INTERVIEW: Paul Wall Talks New Music, New Grills, Conspiracy Theories, Swishahouse Music + More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Morning.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Everybody's Steve j n V Jess hilarious, Charlamage the guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
In the building. Yes, indeed, we got Paul Wall. What
did it do?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up, brother, I'm feeling a great man having to
be back with my dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Man, only see you on Instagram? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
haven't been here in a decade.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
No, I ain't been ain't bean quite that long.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
But you know what I'm saying, it's a decade. You know,
I don't know, man.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
I remember I was looking at the video the last
time I remember me and Slim Thug came up here.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We were talking about beat King. It was before he
kind of blew up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
And then when he blew up, you know that that
video kind of started going viral because we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Him, and of course he passed away recently, Rest in peace,
beat King. But you know it made me think. You know,
y'all always showing love to people.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
You're always giving people that platform to show love to
other people, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
So I just want to tell y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thank you all man, he look good, thank you, thank you.
The Grays get great with the players still players. You
know what they calling him?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
A Zaddy commented twenty twenty three, Houston Zaddy.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Just they voted me.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
You know what I'm saying, you know, because you know
how y'all age sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Too close regularly. Look, I look good at the filters book.
Yeah you met your wife that sit your ass down.
Damn Instagram. You know she the funny thing.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
She's the main one been telling me he don't die
your hair hair, let it be gray.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let you don't keep quick quick cutting the ball. You know,
I'm southside ball Fay.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
But you know, after a while, you know what I'm saying,
when it starts growing back, it don't grow back right.
So she said, man, you need to grow your hair out.
I thought she was just hating on me. I thought
she was just hate on me.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
But she would send me up.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
She was.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Chris Paul, I want to ask you about B King
since you brought him up. What was that lost to Houston? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
He had such a hell of a club run where
his name was a club god. That was the perfect
name for him. I'm talking about B King is somebody
who could have done a show for an hour straight.
And I'm talking about nothing but club bangers, back to
back to back to back to back. And when you
go to the club, especially anywhere in Texas, that's what
you would hear is be King all day long. As

(02:13):
an artist, you know, a homeboy, fellow artist. You know,
if I'm trying to do a club so he's somebody
I will call either to do the beat because he
makes beats as well, in order to come do the
hook or whatever. You know, he always would say some
you know, you know, funny stuff, this topical, whatever's topical.
You know when the when when the elevator incident happened
at the met Gala.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
He had a whole freestyle about that. Anything that is
going on, he's got like a topical freestyle.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
He'll do well.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Man, I'm talking about man, his club boy. I'm talking
about club god man, beat King, that man, that was
a perfect name for him.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Man. He rocked the clubs man recipe.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Peace to be King, absolutely And I didn't know you
had to say you had surgery. Yeah, oh you're talking
about my way law surgery. That same might like that
was about two thousand and nine in New Year's Eve. Yeah,
I had the gast Or sleeve. That's when you bought it.
Was that three fifty.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, I hit it. Well that that.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Was that was the tall t arrow. So you know
we can hide it. Well, you know what I'm saying,
I could hide it.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, what was what got you to that that weight?
Was it always eating?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Was it was you using drugs?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Like what got you there?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Man? I think some of it was lifestyle. Some of
it was, you know, a roller coaster, trying to lose weight,
taking diet pills, sipping serve maybe you know, drinking alcohol
all the other stuff too. It definitely messed up my metabolism. So,
you know, it was something where I would be on
a full fledged, like hard, tough, strict diet, strict regiment

(03:43):
of training, working out, and six months go by you
lose you know, four pounds, So it's very like deflating
and just.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's not motivating whatever the opposite the motivating is.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
But one of my homeboys, man, one of the one
of the biggest gangsters I know, he was like, man,
I want to go get that band. And I was like, man,
that man, you know, I don't know, man, I just
to me that wasn't something the gangsters did the players did,
you know? And he was like, man, now forget that. Man,
it's gonna save my life. You know you want you
want to die, you know, because he was going through
some of the same thing. He sipped a lot of

(04:14):
syrup too, he was taking dive pills, all of that,
and it was just a rollercoaster messing up his metabolism.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And when he win, he was like, say, man, I
want you to come.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I don't know if he really wanted to get it
or he was just trying to convince me to kind
of get it, because.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
He ended up not getting anything, but he was the
guy PI. Yeah, it definitely worked.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It saved my life, man, for only my only greatest
I didn't do it sooner, because man, if I knew,
I could have been skinny like this and I ain't
got to work out on nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't got to do nothing.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
But do you issue would have waited. Now that the
ozempic is real heavy in campaigns, I do see that,
and I'm.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Like, damn, maybe that's all I would have had to do,
and I could have I could have been Misspokes you know,
I'm trying to bespokes for the sleeve, but I ain't
no doctor.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Trying to pay me.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
How does it affect you?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Gidding?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
So you just not it's just not hungry. You just
get full real quick, real man.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
So like, for instance, last night, I had something to eat,
like a little gyro and I had two bites and
that was it.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was full, and.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I was gonna get the lap band. But the lap
band I know people who had it, and it either
stretches or slips, so they got to.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Get it removed.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
They gain their weight back, and I just you know,
I actually went to get to and the doctor was like, man,
look the doctor who did it was one of the
first doctors that ever did the lap band or sleep
any of that. He actually trained other doctors and he
was like, look, I done did over a thousand of these, man.
You know it ain't it ain't what you want. You
want to do this one. And I was like, all right,
same cost that. It really wasn't too much different. It

