INTERVIEW: Monaleo and Stunna 4 Vegas On Breaking Generational Curses, Getting Married, Trauma, DaBaby + More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day Up the Breakfast Club, y'all done.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's the World More Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club,
Charlamade and the God just Hilarious. DJ Envy Envy had
to step out, but ll Cool Bay Lauren Lorosa is
here and we got some special guests. Man, Big Stunning
for Vegas, Big Monola. What's happening?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
How y'all feeling? But I love your music.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
By the way, I can't pronounce the title of it either.
I call it you Ain't Black, but I did study
what it was though. Solarian is a I say, I'm
saying solon.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So it's a new way to describe Black America, Black
America exactly. So it's like an interpretation of like black culture,
black history, and it relates to like descending slaves specifically.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I love.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
So that's what the.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Term I want to take. Congratulations on the wedding, the
tie in, the not the baby, the family, everything. Congratulations King,
I appreciate that. Yeah, and congratulations you too, beautiful all
pink wedding. Ye, you agreed to it? Huh yeah, you
said man, happy white, happy life.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
You didn't suggest agreed to it?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Okay, So that's obviously a favorite color. It's always extent
sent and all your videos, I've seen everything.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
The only color that I wear.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Okay, how did you get him.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
To tell him? I was like, we can compromise if
you want.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
To do what you have to do all that you
feel me. I was with it right right, you have
to do all that you.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Just love but you you love us so much like
I just give her.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
But I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
What made you finally want to want to settle down? Sir?

Speaker 6 (01:50):
We're being settled down there just like we put it
on the internet just last month, being together like four
years for sure. My first year of meeting her though,
it was like kind of just taking a break, falling
back from like the or whatever anything I was going through.
She probably not, Probably she like helped me get through

(02:11):
whatever everything like a homeboy would, yeah experience that from
no female.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You knew she was the one immediately, Like yeah, like
you like God told you, like, man, lock this one down.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
And that black woman behind you, I know that's.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
How did you know he was the one?

Speaker 6 (02:30):
Yeah? He was just already.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
That didn't That didn't mean that I knew he was
the one when I'm I just felt like he was
very he was just as intentional as I was, and
I really appreciated that, and he took good care of
me the same way I wanted to take care of him.
So I feel like we were on the same page
at the same time.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
What was the beauty of keeping everything off the end?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Like what did it was.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
On the internet. It's just like they chose to bite
down when they did. We've been popping out though, Yeah,
we've been.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
But it's because just protecting our something that's personal to us.
It's something that we care about and we love. So
it was like protecting our relationship was super important. But
we both have supporters that have been with us on
our journeys, so it was important to include them in
these pivotal moments in our life, like the wedding. I
feel like that was a no brainer. Like so many

(03:29):
people support us and love us and have been rooting
for our union, so it was important for us to
invite them virtually to the wedding.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
You had us crying, girl when you posted the moment
with your dad. I was like, I literally was like,
oh my God. And you talked about him going through
his cancer battle and getting to see you married, and
like wow, like that was really emotional for me. So
just speak to like kind of you know you because
my mom is a stage four cancer survivor and one
of the things that she's always asked me, it's.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
All, why did you ask me that question?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Hard thing is now is like she's like, I've been
sick before. I want to see you be able to
do things. I don't know if I'll be able to
be here tomorrow. So when you posted that, I was like, dang,
like time is of the essence, Like it made me
start thinking like, wow, I want my mom to be
able to see me get married and have kids. And
you know, like it's I don't think people understand the
cancer battle, how scared it gets.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Your mom will see you be successful before she sees
you get.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
When I when I when I saw your posts and
I read the caption, it just really made me think
because you know, when you know, parents are always trying.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
To be like superheroes always.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah, so even through my mom's cancer battle, she was like,
it's going to be fine. Just make sure you get
some grand babies here because I want to see my grandbabies.
When I read that, I'm like, oh, like this is serious,
like I gotta figure this out, so serious. It was
such an important moment for me to share with my dad,
and so I'm so glad you brought that up at
the top of the interview because I can't wait for

(05:03):
him to hear this. But even during his cancer battle,
he was very secretive.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
He was private. He didn't tell anybody for six months. Obviously,
I feel like me being kind of tapped in spiritually,
I felt like something was going on with him, but
he never had explicitly told me that he was battling cancer.
I just saw him deteriorating in a sense, like he
was getting smaller and it's his hair was going and
I was just like, Dad, what's going on with you? Like,

(05:28):
and he was distancing himself from me, wouldn't even him
no more. My son when't and my son loves my dad,
but he was he didn't. Every time my dad picked
him up, he would be crying, and I was just like, Dad,
something's going on. And I just kind of pressured him
a little bit and I was like, tell me what's
wrong or else. And he showed me his scans and

(05:51):
I could see he had it real zoomed in so
that I couldn't see that it said hoskins and foma.
But when I took his phone and I literally took
off running down the street, and I assumed and I
started to say hoskins and foam, and I'll just bust
out crying because it was such Anymore, I've never seen
my dad cough, sneeze me, either, have a cold, none
of the things. So to know that he was that

(06:11):
he was battling cancer without my full support really touched me.
And it really really really hurt me. But thankfully he's
beat cancer.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
God.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Afterwards, he I guess the chemotherapy had done a number
on his heart, so he was he had heart failure
and he had to have a triple bypass surgery. That
he also wasn't clear about either. One thing about my dad,
he is truly superman like. He doesn't want to He
doesn't want people worried about him, even if it's something
that I should be concerned about. He doesn't want us
to be worried about him. So when I found out

(06:45):
what he was battling, I was so emotional and I
was so all over the place. So and I kind
of put, if I'm being candidate, put it made me
want to expedite this the process for everything, because I realized, like,
I don't know what I was waiting on. I think
it was I was feeling the pressures from society, and
I'm like, maybe I'm too young to be doing this,

(07:05):
and you know, you think about all these things in
your mind, and then that kind of really snapped me
back to reality and it made me live for myself
and for my family, for my village, for my community.
So it kind of made me want to expedite the
wedding process. And we did it.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And to my dad, walking on the as be there, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, walk me down the aisle was a dream.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, why do you Why do y'all think the adults, Oh,
the adults feel like keeping that from the kids is
the right thing to do.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Like why fight a battle like that alone?

