The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson To Discuss 'All The Smoke' Podcast & Book, Kobe, Kamala, And Bronny James. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Everybody is dej Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We
are the Breakfast Club Justice on maternity leave you So,
Lonlosa is filling in, and we got some special guests
in the building. That's right, we got Matt Bondes and
Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How y'all feeling good, good, tired but good.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Good, collectively known as All the Smoke podcasts? Right Their
new coffee table book is out right now, All the Smoke.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, I always say, like, I know that there's
a lot of athletes who do podcasts and stuff. Now,
I don't know anybody before y'all. I feel like y'all
started that whole way. So to see y'all be the
first with a coffee table book, man, that makes so
much sense to me.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Man, it's been a blessed. It's been a journey. I mean,
our five year anniversary is tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
If you would have told me like five years later
we'd have a coffee table book, a whole production company
and people working underneath us, so how it would have
been like, you're full of shit? I didn't even know
what the podcast was at the time, So you know,
we're blessed to come together and find lightning in a
bottle and thankful for the opportunities and obviously being able
to partner with you and your your your company and
be able to get this done was dope.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
A lot of people don't know that. Bro. Fass out
to you. A lot of our success, you know, a
lot of stuff that we have going on.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
You brought our way and you thought about us, even
with black effects, So we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
A lot of people don't know that. So we got
to give you a props to.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
All of my brothers, how did this come about? Through
this just for a podcast? Like I know y'all was
partner to go.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I think I think Jack retired maybe one or two
years before me and we both got out and we're
doing ESPN and Fox and getting positive feedback and people
said we needed to do something together. And we were
at my house in the Bay one time smoking and
I'm just like, you want to do a podcast?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And he's like, sure, what is it? I was like,
I don't really know, but.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think we can drink and smoke because we were
working ESPN and Fox. You know, you got to kind
of walk that line. So it was just a little
bit more to our comfort zone. And he said, yeah,
So I started doing the homework and we landed here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We landed the showtime, and you interviewed so many, so
many people. Who are some of your favorite people that
you guys have interviewed in the past.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I mean, I'm a I'm a big hip hop guy,
and the comedy guys, so the comedians and the rap
artists like Lil Wayne. Having Kevin Hard on the show,
you know, been able to laugh at them. I think
Jamie Foxx we was home during COVID episode, man, I
think everybody needed that was so and we had the
comedians and the hip hop artist on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That's always my favorite.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I just think, you know, being a like you guys
are trusted voice in the space is important.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, for us to start with j R.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Smith and end up with Kamala Harris and Kobe's last
interview and staff KD and Shaq and the list goes on,
you know, Will Smith, Jada, Jada, Pink and Smith. I
just think being a trusted voice in the space with
so many voices is you know something I prought myself.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
On I think athletes didn't have a safe space before
before y'all, especially in NBA players because we can't speak
the language y'all speaking. So it causes them to open
up in a different way.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
We were ee emotions on the sleeve and everything we've
been through in life is on the table for everybody
to see, and were willing to talk about it. So
I think when I guess see that it's easy for
them to open up too. Kamala was your most recent
we said joke.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Kim Noah after her, But yeah, Kamala was, yeah, a
big boy for us.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And how was that? I know you're a little reluctant
a little bit at first.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Oh no, you know that I called him and talked
to him about it. Me and Matt. We went at
it for a couple of days about it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You don't want to do it at first.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Nah, because I really don't want to get in politics.
I don't I don't even want to be involved, and
a lot of people that support me don't get involved.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I look at it the same way I look at it,
but as a friend and as a brother to him.
You know, anything that that that he asks me to
do something. You know, nine or ten times, I'm lord
to a fault, you know what I'm saying, even if
it's something I don't want to do. But I know
it was beneficial for our company. I know it's benefit
and I see that after I did the interview. I
see now. I have a lot of women in my life.
(03:43):
I have eight aunts, six daughters, you know, so I
would look to them after I did the interview. I'm
glad I did it now because they all look at
her and look up to her and inspire to be
great like her.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So I'm glad I did it.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
How did you guys prepare for her?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
A lot of studying, a lot of smoke in the
But I want to take it back before I get
to your question. You know, when he said he didn't
want it, first of all, I told him I was
a stack I've ever led you wrong in a business
decision or life, And he said no. But you know,
when he said he didn't want to get involved with
the politics, I told him, you know, I don't think
that was his choice because once he did that George
Floyd thing, he put his smack dab in the middle
(04:20):
of the biggest leading one of the biggest protests this
world has ever seen. So a lot of things come
with that, a lot of good, a lot of bad,
but a lot of things come with that. And I
think that he implanted himself in the middle. And I
always respected, I mean, I always will respect his opinion.
But I just thought this could be an opportunity for
he has a very loyal following, and it could have
been a you know, it was. It was an opportunity
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for him to you know, get some stuff on his
chest or ask straight to the face, you know, asked
her to ask her straight to the face those questions.
So I'm glad he decided to come around. It took
him a minute, like literally, he let me tell you, bro,
until she came in the room. Jack wouldn't fucking with you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So she came in the room, and then she took
us away from the group and and took us on
a walk throughout the house and started showing us these
this dope black.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Art and sculptures. And Jack was still tough, like, I
ain't with this.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
And then he saw this one piece of already liked
and she talked about it, and she had moved on,
and I kept falling, and he went and touched the
art and looked at it. I was like, oh, she
might be getting to him. And then he showed she
showed this dope ass chandelier. And then once she showed
the chandelier and explained it, and the jack started smiles like,
all right, she got him.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So we were straight.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So it took a minute.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Did she know that you didn't want to do it?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
She had a little bit, She had somebody to show
him how to hand her handed to her.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But how do we prepare?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I mean just I mean we prepared like we used
to play, like watch game films, so we study, you know,
we'd go back and do research and then we get
with our research team and find out the strategy. My
strategy with this interview was it wasn't a political interview.
It wasn't all the smoke interview. We happened to ask
a few political questions. We felt it was close to
our community, but at the end of the day, we
wanted to humanize her and get to know her a
little better. So just kind of figuring out what was
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that opening question to get her laughing and smiling, and
you know, found out the story about the blind date
with her now husband, Doug, And as soon as we
asked that, she started smiling from ear to ear, and
we knew that we kind of got her to open,
you know, put her guard down a little bit, and
it was it was a fun interview.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The biracial question and the question about the blended family
killed Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because like it
connected with her. She could there's no script for that. Now,
you know, you can't go to your talking points for that.
You got to be honest, you.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Got to be and that's what we wanted, you know,
Charlotte Mane. We've we've been lucky to humanize and make
our guests feel comfortable to really share their true opinions.
And and and biracial and step step parents we both are,
but biracial is something that I've you know, fought with
and dealt with really my entire career, and now that
this is at the forefront of her campaign, I just
thought it would be a great talking point.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And that's all telling Jack. So I'm like, yo, if not,
you didnt who because you know, if you got an
opinion about these elected officials and you've been expressing it,
expressed it to her.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
But I also think too. I mean, she could have
went to any podcasts. There's a ton, like you said,
there's a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I love the fact that she came in. I
said that the other day in the radio.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I was like, you know, she needs to do where
people are going, and sometimes these politicians go to places
where we don't necessarily go to, and I want to
see her do more stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, a little bit of conversations with her, like off
of the air, like were there things that y'all talked about?
Offer were you like to have?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I asked her.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
She know, because I knew that the the Vice President
House was probably stiff and white for at a lot
of years after she added her touch to it. And
that's when we got kind of started talking about the
art and stuff she's done to the house to kind
of put her put her energy around it. What else
we talked about, Actually, I feel like the last three
or four four minutes of the podcast, and I think
we caught some of it just it was a back
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and forth.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
You know, do you remember what we were talking about
the very end we was talking about what she asked
about Gianna, We talked about the war.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, being there you know we played, Yeah, we believe.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Did y'all smoke before y'all got there?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I did, of course, I'm now, Yeah, it was too
presidential to be able to try to sneak it in
and get one off. And we was representing a lot
of people said we didn't want to get in trouble,
but yeah, definitely pregamed.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know, that was one of them smoke shower, you know, giower.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Like you still got after ras with the run Office.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Man I did. Man.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I said that at like early thirties, and you know,
I started shadowing Kevin Johnson, who was the current mayor
at the time. Then I worked with Daryl Steinberg a
little bit, and you know it, I said it at
fifty on forty four now, so we'll see. I mean,
you know, year by year I get more engaged and
learn more and try to understand the process. So if
(08:26):
my business affairs are in order by the time I'm fifty,
I may you know, chase that down.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
What do you say to people who say that people
in sports shouldn't talk about stuff like politics like they should.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Just well, I just feel like we're affected by everything,
you know what I mean, just because we played a
certain sport. I mean, we're fathers, we're business owners. You know,
we're in the community, We're tied to everything. So I mean,
I respect people whether they want to be in it
or not. But you know, my whole thing with people
is kind of learned the process. So if you're going
to be mad at least you know what the fuck
you're mad at. You know a lot of people are
mad at lies and mad at misconceptions. So my whole
(08:59):
thing is learned the process and understand the process and
how things the pecking order and the actual president, the
power that the president and the vice president don't really have,
you know, understanding Congress and the House and the Senate,
and then and then if you still want to be mad,
be mad. But I think just a lot of people
are are headline readers and they want to get mad
at bullshit. So to me, if you want to be mad,
like learn it and then find something to be mad at.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
For me, I think it's just really common sense what
we need and what we need to do. It ain't
rocket signed, So that's I'm not in the hope dealing,
you know what I'm saying. We all know what we need,
We all what we need to stop doing is and
to change to get America. You know, everybody have an
equality and we will act like everything else needs to
be done besides the common sense shit, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So that's why I don't want to be in politible.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We have a surprise, you know because kind of like
the Breakfast Club, our clips live on and you always
see it, but I see the same thing with your clips.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It could be something that y'all did four years ago.
Are you have a surprise?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
How long your clips go and how people recognize you
from the podcast and not from the playing days.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That goes back to, you know, the LAW fan base.
You know. That's that's why we do a lot of
stuff we do is for the fan.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
But we got a Law a long fan base that's
been rock with us since we've been playing, you know
what I mean. So to to see our stuff resurfacing
and we not the ones be posting it, that means
a lot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, we're going in the right direction, definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You know, y'all had the last conversation with Kobe Bryant,
last interview with Kobe Bryant, and I always wondered was
that the last time either one of y'all actually.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Spoke to him.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
That was the first and last time I spoke to
him since we played against each other.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Wow, I know, mad, y'all had.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
A Yeah, we would see each a little bit more
because he was coaching Gigi and I was coaching the Twins.
So we had talked maybe one time after that, and
then he had sent some shoes literally the week I
think he passed on a Sunday. He sent shoes that
previous Monday to the Twins and their whole team, so
they had just got fresh Kobe. So we had spoken then. Obviously,
like I said, he sent some shoes the week of
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the actual past, so it was it was tough, man.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What stands out from that conversation? I mean you have it,
y'all have it in the All the Smoke Coffee table book.
But what stands out from that competation just from that date?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I think the pre conversation we went into his office
and how Adam and he was of.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
People the whole ride there though, yeah, oh yeah, we
just shipped on the ride right, the whole ride there
was like, got to put that out right. We never
put that out there. That was crazy. We had a
dope ride. We filmed and talked a lot of shit.