(05:43):
just the lap band. They put a little band around
your stomach. The sleeve they put a whole sleeve around
your stomach and they remove part of your stomach that
produced the hormone that makes you hungry, so I don't
I don't get it, Liketh.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Say there anything that you can't do or certain things
that you have to be careful about because of this.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
For sure, you gotta make sure you're eating your protein,
your nutrients, so your vitamins, because I don't eat that much.
So and if I don't eat, I will get like
a little tired, you know what I'm saying, lack of
energy just because you say, I gotta remind myself to eat,
you know, or else I'll get aheadache. I won't get hungry,
but I get like a little grumpy, you know, and
like Google be like hey man, here's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Other than that, man, I can eat anything, drink anything.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know. It's not like restricted where you can't drink
coffee or soda or whatever. But I will say this though,
spicy food definitely gives me a lot more heartburn than
it used to. You know, wife, you like to cook.
So it's like, man, that's the only the only tough
thing is now I can't really eat. I used to
enjoy eating.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I was gonna ask you joy, yeah, exactly. Now I
gotta eat to live. And I was eating for fun.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
I don't like heartburning at all age because heart burned
all age you don't know you having a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And now you know what I'm saying, I don't like that.
It's a little scary.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yeah, Now we haven't heard from you in a while.
Your fans like musically, so describe the energy of this
this album.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Now you on now.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's called Once Upon a Grind, produced by my boy
DJ Fresh and also g Luck beat On from Houston.
My boy Beans and Cornbread. My boy DJ Fresh did
most of the production. He's from the West Coast.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
He's real musical.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
He does a lot of you know.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Anything, keys or keyboards or synth or you know, guitars.
He plays every instrument. But it's a real musical, Like
just in the production, it's real motivating. Once Upon a
Grind it's all about just putting your best foot forward,
being your best self, you know, giving you all and everything,
you know what I'm saying, and just just trying to progress,
you know, even if it's a little by little, just
making progress in your life. You know whatever, you're setting

(07:39):
goals and just just just trying to accomplish them. So
that's just what the whole album is about. This is
what I'm trying to convey with the message. You know
what I'm saying with it Once upon a grind.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
You ever thought about going back and doing like a
whole project withwitsh your house artists like Mike Jones, of
course stugg a Thugger or Chamelionaire.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
You ever thought about that. No, You're still in contact
with them. May not be on them to do this
all the time. Man, First of all, let me start
off with the ball Slim Thug. Slim Thug is the
most like he is the biggest boss, but when it
comes to rapping, he's like, you know, like we'll be
like in New York and let's go to studio.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
He'd be like, man, go to the studio. Let's go
to the club. He liked the party, would like the party.
He'd be like, man, studio, we can go to the
studio anytime.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
He got a studio in his house.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
So, for instance, if I like, he's on my new album,
Hey I need you on my album bet single song,
he do it in fifteen minutes. So if we're in
a situation where it's like I'm a little different, like
I'm like, hey, we in New York. Let's capture the moment.
Let's go in the studio. Let's capture this energy and
do something. But Slim is like, man, we can go
to the studio any time. Man, there's no difference. We
go to the studio now or tomorrow. So that's Slim.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So Slim is not like really motivated to get in
there and knock it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Out, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yes, now if we tell him, hey, we got a
deal or we need to do this or whatever, yeah,
for sure, he motivated in like anytime we got a
deadline or something.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
But I done did that with Slim where we do
a whole entire mixtape.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
In the day. You know, I've done that with him.
You know, I've seen him do that plenty of times.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
So he's not really like pressure to let's get it going,
okay now, Mike Jones, Mike Jones all over the place.
He kind of making a comeback with his music. He
kind of was, you know, out of the scene for
a while. You know, in terms of shows, like me
and Slim, we tore all the time on the road
every single weekend. Mike Jones kind of took a break
for a while. Now he's coming back out, He's got

(09:20):
new music coming out. He's definitely on the road again.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Number. But actually, you know what, I think he's trying
to get it back.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I think I think they people still lost it and
then he's trying to get it back for some reason.
But because the phone number gets so many calls, it's
not like a normal bill. It's like an inflated bill.
So like I know, he'll get like a ten thousand
dollars phone bills. Like it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
But you said he was what was he doing during
that time because he was missing for a minute.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think he was just enjoying life because we would
see him every now and in the shows, and every
time we see him, he looking good. He's still rocking
and still killing it. But you know, we wouldn't really
see him in the studio too much or dropping too
much music. But now I know he's dropping some music. Now.
If we were to all do a project like that,
I'm pretty sure Mike Jones will probably be involved with that.
He probably will be down, you know, But I think

(10:10):
right now he's kind of more focus on getting you know,
his own solo stuff going, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
But I think he probably will be down. Come me
in there, man. Man, he ain't trying to do no music.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Man, he got so much money right now, whatever take
money he got, whatever investment is the crypto he got
he Look, let me tell you, I talked to him
about this all the time, because the way the music
industry has evolved. You know, he's not he's he's always
been this way way. He's not trying to give nothing away.
He really he really appreciates the value of his music,

(10:44):
you know, and he's not giving it away. He's not
signing the deal where he's getting screwed over just because
it's a good look.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Nah, He's not about none of that.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
He's straight business and he really values his art that
he creates. So you know what I'm saying with that,
it takes a certain type of label to sign him
who has the same vision as him, where they're not
just all about the dollars and cents, they're not just
all about just you know, whatever is gonna make us
splash or go viral.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
You know, he needs the right type of partner, y'all.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Wouldn't be signing with nobody at this point though. Yeah,
I mean, this is why I tell him.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Look, you ain't got it. We don't as a artist.
You don't even have to put your music on Spotify.
You don't have to put it on any of these
streaming where's free.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
You don't have to do that. You can put it
only for sale. You can make it.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
We can release an album right now and drop it
on CD. I don't know who got a CD player.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
He can create a website and do it only on
your le.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
On the website where we only sell it.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
We sell everything. I tell him, say, man, let's drop
an album. Well, we don't drop it till we got
one hundred thousand pre sales. You know what I'm saying,
Why not?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
You know, then we don't have to drop an album
ailwhere we don't get it. You know what I'm saying, Well,
it don't have to be like the just how the
trends are. We don't have to do that.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
And if you're not cool with giving your music away
or you know whatever, then we don't have to. And
but I think he's trying to like navigate, you know,
because he's he has a passion for the music. So
every now and then somebody will ask him Toby newig
Wad got him on a song with two Change last year.
Every nine and anytime I've ever asked him to do something,
he'll do it, you know. Same with Slam, with any
of us we asked Bunna be asking, He's gonna do it.