Speaker 5 (07:41):
What's scary?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
It's like a nightmare. Yeah. I don't think he knew.
I think he wanted to keep hope. But he was
diagnosed as stay straight, stay straight for it, so he
I think he he was optimistic, but I truly think
he didn't know. And I think he wanted me to,
you know, focus on my tour and my career. He

(08:07):
didn't want me to leave and abandon what I was
doing because he knew I would have done that. Nothing
more important than me than my family.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
You have a song on your mixtape, Diary of an
og and when even that song too, I was thinking
about this. You're the oldest, the oldest girl, yes, and
you talk about the responsibility of being the oldest girl
in your family and not being able to think about yourself,
and that made me think about your relationship with your
dad and everything you went through as well while having
a career. Because another thing too, I think why like

(08:34):
the older people hide it is because they know drop
of a dime, you're not on tour no more, You're
not dropping songs, not doing nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Yeah, I'm not complying with anything career related. I would
have dropped everything to be at his side every single day,
every chemotherapy appointment. I would have been cooking his meals
every day. So to a degree, I'm grateful that he
was selfless in those moments and allowed me to continue
following what it is that I'm passionate about because he

(09:02):
knows I wouldn't have I wouldn't have pursued it. I
wouldn't even be here. I would have taken a complete
I wouldn't have recorded any music videos, photo shoot, nothing
would have mattered to me other than making sure that
he was okay. So I think now that time has passed,
I feel like maybe he did make the right decision
and this shit. I was upset because I was like, Dad,
I want to be there for you. This is a

(09:23):
really scary time in your life. And he didn't tell anybody,
not my siblings, not his mom. He didn't tell anybody
other than his wife, so it was just them too,
and she had just lost her mom, so it was
really difficult for them to manage at the time. So
I'm so and I'm glad Charlamagne that you talk about
therapy as much as you do, because he's in therapy
now and we're getting back to a place of trusting

(09:47):
each other and loving each other and supporting each other.
And I feel like the wedding was just a way
to extend olive branches to everybody in our village, in
our community. So I'm glad that he was there.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's incredible how God works, because you know that once situation,
which could be deemed as negative, let to all of
this positive. You know, it said it means you put
your gas press the gas on your career and made
y'all get married.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
And I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
When I look at y'all, man, forget to look when
I'm sitting next to y'all, I can feel it.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, family like y'all.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, y'all are a unit. Like it's something like y'all
are supposed to be together. Like even looking at Stunt,
I'm like, I think a Proverbs eighteen twenty two man,
when a man find a good wife, man, you know
he gained a different favor from the lord. Like I
even see something different in your spirit.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Oh yeah, I do too. Already know though, because I'm like,
I'm like deeply involved to like how she is spiritually,
So I already know.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
And when we saw you get emotional, right, what were
your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (10:38):
I was like, yeah, I was like looking at gangsters
in the crowd crying you feel me. I was looking
at my mama, my dad that I just met, feel me,
her grandma because even her family and me alone, like
after the wedding, it's like both of our family's family now,
but like before it was, I was already like this

(11:00):
with her dad, Grandma, Grandpa, great grandpa all of so
I was just like getting ready for her to walk out.
You feel me, And that's what it was like, because
I was crying before she walked out, but when she did,
I was just like, damn, it's like I've been through
a lot of stuff. You feel me, And I don't
like get on the internet to public make it public.

(11:25):
I don't. I don't. I don't really do nothing but
deal with it. You feel me on my own too,
So it was just like all that was just like, man,
all that ship out the window, now, like this is
what I'm walking into. When she was walking down, it
was just like I'll let everything go that she wants
me to let go, stuff that I'll be mad about
one month and be fine with it the next. Like

(11:46):
I just let it go because it's all that mattered.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
You said your father had just met Yeah, my.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
Dad on Father's Day was no cap, no cap. I
met him on Father's Day. My wife got me to
do a DNA ancestory kid. We was doing that. As
we're getting ready for the wedding, I'm like, boom, I
probably ain't talked to my grandma, my mom mom in
like ten years. Ain't hugged or nothing. Uh, family too,

(12:15):
like uncles and aunts, but it always being me and
my mom. Like my siblings had their dad, so they'll
go live with them. If we anything, gotta go to
a shelter whatever, if it me is me and my mama.
So I'm like telling my wife, like, damn, I want
my family to be at the wedding. I want my
mama to be there with her mama, my aunt, my uncle.
Like that's how I grew up around family. Whatever I'm

(12:39):
doing it, we're doing the ancestry Kid. Probably a month
before we go sit down with my family, I'm like,
I'm about to sit my mom and my grandparents down,
my uncles and aunts. All that long story short, that
was like not meant to happen. And that same day
I was just like, damn, it ain't gonna never be
like what it's supposed to be with my family again.

(13:00):
It was like five o'clock in the morning. We was
in North Carolina because that's what we was meeting up
with everybody. My wife woke me up like, man, babe,
I'm finding your cousins right now. Like on my dad's side.
The ancestry Kid had hit like that that day the
results came back to day that I tried to sit
my mama down with her mom, brother and sister and

(13:20):
it went left. Then we found a few cousins. They
was telling me, you look like this guy. You look
like this guy. We went on a month trying to
find my dad, and then on follow the day we
got a.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Hired the genealogist to interpret the to interpret the ancestry
in the results, and it took her about six weeks
to give us the full report. And then when she
sent the full report back, she said that, you know,
his dad could be one of these three people and
there were three brothers, and so we kind of went
down the line and I called she had numbers listed

(13:56):
in emails. I reached out to everybody. Person that I
was able to contact was his grandmother. And initially they
thought it was like a scam. They were like, you know,
why are you calling us? And I was like, listen,
we don't want any we don't want child support, we
want anything. We are well off people. We just want
to mend the relationship between him and who we believe

(14:17):
is his dad. And so we kind of went through
the three different options. His two uncles and his dad,
and we called it. We called it, we called the
first option, and she the genealogist, had him listed as
the first option because he was the closest in age
to his mom. So we initially thought that it was
his uncle, so we FaceTime them. They didn't all the

(14:38):
way look alike, but they had some sort of similarity.
So we were like, hey, you know, we're just trying
to figure this out. And he was like, Hey, I
don't think it's me, but it might be my brother
because I think he looks more like my brother. And
then we FaceTime, we know, FaceTime with him later on
Father's Day, and when at his grandmother's house and him
and his dad, they looked just alike and the synergy

(14:59):
was their immediate and we flew out the next day.
He's from these dads from Detroit. We flew out the
next day. We met his dad, We met the rest
of his family, and his dad was his siblings. He
found out he had two a brother and a sister
that he didn't know about. So this has been almost
thirty years that he didn't know his dad. So to
be able for them to be able to reconnect right

(15:21):
before the wedding was so it was a lot of
emotions going on. When people see the clip, they think
it's like, oh, he just up there tore up about
his wife, And I think that to a degree, he
was emotional, but there were so many different things going on.
There were so many different reasons for us to be
happy crying that day.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So how whole that made you feel?

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Son, I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I
don't know yet.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
That's honest. That's honest.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
The conversations with you and your dad, are they like
what you dreamed of or did you want like you know,
were you nervousy with this whole process?

