INTERVIEW: Teyana Taylor Talks 'Escape Room' Album & Short Film, Vocal Cords, Aaron Pierre, Co-Parenting +More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't every day waiting click yours up the breakfast club.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You don't finish for y'all done morning. Everybody is the
j en Vy just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. Lawa Rose
is here as well. We got a special guest in
the building.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Indeed, the bully is back period. She has to curse
me out in about a month.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
By She is a very nice person who just knows
what she wants. She came in the room and literally
turns into Spiked and started to change the camera and
camera that makes her bully makes your boss.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
But she hadn't curt you out.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
You can't talk. I thought you couldn't talk.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
I still can't. That's why she can't be that loud.
See that's what I'm saying. I need we need all
the tones to be down. You know, I wanted to
see y'all. I feel bad seeing everybody else and not
seeing y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be so dry.
Press because this is.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
The way you press up because you can't talk back.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah, because y'all his want to be up at nine
o'clock in the morning. And I just landed and I
was like, okay, yeah, this is not gonna happen. But
I wanted to be able to fully be able to,
you know, just chill, hang with ya, because y'all like
my family. So I didn't want to be anything that
was rush yeah, and we happy escape room. I'm taking it.
I'm taking it easy. My doctor said, I can talk
because you don't have to do all my autograph signs

(01:19):
and stuff. But she's just like, take it easy, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
So for those that don't know, why did you need
the surgery, what happened? Break that down of what it does.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
So I have polyps on my vocal cords, and it
was actually really really bad. It looked like a pearl
just sitting on my like my vocal cords didn't even close,
so it was like air going down my vocal cords.
And that was kind of like what it was. So
if you notice even last week how gone my voice was,
and it had been happening for a while, but I
just thought, Okay, it's cold. I don't like being cold,

(01:50):
So anytime it's like cold, I think, I'm like, maybe
I'm just sick of something. But I don't really get
sick like that. So when I was recording the album,
I'm like, why is this so hard? Like maybe it's
the pain, you know what I'm saying. It's like maybe
I'm just singing my heart out and it's the pain.
And it's like, no, bitch, my vocal cords. It's like
really struggling, you know. And I think in the midst

(02:11):
of like recording and then dealing with personal life and like,
it's gonna be a lot of hurt, a lot of
trauma to the vocal cords, you know what I'm saying.
So I think doing both at the same time was
a lot.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
When you heard that from your doctor, how scared were
you or like how nervous were you about like what's
the coming next?

Speaker 5 (02:29):
I mean I was so scared because, you know, getting
a surgery, you know, literally two weeks before your album
drop is like okay, so really a week before the
album drop, I'm like, Okay, what am I gonna do?
First of all? Second of all, if I don't do
it now, I'm not gonna be able to have to
do it later and I'm not gonna be able to tour.
So it's like, do I do it now and shut
my ass up throughout this album and just get creative

(02:51):
and do like silent promo or like wait and then
not be able to go on tour, which I already
knew once the album drop. My supporters wasn't rolling with
me not going on tour, and you know, I have
the movie one batle after another. Then I got all's fair,
then I got ripped, you know ben in Matt. So
it's just like I can't be on like a worldwide
press tour for a movie and not be able to speak,

(03:12):
you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, this is
really the only real time the album is done. Let
the album speak for itself and just do what I can.
And that's why I rushed to New York. So, you know,
doing all that press in New York that was in
the span of a day and a half. And you know,
I still had the listening parties with with my my
my day one fan, so I had to knock out

(03:32):
a lot in the day and a half.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And what was the reason? Did they say what the
reason was? Do they know?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, just trauma to the vocal course. But that's something
that it takes like that takes over time to build,
you know. So they had to surgically go in and
get that outcause she's like, I can give you steroids,
but it's not gonna help. It's only gonna be thirty percent.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You know, even when you're saying it's not like you
like you.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Vocal cord, because it's like you still have look at
one thousand and one, Look at all the heavy rolls
I have to do. You know what I'm saying, have
to do heavy rolls and then you already know a bit,
just gotta do your voice. So it's just like I
gotta cry. But it's like, even though I don't yell,
I do have a deep ass voice. And even just
being from New York, we naturally talk loud. So imagine
just being passionate and like being in an emotional state

(04:15):
and crying out loud and just you know, it takes
a lot of that. Look what I've been through and
just even with the album and just with you know,
my past experiences in music, I've had a lot to
cry about. I've had a lot to scream about. Sits
your head and what you're doing and shut out you
know what's crazy. And I'm like Adam Zandler, like with
my children, they don't take me serious. Yeah, Like im

(04:38):
cause to see movies and then to have your own
little people that do the things that you see in
the movie when you was growing up. It's funny. I
don't take nothing serious, so it's never really like I
don't have that. That's not the dynamic me and my
children have. And honestly, all I gotta do is make
a face like I mean, they are so disappointed to
know that they hurt my feelings, you know what I'm saying,
So I don't even have to scream at them.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
That's why I undertand why y'all always telling me to
grow up because you don't take nothing serious.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
You know why. I know why because I play a lot,
but I'm also an impact. You play when it ain't
the time.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Sorry about it.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
You play when it ain't the time. You know why,
because you are such an iconic voice. You have to
understand that your joke. People don't know how you play.
People don't know how you play, so then what you
say is like yeah, because even Charlotte and it's just
like Nigga, that's why your phone be getting called getting
cursed the fuck out because yo ass. And it's crazy

(05:33):
because even when we're on the phone personally, he plays
like that, but it's like he's like, na, I feel you,
but it's like the world don't know our dynamic. The
world don't know his personality. And you got to know
Charlottagne to know that he'll roast you all day, but
like love you so hard. You feel what I'm saying,
but it's just like everybody don't know that. So it's
like when you are playing with people's lives and you know,

(05:54):
ship not funny.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
You know what I'm saying, knock at off. I really
do love what your daughter said at the end of
the album. And it's interesting because you never really know
what somebody is going through, Like when was the moment
that you that you bounced back from everything you was
going through?

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Well, you know you back, honestly I did. If you notice,
like you know the album is recorded in order, you know,
like the first half, well, the first three songs is
a song, then the next three songs is a song.
You see, we go from like heartbreak to like you
already know that after heartbreak that like rebound stage where
it's like I just want to I don't want to

(06:33):
be in love, I just want to feel. I always
want to feel something make me forget all this shit.
I don't want to talk about. I just want to
feel something. Then that next stage of like hold on
feel was just tingling a little bit bit. For going on.
This wasn't my being go card, you know what I'm saying.
And then you know, you start to just say, okay,
well we're here now, Okay, like let's let's let's throw
the bricks away, not walking around with bricks to build

(06:53):
the wall, Like I'm just gonna love fully allow myself
to do that. And then it's just like once you
find that person that helped you through that, now it's time.
Of course, you always want to do self work. But
like when you are being like handled a certain way,
it just makes you look at everything. Like Junia said,
you shine a little brighter, you know, the sparking your
eyes back and different things like that. So sometimes you