(12:13):
But he's not like, hey, I need to do an
album and I want to do this, you know. And
also he's like, you know, just the way that the
way the uh, it's like a microwave generation or just
not even generation, it's.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
A microwave errow we're in where it comes like this
and it goes like that.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
So you put your all into something, You put all
this creativity and thoughts and ideas you've had for years
that you finally put into fruition and put it on
an album and it comes out and then the next
week no one cares because they're on to the next
artist album dropping.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
He's just like Man's he's not really pressed to just
drop nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But again, if it was like something where it's like
all four of us or something, I think he probably
would do that, you know what I'm saying now, I
will say this too.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Somebody who's been in a group with command in that
where you split it fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Come in. There is a guy where it's like, hey,
look if it's four of us and we split.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
It twenty five, twenty five, twenty five. You know what
I'm saying. He's more like, say, man, look, why don't
we just drove solo albums? And yeah, So he's like,
you know, but it would take a special moment or
a special situation.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Or something like.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
This is what I tell him all the time, say, man,
we need to do an album or we need to
just make some music just so it's there so that
if something happens or something or whatever, that is just
it's just there, yeah, in the arch. And also, I know,
you know, when you stop and you try to come
back later, you gotta get back in shape.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
But if you never stop working out, you never got
to train, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, if you training for super yeah, of course
you're gonna train a little harder or you know what
I'm saying. But I'm just saying like, and that's why
I keep putting on mute've I've been putting on music NonStop.
But I just you know, it's more like on the
ground or you know, under the radar, you know, what
I'm saying not a whole lot of marketing behind it.
But for me on my music, it's more like I'm
just trying to focus on the music of it, the
music aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
And also I don't want to, you know, get I
don't want to get lost in the shuffle of I
ain't dropped the album five years, six years or whatever,
and then when you finally drop that album, the expectations
be so high.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
It it's like, man, if you don't meet.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
The expectations, is a complete flyp or failure.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, I'm just like, man, I'm doing what I love
to do. I'm making music with the people I enjoy
making music with. I'm still torn on the road, just
you know, enjoying my life making good money with it.
So I mean, I don't know if I mean, you
put that out there, so I might have to, you know,
I might have to rally the truths. You know what
I'm saying, everybody or you the glue that talks to everybody.
You're the main person that talks everybody.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I would maybe say slim Thug might be the glue.
You know, slim Thug is maybe even more of the glue,
I would say, But I mean, I don't know. I
don't have any problems with any of them. None of
us have any problems with each other, you know what
I'm saying. But we're all you know, we're our brothers,
so we support each other to the full us. Whatever
each one of us is doing, we definitely support, you know.

(14:54):
But yeah, i'd say SLIMP Thug might keep in contact
with all of us a little bit more than I do, maybe,
but well, you know, we all boys.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
What do you think led to switch the house not
having the impact they once had? Because think about it,
you're just named three powerhouses, right.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Well, I'm gonna tell you this, I've been you know,
salute to the DJs out there, Michael Watson, og ron C,
the two DJs that discovered myself, Common and Mike Jones,
SLIMPT the four platinum artists. They discovered us when we
were at our very beginning. You know, they didn't sign

(15:30):
us after we already established, after our had a household name.
They signed us and built yourself from scratch and turned
us into platinum artists. And that's very rare when someone.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Could do that to four artists, so big salute to og.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Ron C, Michael five thousand Watts and all the DJs
who helped us, but specifically them two.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Now we'll switch the house.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I can say what happened is the same thing that
happened to any other record label that ever existed.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
They never last forever, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Every record label eventually, you know, sometimes they reinvent themselves
with new artists, new sounds, new CEOs, new directions, but
no record label last forever, especially like if it's in
the same thing that happened to Rockefeller Murder Inc.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, cash Money is like the only one that
is still going. You know what I'm saying, Well, they
still going.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Hard, but you know what I mean, they to reinvent
themselves to do right old with young money or you know,
things like that. But I mean, you know, we had
a great run. So it's like, you know, it lasted
a great time. I wish it could continue, just because
I know the impact that the Swisher House had for
me in my career, and you know, I wish that
that impact could be made for another artist because I just.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Know what it did for me, you know what I'm saying,
But I mean it just it is what it is,
you know.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's just how the times go.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I know, Michael Watch still doing stuff he got I
think he got an app right now where you got,
you know, the chopped up music on there. I know
O g Rounci's still chopping stuff up, still doing music.
But in terms of both of them, like discovering and
developing new talent, I don't think it's really come to
that white yeah, but I think it might be getting there,
just because you could see you know what I'm saying, like,

(17:04):
you know, just that style of freestyling over other people
beats and just bringing some you know, your own, you know,
little flavor to somebody else's song. You know, there's just
so much talent out there that you know, all they
need is an avenue to show it. You know, you
get the right artists, you know, on that avenue and
the same thing having others is gonna happen to them.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
So I saw an interview where you had said growing
up you didn't realize you was white.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I didn't know. Yeah, it was like you white? Why
you why are you talking that like that? You white?
And I'm like, what where was this? Like? When was
some when were you I was like.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know, definitely in school, elementary school maybe or
middle school.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I remember that.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
But I mean all my friends were black or Mexican
or Asian. I lived in a very diverse neighborhood. There
was you know, it was white people there, but it
was you know, Mexican, Black, Vietnamese, Indian and all kind
of every any a lot of everything. You know, even
you know, it was like you know, fb a, you know, black,

(18:11):
but it was also like a lot of immigrants black
like Canadian and he's Nigerian. You know, there were other
you know, immigrants they were black as well. But so
we got a great mixture of you know, growing up
in America.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I guess to.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Be sure crowding c you ain't. But my mama did
take a DNA test.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
She three percent.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I mean I know that.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know she can't say the N word. That ain't
enough for say.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
You ever took it.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
No, No, not that my mama whatever wanted to say
the N world. By the way, you know, she ain't
never said that in her life.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Why you're scared to test? Because you're scared to test
because be too white?

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Nah, I don't really try, Like, no, I don't know
I really want to, but I'm just you know, it's
the conspiracy theorist. To me, it's like, I don't know
if they're going to use my data and they're gonna say, oh,
he's this and this and this, so that means he's
more susceptible to these diseases and they're gonna use it
to you know, I don't know. It's just I know

(19:19):
it might sound crazy, but it's just the it's the conspiracy.
Like I really want to get it though, but I'm like, man,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Man, Paul is a real conspiracy theorist though, But you
don't you don't even believe in dinosaur?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh no, why?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I just always thought they was fake. I don't know,
It's just I just I never believed that they existed.
I mean, I don't know, kind of once you realized
that Santa Claus isn't real, you know what I'm saying
to Easter Bunny not real, and it's.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just always thought
the dinosaur was a fake.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
You know, my mama she talked, we talked about it
because ever since I ever heard of you know, kindergarten
or whatever. It's like, man, I don't know that's make leave,
you know, But I just always just thought they were fake.
And every now and then I'll come across certain other
people like Marcellus Wiley. I remember Derek Bell, he played
for the Astros. I remember it was a fun fact
he didn't believe in dinosaurs either, you know. So every
now and I'll come across other people who, you know,