Speaker 6 (15:59):
Nah? I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I feel like I think there were a little bit
of nerves.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
Yeah, But I'm just like a difficult person to deal with.
So I don't know. I mean, like, you know, like
I mean, like as far as nothing like against my
dad though, But I just don't I don't know. I
don't know how it made me feel. Sometimes he called
he gonna see this and be like sometimes the call
and I might not even know like what we should

(16:26):
talk about, so I might not ask and I call
her dad though immediately yeah, like whatever, as soon as
we leave out of here, I'm gonna call him probably
like or he gonna call me. We talked. It's like
we got the relationship that I was like looking for
for a long time because I was in there with
him when she when she was at work. I was
going to chemotherapy or I'll be whatever I need. He

(16:49):
gonna pick up, he gonna drop whatever I asked him
to drop for me right then and there. So he
kind of like build the void before my dad could
come in and like feel it. But it was just
good also to meet my dad and I see like
we look alike. He looked, my son look like him.
You feel me, We walk alike. I met my grandma,
I got a sister, my age, You feel me.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
But you learn a lot about yourself though, because you
could be dealing with physical health issues, mental health issues,
and not even nowhere but your dad might have been
dealing with it. You learned a lot about yourself when
you connect those dots.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
You think it was a nerve wreaking experience too, like
just for me trying to facilitate, I was really nervous
because I didn't know how his dad would receive him
and receive the situation as a whole. I was just
hoping that he wanted to connect as badly as Sonna
wanted to connect. That was my main goal, I guess

(17:46):
in my mind, because you never really know how people
will receive things. Some people will be like, oh no,
I'm not dealing with this, it's too much. But I
think it's been difficult for both of them to process it,
and his dad as well, like how do you really
process having a son and not knowing that you had
a son for almost thirty years and then he's an artist.
But he was telling us too. He was like, I've

(18:07):
seen him before, I know his music. He was able
to tell us some of the songs that he did
that he really liked. So it was just like I
could tell he was stunned. Yeah, he had no idea though,
because if you look him up he's from you will
see that he's from North Carolina. His dad had never
been to North Carolina. He had met his mom in
Atlanta and they were young. Things happened, they moved apart,

(18:31):
she was pregnant, she moved back home to North Carolina
to kind of go throughout her pregnancy. So it was
like there was never really he never really knew anything
about him so I imagine that that's a lot for
him to process as well, and his mom as well too,
because I know that she lives with some of those
feelings and like, you know, just being young and being

(18:52):
a human being and making mistakes, but not really a
mistake because I needed him, so it's not I don't
perceive it as a mistake. So it was like, it's
a lot for everybody to process in this experience. So
I'm just trying to be the glue in this situation
and keep us all close, keep us connected, and keep
us in this healing process.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Generational crust breaking moment, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
General some generational curse breakers. I love that, And that's where.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
We live, that's what that's what we stand on.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's what we swear by. Where does that come from?

Speaker 7 (19:30):
Because in your music, yes, are you raised that way
that something like where does it come from?

Speaker 3 (19:37):
For sure? I have a family full of matriarchs, full
of very strong matriarchs, my mother, both of my grandmothers,
my stepmother. I have a family full of women who
are the glue for their families. So I have a
really good example of like how to keep a family together.
And I think they've done a lot for our family,

(19:58):
but it's with me. I feel like my purpose is
to usher in change and bring about a certain type
of energy that it's real and that's raw, and that's unapologetic.
And if that means we often to put our mess
on the table, that's what we have to do so

(20:19):
that we can really get somewhere. Because I love my
son with everything in me, and I don't want him
to experience half of the things that I experience growing up.
I want him to have a pure, a pure life,
and so I want to if that means uncovering everybody's
secrets and just my son deserves to know his grandparents,

(20:40):
his grandfather, He deserves to have a relationship with everybody
that is healthy. So whatever I have to do to
bring in these healthy relationships, I'm willing to do.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
All I want to do. All I want to do
is raise trauma free kids.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
That's all I want to do.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Please God, is give me the power and the ability
to raise or trauma free young lady.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Please.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That's odd because I can only imagine what that looks like.
I can't imagine what that will look like on my
son as an adult. I can't wait to see you know,
the fruits of my labor. I can't wait to see
how he grows up to be. And like, I don't
really know very many people in my life, just as
a young Black American, Southern Black American girl, I don't

(21:21):
know many people in my life who haven't experienced some
sort of trauma. So I'm excited to see what that
looks like on him. And I just want him to
be everything that he wants to be, an astronaut or
school bus drop, whatever you want to be. I just
want to be here to facilitate that in the healthiest way.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Now, are you in therapy? It stunning?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, but.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Mm hmm. I'll be talking to her so I'll be like,
I don't really need that type of stuff because like
she can get me to a point where I'm not
mentally like out of it. Yeah, so I'll be like
kind of like, maybe I don't need it like that.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
We've tried. We tried therapy, though we have. We did
pre counseling before we got married, and then you did
your own individual therapy before we did premieral counseling. You did. Yeah,
a start, It's a start. It takes a minute to
get people. I grew up hospitalized in different mental health institutions,

(22:19):
and I grew up in therapy. I really struggled with
my mental health growing up, so that was kind of
It's not that it was normalized. But my grandmother, she
works at a mental health hospital, so she was always diagnosing,
and you know, I grew up taking medication, like I
really grew up trying to fix whatever was wrong with me.
So that's something that was normal for me. But when

(22:41):
we got in our relationship, it wasn't really a thing
that was talked about with him. So I try to
encourage him to do therapy, and I think he's coming
around to it, for sure. It's not that he's anti therapy.
I think he's coming around to it for sure. But
I think his main priority is just surviving.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
So and you got to find the right therapist.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
I feel like that.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Too. But I think we've we've really reached a point
of like bliss and happiness currently, like we're really in
a really happy space. But I know therapy is preventative,
so it's not necessarily reactive like some I don't think
feel like something has to happen and then you go
to therapy. I think you should be in therapy period,
just to process what it is that you've experienced in

(23:27):
your life. But we're slowly but surely we're coming around
to it. But I'm really proud of him for the man,
and he's become his sobriety journey. Like there's so many
things that people don't.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Come ahead and bring me the big bottle and head
to see them.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, no, no, not liquor, sir.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
I used to do that every day before I ate,
like real talk and not saying I don't know, like
making it cool. Yeah, because even when I was doing that,
I don't think I was making it cool. I think
I was like doing therapy. Yeah, And when I met her,
I kind of found out that, like, damn, that's all
that was because of Medicaid. I started going to the gym,
I want to pick up a pert or bottle or

(24:10):
nothing like. Even now I don't like to drink unless
I'm with her.

Speaker 7 (24:16):
That sounds crazy, that's so bad, No, but he's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
What did stunt to do that made you feel so
safe and protected?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I think he showed this level of care that I
hadn't experienced yet. Yeah, that Southern hospitality that I hadn't
experienced yet. Like I said, I grew, I grew. I
went through a lot growing up. I was abused. Please
put a trigger winning on this too, because I don't
I'm not here to trauma dump. But I'm just being

(24:49):
candid because I prayed for this opportunity to get on
Breakfast Club. I actually wrote it in my journal five
years ago. I wrote this in my journal, I will
be on Breakfast Club before I was even putting music out.
So I'm just making sure that I do my due
diligence to my younger self because I told myself I
was going to be here, and I'm here, and I
want us to see us this opportunity to be candid

(25:09):
and clear and concise. I went through a lot growing up,
so and I feel like there was a lot of neglect.
And that's not to shame anyone or shame my parents,
but they were young and they were learning, and my
experience is my experience, and what happened to me happened
to me, and I can't erase that. So I want

(25:31):
to be clear about that too, because sometimes I feel
like when you talk about certain things, especially in the
black community, it's like what happens in the house stays
in the house, and I want to free myself from
those experiences as I grow into this woman that I'm becoming.
I experienced some things, some abuse, things happened to me
that should have never happened to me. So when I

(25:51):
met him and I didn't feel taken advantage of. I
felt celebrated, I felt appreciated, and I felt valued. Yeah,
so that made me feel like this is where I belong,
this is where I should be in his family, they
were receptive. We went through our things, but we they

(26:14):
reminded me a lot of my family. So we have
so many similarities that we shared and I was just like,
this feels like home for me.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Since we having this conversation, Is it true that you
attempted suicide in the fourth grade?