But I think with y'all three not just the anticipation
because we would have to go see him.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So we left from LA to Orange Candy, like an
hour and a half hour and a half drive depending
on when you drive.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Butted that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
One maybe too one, Yeah, yeah, yeah, not too much.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But we had a conversation in this office before we
actually got on camera, and he was really adamant about
this next twenty years then and for the world to
be prepared for what he was doing in business. He
was just finishing writing one of those children novels he
was working on, and he just like, fellas like, I
don't want people to remembory for my last twenty years.
I want them to memory for my next twenty years.
You know, you have the fun and had one Emmy's
and doing all kinds of stuff in the business space.
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And obviously really saw when I got to see him
coach Gigi and just he didn't always never showed a
ton of joy, but you can just tell he loved it.
I mean, he had these little girls running the triangle
offence would take some grown men a long time to learn.
He had these girls practicing four or five days a week,
three hours a day. Like the thing about COVID, he
didn't take nothing light when it came to basketball. So
(12:10):
these were little young girls, but they were running the
Lakers offense to a t.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It was.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
He was like a drill sergeant with it. But you
could tell he loved it. You know, all those little
girls loved him and looked up to him, and just
the passion behind that was beautiful to see.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
For me, I think.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Seeing meeting him as a teenager and seeing him go
into the icon he was I just admired that. You know,
with so many, so many players and basketball players you
come across doing aau and traveling, you know, coming up
as a teenager, you see so many people that's supposed
to be great that don't live up to it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know what I'm saying. He lived up to it
and exceeded it.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
So you know, just to be able to sit there
to talk to him after our careers, you know what
I mean, and go through the memories, you know what
I'm saying, then you know before he passed them in
everything to me.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It was Kobe, a Scooper or a Scooper or a score.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
He was definitely a hoopo. Okay, yeah, he was a
dog on both ends. Definitely a dog, not even close.
Probably the mask out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Who People got mad at you when you said that,
But I don't even play ball and understand.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What you were saying.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, because a lot of those people who got mad
are the ones I was talking to.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
People only get mad when they're guilty of it. You
know what I'm saying, I want to shoot fits.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
It's a lot of guys that were built and came
to the NBA where their job was just to score
that they compete on both fends.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A lot of them didn't give that effort. And that's
just the facts.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I just seen the video again yesterday of you and
Kobe going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Well, I mean when you mentioned that, that was the
thing that came to my mind, Like, I coach kids
now and they become kids are coming to me to
AU tournament that weren't even born.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You did.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You did that to Kobe, But they didn't even see that.
The minutes before they.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Was Yeah, we was going at it, you know, and
it was funny. And last interview we talked, I was
ready to fight him.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, Kobe, let's stop you.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
From swinging on him, because he was elbow to your stomach.
He was pushing you. It got to the point where time.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Was like, if you gotta respect for certain people where
they won't do that either they know you know what
I'm saying, you'll go to that point. And it's some
people that you don't even know they'll go to point.
Then I'll knock you out. But Kobe, like, that's just competition.
It ain't it ain't personal.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
But it was personal that day though it looked like
because I mean, obviously we all know how great he was,
is just to play, but he was mentally too, so
like he said, all the elbow and ship that the
refs claim they don't see or or don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Like I was tired of that ship, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And I keep getting called foulst for retaliating, So I'm like,
fuck this man.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That's how y'all got cool, he said. But he said,
if anybody crazy enough to mess with me like this,
I want him on my team.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
He called me that, so I was actually my deal
was up in Orlando, and this is when Bron and
Bosh were going to Miami. So I was talking to
Pat Riley and even d Wade on the phone one time,
and Pat was telling me about the lineups and the
championships we can win.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And I got a cold.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Call from a number I didn't even know and happened
to pick it up and it was him, and we
talked a little bit and I congratulated them about winning
and asked.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What I was doing.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He said, what you said, He's just like, you want
to be a Laker. I'm like, hell, yeah, like three
days Laker. I was.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Three days later, I was a Laker.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wow, what do you think about the Lakers?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
We see Brownie played the last two games and people
are on Brownie's ass And that's.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
A beautiful I showed. We got in the car with
that's the dopest pitch. Yeah, when you're helping his dad up,
that's the dopest shit. Whoever hate die?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think if anyone deserves this opportunity
to play with his son, I think it's him, you
know what I mean. And the fact that that whole
thing was orchestrated for him to get to the Lakers
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And I was. I was.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I had a moment this past summer because my twins
are fifteen now, so I take them and play against
grown men. And I remember one time me and the
twins were on the same team playing and we was hooping.
I'm just like, man, this is so dep I couldn't
imagine this on the highest level. So to me, I
want to give a five. I mean, the kid was
a fifty fifth pick. I mean the fifty fifth pick
doesn't even make it. So all these crazy expectations for
him earlier ridiculous, like allow him to develop, But you know,
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we don't live in a world where development is allowed,
especially on the highest level. So I think from a
father's son aspect, is incredible. But you know, the Lakers
are one of those teams where you got to produce
what have you done for me lately? And they haven't
necessarily done that. So it's going to be interesting, you know,
scrutinage year.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
I think we were talking about that earlier. Do you
think that Brownie will actually have the chance to develop?
But you feel like people going to pigeonhold him so
much that it might get you have.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Even more of a chance to develop because his father's death,
Like that's the motivation to have and he's seeing what
it takes to be great. So all that is in
him already, and now he's in the in the in
the facilities where you have everything here to be great.
I think, I think, yes, everything you need. And I
think he's definitely gonna blost mover.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And I also think too, I mean, I don't think
you look at Bronnie in the same light as you
look at lebron. I just think I think he's going
to be a very solid role player. I mean, he's
got a high high i Q place defense, can make
the right play, can shoot the ball. So I just
think he needed a little bit more time to develop,
and now he's developing on the biggest stage. But I think,
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you know, two three, four years, he's going to be
a very solid rotational player.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Does he starting a leg or do you think there's no?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think he should. To me, it's about playing. You know,
I play with JJ and I fuck with j J heavy.
I think he's you know, he's gonna be on the
hot seat. But I like his mentality. He's very he teaches,
he's he's a personable person. So for all the people
say no, that like the most important thing is getting
to play. You don't learn ship from sitting on the
bench and watching. So Bronni has to play. So whether
that's going to be eight to ten minutes in the
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real game or if it's going to play thirty minutes
on the G league level, I think he just needs
to play, and I think they'll figure that out.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
You can't simulate the NBA in the G League, though,
you got to play in the NBA. They understand the
NBA pacing game.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The D League is totally but you just have to
play though. Yeah, I mean it can get you ready,
but yeah, it's harder to be successful day.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
But to be successful and to make a name for
yourself in the NBA, you know what I'm saying, You
have to learn how to play that game.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, no doubt will be considered success.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But Brianni fifteen fourteen year career a long career, you
know in the NBA. I mean that would say we
not expect him to score fifty thousand points, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We expect him to be a star and possibly be
an All Star one day.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I got to ask, you know, since since we are
in New York. New York just made a trade that
sent Cat here.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What were your thoughts on that trade?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Wonderful?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I know y'all happy, Yeah we got some. I love
Jordis rounder, but I take care of him any day,
you know. And Cat is way more durable. We lose
a shoot it though, you lose a shoot it, but
but he does way more than just shoot, can't he does?
And then and in the East too. I think a
big guy like that that can spread the floor on
this team. I think him and Be go at it
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to the next scrap one time.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's gonna be. You know, I'm adult. I like dogs.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
So obviously seeing Devincenzo and Julius Randall leave, you know,
kind of like you know what I mean, because I shot.
You know, they're they're trying to put something together.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
They put the whole.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Replace that, replace that man.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
On I'm not mistaken. He hit the most threes and
NIX history.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes, it helps us out people.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, Now he's a very solid role player, definitely.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I definitely feel like now, so I think Cats really
going to help this team. If he's three level. Cat
not just to staying outside and shooting jumpers all day.
And I think this fan basic won't allow some of
the stuff he was doing in Minnesota where he would
settle a lot because he is so skilled and talented
and can score on all three levels, and there's a real,
real problem. But I think sometimes he settles. But I
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think he's coming into a situation that's not only good
for him, but you know, his fiance or his girl,
because you know, she's kind of into things too. So
being in this media market is going to be very
beneficial for him if he attacked it the right way.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I feel like, isn't this family from ye? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, man, I wish both sides good luck. I'm inested
to see too how Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall get along,
because that's two dogs right there, so to see how
the how their chemistry works.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know what I want to ask you about, Jack,
that the Malice in the Palace died, right, man, I
didn't realize how much that situation impacted y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You think you think about Yes, y'all could have want
to chip that.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I think that was a year for us to win
the Chippy. If you look when lebro happened and we
probably had the second or best record in the league.
When it happened, and we was blowing everybody out, and
I think we all knew that that was Reggie's last hurrah,
you know, we want to win it for him. But
like I said, it wasn't the same I missed. I
missed with two or three All Star Games because of
that Jermaine. Jermaine was a shoe in Hall of Famer
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around their time to that happened. And Ron was possibly
the first you know, can win Defensive Player and Office
in MVP in the same year. So all those things
were working for us in that one incident killed everything.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And it didn't and it didn't bring It didn't seem
like it brought y'all together, not all of y'all.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
It didn't because everybody didn't do it for Law to
you know what I'm saying. Everybody went in that situation
for Law till some people was in it because they
was there, you know what I mean. I actually rolled
with my teammate for you know, for being a good teammate.
A lot of guys just in there doing stuff that
wasn't necessary, you know, and uh it cost us that season.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
How many times did that happen to you in your life?
Day were you just I don't give this my guy,
We're going at you. You you going to war, I'm
going to walk.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I'm low to a fault, I'm long to a fault.
But you know what I'm saying. But like I could
sleep that way. You know what I'm saying, we go
somewhere right now. So I'm mightna be the first one
to jump out. That's just how I was taught, That's
how I was raised. But you know, as you get older,
you get smarter.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Is that one of the things that you you regret
that season, like how all of that played out?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, I regret it because you know, I was a
consider myself a real good basketball player, and I missed
a lot of All Star games like accolades because of that.
You know, even when I had great seasons, that still
was a cloud over my over my great play.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And it hurt it Ron too and Jamaine. So it
definitely wasn't benefics for none of us.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Was it tough to do that, doc, Like just to
sit there and after we live all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, I mean it was the reason why I was.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It wasn't tough because it was grat gratifying for getting
some money for talking about it. You lost so much
for one punch, like, let me get some money back
for talking about it. You do more than one punch
what I threw two.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's it. I'm glad you said that right now.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
This is why I said I shouldn't have got fined.
When it all happened, I jumped up and went over
the stanch. I went six rolls up, didn't hit nobody,
got to run. A bear was thrown in his face
the second time, and that's the guy. When I turn around,
a guy was holding wrong punching him. I hit him.
I didn't. If I was just wanted to be stupid,
I could have hit everybody those six rolls up. But
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I went to protect him, so I wasn't really don't
know idiot stuff, you know what I'm saying. I was
just being a protector. But it just turned out to
look that way. So if you look at it, I didn't.
I could have hit a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I didn't. The man didn't get loose, as.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I wasn't been watching the evolution in marijuana in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I was beautiful.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I think I think we don't get enough credit for it,
you know, because to be able to play in the
NBA now and not get tested like you don't know.