(07:14):
just need that inspiration to get back up. So I
was recording in real time. Yeah, I was recording here,
and the short film shows that. It shows it tells
that story right like it starts off and shout out
to Lakeith Stanfield. Oh my god, they killed that.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
I'm married.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
I can't be doing all that, but yeah, shout out
to him and then also all the monologues, right did
you right? Yeah, yeah, me and my partner Coco. You know,
we got our production company to Auntie's production and we
actually wrote this first, like in real time. I'm like,
this is how I wanted to go. So I've seen

(07:53):
a few people like complaining about the narrations, like oh,
it's just too much. But it's also because my visual
dropped late. So it's like it was this was always
a visual album for me first. However, I'm not complaining.
That's a good complaint to have because you know, people
don't really give me a chance in the music space,
you know, So it feels good to see people be like, oh,
well the song is too short, or the narrations like

(08:14):
it's just a but it even has some minority you
know what I'm saying, like the number one R and
B right now like top ten overall, and it's just
like it feels good to be seen and heard in
that space, and you know, it feels good that people
are appreciating the movie, Like people's like, you know what,
I listened to the album first, and then when I
went to see the movie, was like, oh wish I

(08:35):
got to run this album back, you know what I'm saying.
So sometimes it's because it's an experience. It's it's a
it's a cinematic album, and it was always meant to
be that way.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Back to life on the album, right, so what back
to life? But there's something that said on that song,
how does memories?

Speaker 5 (08:50):
It's she said, new Dick Memories is what I need?
Because if you know, if you because if you notice, okay, no,
because if you if you notice, y'all can't be making
me laugh like this. But if you notice, the song
starts out like you know, we're sad, and it's like, Nigga,

(09:13):
I feel like Jack dragged me up on that door
with you. You feel me like, nigga, you just gonna
let Jack drown, you know what I'm saying. But then
it's kind of like you you gotta get in that
space of wait, fuck is wrong with you? You fe what
I'm saying, like, because now this is dragging out a
little bit too long. You feel what I'm saying, like,
let's let's let's feed this up. So then Tasha Smith
coming and that one was actually a freestyle. She left

(09:33):
me a voice not I know that one was freestyle
she left me a voice not and she called me,
and it's just like, you know, these are all women
that running into them after something so public and so
humiliating and hurtful. You know, the woman that you ain't
gonta say two words? That's that come here? Mm you good?
You know what I'm saying? And those are those are

(09:54):
the women that I leaned on. So it's like these
narrations are very special to me because these are the
women that gave me those silent hugs. Didn't have to
say a word, you know what I'm saying. So like
this is my experience and you already know I'm a
creative so I'm gonna overdo everything that I do and
I want to always, you know, give my all.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
How difficult was it.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Doing this project because you I've known you a long
time and your personal life and outside of.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Music is very quiet.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
You keep to yourself, but in the last couple of years,
your life is bounced there.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now this album is your life. How difficult was that?
I mean that part in your life with the world.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Y'all know how difficult it was for me because you know,
I am a quiet person and I'm private just because
I've had shows and stuff like that. I mean, I'm
not a private person. I share what I want to share.
I've been up here a few times where you know,
I was already dealing with what I was dealing with,
and nobody ever even knew, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So down because I came out like a week after
and you was, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
You know what I'm saying. I held it down. And
you know, people get tired. People get tired, especially when
like others are being on your heart, when they know
your heart and they know the things that you know
push you to is they're gonna keep poking at that,
you know what I'm saying, And sometimes you bite the
bait and it is what.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
It is, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
It's it's it's tough. You know what I'm saying, It's
very tough. And that's why I try my best to,
you know, just be as cordial as possible. Like I
don't be wanting no smoke, you know what I'm saying.
These kids come first, and that's been the main reason
why I've wanted to keep everything private, no matter how

(11:35):
ugly or how sweet, keep it keep it private. You
know what I'm saying. And so my job is to
protect them no matter what. And I think that's where
like I keep, you know, just trying to hold on
and hold it down. But I think this album was
a beautiful way to express myself. And yeah, just just

(11:56):
move forward, just continue to move forward. What I know,
what I noticed was like, you've had a lot this year, right,
four movies, an album, and then your visual and then
your performance at the BET Awards. It was a lot
of press surrounding you whenever I've seen you on this outlet,
this outlet, that outlet, right, And it just seems like

(12:18):
it's a pattern, right, every time something drops with Tiana
is in the headline, so oh this movie, that movie, Right,
it seems that it's always something that is dropped on
Emand's side right where it's like, oh but this happened,
and it's something about the court or something about the divorce. Right.

(12:39):
Almost every single time one of your every single time,
is celebrated for something. But that was a part of
debate that I bit and I hate to even have
to talk about this. I don't want to make this
a long thing. But you know, that's even why I
hopped on live because it's just like y'all know how
quiet I am, and even when the other party be

(13:00):
dead ass wrong, I'm still defending, protecting all of the
things because we have a daughter on social media and
I don't ever want to be anywhere speaking down on somebody.
But people get tired at this point, JUNI, when you
get older and you want to ask that question, I'm
just gonna have to break it down, baby, because I'm
not about to keep being played with. You know what
I'm saying. I'm not about to keep doing that just
on the strength of Oh, Tiana hate social media, so

(13:22):
let me poke on social media because I know she's
not gonna say nothing. I think that the live really
like woke niggas up, like, oh, you know what I'm saying,
because I would never do nothing like that, you feel me.
So it's just like, come on, this is crazy because
even with that, it's just like I'm sitting here defending
some shit that came out a year ago. But when
it came out and by the Vogue world, that shit

(13:44):
was going crazy, so it didn't stick. Then I do
I post a picture on Oscar Weekend, the same rumor
comes out, but now it's like really hitting differently because
it's assumed that I moved on, like, oh, she moved on,
but yo, she took this person for everything. And it's
just like now I'm being called out my name, like

(14:06):
I'm like wait what what? And then I took this,
I took that. I'm like wait what, I'm confused. You know,
it just seemed like you had to pay a seventy
thousand dollar bill for you defending yourself and it was
the best little coin I ever spent. I mean it.
But when I say I want to get put through
the batchere's peace as listen, people, it wasn't even the

(14:33):
technical stuff. It wasn't even the technical stuff. Why do
you try to talk softly? I just feel like.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
The energy right now what you mentioned Junior, what questions
or how she asked you questions yet? Or like what
questions did she beginning to ask?

Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean no, she had to ask questions because I've
been holding it down. What I was saying was like,
I feel like because the people in my life know
that my children come first and that I don't like
social media, Like my social media anxiety is through the roof.
Imagine like dragging it to the point where I'm like
forced to do the thing that scares me the most,

(15:11):
so even being alive, having to speak my truth, not
just my truth, but the truth. Really it hurt me
to have to do that, and it hurt me to
have to do that because I reached out to that
person before I even had to do that. You feel
what I'm saying. So it was the reason why I
went on love was because like, well, like I've been

(15:33):
protecting you by staying quiet, and I'm like, well, that's
what I.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Mean, like just talking about when you go to him
and you say, look, man, I guess I'm not accusing you.
But every time I got some good shit coming.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Up, oh no, I mean, do one even better. I
thought we were. We were on great terms. So I
was like, hey, baby daddy because we was going to
the baby Dad baby mom. So I'm like, hey, baby daddy.
So something's coming back to me that you know, you
and your people is sending out stuff. I said, but
it's really hard to believe that because we're in a
really great space. And I kept saying that, like, we're
in a really really great space. So I don't see

(16:05):
what your angle would be. On top of the fact
that you know that what's being put out is not true,
and he's like, oh, nah, I thought it was you.
So then that's when I was like, well, what would
I gain out of looking like I took a black
man for all he got when you know, I spent
my heart or money on the things that I have,
and you too, like you know what's up? And then

(16:27):
he brought up some breakup shit from like, well when
you did da Dad back in twenty huh, how did
we get here? You feel what I'm saying. So then
he was like the only part I'm mad about is
that they didn't show boom boom boom. And I'm like, oh, yeah, okay,
I know where we staying, because why are you mad
about what part they did and did not show, which
means that who sent it? But with all the movies

(16:50):
I got coming up, and it's just like even being
in this business where a divorce gets ugly, you think
I want to be working with a producer that's holding
a venetta against me because he's like, well my wife
did the same thing. Oh I'm I'm not doing that,
And especially when you got to see certain money leave
you at counts like you try to do exactly what
I paid for that could affect.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
You in Hollywood too, because you know these film people
are like, this is always drama every time we announced something.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
But what did I say when I went all up?
I just wanted to be left alone. So even with
the seventy thousand dollars thing, I didn't, I wasn't held
in contempt for what I did. So them saying, oh,
Ymon had direct evidence. The only evidence was me going live.
You feel what I'm saying if we really keeping it
a being. They were very technical and this part is
not this last court day, it was not sealed. But
let's look at the at the pattern. We went to

(17:34):
court July twenty fifth. This thing about me paying him
seventy thousand dollars or his lawyer seventy thousand dollars came
out a week before my album drop. This is when
hard Park came out with Joe and Jada and the
song was going viral and everybody was like, yo, this
song is fire. Now five minutes later, Gianna is ordered

(17:55):
she's held in contempt DA. So now I was looking like, oh,
so she went on live and live and it's like no,
it was technicality. Keep in mind, I don't even allowed
to defend a skit that he did, So you did
a skit. But then they pretty much said in court, yeah,
this the skit was back in June. The skit was
it was a few weeks after the divorce. So then

(18:16):
it was kind of like his lawyers argued that, well,
the person in the video said it. First of all,
his lawyer didn't even want to admit that the person
in the video stated an amount of money that was
being paid, right, But then once he got caught up
in that and he mind admitted that the person did
say that, then he was like, what did come from
Emon's mouth directly? So your evidence pretty much is objected.

(18:40):
And then I had a witness who came with actual
receipts that they were being paid to have a smear
campaign against me. You feel me, This is not Seal.
This is not Seal. The only thing I got in
trouble for was when we went into details about yeah
and stuff like that. You feel what I'm saying. However, again,

(19:03):
would I stand on and you already know I do
have a strong male fan base as well, you know
what I'm saying, And there was a lot of men
that were really hurt thinking that I did this to
another black man. I'm not rolling with that, which I
had a majority of people that's like, yeah, she deserved
like she deserved it. Get your coinsis and it's like
I could have just rolled that wave, but I'm not
okay with that because that's not the kind of woman

(19:24):
that I am, you know what I'm saying. So it's
just like, no, I'm gonna speak my truth because this
is gonna what's gonna happen When a movie premiere come out,
this is going this is gonna releak that Ohianna had
to pay em on seventy thousand, and then when this
magazine come OUTA had to pay you mon it. It's
every single time something amazing is going on in my life,
it's something about this divorce. It don't be nothing else.

(19:45):
I'm never in nothing and keeping mind of divorces already
a year old when the rumor redropped, So it's kind
of like, yeah, but let's not make it seem like
Tianna went to court and if I was holding Katana,
I would have been fine and or I would have
been jailed. It literally says in the papers that like
I have movies coming up so I can pay it

(20:07):
because he pretty much was in court showing his financial
situation and stuff like that. So it's kind of like
to pretty much punish me because I have to push
me up because of my accoladeses is insane. However, if
it's gonna give me my peace and we can be
done with this for good, I've sent that Why You
So Fast? I sent that Why You So fucking Fast?

(20:30):
That was the best little coin I ever spent in
my life because I never have to deal with this again,
and I will never allow a person to silence me
because that's I'm not no, I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Not gonna ask you what exactly are you trying to
escape from with this project?

Speaker 5 (20:44):
But boy, I know now I just want my peas
like where I was in that last song with Junie
en Route is where I want to stay. However, I
don't want to keep doing this pattern of every single
time something's going on, something else is dropping, and then
it's redropping like its brand like it's brand new. You
feel what I'm saying. So let's be clear. My evidence

(21:05):
was objected and they considered it. It's technically hearsay, she say,
like if it didn't come from from his mouth direct
or his phone direct he didn't do it, and it's like,
who the fuck is gonna leak something directly from their phone,
So don't make it seem like Tianna didn't have evidence,
because Tiana came in with a whole witness that had
the text messages that this is what it was. And

(21:26):
then also the skit was all over, which he deleted
the skit a few days before court. But that man
took Repollman. You had to get that lady. You had
to get that lady. Boo boom boom, And he like, exactly,
So why is it that I'm going on live to
defend that, Like, if anything, you're confirming stuff and then
now is a hearsay. If I would have known that
I could have somebody sitting next to me and speak

(21:47):
my truth without getting in trouble with it, I would
have had somebody sit next to me and say, hey,
say that I did this, I pay for this, I
pay for this, I pay for that boom boom, and
let that be that you have that piece now though,
But yeah, I do, I absolutely and I had that
piece even up until a week before my album and
then the rumor dropped and I'm just like so it's
gonna be continue to be a pattern, which it has

(22:08):
been for the last two years. And that's another thing.
People think that this divorce is only a year old. Baby,
We've been divorced for two years. So even say, oh
she moving too bad, but boo boom, it's just like
what you what you want me to do?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
It's life?

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, yes, because you know I don't I don't bother
nobody and most importantly I'm an impath, so I do
be getting caught up in a lot of like the
moment I think we cool, I'm like, you know, because
my muscle memory is like, you're my best friend for
eleven years, we still was married. We're not gonna rewrite

(22:42):
history like this didn't happen, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like my muscle memories still always have love
for him, and I'm not in love with him, but
still got loved for him, and that's still my family.
So like I came to you on some like hey,
what's up, like this is and you made it an argument,
so it's like, oh, you're still mad. You feel what
I'm saying, And even in court he admitted on the stand,
like I don't care about Saty has nothing to do

(23:04):
with me. Like it was very very nasty and it
was very hurtful. You know what's crazy. I get that,
And guess what, even through that, I still don't understand
and that that's my family, that's my family. I understand that
you're hurt. But at the same time, if you're hurt
and you're going to act that way, then leak that too.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
You know. The hardest thing for a man admit is
just simply my feelings hurt.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I mean, but you know what, you know, the hardest
thing to do is admit that, like I lost this
fear and square, I'm hurt that I allowed myself to
lose this. You get what I'm saying. I'm hurt that
this did not go my way up that's it.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
And talking about you know, let me have my piece
and get my back blown out in peace. Man was like,
God damn, did you have to.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Say that.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Being blown And now that would sitting on stand someone
I don't care about, Ain't you a little line? Ain't
nothing compared to him still stand someone I don't care
about our safety? And I was very consed. And then
he did admit that it was that him fouling emotion.
His motion had nothing to do with me going live.