(20:15):
they're in on the hoax with me, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
But I don't know, when you think about stuff like
whales or elephants get like these big, magnificent creatures, it's
not far fetched.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I definitely think there's stuff in the ocean too that
we don't know about this, you know what I'm saying, bigger,
But I don't know. I just always felt like the
dinosaurs that they, you know, they show us aren't real
not you know. I watched a lot of ancient aliens too,
so they talk about dinosaurs being basically like big chickens
and stuff, you know what I'm saying, Or how we
look at him as being like lizards and reptiles. They
say they're more like they were like they had feathers

(20:48):
and they had other things. I don't know, I don't know.
I just I just feel like, man, I just don't
believe it, you know, I just I never believe it
or not.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
In South Carolina and North Carolina and like the late
eighties early nineties, people can still see terodactors for real.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Stop, I'm not even joking. Anybody out there can look
at me.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Right now, google it.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
They still were seeing terodactives ladies every night.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
And I remember being a kid and it was Live
five news and Live five news somebody had captured one
on video and then they told us it was like
a kite or robot or some shit.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And this was the eighties. I'm like, get the fuck out.
I'm like that he was on drugs, like eight.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm a hypocritical conspiracy theorist because I don't believe in
dinosaurs by one hundred percent believe that.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
It's like, Okay, I do believe like when we go
certain places, like I go travel like Mexico somewhere, and
they're like, oh, they still say this, this, this, and that.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I believe that, but I just don't believe in the
you mean chi Copra, Yeah, yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I mean, I don't believe in a lock of his
monster because it's been debunked.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
But you know what I'm saying, but the debunked the
debunkness also could be fraud.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know, I'm open minded about this.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Why you don't believe it? Like Monsa though, because I
would have dinosaurs, uh went underwater. I believe. I believe
there are things underwater. I just don't believe it's dinosaurs.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I just I just don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I'm open to the idea that they could exist. I
just I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I just I believe in aliens for sure. I'm heap
of criticalien.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Have you ever seen one?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't know, I mean not like Little Green Man
or something.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
But you know, like I said, I watched a lot
of ancient aliens so that they say the aliens among.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Us, we wouldn't even know.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
They say they're humanoid and this and that. So I mean,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
I know I sound crazy, but.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know you don't want to I want to go. Uh,
how did you meet Johnny Day? How did you get
to start selling speaking because you know, a lot of
people the first time they seen grills or people making
girls was from you and Johnny. I mean, I think
you you made a set of grils when we first
started the breakfast. Yeah, at at one point.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's time, it's time to come back.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I need to make y'all friend set. That's right, man,
Johnny Man.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I started off.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Actually, I was actually selling grills before I met Johnny,
and you know, I stopped to really kind of pursue
my music a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But my boy, who I was selling.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Grills for, he was he also was doing some music
and he was like, say, look, I need you to
do some promotion for me, and if you do promotion
for me from my album, I'm gonna take you and
introduce you to the plug so you don't gotta go
through me. You can have your own grill set up everything.
My boy Crime and he told me I did it
Promosa Farm was like, bet, this is a win for me.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
So I did it.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
From you know, I passed out as flyers for his album.
He brought me to Johnny and then me and Johnny.
You know, well at the time, I was just another
wholesale client. I wasn't like famous or nothing like that.
Even I was trying to wrap it, but I wasn't
like established. No, this is even before switch House days really,
so you know when he brought me to Johnny, I'm
just a wholesale client. Now as I start, you know,

(23:58):
rapping in the Swisher House. You know this pre internet.
You know what I'm saying, Nobody know what anybody look like.
They just kind of hear the voice and it's slowed down,
so you don't really hear exactly how it sound what
you might hear it now. I used to always say,
this is why I used to always say my name
at the start of everywhere to do was pa Wak,
because there's no you don't know who I am, but
you're gonna hear that.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
At least you gonna know my name. So one time,
you know, I being Johnny's all the time.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Were on the Southwest side of Houston, where okay, the
southwest side of Houston is very very very.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Immigrant like.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
What you call it.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's congested a lot of immigrants, and that's how time.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
So you've got a lot of different accents and it's
all English, but it's just different accents. Then also it's
the hood so you got a Mexican hood accent, you
got a Black hood accent, you got the Asian hood accents.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You also got.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
People from Louisiana coming in with the Louisiana accent, so
you know, and all of that, and Johnny being the
Vietnamese immigrant himself who speaks English.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
But it's let you understand those casters some time.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
He worked on it a lot, but some of it still,
you know, it's it's man, he definitely got his own,
you know, accent, but he uh, you know. It's funny
too because at one point, you know, as you know,
I would get record deals and stuff. Somebody gave me
a little a little CD how to lose your accent
like this, this kind of I guess for immigrants trying
to lose their accent. But it was so that I
would sound more white, so that I could be more

(25:23):
feeling in movies. And I'm like, man, I don't want
to sound like this. Man, I don't want to say they.
I guess they did it in good you know, good
good means. But I was like slightly offenive, you know.
But it's funny because Johnny had the same exact this,
you know what I'm saying both didn't use it because