We went through job and we were paying people and
all kind of drinking, all kind of stuff, justice and
do all kinds of stuff just to be able to smoke.
So now they can, you know, do it freely. I mean,
I know a lot of guys that might not talk
about it publicly, but I know they appreciate, you know,
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being able to smoke and and and relax after the
game the right way without taking all them pills and shit.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think, you know, when I retired in seventeen, that
was one of my main focuses being the shield for
the current guys. And you know, myself and my brother
Herring team were flying out here to New York to
talk to the players Sociation in the league and just
understanding the plant, study the plant until they both got
you know, people on both sides to start studying it.
And from what I heard that the NBA was really
against it, still the PA was more for it, and
they had to come to a common ground and they
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ended up doing that, you know obviously in the bubble
when you know, with the COVID hit and they gave
the players time off and then they brought everyone back
to the bubble. If they would have tested that, probably
eighty five percent of the league would have failed because
guys were off, didn't know if the season was going
to come out, and the majority of the guys you know, medicated,
So you know, I think there was a very smart
move for them to co and bypass it there and
then after that it was gone.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So I think I say all that to say it's
it was.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
It was tough smoke in our entire career because it
was you know, every time we did it, we were
risking fines or suspensions. So it was a real job
to smoke in the league. And now, like Jack said,
just to be able to freely do it, to relax,
go to lead, focused, anti inflammatory, all the properties for it.
I think it's I'm happy for those guys, but.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
You are trying to have the conversations then though, like, yo,
this is what this is what's helping us, right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Did the conversations needed to happen, But I think my
conversation when I started talking was after the fact because
it was just so like they didn't want to hear
that shit, you know what I mean. It just it
was something you couldn't do, you know what I mean.
So I think as as the world progressed and we
started getting you know, research behind the positives instead of
just the negatives, I think that's when the game started
to change.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Could you physically play high? Cause I'd be reading these
stories about Michael and might they used to be drinking.
But why then going to drop.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Fifty before I play or not? I just smoke exactly
before the game.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But that day early in the morning, probably, yeah, I
probably did, but not going to the game. I didn't
came down, but like going to the game fresh off
one absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Not in the NBA, you getting cooked. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I know a couple of dudes that that that smoked
driving into the gym. We won't say them names, but
they was different. So I mean, I could smoke, you
know a few hours before, but I wouldn't smoke on
the way to the game one because I didn't want
to smell like it around everybody. But too, it's just like,
depending on what you're smoking, you're putting yourself out out
there in the atmosphere sometimes.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
So I was geeked up in the Western Conference finals
though light Yeah, I guess Dallas, I was geeked up.
We smoked before the game. I smoked right after shoot around,
like three hours for the game, and I didn't go
to sleep, So I was just geeked up doing the game.
Like certain times you don't take that nap you loaded,
and I did in the West Conference final because I
was from texts.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was just feeling good at the time and went
to work. What worked for me?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
What was the process of putting this book together? Like,
how did y'all choose which conversations to put.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
In the shutdaling?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, obviously, yeah, you and the company, and then dealing
just understanding you know, where we the caliber of guests
we had, and the different topics we spoke on. You know, again,
there's a ton of people in this space now as
far as sports, but I don't look as it as competition.
I think everyone had their own journey and their own
voice and their own experiences, and I think we still
think with all the conversations we had, our conversation is
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still different from everybody else's so just important, you know, family,
mental health, you know, everything that comes along in this journey.
And and you know, we've been able to transition from
not just a sports show to just kind of a
more of a culturally relevant show, you know, where we're
talking to the Kevin's and the Wills and the Jada's
and the Jamis and and the VP. So I just think,
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you know, high level conversations with high level people, and
you know, being able to be celebrated with that. I mean,
if I'm not mistaken with the first podcast with the
coffee table book man, so I think it's it's it's
a tremendous opportunity. We're very thankful for it and and
hope that everyone checks it out.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I named a couple of names. Don't you tell me
what your thought of the interview is? Don Staley, Uh, well,
a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
That's when I've been with my favor my favorite female
player of all time, my rookie year I wore twenty
four because of Don State.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
People don't know that.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, and when I was in New Jersey, so it
was a honor to me to baby talk to her.
You know, I never met in person, so I can't
wait to actually take a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But somebody I have mine for a long time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
That's different, Like, what what about her? You know, I've
never heard of guyfeeld woman basketball playing something like that,
Like what about her influenced well, her.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Whole swag, Like she she he had their rough park
basketball style and she was one of the first females
to bring it like AI.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, she woke back a short how she did
it her way. She talked to talk, walk.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
To walk, and you didn't see that from a woman
in basketball growing up. And then she was at a
school that was the female school, that was always on TV.
The basketball game was always on TV. So that's what
we say. So that's what I've seen a lot or.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Not same, I mean, just being a fan of her
game and then how she's been able to transition and
be a leader of young women and women. I'm always
a big fan of that. So, you know, being able
to get to talk to her and to me honestly,
and I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way.
Like we're fans of a majority of the people we
talked to, and getting a chance to get that in depth,
you know, to be able to peel back the layers
and understand who they are as a person and how
their upbringing brought them to be the people they are.
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I mean, that's always the joy and the journey of
these conversations.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
For me, about the Jamie Foxx convo that happened during a.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Cool Yeah, we laughed so hard before we even got
on air. Bro it was incredible. He was funny as hell.
Jamie's great. I mean to me, Jamie's one of the
most talented people this planet's ever seen. This versatility across
several different front it is amazing on top of him
just being a really good dude man.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So that was. That was a dope conversation.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
You have a lot of comedians that's funny when they're
doing their work.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
A lot of them. Some of them ain't naturally fun
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Jamis is naturally Like I said, like forty five minutes
before we returned the camera on Racking, he was in
wrath form like he was excited to be on the
show as well. So that was that was one of
the best ones.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, Jack, you you've dealt with a lot of
grief over the last few years. Of course, George Floyd,
your brother, sister, how have you been dealing with that
that level of grief?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Support system these guys, you know my mom and sister.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh, it's been hard, but you know it's a part
of life. Bro.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Too much is given much as required. You know, we
all go we all. I'm not going through nothing that halfy, y'all.
I haven't been through. But it gets to a point
where when it's somebody like his sister and brother, like
that's different. You know what I'm saying, Like that's that
that's different. So I haven't been the same, but it's
the day by day process. Absolutely, thanks fasking.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
How did how did you guys know it was trying
to you talk a lot about transition, that it was
time to transition in and like lean into like okay,
the podcast, the merch like just the business side of things,
Like was that a switch? It probably was planning, But
when did you know, like, okay, it's tring to jump
the fence now.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
The reason why I left the NBA the first year
of a three year deal, I happened to win a
championship with Golden State and I wouldn't get against I
wasn't getting a chance to my kids, you know what
I mean. So you know, it was kind of a
perfect storm when we won a championship and I was
ready to move. So I was just kind of excited.
And I think sometimes how why athletes have a hard
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time transitioning because they don't get to leave on their
own accord. Most of the time it's injuries or a
reputation or just teams don't want to fuck with you
no more. But you know, I was someone that just
you know, I was in the midst of a contract
and I'm just like, man, you know, this is the
blessing we won. I'm missing so much time with my sons,
my father first, so you know that was my transitioning reason.
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And then once I transition, I'm like, damn, what's next.
You know, I had invested well and you know, had
some things move, but I knew I was still needed
to find something to do. And you know, media came
knocking for both.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Of us, and you know, we kind of ran with it.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
So, I mean, Jack is the kind of guy that
you know, he trusts very few, so if you're in
this trust circle, he's going to listen to you. And
when I pitched them idea, he trusted me to run
with it and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And you know that's what I was able to do.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I feel like even with sports networks, y'all, was before
y'all time on that too. It seemed like when y'all
was on it, they didn't want y'all to talk so freely,
especially you Jack. They didn't want you. It seems like
everybody could talk freely, No, but it seemed like they
didn't want you to.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
We did it anyway, you know, we did it anyway.
You know, I'm you know, shout out to Wolves. But
I remember I was the first one to correct him
on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like people like,
damn he correct the roads. Yeah, because I got Jimmy
Butler right on speed y'all making stuff up. So like
we just being who we naturally are, you know what
I mean. And I think that's what kind of took
over when we was on TV and we did these shows.
You know, not too many basketball players come up he
(30:57):
and speak like that, and we was just being our
naturally self. He wasn't acting on put know, you know,
on camera then going out being somebody else.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We the same person on and off camera.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
And I think too a big thing was you know
Stephen A. Smith and whether you hate him a love him,
I like Stephen A. Smith and he's been instrumental in
kind of my journey. We talked often, but he was
really big on stay off the weed and used to
say that shit all the time until I called him
on it and he listened to me. You know, I
called him out on social media after I seeing it
one too many times, and then I'm on first take,
you know, at right at the docks talking about weed
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on ESPN like no one had ever done that before,
no athlete had ever done that before. So I think,
to Jack's point, it's just you know, having real conversations,
and I think people are always going to respect that.
And I remember a ton of times, and you know,
I was working for a Fox and ESPN at the time,
where you know there's certain well this is the topic,
you know, do you want to say this? I'm like, nah,
I don't want to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I wouldn't say that. I don't talk like that. This
is how I'm going to say it, you know what
I mean. So, I mean, obviously I enjoyed my time
at both networks and it kept my name fresh and
it allowed other opportunities to happen. But you know, it's
it's a little different walking on that side of media
than it is on the media side that we landed.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
On any of those networks getting it right, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So, I think, you know, small production is getting it right. Yeah,
I think, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
I think there will always be those big engines, but
I don't necessarily think you need them anymore. You know
what I mean that the digital switch is on, the
athlete driven content is on, and entertainment jet like everyone
is experts that are now talking about it. Before there
was other people always talking about what they saw, whether
it be critics and music, television, film, or sports. But
now you actually have the people talking about it. So again,
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I think there will always be the big Espns and
Foxes and all that kind of stuff, but you don't
necessarily need it anymore to get your point across, to
have a platform or to go viral.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I want to ask some basketball questions for y'all. Get
about of play Thompson. What you think about him leaving
the Warriors and you think it was time for him
to go?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I think it's a breath of fresh at for him.
I mean, some guys need that doing their career. You
know what I mean. You've played a service bop for
so long it's a bad feeling the body I ain't
won last couple of years, So a lot of times
they're going to try to find somebody to blame it on,
and it fell on Clay, you know what I'm saying,
which which is unfortunate because he's the reason why they
have a big part why to have all those championships
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over there. But this is how this is how professional
sports goes. Yeah, this is how it goes. And I
think it's great for him because he's landed in the
spot where he can do what he do best with
tour the best one on one players ever and Kyrie
and Luca.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
He could spot up and shoot jumpers.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
So I think I think it's a great, great situation
for him because I've been in a situation where I
was somewhere and I needed to go to a different
team to be to flourish and be a better player.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
When I came to Golden State, So that's kind of
the same for him.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Clay is a hooper hooper yeah, oh yeah, he played
on both ends.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
D Rose retired.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh man, hurt my soul. Where's the fair World Tour?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Where's the where's the He deserves all that for me,
you know what I'm saying he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Bro I think too.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
I mean, obviously as great as we saw, you know,
the injury slowed him down, But everything we're hearing from
is he as great as a player was, he's a
better person and you know that's always something that that's
important to us. Definitely looking forward up sitting down with
him one day. But I just think his impact on
the game, how pure.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And and and and.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And real he was, will you know, definitely be noted,
but you know, one of the greatest. I hate to
say what because obviously he gave us a lot while
he was here, was the youngest MVP of all time.