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Hm?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Hm, there's a baby, you're a baby.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Yeah, there's more. She donet been through. I go down
the list myself.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
She doesn't.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Through a lot. That was another thing that when I
got around, she wasn't like trauma dumping on me, but
it was like, she'll be telling me stuff and I'd
be like, man, I was just with you as four
five niggas over there. Yeah, Like in North Carolina. We
could see a bum getting be a woman and we're
gonna go do something to the man or taken advantage

(27:11):
of I'm not. I'm not. I'm saying like that's what
made me be like man, not not even that. I
just wanted to protect myself. I just wanted to show,
like I saw the God, that shit won't happen again,
Like you don't have to do that, you won't have
to do this, wi't nobody come looking for you, want
nobody put in none of that, it will ever happen again.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, he was very protective, but yeah that I was.
I don't know, well, I guess I was. I was
experiencing a lot as a kid that I really couldn't process,
and I knew it didn't feel good. I didn't know
exactly what was happening, but I knew it was like
this feels wrong to me. And I really struggled with

(27:53):
my self worth, my self confidence, and I was just
like why am I here? And I was feeling like
that very young, very young fourth grade I I, that's true,
that's my that was my earliest Well, third grade is
when those feelings started, and then fourth grade is when
I like started like, Okay, let me figure out what

(28:13):
I can do to not be here anymore. So it
started in fourth grade and then it progressed through middle
school through high school. But I'm so grateful that I
don't feel that way anymore. Tru I think residually those
feelings that kind of come up, cause it was so

(28:33):
much of my life I was. I just kind of
got accustomed to feeling to you know, I had indoctrinated
all of these negative feelings and thoughts about myself. So
it got to a point where I was like, this
is my being, this is my core being. I don't
like who I am. Y, this is to the core.
I hate who I am and what people have done
to me. And I felt like I deserved it at

(28:58):
a point in time, but I know that's not true now.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Trauma is never your fault, but never your healing is
your responsibility.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
So healing is my responsibility.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
When was that pivot? When did you realize like I
got it, I got to heal.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I think I got to a point where I was like,
I'm tired of feeling this way about myself, Like there
has to be more to life for me than just
waking up every day and hating my existence. There has
to be more to life. And I started journaling because
I had already gone through therapy, and in my mind,
I told myself, therapy doesn't work, this medication doesn't work.

(29:34):
A lot of it was what do you call it,
like hardwired? So my grandmother struggle with her own battles,
my mother struggle, my siblings struggle. It's kind of like
I don't want to say it's hereditary, but maybe it is.
Maybe it's hereditary. So it was like it got to

(29:56):
a point where I was like, I can't do this anymore,
Like I want to. I see everybody in in their life.
I'm ready to enjoy my life. I'm ready to experience
it and a lens that isn't coming from this trauma,
Like I want to see what life really has for me.
And I started journaling. I started making music in that
process and really venting my frustrations and just kind of

(30:20):
journaling via this rap bea rap, And it started off
as rap. I never thought I was gonna be a rapper,
but it started off with rap because I was in
that angry phase of my healing. I was just mad
at the world, mad at everybody for letting me down,
mad at my parents, mad at people who did things
to me, just mad at everybody. It was everybody's fault.

(30:41):
So RAP was like my first real outlet because I
was able to vent these frustrations in a very aggressive way.
And it still helps me though to this day. Like
I still will make a real aggressive record, but I
feel like it's helping me come to a calmer place
in the weird it's way. It's like this weird juxtaposition.

(31:01):
I'll make the most aggressive song and I'm like, all right,
I'm good, I'm chilling for the rest. I could chill now.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
You said your grandmother she worked in a mental institution.
Yeah so, And you said she even had her own
as well. Do you think there was some correlation between
where she was working or do you think.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
That was I think she grew up too.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I think it's just generational, generational curses. Her mother had
her at fourteen, my great grandmother, And she said, my
great grandmother is still alive to this day. Thank god,
she was here. She was here during the wedding. She
had her at fourteen, so God knows what she experienced.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Gotcha, and you have had these conversations with her.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I've had these conversations with everybody. I'm one of them.
People were gonna talk. Yeah, I'm gonna talk with my
whole family because I want to get down to the
bottom of why do we act this way? What's happening? Like,
what has made us behave this way? And then she
did her part, but she kind of I feel like
she kind of ran to a degree, like she left,
she left her hometown, She went to college, and she

(32:01):
really put a lot of effort into her studies and
she works. She's a workaholic. To this day. She refuses
to retire and she's had two strokes. She refuses to
retire because she just I notices her way of coping
with everything that it is that she deals with the
pressures in the stresses of being a matriarch. And then

(32:21):
I feel like that trickled down to my mom. And
my mom struggled with her own battles growing up and
even as an adult. And I feel like as an adult,
her having me caught the I caught the the I
caught a little bit of what she was struggling with,

(32:42):
you know. And that's not too that's to humanize her,
if anything, because I feel like we especially young Black girls,
oldest girls, oldest Black girls there human they were, they
would hear me and they would understand where I'm coming
from as an older as an older sister, you are
kind of you're adultified and you don't really get to

(33:07):
experience your childhood the way that you're supposed to. And
I always feel like that And it was because of,
like I said, my mom was struggling with her own things.
And I hope when she hears this, she knows that
it's not too pass judgment on her. I love my mother,

(33:28):
that's like she's my baby. I love her, and it's
not to be judgmental towards her, but it's just to
open up the space to have these conversations that are
so uncomfortable to have. But I want her to know
that I'm proud of her for doing what she could
with us. And I think things happen in the process

(33:50):
and all we can do is move forward and heal
and learn to love each other through through raw struggles,
through our mishaps. So I think it's been passed down
from generation the generation, but it definitely stops with me.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Trauma.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Trauma runs in your family till it runs into you
running me, and I believe that our parents they would
have they were just trying to survive.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
We're the general We're the first generation that has the
luxury of healing. Like you know, they didn't have the
resources and that that that that that we got. We
weren't talking about anxiety and depression.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Then, and these resources are readily available to us, and
they're promoted almost. I feel like I've seen a rise
in people promoting taking care of your mental health and
I love that. And I also have my own organization,
Stay One More Day, where I promote people healing and
focusing on staying another day. Until you get to a
point where you're happy to be here.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, you're definitely supposed to be here. I think it
was God's plan for you not to take your life
and the grade at eight years old. You are a baby,
you know, So I'm glad that you are here. And
then you're breaking generational curses. So when you got pregnant,
what was that like? Because now you're a mother, you know,
and you replayed things in your mind like, oh my god,