(25:44):
I posted it, and Johnny.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Was like, bro, I got the same this man, it's crazy.
He might need the volume too.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
He got the first one edition.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
But now I would be in there and everybody would
be in there arguing with Johnny just because it would
be broken English to broken English to hood accents, you
know what I'm saying, and I would just be translating
English to English. And you know, eventually, one time somebody
was in there and they were at in matter of fact,
they was from Louisiana and they was like, man, you's
South familiar.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
What's your name. I was like, my name Paul Wall
and there's like from the Switch House.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
And this is when I first started, you know, a
couple of mixtapes here and there, and it was like yeah,
and then Johnny like, damn, you're famous.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
And I'm like, well, not really, you know what I'm saying,
but I.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Mean whatever, but that that kind of like I was
kind of like Johnny's first celebrity kind of you know
what I'm saying, even though I was. My celebrity growth
was at the same time, you know, as the jury growth.
But you know, I just it was a hell of
a hustle for me.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Me and Johnny clicky well in business together, business together with.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Great friends, family. You know, he's just a great guy too. Man,
it's a great guy to know. But definitely man, that's
my dog man. He changed my Lifey.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
People in Houston at an outgrow grils.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, you know, grill.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Let me tell you this, when grill, when we round up,
you know, the mid two thousands, you know what I'm saying,
there was a time where the fad or trend of
grills was dying down, especially as it became like you know, yeah,
you know, but you know, the next generation picked it
back up.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
And that when the next generation picked it up, it
was that that made it a forever cycle.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Now, if the next generation wouldn't have picked it up,
then it would have been like, okay, maybe we got
a wait twenty years or some ten years like any
other like bail bottoms, you know, I don't know. But
when the next generation picked it up, that kicked off
the cycle of This is the cycle of you might
as a you know, an individual outgrow grills because of
your age, but it's all of my frame.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I mean, Reggie Jackson got grilled.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
I made Regi Jackson some grills, you know, I think,
and we were talking about it, I think he might
be the most say I don't want to say, oh,
he might be the most seniors.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know person that we made grills for the definitely
Mad Triple og Regi Jackson.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
But after who's the oldest person you know that got grill?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
But definitely Regi Jackson that I know. But I mean
in terms of well, he was in Houston at the time,
you know when we did them. But I mean in
terms of Houstonians, I don't know. Once you get to
your fifties, you know what I'm saying, some people kind
of like But at the same time, there are people
who come in there like I just turn fifty.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I got my money right now, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I mean, like I said, some of it's in mind
frame because maybe you get into you have your jobs,
or you have different priorities where you're like, I ain't
worry about these grills.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm trying to get a new kitchen, you.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
But girls are expensive, the ones that you be having.
Oh yeah, did you have any influence on Megan's latest girls?
The one that she had a bigger in textio.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Man big shot out them.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Matter of fact, we got these same grills. They're called
the honeymoon set, Johnny. We made them, of course, you
know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's we called it
the honeymoon set because there's at least a carrot on
each tooth, so every tooth is a waiting ring.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
But she thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
How much would they cost, Well, it depends on if
you get if they're you know, on the sides of
the big stone.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
So you know these could you know.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Seventy eighty thousand, one hundred thousand. You know, I see
people say all kind of Lander's numbers.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
But you know what I mean, if you want to, I.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Mean I could charge you anything.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I can say this right now for a million dollars.
It ain't working million dollars. But I can sell tea
for million dollars.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So you know, I could say your grill for you know,
twenty million dollars, but it ain't it's worth.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
How many girls have you thrown away?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't want to think about it, bro, I just
I just found the ones you made for me. Lemon know,
we make them.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
You know what I'm saying, I know they might not
fit as time goes on, but I don't know how
that worked. Yeah, but you might know, Like, no, I
ain't playing no games. I just found a set of
grills I lost, though.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
These were my favorite grills, man to man. I just
found them.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I got my car painting, and when I got my
when I got my car back, my boy's like, hey,
these grills were, you.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Know, under the seat, And I was like, huh, I've
been looking for them grills for like ten years.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, I just found them.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
So, man, you know there's a there's still hope for
the other ones I lost, but I definitely lost quite
a few sets.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know, you're taking them out when you're eating this
other thing too.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
If I leave them in at all times when I'm
smoking when I'm eating, just imagine, okay, I gotta watch.
Imagine I dip my watch in the lattable and then
I did my watch watching some lasagna, and then I
did my watch and the whole thing of chewing.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Tobacco or so my own chew tobacco. But I'm just saying, it's.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Just for smoking, you know, so even it's just not
gonna you know, it's even if you get it clean,
it's not it's gonna tarnish, and it's you just don't
want to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
You know, it's not good practice.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
But Johnny is always on me by man, say, man,
take your grills out when you smoke, take your grills
out when you eat.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Because you leave your grills in all the time.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Well a lot of it be because we out in public.
You know, I don't want to take them out, you know,
like or you know, I mean even when I met
my wife, I ain't take my grills out. Like for
the first like six months you thought they was. I
sleep with them because this is how I live. Like
they weren't permanent. But I would sleep with them. I
would would, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I take them ot to burst my teeth and put
them right back in. I don't come with a smell.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
They don't come with all.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, as long as you take care of your high gienus, okay,
they don't.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yes, now, I would clean them with hydrogen peroxide or
baking soda or regular toothpaste.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
And like I said, I would clean.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I never had a cavity in my life until I
start drinking energy drinks and then I got cavities outside
of my grills, like wherever my grills or not. That's
why I got cavity. But before that, I never had
a cavity in my life, so I always had white preval.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
My mama. True that guys from Houston proposed with grills
in that ring. It doesn't have it that way.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
There has been a few, and sometimes the bride is
not is heavy, she's like, I don't want this. But
other times they're excited, you know, so we do that.
Sometimes we do his and hers, you know, for for couples.
You know, a lot of times it will.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Accompany the wedding rings, you know what I'm saying. So
so basically it'll be like you spend enough money on
the wedding ring and we can hook you up on
the grill, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Do you ever get upset that your name is not included?

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Like they'll say, maging this diary and got a grill
from Johnny Dang or Sauce Walker got a new half
million dollars changing from Johnny Dang.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ever I think about that. I mean, sometimes like people
will say, hey, why I ain't saying that?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Never never, never, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I mean, the goal of the mission is accomplished. The
mission was never for me to be famous or any
of that. Even the first time I sold grills, you know,
even up till now, it's not to make money.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's to who my homeboys up. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
When I first got When I first got my first
set of grills, I went back to the block, they like, damn,
where you get those? And we came with something new
where it was like, okay, I couldn't afford something I
wanted nice, So you know, I couldn't afford diamonds or
nothing like this.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I just want the gold white on.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yellow gold and give me like a white goat strip
on the tip with a little diamond cuts, so it'll
make you think I got diamonds, but I dun't. I
went back to the block and they like, damn, okay,
everybody want one. So I'm like, okay, how can I
get all my twenty homeboys and my cousins this, that
and what?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
How can I get everybody grills? You know, for the
same price I paid, or for a discount. I'm not
trying to make money off of I'm trying to hook
them much so that they shine, and so that when
we all pull up, we all like, damn, y'all must
be from go Bank, because all y'all want to go
thank shine like that.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So that's what it was all about, was just about
hooking my friends up.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
And then eventually that turned into a my friend has
a friend that want a grill, all right, will let
me sell it.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
To him make a little money.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
And Johnny started off as a wholesaler, so even him.
You know, when you wholesale it's a different price than
when you sell it retail. So the retail markup on Drewry,
especially grills, used to be three hundred percent, so you know,
Johnny would mark it up two hundred percent. He's still
making a lot of money because he's wholesaling it and