But I couldn't imagine seeing him be able to stay
who he was and get older and how much his
game would have grown and developed.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think we missed out on something really special.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
He never did gun.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
But what touches to his character that I'm ad my
how he got his wife and his kids mother to
get along and coparing, how they do it like they
are mascots for that because they do it the right way.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So sim for that. Who he's what?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Is he a hoop boy?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Score d Rose?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Good question? The Rose a hoop. I didn't see a
lot of Chase down blocks. He competes on both. He's
a hoops.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Who's the face of the league when leaves, who's in?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And Steph Leeves?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Who's the next face of the league? I should say?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I think I think it might be by committee. I
think Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Is gonna be one face like Bron.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I think it'd be by committee. I think it'll be
I think it could be a little bit of Jason Tatum.
I think it could be some Luca. I think it
could be some Shay Gil, just.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Alexander Job if you get his mind right.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Victor women Yama, I think there's a lot of I
think the league is in a great place as far
as just young talent, you know, like we haven't seen
in a long time. But it's it's funny you said that,
because I wish people would just appreciate the journey more.
We're coming to the end of Bron and Steph and
Katie and what they've done and what they've meant for
this game, and still all the criticism and hate they
get it is just crazy. I mean, because one day
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they're going to be here, but they're not going to
be in the game anymore, and people can be like, damn,
I miss them, and instead they're too busy trying to
criticize and talk shit about Bronnie and Katie's this and
stephf can't do that instead of just kind of enjoying
what they've been able to, you know, to bless the
world with w NBA.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
What are your thoughts this year? What a new excitement,
new life.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Sometimes I ain't go fron it feels better than the
NBA is it's what's your thoughts on WNBA?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Can I'm talking to?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
The women's game is pure, man, you know what I'm saying.
They all played the right way. You know, it's refreshing
to watch. It's good to see them start to get
their money and get the attention that they deserve. I'm
a hooper, so I'm all for you know, anybody that's hooping,
that's putting in that work, you know what I'm saying,
that's grinded all these years to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm happy that they're going to just do I think
the growth of the game is tremendous.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
You know the fact that we're talking about it and
seeing it on ESPN and all the highlights and and
and you know, we're doing a piece that I'm excited
about on Angel Rees and Kaith and Clark and just
their dynamic that they brought to the game and the
vehicle of new fans they brought. And you've heard kind
of some of the good and the bad that have
come with that. You know, Angel spoke out on just
the negativity and the racism that will come from some
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fans and kind of using them.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
But is that normal though, because you know, it seems
like that's normal in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I'm sure that you guys have been called a million
in one names.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
In a fight.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Utah, yeah, I just got in and then yeah that's
back when you still had the space between your teeth.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I had had a cardboard cut out under the goal
with me in a jail suit.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Oh no, it was funny. It was funn game. It
was funny too. We were all laughing.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah no, But I just I think the growth through
the game is tremendous. I think it's going to continue
to grow. It's got new eyeballs and new sponsorship and
new money, and you know, we just want to continue
to celebrate them. You know, I think it's been such
a you know, a hit or missed with that, but
just kind of understanding the lineage and where they are
after twenty eight years. You know, it's arguably ahead of
schedule over where the NBA was at year twenty eight.
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So again, I think the impact of these new young
stars have brought a lot more eyeballs and attention. I
hope they continue to carry it. You know, you got
Juju coming down the pipeline. Who's a monster, so Paige, Yeah,
So I think that league is going to continue to
grow and flourish and and give something a lot of
little girls, you know, something to look up to. You
got to see it to believe it, you know what
I mean. So you see that, you see Kamala wonder
for presidency. I mean, you know, young girls or you know,
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it's a great time to look up and see all
the greatness ahead of them.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Can Joab bounce back? Y'all had a great all the
smoke with job.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Morel Yeah, of course he can.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I mean that that was the whole thing when when
when it happened, I was saying, like people like you
can't make mistakes, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Like it happens.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Everybody makes mistakes, they just don't make him on a
level for everybody to see.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So he definitely could bounce back, and I think he will.
You know.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
I just think it's gonna take him to make some
decisions too about the people he's around, because I've.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Made the same mistake too that I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
We make those mistakes because you know, we feel, you know,
we gotta keep it real and all that at one point,
but you got to get to the point where you're
keeping it right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I think I think he's there now.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
They don't let kids fuk up no more like y'all
wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well. I just think too.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
You gotta think when we were sucking up coming up,
there wasn't cameras on us constant we could suck up.
I remember the stuff off I was doing in UCLA
probably would have never made the NBA if I had
cameras in my face. And then you know the early
days in Golden State where we're out every single night
drinking and smoking and every single city and fighting and
doing god knows what, there was no cameras, you know
what I mean. So as long as you could show
up and play the game the next day, there wasn't
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an issue. But now everywhere you move, whether you're filming
yourself or other people are filming you, there's cameras on you.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So you just got to be cognizant of that.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
That's funny because you would hear that. You'd hear like,
let you be like man, Matt Bums, be fucking people up.
You be like Matt Bones, like Matt Box.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
We used to get down a little bit. That was
it back in my early days.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
We appreciate you guys for joining us. Man another one.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
I did, but I forgot it. Oh oh, we were
talk about John. What's the biggest thing that you repeat
all the time to the young players when they call
y'all for like real life advice?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Me now is control your control your own narrative. That's
my thing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Because during your career, they can post certain things on
TV and then a lot of times the media for
the team will tell you not to reply.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I'll not give you the platform to reply to get
the to get what they're saying about you.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
Correct right, So now and they're in the position where
they have their phones, they have their social media. Use
the right way and control your own narrative. Whatever the
media try to say something about you, I try to
say you said something to the team or accounts or something.
You can clear it all up on your page, your
own social media so they can hear from the hawss's mouth.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So control your own.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Are I think that's important too. And then I got
fifteen year old sons that are coming down the pipeline,
and just for these young players to understand that their
brand's already like you are a walking brand as you speak.
And to refer back to the young ladies Kaitlyn Clark
and Andel Reese, they had bigger brands arguably than what
the WNBA was at the time they came into it,
you know what I mean. So understand your brand power.
And then what Jason, I'm not a businessman, I'm a
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business like understand that you're really a business.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Everywhere you move and you have to just you just
have to.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Unfortunate, like you said, there's no room to fuck up
because there's so many cameras on you. So just understand
every movie's make and everything you say can affect your brand.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
There was a speaking of your kids. You talk all
about your kid There was a video last year in
November that went viral of you and Derek Fisher coaching
the Twins together. That was a really that was like
I think the.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
World was like, oh wow, the world.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I was.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
I remember twenty before that, right, what was it like
getting to that point where now were on the court.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's important to do it, but what was that standing?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Me and Fish squashed that ship the summer after it happened,
like that shit happened at the beginning of one season,
and then the next summer once I found out he
was around, and then twins cared about him, Like, we
squashed it because it wasn't about my ex and ie
no more. It was about trying to raise these young men.
So Fish has been in the boys life for almost
half their life, you know what I mean. So we've
always been And I was real enough to sit down
and have a conversation with him, like, bro, I'm still playing,
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so you're gonna see my kids more than me. I
need you to teach them the ropes while I'm not around,
So to me, you know, once I got over and
once we talked about how I didn't agree with the
move and it could have went a different way, Like
it wasn't about saving that, it was about harvesting and
we got to raise two young black men. So I mean,
I think he's done a great job. I tipped my
hat to him all the time. I mean, he's their
second dad, and he you know, I coached him in
(41:58):
the summer during au and coaches them during high school.
So I mean when people see us, they still kind
of trip out.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But like we are. Our beef was for a season
that long for y'all.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's easy to squash beef when you win.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
To fight Jackson.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
We appreciate y'all. Y'all got some shoulds right show today?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Yeah, well yeah wherever this drops, yeah to uh uh Philly,
So Philly, Philly Night Night. So tonight is tonight in
New York the seventh in New York tonight, so they
may miss it, but tonight in New York, if you're
around Gramercy Theater, we got Larry, the one and only
Larry Johnson, my mom, and then uh yeah in Philly,
we're Wednesday Night with with a million dollars worth of
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game and and a really special guest coming through with them, man,
so where it.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
We're excuted to be honest, Jones, Davies, all of them
said they was pulling up, so I'm looking to see you.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
Is it gonna be a I and Philly?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You know we're gonna see what I saw.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Paul George, So Paul he couldn't come because yeah, we
scrammed with Yeah, Wenna, as long as we get him
up on the airplane, he'll be here.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
That's one of my favorite is probably my favorite.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
And he's different and for him to like, I don't
think people understand how passionate, how much he loves life
and how much he loves people, you know what I mean.
And we try to tell him all the time, bro,
like you gotta talk like people love you to death
and they just want to know how you are. They
want to know what you think. And so we're slowly
getting them to hopefully sitting down and having his.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Own thing one day.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Yeah, yo, play I played with doing so you know,
I'm just one of those guys, Like every time I
played against Chuck when he gets to the city, when
his boys are called me and I end up in
the club with him hanging out, you know, what I'm
saying from the city to city. He lost a friend
named Jamal a couple of years ago and that pass
from counseling me and it was real close. And during
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that time, you know, I stepped in, you know what
I'm saying, and tried to help him out a lot.
So we just became brothers doing the playing time. Yeah,
that was with him early and my big brother. You know,
I got traded with Chris Webber off to Philly early
in my early two thousands, and Chuck gave me a
car rote off the whip or off the rip and
told me if I needed So it was just like this.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Is Alan and Iverson. Just give you a car to
drive around because I just got it. It was like
one of the Mustangs when the Mustangs first came out,
the two door Mustangs. He'd let me push that thing
for a couple of months. Just whatever you need, bro,
just let me know.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm just like, damn had that Applebee's popping right now?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Man, No Friday Friday used to really be popping, bros.