(35:17):
I grew up this way.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
I'm not going to allow my son or my daughter
because you didn't know what you were having at that time.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Don't didn't know to deal with but I kind of
knew to a degree because I had a dream. One
thing about me, I'm a dreamer. I feel like my
these spirits that come to me in these dreams. My friends.
I had a dream and my homegirl who passed away,
her them is saving. She told me in a dream
that I was pregnant and that I was having a
boy the month that I conceived my son. So I
feel like I kind of you.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Yeah, I told him that the regular dream like became
my dream last night and told me we were having
a boy.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, so y'all planned baby boy?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Well, yeah, we did because we had a candidly speaking,
we had a miscarriage first about nine months before then.
And that also, and I'll talk about this a lot too.
And also it's like I talk about a lot of shit.
I'm not trying to be the spokesperson for anything either.
I want to make that very clear. I'm telling you,
I'm just detailing my experiences.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
So I don't want to which is gonna help.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's gonna help. It's gonna help because you don't realize
how many people go through these things until you meet
somebody who's ready to talk about it, and I'm ready
to talk about it. There was a lot of I
had been told that I had these cysts, and then
I went to I got multiple different evaluations. They were like, oh, yeah,
you have assist. It's five centimeters six six centimeters. It
needs to be removed immediately. And then other people, other

(36:33):
doctors were like, oh, I don't see any cists. So
it was just like it was so much going on
at the time. So when I found out that I
was pregnant with my son, I was very protective over
that process and I didn't even announce that I was
pregnant until I was eight months. And then when we
had them, we had a home birth at Amazing, had
it in our kitchen, and my grandmother was there, My

(36:54):
mother was there, both my grandmother's actually his mom was there,
his sisters, my brother was they're his brothers. My dad
was there. It was a whole and it was a
very strange experience because it was such a vulnerable experience
for me. But again, it was one of those things

(37:15):
that was like, I feel like I feel called to
do this because my mother and my grandmother, they both
my mother had all sea sections with all her kids.
They told her she was she would never be able
to deliver naturally or like vaginantly. They told her she
would never be able to do that. By the way,
it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
They told my wife that for her second daughter, and
she had next to.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
They told me the same thing. They told me the
same thing, literally told me the same thing. And then
my grandmother she almost died having my mom. She only
has one child, which is my mom, and she almost
died having nurse SOEs she never had any other kids.
So it was important for me to heal that trauma
for the matriarchs in my family and show them that
because when I first told them, they were like, what
are you thinking about? Like you canna have a baby
at home? Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (37:56):
They were telling her that she needed to she might
have to do Session two.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, they were telling me, and the doctors were telling
me that I shouldn't. But I don't want to advise
anybody against any doctor's orders, because there are doctors out
there that are diligent and that are thorough with the
work that they do. But again, I'm just going off
of what I feel called to do, and very early
on within like the first six or twelve weeks of

(38:23):
me being pregnant with my son, I was like going back.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
And for it.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I was like, Noah, I'm doing a home birth.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
So I got a midwife, I got a doula, and
I have my family.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
That's what we got to do it for third and fourth.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
That's the best way.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I had natural births or y'all just had a duel
at the hospital to advocate for y'all.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
My wife had a natural birth, not because she wanted to.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
On the third one was it was happening so fast.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, there was something going on with the hospital where
it was. She always gets I tell the story wrong,
but if something they couldn't get the abadoros or something
like that. So she ended up having a natural but
she we just decided to get a do it for
the third and fourth because it's so hard when black
women go to the hospital, like you can't play with
that the way the black maternal death rad is actly.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
So that was all that was on my mind. I
wanted to take care of myself.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
So now you got your music, yep, and then you
you turn your you know, your pain into a beautiful
you know, oh.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know y'all got something in common. Then you study
mortuary science.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I did, okay, just a mortuary all. What you study
mortual science?

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Girl, I went for one semester and I couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It was too much.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
It was too much, the whole embovement. And then you know,
limbs's alive.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
If you do too much, they jump.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, girl, fart, that would happen, like all the screamed,
they let the noises, they let.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
It.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah. The nerves are like settling basically, so they jerk
and they move and they all and.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Then everybody is the one and you're working and you chilling,
and you going break and you got your back turn
and then you look, you see I can give somebody
seeing up.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
It's a little you know, and then like.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
The dead body sit up.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
No, I did not see it. When I was in
mortuary school. They were, they had they told us that
was a possibility, But I never seen that personally. But
I have seen, like you know, bodies jerk and move
and make these noises and these liquids to come out.
Like I've seen the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
And so you actually went through the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I didn't graduate because I started rapping midway through and
I was like, all right, bet, I'm doing this one.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
I didn't graduate because I got scared.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I understand it was.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Working at the mortuary first of all.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
No, but you have to you have to internship during
your school. By the time you graduate, you have to
have been done or else you can't graduate. You have
to finish your internship. So you do it while you're in.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
School, right, to get your hours, to get your.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Hours yet yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
Because you started with Life after Death and then it
just and then who did the Body? I was like,
what is her thing with like life after Death? Literally
like it's kind of all centered around it and it's
very like church, cheap Baptist.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Church, it is exactly.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
I'm like, it feels like a funeral at first, and
then it goes into a whole different world.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Exactly I did. I did so culturally I feel like
this project for me culturally who did the body? You know,
when black people go to a funeral, if the body
looked good or bad? Where I was like, who did
the body? To see? Which were home? Never who did

(41:28):
the body? Like it's one of the two. So culturally
it was living but also like like I was just
talking about I had so many I've just had a
really weird experience with life, and I've also had weird
experiences with death. So this project for me was kind
of liberating me in that sense and freeing me from
the fears of death. But we're all and just also
talking about just opening up that conversation about grief in

(41:51):
our community and insurance and that type of stuff like
that was important to me to highlight with this project.
So it's and it is very so Baptist. I grew
up Baptists. My grandmother was. She was a youth minister
on my dad's side, so she made me sing in
the church every Sunday. I had no choice. Even if
I was nervous or scared, I had no choice. So
those are really my roots. I grew up with a

(42:14):
praying grandmother, so those are truly, truly, truly my roots.
So I wanted to just highlight Southern Black American culture
with this project.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
How do they feel about you doing this secular music? Now?

Speaker 6 (42:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
They My granny cuss though, so it's like she, you know,
you know how Baptist people are. It's like we real Baptists,
but outside the church, we like to turn up and
have a good time. So it's like my granny, she cussed,
she was crazy. She is crazy, So I know it's
like she can find a little bit of herself and
that I am my grandmother's baby. So it's like, boo,

(42:48):
where did I learn this from? But other than you
and my mom, I got this from y'all, So how
can you really be?

Speaker 6 (42:53):
They?

Speaker 3 (42:54):
They love it, they support it.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
What did Jesus turn the water into water for? If
not for a party?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
If not for a party, you know what I'm saying,
Not for a good turn up. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Okay, maybe for a different taste. You know they only
had water bag then he probably like, let's say something else.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
But I'm saying you could have turned into apple juice, oranges,
any of the things wine he was trying to turn up,
and I feel I feel him.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Okay, now beating down your block? That was my anthem
like three years.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Yeah, I'm not playing. Did you expect that song to
be as big as it got?