(33:33):
marketed up two hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
So, but of course all the other jewelers hate us.
They especially hate Johnny. All the jewelers hate Johnny because
he you know, I mean, he's the top dog. But
when my name not included, I don't even care about
none of that, honestly, because you know what I mean,
you know, I did my part. I put my boy on.
You know, he's the man that people want grills. They
come to him, and honestly, it'd be a huge headache

(33:56):
for me. They come to me they want free grills.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
You know what I'm saying, you know, like that, Johnny. Look,
I'm just sitting with you because they gonna they know
they're gonna pay what you with me. They think they
get free girls.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
So it's like, okay, look some people with freaka I
mean the honeymoon said, I don't know you're getting a honeymoon.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know, Meghan might be a little different.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Of course, you go Megan though, But you know what
I'm saying, like, uh, yeah, I ain't never worried about
that man to my boy.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Johnny, Dang whatd he look like under that?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Uh, I'm not gonna take somebody.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I've been taking my boy Johnny advice.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
So I do take I do take my grills out
and uh, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
When I smoke, but I got a little you know,
a little coffee stains in there, ain't too bad.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I'll take them out off cameras you can see and then.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
You can tell, you can tell you.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, So you know, for instance, like you know,
if I knew he was gonna ask me that I
probably wanted to clean them in he buffing real quick
ten minutes. They look brand new, but you know it's
been maybe a month, so you know what I'm saying.
I got word for smoking stains and coffee things.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I don't know, I'll show you off a camera.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I want to ask you about the Houston music scene.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Right when you think of Meghan Travis, Scott, Don Tolliver,
do you think Houston artists have to have a Houston
sound Saucewalker too, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
For sure, I got a Houston I mean, you know,
uh b salute to all of the fresh new artists
that are holding it down for Houston and for Texas.
I mean, the Houston style is so diverse, you know.
I mean, we do have a core sound or like
a core slang, a little accent, but I don't think so.
You got Toby newig Way where he's doing his own style.

(35:36):
You definitely hear the Houston in them though. You know,
Sauce Walker, he brought some completely new to the table
to represent He birthed a whole new branch of the
hip hop tree in Houston, you know with his style.
You know, he created a new Houston style with it,
you know what I'm saying. But even in that, you
hear the Houston. You know, sometimes he got some screwtin

(35:56):
chop here and there hook so he you know, makes
some references or he got know this and that, you
know whatever slavs of this. You know, he definitely got
some Houston influence in there, but he does it his
own way. Same with Megan, she do it one hundred
percent her own way. Don Tolliver, you know what I'm saying,
Travis Scott, They for sure represent Houston. They got that
Houston style, but they do it their own way.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
And they you know, they they.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Birthed new new versions of the Houston style the same
way like the Ghetto Boys. You know, we're Houston, but
you know, the screwed Up Click was a different kind
of form of you know, the Houston style, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
The switch House was like a you know, a product
of that. You know.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Of course, me being the screw head growing up influenced
by the screw up Click, you know, and then so
the people influenced by us who came after us, they
gonna be you know, definitely man, you know, but I
don't think they have to. You know, it's not like
a monolithic type of style where you know it used
to be like when we came up.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
If you didn't sound like this, you're not making it.
You're not making it.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
But there's a you know, there's a lot of artists
in Houston that you know, they come with a you know,
something different, but you still hear the Houston in them.
But it's just something different. And I said, I salute
them for just doing their thing, whatever it is. You know,
you gotta follow your path, and I just I'm happy
to see how it's grown. You know what I'm saying
that the hip hop tree is definitely flourishing in Houston.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I was gonna ask, you know, I can't think of
another market, maybe a land a little bit, but there's
no market that I see like Houston where so many
artists f with each other and you'll all come out
and you'll all support each other. Like I go to
Houston a lot, and I'll see you. I'll see Thug,
I see Key Key, I see Zero, I'll see you know,
all you guys out together. And why is that there?
Because you don't see that in New York. You don't

(37:31):
see that in Memphis. You don't see that. You see
it in Atlanta very little, but you see it in
Houston all the time. Like you guys, don't leave Houston.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
We definitely understand the importance.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Of the camaraderie and the unity fun b too, of
course for sure. And you know, we definitely, you know,
we understand that. So I think that's some of it.
There's a little competition, you know what I'm saying. And
the pie is only so big, so you know, people's
you know, everybody new to get added to the pie.
Everybody else's slice get a little bit smaller, you know.
But I mean that's just part of it. At the

(38:01):
same time, some people kind of get phased out because
they move on to other things, or they stop making music,
or they stop performing or just whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
But you know, the funny thing is, anytime we would
go to New York, you know, Miami, Florida, anywhere in Florida,
we go to Atlanta, we go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Anytime we go anywhere, the.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Local rap scene will always tell us, Man, it's crabs
in a bucket out here. Man, we need to stick
together like y'all doing Houston. They always would tell us that.
But then when we come back to Houston. Everybody in
Houston say, man, we got.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
To come together like they do in Atlanta doing Florida,
And I'm like, man, you know what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I mean, I think some of it is there's a
big entitlement of people expecting other people to do for them,
especially when it comes to artists. Say man, look, I'm
not a CEO, I'm not an an R. I'm not
trying to sign nobody and put nobody out. My strong
suit is being an artist. I'm not a good CEO.
You do not want to sign to me, you know

(39:06):
what I'm saying. But for some reason in hip hop,
we think, you know, another rapper gotta put us on.
I'm gonna be the first one to tell you man,
it was two DJs to put me on. So if
you looking for a deal, go find a DJ, not
a rapper. I mean, look, when you've signed to a rapper,
there are a few rappers who can become moguls or
be moguls.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Or whatever and spot talent and sign talent.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
But I mean a lot of the smoking mirrors of
the music industry is somebody already signed, they already got
a marketing campaign behind them, and they just quote unquote
signed to this artist to make it look good, you know,
but really they already signed the label art they signed
artists A, already signed artists B. And they just trying
to put you together to just build it up so
that they can get a co sign.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
You know, all the artists got a top notch executive
with them, Like for example, we ain't always had a
test yes you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, you got to somebody who's an an R or
somebody who can.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Like help put your stuff together, like and really a
bigger picture where they can just you can just do
your talent now.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
When there's a lot of you know, expectations and maybe
entitlement of up and coming artists, especially when they dope.
The dope they are, the more entitlement, it seemed like
they got you know what I'm saying, where they just
expect the world to know who they are and love them.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
But I don't know that route.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I don't know the route where the rapper signed you.
I don't know the route where you dope and all
of a sudden you snap a finger and you popping.
The route I know is you work hard, you get
told no, you keep working hard, you get told no,
you keep working hard.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And eventually you find a way. That's the route I know.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
So anybody you know asking for advice, I could give
you some great advice on that. Now, if you want
advice on signing to a rapper, you know, you a
rapper and you want to sign to another artist, I
don't know that round. All I know is horror stories
from people who signed the other rappers who little brow
them their whole life, took advantage of them their whole
life because they was established. And when you first signed
that deal, you signing up all your rights, all your