(24:17):
His motion was saying I took the kids from him,
all that stuffy. He admitted that it was just retaliation,
like oh he he he. He did his one in court.
You feel what I'm saying, and it was just like, okay, cool.
But how it works is just because it's in the
court system, don't mean that it is true. The same
way when he found that motion, he found it on
met gala Monday when I was hosting a carpet. So

(24:39):
it's a thing where yes, technically anybody would feel like
it's you, because even the proof that I had were actual,
you know, like fouls of him, his proposed plan for
the whatever the situation was, that could have only come
from his side. I don't have what you proposed. You

(25:01):
feel what I'm saying. So of course when you when
shit is coming to you, it was like you would
think that, okay, cool, I'm about to just I just
want to be left alone. I even made it clear
in court. I'm like, I never said I wanted to
demanda jail. I didn't even want legal fees. But you know,
when lawyers go at it, they gotta they want to
ask for the most I sit on the stand. I
don't want legal fees. I don't even want to be here.
And for real, I remember you getting online telling us, well,

(25:24):
not not us, but like the internet, like, yo, don't
play with my best friend. You feel me like remember that,
like she don't play with my best friend. That's still
my family, that's still my gun. And even this we
was and even at that point when I made that post,
we weren't in the best space. It's just he was
caught up in some scandal and it was just like, Oh,
everybody's gonna be looking at me like do do Like

(25:45):
I'm just I'm like, listen, I'm gonna do this so
you can do you in peace. Like I don't want
no parts of this because I'm here at you know,
fashion week, and I got to be around press. You're
putting me in a position where somebody can potentially ask
me about why you in this bathroom with these half

(26:07):
naked girls, or you know whatever. You feel what I'm saying.
So it's just like I don't even pop on the
internet unless I'm on the internet, protecting my family, protecting
my home. So reaching out to you to tell you
to stand up for me as I've done for you.
The fact that you couldn't take five minutes to stand
up for me, but you could take five, six, seven,

(26:27):
eight pages to foul emotion tens and thousands of dollars
a foul motion when it took five seconds to say,
this is cap me and Tianna is having. You know
we are great with our co parenting. She walked away with, well,
she walked away with. I walked away with I walked
away with we both put a lot of time, love
and money into boom boom boom like that took that
was You're gonna have to use your voice for that.

(26:49):
So to go in court and say I demanded you
to stand up for me. I didn't demand you to
stand up for me. But where I take accountability as
I bit debate, you feel what I'm saying because I
got poked and poked and poked and poked and poked
into our road And then it was just like he
knows that because I remember even when y'all had to
show y'all reality show, he is said in a confessional
that I think he was asked like what gets under

(27:11):
your skin? And he said, oh, seann't like what I
messed with on Oh you get into with you in
social media? Yeah, like they was like, what gets under
my skin?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (27:19):
It was the GQ Couple's quiz and it was like,
you know, what do you do to get under my skin?
And pissed me off? And he was just like, get
into with you on social media. I know how to
piss you off, Like he know my social Like even
sitting here, y'all know my exact even before I come
up be like, oh my gosh, I don't like this
kind of stuff. I don't like mess you feel me.
So it's just like if you're saying that while we
happily married, what you what is your behavior? When you

(27:43):
hate me? What is your behavior? And we're not in
the greatest space. And the thing about it is, I
haven't told one lie on that live you feel me.
But it's just sad because, like I said, we have
children that's on social media and you don't care how
it looked at the expense of nobody. All that matters
is you And that's the part that's said. And honestly,

(28:04):
it was just like my last straw, like we communicate
on a parent talking app that all that texting over
the phone is dead, we talk on the app. Have
to do anything with these kids, and that's that. And
if you know, Junior have questions and that's just I
can't avoid that. I'm gonna have to have an adult
conversation with her because exactly she's growing up and then

(28:24):
eventually she's gonna get to age where she's dating and
she needs to know, like, you know, the power of grace,
but not letting people abuse your grace, because people will
abuse and use your grace, and people will bank bank
on your heart and they will bank on all of
that because they never knew it would be you.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
You know, it's interesting. But I'm listening to you talk
and I can hear the freedom, so it's like, damn,
you really did escape. Like this is like a whole
new chapter for you. You know, It's not a temporary chapter
that came from It's like.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
A whole chapter. And that's why you see, like I
know people, cause it was a lot to take in.
People didn't some people from the few that I've seen,
didn't get the chance to finish the album. So they're like,
oh yeah, the album. Oh my god. It's like I
got to be in that space and it's like, no, baby,
you got to be in that space to be able
to receive it to move on to the next level.
Because the first what three songs you're in that you're

(29:16):
in that heartbreak. But then after that third song, after
after Tasha Smith coming here with the new Dick Memories,
the whole energy change felt like at that point you
had got to a point where you was like, I'm
not being sad no more imatly exactly. That's yes, That's

(29:36):
where that's where I was because again, even before it
was ever public, I was still protecting something that had
vanished a long time ago. You feel what I'm saying.
I was still holding it down and I was still
you know, doing that. So it's kind of like now
I was like, nah, like, oh, you're taking my kindness
for weakness, Like we can't, we can't do that. So
when you get to in your skin and always with Junie,

(29:58):
I'm in a whole nother space, you know what I'm saying.
And I never thought I'd be so excited to spend
seventy thousand dollars in my life, No, for real, But
it was a weight off my shoulders, you know what
I'm saying. It was like if here you go, baby,
here you go, and here you go because I'm gonna
get that back tenfold. You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
This album was also a love letter to air. Once
you get the buck, like you said, back to life,
it feels like you're giving yourself permission to love again.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Yeah, I'm giving myself a permission to love unarmored, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
But another thing, you can't just let the unarmored.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, I think that. You know, when we're guarded,
what do we guard ourselves with? We have all this gear,
we have all this army gear. We have we in
three hundred, we got the little shields and always on defense.
You feel what I'm saying. And that's not like where
I am because I'm a lover, you know what I'm saying.
I love love, So I go into things like pridely

(31:00):
and ego lists and you know, like just full of
like I do want a fairy tale, and it's like
people joke on me because real and people joke on
me because yeah. But it's like you know, people, y'all
all have watched me grow up. So I think a
lot of times people get stuck with little Tiana. You

(31:22):
know what I'm saying and not realizing that I'm not
this aggressive person that people think that I am. You
know what I'm saying, I wouldn't have been a wife
for ten years if I was that. Let's be clear,
you feel what I'm saying. So it's just like for me,
I love love, and I love to nurture and I
love to give. And as you can see with my
mom and my aunts, I've grown up around that's my

(31:42):
that's my muscle memory. I've watched the women in my
life take care of their men, protect their marriage, protect
their union, protect their tribe, protect their home. So that's
all I knew. So I don't know about pride and
ego and stuff like that. So it's just like, you know,
with me, the moment I was debting that I needed