Speaker 3 (43:23):
I expected it to change my life. I don't know
about I didn't know exactly what the parameters. I didn't
know how big it was gonna get, but I knew
it was going. I knew it was pivotal in my life.
And when I talk about journaling and writing that I
was gonna be on Breakfast Club, that was this is
around the time that I made that song. I was like, Yeah,
I'm gonna be on Breakfast Club. I'm gonna be getting interviewed,
I'm be getting plaques. Like I knew, I had a

(43:44):
feeling in my bones that that song was going to
change my life, and it did just that.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
And I'm at that second phase too, where I feel
like these next few songs that I'm dropping in this project,
I feel like it's also going to elevate my life.
I feel like even Sexy Solon has elevated my life
to an agree with all the good and the bad.
Talk about it and also thank you Charlemagne for posting
that for me. I appreciate you for exposing that to
an audience who might dad have seen that, an older

(44:10):
audience that like my dad, my mom's generation, who might
not have seen it. I feel like it definitely is
taking my life to a new tier as well, new fans,
new levels conversation too. It causes conversation, which was fine.
I'm cool with the good I'm cool with the bad.
It was. I just wanted to usher in the conversation.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
So what I love about it? You were still a
little too nice. She was like, you were just telling
them all black people to go to the bad.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
You ain't saying it out.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
No, I just said, create a level of you know,
separation to a degree, not trying to segregate nig because
I'm just saying, like, give us our space to congregate,
frightnize fellowship for two minutes. I wanted to create a
space for Black Americans to turn up and have a
good time Black people in general, because I know people
were like, what is this for Black Americas for It

(44:58):
was like I wanted to promote black unity and black community,
which is why you see me depicted cloaked in this
black American hairt juste flag, which I want to encourage
people to support and buy straight from the source. You
can get it on Black Lettic, where Black Litics is
not sponsored, by the way, not smart set at all.
I just want to I saw people were buying the flag,
and you can kind of buy these dupes from like
Amazon and different like Chinese vendors, and I want to

(45:21):
encourage people to shop straight from the source, which is
where black letics. He collaborated. His name is Rodney. He
collaborated with Joy, who is the daughter of Melvin Charles,
who was a co creator of the Black American hairt
Juste flag. So and I had to talk with her
earlier this week because I well, a couple weeks ago,
because I wanted to make sure that I had the
origin story of the Black American Haritge flag correct, which

(45:43):
is basically they created it in nineteen sixty seven to
basically acknowledge Black Americans for their contributions to America because
and it also just create some representation because at the time,
we were being identified as negroes, like they didn't really want
to acknowledge us as people. We didn't have our own flag.
We were kind of like they were paying us dust.

(46:03):
And so they created this flag so that we can
fly it and represent the Black American culture and our
contributions to this country. So and a lot of people
at the time didn't really resonate with the American flag either,
So it was like we had something of our own.
So you see me cloaked in the Black American Heritage
flag and the video, but then you also see the
flags behind me, the ethnic flags behind me stitched together

(46:25):
Nigerian flags, and you know, and I wanted to make
sure what was important to me was, like I said,
to promote black unity and black community because under the
umbrella of white supremacy and racism, we are all black
here in this country and cops pull us over. Then
I asked you here are you Jamaican? Are you? Where
are you from? Fact, they're not asking that you just black.

(46:49):
So I wanted to detail these shared experiences across the diaspora.
And I know what It's upset a couple of people,
which I can understand to a degree, because I feel
like Black Americans we want so badly to be represented
and we want something of our own because it feel
like people have taken from our culture. And I understand
that to a degree and still do so. I understand
the frustration about incorporating the other flags. But I'm just

(47:11):
here to detail what I was trying to depict, and
that was black unity and black community. And I'm not
trying to divide the diaspora. That will never be my intentions. Unfortunately,
that's just not what I'm trying to do.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I'm here to bring us together.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
You had When I went to go search the song
that morning on YouTube, and all I saw was reaction
videos of people upset.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Oh yeah, they was mad here, Like.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Like, is this really it's mad already? I'm like, when
this song came about, it's only six days ago.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Exactly, they were mad. I was. I expected white people
to be mad. I real don't give a damn what
white people think about me. I expected for them to
be mad. I got that. That made sense to me
because white people his thing with white people, And it's
not that I'm saying that all white people are bad, right,
you know, they be saying like I got a black

(48:01):
best friend. My best friend is white. You know, I's
taking a page out of they book. So it's not
that I'm saying white people are bad. But I think she.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Wasn't in the video. Everybody somebody said that to me
this morning. It was like, she got a Latino best friend,
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
God, just because she's tatty.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I promise.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
That's my best friend. But it's like, I feel like
white people what they need to understand is that they've
been conditioned a certain type of way under this because
I feel like racism is a fundamental issue, and they've
been conditioned to this certain type of teaching in this

(48:48):
certain type of way subconsciously. So I feel like, consciously
it needs to be called out and it needs to
be unlearned. That's my only thing that I want to
make clearest, not that I'm saying a white people are bad.
So they were mad. I didn't give a damn about that.
I ain't care. And they were like, well, what if
white people made a song like this? White people have
done worse. Let's be clear, they've done way worse in

(49:11):
real life. And there is a song, actually I saw
the other day there was a song exactly exactly, so
it's like, what the hell are we talking about? What
are we talking about? But yeah, I expected them to
be mad, but I didn't expect for so many people
in my community to be upset. And then I kind
of like did my homework and I'm like, what is

(49:32):
it that is upsetting people? And I got down to
the root of it, and I'm like, all right, I
see what's happening here. I can't listen. I can't do
all this. This is too much. All I'm gonna say
is what I wanted to clearly articulate, and that was,
like I said, black community, black love, black comunity, and

(49:55):
detail these, like I said, shared experiences across the diaspora
that we can't control our grandmother are very similar. So
I wanted to detail that.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Sometimes you just got to tell people it's a black thing.
You wouldn't understand, you wouldn't care what. They don't need
an explanation, they.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Don't need no expl and it should be actually should
be gay kept. I think a lot of our cultures
should be kept close to us because you know, white
people that keep whatever they want to keep close to
them is kept very close to them. There's a lot
of shit that's kept away from us. And I feel
like we should have the same pride and integrity about
our culture. And it's not about being exclusionary. Is just
showcasing a level of pride and reverence and respect for

(50:31):
what's been put in place historically.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
You are twenty four years old. You are so.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Like just intelligent, brilliant, educating your informative.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
You know, sound like white people. White sound like white people.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
They like white people.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
You sound like white people saying that white people.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Because I'm giving another young.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Black woman sometimes I'd like that don't mean she white,
but that means you're just an intelligent black woman, like
you don't want to white?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
That make you said that? Are we tell like they
sound like white people?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
No, no, no, I said, said that she'd be sounding
like white people using big words.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
You just used a couple of words that I didn't
even know.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Like that don't mean you white. That does mean she's
No no no.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Before said that he can say whatever you want to
say about his wife because and you say.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Because you look at you.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Why you know why because you looked at her and
you said, wow, you're twenty four years old, and you
sound so intelligent.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I wanted, no, I did, no, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Sound of course, I.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Did not say she said please. I did not say
she sound so intelligent. I said, you're twenty four years old.
You are so intelligent. You're informative, you're educating your like.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
I did not say that she means but I don't
think she means what you mean that she's gone white. Yeah,
she's talking about age and the maturity level when you
when you when speaking to.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Her in a comprehension story.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Some already told me the other day when Little John
was on Your Apprentice, and Donald Trump used to say,
come look at little John talk. Y'all got to hear John,
he's so intelligent. Oh my god, because you got.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
The dreads right and the gold grill. You know what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
I don't think she meant that.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I hear what you're saying. If what was coming from
if it was coming I would be like what you
mean by that? But I understand exactly what you mean
because I think, like just especially with the rhetoric with
the ship that's being pushed on us right now, I
think I get what you mean, like to bring light
to these subjects and you know, explain some of these

