core
together to be able to do any things. That's the
center of everything. I have to go a little hard
on that. And I honestly thought it was hilarious. And
then people just being like, is that a man, and
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I was like, do you want me to be?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Jesus?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Would you like me to be?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
But what I love is like you didn't get mad
and like go get online and start going crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Ba it doesn't do anything. I used to do that
a lot, and then you just realize, like there's crazy
shit every day, like people talk about some new shit
the next day. I remember when the internet used to
destroy me, like it you what I remember the other day,
maybe last week, somebody might have tweeted like, oh, like,
y'all don't call Kailine dirty and she has tattoos and
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someone said, oh, you must be new here, and everybody
was like yeah, because twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen, that
was it. Everybody was calling me ugly, dirty, all everything.
And I used to be what I was fucked up
about it like consistently, and then I just got to
a point where I was like, well, life kind of
goes on and like I know myself and like there
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are people that know me and love me deeply care
about me, and like you wash right, Hello, Yes, if
you guys would like to come to my house for
a week and don't check in my shower twice a
day and the levels of aftercare, Like that's on you, guys,
but you know, you know you can't prove those things
to people. People who already want to be like that
are going to be like that.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Regard anyway, Are you still on social media?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
You got off because of that?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
No, I had got off for a second. I actually
didn't have Twitter for two years. I just got back
on because it's just what I get back on good
mental Oh it's a terrible place. It's a terrible place.
But the people that I need to speak to, my fans.
I once I learned how to really put blinders on,
and not theoretical blinders, but like actual blinders, to be
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consistently like this is what matters, and these are the
people that love me. It's been the best thing in
the world. Sometimes I have my moments. Someone yesterday says
some shit to me, like I think Calin is confused
about her sexuality, and I was like, I've been exclusively
dating women for three years and like the music's really gay,
but sure, And then somebody, how am I confused? I
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think I'm the least confused I've ever been. But I
left the tweet up for ten seconds and deleted it.
You have you know, you have your moments.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, how did your record label and I guess just
the industry period react to your advocacy for Palestine.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You know, I think we're in a kind of a
loop for so long of like what's safe to speak
about and what's not safe to speak about, especially with
the powers that be being so powerful and that running
so deep. Obviously, my music came out, and obviously I'm
super supportive, so absolutely no problem from my record label.
I have experienced a lot of pushback. I've experienced a
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lot of loss. I've experienced a lot of things that
were promised and set up for this rollout and album
to happen, that were supposed to be a lot of
first really yeah, magazines and these things, and those brand
deals and opportunities that were sad to lose by at
the end of the day, like, I don't I don't
regret doing something that I can go to sleep at night.
I can go to sleep knowing that, like what I
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learned to be as an artist, I'm aligned with because
I grew up fully understanding, you know, the role of
art in liberation, and that's not to place myself in
alignment with you know, those artists and those revolutionary acts.
But that's to say, like I understood what it meant
to not be silent, even if I never, you know,
put it with the song in the video, even if
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just me speaking out, I always knew what it meant
to have a platform and that responsibility in that way,
and like I can go to sleep knowing that, like
I don't, I can look myself in the mirror, you know,
and know that I did, I did the right thing.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Do these magazines and stuff. Tell your people why they
say you always hear advocacy of palist.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Those are really big buildings with a lot of people involved,
so it always makes its way back.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, now you speak. You also mentioned that your advocacy
for Palestine caused a lot of artists to ignore your collaboration.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So I was talking very fast on a live very
caffeinated early in the morning, and I wasn't able to
like really elaborate on that. There are a lot of
more people involved on artist teams and just the artists.
And it also wasn't every feature. There were certain people
who didn't get it back in time or it wasn't
aligned with like the timing of their album. I didn't
mean every single artist, But there were artists that I
did reach to when someone on the team was like,
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we don't fuck with her, or they said this, and
then another thing made its way to me, or like
another like things we know, we know, things travel, we know,
people have conversations, and those people have conversations, and people
were respectful enough to not, you know, text me back
and say, girl, fuck you, I'm Zionists. You know, things
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like that. But I wasn't able to really elaborate that
when I and I would never I would never sit
here and name names, because it's not about that. It's
more about how insidious these the industries are and that
we can be so afraid to lose what we've built
because so many of us have come from nothing to
where we have this scarcity mindset of like I have
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to protect what I have going on so hard that
I will do anything to stay in that world to
protect it because I have to keep feeding my family,
I have to keep you know, building my legacy. I
have to do that. I don't want to chance that.