(32:03):
that freedom to fully love again, but I knew that
when I started loving again that I wouldn't be guarded
me even trying to be tough. In the album where
I'm like she closed her heart and opened her legs,
it was just like, that's tell me you love me.
You don't have to meet it now and they can
tell me you love me. So it's like if y'all
really getting into Like what these interludes are saying. It's
telling the story of even when I tried to be guarded,
I still was a little I was a little yeah,

(32:28):
but because I don't know how to date. You know,
the majority of my career I've been married with you know, children,
I don't know how to date. So it's like all
of nothing for me. So it's like we all the
way go together. So how did that all away get there?
How did that happen? Because I know there had to
be a period of you healing first before you gave.
I mean I started the healing. I started the healing

(32:51):
before the divorce was even final. You know what I'm saying,
like that you have to start that. I knew that,
like with everything I had coming up, it was certain
things that I knew would take me out of character.
When I started biting the bait, I said, oh this
is I can't do this. I started praying more. When

(33:12):
I got heavy into my ministries is when life got heavier.
Because now your biggest enemy, you know, is the devil.
He gonna play, and he gonna play, and he gonna play.
So it was a faith walk. So I was like, okay,
let me give this another try and if this and
when I realized that, you know, you wanted me to

(33:34):
meet you at a certain level. If I'm up here
and you're trying to pull me down again, you're trying to,
like you know, like when you drowned somebody else, to
stay afloat. It's like I felt like I was in Titanic,
like I felt like I was in an asy So
you're gonna hold me down and stay afloat. I can't
do that. I can't do that. You know. I can't
do that to get up there. I don't know why,

(33:56):
but that's what I'm saying. You feel me. I did
see in a little recent video where they broke down
why they wouldn't have been able to both fit on
the thing. But let's let's forget that. Let's talk about
the iconic version of it. Baby, you let Jack drown?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Ever, why did you write them for your mom? I
feel like your mom should have been on this.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
So what I was about to get into is this
album for me. Y'all know what I've been through, even
just in the music industry, I don't. I also don't
want to stay gun hold on. It's just being strictly
about relationships. I feel like this album is like a
universal charger. It's so many things that have wronged us
and have broke our hearts. You know, probably getting into
radio for you at a younger age, it's probably difficult.

(34:34):
Motherfuckers probably shut it on, you didn't believe in you. Like,
it's a lot of things that have We've all been heartbroken,
you know what I'm saying, and we've all had to
like navigate through that. And that's what this album is
is a universal charger, and you can plug it in
and you can customize it to what you've been through.
I've been in a lot of hands that has not
protected me, you know. So it's like whether this I

(34:54):
should have been walked up this deal, I should have
been walk away from this. I should have woke with
this relationship, this friendship, whatever, this circle is, fucking group
chat whatever. There's a lot of things we feel like
we should have been walked out from a long time ago.
I should have been jump hopped out this box. You know.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
The most difficult song to do on the album and why.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Oh my oh, the most difficult song to do on
the album probably was hard part and it was and
it's so crazy because me and Brent was in the
studio and we did the hook. We did the hook,
and I left it. I never revisited it again. I

(35:32):
didn't revisit it. And then when it was time to
turn into album, they're like, yo, tee, you gotta throw
a verse on here, and I was just like, I'm
not ready. This is too much. I don't want to,
you know. And it's crazy because I wrote that verse
in like less than twenty minutes and I did it,
but then I didn't do no ad libs. So then

(35:53):
Lucky put his verse on there, and yeah, it took
me a long time to complete this song. You know,
it was very vulnus for me. Then I went in there,
and it's crazy because it was a very last song
I did before I completely lost my voice, which was
like the a libs and the runs and all that shit,
and then you know that was that it was hard,
and a lot of it was hard because in the
beginning when I did Long Time, we were dealing with

(36:15):
you know, mediation. You know, that's when it was real heavy,
you know what I'm saying. It was very heavy, and
it was very one sided with the pettiness, and it's
just like, I just want to be cool and because
of my muscle memory, we'll get into it real bad.
Then the next day I'm like, still like, what's up?
You know what I'm saying, I'm like, this is my family,

(36:36):
Like you see, even on a lot of I'm like, yo,
that's really gang Like stop playing on me.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
The hard part. You know you started off by saying
I got a few questions for you. She is getting
real confusion. Do you want this or do you don't?
So was there a period where you thought about not
going through with a divorce maybe?

Speaker 5 (36:50):
See, So the thing about it is I found for
separation and divorce a few times, but I kept I
kept withdrawing because he kept saying he wanted to fight
for his family. So if you're saying you want to
fight for your family and then you're getting caught up
in another scandal, it's like, Nigga, I got a few questions,
do you want to do it? Because the thing about
it is you're not You're not fighting, And because I'm

(37:12):
a lover, I'm like, I want through the world. I
want it. I'm thinking it's like a movie, He's gonna
fight for it. And then I realize that it's just
words that's not leaving the paper. You know, I needed
it to leave the paper. I needed the words to
become actions. Because once I decide to forgive you, I
give you a clean slate. I don't hold on to grudges.
I'm we'll hold on to a grudge. I'm as well leave.

(37:33):
So when you say I want to fight for my family,
this is what I want. I'm gonna give you an
opportunity to fight for your family. So when you're not
fighting for that, it's kind of like, okay, baby, what
what do you want to do? Because now it's just
kind of like you're hanging on to something. But then
you pillow talking like you going through something. You're not
going through nothing for real. You know what I'm saying,

(37:55):
Like you're not going through nothing for real. Life is
not bad. And it's like for you to even be
okay with people thinking that I talked to you crazy,
I treated you crazy, boom boom boom, like you would
have been you would have been dipped. Nobody was in
those shackles. I wasn't even in shackles. So it's kind
of like, but you know, in marriage, you don't just
walk away from something you know what I'm saying. You

(38:15):
got to exhaust all options. You got to put in
the work, you know, because honestly, even the court will
force you to go to counseling first and come back.
So before we even got to that, it's like okay,
let's you know. So he would try to avoid that
part and I'm like, listen, before we can move forward,
we really got to sit on a couch. You really
got to sit on a couch. He didn't want to
do that. That's when difficult. That's when an argument started,

(38:38):
Like if I would have just stayed, we would building
this relation to me and mom will still be together,
still going through all types of bullshit. I had to
really stand on business and say, listen, we either got
to sit on a couch or it's just not I
can't trust that this is going to work if we
don't get the proper help. That's not what he wanted

(39:01):
to hear. All hell broke lose.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Therapy. You gotta be will especially if you're trying to,
you know, fight for your marriage. You got to be
willing to do the work on yourself.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Never in this cycle.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
You have to.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
By the end the hard part, I felt like you
had finally got to that point where you was like,
you know what, Look, I can't do this. I'm numb
I And that's what it was for you.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
I did not go to the it was. It was
more than that. Like and you know, like I said,
I'm a private person. I'm not. I'm not going to
get into detail. But when you are trying to elevate
and you are trying to move forward and grow, you
gotta be willing to grow with me. If you're going
to be stagnant, I can't sit there and be stagnant