(52:38):
topics that we don't really talk about in our generation.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
We don't talk about it. We don't hear about it
from young people enough. You know, Like there's three lesson
you just gave us on that flag. You know what
I mean that you you intentionally put in your video. Yeah,
that's you know what I'm saying, Like all of that
and then everything that you've been through, you could have
went a whole other way.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
You could have you know what.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I'm saying, Like, Yeah, for sure, I go around people
and it's so crazy to see the difference in how
trauma has affected us. And I don't fallot anybody for
the path that they chose, because you really never I
feel blessed. I don't know what it was that steered
me this way, because I could have been I could

(53:19):
have done anything in this life. Because I grew up
with people and we all grew up, we started at
the same point, we experienced some of the same things.
Some of the people that I was hospitalized with we
shared some of the same experiences, and we've all kind
of taken different paths, but we still stay closely connected.
But it's like, this is why I advocate the way
that I do, because I think people misunderstand my upbringing

(53:42):
or they see me or just like or they see
somebody who's poised and put together and they think or
well spoken, articulate, and they're like, oh my gosh, she's
so like, you know, they have no idea the things
that I've seen, the things I've witness, things that I've.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Experienced, and I admire it. It's inspirational.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Like so, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Definitely glad you answered your call. Is that don hu
Leo record? Is that really about stunning for Vegas.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Answering the phone, Yes, it was why you ain't answer
the phone?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Why you didn't answer the call? Made a good song,
blessing on your line. You ain't pick up?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Get him?

Speaker 6 (54:13):
I caught her back.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
He called me back halfway through the song, and I
was did.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Know ship like not even just made the song. She
just saidn't have said that in the interview.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
I shouldn't have, But I was being honest though, because
everybody's like, when you lie, you gotta keep up with
the lie. So I feel like the first time somebody
asked me what was the origin of the song, I
was just like, oh, yeah, this is what happened because
it was just like the most readily available answer that
I had, which was the truth. Maybe I probably shouldn't

(54:45):
have said that, but it was true and me he
called me back halfway through the song, but I was
already deep. I was like, I was already I was vibing.
I was loving a song. I knew it wasn't here.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
There was no point.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I shouldn't have said that. You do why you answer?
We shooting a video? Oh, I mean it happens every
now and then.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know, she said, she's looking at you designed that
was his story. He better stick to it.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah, No, I was really I was calling him and
I was like, why is he not?

Speaker 6 (55:11):
I don't be doing no sucker ship, bro? Why I
don't even like when like a normal person walk up
to us and joke about that song, I'll be ready
to be like, bro, I'll slap the shit out of you.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Right, I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Hopefully it's not nobody with me for little brother to
be like, bro, we'll slap the shit out of you. Career,
I don't know. I don't even play.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Like, Yeah, his bros is crazy.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
My best friend sent me that song. That's this is how.
My best friend sent me that song and it was like,
this is you. Y'all are spirit animals. I was like,
which was flying? I'm a sad scorpio cuss? Okay, yeah,
when your birthday November twenty second? Oh fire, my granny's
birthday November twenty third. Oh So she she's fun, but
she's fun. Yeah, she's crazy.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
How did the link up with Lizzo happened?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
So she's from Houston. So she reached out to me
and she was like, hey, you know I gotta do
you have any anything you want me to get on.
And I didn't have anything at the time, and I
was like, I'm recording this week, I'm recording all week.
If I find something, I'll send it to you. And
I send it to her. She sent it right back
the same day. She sent it back the same day,
which is very rare in this industry. I'm saying that

(56:18):
because I don't even be sending it back the same
day because I be needing to sit with stuff, or
I be needing to get to the studio. Maybe I
don't got a studio planned for another two weeks. Like
it just worked out that way. So I'm very appreciative
that she sent me that burst back so quick. I
never experienced nothing like, especially from us, a star like Lizo,
like somebody who is so accomplished like her. I would

(56:39):
have thought that she would have gave me to run around.
But she was really adamant about doing the song because
she was kind of like she's entering this rap phase
and I'm just happy to facilitate.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Yeah, that's dope.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
It is true. You you, you and the baby back good.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
We we speak, we speak, I mean we speak.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Had you facilitated that combo? Was that true.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I didn't facilitate that Conbo. I don't know him personally,
but it was like.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
I facilitated that Combo. I was on tour with talking
to you and he told you like that, let's just reached.
That's how we seen. I've seen it up there. Like
even when I reached out to him, I was reaching
out to him on some grown man ship, like I'm
gonna take my lick, like I was the reason why
we separated because it was a ship going on outside
the business. So I moved around and when I hit

(57:32):
him up, I probably moved around before I hit him up.
I moved around with animosity on my chest. So when
I hit him up, it was more so like not
getting it off. But it was definitely like, man bro,
I'm gonna take accountability. Like I went left. I should
have came and spoke to you about certain ship. There
was nothing like, man bro, you like I want to

(57:54):
get back to that, Like this is the only dudo
I'm worried about. So like when I reached out to
him on some real ship, it's like, well, I really
do miss my brother me. That's all it was. It
wasn't nothing, It wasn't about no I needed a song.
I'm trying to get back right there with none of that,
Like I missed my brother. We're not been through enough,

(58:14):
Like it wasn't just straight music ship. I'm like, man,
how the hell shout? It adin't hit me up yet. Yeah,
but we did end up speaking one out. We was
on tour. That's how it kind of happened because I
was on tour with my wife. She was on tour
Don Tolliver. I was playing around. I got into it
like Rick on Don Tolliver bike and like messed up,

(58:37):
like faction, every bone in my face and stuff like that.
And then when Leo posted about it, like basically letting
it be known that I'm straight, probably like a day later,
he reached out to me, responding back to the DM
that he told you all about. So I had hit
him before you fear me, before he came up here
and told y'all, and he still didn't even reached that

(59:00):
like whatever he said he told y'all like, oh, it's good.
But even then, I know bro, like I really know him,
so I'm like shit. However, when I sent the message
to him, I'm like, however he reacts, I'm not tripping
because I'm taking accountability for even letting this shit get
this distant. God moved around without saying anything. I moved

(59:21):
around without saying like, oh this is going on, or
somebody saying there somebody telling who, I just moved around.
But even then, because I ain't got nothing against bro
loving to death, like, I look at it like when
I moved around, like that's what I was supposed to
do on God, that what I was supposed to do, Bro,
Because that's just what I was supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
What was the issue though, because it's not like you
didn't have your own identity even being with the baby,
like people knew who stunner forward was.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
You was on your own trajectory. You didn't feel like.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
That, Yeah, that's what it felt like, though they might
not have been at That's what it felt like though,
And that ain't got nothing to do with him, you
feel me, We was bruh. It was just that shit
happened too quick that I can really say that's his
my career, like I can say it happened so quick
that it was probably too much for everybody and not

(01:00:18):
just me. But at first I used to look at
it like, man, that shit was too much for me, bro,
Like before that, I was in a two bedroom apartment
that was getting shot up. My mama was at that,
like seven niggas in there, my sisters in there, still
still going to school every day or whatever. Like uh,
I looked at it like it was just too much

(01:00:38):
for everybody from me bruh in the scope and everybody.
You feel me, you feel me because I did my part,
Like I ain't never end up how any of my
peers ended up. That we was doing the same thing
on and off Instagram. We was doing the same exact thing.
I ain't end up like nobody else. I ain't never
get one of my close partners indicted. You feel me killed?