And it's sad because that thing that does get dangled
in front of our faces when it comes to really
important political matters that people don't align with It's sad,
it's unfortunate, and I don't I'm not mad at anyone.
I'm not holding anything against anyone. I was definitely on
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that live like yeah, and by the way, let me
tell y'all about that. But I definitely have those moments
where I'm like, this shit is fucked up. But typically
I'm a I'm a longer thinker and I have more
to the thought. And it was just unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So you understand when artists don't want to speak god
about political or social issue.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
How do you feel about it? Right particular background.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I am the type of person that is very nuanced,
like I understand how people got to most things. It's unfortunate.
I feel like it's unfortunate. I am saddened by it
does make me sad because I really do believe in
our power as people with influence. This is why the
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presidents involve music artists. What they've got. They've got all
type of music artists campaigning for for the president save God,
they bring it. They bring us out to sing out
all the campaigns, all the events, whenever there's anything going
on that they want us to all get together and
drop a song for it like they keep showing us
how powerful we are. There's people there's a younger generation
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who don't know what a policy is, but they would.
They know their rappers' favorite songs, they know their R
and B singer's favorite songs, and they will learn about
anything going on in the world if their favorite person
tells them. And I may have expressed it super like
angrily every single time I've talked about it online, but
that's because I understand that also sometimes shame works as
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a teacher. So if I got to come on there
and say fuck all of y'all, because wake your ass up.
If you want to sit and have a longer conversation
with me, we can get to this point. But it
has made me viscerally angry so many times to feel like,
look what we could do. And they also wouldn't be
able to hold us back anymore. If we all bended together,
they can't cancel all of us. They could cancel me,
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and they'd be like, Okay, we got somebody out of here.
That's cool. They get canceled a couple people speak up,
but if everybody spoke up, that power imbalance wouldn't exist anymore.
We're just the people United, that's the quote, so we
have to like stand on that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And you raised over a half a million dollars for
Gaza Sudan and the do you think money is the
only way people can help?
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Absolutely not. I think in every single issue, the idea
is that you're supposed to listen to the requests of
the people at the core of the issue. You're supposed
to abide by the requests of the most suppressed. And
they have asked us to literally speak like that's the
thing about this whole, Like social media doesn't do anything.
Speaking doesn't do anything. Awareness doesn't do anything. But those
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there are people in Congo who are just saying make
our stories heard. There are people in Sudan who go
just speak about us. They're not talking about us on
the news, they're not talking about us in these magazines,
they're not talking about us anywhere. But you guys are
Gaza opened the door for people to even be aware
of Congo and Sudan on a global scale, because those
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issues have have preceded this genocide. Those genocides have been
have been happening, those famines that extremely like displacement, those
have already been existing, and Gaza has opened up the
world to to Haiti, to Yemen, to all of these
places that all this is going on. So the least
we can do is share things here and there. And
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you don't have to have money, but if you do,
you should put it where your mouth is. For sure.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I was gonna ask what Kamala Harris, being from from
your side of town, did y'all ever have a conversation
did you ever reach out to herb for everything that's
going on at all?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm not really a big on presidents or they're they're folks.
Not a governmental girl, Really.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They're not really. I mean there's powering government, but the
real powers with.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
The people people.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, you are a West Coast girl, and girl,
what do you think about was gone? I who was
going for what?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I haven't publicly rooted for anyone? But have you not
seen me at the club?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You could hear me through the soundproof star. I very
much respect both artists. Drake actually named my album it
was good until it was and he's shown me a
lot of love over time, like publicly privately, so has
Kendrick like he did. You were having a conversation and
I told him what I wanted to name it. And
then he was like, no, what's going on in life?
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And I told him and he was like, and I
was like, yeah, I was. Honestly it was good until
it wasn't. He was like, if you don't use it
as your album title, I am, And I was like, okay, right,
you're right. It is a very Drake album title. I
think it it came down to if I'm on some
West Coast shit, I'm from the West, Like, I know,
I know how important this unity is of all of us,
and I know how imperative this representation of us is.