(39:42):
with you. You know what I'm saying, because one thing
about it is misery loves company, and I was not
willing to be the company to that misery. I was
not willing. I have work to do. We all have
work to do. You feel what I'm saying. But my
work consists of me to walk into keep moving forward.
So it's either move forward with me or I got

(40:03):
to leave you behind. It's not serving me, it is
not loving me, is not seeing you have to go
where I'm serving love.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
We spoken about this album. Yes, so hard part goes
in the back to life. You want some life. I'm
really trying not to.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
What you can said girl, because that's how it talking to.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
You go from a hard part to back to life,
and then it's like tis to kind of put the
battery in your back, like no, but.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
Sometimes you need that, you know, but sometimes, but sometimes
it's also reminding yourself of who you are. And again,
I think a lot of the songs are double entendres.
Like when I wrote wrote that with Rico Love, we
weren't thinking about, oh yeah, I'm about to go fuck
on this nigga, that's not no. I'm just saying in general,
like because honestly, Rico had to convince me to do

(40:52):
that song. Y'all know, I'm a love girl. I don't
even make songs like that. And maybe I want to
say back to life in long Time was a hard
song for me to do because I'm like, no, that's
too mean, that's too I don't like that kind of stuff,
you know what I'm saying. But then it's just like,
this is my life, what I'm going through, and He's
just like, no, like you can you can discuss your

(41:13):
life and have fun with it. So I wasn't even
thinking about you know, I hadn't even known, like I
I wasn't even like dating yet when I did long
time and back to like, but it took me a
long time to finally go back and re record them.
So a lot of songs I revisited when I actually
felt it.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
You feel what I'm saying, How do you make sure
that the trauma from that relationship you don't bring into
the new relationship because.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
It would make you guard it, like you would feel
like you have to keep.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Your eyes open because you know, at one time you
completely trusted, you completely, gave everything, you completely. This was
the guy that you made sure that was like now
he got me, but obviously it didn't. So how do
you make sure in your new relationship that you keep
your eye open or you do something?

Speaker 5 (41:57):
That's a good question. How I look at it is
like I said, you know, by the time I walked
away from my marriage, I was already on my journey,
on my heeling journey. I was already you know, holding
myself accountable to show up for myself and because I
love love, the goal was this is not working because
it must be something bigger in store for me. You

(42:18):
know what I'm saying, Like, clearly God is like okay, cool.
So this happened and you're still there, and I ain't
gonna do the work for you. Now, you got to
figure out when you're going. You know, a lot of prayer,
a lot of conversations. You get what I'm saying. So
it's like leaving. It was realizing that, you know, people
will say small things. It's the Monica Sandu up there,
I fuck you up. I'm like, wait what Yeah, it's

(42:43):
like crazy, iconic, iconic love my girl, Momo.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Got your sneakers up there because at the crib.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Okay, I got you. I'm my second sneaker about to
come out, so I got your no. But yeah, it's
like at that point one time I felt so low
that a person could just be like, oh my god,
your here looks really nice. I'm like, oh thank you,
oh my god. Yeah, because I'm a lover, like I don't.

(43:11):
I don't. I've never been a guarded person, like, never
been a guarded.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Person, sure person, at least from what you think about.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Insecure. It's when you give everything feels beautiful. Yeah, like
I know who I am, I know what I am,
but those small things, those small things mean the world.
When you're not receiving that, you get what I'm saying,
because at the end of the day, as a woman, yeah,
we know who we are. But when we love our
nigga like we love our man, like his praises means

(43:41):
the world. I got eighteen million followers that can tell
me I'm beautiful all day every day, But that's not
who I want to hear it from. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I honor my man. You know, I
serve my man. So it's a week who sees me
makeup and exactly the exactly, So imagine being like, yo,
I got my first big we rolle people gonna take
me serious? Da da da, and I'm arguing with you

(44:04):
every day. I got a five am call. No I'm not.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
I do love a long time. When you say you're
out here stressing your blessing, that's a powerful line like
don't scratch, don't be stretching your blessing.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, you know, like because they don't have to be
that way, you know what I'm saying, And we could
still very much be cool. Like you know, there's been
times were like y'all about to go for this job.
I'm like, you got this we claiming this shit, Like
I'm I don't know if people get upset with how
quickly you're able to still have love for them. It's
like people hate that. It's like, bitch, what you mean?

(44:38):
So fuck that? Now it's I don't lie. It's just
like I've never had smoke or beef with Eman, never, never,
Like the divorce would have never even been out if
he didn't foul the motion to use our full and
legal names. Remember we were separated for a whole year,
so the divorce was quiet for a whole year until
he did that, which he did that on Thanksgiving. You

(45:00):
feel what I'm saying. So it's like again the pattern
of just like it's too much and it's maniputive, and
it's not cool because you got me out here looking crazy,
like when I took you for everything, And now this
new thing is, oh she got caught up in the loss.
Now she pays seventy I'm not paying nobody. That was
all technicality. I did the live. The consequence is like,
clearly I'm aware of what can possibly happen, but I'm

(45:23):
gonna pay that to speak the truth. It's bigger than
just oh, speak my truth. I'm gonna pay that to
speak the truth. I want my peace and I want
to be left alone. And then hopefully after this is paid,
nothing else comes out. So my new movie come out,
my new Jordan come out. We won't have this problem again,
right because if we do, then we know exactly what's
going on after today. I'm never speaking on this again.

(45:47):
I don't care what rumor he put out. I don't
care what rumor anybody put out. I'm never speaking on
this again. So if I don't respond, consider me in
my Beyonce bag. Your silence is golden and I'm gonna
keep it. Put shit. But yeah, that was a heavy
one to take, especially within a lot of business that
I am. You know, these divorces are very ugly and
I don't want to be on set with no producer director.

(46:07):
That's like because my wife did this, dude, and no,
I don't want her in this role. I'm telling you
it's it's a dirty game.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
If somebody considering you for a role, they'll be like,
what she did?

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Bad headlines gonna come, not even just headlines if you
sign her on. Look and say, if a director wanted
me to do a movie and he went through a
nasty divorce and he like his wife took everything. It's like, oh, nah,
she one of those I can't want some man power
ship and it's just like, now I'm getting punished with
some ship that I didn't even do. So as a
business woman, it's like, nah, I'm not I'm not rolling
with that because seventy thousand dollars I can make that.