(01:01:06):
Nothing I ain't do. I feel like I felt like
the only thing I did wrong was just funck off
money because I'm a genuine guy at heart already with
anybody I come across, like the bus driver, the janitor,
the president, and everybody got like, no big use, no whatever.
So I'm like, man, it was just too much, bro,

(01:01:29):
it was just too much for everybody. Like because like
I said, it can feel or it can even look
like something to y'all, but over here it's something totally different.
Like I was really surviving my whole time over there,
not even just with being all the baby like within
the scope being our help. I was surviving. I wasn't

(01:01:52):
I feel me. I wasn't top of the line like
everybody thought it what brother's top of the line, for sure?
With me, I was like surviving. I was trying to
get through there. I was trying to I'm paying lawyer fees.
I'm doing like everything that artists do around my age,
like thinking that we've grown already, are like, oh yeah,
I'm a man, Like I'm out here. You feel me?

(01:02:13):
So like I say, I can say yeah, it felt
like that or even looked like that. But now I'm
twenty nine years old and I can look back on shit,
wake up every day with my wife, breakfast, lunch, dinner,
feel me, wake up with my son, go to the
studio when I want to, Like, I see this shit
for what it really is. So I know when a
nigga get on that bit talking about like man, I

(01:02:35):
gotta take this risk for the family, gotta get away
from that shit, be cap that shit, be total cap
because I know, like even now I'm bigger than I
was before. Bro, I just was like streaming music, and
it was dropping so much. I was dropping it through
a company or whatever versus, Like now that's what I'm

(01:02:57):
getting back to doing. But my music is better than
this being. I'm really like genuinely happy. I really feel like.
I was talking to young Thug the other day, was like,
how'd you for? Real? Bro? How'd you for I said,
I'm better than I ever been, Like, I ain't just
saying that to you either. I'm better than I ever
been before I got some money. When I got some money,
like everything, bro, I look at it like a lessen

(01:03:18):
and not a loss. So I just say it was
just too much for everybody, but it was supposed to
happen it. It put me in position to be here today.
Feed me. It put me in position to learn, like
about a lot of stuff that a lot of guys
can't come in that bit with the biggest rapper at
the time, Like I'm coming through here with the baby.

(01:03:39):
So I'm gonna meet Drake, I'm gonna meet Gucci, I'm
gonna meet every rapper. I'm gonna watch this rapper do
lame shit that I used to look up to. I'm
gonna watch I'm gonna see all of it. Feel me.
And then when I finally get to that moment with myself,
while I'm like, man, why ain't you take this nigga back?
Why don't following this nigga? What am I doing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Like this?

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Ain't me? I get to break down all that shit
that I've seen from everything, and and then I just
tell myself like it was supposed to happen like that
versus before my wife came around too. I was definitely
telling myself that I'm about to mood to Houston, about
the mood of Houston. I'm about to run up some baby.
Feel I'm about to woo. I'm about to take a
break from North Carolina before I go to jail or

(01:04:21):
do something wrong. Feel me, I'm about to mood to Houston,
about to woo woo. And then when I meet her,
I did them just start telling myself like I did
my first on the radar. I did that first interview.
I told him in an interview, I was like, I'm
done rapping. And from there, from there, when I said
that out loud, like I'm done rapping, I ain't do

(01:04:41):
no freestyle on the radar. From there, that's when everybody
come up with the narrative, Oh baby did this he
dropped and me dad da da, He's gonna fell out.
But I really literally like what's that on the radar?
Like just burnt. You can go look at the interview
right now, like look at my face and you can tell, like, bro,
that nigga did not want to do this. I was
sober in that interview, but I was just like and

(01:05:02):
this shit, like everything about it is not what I expected,
like feel me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But it's the industry in general.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
Yeah yeah at the time. But like I say, all
that supposed to happen, bro, Like I was supposed to
watch the industry go through the ups and downs that
it went through as an industry alone, because I used
to look at it like is it me going through
the ups and downs? And I don't know. I'm a
good I'm a good dude, like, but I'm watching fuck
niggas go straight ups every time, so I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Like, is it me?

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
But I'm also watching like as a year ago about
another year ago. But I'm like, it's really the industry
because you can see I don't want to use no names,
but you know, shit like did they me and Leo
got married? Our name was besides whoever y'all wanted to
say it was, but a week before that, the narrative
was that maybe I'll fell off for maybe whatever it was,

(01:05:51):
Maybe I'm around my wife because of what she got
going on, whatever it was, you feel me. They had
every narrative that they wanted to put out there until
we just like I say, put it on the internet
like this is the narrative, like or people seeing me
cry and ship like that. I thought, like, in reality,

(01:06:11):
I'm not tripping about that shit. Or when my wife said,
what we're gonna do the ceremony because I'm like, shit,
you supposed to cry. I cried for a nigga that
died game. You think I'm not about to cry for
my wife? Right? You feel me?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Yes, you feel me like I feel the same way
about Like they'd be like, oh a nigga, you tender
if you I'll be like, I'm right I am. I'm
gonna be the first one to tell you straight up
I am like and even if she she wouldn't do that,
but it don't matter. I'm tender. You feel me because
of the same way you play with my homeboy. I
know how much react he damn a rat. You play

(01:06:45):
with my son. Mama absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Feel me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And also because of the trauma we've been through, we
don't expect tears of joy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
No fact, you're supposed to shake tears of joy at
your way.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
I was crying for like ten minutes in the shower
before I put my suit on. My homeboys out there
getting ready. I'm just in it. Been trying to clean up,
like song go out there looking toe up. Yeah, like
this shit really going on today, That's all I was
telling myself in the shower. Yeah, for sure, that was
like probably the biggest thing I ever did. What the
biggest moment my life other than my son, Like no tour,

(01:07:16):
no show, no big chick could amount to that day
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Congratulations eighteen twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Man, he who finds your wife finds a good thing
and a teans paper from the Lord.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
I really really admire y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
What y'all got, y'all, Thank you, Alice, the empire, y'all building,
How y'all raising y'all, little boy, how you're breaking generational curses.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
House.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
It's gonna get It's going to get easier and easier
with time with your dad if you just keep going,
you know, like like Mona said, it's hard for you
and it's also hard for him. But I know it'll
get It'll get right, you know, yeah time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Because she's giving you that look like she want to
go make another one man?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yes, but no, who did? The body comes out this Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Friday seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Look at them, look at that, look at us, see
that people stamp. Yeah, that's a proud of us. Look
at us. Magazine stamp.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Keep going, generational curse breakers, man, that's the best work
that y'all can do. Not being afraid to come out
here and tell y'all stories and just being this amazing
example of black love.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Man. Salute to y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Thank you so much, absolutely, thank you'all. Yes, thank y'all
for having us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Vegas is the breakfast club.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
It's not Mono Leo, Mona Leo le You sound white every.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Day a week ago, breakfast club. Finish, y'all done,