We used to get off the plane at two thirty
in the morning. I wasn't playing, so I didn't give
a fuck. But he would have limos for us to
go to Atlantic City and go chill all night, you
know what I mean, have the penthouse to the lower
to thirteen, Like, how the fuck is all this free?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I learned later that you had.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
To give a little bit of money to the casino
to get all that for, you know, But Chuck was
he was just one of them rare dudes like you
said that that enjoyed life and then gave it his
absolute all.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
On that court.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
If people would see how he used to walk around
on off day, is are in practice with big old
elbows and hips are bruised up, and then as soon
as it you know, that popcorn starts popping about six
six thirty, a different light turns on and he becomes
an animal man.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So it was just hard to he do hard. That's
what people don't understand.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
You don't get people that caliber, that loves everybody in
that genuine way.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That's why. That's why it's kind of weird to people.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, that's right, salute the bubble check.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
That conversation is into all the Smoke Coffee table book,
which is out right now, all the stars, all the stories,
no apologies, go get it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
It's the Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
The Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Everybody is dej Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. We
are the Breakfast Club Justice on maternity leave you So,
Lonlosa is filling in, and we got some special guests
in the building. That's right, we got Matt Bondes and
Stephen Jackson.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How y'all feeling good, good, tired but good.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Good, collectively known as All the Smoke podcasts? Right Their
new coffee table book is out right now, All the Smoke.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, I always say, like, I know that there's
a lot of athletes who do podcasts and stuff. Now,
I don't know anybody before y'all. I feel like y'all
started that whole way. So to see y'all be the
first with a coffee table book, man, that makes so
much sense to me.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Man, it's been a blessed. It's been a journey. I mean,
our five year anniversary is tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
If you would have told me like five years later
we'd have a coffee table book, a whole production company
and people working underneath us, so how it would have
been like, you're full of shit? I didn't even know
what the podcast was at the time, So you know,
we're blessed to come together and find lightning in a
bottle and thankful for the opportunities and obviously being able
to partner with you and your your your company and
be able to get this done was dope.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
A lot of people don't know that. Bro. Fass out
to you. A lot of our success, you know, a
lot of stuff that we have going on.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
You brought our way and you thought about us, even
with black effects, So we appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
A lot of people don't know that. So we got
to give you a props to.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
All of my brothers, how did this come about? Through
this just for a podcast? Like I know y'all was
partner to go.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
I think I think Jack retired maybe one or two
years before me and we both got out and we're
doing ESPN and Fox and getting positive feedback and people
said we needed to do something together. And we were
at my house in the Bay one time smoking and
I'm just like, you want to do a podcast?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And he's like, sure, what is it? I was like,
I don't really know, but.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think we can drink and smoke because we were
working ESPN and Fox. You know, you got to kind
of walk that line. So it was just a little
bit more to our comfort zone. And he said, yeah,
So I started doing the homework and we landed here.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We landed the showtime, and you interviewed so many, so
many people. Who are some of your favorite people that
you guys have interviewed in the past.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
I mean, I'm a I'm a big hip hop guy,
and the comedy guys, so the comedians and the rap
artists like Lil Wayne. Having Kevin Hard on the show,
you know, been able to laugh at them. I think
Jamie Foxx we was home during COVID episode, man, I
think everybody needed that was so and we had the
comedians and the hip hop artist on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
That's always my favorite.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I just think, you know, being a like you guys
are trusted voice in the space is important.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, for us to start with j R.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Smith and end up with Kamala Harris and Kobe's last
interview and staff KD and Shaq and the list goes on,
you know, Will Smith, Jada, Jada, Pink and Smith. I
just think being a trusted voice in the space with
so many voices is you know something I prought myself.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
On I think athletes didn't have a safe space before
before y'all, especially in NBA players because we can't speak
the language y'all speaking. So it causes them to open
up in a different way.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
We were ee emotions on the sleeve and everything we've
been through in life is on the table for everybody
to see, and were willing to talk about it. So
I think when I guess see that it's easy for
them to open up too. Kamala was your most recent
we said joke.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Kim Noah after her, But yeah, Kamala was, yeah, a
big boy for us.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And how was that? I know you're a little reluctant
a little bit at first.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Oh no, you know that I called him and talked
to him about it. Me and Matt. We went at
it for a couple of days about it.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You don't want to do it at first.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Nah, because I really don't want to get in politics.
I don't I don't even want to be involved, and
a lot of people that support me don't get involved.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I look at it the same way I look at it,
but as a friend and as a brother to him.
You know, anything that that that he asks me to
do something. You know, nine or ten times, I'm lord
to a fault, you know what I'm saying, even if
it's something I don't want to do. But I know
it was beneficial for our company. I know it's benefit
and I see that after I did the interview. I
see now. I have a lot of women in my life.
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I have eight aunts, six daughters, you know, so I
would look to them after I did the interview. I'm
glad I did it now because they all look at
her and look up to her and inspire to be
great like her.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So I'm glad I did it.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
How did you guys prepare for her?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
A lot of studying, a lot of smoke in the
But I want to take it back before I get
to your question. You know, when he said he didn't
want it, first of all, I told him I was
a stack I've ever led you wrong in a business
decision or life, And he said no. But you know,
when he said he didn't want to get involved with
the politics, I told him, you know, I don't think
that was his choice because once he did that George
Floyd thing, he put his smack dab in the middle
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of the biggest leading one of the biggest protests this
world has ever seen. So a lot of things come
with that, a lot of good, a lot of bad,
but a lot of things come with that. And I
think that he implanted himself in the middle. And I
always respected, I mean, I always will respect his opinion.
But I just thought this could be an opportunity for
he has a very loyal following, and it could have
been a you know, it was. It was an opportunity
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for him to you know, get some stuff on his
chest or ask straight to the face, you know, asked
her to ask her straight to the face those questions.
So I'm glad he decided to come around. It took
him a minute, like literally, he let me tell you, bro,
until she came in the room. Jack wouldn't fucking with you.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So she came in the room, and then she took
us away from the group and and took us on
a walk throughout the house and started showing us these
this dope black.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Art and sculptures. And Jack was still tough, like, I
ain't with this.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
And then he saw this one piece of already liked
and she talked about it, and she had moved on,
and I kept falling, and he went and touched the
art and looked at it. I was like, oh, she
might be getting to him. And then he showed she
showed this dope ass chandelier. And then once she showed
the chandelier and explained it, and the jack started smiles like,
all right, she got him.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So we were straight.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So it took a minute.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Did she know that you didn't want to do it?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
She had a little bit, She had somebody to show
him how to hand her handed to her.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But how do we prepare?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I mean just I mean we prepared like we used
to play, like watch game films, so we study, you know,
we'd go back and do research and then we get
with our research team and find out the strategy. My
strategy with this interview was it wasn't a political interview.
It wasn't all the smoke interview. We happened to ask
a few political questions. We felt it was close to
our community, but at the end of the day, we
wanted to humanize her and get to know her a
little better. So just kind of figuring out what was
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that opening question to get her laughing and smiling, and
you know, found out the story about the blind date
with her now husband, Doug, And as soon as we
asked that, she started smiling from ear to ear, and
we knew that we kind of got her to open,
you know, put her guard down a little bit, and
it was it was a fun interview.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The biracial question and the question about the blended family
killed Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because like it
connected with her. She could there's no script for that. Now,
you know, you can't go to your talking points for that.
You got to be honest, you.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Got to be and that's what we wanted, you know,
Charlotte Mane. We've we've been lucky to humanize and make
our guests feel comfortable to really share their true opinions.
And and and biracial and step step parents we both are,
but biracial is something that I've you know, fought with
and dealt with really my entire career, and now that
this is at the forefront of her campaign, I just
thought it would be a great talking point.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And that's all telling Jack. So I'm like, yo, if not,
you didnt who because you know, if you got an
opinion about these elected officials and you've been expressing it,
expressed it to her.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
But I also think too. I mean, she could have
went to any podcasts. There's a ton, like you said,
there's a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I love the fact that she came in. I
said that the other day in the radio.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I was like, you know, she needs to do where
people are going, and sometimes these politicians go to places
where we don't necessarily go to, and I want to
see her do more stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Yeah, a little bit of conversations with her, like off
of the air, like were there things that y'all talked about?
Offer were you like to have?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I asked her.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
She know, because I knew that the the Vice President
House was probably stiff and white for at a lot
of years after she added her touch to it. And
that's when we got kind of started talking about the
art and stuff she's done to the house to kind
of put her put her energy around it. What else
we talked about, Actually, I feel like the last three
or four four minutes of the podcast, and I think
we caught some of it just it was a back
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and forth.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
You know, do you remember what we were talking about
the very end we was talking about what she asked
about Gianna, We talked about the war.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, being there you know we played, Yeah, we believe.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Did y'all smoke before y'all got there?
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I did, of course, I'm now, Yeah, it was too
presidential to be able to try to sneak it in
and get one off. And we was representing a lot
of people said we didn't want to get in trouble,
but yeah, definitely pregamed.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know, that was one of them smoke shower, you know, giower.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Like you still got after ras with the run Office.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Man I did. Man.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I said that at like early thirties, and you know,
I started shadowing Kevin Johnson, who was the current mayor
at the time. Then I worked with Daryl Steinberg a
little bit, and you know it, I said it at
fifty on forty four now, so we'll see. I mean,
you know, year by year I get more engaged and
learn more and try to understand the process. So if
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my business affairs are in order by the time I'm fifty,
I may you know, chase that down.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
What do you say to people who say that people
in sports shouldn't talk about stuff like politics like they should.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Just well, I just feel like we're affected by everything,
you know what I mean, just because we played a
certain sport. I mean, we're fathers, we're business owners. You know,
we're in the community, We're tied to everything. So I mean,
I respect people whether they want to be in it
or not. But you know, my whole thing with people
is kind of learned the process. So if you're going
to be mad at least you know what the fuck
you're mad at. You know a lot of people are
mad at lies and mad at misconceptions. So my whole
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thing is learned the process and understand the process and
how things the pecking order and the actual president, the
power that the president and the vice president don't really have,
you know, understanding Congress and the House and the Senate,
and then and then if you still want to be mad,
be mad. But I think just a lot of people
are are headline readers and they want to get mad
at bullshit. So to me, if you want to be mad,
like learn it and then find something to be mad at.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
For me, I think it's just really common sense what
we need and what we need to do. It ain't
rocket signed, So that's I'm not in the hope dealing,
you know what I'm saying. We all know what we need,
We all what we need to stop doing is and
to change to get America. You know, everybody have an
equality and we will act like everything else needs to
be done besides the common sense shit, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So that's why I don't want to be in politible.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
We have a surprise, you know because kind of like
the Breakfast Club, our clips live on and you always
see it, but I see the same thing with your clips.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
It could be something that y'all did four years ago.
Are you have a surprise?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
How long your clips go and how people recognize you
from the podcast and not from the playing days.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That goes back to, you know, the LAW fan base.
You know. That's that's why we do a lot of
stuff we do is for the fan.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
But we got a Law a long fan base that's
been rock with us since we've been playing, you know
what I mean. So to to see our stuff resurfacing
and we not the ones be posting it, that means
a lot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I mean, we're going in the right direction, definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You know, y'all had the last conversation with Kobe Bryant,
last interview with Kobe Bryant, and I always wondered was
that the last time either one of y'all actually.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Spoke to him.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
That was the first and last time I spoke to
him since we played against each other.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Wow, I know, mad, y'all had.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
A Yeah, we would see each a little bit more
because he was coaching Gigi and I was coaching the Twins.
So we had talked maybe one time after that, and
then he had sent some shoes literally the week I
think he passed on a Sunday. He sent shoes that
previous Monday to the Twins and their whole team, so
they had just got fresh Kobe. So we had spoken then. Obviously,
like I said, he sent some shoes the week of
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the actual past, so it was it was tough, man.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
What stands out from that conversation? I mean you have it,
y'all have it in the All the Smoke Coffee table book.
But what stands out from that competation just from that date?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
I think the pre conversation we went into his office
and how Adam and he was of.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
People the whole ride there though, yeah, oh yeah, we
just shipped on the ride right, the whole ride there
was like, got to put that out right. We never
put that out there. That was crazy. We had a
dope ride. We filmed and talked a lot of shit.