(46:39):
I can make that back on the Instagram post. You
feel what I'm saying. No, but I'm trying to. I'm
just I'm just trying to find the smallest thing because
I can't say I can get that in a brand
deal because that's the way my brand deals is insane. Yeah,

(47:00):
but it's insane. Would be evidence but one thing I
want to But I mean that's literally like and that,
like I said, Instagram, that's like a story post. You
fee what I'm saying. So I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
that's the best little money I ever spent. I like that.
What is This is my my last question on that topic.
How is cold parenting? I mean cold parenting it's a

(47:26):
little tough because when things are going too good and
then someone make that go real bad, and it's just
like I said, it's like, I don't know why we
don't want to be nice, like I don't want no smoke.
You feel what I'm saying. So it's just like I mean,

(47:46):
now I have it to where like it's literally just
on a talking parent app. It controls your tone, it
controls whatever it is. And honestly, at this point, if
it hasn't, if it don't have anything to do with
the kids, we don't have nothing to talk about. You
feel what I'm saying. I always to you Mom, I'm like, yo,
I'm doing Junior's birthday. I'm doing rouse birthday. Would you

(48:07):
like to for us to do it together? But boom boom,
and he'd be like, nah, I'm good. I don't want
to be that's fine. Like I don't entertain the shots
that are being thrown at me. I don't entertain, and
that okay, cool, here's the invite, here's the acts. If
you want to pop in cool, that's up to you.
Whatever you want to do, you know what I'm saying,
Like the baby girls got activities, sports, you be practices,

(48:30):
you know, like I'm not. I'm not tripping. And even
to this day, like if he was like, yo, tea,
I want us to really stop being silly and like
let's really try and like healthily co parent. I would
absolutely be down. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Why I got a couple of questions, Why why are
roles is so significant to your story? You got the
song better roses? You got a Rolls tattoo on your neck?

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Like what about?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:54):
I mean I always say, you know them winds hit
different when you rose out the concrete. You know, and
be able to hear a rose rise of the concrete
is amazing and just the thorns and everything it's been through.
But I also feel like the thorns and the vines
is your tribe and the love that you're surrounded by.
You know what I'm saying, There's so much, so many
moving parts. We see the rose and it's so beautiful,

(49:15):
but then it's like, what's keeping this rose alive? It's
the vines and you know, the thorns ready to grow
out new ones. So it's like it's always been special
to me, especially as I gotten older and really did
my research because you know, an album number one, album seven.
I used to hate roses because I wasn't mature enough.
I didn't I didn't understand what it felt like to
receive roses in a real way, you know, so like

(49:37):
really receiving them and understanding them. It's like, oh my god,
just named my daughter after the Rose. It was just like,
you know, to become a woman and to blossom, you know,
is what really made me like get into it really
really heavy.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
I saw you say in an interview that what you
were going through before you retire it felt like punishment,
But now it feels.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Like it was the by timing. It was preparation. Wasn't punishment.
It was preparation for what was already written. Yeah, and
even through that, like dealing dealing with retiring and all
of those different things. I was dealing with a lot,
you know, postpartum you know, but also think that circumstances too,

(50:20):
because what got me out of retirement, you know what
I'm saying. I came back on my own terms, and
I came back happy, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like, what if I was in a space where
I was still stagnant in a certain space, I would
probably still be retired right now. You feel what I'm saying, Like,
because yeah, it's just that's just what it would be.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
You know what. This is why I love art because
I don't feel like you'd be able to have this
conversation without this album and without this short film album,
to be able to come up here and have.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
This conversation, absolutely, And you know that's what it was
for me, And that's why I kept telling Natina and
the mother of that label too, I'm like, listen, because
they begged for the album and I was like, listen,
this album is a soundtrack.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
Is one of the only people up there that cares
about it?

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, like she already know.
I know that. So for me, it's just like it's
more of a this album is the soundtrack, this visual,
this this this cinema that was always gonna happen. And
that's why I told them, like, I'm not willing to compromise.
You know, my narrations or my indus is my story.

(51:23):
This is like a fucking audio album, audio book, whatever
you want to call it. You never thought about or
have you and you probably have thought about doing that
on Broadway. It's so you know, it's crazy. I almost
I almost made a post today, but I'm like, let me,
let me find the right things to do that. But
you know, I also said a minute ago that my

(51:43):
dream was to turn my concerts into Broadway plays where
I wanted my dancers mic, I wanted my my band
MIC like I wanted everybody MIC and turned it into
a thing, which is the reason why we did this,
because I'm like, I see the bigger things for this.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
You know, got a lion king.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
It. But I'm proud of you're doing good. He's trying,
He's he's really trying. He's trying. I say, I said,
don't bring up the line, king, Can we play some
music please? No? But no, this Broadway thing is a

(52:22):
real thing. Because I'm actually happy that I didn't post
it on my story because I feel like this is
way better to actually talk about it. But yeah, I
definitely want to turn it into a Broadway play and
you know, even eventually like a real like long form
movie or like a show, because I love that it's like,
you know, post apocalyptic and you know, it has like
a little theme to it. So I'm interested to see
the character of fire Girl, the character of Gray lea greathouse.

(52:45):
Like you notice, I've created these characters that are unforgettable
even for when I go on tour. I'm gonna line
it up kind of like a Broadway where I'm going
to perform the album in order you feel what I'm saying.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be sick. You're in Chicago.
He had done you know period but look and uh
and the the your movie right was were you in Harlem?

(53:07):
When you were in the ray and you were on fire?
You was the had No, that was actually act. Was
that Warner Warner Brothers. Yeah, it was a lot, but
it was Warner Brothers of Universe. It was Warner brother
I think it was Warner Brothers. He was he was
on a live So it wasn't supposed to be like
set in like Harlem bas like where you're from. It
was just no, it was just yeah, it was just
a set because we had to do everything in la

(53:29):
and that was that was you know, where a majority
and my budget went. I'm like, I'd rather give the
world a movie than be trying to do you know,
everything else. And it's really made people taking the album
completely different. Like I'm seeing videos on TikTok like women
just crying and just thinking me and all like all
types of stuff. You know, that just feels amazing because
this is the most love I've gotten the music and

(53:51):
a lot out of all my projects, which.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
You know every time though, you know what's crazy.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Because as many plaque as I got, it's so funny
how like still how like people still underappreciate thought like
they're appreciating it now, but you know, people never really
used to give me a chance when I dropped music,
got it for a time, like all of this that
you're doing right now, this has always been what you
use storytell. But now people I don't know why now
people are paying more attention. Maybe because you know everything's

(54:18):
out there. I think no, but don't even think because
of the bullshit. I think people's paying more attention because
taking that step back and helping everybody else was like,
all we got to see what she would do for herself.
She's doing this for Tom Dick and Harry Bingch. What's
she doing for herself? And yeah, I think I have
This is the most vulnerable work. You feel what I'm saying,
and it's it's very prideless and ego lists. You feel

(54:42):
what I'm saying again to be able to share that
and be so vulnerable. But again it's the creativity too,
and how you speak it because even once you listen
to the album. You see I'm still opening up dialogue
to create a safe space for men in general, Like
this could be the safest space. You just got to
be yo, like, fuck your pride, fuck you, Like, it's

(55:03):
not about pointing fingers. In the beginning, you just hear
women that's tired.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
No, it's one somewhere She's literally like, maybe you deserve this,
you need this.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
I'm destination. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
But once the poom poom jumping on once another man
making the poom poom jump, I don't know if I'm
be able to still be fighting for anything.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
No, no, but poom poom jump was poom poom jump
was later on. At this point. By the time we
get the poom poom jump, I was already like another chapter.
I was in a whole nother Yeah, I was in
a whole another chapter. We had left that once she said,
fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that's when you knew
it was done. It was nothing. The hard part was
over with at that point.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Let me about the movie. Right. In the movie, you're
you're kind of pleading to be loved back to life,
right and wishing your partner didn't give up on you.
So is that about your marriaginized that about the new
book because the new Boom might be like, look, man,
you got to get over that and then I'll be
I'll be here for you.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
So in the movie it shows me. So you see,
after a long time, I I've I've run for so
long to where I've jumped to my death mentally and emotionally.
And as you see I land in a red dress,
which was supposed to be in that blood, you feel
that little red swirl was like you know in a