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Like I love Kendrick. That's the only artist I've ever
stood in the line and like waiting to get something
signed for when I was in high school, Like it's
soundtrack to my life. So I have no like personal
entrances in anything. I'm just as a fan of the music.
We just musically just music. I mean, we have to
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respect what we what we saw, we saw bay people.
Ever since though, oh my god, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Listen when you sing that like us, because it's so catchy.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I have had moments where I was like in the
club and I've seen that it's a club thing, and
I was like, damn, this is crazy. But I also
remember every single big disc track in history being able
to be played for massive groups of people gathering and
it being a thing that everybody is like I was
too young for like the Ether era, but like everybody
talks about it and they're like this was.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Crazy, Like this is in the club every night though
wasn't in the club.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean Back to Back was in the club.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
The club.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, so it's eras it's moments. Honestly, I'm not in
hip hop, so I can't speak to the sport of it,
but like it's a sport. I guess you have a.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Text drink like, yo, man, you did your think let
me be ashamed about it? Was all good. No.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I feel like he has real people around him will
hold them down, and I feel like it's taken that
moment to be like, hey, by the way, let me
make sure you know I support you. Yeah, he's got
his folks.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
You mentioned a tour.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Absolutely, I made this album to tours specifically, Like there
was so many sounds where I was like, this is
gonna be so fun to saying, it's gonna be so
fun to dance to, It's gonna be so fun to
play with a band, so absolutely well. I think for me,
touring is the epicenter of my like my career, to
the point where sometimes you don't even see you can't
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even really tell what's going on with the music streaming
and charting wise, people are like what And then you
come to the tour and it's these huge venues and
people are like, I actually had no idea because when
I look at how it's doing over there, and it's
just a classic example for me of like impact versus
you know, numbers, and my shows are huge. My shows
are a blast. Everybody has a great time, everybody feels safe,
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everybody has fun. Like that. That is what's important to me.
So we're gonna do it again, for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That's what's up, because by then I would have had
my baby and I can get high.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You miss it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Very much, Okay, Oh yeah, I'm not like you. I'm
going to smoke, okay, but not backwards though.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm starting
to get off the backwoods movement with all the friends
take care of yourself like medicines. I like CBD a lot.
I like mushrooms and a lot of mushrooms. Making this album.
You might could tell there's some trips on here.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, that one that you played me, oh my God?
Which one was when oh my God? It sounds like a.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Oh my God, like if very next to you. I
don't know, but he had.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Played it, and I was like, damn, if I sure,
I probably be like after I was going crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
No, not, I was.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I can dance to that one, but this one just
seemed like I have no idea, I forgot, but he
was playing it, playing the whole album earlier, but it
was one particular song.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I was like, oh yeah, I'm can't wait to get
out of that.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
I was probably all mushrooms when I made it for you.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Are you are you aware of like the journey in
life that you're going through, and if so, what era
would you define?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
This era? So comparatively to where I was at with
my last album, I feel like my last album, I
had reached the ending of what was like toxic positivity
and like toxic spirituality, like almost psychossy, being like really
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in my like and not accepting that. Also what comes
with that is like they're really getting into your shadow
and really getting into also like every single part of
myself and and now I'm in this. I feel like
this era is just really standing in it. I feel
like I'm down to be whatever everybody thinks I am.
For the first time in my life. I'm not over
here trying to prove anything different. I'm not over here
(33:53):
like I don't care to clear up anything. I don't
care to address anything. I have nothing to say about
any of that. If you think I suck, let's do it.
If you think I'm a terrible person, let's do it. If
you think I'm the best person in the world. Thank you.
I appreciate you, and I think that that truly speaks
to what you were saying about how different I feel
is that I'm settled in a way where I'm so
at peace with who I know I am and my
(34:15):
court foundation that it's not going to be rocked by
anything else going on. Great, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
The album Crash is out now. What you want to hear,
don't say after hours. We played that already, So what
you besides that?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Play Deep? Deep, that's a fun one.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Deep, all right, Let's get into Deep right now. Make
sure you pick up the album if you haven't got
it already, and congratulations on everything.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The fact that you're just happy. You just look happy
that you are in a place of peace.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm super happy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, it's killine, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
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