But I think with y'all three not just the anticipation
because we would have to go see him.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So we left from LA to Orange Candy, like an
hour and a half hour and a half drive depending
on when you drive.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Butted that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
One maybe too one, Yeah, yeah, yeah, not too much.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But we had a conversation in this office before we
actually got on camera, and he was really adamant about
this next twenty years then and for the world to
be prepared for what he was doing in business. He
was just finishing writing one of those children novels he
was working on, and he just like, fellas like, I
don't want people to remembory for my last twenty years.
I want them to memory for my next twenty years.
You know, you have the fun and had one Emmy's
and doing all kinds of stuff in the business space.
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And obviously really saw when I got to see him
coach Gigi and just he didn't always never showed a
ton of joy, but you can just tell he loved it.
I mean, he had these little girls running the triangle
offence would take some grown men a long time to learn.
He had these girls practicing four or five days a week,
three hours a day. Like the thing about COVID, he
didn't take nothing light when it came to basketball. So
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these were little young girls, but they were running the
Lakers offense to a t.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It was.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
He was like a drill sergeant with it. But you
could tell he loved it. You know, all those little
girls loved him and looked up to him, and just
the passion behind that was beautiful to see.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
For me, I think.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Seeing meeting him as a teenager and seeing him go
into the icon he was I just admired that. You know,
with so many, so many players and basketball players you
come across doing aau and traveling, you know, coming up
as a teenager, you see so many people that's supposed
to be great that don't live up to it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You know what I'm saying. He lived up to it
and exceeded it.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
So you know, just to be able to sit there
to talk to him after our careers, you know what
I mean, and go through the memories, you know what
I'm saying, then you know before he passed them in
everything to me.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It was Kobe, a Scooper or a Scooper or a score.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
He was definitely a hoopo. Okay, yeah, he was a
dog on both ends. Definitely a dog, not even close.
Probably the mask out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Who People got mad at you when you said that,
But I don't even play ball and understand.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What you were saying.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, because a lot of those people who got mad
are the ones I was talking to.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
People only get mad when they're guilty of it. You
know what I'm saying, I want to shoot fits.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
It's a lot of guys that were built and came
to the NBA where their job was just to score
that they compete on both fends.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
A lot of them didn't give that effort. And that's
just the facts.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I just seen the video again yesterday of you and
Kobe going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Well, I mean when you mentioned that, that was the
thing that came to my mind, Like, I coach kids
now and they become kids are coming to me to
AU tournament that weren't even born.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You did.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You did that to Kobe, But they didn't even see that.
The minutes before they.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Was Yeah, we was going at it, you know, and
it was funny. And last interview we talked, I was
ready to fight him.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You know, Kobe, let's stop you.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
From swinging on him, because he was elbow to your stomach.
He was pushing you. It got to the point where time.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Was like, if you gotta respect for certain people where
they won't do that either they know you know what
I'm saying, you'll go to that point. And it's some
people that you don't even know they'll go to point.
Then I'll knock you out. But Kobe, like, that's just competition.
It ain't it ain't personal.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
But it was personal that day though it looked like
because I mean, obviously we all know how great he was,
is just to play, but he was mentally too, so
like he said, all the elbow and ship that the
refs claim they don't see or or don't want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Like I was tired of that ship, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And I keep getting called foulst for retaliating, So I'm like,
fuck this man.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
That's how y'all got cool, he said. But he said,
if anybody crazy enough to mess with me like this,
I want him on my team.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
He called me that, so I was actually my deal
was up in Orlando, and this is when Bron and
Bosh were going to Miami. So I was talking to
Pat Riley and even d Wade on the phone one time,
and Pat was telling me about the lineups and the
championships we can win.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And I got a cold.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Call from a number I didn't even know and happened
to pick it up and it was him, and we
talked a little bit and I congratulated them about winning
and asked.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What I was doing.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He said, what you said, He's just like, you want
to be a Laker. I'm like, hell, yeah, like three
days Laker. I was.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Three days later, I was a Laker.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Wow, what do you think about the Lakers?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
We see Brownie played the last two games and people
are on Brownie's ass And that's.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
A beautiful I showed. We got in the car with
that's the dopest pitch. Yeah, when you're helping his dad up,
that's the dopest shit. Whoever hate die?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think if anyone deserves this opportunity
to play with his son, I think it's him, you
know what I mean. And the fact that that whole
thing was orchestrated for him to get to the Lakers
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And I was. I was.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
I had a moment this past summer because my twins
are fifteen now, so I take them and play against
grown men. And I remember one time me and the
twins were on the same team playing and we was hooping.
I'm just like, man, this is so dep I couldn't
imagine this on the highest level. So to me, I
want to give a five. I mean, the kid was
a fifty fifth pick. I mean the fifty fifth pick
doesn't even make it. So all these crazy expectations for
him earlier ridiculous, like allow him to develop, But you know,
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we don't live in a world where development is allowed,
especially on the highest level. So I think from a
father's son aspect, is incredible. But you know, the Lakers
are one of those teams where you got to produce
what have you done for me lately? And they haven't
necessarily done that. So it's going to be interesting, you know,
scrutinage year.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
I think we were talking about that earlier. Do you
think that Brownie will actually have the chance to develop?
But you feel like people going to pigeonhold him so
much that it might get you have.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Even more of a chance to develop because his father's death,
Like that's the motivation to have and he's seeing what
it takes to be great. So all that is in
him already, and now he's in the in the in
the facilities where you have everything here to be great.
I think, I think, yes, everything you need. And I
think he's definitely gonna blost mover.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And I also think too, I mean, I don't think
you look at Bronnie in the same light as you
look at lebron. I just think I think he's going
to be a very solid role player. I mean, he's
got a high high i Q place defense, can make
the right play, can shoot the ball. So I just
think he needed a little bit more time to develop,
and now he's developing on the biggest stage. But I think,
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you know, two three, four years, he's going to be
a very solid rotational player.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Does he starting a leg or do you think there's no?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think he should. To me, it's about playing. You know,
I play with JJ and I fuck with j J heavy.
I think he's you know, he's gonna be on the
hot seat. But I like his mentality. He's very he teaches,
he's he's a personable person. So for all the people
say no, that like the most important thing is getting
to play. You don't learn ship from sitting on the
bench and watching. So Bronni has to play. So whether
that's going to be eight to ten minutes in the
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real game or if it's going to play thirty minutes
on the G league level, I think he just needs
to play, and I think they'll figure that out.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
You can't simulate the NBA in the G League, though,
you got to play in the NBA. They understand the
NBA pacing game.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The D League is totally but you just have to
play though. Yeah, I mean it can get you ready,
but yeah, it's harder to be successful day.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
But to be successful and to make a name for
yourself in the NBA, you know what I'm saying, You
have to learn how to play that game.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, no doubt will be considered success.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But Brianni fifteen fourteen year career a long career, you
know in the NBA. I mean that would say we
not expect him to score fifty thousand points, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We expect him to be a star and possibly be
an All Star one day.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I got to ask, you know, since since we are
in New York. New York just made a trade that
sent Cat here.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What were your thoughts on that trade?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Wonderful?
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I know y'all happy, Yeah we got some. I love
Jordis rounder, but I take care of him any day,
you know. And Cat is way more durable. We lose
a shoot it though, you lose a shoot it, but
but he does way more than just shoot, can't he does?
And then and in the East too. I think a
big guy like that that can spread the floor on
this team. I think him and Be go at it
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to the next scrap one time.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's gonna be. You know, I'm adult. I like dogs.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
So obviously seeing Devincenzo and Julius Randall leave, you know,
kind of like you know what I mean, because I shot.
You know, they're they're trying to put something together.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
They put the whole.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Replace that, replace that man.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
On I'm not mistaken. He hit the most threes and
NIX history.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yes, it helps us out people.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, Now he's a very solid role player, definitely.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I definitely feel like now, so I think Cats really
going to help this team. If he's three level. Cat
not just to staying outside and shooting jumpers all day.
And I think this fan basic won't allow some of
the stuff he was doing in Minnesota where he would
settle a lot because he is so skilled and talented
and can score on all three levels, and there's a real,
real problem. But I think sometimes he settles. But I
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think he's coming into a situation that's not only good
for him, but you know, his fiance or his girl,
because you know, she's kind of into things too. So
being in this media market is going to be very
beneficial for him if he attacked it the right way.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I feel like, isn't this family from ye? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Yeah, man, I wish both sides good luck. I'm inested
to see too how Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall get along,
because that's two dogs right there, so to see how
the how their chemistry works.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
You know what I want to ask you about, Jack,
that the Malice in the Palace died, right, man, I
didn't realize how much that situation impacted y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You think you think about Yes, y'all could have want
to chip that.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
I think that was a year for us to win
the Chippy. If you look when lebro happened and we
probably had the second or best record in the league.
When it happened, and we was blowing everybody out, and
I think we all knew that that was Reggie's last hurrah,
you know, we want to win it for him. But
like I said, it wasn't the same I missed. I
missed with two or three All Star Games because of
that Jermaine. Jermaine was a shoe in Hall of Famer
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around their time to that happened. And Ron was possibly
the first you know, can win Defensive Player and Office
in MVP in the same year. So all those things
were working for us in that one incident killed everything.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And it didn't and it didn't bring It didn't seem
like it brought y'all together, not all of y'all.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
It didn't because everybody didn't do it for Law to
you know what I'm saying. Everybody went in that situation
for Law till some people was in it because they
was there, you know what I mean. I actually rolled
with my teammate for you know, for being a good teammate.
A lot of guys just in there doing stuff that
wasn't necessary, you know, and uh it cost us that season.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
How many times did that happen to you in your life?
Day were you just I don't give this my guy,
We're going at you. You you going to war, I'm
going to walk.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
I'm low to a fault, I'm long to a fault.
But you know what I'm saying. But like I could
sleep that way. You know what I'm saying, we go
somewhere right now. So I'm mightna be the first one
to jump out. That's just how I was taught, That's
how I was raised. But you know, as you get older,
you get smarter.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Is that one of the things that you you regret
that season, like how all of that played out?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah, I regret it because you know, I was a
consider myself a real good basketball player, and I missed
a lot of All Star games like accolades because of that.
You know, even when I had great seasons, that still
was a cloud over my over my great play.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And it hurt it Ron too and Jamaine. So it
definitely wasn't benefics for none of us.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Was it tough to do that, doc, Like just to
sit there and after we live all of it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, I mean it was the reason why I was.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It wasn't tough because it was grat gratifying for getting
some money for talking about it. You lost so much
for one punch, like, let me get some money back
for talking about it. You do more than one punch
what I threw two.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's it. I'm glad you said that right now.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
This is why I said I shouldn't have got fined.
When it all happened, I jumped up and went over
the stanch. I went six rolls up, didn't hit nobody,
got to run. A bear was thrown in his face
the second time, and that's the guy. When I turn around,
a guy was holding wrong punching him. I hit him.
I didn't. If I was just wanted to be stupid,
I could have hit everybody those six rolls up. But
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I went to protect him, so I wasn't really don't
know idiot stuff, you know what I'm saying. I was
just being a protector. But it just turned out to
look that way. So if you look at it, I didn't.
I could have hit a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I didn't. The man didn't get loose, as.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I wasn't been watching the evolution in marijuana in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I was beautiful.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I think I think we don't get enough credit for it,
you know, because to be able to play in the
NBA now and not get tested like you don't know.
We went through job and we were paying people and
all kind of drinking, all kind of stuff, justice and
do all kinds of stuff just to be able to smoke.