(56:15):
verse you see I say, where a bo fighting yo demon?
It's too many dark days, no peace up in here.
That wasn't about the new situation. That was like you
said that you would love me into but I guess
love must just be a lit Why didn't you love
me back to life? I was dying, nigga, You said
that you dieing me, but you won't even fight. That
had nothing to do with the new nigga.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
He's the one that's loving you back to life in
the movie.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Basically, Yeah, but him loving me back to life, that
that hook wasn't toward him. You know what I'm saying.
This is him. I'm a crime scene right now. This
is him picking me up from the crime scene. That's
what takes me on to new dig memories is what
I need. So it could also be.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Whole morning gag, but it.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Is also like again like I said, everything's a double
on tan. Yeah, so the parts of it, because I've
listened to songs where I'm like, this part resonates so well,
but then his next part is a little shady. I
don't want you to see that part. I want you to
see this part. So saying love me back to life
could absolutely apply to him, but the other parts don't
apply to him.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
Because after that, like even in their EASA's second skit,
you turn into like a little kid in the candy
store again, like she's like, let's just get on, and
then you put you at Mona on one of the songs,
so now you're not running from I think I might
be in love in this because now it's kind of
like we're both in this in this space where it's
like it wasn't on our being go cards, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Supposed to to be this. I mean, the energy was
always there, but when you are fresh out of something
and you are in that space, you're not thinking about
like jumping to the next person. You know what I'm saying. However, again,
you know, like Kerry Washington said, like two souls still
learning how to love without armor. You know what I'm saying.
It's just like we're just gonna go for it and

(57:59):
figure it out as we go, and it's all about
feeling safe. And once you out of survival mode, that
shit just hit different. It's like, I'm big on my
mind being occupied, which is the reason why I was
able to stay afloat within the industry because it's like, Okay, cool,
I'm not gonna be singing. I could be doing this.
I do everything. I do everything, and that's how I
am in love too. So I'm if I'm occupied mentally,

(58:21):
emotionally and I feel safe, I instantly melt into your arm.
So that's what I've been yearning for. When you're yearning
for something, you're never gonna be guarded because you're yearning
for that safety, especially because I haven't had it with
it even within the industry like that.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
So who told you that fly ship when they was
like you said, you feel safe with Aaron because he
handles you with gentle care and you use the whole water.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
That was all me. I ain't gonna front. I'll be
having bars. I was. I was talking to I was
talking to Joe, and I was like, Yo, we gotta
wear the same colored jersey. Whoever. He's like, who gave you?
That's like, nah, chill, I'll be really I'll be spitting,
spitt it. I'd be, I really be spitting. And I
think that that's why I am a great lover because

(59:05):
I understand what it needs to be. I understand that
we're not opponent. To understand that we were the same
color jersey. I understand that you don't have to talk
at me, you can just talk to me. I'm all
big on how you handle me. That's really big for
me because that's where I do it for like I
become a baby, you know. And it's kind of just
like if I know we on the same team, then
there's nothing. It's nothing to argue, it's nothing to combat,

(59:27):
it's nothing to I don't have to talk to you,
crazy would I'm too much of an impact to be like,
oh he was so sweet, and I just decided to
just still turn up and curse the nigga out. Like
if I'm screaming, yelling and hollering, it's well deserved, Like Nigga,
you don't push me to that point to do that.
I don't have to do that in this situation because
I feel so safe, and I think safety is what

(59:47):
I've been yearning more than anything. And I'm not seeking perfection.
I'm not seeking perfect because that would be conditional, you know,
and I'm an unconditional lover. I seek just under standing
at we wear the same color jersey and that we're
on the same team, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
And the only thing I've always said this about you,
people have you haven't even I still don't think you
scratched the surface. Like I think that one day we're
gonna look up and be like, God, Damniana just directed
that movie that made three hundred million dollars, Like I
really see that for you, Like you are a visionary
and a whole lot of different ways.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Just keep going so much, make things uh work that
I never thought could work, because I never thought I
would hear Tyler on the song with Jill Scott never.
I never thought before.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Less I was just talking. Yeah, but like.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
I hear talking right When when you hear the song
about Tyler, you think like upbeat, the three little ass pumps,
boom bom bom, and it was like it was a
vibe that's not I could smoke a blunt and let
him say this, but I think that that's like the
direct me. You know what I'm saying, Like I could
see the aesthetic of something to understand and the two

(01:01:04):
voices together, you feel what I'm saying, understanding where Jill coming,
Like I had the whole vision. This is what I need.
This is what I said, Jill, I need you, I
need you to talk that breakfast lunch dinner ship that
she came with her her spoken word killed that. You
know what I'm saying, Like she she wrote to herself,
I just gave her guidance or what I wanted it
to be talked about. I'm like, girl, I wanted breakfast

(01:01:25):
lunch that I need and Jill just came and bited it.
You know what I'm saying. He raised another one. I
just like you could tell which one was like freestyle.
So like the big ones are the ones like the
actual like monologues are the ones that me and Coco wrote,
but like Easa Tasha like the more freestyle ones was
more so the ones of like me just giving them
guidance and saying, hey, like this could this could be

(01:01:48):
a safe space like that. Those took conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
You feel what I'm saying, Smith whispering, Hell, nobody know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
We're talking about the beach yafinite way to get over
one niggas to get another one. Yeah, she definitely was.
That was the soft as I heard her talk. But
it's just like those other ones were important. And it's
crazy because it was very intentional too. When I wrote
that last poem for Regina, I knew that it was
for Regina, You feel what I'm saying. When I wrote

(01:02:22):
the one for Carrie, I knew that was for Carrie.
Sarah Polson, I knew that was for Sarah Polsting like
I knew what I wanted it to be like this,
This tour is going to be so crazy. It's gonna
be so crazy. Yeah, so I'm excited maybe my voice
to make it on to the next album I got
you. You know I'm doing a deluxe. It's getting crazy. You said,

(01:02:45):
you know we woke got deep voices.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
I like, yeah, I don't be talking No, I think
I think just gonna be like, yo, did I make
this poom poom jump The.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Jumping what you want to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Well, since we keep talking about poop Pom jumps and
we go to Poop Hard Part, caoth that that that
album Hard Part with her and Lucky Day that reminds
me of like a Brandy like something like the Little
Runs with the It just gives me a bag in
the day, Brandy. Feel like that's so fired to me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Let's get into it. Yeah, we appreciate you for joining us. Taylor,
thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I wouldn't even fainy tithing because I feel like she's
doing sound like they'll thank you. Album is out right now,
Escape Room. Make sure you get it, make sure you
download it, makes sure you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Streaming on YouTube and Amazon Prime already.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's The Breakfast Club.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Good Morning, every day. Click up The Breakfast Club.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Do You're finisher yachdun