(40:54):
publishing and you know whatever, you know. So I mean,
I would advise against signing to another rapper, but I
mean that's just what we feel like we got to do.
So they'll be that's how they judge your you know
legacy now too as a rapper. Oh well you know
his legacy and that great because he never put nobody on.
And I'm like, well, you know, there's plenty of people
that me slim thug come in. There's plenty of people

(41:15):
with Mike Jones. There's plenty of people we put on.
They just didn't they didn't make it, and that's not
our fault. That's just how the nature of the industry goes.
Even for us to make it is THEMN there like
a lottery ticket, you know what I'm saying, And because
it's more than a one in a million. Man, there's
so many rappers out there these days that do not
make it. So for somebody to make it, man, it's
I don't know, I don't know what it takes, That's

(41:37):
what I'm saying. But all I'm saying is, yeah, definitely,
it's weird when a lot of people in Houston think that,
you know, we got to be like the other cities,
and the other cities think we got to be like Houston,
and all we really got to do is just keep
grinding the findal way.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I got another Houston question.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
We had Sauce Walker up here and he said that
artists he was talking about Drake use Houston for personal game,
not talking about Drake specifically, But you think that's valid
that a lot of artist hughes Houston for personal game
but don't really pull back into the city.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
I mean, I mean I think back to when DJ
Screw died, and you know that might have been the
first time I really realized it. And you go to
concerts and the artist comes in from another city. They
could be any city, and this is this would be
a regular thing. Every artist comes in, they go on
stage and they would say, hey, rest DJ screw just
to get the crowd hype and make the crowd like
love them.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Of course they say that we love them.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
But then you talk to them, or you hear them
in an interview or whatever or you and you realize
they don't even know what DJ crew is, they can't
stand the music, they don't like the coach, that they
just really doing that to try to like win over
the crowd. And it's like, damn, okay, Well, if you
really got love for this artist, that artist, why ain't
get no songs with him? Why ain't ever brought them
on stage? Why ain't never you know, hung out with them,

(42:44):
took no pictures with them? And you know why, how
come when you know the artists come to your city,
you got love for when you come to the city,
but when they come to your city, you ain't answering
the phone, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But definitely, I mean it's not just the Houston thing.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I think that's just it's just a you know, a
lot of cities do that, you know, because it's just
you're trying to get on you want to get love
in that city. So it's like, Okay, who's the popping
artists that I can shout out or what song is
popping right now that I can play?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
I mean, I think with social media, a lot of
the songs that are popping here are popping everywhere. You know,
it is popping there. You know, everybody's your neighbor now.
You know, it's not a lot of localness you know,
going on because of social media. But for sure, you know,
the artists do it. Some of the bigger artists, you know,
some of the more strategic, strategic and how they do it.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Some can hide their ulterior motives a little more than others.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
H you know, I'm like, I'm I'm split down the
middle on it because part of me I just appreciate
that we don't get looked down on like we used to,
you know, the Houston culture, you know what I'm saying.
So even if someone's faking it, I just appreciate that
they showing us love, you know. But then there's the
flip side of well, if you really got loved for us?
Why you ain't got no songs or no stars?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
This and that?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, then the other flip side is this, you
know some of these artists who they say.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
They don't have you know, all this person doesn't know songs, Well,
they do have songs with Houston artists, it's just not
you know, I don't know because I'm one of those
people where they used to always get on Travis Scott.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I gotta I'm on Travis Scott's song.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
So every time someone say, man, how come Travis Scott
ain't never putting a boy from you songs out?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
And I'll be like, well, damn, what about me? So
I make it just brought you off to Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
I mean the other side too, is that, you know,
when it comes to this, some of these artists be
on to come up, and you know, like I might
have had an opportunity to, you know, to do something
with this artists when they want to come up, but
for whatever reason, I don't.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Well, now the artist blows up. Remember that, I remember
that I lost my opportunity. That's my chance. You know,
there's a window opportunity. I lost it.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I mean it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
It's all good, you know, and that's not just with me.
That's what anybody is on and somebody trying to come
up under you.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
So but you can't put everybody on though, So yeah,
and like like I said, you can try your heart
ist to put somebody on and they still don't you know,
you know, we can't choose what the people gonna like.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Yeah, Now you dealt with a lot of traumas in
your life. And I was watching a podcast where you
sit down with Quincy and Fuzzy and you opened up
about your logical dad, who was, you said, a serial
child molester.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yes, what effect did that have on you?

Speaker 4 (45:17):
That had a huge effect on me one, growing up
with a single mother, having a very small family.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
It made us, you know, tight knit.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
It made me appreciate family, It made me always want family.
It made me aware I was hyper aware of you know,
like the molestation type of stuff, you know. And it
also made me become an advocate, you know, as I
got older in life. You know our teeno, my girl
Ms Parker from Parents Against Predators. We do a lot
in the community just in regards to that, but just personally,

(45:48):
what it did to me was from as long as
I can remember. It instilled something in to me to say,
I'm gonna be a good father. No matter what, I'm
gonna be a good father. I'm not gonna let anything
come between me and my kids.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I hope one.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I used to pray for one day to have kids
like I Literally I tell my kids all the time
on their birthdays, like, man, I used to pray for you,
you know. So it always would make me like want
to be a good father and made me want to
be the best father I could be. Also meant that
interview too. After that interview came out, I found out
I got a cousin because somebody.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Seen it and it was like, hey, we saw you
thought your aunt, no cousin.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You got a cousin.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
So, you know, I'm real grateful for that.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
I got to, you know, my cutshoute to my cousin
Jeana and her whole family of kids, all of them.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Man.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
But yeah, it definitely was something that you know, was
heavy on me my whole life. Also, you know, it
makes you realize that some people are walking around with
trauma and you don't know it, you know. So it
makes you, you know, just because somebody has a smile,
doesn't mean they're happy. You know, just because somebody has
a frown or a mean look doesn't mean they're mad