So now they can, you know, do it freely. I mean,
I know a lot of guys that might not talk
about it publicly, but I know they appreciate, you know,
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being able to smoke and and and relax after the
game the right way without taking all them pills and shit.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think, you know, when I retired in seventeen, that
was one of my main focuses being the shield for
the current guys. And you know, myself and my brother
Herring team were flying out here to New York to
talk to the players Sociation in the league and just
understanding the plant, study the plant until they both got
you know, people on both sides to start studying it.
And from what I heard that the NBA was really
against it, still the PA was more for it, and
they had to come to a common ground and they
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ended up doing that, you know obviously in the bubble
when you know, with the COVID hit and they gave
the players time off and then they brought everyone back
to the bubble. If they would have tested that, probably
eighty five percent of the league would have failed because
guys were off, didn't know if the season was going
to come out, and the majority of the guys you know, medicated,
So you know, I think there was a very smart
move for them to co and bypass it there and
then after that it was gone.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So I think I say all that to say it's
it was.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
It was tough smoke in our entire career because it
was you know, every time we did it, we were
risking fines or suspensions. So it was a real job
to smoke in the league. And now, like Jack said,
just to be able to freely do it, to relax,
go to lead, focused, anti inflammatory, all the properties for it.
I think it's I'm happy for those guys, but.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
You are trying to have the conversations then though, like, yo,
this is what this is what's helping us, right, Yeah, he.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Did the conversations needed to happen, But I think my
conversation when I started talking was after the fact because
it was just so like they didn't want to hear
that shit, you know what I mean. It just it
was something you couldn't do, you know what I mean.
So I think as as the world progressed and we
started getting you know, research behind the positives instead of
just the negatives, I think that's when the game started
to change.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Could you physically play high? Cause I'd be reading these
stories about Michael and might they used to be drinking.
But why then going to drop.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Fifty before I play or not? I just smoke exactly
before the game.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But that day early in the morning, probably, yeah, I
probably did, but not going to the game. I didn't
came down, but like going to the game fresh off
one absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Not in the NBA, you getting cooked. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I know a couple of dudes that that that smoked
driving into the gym. We won't say them names, but
they was different. So I mean, I could smoke, you
know a few hours before, but I wouldn't smoke on
the way to the game one because I didn't want
to smell like it around everybody. But too, it's just like,
depending on what you're smoking, you're putting yourself out out
there in the atmosphere sometimes.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
So I was geeked up in the Western Conference finals
though light Yeah, I guess Dallas, I was geeked up.
We smoked before the game. I smoked right after shoot around,
like three hours for the game, and I didn't go
to sleep, So I was just geeked up doing the game.
Like certain times you don't take that nap you loaded,
and I did in the West Conference final because I
was from texts.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I was just feeling good at the time and went
to work. What worked for me?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
What was the process of putting this book together? Like,
how did y'all choose which conversations to put.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
In the shutdaling?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, obviously, yeah, you and the company, and then dealing
just understanding you know, where we the caliber of guests
we had, and the different topics we spoke on. You know, again,
there's a ton of people in this space now as
far as sports, but I don't look as it as competition.
I think everyone had their own journey and their own
voice and their own experiences, and I think we still
think with all the conversations we had, our conversation is
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still different from everybody else's so just important, you know, family,
mental health, you know, everything that comes along in this journey.
And and you know, we've been able to transition from
not just a sports show to just kind of a
more of a culturally relevant show, you know, where we're
talking to the Kevin's and the Wills and the Jada's
and the Jamis and and the VP. So I just think,
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you know, high level conversations with high level people, and
you know, being able to be celebrated with that. I mean,
if I'm not mistaken with the first podcast with the
coffee table book man, so I think it's it's it's
a tremendous opportunity. We're very thankful for it and and
hope that everyone checks it out.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I named a couple of names. Don't you tell me
what your thought of the interview is? Don Staley, Uh, well,
a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
That's when I've been with my favor my favorite female
player of all time, my rookie year I wore twenty
four because of Don State.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
People don't know that.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Yeah, and when I was in New Jersey, so it
was a honor to me to baby talk to her.
You know, I never met in person, so I can't
wait to actually take a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But somebody I have mine for a long time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
That's different, Like, what what about her? You know, I've
never heard of guyfeeld woman basketball playing something like that,
Like what about her influenced well, her.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Whole swag, Like she she he had their rough park
basketball style and she was one of the first females
to bring it like AI.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, she woke back a short how she did
it her way. She talked to talk, walk.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
To walk, and you didn't see that from a woman
in basketball growing up. And then she was at a
school that was the female school, that was always on TV.
The basketball game was always on TV. So that's what
we say. So that's what I've seen a lot or.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Not same, I mean, just being a fan of her
game and then how she's been able to transition and
be a leader of young women and women. I'm always
a big fan of that. So, you know, being able
to get to talk to her and to me honestly,
and I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way.
Like we're fans of a majority of the people we
talked to, and getting a chance to get that in depth,
you know, to be able to peel back the layers
and understand who they are as a person and how
their upbringing brought them to be the people they are.
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I mean, that's always the joy and the journey of
these conversations.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
For me, about the Jamie Foxx convo that happened during a.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Cool Yeah, we laughed so hard before we even got
on air. Bro it was incredible. He was funny as hell.
Jamie's great. I mean to me, Jamie's one of the
most talented people this planet's ever seen. This versatility across
several different front it is amazing on top of him
just being a really good dude man.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So that was. That was a dope conversation.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
You have a lot of comedians that's funny when they're
doing their work.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
A lot of them. Some of them ain't naturally fun
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Jamis is naturally Like I said, like forty five minutes
before we returned the camera on Racking, he was in
wrath form like he was excited to be on the
show as well. So that was that was one of
the best ones.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, Jack, you you've dealt with a lot of
grief over the last few years. Of course, George Floyd,
your brother, sister, how have you been dealing with that
that level of grief?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Support system these guys, you know my mom and sister.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh, it's been hard, but you know it's a part
of life. Bro.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Too much is given much as required. You know, we
all go we all. I'm not going through nothing that halfy, y'all.
I haven't been through. But it gets to a point
where when it's somebody like his sister and brother, like
that's different. You know what I'm saying, Like that's that
that's different. So I haven't been the same, but it's
the day by day process. Absolutely, thanks fasking.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
How did how did you guys know it was trying
to you talk a lot about transition, that it was
time to transition in and like lean into like okay,
the podcast, the merch like just the business side of things,
Like was that a switch? It probably was planning, But
when did you know, like, okay, it's tring to jump
the fence now.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
The reason why I left the NBA the first year
of a three year deal, I happened to win a
championship with Golden State and I wouldn't get against I
wasn't getting a chance to my kids, you know what
I mean. So you know, it was kind of a
perfect storm when we won a championship and I was
ready to move. So I was just kind of excited.
And I think sometimes how why athletes have a hard
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time transitioning because they don't get to leave on their
own accord. Most of the time it's injuries or a
reputation or just teams don't want to fuck with you
no more. But you know, I was someone that just
you know, I was in the midst of a contract
and I'm just like, man, you know, this is the
blessing we won. I'm missing so much time with my sons,
my father first, so you know that was my transitioning reason.
(29:55):
And then once I transition, I'm like, damn, what's next.
You know, I had invested well and you know, had
some things move, but I knew I was still needed
to find something to do. And you know, media came
knocking for both.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Of us, and you know, we kind of ran with it.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
So, I mean, Jack is the kind of guy that
you know, he trusts very few, so if you're in
this trust circle, he's going to listen to you. And
when I pitched them idea, he trusted me to run
with it and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And you know that's what I was able to do.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I feel like even with sports networks, y'all, was before
y'all time on that too. It seemed like when y'all
was on it, they didn't want y'all to talk so freely,
especially you Jack. They didn't want you. It seems like
everybody could talk freely, No, but it seemed like they
didn't want you to.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
We did it anyway, you know, we did it anyway.
You know, I'm you know, shout out to Wolves. But
I remember I was the first one to correct him
on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like people like,
damn he correct the roads. Yeah, because I got Jimmy
Butler right on speed y'all making stuff up. So like
we just being who we naturally are, you know what
I mean. And I think that's what kind of took
over when we was on TV and we did these shows.
You know, not too many basketball players come up he
(30:57):
and speak like that, and we was just being our
naturally self. He wasn't acting on put know, you know,
on camera then going out being somebody else.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
We the same person on and off camera.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
And I think too a big thing was you know
Stephen A. Smith and whether you hate him a love him,
I like Stephen A. Smith and he's been instrumental in
kind of my journey. We talked often, but he was
really big on stay off the weed and used to
say that shit all the time until I called him
on it and he listened to me. You know, I
called him out on social media after I seeing it
one too many times, and then I'm on first take,
you know, at right at the docks talking about weed
(31:26):
on ESPN like no one had ever done that before,
no athlete had ever done that before. So I think,
to Jack's point, it's just you know, having real conversations,
and I think people are always going to respect that.
And I remember a ton of times, and you know,
I was working for a Fox and ESPN at the time,
where you know there's certain well this is the topic,
you know, do you want to say this? I'm like, nah,
I don't want to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I wouldn't say that. I don't talk like that. This
is how I'm going to say it, you know what
I mean. So, I mean, obviously I enjoyed my time
at both networks and it kept my name fresh and
it allowed other opportunities to happen. But you know, it's
it's a little different walking on that side of media
than it is on the media side that we landed.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
On any of those networks getting it right, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So, I think, you know, small production is getting it right. Yeah,
I think, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
I think there will always be those big engines, but
I don't necessarily think you need them anymore. You know
what I mean that the digital switch is on, the
athlete driven content is on, and entertainment jet like everyone
is experts that are now talking about it. Before there
was other people always talking about what they saw, whether
it be critics and music, television, film, or sports. But
now you actually have the people talking about it. So again,
(32:31):
I think there will always be the big Espns and
Foxes and all that kind of stuff, but you don't
necessarily need it anymore to get your point across, to
have a platform or to go viral.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I want to ask some basketball questions for y'all. Get
about of play Thompson. What you think about him leaving
the Warriors and you think it was time for him
to go?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I think it's a breath of fresh at for him.
I mean, some guys need that doing their career. You
know what I mean. You've played a service bop for
so long it's a bad feeling the body I ain't
won last couple of years, So a lot of times
they're going to try to find somebody to blame it on,
and it fell on Clay, you know what I'm saying,
which which is unfortunate because he's the reason why they
have a big part why to have all those championships
(33:07):
over there. But this is how this is how professional
sports goes. Yeah, this is how it goes. And I
think it's great for him because he's landed in the
spot where he can do what he do best with
tour the best one on one players ever and Kyrie
and Luca.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
He could spot up and shoot jumpers.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
So I think I think it's a great, great situation
for him because I've been in a situation where I
was somewhere and I needed to go to a different
team to be to flourish and be a better player.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
When I came to Golden State, So that's kind of
the same for him.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Clay is a hooper hooper yeah, oh yeah, he played
on both ends.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
D Rose retired.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh man, hurt my soul. Where's the fair World Tour?
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Where's the where's the He deserves all that for me,
you know what I'm saying he's one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Bro I think too.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
I mean, obviously as great as we saw, you know,
the injury slowed him down, But everything we're hearing from
is he as great as a player was, he's a
better person and you know that's always something that that's
important to us. Definitely looking forward up sitting down with
him one day. But I just think his impact on
the game, how pure.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And and and and.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And real he was, will you know, definitely be noted,
but you know, one of the greatest. I hate to
say what because obviously he gave us a lot while
he was here, was the youngest MVP of all time.
But I couldn't imagine seeing him be able to stay
who he was and get older and how much his
game would have grown and developed.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think we missed out on something really special.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
He never did gun.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, don't.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
But what touches to his character that I'm ad my
how he got his wife and his kids mother to
get along and coparing, how they do it like they
are mascots for that because they do it the right way.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
So sim for that. Who he's what?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Is he a hoop boy?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Score d Rose?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Good question? The Rose a hoop. I didn't see a
lot of Chase down blocks. He competes on both. He's
a hoops.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Who's the face of the league when leaves, who's in?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And Steph Leeves?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Who's the next face of the league? I should say?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I think I think it might be by committee. I
think Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Is gonna be one face like Bron.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I think it'd be by committee. I think it'll be
I think it could be a little bit of Jason Tatum.
I think it could be some Luca. I think it
could be some Shay Gil, just.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Alexander Job if you get his mind right.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Victor women Yama, I think there's a lot of I
think the league is in a great place as far
as just young talent, you know, like we haven't seen
in a long time. But it's it's funny you said that,
because I wish people would just appreciate the journey more.
We're coming to the end of Bron and Steph and
Katie and what they've done and what they've meant for
this game, and still all the criticism and hate they
get it is just crazy. I mean, because one day
(35:33):
they're going to be here, but they're not going to
be in the game anymore, and people can be like, damn,
I miss them, and instead they're too busy trying to
criticize and talk shit about Bronnie and Katie's this and
stephf can't do that instead of just kind of enjoying
what they've been able to, you know, to bless the
world with w NBA.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
What are your thoughts this year? What a new excitement,
new life.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Sometimes I ain't go fron it feels better than the
NBA is it's what's your thoughts on WNBA?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Can I'm talking to?
Speaker 6 (35:59):
The women's game is pure, man, you know what I'm saying.
They all played the right way. You know, it's refreshing
to watch. It's good to see them start to get
their money and get the attention that they deserve. I'm
a hooper, so I'm all for you know, anybody that's hooping,
that's putting in that work, you know what I'm saying,
that's grinded all these years to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm happy that they're going to just do I think
the growth of the game is tremendous.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
You know the fact that we're talking about it and
seeing it on ESPN and all the highlights and and
and you know, we're doing a piece that I'm excited
about on Angel Rees and Kaith and Clark and just
their dynamic that they brought to the game and the
vehicle of new fans they brought. And you've heard kind
of some of the good and the bad that have
come with that. You know, Angel spoke out on just
the negativity and the racism that will come from some
(36:43):
fans and kind of using them.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
But is that normal though, because you know, it seems
like that's normal in the league.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I'm sure that you guys have been called a million
in one names.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
In a fight.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Utah, yeah, I just got in and then yeah that's
back when you still had the space between your teeth.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I had had a cardboard cut out under the goal
with me in a jail suit.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Oh no, it was funny. It was funn game. It
was funny too. We were all laughing.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah no, But I just I think the growth through
the game is tremendous. I think it's going to continue
to grow. It's got new eyeballs and new sponsorship and
new money, and you know, we just want to continue
to celebrate them. You know, I think it's been such
a you know, a hit or missed with that, but
just kind of understanding the lineage and where they are
after twenty eight years. You know, it's arguably ahead of
schedule over where the NBA was at year twenty eight.
(37:37):
So again, I think the impact of these new young
stars have brought a lot more eyeballs and attention. I
hope they continue to carry it. You know, you got
Juju coming down the pipeline. Who's a monster, so Paige, Yeah,
So I think that league is going to continue to
grow and flourish and and give something a lot of
little girls, you know, something to look up to. You
got to see it to believe it, you know what
I mean. So you see that, you see Kamala wonder
for presidency. I mean, you know, young girls or you know,
(38:00):
it's a great time to look up and see all
the greatness ahead of them.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Can Joab bounce back? Y'all had a great all the
smoke with job.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Morel Yeah, of course he can.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I mean that that was the whole thing when when
when it happened, I was saying, like people like you
can't make mistakes, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Like it happens.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Everybody makes mistakes, they just don't make him on a
level for everybody to see.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
So he definitely could bounce back, and I think he will.
You know.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
I just think it's gonna take him to make some
decisions too about the people he's around, because I've.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Made the same mistake too that I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
We make those mistakes because you know, we feel, you know,
we gotta keep it real and all that at one point,
but you got to get to the point where you're
keeping it right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I think I think he's there now.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
They don't let kids fuk up no more like y'all
wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well. I just think too.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
You gotta think when we were sucking up coming up,
there wasn't cameras on us constant we could suck up.
I remember the stuff off I was doing in UCLA
probably would have never made the NBA if I had
cameras in my face. And then you know the early
days in Golden State where we're out every single night
drinking and smoking and every single city and fighting and
doing god knows what, there was no cameras, you know
what I mean. So as long as you could show
up and play the game the next day, there wasn't
(39:06):
an issue. But now everywhere you move, whether you're filming
yourself or other people are filming you, there's cameras on you.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
So you just got to be cognizant of that.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
That's funny because you would hear that. You'd hear like,
let you be like man, Matt Bums, be fucking people up.
You be like Matt Bones, like Matt Box.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
We used to get down a little bit. That was
it back in my early days.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
We appreciate you guys for joining us. Man another one.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
I did, but I forgot it. Oh oh, we were
talk about John. What's the biggest thing that you repeat
all the time to the young players when they call
y'all for like real life advice?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Me now is control your control your own narrative. That's
my thing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Because during your career, they can post certain things on
TV and then a lot of times the media for
the team will tell you not to reply.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I'll not give you the platform to reply to get
the to get what they're saying about you.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
Correct right, So now and they're in the position where
they have their phones, they have their social media. Use
the right way and control your own narrative. Whatever the
media try to say something about you, I try to
say you said something to the team or accounts or something.
You can clear it all up on your page, your
own social media so they can hear from the hawss's mouth.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So control your own.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
Are I think that's important too. And then I got
fifteen year old sons that are coming down the pipeline,
and just for these young players to understand that their
brand's already like you are a walking brand as you speak.
And to refer back to the young ladies Kaitlyn Clark
and Andel Reese, they had bigger brands arguably than what
the WNBA was at the time they came into it,
you know what I mean. So understand your brand power.
And then what Jason, I'm not a businessman, I'm a
(40:35):
business like understand that you're really a business.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Everywhere you move and you have to just you just
have to.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Unfortunate, like you said, there's no room to fuck up
because there's so many cameras on you. So just understand
every movie's make and everything you say can affect your brand.
Speaker 7 (40:50):
There was a speaking of your kids. You talk all
about your kid There was a video last year in
November that went viral of you and Derek Fisher coaching
the Twins together. That was a really that was like
I think the.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
World was like, oh wow, the world.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I was.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
I remember twenty before that, right, what was it like
getting to that point where now were on the court.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's important to do it, but what was that standing?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Me and Fish squashed that ship the summer after it happened,
like that shit happened at the beginning of one season,
and then the next summer once I found out he
was around, and then twins cared about him, Like, we
squashed it because it wasn't about my ex and ie
no more. It was about trying to raise these young men.
So Fish has been in the boys life for almost
half their life, you know what I mean. So we've
always been And I was real enough to sit down
and have a conversation with him, like, bro, I'm still playing,
(41:38):
so you're gonna see my kids more than me. I
need you to teach them the ropes while I'm not around,
So to me, you know, once I got over and
once we talked about how I didn't agree with the
move and it could have went a different way, Like
it wasn't about saving that, it was about harvesting and
we got to raise two young black men. So I mean,
I think he's done a great job. I tipped my
hat to him all the time. I mean, he's their
second dad, and he you know, I coached him in
(41:58):
the summer during au and coaches them during high school.
So I mean when people see us, they still kind
of trip out.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But like we are. Our beef was for a season
that long for y'all.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's easy to squash beef when you win.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
To fight Jackson.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
We appreciate y'all. Y'all got some shoulds right show today?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Yeah, well yeah wherever this drops, yeah to uh uh Philly,
So Philly, Philly Night Night. So tonight is tonight in
New York the seventh in New York tonight, so they
may miss it, but tonight in New York, if you're
around Gramercy Theater, we got Larry, the one and only
Larry Johnson, my mom, and then uh yeah in Philly,
we're Wednesday Night with with a million dollars worth of
(42:46):
game and and a really special guest coming through with them, man,
so where it.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
We're excuted to be honest, Jones, Davies, all of them
said they was pulling up, so I'm looking to see you.
Speaker 7 (42:54):
Is it gonna be a I and Philly?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You know we're gonna see what I saw.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
Paul George, So Paul he couldn't come because yeah, we
scrammed with Yeah, Wenna, as long as we get him
up on the airplane, he'll be here.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
That's one of my favorite is probably my favorite.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
And he's different and for him to like, I don't
think people understand how passionate, how much he loves life
and how much he loves people, you know what I mean.
And we try to tell him all the time, bro,
like you gotta talk like people love you to death
and they just want to know how you are. They
want to know what you think. And so we're slowly
getting them to hopefully sitting down and having his.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Own thing one day.
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Yeah, yo, play I played with doing so you know,
I'm just one of those guys, Like every time I
played against Chuck when he gets to the city, when
his boys are called me and I end up in
the club with him hanging out, you know, what I'm
saying from the city to city. He lost a friend
named Jamal a couple of years ago and that pass
from counseling me and it was real close. And during
(44:00):
that time, you know, I stepped in, you know what
I'm saying, and tried to help him out a lot.
So we just became brothers doing the playing time. Yeah,
that was with him early and my big brother. You know,
I got traded with Chris Webber off to Philly early
in my early two thousands, and Chuck gave me a
car rote off the whip or off the rip and
told me if I needed So it was just like this.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Is Alan and Iverson. Just give you a car to
drive around because I just got it. It was like
one of the Mustangs when the Mustangs first came out,
the two door Mustangs. He'd let me push that thing
for a couple of months. Just whatever you need, bro,
just let me know.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm just like, damn had that Applebee's popping right now?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Man, No Friday Friday used to really be popping, bros.
We used to get off the plane at two thirty
in the morning. I wasn't playing, so I didn't give
a fuck. But he would have limos for us to
go to Atlantic City and go chill all night, you
know what I mean, have the penthouse to the lower
to thirteen, Like, how the fuck is all this free?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I learned later that you had.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
To give a little bit of money to the casino
to get all that for, you know, But Chuck was
he was just one of them rare dudes like you
said that that enjoyed life and then gave it his
absolute all.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
On that court.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
If people would see how he used to walk around
on off day, is are in practice with big old
elbows and hips are bruised up, and then as soon
as it you know, that popcorn starts popping about six
six thirty, a different light turns on and he becomes
an animal man.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So it was just hard to he do hard. That's
what people don't understand.
Speaker 6 (45:12):
You don't get people that caliber, that loves everybody in
that genuine way.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
That's why. That's why it's kind of weird to people.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah, that's right, salute the bubble check.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
That conversation is into all the Smoke Coffee table book,
which is out right now, all the stars, all the stories,
no apologies, go get it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
It's the Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that ass up
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