(46:55):
at you. They could be going through something. So you know,
it just it just it definitely taught me a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Yeah, and your mom was a strong woman. You said
your mom had y'all so scared that your dad would
come and kidnap you. Oh yeah, yeah, because he had
kidnapped the woman and married her.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, yeah, he kidnapped her. He kidnapped her a woman.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, this girl was twelve years old and he
kidnapped when she was fifteen. And I don't know, man,
he got some type of judge to sign off on
the marriage, took her to Canada. Then next thing, you know,
something happened. They came back. You know, it's a tragic story.
She ended up committing suicide when she came back, and

(47:34):
you know, it's sad. The crazy thing about dad is
that at that time, you know, we would see my
father on the weekend, my biological follow on the weekends
or every other weekend. So sometimes we go over there
and it'd be like, oh, his new girlfriend's over there,
and I'm you know, four years old, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
You know, but it's a twelve year old in the
wig would make up.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
You know. We know that now, but at the time
we don't know that.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
I'm just thinking, oh, this is my dad's you know,
girlfriend or something, and it's it's so crazy to think
like that. Damn you that close to you know that,
but you know, four years old, you do. You don't
even know what's wrong, you know what's going on, but
it's just it's it's tragic, just you know. Of course
that was my biological father, so it was hard for me,
but I mean, of course it's worse for the girl,

(48:17):
you know what I'm saying, or whoever he did something too.
So I never looked at myself like I was like
a victim or like even the trauma I experienced, I
kind of like put it under the rug. I feel
more for the victims that he hurt, you know what
I'm saying, Like, damn, like what about them?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I mean, I don't really look at it like my own.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
But for sure my mom she used to We used
to walk around with an air horn like tied around
my neck so that if you man, this is when
kindergarten cop came out to and then you get it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Man.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So I was sure terrified that I was.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Gonna get kidnapped. And I remember one time one time
me and my sister went home. He was like during
the summer or it was like something when my mom
was doing something and we just at home, and I
remember my biological dad came to the door, knocked on the.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Door, and I went and looked at the people, and
I remember being so scared. I could not move.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
I'm just sitting there just like, oh what do I do.
I couldn't move, and I'm scared to move. We're gonna
see me or whatever. Man, I'll never forget that. But yeah,
my mama definitely she had us prepared.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
You know what I'm saying. She had us prepared.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
The album effected album comes out this Friday, and what
is it still tip to a driving?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I mean it's still tipping to It came and went
like one show, we didn't do nothing.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, I mean we did.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
We did one show. You Mike Jones slipped up.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
I mean just it started off and we did the
Texans halftime show and I kind of said it, yeah,
I kind of said it like almost like as.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
A joke, like hey, we tour, but when we when
we said that, our phone started blowing up.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
We had people live and they all kinds of people
more a d everybody just hitting us, trying to want
to book twenty shows right now, how much I want?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Took ten shows, this and.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
That, but together we couldn't get it together.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
You know, I wish you could, but we couldn't get together.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
That's why you spoke too earlier about just kind of plan.
I did something like that, like before I got this job, right, I.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Was like, Yo, I'm the whole of the breakfast. Ain't
even pick me up, you know what I'm saying. And
then I thought I didn't get the jokes.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
I'm like, damn, maybe I should. I'm here today, ship
maybe we maybe we might get something. Were coming to
the famous club off Jones, Slim.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I got, I do I one more questions? She's my
last question? Yes, sir, little flip. I mean when t
I this little flip he mentioned your name in there, right,
I always felt like conflicted exactly. I want to ask
that because that's what kind of blew you up. And
everybody was like maybe the hardest grill level.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Yeah yeah, man, man, I remember being by you Classic
in New Orleans and people being like passing out flyers
and somebody saying, hey, I might have been passing out
my own, you know, my album or you know, buy
some grills. I remember people being like, paw, hey you
doing with T I like, and it being like, damn, okay,
they my boy got some reach, you know this when

(51:07):
he was just before he blew up.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Of course he got reached. Now he just reaches. But legend,
that was the hard.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Part because me and Flip being friends too as well.
It's like, damn, of course Flip gonna feel a certain way.
You know, he's gonna be like, damn, you're rocking with him.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
That's how it is.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
And of course he's gonna feel a way. There's no
way he couldn't.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
And you know I could be like, well, yeah, we're friends,
but I'm not choosing inside, I mean, I don't know
what to do, you know what I'm saying. It just
put me in a tough situation. I mean, the way
I dealt with is I just you know, laid low.
You know what I'm saying, Try to stay out of it.
I really tried not to do too much explaining publicly
because a lot of times that just make it worse.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
It seemed like, you know, but it definitely put me
in a hard spot, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Good for business, though, it was good for business, definitely,
definitely t I definitely gave when he gave me that,
I turned the bling down in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Oh yeah, definitely was good for business.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
But but I mean, at the same time, Little Flip
probably was like, man, I ain't never get no grill from.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well. I mean even then he wasn't getting them from me.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Johnny was still kind of making them, but you know,
he was getting them from the other people or whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I definitely would make him a grill. Flip on the grill.
I got you, bro, I got you to speak, yes
for sure. Matter of fact.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
But one of the songs on the album swang Down
with Zero. We recorded that song on Zero's birthday of
this year's birthday. His birthdays like January twenty JANIU twenty first,
I think it's twenty first, And we recorded it at
zero house.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
You will say, say, man, my birthday, come to the house.
We drinking and ating. Come through.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
I said, came through, and you know I had the song.
He's like, hey, let's not got this song. A little
Flip actually was his engineer.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
It recorded it. I see Flip all the time for
the show man Flip. We boy. He's still my big bro.
Of course he came were the same age, but he
came out before me.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You know. He definitely put on for Houston a lot,
you know what I'm saying. But you know, even still
when I see if was like, damn, I hope he
ain't hold it over my head. But if he do,
I mean, I can't blame him because I get it,
you know what I'm saying. But you know it's that's
definitely my boy, man. You know, it ain't no hard feel.
It's on my side. Of course, if you want a
gril I got, I got you flipped up man, you know.

(53:05):
But yeah, it's definitely definitely made it a little weird.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Let's get into a joint off that what you want
to have.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Let's play this swing down Me and Zero powwall and Zero.
We flipped at s W V. Rain my boys beans
and cornbread. They produced it. You don't got my boys
Zero on there with me.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Let's go, let's get into it right now. It's poor
Waller albums out this Friday. It's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning,
wake that.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club